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>> I'M CALLING TO ORDER THE LAND SPECIAL STUDIES MEETING FOR TONE
[a. Ordinance Z-673-22 ]
HAVE ONE ITEM ON OUR AGENDA ANDS ORDINANCE Z673-22. AN OR DA NAE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CL INDIANA REZONING 220 SECOND STRW INTEREST R-TWO RESIDENTIAL TO BS SPONSOR COUNSELOR RIDER.I WANT TO MENTION RIDER IS HERER REPRESENTATIVE ON THE PLAN MISSD VOTING MEMBERS OF THE LAND USE E IN ADDITION TO MYSELF ARE COUNS, GREEN, NELSON AND AASEN AND COUR HANNAH HAS JOINED US THIS EVENIT FOR FUN. NOTHING ELSE GOING ON SO THIS IS KNOWN AS THE GOAT REE BECAUSE THERE WAYS LOT OF CONFUG CON STIT YOU ANTS WHEN THEY SAWN THE AGENDA FOR OUR MEETING LASTM GOING TO ALLOW UP TO THREE MINUC COMMENT FROM EACH PERSON WHO WOO SPEAK. SO LATER IN THE MEETINGL CALL FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO SPEAO APPROACH THE MICROPHONE. AND W, I'LL ASK MR. PAG GA NELLIE TO CD PRESENT ABOUT THE REZONE.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH MADAM CHI PLEASE CIRCULATE HAND OUTS TO EE
MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE? >> YES.
>> SURE. IF I HAVE TOO MANY. >> GOOD EVENING MEMBERS OF THE AGAIN, MY NAME IS TONY PAG GA N. TOGETHER WITH TOM PERKINS.
>> AND WE REPRESENT HAWKINS LLCD THE 22 SECOND STREET SOUTHWEST D TOWN DISTRICT IN CARMEL. FOR TZ WHO ARE PRESENT AT THE CITY COUL MEETING LAST MONDAY, MY PRENS EN TONIGHT WILL BE FAIRLY REPETITII APOLOGIZE FOR THAT BUT I WILL TE IT BREECH BREACH.
AS YOU SEE IN THE HAND JOWTS THR CUE LAITD. THE PARCEL IS LOCATD ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE MONTH NN WAY MONON GREEN WAY JUST SOUTH E STREET. AND THE CITY COUNCIL ACTING THRS COMMITTEE APPROVE A REQUEST TO E REAL ESTATE IN QUESTION FROM R-.
OUR PETITION COMES TO THE COUNCO THIS COMMITTEE FROM THE CARMEL N COMMISSION AND I'M PLEASED TO RT THE PLAN COMMISSION APPROVED OUG PETITION UNANIMOUSLY BY A 70 VOE MEETING ON DECEMBER 21 FOLLOWINR OF NEGOTIATIONS OF COMMITMENTS T PROPERTY OWNERS AS WELL AS A NUF ARCHITECTURAL IMPROVEMENTS TO TG BUILDING THAT I'LL DISCUSS NAY D SHOW THE RENDER GZ OF HOW THEY K WHEN COMPLETED. AS A THRESHOLDI MENTIONED IT BEFORE BUT IT BEARS REPEATING. WE'RE VERY GRATEFULE DEPARTMENT STAFF AND WE'RE LARLL FOR THE AMOUNT OF TIME THEY SPES IN REACHING A PLAN THAT WORKED R THE CITY'S INTEREST AND MY CLIES INTEREST. I'M ALSO VERY GRATEFS MR. RIERD KNOWS TO MEMBERS OF TN COMMISSION FOR ROLLING UP THEIRS AND LITERALLY WORKING WITH US IG I'VE NEVER DONE BEFORE IN NEGOTD DOCUMENTING THE COMMIT MENTS OND IN PEN ON PAPER IN ORDER TO RESE ISSUES AT THE CITY COUNCIL MEEDN
DECEMBER. >> THE COMMISSION'S UNANIMOUS AD THE COMMITMENT AND ARCHITECTURAL IMPROVEMENTS ARE PARTICULARLY IT BECAUSE I THINK EVERYONE IN THES WE ARRIVED HERE THROUGH AN UNUS.
THE GOAT TAVERN HAS BEEN THE SUA LOT OF MEDIA INTEREST AND COMMUY INTEREST. I HOPE THAT WE HAVE D THE COMMUNITY'S CONCERN. I KNOE ADDRESSED THE PLAN COMMISSION CD MOST IMPORTANTLY I HOPE WE A DRS COMMITTEE'S CONCERN AND CITY COS CONCERN IN HOPES OF REZONING THY SO THAT THE GOAT TAVERN WHICH HN CLOSED NOW FOR NEARLY A YEAR CAS
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SOON AS POSSIBLE. AS I'M SURE EVERYONE IS AWARE, T TAVERN IS SIT TIEW AITD ON THE E PROPERTY THAT USED TO BE BUB'S A BREAKFAST CAFE. IN 2020, THAT R THE CITY ALOUD GOAT OPEN BASED E VARIANCE PUT IN PLACE BY THE PRS OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY ALLOWINGO OPERATE BUBS BREAKFAST CAFE ON E RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.THE GOAT WAS FORCED TO CLOSE LAL WHEN AN AGREEMENT QUO COULD NOTD ON EXEND TENGD THAT USE VARIANCY REMARKS THIS EVENING I WOULD LIS ON WHY WE BELIEVE B-2 REZONING S APPROPRIATE FOR THIS PROPERTY, S CONSISTENT WITH THE DEVELOPMENTS ALREADY WAY IN THE MID COWN TOWT IN GENERAL AND MONON GREEN WAY N PARTICULAR AND WHY MY CLIENT'S C USE OF THIS PROPERTY IS PERFECTY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE CITY IO DO IN THE MID TOWN DISTRICT ANDE MONON GREEN WAY.
OUR PETITION IS ACTUALLY THE SEE IN 18 MONTHS THAT THIS PROPERTYN THE SUBJECT OF A REZONING PETITN INTENDED TO AH LOT GOAT TO OPERS SITE. IN THE FALL OF 2020, THEY ITSELF FILED A C-2 REZONING PETS INDICATED ON THE NEXT PAGE OF YT TO REZONE BOTH THE GOAT'S PROPED IT'S MAYBE TO THE NORTH, HISTORL SOCIETY PROPERTY BOTH TO C-2. O PROPERTIES ARE INDICATED ON THI. THE GOAT REMAINS IN YELLOW AS AN R-2 PROPERTY BUT C-2 PROPERTY OE HISTORICAL SOCIETY IS REFLECTEDE ALONG WITH VIRTUALLY ALL THE OTR PROPERTY INDICATED ON THE DIAGR.
THE C-2 POSITION THAT WAS ORIGID ON BEHALF OF BOTH PARCELS WAS WS IT RELATED TO THE GOAT AND WENTN BEHALF OF THE HISTORICAL SOCIET.
THE QUESTION OUR PETITION PRESEE CITY COUNCIL AND THE COMMITTEE T DOES THE CITY WANT THIS PARTICUE OF LAND TO BE USED FOR?
>> WE BELIEVE WE KNOW THE ANSWEE THE CITY HAS ALREADY TOLD US BOS INITIAL PETITION TO REZONE THISY FOR C-2 BUT ALSO IN STATEMENTS S ACTIONS WITH RESPECT TO ALL OF R NEIGHBORS TO BOTH THE NORTH ANDE SOUTH AND ACROSS THE MONON GREEO OUR EAST.
PARTICULARLY WHEN THE CITY FILEE C-2 REZONING PETITION ON BEHALFE ORIGINALLY THE GOAT AND BEHALF R NEIGHBOR OF THE HISTORICAL SOCIE PLAN COMMISSION'S OWN DEPARTMENT RECOMMENDED ZONING THIS PROPERTO C-2 WHICH OF COURSE IS A STATUSY THE CITY ITSELF CAN EFFECTUATE.
AND WHEN THE DEPARTMENT CONSIDEQ THE DEPARTMENT'S OWN DETERMINATS INDICATED ON THIS SLIDE IN IT'S DECEMBER 15TH, 2020 DEPARTMENT .
AS THE DEPARTMENT INDICATED BACE REZONING OF THIS PROPERTY IS CAN CONSISTENT WITH PREVIOUS PLANNID ZONING ACTIONS MADE ON BEHALF, E BY THE PLAN COMMISSION AND CITYL WHICH SUMS THE DEVELOPMENT OF TN GROWN WAY IN THIS PART OF CITY. IN PARTICULAR THE SAME REPORT IN THE NEXT SLIDE WITH RESPECT TO E MINUTES FROM THAT MEETING. MR.L HALL A BAW INDICATED THE GOAT PY WHITE USE VAIR YANGS THAT WAS IT THE TIME AS MR. HALL ENBAW INDIS MORE TRAN TRANSITIONAL BUT PERM.
AND THE CITY INDICATED IT'S INDO REZONE IT'S PROPERTY IN PARTICUL AS OTHER PROPERTIES IN GENERAL E PROPERTY TO BE A COMMERCIAL USER THAN A RESIDENTIAL USE. AND AGG BACK AT THE SAME AREA THAT'S CO, THE GOAT PROPERTY INSIDE THE RES THE ONLY PIECE OF PROPERTY IN MN ALONG THE MONON GROWN WAY THAT T EITHER RED AS A PLANNED UNIT DET OR BLUE AS SOME SORT OF COMMERCD PROPERTY.
>> AS A MENTIONED EARLIER AS PAE PROCESS THAT GOT US HERE, MY CLS AGREED TO A NUMBER OF COMMIT MET THROUGH DISCUSSIONS WITH DOCS AT WITH DIRECT NA GO SHE WAITIONZ N COMMISSION BACK IN DECEMBER. WY THOSE AND MY CLIENT IS HAPPY TOL OF THOSE IF THE REZONING PETITIS APPROVED AND IF THE GOAT IS ALLO REOPEN. MORE COMMIT MENTS INDIE ON THE SECOND PAGE REO PRODUCEDR PACKET.
IN ADDITION TO OPERATING COULD S TO SATISFY THE CONCERNS BONCH TD THE NEIGHBOR WHO'S EXPRESSED PR, EXCUSE ME WHO EXPRESSED COMPLAIN THE IT OPENED IN DECEMBER 2020.T HAS WORKED WITH STUDIO ARCHITECR AND THE COLLEAGUES AT DOCS FOR L IMPROVEMENTS.
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A FEW MOMENTS AGO I SHOWED YOU O OF THE GOAT. THE FIEWT.>>. >> THE FUTURE GOAT IF ALLOWED TN WOULD LOOK INTEREST C- BLI DIFF. THE PLAN INDICATES IN PARTICULAY OF OUTDOOR SNAISES CAUSE CONCERE WOULD NOWB ENCLOSED AND ONE CONT INSUFFICIENT ON SITE RESTROOMS G ADDRESSED IN THE FAR NORTHWEST F THE PROPERTY. THE FLOOR PLAN INDICATES A LARGF IN DOOR RESTROOMS THAT HAVE BEE IF WE EXEXTRAP PA LATE FROM THEN WE CAN SEE A 3D CONSIDERATION AG FOR INDOOR USE RATHER THAN OUTDN CLOSING A NUMBER OF THE SPACES T NOISE, TO KEEP PATRONS INSIDE OE PROPERTY AND TO CONTROL TRAFFICN AND OUT OF THE PROPERTY IN HOPEF ALLEVIATING ANY NOITS NOISE OR R CONCERNS. IF WE GO FROM THE 3DN TO THE COMPUTER GENERATED RENDEE CAN SEE THAT THE DESIGN IMPROVET ONLY ADDRESS NOISE CONCERNS BUTE ATTRACTIVE AND A YOU LOT PROPERT IN WELL WITH THE ESTHETICS OF NG PROPERTIES ALONG THE MONON GREE THIS VIEW HERE CORE FOR EXAMPLEM THE GREEN WAY ITSELF SHOWING HOW ATTRACTIVE THE PROPERTY WOULD BD SHOWING SPECIFICALLY HOW THE PRS OUTDOOR AREA WOULD BE ENCLOSED.L COLLUSION OF MEMBERS OF THE COME BELIEVE THAT OVER THE COURSE OFT YEAR MY CLIENT HAS TAKEN THE STS NECESSARY TO ALLOW THE CITY COUO ALLOW THIS COMMITTEE IN PARTICUE SATISFIED THAT REZONING THIS PRM R2 TO B-2 AND ALLOWING THE GOATN WITH THE NUMEROUS CONSIDERATIONS COMMIT MENTS AND ARCHITECTURAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE COMMITTED D BE CONSISTENT WITH THE DEVELOPMS THAT THE CITY HAS FOR MID TOWN L AND MON MONON GREEN WAY YEAH&WET IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY'S SD INTENT FOR THAT AREA AND WE ASKR APPROVAL AND RECOMMENDATION FROS COMMITTEE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>>> BEFORE I GET TO COMMITTEE Q, IS YOUR CLIENT HERE TONIGHT?
