May 16, 2022 City Council Meeting 05-16-22

[1. CALL TO ORDER]

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THIS CARMEL CITY COUNCIL MAY 16 MEETING. CALL TO ORDER AND FIRST I HAVE AGENDA APPROVAL.

[2. AGENDA APPROVAL]

>> MOVED TO APPROVE. >> SECOND. >> ANY DISCUSSION? SHE'S GETTING MORE AGENDAS. WORKING TO DO A ROLL CALL. [LAUGHTER].

[3. INVOCATION]

HERE SIR. >> THANK YOU, IT'S GOOD TO BE HERE. THANK YOU FOR THE SUPPORT OF THE COMMUNITY AND YOUR INVESTMENT IN THE COMMUNITY. WE ARE JUST DOWN THE ROAD A COUPLE OF MINUTES. WE WANT TO SERVE ANYWAY WE CAN. LET'S PRAY TOGETHER. FATHER, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENCE, THANK YOU FOR YOUR GRACE. I PRAY YOU GIVE WISDOM TO THE COUNCIL TONIGHT AND TO ALL THE FOLKS THAT ARE INVOLVED. WOULD YOU LEAD OUR THOUGHTS AND STEPS AND MAY CARMEL BE A LIGHT THAT SHINES IN THIS ENTIRE AREA. WE THANK YOU, WE LOVE YOU, IN

[4. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]

JESUS' NAME, AMEN. >> PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. COUNSELOR

GREEN. >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND

JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> NEXT, WE HAVE RECOGNITION OF CITY EMPLOYEES AND OUTSTANDING

[5. RECOGNITION OF CITY EMPLOYEES AND OUTSTANDING CITIZENS]

CITIZENS. I THINK WE NEED OUR FIRE CHIEF. >> GOOD EVENING COUNCILMEMBERS MY NAME IS DAVE ? ON THE FIRE CHIEF. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO COME AND CELEBRATE WONDERFUL OUTCOME FOR THE CITY OF CARMEL FIRE DEPARTMENT AND POLICE DEPARTMENT. ESPECIALLY FOR ONE OF OUR FAMILIES OUR COMMUNITY. THE UBER FAMILY. BEFORE WE PLAY A SHORT VIDEO HERE EXPLAINING THE SET OF CIRCUMSTANCES, I WANT TO TAKE A BRIEF MOMENT TO INTRODUCE OUR NEW EMS CHIEF. THIS IS ANDREW YOUNG. HE JUST BECAME OUR EMS CHIEF LAST WEEK. WELCOME ANDREW. [APPLAUSE] AT THIS POINT WE WILL PLAY A VIDEO AND

LET YOU FIND OUT THE EXCITING NEWS. >> HI MY NAME IS VERA UBER, JUNIOR AT OUR HIGH SCHOOL. YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR ABOUT MY FAMILY AND ABOUT HOW IMPORTANT

EMT TRAINING IS AND HOW IT CAN SAVE A LIFE. [LAUGHTER] >> SUNDAY, APRIL 25 OF 2021 I WAS HOME LANE WITH VERA. WE JUST HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF DINNER AND IT BROKE IN A GAME OF TAG. WE WERE CHASING AROUND. SHE CHASING ME AND GIGGLING AND SQUEALING. AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN I HEARD A THUD. THE SOUND STOPPED. I TURNED BACK TO HER AND FOUND HER LAYING ON THE FLOOR. WHEN I APPROACHED HER WAS WAITING FOR THAT MOMENT WHERE THE KID STARTS TO CRY. IT BECAME CLEAR TO ME VERY QUICKLY THAT SOMETHING EXTRA WAS WRONG. HER EYES WERE OPEN BUT NOT AVAILABLE. I WANT TO SCOOP HER UP SHE WAS LIMP.

>> I WAS UPSTAIRS IN MY ROOM WORKING ON HOMEWORK ON A SUNDAY NIGHT AND I HEARD MY DAD YELLING NORA, NORA! I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO THINK OF IT, HE WAS ON CALL 911, CALL 911. BY THE TIME I GOT DOWNSTAIRS AND DIALED THE GOT TO TALKING TO SOMEONE MY DAD WAS SITTING IN

THE KITCHEN AND VERA WAS LAYING ON THE FLOOR. >> AS IT NORA WAS ON THE PHONE SPEAKING TO THE 911 OPERATOR AND BEGINNING TO GIVE THEM INFORMATION IN THE ROOM I WAS

STARTING KIND OF MY VERSION OF CPR APPEARED AND COMPRESSIONS. >> WHEN I WAS ON THE PHONE THE 911 OPERATOR ASKED FOR AN ADDRESS AND STARTED ENTERING IT INTO THE SYSTEM. WE WERE TERRIFIED. WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. AT FIRST WE