>> HE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE HERE. T SURE WHERE HE S. AS OF THIS AFTE WAS GOING TO BE HERE. HE HAS BT EVERY OTHER MEETING. I DON'T KE
HE IS RIGHT NOW. >> SO ARE YOU ABLE TO ACT ON HIF THERE ARE CHANGE THAT'S NEED TOD TO?
>> IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THEY ARE.E CERTAIN LIMIT AUTHORITY. WE'REO
FIND OUT YES IS DELAYED. >> OKAY. ONE MORE THING, COULDO BACK TO THE RENDER GZ AND SHOW E ENTRANCES ARE TO THE BUILDING.
>> CERTAINLY. ON THIS RENDERINE ON THE LEFT CORNER HERE, MORE VN THE OTHER RENDERING. YOU CAN S, MAIN ENTRANCE HERE AND NEN THENK AT FLOOR PLAN, IT'S CLEARER. OD RENDERING, YOU CAN SEE AN ENTRAE AND AN ENTRANCE HERE. AND THENU WANT TO GO BACK EVEN FARTHER TOE
ELEVATION, YOU CAN SEE THEM HER. >> COMIS EERKS COMIS EE, COUNSE.
>> MR. PAGANELI. COULD YOU GO O THIS SLIDE?
>> YES. >> THANK YOU WHEN YOU LOOK AT II UNDERSTAND KIND OF THE USE OF TE PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, SOME TYPE OA COMMERCIAL SOME TYPE OF AN ES SB BLISH MENT. SOME OF THE CONCERM NOT ACTUALLY BEING ON THE PLANNG COMMISSION WHICH IS IT'S OWN GOG BODY BUT HOW SOMEWHAT DIFFERENCE MIND OR YOU KNOW DISAGREEMENTS T THAT PROPERTY SHOULD BE, HOW ITE USED AND THEN SUDDENLY LIKE YOUD DECEMBER 21 AT THE PLANNING COMN MEETING, HIGHLY UNUSUAL PROCESSF PEN TO PAPER, SO I HAVE QUESTIOT KIND OF WHAT THE NORMAL PROCESST THAT LEECHES A LOT OF PEOPLE BEG CONCERNED THAT THINGS WERE MADEE FLOOR FLY. THERE WASN'T A TRUEF THE MINDS ON WHAT THAT LANGUAGES THE LANGUAGE TOO AMBIGUOUS SOY F QUESTIONS ABOUT SOME OF THE COMS
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HERE ON THE PAGE. >> CERTAINLY.
>> THE FIRST IS AND IT'S SOMETHT ALL OF US HAVE BEEN GETTING E-MT OR SOME E-MAILS ABOUT. THE ALCL SERVICE ENDING AT MIDNIGHT. NOI CAN ASK OTHER PEOPLE. I DON'T T YOU KNOW.
>> DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE STATE LD THE GENERAL PROCESS FOR BARS ONY NEED TO STOP SERVING ALCOHOL ANY NEED TO GET PEOPLE OUT THE DOOR?
WHAT THE TIMELINE IS. >> BY NO MEANS AM I AN ALCOHOL T 3:00 A.M. IS WHEN LAST CALL SERO STOP AND SOME TIME THERE AFTER E AS LATE AS 4:00 BUT I'M NOT OFFN UPON ON THAT IS WHEN PATRONS MUE
THE ESTABLISHMENT. >> JOHN, DO YOU KNOW BY CHANCE?
>> GOOD EVENING. COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
JOHN. AGREE WITH MR. PAGANELI,N ALCOHOL EXPERT BUT THAT DOES SOT
AS FAR AS THE HOURS. >> AND I CAN RESEARCH THAT.
COUNSELOR RIDER. >> THEY EXSIZE ALWAYS TOLD US F3 YEARS AGO, YOU BE CAN SERVE UNT, NOTHING CAN BE SERVED AFTER 3:0T 3:30, HAVE YOU TO CLEAR THE BAR. SO A 30 MINUTE WINDOW.
WHICH WAS ALWAYS ENFORCED. EVERYTHING HAS TO BE GONE BY 3:.
>> THAT'S ONE DIFFERENCE. I UNO IT'S MIDNIGHT BUT IS 1:00 SEEMS.
>> SOMEWHAT UNUSUAL, KIND OF A T TYPE OF PRACTICE FROM WHAT NORMS PLACE THE DISCUSSION THROUGH OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH THE PLAN COMN WERE A COMMITMENT THAT THE GOATD CEASE SER SERVING ALCOHOLIC BEVT MIDNIGHT AND CLOSE AT 1:00. YES, CONSIDERABLY EARLIER THAN R
NEIGHBORS ARE CLOSING. >> AS A GROUP, I WOULD LIKE TO S
THAT. >> ARE YOU MOVING ON TO ANOTHER?
>> HOLD THAT FOR A MOMENT. COUR NELSON HAS A QUESTION ABOUT WHAE
DISCUSSIONING. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
JUST TO TIE IN TO WHAT YOU WEREG ABOUT COUNSELOR GREEN, THE SUN G BREWERY ACROSS THE STREET AND TD ALE, WHAT TIME DO THEY STOP SERD WHAT TIME DO THEY CLOSE? IS IT COULD BE CYST TANT WITH WE OWNER OF THE GOAT IS COMMITTINGS WELL.
>> MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WE'E COMMITTING TO STOP SERVING AND T
LEAST AN HOUR BEFORE OUR NEIGHB. >> THANK YOU.
>> COUNSELOR GREEN. >> ALL RIGHT, ANOTHER QUESTION,T GO INTO ANOTHER TOPIC. WELL, GK TO THAT, OH, THIS IS THE KING HT
>> DURING THE WEEK DAYS. >> OKAY. ALL RIGHT.
>> SORRY, WHAT IS THAT? >> 9:00.
>> AND ON WEEKENDS. >> AND ON WEEKENDS.
>> I WASN'T REFERRING TO KING IN PARTICULAR. A NUMBER OF BARS I DON'T KNOW THE SPECIFIC A HOURSW FROM THE DISCUSSIONS AT THE PLAN COMMISSION MEETING THAT WE WEREO COMMIT TO CLOSING EARLIER THAN R NEIGHBORING BARS AND WE AGREED . ALL RIGHT. IF WE CAN'T GET CLAN TONIGHT. I WOULD LIKE BY THE TIME IT GETY COUNCIL BECAUSE I THINK IT SHOUE CONSISTENT WITH THE OTHER PLACEL ALCOHOL ALONG THAT STRIP BECAUSI UNDERSTAND THE STRIRNTION EVERYS COMMERCIAL. IT'S GOING THAT WA. THE LOCATION MAKES SENSE, IT'S E LIMITATIONS, THE REASONABLE LIMZ NEED TO PUT ON IT FOR THOSE RESL
PEOPLE IN THAT SPECIFIC AREA. >> ANOTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS WD TO THE NEIGHBOR, NEIGHBORHOOD. HOLD ON THAT FOR JUST A MOMENT.
>> OKAY. >> I JUST WANT TO SAY BECAUSE WK IT UP AND WE CAN KNOW RIGHT NOWE HOURS ARE. FORK AND ALE IS OPEH 11:00 P.M. AND ON WEEK DAYS ANDY AND SATURDAY THEY CLOSE AT 1:00.
>> I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT NOW E CAN LOOK TUP AND YOU CAN TELL MU
NEED MORE THINGS LOOKED UP. >> WE'LL STAY ON THIS TOPIC. TR ESTABLISHMENTS THAT THE OWNER OT HAS GENERALLY, WHAT ARE THEIR CG TIMES AND HOW, AND WHAT ARE THOS BETWEEN SERVING ALCOHOL AND HAVG
EVERYBODY OUT THE DOOR? >> I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO TT
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QUESTION BUT I CAN PROBABLY HAVN FIVE MINUTES. IN PARTICULAR DAY BEER WORKS IS THE PRIMARY OTHERY OWNED BY MR. FALL. I DON'T KNON FIND OUT VERY QUICKLY. THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL BECAUSE TO IN A RESIDENTIAL VILLAGE, WEST D ALONG THE SAME LINES, I REMEMBER HEARING THAT THERE IS KIND OF, E OF A HOT LINE FOR DANNY BOY SO E NEIGHBORS IN THAT AREA THINK ITD TONIGHT OR THERE'S A WAY THEY C IS THAT SIMILAR TO THAT LOT LINT PROCESS SIMILAR TO WHAT IS BEINDIN THESE COMMIT MENTS. >> I DON'T HAVE INFORMATION SPEY ABOUT WHETHER A HOT LINE EXISTSE INSPECT TO DAN MY BOY BUT OUR CT IS TO ESTABLISH A HOT LINE FOR E NEIGHBORS TO CALL THE GOAT IF TE CONCERNED ABOUT EXCESSIVE NOISEY PATRONS.
>> BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE, IT COUNSELOR NELSON TALK MORE ABOUY BOYS BUT IT'S A GOOD KIND OF CON BECAUSE IT'S NEAR A RESIDENTIAL.
HOW DOES IT OPERATE. DOES IT OE FRIENDLY TO THOSE INDIVIDUALS WE HOMES AND LIVE IN THAT AREA? YEAH, I'D LIKE TO YOU KNOW LEARE
BIT MORE ABOUT THAT. >> AND TO THAT POINT.
>> PARDON ME, VI THE ANSWER FORY BOY HOURS.
>> DANNY BOY'S HOURS ACCORDING A O- ON FRIDAY IT'S OPEN TO 2:3N SATURDAY OPEN TO 2:30 A.M. AND Z 1:30 A.M. I DON'T FLOW WHAT TIT CREASES SERVING ALCOHOL. SO I LOOKED UP SOCIAL CAN TINA N THE OTHER SIDE AND THEY RUN 'TIT THURSDAY, FRIDAY, SATURDAY, SUNL 10:00 AND THEN MONDAY, TUESDAY,Y 'TIL 11:00. DO YOU HAVE MORE Q?
OKAY. COUNSELOR NELSON. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
I HAD TO NI, HOW ARE YOU? >> I'M DOING FINE, THANK YOU.
>> GOOD OOMPLET SO THE REAL ISSI THINK IS THAT YOU KNOW, THERE'SL BUSINESS THAT IS TRYING TO OPENO BUSINESS AND YOU HAVE RESIDENTS, SOME OF WHICH ARE MY FRIENDS THK VERY HIGHLY OF THAT ARE UPSET WE GOAT BEING A BAD NEIGHBOR. I E WERE A LOT OF FIRSTS, GOING THRA PANDEMIC YOU KNOW AND THE THOUGS THERE WAS YOUNGER PEOPLE COMINGM THE BROAD RIPEL WATERING HOLES D PARTYING AT THE GOAT AND THEN EG THEMSELVES IN SOME OF THE NEIGHD YARDS. THAT'S HORRIBLE.
>> IT'S NOT ONLY IS IT HORRIBLED FOR MY CLIENT FRANKLY BECAUSE AM THE FACT THAT HE WANTS TO BE A D NEIGHBOR, IT'S BAD FOR BUSINESS.
>> FOR SURE. AGREE WITH. THAT BUT IT'S ALSO BAD FOR PROPY
>> SO THERE ARE COUPLE OF THINGI HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR THAT I WOUO GET COMMIT MENTS ON OR ANSWERS . PROMISES ARE JUST PROMISES. I Y NEED TO BE WRITTEN AND THERE NEE YOU KNOW WAYS TO HOLD PEOPLE AC THERE NEEDS TO BE WAYS TO ENFORD WELL. I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA THS A HOT LINE BEING ANSWERED BY TH. IT NEEDS TO BE ANSWERED BY A TH, PREFER BLIT BLEES I GUESS. I WE TO SEE SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN PI WOULD LIKE TO NEXT I LIKE THE IT THIS OPEN COURT YARD THAT CREATF NOISE IS NOW GOING TO BE ENCLOSU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TYPES BG MATERIALS, I'M NOT A BUILDER SOT KNOW WHAT KIND OF SOUND PROVINGE INVOLVED BUT WHAT I DON'T LIKE T THINK MY COLLEAGUES LIKE IS THAS ALL THIS NOISE WHEN PEOPLE ARE R TRYING TO SLEEP OR ENJOY THEIR T YARDS OUTSIDE AND THEY ARE BEIND BY THIS.
IT'S JUST NOT FAIR. IT'S ALSO R YOUR CLIENT, IT'S BAD FOR THEIRY VALUES AND I THINK WE NEED TO ME THAT THAT IS COVERED IN SOME WA.
THESE PEOPLE WHO BOUGHT THESE HE ARE EXTEN SPEN SIF HOMES. THEYE ABLE TO ENSURE THAT THEIR INVESE PROTECTED.
>> AND HOW CAN WE ENSURE THAT THESE RESIDENTS WHEN THEY ARE BG
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DISTURBED, THAT THEIR COMPLAINTG LISTENED TO, GENUINELY LISTENEDD THAT'S A LOT OF WHAT I HEARD FRD PEOPLE OF THE CENTRAL DISTRICT N THIS AREA. THAT THEY WOULD COM, THERE WOULD BE PROMISES OR THERE GOAT WOULD SAY OKAY. WE'RE GOIE CARE OF IT AND NOTHING WOULD FRY HAPPEN. AGAIN, I RESPECT WHAT I RESPECT THE FACT THAT THERE AREL BUSINESS OWNERS. I'M A SMALL BS OWNER. I KNOW WHAT THE CHALLENT I'M ALSO A HOME OWNER AND I DONE BEING DISTURBED OR MY FAMILY BEG DISTURBED OR KNOWING MY NEIGHBOE BEING DISTURBED.THAT'S ALL I HAVE AT THE MOMENT. >> AND MAY I RESPOND TO THE QUEU
ASKED COWB LOR? >> YES, PLEASE DO.
>> YES SIR. >> WITH RESPECT TO THE HOT LINEE THE HOT LINE BEING IN PLACE ANDD BY A MEMBER OF THE GOAT WAS IN E FROM THE MEMBER OF THE PLAN COMO WHICH WE READILY AGREED.
AND WITH RESPECT TO THE NOTION E SORT OF LINE BEING ANSWERED BY I BELIEVE THAT EXISTS THROUGH TE ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM. IF SOMEE GOAT IS NOT RESPOFN SIF, IF THES VIOLATED IN THE NOISE ORDINANCER CITY LAW, CODE ENFORCEMENT EXISO ADDRESSING THAT EXACT ISSUE. AS THE QUESTION OF THE GOAT PROAF Y MAKING PROMISE THAT'S WERE NOT Y UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IN FACT TE SITUATION IMPROVED DRAMATICALLYE MANAGEMENT WAS ABLE TO GET AHOLE SITUATION AND A BELIEVE CODE ENT
CALLS REFLECT THAT. >> YEAH, I'M NOT SO SURE THAT TE CASE. THERE'S ONE MORE THING AE ME. THERE'S SOMETHING IN HERE O ADDITIONAL OUTDOOR SPEAKERS, DOT MEAN THAT THERE WILL BE OUTDOORS NOW AND HOW MANY ARE THERE? AND ARE THOSE ABIDING BY THE DER DECEMBER ABEL, THE NOISE ORDINA. AND AGAIN, THE IDEA HERE IS THAA SMALL BUSINESS AND HOW CAN THEYD NEIGHBOR OR ELSE THIS IS NOT GOO
PASS. >> THERE ARE OUTDOOR SPEAKERS NI DON'T KNOW HOW MANY THEY ARE. T REGARDLESS OF THE NUMBER THEY AY THE CARMEL NOISE ORDINANCE. HOW BADLY DOES THE OWNER FORT GO MOVE IN HERE AND WHAT ARE THE CS GOING TO BE BECAUSE THE COMMITMT I'M SEEING HERE. THEY LOOK OKAT THERE'S NOTHING THERE IN MY OPIU KNOW, IF THEY WANT TO BE THERE D NEIGHBORS THEN THOSE SPEAKERS NE REMOVED OR TURNED OFF AS SOON AE DINNER IS OVER.
AND EVERYTHING NEEDS TO BE MOVE THAT'S WHAT A GOOD NEIGHBOR DOE AND IF THEY ARE GOING TO COMMITA GOOD NEIGHBOR, THEN LET'S SEE I
>> AND MY ONLY RESPONSE TO THATE GOAT RESPOND FAVORABLY TO EACH D EVERYONE EVER THE REQUESTED COMS THAT THE PLAN MADE AND IF THEREE ADDITIONAL COMMIT MENTS THAT THY COUNCIL REQUESTED, WE'LL BE HAPE
>> COULD YOU PUT UP THE OVERHEAT SHOWS THE NEARBY HOUSES IN RELAE GOAT? IT'S THE PROPERTY IS CIRCLED?
>> THIS ONE HERE? >> YES. SO LOOKING AS WE ARE TT
IS THE COHEN HOUSE, CORRECT? >> I BELIEVE THE COHEN HOUSE IS IMMEDIATELY TO THE LEFT OR WESTE PROPERTY, THE RED CIRCLE I BELIS
THROUGH IT. >> OKAY. WHEN I VISITED THE COE IN 2020, THEY WERE USING IT FORS OR FOUNDATION.
>> THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. >> HAS THAT CHANGE SND.
>> MY SNRS NRSING WHICH CANDIDLD OR THIRD HAND INFORMATION IS THE
COHEN HOME IS USED AS A BUSINES. >> OKAY. BUT IT IS NOT ZONED FS
USE. >> IT IS DEFINITELY ZONED RESID.
>> IT IS ZONED RESIDENTIAL. HOE IS WHAT THEY STATED THAT IT IS.
>> OKAY. AND THEN ABOVE THE PRT NORTH.
>> I BELIEVE THE PROPERTY TO THF IT. THIS IS THE HISTORICAL SOCY
BUILDING. >> OKAY. OKAY. GOT IT. THANK.
>> COUNSELOR AASEN. >> THANK YOU.
QUESTION ABOUT THE HOURS HERE. R YOU CORRECTLY EARLIER WHEN YOU U
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WOULD BE COMMITTED TO CLOSING EN THE NEIGHBORS?>> NO, WHAT I SAID IS MY UNDERSS THAT AT THE PLAN COMMISSION, WED TO CLOSE AT MIDNIGHT, STOP SERVL AT MIDNIGHT AND CLOSE AT 1:00, S CERTAINLY BELOW WHAT THE CITY, E STATE STATUE REQUIRES AND OUR UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT WAS EARLN SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORS WERE CLOS.
>> OKAY. SO I'M A LITTLE CONCED BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE CONS TIEWTIOG AS NEIGHBORS, IF WE GO UP TO MA, YOU CAN MAKE AN ARGUMENT THAT TE BUSINESSES ON MAIN STREET THAT E HOURS BUT WE JUST DID A QUICK S.
11:00 FOR SOCIAL CAN TINA IN MI YOU WOULD BE ENDING ALCOHOL SERT MIDNIGHT AND THEN OPEN 'TIL 1:0O HOURS LATER THAN OTHER PLACES WE OPEN, THREE HOURS IN SOME CASESK NIGHT. I THINK THE ISSUE THAT E CONCERNED ABOUT FIRST WAS THE GZ GAINING A REPUTATION OF BEING TT STOP WHEN PEOPLE ARE OUT DRINKIY WOULD GO HAVE DRINKS AT SUN KINR SOMEWHERE ELSE. WHEN THEY CLOSY ALREADY HAD ALCOHOL IN THEIR SYN THEY WENT TO THE GOAT, HAD MORET IS MAYBE WHY THE GOAT WAS HAVINS OTHER THAN OTHER PLACES BECAUSEE ALREADY HAVING IT ELSEWHERE.
THIS SEEMS TO SAY FOR AN EXTRA S LATER THAN OTHER PLACES THEY WOL BE OPEN EVEN IF ALCOHOL SERVICET MIDNIGHT AND WE KNOW WHEN LAST L HAPPENS SOMEPLACES WILL SAY YOUY HAVE ONE DRINK AT LAST CALL. IW WHAT THEIR POLICY WILL BE, IF IE SOMEONE CAN ORDER FOUR OR FIVE T LAST CALL FOR ONE PERSON OR NOTS A LITTLE BIT OF A CONCERN FOR MS CONCERNING THAT WE WE DIDN'T, TT KNOW WHAT THE HOURS WERE FOR THE WITNESSES. THAT WOULD HAVE BEEG I FEEL LIKE THE HOURS WERE LIKE1 THING TO GET THIS MOVING THROUGO GET HOUR CHANGES. SO MY QUESTIS ARE WE WILLING TO NEGOTIATE ON S THERE FROM WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAE
WRITTEN HERE? >> AT THE PLAN COMMISSION LEVELE AGREED TO THE PROPOSAL THAT THEN COMMISSION SUGGESTED. SEIZING L SERVICE AT MIDNIGHT AND CLOSINGT 1:00 WAS THE RESULT OF NEGOTIATH THE PLAN COMMISSION. I DON'T HAVE AUTHORIZE AS I SITY TO REA NEGOTIATE THAT BUT WE'REO HAVE ANY CONVERSATION THAT THEYO
HAVE ABOUT MY ASPECT OF OPERATI. >> COUNSELOR RURAL.
>> THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. >> AND WE HAVE NOT MET.
IT'S A HARD G BUT PLEASE CALL M. TONY, THANK YOU.
>> I'VE HEARD A LOT OF THE DIALT HOURS AND COMPARING TO THE OTHER BUSINESSES AROUND AND I DO THINA VALID, THOSE ARE VALID THINGS TS BUT I HAVE NEVER HAD A NOISE COT INVOLVING SUN KING, INVOLVING FD ALE, INVOLVING NOW SOCIAL CAN TE BEEN TO ALL THOSE ESTABLISHMENTE HAD A GREAT TIME AND THERE'S A T FEEL AND VIBE TO THOSE ESTABLISS THE OTHER THING, SO I'M GOING TU TO SPEND SOME TIME DISCUSSING WE CHANGES TO THE BUILDING. BECAUE OTHER THREE ESTABLISHMENTS PRIMN CONNECTION TO SUN KING AND THE R DEFNLGT I DMOANT WHY I DON'T GEE COMPLAINTS ABOUT THAT BUT I DON. THERE ARE ONLY SO MANY TABLES UD TEND TO BE SMALLER GROUPS. NOTR WHAT I SAW AT THE GOAT. SO HOWU GOING TO DEAL WITH THE NOISE WHS 6:00 IN THE AFTERNOON OR 6:00 IE EVENING, 3:00 IN THE AFTERNOON N THE MORNING? TO ME THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE. SE KIND OF ESTABLISHMENT THAT TOMAS RUNNING AND I STILL CANNOT HELPT REMEMBER WHAT WE WERE TOLD WHENE ORIGINAL LIQUOR LICENSE WAS ESTD BACK IN 2018, I BELIEVE.
APRIL OF 2018. I MAY BE A LITTG ON.
THAT MAYBE IT'S 2017 BUT IT WAS, BARBECUE AND CIGAR AND WE ALL NE
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CIGAR PART LEFT. SO IF YOU'RE O GET MY VOTE, I NEED TO UNDERSTAW YOU'VE CHANGED THE BUILDING TO E KIND OF BUSINESS THAT IT IS ANDT>> SO COULD WE GO THROUGH THAT? >> WE CAN. THE SHORT ANSWER ISF THE NOISE IS EXSTES IF. IF WE T COMPLAINTS. MANAGEMENT WILL IND PATRONS IMMEDIATELY WHETHER THE BUILDING IS MADE OF CINDER BLOCR STRAW. WITH RESPECT TO THE ARCL WORK THAT WAS DONE HERE, I'M NON ARCHITECT BUT WHAT I CAN TELL YT STUDIO M. WORKED WITH DOCS SPECO TRY TO DESIGN SPACE THAT SERVEDO PURPOSES, NO. 1 TO LIMIT THE FLF PATRONS OUT OF THE PROPERTY BY G THEM THROUGH SPECIFIC TRAFFIC PS THAT CAN BE CONTROLLED. DOORWAD DOORWAYS OUT. RATHER THAN HAVIR PAIT YOZ. SECOND WAS TO MAKE ED STRUCTURES. I APOLOGIZE, I CANK TO THE ENGINEERING OF WHAT THE S ARE DESIGNED TO COULD.
BUT WE CAN HAVE THE ARCHITECT CN PERSON.
>> THAT'S FINE BUT WHY DON'T YOP YOUR DRAWINGS.
>> SURE. >> WE CAN AT LEAST DUE RUDE MENN TREE DISCUSSIONS HERE AND OUR SN SHARE ANY DETAILS BUT GO TO THET SHOWS WHAT I WOULD CALL THE. YEAH, THANK YOU.
>> SO I SEE THREE LARGE A AREASM TO BE SOMEWHAT O O PAIK,.
>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MATERI BELIEVE IT'S PLEXIGLASS BUT I DT
TO MISS SPEAKING. >> IT'S VIE VINYL.
>> ISN'T THE REALITY HERE IS THE A THREE SIDED BUILDING?
I'M NOT AN ARCHITECT OR ENGINEE. >> I CAN HAVE THE ARCHITECT HERR ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS. EYE WOE TO GO ANY FARTHER UNLESS VI DETT
>> LET ME TALK THROUGH A FEW THN THE FRONT PART OF THE BUILDING E GO BACK UP A LITTLE BIT TOO. STUDIO M. DESIGNED THIS COMPLETD SHOWED TO US. I DIDN'T HAVE ANN THE DESIGN. I CK CAN'T TAKE CRI DO LIKE THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDI THINK THEY DID A GOOD JOB MAKINH THE EXISTING BUILDING WILL. WIT SAID, THE FRONT PART OF THIS ISR GALA. IT IS A SMART PER PER GAA LOT OF PLACES HAVE IN OUR AREA S WHAT THE VERY FRONT PART IS ANDN AS OPEN WITH WORKING THROUGH DEN DETAILS THAT WOULD REQUIRE THEME FANCIER THAN WHAT WE HAVE SEEN BEHIND THAT IS GOING TO BE BASEE FLOOR PLAN. IT LOOKS LIKE OVERE DOORS. THAT WOULD OPEN THREE SF OVERHEAD GARAGE DOORS.
>> GO TO THIS LINE HERE. SO IFE THE EDGE OF THE PER PER GO LA,.
>> THERE'S AN OPENING BETWEEN TW BUILDING AND OLD BUILDING AND OH SIDE OF IT THERE'S ANOTHER GARAR THAT WOULD COME UP THERE AND THE THE EXISTING BUILDING THAT HAS E EXISTING PERGOLA THAT'S THERE NN AT THE VERY BOTTOM, ON THE SOUT, THERE'S ANOTHER GARAGE DOOR THAP THERE THAT'S EXISTING TODAY. IE TO MOVE FORWARD AND IF YOU ALL O APPROVE THINGS, THERE ARE CHANGD LIKE TO SEE TO THE DE SIERCH TH THE MIDDLE AREA IN BETWEEN THE D NEW, I FEEL SHOULD BE COMPLETEL I DON'T FEEL THAT THEY SHOULD HR OUTDOOR AREA.
I THINK THEY NEED A VESTIBULE ED WHERE THE PEOPLE CAN MOVE BACK
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BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE FLOO, YOU'LL SEE A VERY SMALL AREA WHN KIND OF SEE IT, DARKER LINES OVU SEE THE DOOR AT THE END, THERE'P GOING UP AND THEN A DOOR AT THE, THAT AREA IS THE AREA THAT SERVL WALK THROUGH BETWEEN THE TWO ARE PEOPLE WILL WALK THROUGH, YOU KW DELIVERING KITCHEN TO PEOPLE ONR SIDE OR WHERE PEOPLE CAN GO THRO TO THE BATHROOM. IT SEEMS LIKET AN AREA. THAT WHOLE CENTRAL PARL SHOULD BE ENCLOSED AND THAT WOUT DOWN ON THE NOISE AS WELL.AND THEN MAYBE YOU ALTER EXISTIG ON THE SOUTH END WHERE YOU KNOWT REALLY NEED TO HAVE A DOOR, A GR OPEN TOGETHER SOUTH IF ALL THE D ACTIVITY IS GOING TO BE FACING ? SO MAYBE MORE THINGS NEED TO BE.
>> DOES THAT HELP? >> THAT IS AN EXPLANATION.
>> YES. >> THE -- SOY JUST. I WILL GO E RECORD. WHEN I WAS ASKED EARLIO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM, MY ANSWER WD OF THE NOISE BY ENCLOSING IT. M STRUGGLING TO TRY AND FIGURE OUA THREE SIDED BUILDING, WHICH I GI PROBABLY WOULD LOVE TO SIT THERY MY MEAL LOOKING OUT A GARAGE DOT LOCATION MAY NOT BE APPROPRIATEA THREE SIDED BUILDING BECAUSE WEE RESIDENTIAL TO THE EAST AND THER THING THAT WAS A GIANT PROBLEM E THESE HOUR CON TROA BIEWGHT TO E PICK UP BY UBER OF ALL THESE PED THE LINES OF UBERS WE HAD OUT IT WITH THE FLASHERS GOING AND PEOS FLASHING AND PEOPLE YELLING AND.
THAT BUT I'M ALL EARS. CAME HET TO TALK TO THE PEOPLE WHO COULDE PROMISES AND TELL ME THE ANSWERY QUESTIONS. I DON'T KNOW THAT IM GETTING THAT TONIGHT. AS FAR AS ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN , OBVIOUSLY THIS WILL GO BACK TO R FARTHER REVIEW TO ADDRESS THE CS CONCERNS AND THE COMMITTEE'S COO THAT IS CERTAINLY NOT A PROBLEM.
>> AS FAR AS HOURS AND OPERATIO, HOUR PRESENTATION TODAY IS BASEE HOURS AND THE OPERATIONAL TERMSE NEGOTIATED AND A PLOFD BY THE PN COMMISSION. IF THE COUNCIL IN D THIS COMMITTEE IN PARTICULAR HAS ADDITIONAL CONCERNS AND ADDITIOS THAW WANT US TO ADDRESS IN ORDEA OBTAIN A REZONING, WE ARE HAPPYE THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE ONE MOINR STATEMENT, I'M APPROACHING THISE EYES OPEN AT THIS TIME SO I THIE HOOPS ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE TO P THROUGH AND THE CHALLENGES THATE OVERCOME ARE TWICE AS HIGH AS TN THE PAST AND THAT'S WHY I THINKY HAVE TO DIG INTO THE DETAILS.
>> UNDERSTOOD. >> SO I'M GOING TO NEED EVERY DU
CAN GIVE ME. >> AND WE'RE HAPPY AGAIN TO PREE ARCHITECT TO TALK WITH MY CLIENS MANAGEMENT STAFF ABOUT OPERATIO WE CAN PRESENT ANYONE AND EVERYO ANSWER EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOUR.
>> COUNSELOR NELSON. >> ALL RIGHT. WELL, I AGREE WIY COLLEAGUES HERE COUNT COUNSELOR. YOU I AGREE, I GO BACK TO IF THG TO WORK IN A WAY THAT WORKS WITR NEIGHBORS THEN THE NOISE HAS TOU KNOW ALMOST ELIMINATED. YOU KNE OUTSIDE. YOU GOT A BIG FACILITI UNDERSTAND THE APPEAL OF HAVINGW THESE GARAGE DOORS GO UP WHERE N BELLY UP AND WATCH PEOPLE RUNNIH BUT THAT'S DURING THE DAY. YOUE HAVE HOMES AROUND HERE, EXPENSI, FELLOW MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITYT DESERVE TO HAVE A QUIET RESPECTL NEIGHBORHOOD AND SO YOU KNOW, IS
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THING NEEDS TO BE TIGHT. IT NEE SOUND PROOF.YOU KNOW NO SPEAKERS OUTSIDE. , NO LIVE MUSIC OUTSIDE AT ALL. O BE INSIDE AND YOU KNOW, IF THEYO HAVE OUTSIDE, THEN MAYBE IT NEEE MOVED SOMEWHERE ELSE. SOMEWHERN THE CITY. BUT NOT HERE. AND Y, AGAIN, LOUD AND CLEAR FROM A LOR NEIGHBORS, I KNOW THERE ARE A FE THAT CAME AND SPOKE IN SUPPORT E GOAT. BUT YOU KNOW FAR MORE SAT THEY ARE UNHAPPY AND YOU KNOW SE NEED TO COME TO SOME SORT OF COC
RELATIONSHIP. >> WHAT I'M HEARING LOUD AND CLM THE MEMBERS OF THIS COMMISSION U DON'T WANT TO HEAR FLAY LAWYER.T TO HEAR FROM THE ARCHITECT AND L PEOPLE.
>> THE OWNER WOULD BE NICE TOO. >> YES.
>> IT WOULD HAVE BEEN VERY HELPE THE OWNER HERE TONIGHT TO ANSWER
>> COUNSELOR HANNAH. >> THANK YOU COUNSELOR CAMPBELL.
SO I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FA COMMENT AND THEN A QUESTION FOR.
MY COMMENT IS YOU KNOW, I EMPATH MR. PAUL AND HIS BUSINESS PARTNT WERE IN THIS PARTICULAR SITUATIY NEARLY 93-YEAR-OLD MOM LIKES TOE LAZY AND DO IT RIGHT THE FIRST . AND SO THE ISSUE IS, HAD AT THEF PERMITS BEING SUBMITTED WHETHERE CONSTRUCTION, LIQUOR LICENSE ET, THIS BEEN BROAD THROUGH THE BZAR REZONE THROUGH THE PLANNING COMI DO NOT BELIEVE THAT IT WOULD HAR BEEN CONSIDERED FOR A LATE NIGHN THAT BZA GOING FROM A BRUNCH PLA LIGHT NIGHT TAVERN WITH A HOME N 6 FEET WOULD HAVE NEVER APPROVE. THAT IF THEY DECIDED TO GO REZOI CAN'T IMAGINE THE PLAN COMMISSIN BECAUSE OF THE IMMEDIATE PROXIMO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT THEY WE APPROVED ANYTHING THAT LOOKED LS WHATSOEVER. I DO AGREE THAT THE CERTAINLY IT MAKES SENSE THAT ID HAVE SOME COMMERCIAL IEWT LA DID BEST TO MOVE IT FROM A RESIDENTA VARIANCE TO SOME SORT OF DISNECY APPLICATION BUT A CANDLE SHOP, A RESTAURANT THAT CLOSED AT 11:00T OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO AGAIN, I'M EMPATHETIC TO THEF THIS FROM MY PERSPECTIVE IT DOEE IT. IF I LIVE THERE NEXT TO ITN AND DAUGHTER LIVE THERE OR MY ME THERE, I WOULD NOT WANT UNDER AY CIRCUMSTANCES A LATE NIGHT TAVER IT'S MIDNIGHT OR 1:00 OR WHATEVD DOESN'T MATTER WHAT MR. COHEN IS USING THAT HOME FOR, IT'S A RESL HOME THAT THEY WILL EVENTUALLY O SELL AND THE RESALE VALUE WILL Y IMPACTED SO AGAIN, I GO BACK TOS IF WE RERUN THE CLOCK AND THINGN DONE IN WHAT LIKELY WOULD HAVE E RIGHT WAY TO DO IT, IF THIS WENH THE BZA BEFORE ANYONE PUTNEY MOE TABLE AND IT WENT THROUGH THE PN COMMISSION, THERE'S NO WAY THEYF APPROVED, I BELIEVE, A LATE NIG. SO TO LEAVE THAT AS WE JUST SAYT QUAIR HOW WE GOT THERE, WE'RE NG APPROVE THIS PARTICULAR USE. IT AGAINST COMMERCIAL BUT THIS PARE AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHERE I Y COLLEAGUES AREN'T THERE THAN ATE CAN POSSIBLY MITIGATE THE HELL F THESE COMMITMENTS TO MAKE IT YOE BEST IT POSSIBLY CAN BE. AND IY EVIDENT THAT THE PETITIONER IS Y TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS ANDS THE DATA THAT WE NEED AT THIS PI WOULD THINK.
I'M NOT ON THIS COMMITTEE BUT AY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE, DON'T W YOU CAN ACT UPON THIS OTHER THAO CAN CONFIDENCE, NO VOTE. SO THY COMMENT. MY QUESTION FOR ADRIAN IS THIS.
WHEN IT WENT THROUGH THE PLAN CN COMMISSION AND I DID NOT ATTENDW THOSE TAPES, BUT I UNDERSTAND WT WAS YOUR RECOMMENDATION OR DOCS RECOMMENDATION THAT THIS BE A BA B-2.
SO CAN YOU WALK US THROUGH. WHA B.-7 AND HOW DID IT GET TO A B-?
>> YES, I CAN HELP YOU WITH THAN THIS REZONE ORIGINALLY CAME TO D
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NO PRIOR KNOWLEDGE THAT IT WAS O COME US TO. WE HAD NO PRESUBMIL MEETINGS LIKE REQUIRED. IT WENE USE VARIANCE AND THEN THE COURTO OKAY. HERE'S YOUR APPLICATION S NOT HOW WHERE HE DO BUSINESS ORE LIKE TO DO BUSINESS BECAUSE IF D DISCUSS WITH THEM WE WOULD HAVEE WHY ARE WE DOING B-2 AND SAID TT UP FRONT. WHEN YOU GO THROUGH N TENTS WRITTEN IN BDO THROUGHOUTE DIFFERENT DISTRICTS, B-7 IS MORA TRANSITIONAL CLASSIFICATION ANDS SPECIFICALLY TALKS ABOUT BEING O RESIDENTIAL AND IT SEEMED LIKE N THAT LIST OF ALOUD ALLOWED USESE ALREADY BETTER SUITED TO BE NEXO RESIDENTIAL. ONE OF THEM BEING RESTAURANT. NOT TAVERN BUT RES AND SO THAT WAS WHERE WE KIND OP WITH THE B-7 ANALYSIS. AS WE WG THEY ALWAYS REQUESTED B-2 AND NE OFF B-2. MAYBE WE CAN GET TO B.-2 IF WE Y WILL AT THINGS WE HAD TO DO IN T THE MORE WE LOOKED AT IT, THE SF B-7 AND SIDE YARD SET BACK, THED COVERAGE ALL THOSE DETAILS AND RESTRICTIONS BASICALLY MAKE THIE UNDEVELOP ABLE. YOU GET LEFT WE TINIEST SQUARE IN THE MIDDLE OFE BECAUSE IT'S JUST A TINY SITE. E B-2 WORKS BETTER AS FAR AS THE T COVERAGE% YOU CAN HAVE AND THE THEY WOULD HAVE LESS VARIANCES,L STILL NEED VARIANCES.BUT THE OTHER THING ABOUT THE BY REALLY WANT THAT CLASSIFICATIONE BECAUSE THE WORD TAVERN, THE USN WAS IN THAT LIST ALREADY. BUT E PROCESS, I LEARNED SOMETHING NET IS THAT TAVERN DOESN'T MEAN ANYN THE RESTAURANT WORLD OR FOR A LR LICENSE. A RESTAURANT OR A PLAR TO HAVE AN ALCOHOL PERMIT HAS TE FOOD. AND SO THERE FOR IT COULA RESTAURANT. SO REALLY THE UDO'A CLASS INDICATION OF A TAVERN DON ANYTHING LOGISTICALLY ORRY A LIY OF HOW THE LIQUOR LICENSE WORKSN INDIANA SO THE USE TAVERN DIDN'R ANYMORE. IT REALLY JUST NEEDEDA
RESTAURANT. SO DOES THAT HELP? >> IT DOES, THANK YOU AND AGAINE TRYING TO AFTER THE FACT FIX SOG RIGHT?
>> YES. >> AND THIS SHOULD OF BEEN AT MA B-7 BECAUSE IT DEFINES A VAN TRL AREA AND IMMEDIATE SET BACKS AND PARTICULARLY WHAT I'M FOCUSED OE USE RIGHT.
RIGHT. >> THE TYPES OF ALLOWED USES WOE DICTATE ORDER SHOULD HAVE DICTAP FRONT THAT THIS TYPE OF PROPERTT OF BEEN THERE. AND TO COUNCIL S COMMENT, NEVER HEARING NIGZ ABOG OR FORK NAINLD IS BECAUSE THEY E RESIDENCES NEXT TO THEM. THE CF THOSE VERSUS THE GHOUL GOAT CULT ALSO THEY ARE NOT IMMEDIATELY AT TO A SINGLE FAMILY LIKE THIS. AGAIN, I WOULD JUST SAY THE ISSS I DO NOT SEE THIS SORT OF USE CG PERMITTED BY ME. I DON'T THINKE RIGHT THING TO DO. SO I'M NOT N ANY CASE, IF NI MY FELLOW COUNST TO APPROVE IT, THEN AGAIN, IT NE TOWARDS A B-7 IN TERMS OF IT'S S AND WHAT IT'S ALLOWED TO DO IN F USE AND HOURS OF OPERATION AND E THAT TOO. I THINK THE COMMITMEE IEWZ EASILY MADE AND HARD TO ENI THINK ANYTHING WE CAN HARD WIREO SPEAK,.
>> INTO THE ZONING REQUIREMENTSE BETTER THAN COMMITMENTS.
>> PRESIDENT RIDER DID YOU WANTO FIRST?
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>> WE'LL GO TO COUNSELOR WUR RE. >> WELL, YOU KNOW SUN KING YOU E RAIL YARD RIGHT ACROSS THE MONOY THINK QUIB LG WHETHER RESIDENT L IS RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO IT IS NOTO ME.
THE ISSUE IS THE KIND OF OPERATD THAT'S WHAT I THINK WE ARE. THT I'M TALKING ABOUT, THE KIND OF N AND HOW IT'S BEING RUN.
>> MADAM CHAIR. MR. PAUL HAS RE CERTAINLY IS SCITUATEED TO ANSWR QUESTIONS THAT I'M UNABLE TO ANO SPECIFIC OPERATIONAL DETAILS AND CONSTRUCTION OF THE BUILDING. THANK YOU. COUNSELOR RIDER DIDT
TO SPEAK? >> YES, I WANT TO CLARIFY A FEWS WITH OUR TABLE OF ATTORNEYS, WHS GOING TO ANSWER ME.
THE ARCHITECTURE HAS BEEN MENTIN THIS. THIS HAS TO GO BACK TO PG COMMISSION FOR THE ARCHITECTURA. FOR B-2 ZONING, YES.
AND IS THIS REZONE CONTINGENT B? >> WHAT IF THE PLANNING COMMISST
APPROVE THE BUILDING? >> WELL, THE REZONE WOULD STILL,
OKAY. I THINK THE REZONE WOULD STILL N EFFECT BUT THEY HAVE TO GO THROT PROCESS. IF THEY WERE DENIED, D TRY AGAIN. LATER THE.
>> AND MY BIGGEST THING AND A SO THE PETITIONER AND TO YOU, IS IA FEEL FOR HOW THE COMMITMENTS AR. SURE, SO THE COMMIT MENTS ARE AY STATUTORY PROCESS UNDER THE IND IT STATES WHAT I REZONE IS GOING THRIEWMPLET THE PETITIONER CAN S CONDITIONS OF RECEIPT ZONE MAKEN COMMITMENTS AND THE STATUTE SETS FORGE A PROCESS FOR THOSE AS WEO THEY CAN BE ENFORCED BY THE BODE COMMITMENTS ARE MADE TO AND IN E IT WOULD BE THE COUNCIL AND IN R INDICATIONS IT'S THE PLANNING NN COMMISSION BUT IT'S MADE BY FILD ACTION IN CIRCUIT OR SUPERIOR CE COUNTY AND YOU CAN SEEK TEMPORAY RESTRAINING ORDER. TEMPORARY IN OR PERMANENT INJUNCTION AND IF E SUCCESS FUG FUCIALG THE COURT EE COMMITMENT AND THEN THE PROPERTS TO PAY OUR ATTORNEYS FEES AS WE.
SO SO ONE OF US HAS TO STAND OU? >> NO, YOU CAN PASS A RESOLUTIO.
>> OKAY BECAUSE YOU SAID COUNSE. >> SORRY.
>> I WANTED TO CLAISHFY THAT. >> SORRY.
>> AND ON THE OUTDOOR AREAS, I E WITH THIS NEW POLICY BUT THE NEY HAS BECOME IF YOU ARE IN A C-2 Y ARE NOT ALLOWING THE VINYL ANYMM OBVIOUSLY THE ONE WHO START THAL SO I DISAGREE WITH THAT BUT IT'Y CAVMENT ARE THEY GOING TO BE ALO HAVE THE VINYL ON THE PERGOLA?
>> SORRY, IS THE QUESTION TO MEO MR. PAUL OR TO COUNCIL?
>> TO WHOEVER CAN ANSWER IT. >> THE QUESTION WILL WE BE ALLOE
THE VINYL? >> RIGHT NOW THEY ARE TURNING I.
I'LL ASK RACHEL HERE. >> AND I THINK THE GOAL WOULD BO
>> YES. >> BUT THIS WOULD BE A B-2.
>> SO IT WOULD GO THROUGH SO ITE WOB UP TO THE PLANNING COMMISSIO
>> NOT THE CRC WHICH IS WHO WAS ENFORCING IT IN C-2?
>> TYPICALLY YES. NOT TECHNICALLY.
>> THE ANSWER IS IS YES. THE VINYL DISCUSSION IS A BEAUTN
THING. >> SO THE REST OF US ARE UGLY?
>> AND THEIR USE AS ALL YEAR RO. >> I JUST, I NEED -- THE BIGGESD A SPOKE TO ONE OF THE PETITION Y ON AND IT WASN'T A DEBATE, IT WS BEEN A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT TE SPECIFICS AND WE NEED TO GET SPC ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS AT WHAT TIMES GENERAL AND PEOPLE ARE WORRIED T GENERAL. THEY WANT IT VERY SPE. THE CURRENT COMMITMENTS BEFORE N COMMISSION ARE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAE SEIZES AT NOON ON WEEKEND.
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SORRY. AT MIDNIGHT ON WEEKENDS.A LITTLE EARLY. MIDNIGHT ON WEEKENDS AND THE BAT
>> COUPE LETTER COUNSELOR AASEN. >> THANK YOU.
FIRST OFF ONE BIG DIFFERENCE BEK AND NAIL AND SUN KING AND THIS ESTABLISHMENT. I CAN BRING MY R WHO IS FOUR YEARS OLD TO SUN KIK
AND NAIL. THIS WOULD BE OVER 2? >> YES. AND BASED ON SOME NIEMS IT'S 9:00 AT SUN KING AND 11:00K AND NAIL AND 11:00 AT CAN TINA D SEPARATE HOURS. (IN AUDIBLE).
>> JUST FOR THE PUBLIC RECORD PI APOLOGIZE.
>> SO THERE CERTAINLY JANUARY, , WINTER HOURS VERSUS SUMMER HOUR EVERYONE SEEMS TO CLOSE EARLIERO T- AT OUR OTHER ESTABLISHMENTS E OF YEAR BECAUSE THE BUSINESS ISE AND GETS DARK AT 6:00 OR 5:30 AD PEOPLE ARE HOME EARLIER BUT I KL CAN TINA WILL BE OPEN 'TIL 1:00E SUMMER. ALL WE'RE ASKING IS TOO OPERATE THERE A SIMILAR MANNER E ELSE THAT HAS A SIMILAR BUSINESG THAT GREEN WAY. THE BUSINESS MS BEEN IN PLAY WITH DOCKS AND COMY SERVICES SINCE 2016. WE CERTAIT EXPECT OR NEED TO BE OR ASKING N TO 2:00, 3:00 IN THE MORNING. E STATE OF INDIANA WOULD LIEU WITE LIQUOR LICENSE.
WE CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND WHAT ISG IN THE HOMING NEIGHBORHOOD FLVMN PROPERTY 250 AS A RESIDENCE WHIO DOORS DOWN. I DON'T WANT TO AFY ASPECTS OF THAT BLOCK EITHER BUE BAR IS GOING IN ACROSS THE STREE BUILDING TO THE NORTH OF US, HIC COUNTY BUILDING WILL HAVE RECEPA AND BAR ON THE ROOF TOP. SOCIAA IS 35 FEET FROM MY SIDE DOOR. D NAIL ACROSS THE STREET. YOU'VEN JUST DOWN THE BLOCK. IT'S FANTC WHAT'S HAPPEN AGO LONG THAT GRE I'M INSPIRED BY T. I INVESTED IY WITH ANTHONY AND MONTEREY AND BT THE CORNER. IT'S AWESOME STUFFL CERTAINLY MANAGE THE APPROACH. O OUTSIDE SPEAKERS PLANNED. THE N THE PERGOLA, WE CERTAINLY CAN CT TO CANVAS FOR LOOKS OR KEVIN HAE STUFF. MR. RIDER HAS THE SAME T IN THE FRONT OF HIS FACILITY.
THE PLAN IS AT 10:00, EVERYONE S INSIDE THE STRUCTURE. NOT INTOE PERGOLA BUT INTO THE BUILDING AK AND THAT'S TO HELP REDUCE AND EE
THE NOISE AS WELL. >> SO JUST TO FINISH WHAT I WASO SAY, WE TALK ABOUT ENFORCEMENT.T OF THESE THINGS HERE SUCH AS SHD HOURS AND CLOSING THE AREA AND O SPEAKERS, THESE THEMSELVES HAVET BUT A TOOL TO REACH THE GOAL WHO REDUCE THE PROBLEMS THAT WE'VE H IS EXCESSIVE NOISE COMPLAINTS, G ON PROPERTY. BEHAVIOR THAT UNAE AT ANY HOUR OF DATE SUCH AS PUBC URINATION OR OTHER UNSEWNLY ACTN PEOPLE'S PROPERTIES. SO WHAT DF YOU SHORTEN THE HOURS AND YOU EE THOSE THINGS AND DO ALL THAT ANE TROUBLING BEHAVIORS AND THE NOIL PERCIST. WHAT IS -- DO WE HAVE AN ENFORCT
PEOPLE MISSION FOR THAT OR RECO? >> WE STILL HAVE CITY OR DA NS R AS NOISE AND PUBLIC NUISANCE INL THAT WE CAN USE AS ENFORCEMENT.
>> BUT YOU COULDN'T HOLD A BUSIS ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE PATRONS ACTR
THEY LEAVE THE PLACE? >> WELL, I NEEN MEAN, CBD CAN EE
CRIMINAL TRESPASS. >> BUT ONLY ON THE PEOPLE WHO AG
>> OKAY AND PUBLIC NUISANCE, I K INTO THAT BUT THAT COULD BE MADT
THE BUSINESS AS WELL. >> OKAY.
>> IF I COULD SPEAK. SOME OF THIS WILL COME BACK TO L SO IF THEY THERE ARE PERCEIVED R VIOLATIONS, THERE'S A MEK NIM ME
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CITY OR OTHER NEIGHBORS OR OTHER BUSINESSES TO REACH OUT AND HAVT TAKEN CARE OF. THERE'S ANNUAL , THERE'S FINES IMPOSED. THEY CAN TECHNICALLY REVOKE OR SUSPEND AT ANY TIME. SO THERE'S CERTAINLYA THESE ACTIVITIES. IF YOU CAN CY POINT IT BACK TO THAT SPECIFIC N OR THAT UNIT, I CAN CERTAINLY AO ON RECORD, THESE ACTIVE IT TEEST COMPLETELY HAULTED EVEN SINCE TS CLOSED.PEOPLE ARE MY PROPERTY DOING TH THEY GO ON TO THE GOAT. THEY PY PROPERTY. THEY'VE BEEN TRESPASSING. IT'SE OF A VERY TRANSIENT PEDESTRIAN I MEAN, IT'S URBAN LIVING, RIGH?
>> SO THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOTE EVERY WHERE. AND IT'S AN OBLIGD RESPONSIBILITY FOR EVERY RESIDED EVERY BUSINESS OWNER TO HELP PON AJ SHE'S TYPES OF ACTIVITIES FOD I CERTAINLY PROVEN, TRIED, DOCUT WE WERE WILLING TO ADDRESS THES WHAT HAPPENED LAST OCTOBER IN 2S UNACCEPTALBE. THERE'S NO QUEST. IT'S ABSOLUTELY UNACCEPTALBE ANT THINGS IN PLACE THAT WILL REMAIE EVEN BEYOND THE COMPLIT MENTS. E VIDEO CAMERAS, WE HAVE FENCES UE SIGNAGE. IF WE CATCH A PAY TROS ON SOMEONE ELSE'S PROPERTY, THEE BANNED FROM THE BUSINESS. THEYT ALLOWED BACK. IF THEY STEP FOOR PROPERTY AND GONE SOMEWHERE ELST WILL NOT GO WAY. BUT CERTAINLY THERE ARE OTHER AO MORE FORMALLY POLICE AND ADDRESD MANAGE THE PROCESS FOR SURE.
>> BEFORE YOU ARRIVED, THE QUESE UP, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION AE
HOT LINE, HOW THAT WOULD WORK. >> YEAH, SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILT LINE. WHAT WE'LL HAVE SAY TEXT TEXT IS A LITTLE BIT EASIER BUTE NOTIFIED THAT THERE'S NOISE OR U KNOW IT WILL CERTAINLY BE FOREMT AND OWNERSHIP TO ADDRESS IT. IW IF THERE'S AN EXPECTATION THAT N FOLLOW BACK UP WITH PEOPLE. I'Y CELL PHONE TO I THINK EVERY SINN THAT I KNOW ON OUR BLOCK OR ACRE STREET. I'VE LEFT BUSINESS CARR EVERYONE. IF THEY CALL ME I TRO TEXT THAT BACK. CLOSE A DOOR OE MUSIC DOWN. IF YOU CONTINUE TOA PROBLEM. LET ME KNOW. IF I KNE PARKED IF I KNOW OF THE PERSON D IN FRONT OF THE I AND YOU WANT K THEM TO MOVE IT, I CAN ASK THEME THEIR CARKS YOU KNOW, THAT KINDF AND WE DO THAT AT ALL OUR ESTAB. I'VE BEEN DOING IT AT DANNY BOYT YEARS NOW AND THAT LIT GA TET MN THE MIDDLE AVE REAL NEIGHBORHOOS
SA BOURBON. THAT'S SURROUNDED . >>>
>> IS THERE A WAY WE CAN GET THS TO REVIEW THEM.
>> YOU MEAN THE TEXT MESSAGES. >> I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUT OF THE COMMITMENTS. COUNSELOR RIDER.
>> MADAM CHAIR. >> YOU JUST SAID IT AGAIN AND YT AT PLANNING COMMISSION AND HERET WRITTEN AS NALD.
YOU SAID OUTDOOR SPEAKERS. IN E COMMITMENT IT SAYS NO ADDITIONAR SPEAKERS. AND YOUR ATTORNEY PRESENTED THEE NO ADDITIONAL AND THE OLD ONES T WOULD STAY.
>> THAT'S HOW IT WAS SAID AT THG COMMISSION. I WOULD REMOVE THES THERE. I JUST HEARD NO AND YOU SAID NOD HE SAID SOMETHING DIFFERENT SO M CONCERNING WHICH ONE IT IS.
>> . IT'S DEFINITELY NO ADDITI. THAT'S THE FIRST TIME I HEARD ND
ADDITIONAL. THAT'S WHY I'M SAY. >> OKAY. THAT'S FINE.
>> AND THE OTHER ONE. THE PLANG COMMISSION. I'M SURE WHEN THE G COMMISSION IS DONE. WE HAVE NO INTENTION FOR THE HOO BE USED AS AN ENFORCING TOOL. IT WAS OUR PRESIDENT'S IDEA BUTS MERELY SO THE PETITIONER WOULD M THE PUBLIC.
THAT IS NOT OUR ENFORCEMENT TOOE NEVER INTENDED FOR IT TO BE AN T TOOL. DO YOU DON'T LET PEOPLE E THEIR OWN RULES. THAT'S OUR JOI
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SAID ENFORCEMENT IS THE MOST IMT THING IN THE COMMITMENTS TO ME.I'M SORRY. I A DO APPRECIATE ACKNOWLEDGE AN THE NEXT YOU KNOW IF SOMEONE ISG WE'RE TOO LOUD. IF THERE'S A WA MECHANISM, THEY CAN NOTIFY ME FI HAVE A CHANCE TO RECTIFY IT, THS REASONABLE AND APPROPRIATELY THD MAKES IT EASIER. THE LAST THINS PHONES TO BLOW UP BECAUSE I COUT TURNED OFF A SPEAKER OR POS CLOA WINDOW. RIGHT. THAT WOULD GIVE US A BEA OF WHETHER HE IS HANDLING ANY IT COME UP BEFORE WE HEAR ABOUT THO
NARCHG YOU. COUNSELOR NELSON. >> HI KEVIN, HOW ARE YOU?
>> GOOD. >> GOOD. SO YOU KNOW, I APPRECT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO AND I'M SORU WEREN'T HERE EARLIER AND SO I'MO AGAIN REITERATE TWO OF THE CONCT LEAST THAT I HEAR ON A REGULAR D SOME OF MY FRIENDS IN PARTICULAD CONES COHENS, THE NOISE IS AN I.
AND WHAT CONCERS ME. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE WRAP E PERGOLA. I'M TALKING ABOUT THEE DOORS GOING UP. SO MY CONCERN U HAVE LIVE MUSIC INSIDE OR VOICER WHATEVER IT IS INSIDE IS THAT TO LOUD AND THOSE PEOPLE DESERVE TE TO ENJOY THEIR PROPERTIES HOWEVY WANT WITHOUT BEING INFRINGED UPY NOISE.
THE OTHER THING IS BECAUSE OF T0 IMAGES AND VIDEOS THAT SHOW SOME YOUNG PEOPLE GOING INTO THE COHD AND URINATING AND DEFECATING ANG WHAT ELSE, THROWING UP. WHAT KIND OF SECURITY. WOULD TA COMMITMENT TO HAVE TWO, THREE SY OFFICERS THERE AT NIGHT TO TAMPO ENSURE THAT THIS, THAT THESE PET GO ON SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY I APPROACH QUITE THE URBAN LIVINGU KNOW, I MEAN, IT'S DIFFERENT THN CHICAGO OR DOWNTOWN MINE MINE. A SUBURB. IT'S MENT TO BE QUIET E ARE I'LL SAY IT AGAIN, EXPENSIV PEOPLE BOUGHT THESE HOMES AND IA LOT OF TIME AND ENERGY IN THESED THEY WILL WANT TO RESELL THEM AE MONEY SIR. COUPLE QUESTIONS SIR.
WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE -- CAN E ONE SECOND?
>> THANK YOU I'M SORRY. I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO REPRESENTG THAT SHE WASN'T COMFORTABLE W. T NOISE TO ADDRESS THE NOISE ISSUE MANAGE THE PATRONS TO 80, WHICHT WAS CODE FOR THE RESTROOMS AND H PEOPLE INSIDE AND CLOSE THE OVES BECAUSE IT IS TEMPERED GLASS. S INSULATED DOORS. IT PROVIDES AH NOISE REDUCTION THAN PROBABLY AS JUST A STANDARD PLATE WINDOW WHT YOU STILL WANT TO HAVE BEING ON THE NEIGHBOR WHO SAY PERMANENT E DIDN'T HEAR THE NOISE. IT WAS E ON THE PATIO, WE WERE ON THE SI THE SIDES OF THE PERGOLA WERE UD PEOPLE WERE SPEAK. THE WAY IT'S CONSTRUCTED RIGHT NOW.
THE TREES AREN'T GROWN IN YET ON SO THERE'S A LOT OF HARD SURFACU COULD BE A BLOCK DOWN AND SAY SG AND HEAR T. IT WOULD JUST ECHO.% AWZ HAS ALWAYS SAID IT TOO, THEN THE NIGHT, THE LOUDER PEOPLE GE.
AND THE TALKING AND CHATTER, YOD CERTAINLY HEAR THAT.
WE KNOW WHEN PE WE PUSHED THEM E FACILITY, THE NOISE WAS NOT AN .
>> THE SECURITY PIECE. WE HAD A NUMBER OF THINGS. WHEN WE KNEWD
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BE BUSY, WE GOT SECURITY AND THE INCIDENCES AFTER NOVEMBER 1 COMO OCTOBER OR SEPTEMBER WHEN WE FID HAD DROPPED TO ALMOST NOTHING IE CONVERSATIONS WITH MR. RIDER ANE WURELL.IS IT A ZERO SOME GAME? IS THE OBJECTIVE PERFECT OR IS T "DMAWLINGSLY GOING TO HAPPEN? IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN. IT HAPPR
WE WERE CLOSED. >> IT WASN'T BECAUSE THEY WERE M THE GOAT AND WE WERE STILL TRYIO POLICE IT. WE HAD CAMERAS AND T ADDITIONAL FENCING UP AND PUT S WE PUT DETER ANSWER THAT IF WE E THEY WERE A CUSTOMER OF OURS, TD NOT BE ALOUD BACK IF THEY DID SG TOTE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY. AND P GETTING OTHER PATRONS TO HELP PT TOO. THEY WANTED IT OPEN. SO THEY WE RESMEK FULL AND WOULD HELP WITHD WE'RE GOING TO HAVE KNUCKLE HEAT LIKE EVERY BUSINESS DOES AND WEN OBLIGATION TO FIX IT AND ADDRESD MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T BECOME A RG THEME AND WE'RE ON LA INDICATEDG THAT. WE SHOWED THAT BETWEEN AD NOVEMBER 27TH OF 2021.
>> COUNSELOR WUR REL. THANK YOU. MY QUESTION IS DIRER
LEGAL TEAM MR. OR VERLANDER. >> AND I THINK WUR TRYING TO GIS COMFORT THAT THE CITY HAS TOOLSR TOOL BOX, PUBLIC NUISANCE, MR. L MENTIONED ATVC YOU HAD A COUPLE. AND MY QUESTION -- SO IT SOUNDST WHAT IMMEDIATELY POPPED IN MIE O OH OKAY IF WE HAVE SUCH GREAT TY HAVE WE NOT DEPLOYED THEM WHEN L POPPED UP ON US. WHAT IS DIFFEW
THAN OCTOBER OF 2020? >> WELL THE NOISE ORDINANCE HASN AMENDED SINCE THEM. THEN WELL. DO HAVE A MORE CLEAR NOISE ORDIE THAT'S MUCH MORE FORCEFUL THAN N PLACE PRIOR TO THAT. SO LET'S K ABOUT THAT A MINUTE, SO WHAT WOD MR. PAUL EXPECT FROM HIS ESTABLT BASED ON THE WAY OUR NOISE ORDIW READS?
>> SURE, SO YOU KNOW, THR THERED ACTUALLY THE COMMITMENTS ARE MOE STRINGENT THAN WHAT THE NOISE OE WOULD BE AS FAR AS IM PLA TIED T IS IN THE NOISE OR DANCE NA NOW. THERE ARE SPECIAL CARVE JOWTS FR BUSINESSES WITHIN 50 FEAST RESIL PROPERTIES. BUT I CAN GIVE YOUL REPORT ON THAT SEE EXACTLY WHATE ENFORCED?
>> AND HOW ABOUT PUBLIC NUISANCE MY RECOLLECTION WAS UNLESS THE E ACTUALLY WITNESSED, THERE WERE O MANY LOOP HOLES TO THAT WHOLE D, VI NO COMFORT THAT PUBLIC NUISAS GOING TO HELP US?.
>> WELL, I THINK NUISANCE CAN BA TOTALITY OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES TE WERE A LOT OF POLICE REPORTS THT ACCUMULATED FROM SEPTEMBER THROH NOVEMBER FOR THAT PROPERTY. SOS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LOOK AT AN ONGOING AND POSSIBLE NUISANCE TU KNOW THAT DISSTROIZ THE QUIET EF THE PROPERTY OF THE NEIGHBOR OOO YOU'RE SAYING THE A COUPLE TIFFT
>> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. >> OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FM
COUNSEL? >> SEEING NOFNLT I SAID EARLIERD LIKE TO GIVE THE PUBLIC AN OPPOO SPEAK. SHOW OF HANDS OF PEOPLED
LIKE TO SPEAK THIS EVENING. >> THREE. OKAY. WE HAVE THREE SO THREE MINUTES A PIECE AND WET FROM THE END OF THE ROOM THERE.D
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. >> MADAM SPEAKER AND COMMITTEE.K YOU. I APPRECIATE IT. I ACTUALLY. A PRESENTATION ALL PLANNED OUT ANE ASKED SUCH GREAT QUESTIONS THATM FUMBLING A LITTLE BIT SO A APPR. THANK YOU FOR ADDRESSING ALL TH.
>> THE THING THAT I WANT TO SAYE THING THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING AT IS THE CONSTANT NOISE EVERY EVET IS THE COMPLAINT THAT WE HAVE. E COMPLAINT THAT WE HAVE. I BELIA LOT OF THE ISSUES HAVE ATTEMPTEE HANDLED. HE HAS PUT A FENCE UPO KEEP PEOPLE GOING TO THE BATHROE BACK OF OUR GARAGE AND MULTIPLE WE'VE HEY GUN G- COMMUNICATION.E ONE COMPLAINT I HAVE IS THE COND ROAR THAT WE CAN HEAR SIGNED OU
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SO I JUST WANT TO ASK ONE QUESTT OKAY IF I ASK HIM SOMETHING.>> ISN'T DANNY BOY, A FAMILY FRY RESTAURANT?
>> YEAH, SO IT'S DIFFERENT THAN THE GOAT.
>> OKAY I JUST WANTED TO CLARIF. THAT I HAVE A PICTURE HERE OF TL YARD, THE SUN KING. OKAY. ANYE BUILDINGS AS YOU CAN SEE, THEY S THE GOAT. THE LITTLE RED, THE M THE GOAT GOES TO THOSE BUILDINGA STRAIGHT LINE AND REFLECTS BANGE NEIGHBORHOOD HERE SO THAT IS AND I WANTED THAT TO BE CLEAR. THAE NOISE IS SO LOUD. I HAVE A QUEE ABOUT THIS PICTURE. THESE ARE,A GARAGE DOOR, GLASS.
>> YES THIS IS A GARAGE DOOR GL. >> YES.
>> AND THE REST ARE VINYL? >> NO.
>> THE ONLY THING VINYL IS OUTSE THE SHRUBS ARE.
>> OKAY. OKAY. SO THESE DO NO? >> THEY ROLL UP?
>> SO THAT IS OPEN AIR? THESE THREE ON THE FRONT ARE OP?
THEY CAN BE, OKAY. >> SO SUN KING AND SOCIAL CAN TS CLIENTELE ARE A MIX OF ADULT ANY UNITS, THAT'S WHY YOU HAVEN'T RD COMPLAINTS ABOUT THEM. WE DON'R THOSE RESTAURANTS. AND THEIR WE PERMANENT. THEY ARE OUTSIDE SET THEIR WALLS ARE PERMANENT. SO E THING THAT I'M ASKING IS THAT IS BUILDING IS GOING TO BE APPROVET THERE WOULD BE THE COMMITMENT IF AN OUTSIDE CURFEW OF 10:00 P.M.A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTIONS, TU FOR ALL YOU ARE DOING TO MAKE TK WITH BOTH PARTIES, THE BUSINESSE NEIGHBORS, BUT 10:00 P.M. IS PAY DINNER TIME SO IF THIS ROAR, COT ROAR, OKAY. ANYWAY I WOULD LIKO PROPOSE THE COMMITMENT TO IF WEG FORWARD WITH THAT INSTEAD OF SAT IT'S 10:00 P.M., BOTTOM LINE, IE THE BUILDING TO BE ENCLOSED. SE GARAGE DOORS, THE VINYL, WHATEVN BE OPENED DOES NOT OPEN. HE HAO SEATING. YOU KNOW THERE'S OUTDG JUST LIKE ALL THE OTHER PLACES D THERE. LOVELY BUT I DON'T UNDEY THE GOAT WOULD BE ALLOWED TO BEY BUSINESS THAT IS ABLE TO REMOVER WALLS BASICALLY MAKINGIT A TWO .
>> OKAY. WE'LL WRAP IT UP HEREI APPRECIATE THE POINT THAT WAS M.
>> MY NAME IS JILL WINE MEYER. M NOT VERY ORGANIZED EITHER BECAUY APPRECIATED WHAT WAS SAID TONIGY PEOPLE ON THE CITY COUNSEL AND E TO SORT OF REACT TO WHAT YOU'VED INSTEAD OF WHAT I WAS GOING TO R WITH ME. I THINK ONE OF THE ISSUES WAS SF BROUGHT UP WAS THAT FOR THE FIRF COMMITMENTS, THE GOAT WAS ASKEDK BE LIMITED TO 80 PEOPLE VERSUS P REMEMBER HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE TE BEFORE, 230 OR SOMETHING LIKE T. AND JUST THE LIMIT IN THAT NUMBF PEOPLE MAY HAVE BEEN WHAT MADE E DIFFERENCE IN TERMS OF PROBLEMSE NEIGHBORS. BUT I HAVEN'T REALLD WHAT THE NUMBER OF LIMIT WOULD R PATRONS WOULD BE ABLE TO COME TT AND IF I'M GUESSING IF IT WERE , YOU WOULD PROBABLY NOT HAVE A LE ISSUES YOU WERE BEFORE. SO COUE UP WITH A NUMBER AND I'M NOT SAT IT SHOULD BE AND IF YOU 'DO DIDD THAT BE ENFORCED AND HOW WOULD E CHECKED?
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I WOULD SAY, I SHOULD OF STARTEY SAYING FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, IT THIS GOES BACK TO THE ISSUE THAS TRYING TO DEAL WITH NOW WHICH IR FUNCTION WHICH IS CAUSING A LOTS PROBLEM AND THAT THIS PARTICULAS IS MAYBE THERE'S SOME GOOD THINT BUT IT JUST IS TOO BIG TO BE INE THAT IT'S IN AND NO MATTER WHAT, THERE'S NO WAY I THINK THAT THET THE EXPECTATIONS IN THE CITY OFT PROPERTY SHOULD BE IN TERMS OF S AND A LOT OF OTHER THINGS. SO E A OPPOSED TO GOING HEAD. HOWEVT DOES, THEN AGREE WITH A LOT OF S THAT WERE SAID TONIGHT. AND I'L REALLY CONFUSED ABOUT WHAT PEOPE SAYING ABOUT THE TIME THAT IT WE CLOSED, WHEN ALCOHOL WOULD STOPG SERVED VERSUS THE TIME IT WOULD IF THE PLAN COMMISSION MEETING,T I HEARD THEM SAY THAT THE TIME E CLOSED, NOT THE TIME OF ALCOHOLS REALLY CONFUSED ABOUT THE COMMI.I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE ACTE TO BE SAYING THIS, BUT HAVING BE LAST, THE PLANNING COMMISSION MH THE FINAL VOTE, I WAS THERE ANDT VERY DISTURBING THAT INSTEAD OFT BACK TO COMMITTEE THAT THE PLAIS ALLOWED TO WORK AS THE COMMITTEE FASHION AT THIS FINAL VOTE AND E DIDN'T HAVE THE CHANCE TO RESPOT AT ALL. AND THAT SEEMED REALLYD AND UNFORTUNATE AND A HOPE THATT HAPPEN AGAIN. AND I THINK THAT, WOI JUST SAY, ONE MORE SENTENCE I'VE BEEN TO A LOT OF MEETINGS T PROPOSALS IN THE LAST TEN YEARSO MANY AND PEOPLE HAVE BROUGHT THS WITH THEM, THE DEVELOPERS, THEYE WRITTEN UP INFORMATION IN THE P THEY HAVE PROVIDED SO MUCH MORE INFORMATION THAN THIS PARTICULAL
>>> >> MY NAME IS ALLISON BROWN ANDT LIVE ANYWHERE NEAR THE GOAT OR I'M MORE HERE BECAUSE I'M CONCET THE PROCESS. THE FACT THAT THEY EMPLOYEES TOLD MR. PAUL THAT HED OPERATE A TAVERN UNDER A VARIANS FOR A BRUNCH LOCAL AND WHEN IT S DISCOVERED THAT THIS IS NOT A CT ABLE USAGE INSTEAD OF APOLOGIZIO MR. PAUL AND REIMBURSING HIM FOK COSTS WE ARE NOW IN THE PROCESSF REWRITING OREGON DA NANSZ TO ALW SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT FORESEENA RESIDENTIAL AREA. THIS SEEMS LY BAD IDEA TO ME.
>> I ALSO WANT TO SAY I HAVE RED DIFFERENT THINGS ABOUT WHEN THED CLOSE I HAD READ 11:00 DIEWR THD 12:00 ON WEEK NIGHTS. NOT ALCO I THINK THAT THE COMMITMENT TO O OUTDOOR SPEAKERS OR AT LEAST TUF AT 10:00, AT LEAST WOULD BE A VD IDEA BUT BASICALLY MR. PAUL SHOE REIMBURSED FOR HIS TROUBLE AND INAPPROPRIATE USE FOR THIS PROPD BE FOUND THAT IS EXTREMELY COMEE TO THE NEIGHBORS. THANK YOU.
>> YOU'LL HAVE TO EXCUSE ME. IH OF A PUBLIC SPEAKER.
>> COULD YOU STAID YOUR NAME PL. >> KEITH.
SORRY. I TOOKVER THE GOAT AT THE END OF DECEMBER AND A MENTIONED THIS AT HEARING WE HAD. I JUST FEEL LIY PEOPLE ARE GETTING THE WRONG IDT WHAT THE GOAT IS ABOUT. THE GOT THE WILD, WILD WEST AND WE'RE TO PUT THAT IN THIS AREA AND CHANG.
WE'RE LIKE EVERY OTHER BUSINESS. HOW IT IS VIEWED OR HOW IT'S BED IS THE CLIENTELE THAT WAS THERE0 OR 90 DAYS WHEN THEY OPENED. IT THINK ANYONE EXPECTED WHAT WOULN AND IT I DOARNT THINK THEY KNEWO HANDLE ITS. THEY COULD LET ME KNOW LEGAL WIR
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AS ANY INDEPENDENCES FROM NOVEMI WOULD SAY THEY ARE FEW AND FAR SO WE HAVE A NICE ESTABLISHMENTH FOOD AND DRINKS AND SO ON. WE'T THERE TO BE A NIGHTCLUB AND PARD CREATE RUCKUS. WE'RE JUST OFFEA RIGHT. A DIFFERENT LOOK TO EVERYONE ELS AROUND THERE. IF YOU'VE BEEN IE GOAT. IT'S NOT A CLUB. IT'S ND PLACE. THERE'S CUSTOM FINISHESA KIND, ALL KINDS OF THINGS IN TH.AND WHEN YOU READ THINGS IN THER ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENED NEXT DOORS LIKE THAT, IT'S HARD FOR US NOTY ANYTHING. WE'RE TRYING TO REMAT AND LET THINGS TAKE IT'S COURSEE PEERTDZ I DON'T WANT TO SAY MISS REPRESENTED IT BUT THERE ARE THT THEY ARE SAYING THAT TAKE PLACET HAVEN'T. AND WE'RE NOT HAPPY AT WENT ON EITHER. THERE WAS STUFE OUR PLACE THAT GOT TORE RUP. TE PLACES ON OUR PROPERTY WHERE WEO STOP PEOPLE FROM OUR NATEING WHR CLIENTELE OR OTHERS. AND I'M CN THERE WERE PEOPLE FROM THE GOATT ON HIS PROPERTY AND THERE WERE M OTHER PLACES THAT WENT ON HIS PS WELL. BUT WE'RE COMMITTED TO DT RIGHT JUST LIKE WE WERE AT THE E AGREED TO NOT HAVE ANY OUTDOOR WE AGREED TO SHUT THE DOORS ET D I THINK ALL WE'RE ASKING FOR ISE THING OTHER BUSINESSES AROUND TE GETTING. WE HAD THE SOCIAL CANA ACROSS THE STREET. 15, 20 FEETY HAVE AT LEAST 15 OUTDOOR SPEAKEE ZERO. WE HAVE DOORS THAT WILL N THAT HAVE CLASS WITH NO OUTDOOR I BET YOU COULD FIT 120 PEOPLE E SIDES. NO BARRIERS, NO TALK OF, NONE OF THAT AND IT'S 15 FEET FS CONNECTED TO RESIDENTIAL HOUSINF WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT APPLES AN, HERE'S ONE BUSINESS, HERE'S ANOR BUSINESS 15 FEET WAY. YOU CAN'T HAVE ANY SPEAKERS. HO HAVE YOUR DOORS DOWN. HERE YOUE 15 FEET WAY.
HERE'S YOUR C-2. HAVE 20 SPEAKS MUCH OUTDOOR SEATING AS YOU WANE WE'RE JUST LOOK FOR THE SAME PEN THAT EVERYONE AROUND THAT AREA O OFFER THE VARIETY THAT EVERYONEG FOR ON THE GROWN WAY.
>> ALL THE RIGHT. CLOIRN AASENU GOING TO READ A LETTER INTO THE?
>> A LETTER THAT WE WANTED TO RO THE RECORD FOR MR. ALAN COHEN AS GOES OVER TIME, I APOLOGIZE. MEMBERS OF THIS CARMEL CITY COUY NAME IS ALL EAN COHEN. I'M THEF THE HOME 248 SECOND AVENUE SOUTT ADJACENT TO THE GOAT. WAYS UNAF THIS MATTER COME BEFORE THE COUN FEBRUARY 17TH AND NOT ABLE TO PO YOU IN PERSON MY STRONG KS OS TE REQUEST. FOR THAT I'M OFFERING MY CONCERD REQUESTS IN THIS LETTER AND APPU TAKING TIME TO CONSIDER WHAT I'.
I HAVE FOR THE THRAFT TWO YEARSO CORRECT THE HORRIBLE DECISION MY THE CITY LEADERS TO KNOWINGLY ON CLEAR VIOLATION OF EXISTING LONG LAWS AND REMAIN OPEN FOR SIX MOY DESPITE THE EVIDENCE PRESENTED F THE ATROCITIES IT COMD THROUGHOE SNAIB HOOND ADD THROUGH THE NEID PROPERTIES. THIS A MESS THAT SHOULD OF NEVEN ALLOWED TO HAPPEN AND NOW THE CR SCHING FOR A WAY ON IT'S OWN MAE AND SACRIFICE THE HOME OWNERS AT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE TAVERN WOULD NOT PROTECT BUE THE MON NONE SAFETY OF THE GREET WOULD NOT PROMOTE THE HEALTH, S, COMFORT AND CONVENIENCE AND GENE WITH ALL OF THE GENERAL NEIGHBOD DECREASE, NOT INCREASE OUR PROPY VALUES, OUR REAL ESTATE INVESTMD NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY.
IT WOULD BE A HARD CONTRAST IN R PROPERTIES AND NOT PROTECT THEMH BUFFERING. ALL THESE STANDARDSD REQUIREMENTS ARE SETFORTH IN THG CARMEL CLAY PLAN AND CITY WIDE S AND OBJECT TIFERS OR CENTRAL POD OBJECTIVES IN THE OVERTOWN OVERI WAS MAZED AS I READ THE DCOS RED HOW FRUSTRATED THEY WERE WITH TF COOPERATION THERE THE PETITIONE.
THEY PROVIDE A REFEW SHALL TO TG RECOMMENDATION TO SEEK A B-7 RAA B-2. AND THERE ARE MANY REASONS WHY O DOES NOT FIT FOR THE PROPERTY AY THE PETITION NERS QUESTION. ASL ENBAW SAID TO ME AT LAST COMMISR MEETING. THEY AGREED TO A BFNLE
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BECAUSE THE PROPERTY IS TOO SMAO WITH THE WITH PETITIONER WANTS D MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF A B.-7 REZONE.QUALIFY. AND THE OWN ADMISSIONN SENSE IN FOLLOWING EXISTING RULD REGULATIONS IN THE LAW WOULD CLY INDICATE IF THE PETITIONER CAN'S PROPERTY ASSIST WANTS AND OPERAR THE NOSE ACCURATE AND ZONING CLASSIFICATION WHICH IS B.-7 THY THIS IS NOT USED PORT PROPERTY.R THE NEIGHBORS AND RESIDENTS A VO THE PROPERTY WILL BE FORCED TO D DENIED OTHER NECESSARY PROTECTID ZONING LAWS AND OTHERS RULES WOD PROVIDE. FOR THESE AND ALL THER REASONS I PRESENTED THE CITY COE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS I WOULD REN AGAINST THE ZONING CHANGE AND RF THE GOAT AND ASK THAT THE GOAT'R REZONE B.-2 TO BE DENIED. I WOY GRANT THIS I WOULD SUBMIT THAT F THE PETITION NERS IS INADEQUATEM BILL YOU OWSSMENTS THE COMMITMEE DISCUSSED AND AGREED TO BY THE COMMISSIONER WITHOUT ALLOWING AR PUBLIC DISCOURSE SITIONS OR INPA TENDED THIS HEARING MEETING WITA END TENDED THIS WEARING. I'M S, LOSING PLACE HERE. I ATTENDED S HEARING MEETING AND AS A LARRY D SUBMIT THERE WAS NOTHING JUDICII JUDICIAL WITH THIS PROCESS AND D BE CORRECTED BIT CITY. DURING G THE COMMISSIONER ORDERED TO CLON WEEKENDS AND THE HANDWRITTEN NOE USED AS THE ONLY RECORD OF THE S CHOSE TO CHANGE THE ORAL COMMITD CHANGE ALCOHOL SERVICE. AND CL.
AND I AND MANY OTHERS SEE A BIGS WOI ASK ACTUAL THAT THE ACTUAL F COMMITMENT BE USED. AND AN IMPT PIECE OF COM IS COMMITMENT TO ET AND IT APPEARS THE PLAN COMMISST A NEIGHBORHOOD HOT LINE WOULD B.
THIS IS CLEARLY INSUFFICIENT. E NEIGHBORS OF THE CITIZENS AND RO CALL THE GOAT AND TELL THEM THEE VIOLATING IT'S OWN COMMITMENTS.N IT'S FACE IS RIDICULOUS AND VIOR OWN COMMITMENTS UNTIL A NEIGHBOD ASKS THEM TO STOP. ALSO CONCERS THE FACT THAT THERE'S NO APPARET CONSEQUENCES FOR VIOLATIONS. HY TIMES CAN THE PETITION NER VIE T PERFORMANCE BEFORE THE CONSEQUEE PHONE CALL. WHO WILL TRACK THEE VIOLATION LAZ AND ALSO RECEIPT E BUILT OF THE NEIGHBOR SNZ WHAT E CONSEQUENCES. I WOULD THINK THT WOULD ALSO WANT THIS INFORMATIOS THERE NO ENFORCEMENT RESPONSIBIE CITY TO MONITOR AND MAKE SURE TE COMMITMENTS ARE NOT VIE LOIT LAO REAL DENIGRATED OR CONSEQUENCESS ALL BECOMES MEANING LESS AND THL PLAIK US LOOK FOOLISH. I RESPEE REQUEST OF THE CITY COMMISSIONEO REQUEST RD TO B2 AND IF THEY ARD TO GRANT THE CHANGE I WOULD ASKY A GRES THE ISSUES I RAISED AND Y FEEL IMPORTANT TO PROTECT OUR NS AND PRESS RESIDENTS. THANK YOU.
>>> AM RIGHT. THANK YOU COUNSE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE CO? THIS WILL REPLAIN IN COMMITTEE.R THE NEXT MEETING WE WOULD LIKE E ARCHITECT TO BE HERE FROM THE BF THE MEETING. WE'LL WORK ON SOMS THAT WORK FOR THE MAJORITY OF TL BECAUSE I'D LIKE FOR EVERYBODY E AND MR. PAUL, IF YOU COULD BE HM THE START OF THE MEETING AS WEL.
>> ALL RIGHT. AND WITH THAT WEE ADJOURNED.
>> I'M SORRY. >> JUST FOR YOUR AWARENESS, PER, COUNSEL HAS 90 DAYS TO ACT ON TR CERTIFICATION BY THE PLANNING CN WHICH WAS AROUND THE 21 OF DECEO MARCH 21 WOULD BE ABOUT WHEN COD
>> OTHERWISE THE ORDINANCE WOULE EFFECT, THE REZONE WOULD TAKE ER WHAT WAS SETFORTH IN THE PLAN CN COMMITMENTS.
>> CAN I ALSO ASK ONE QUESTION? >> CAN I ASK ONE QUESTION?
>> SURE. >> IF THEY DO, IF WE DO MAKE CHO THE COMMITMENTS, THAT WOULD HAVO BACK.
>> ONLY IF THEY ARE LESS STRING. OKAY I JUST WANT THAT TO BE OUTE PUBLIC FOR EVERYBODY TO KNOW IFS ARE MADE.
>> OKAY. THANK YOU. NOW WE
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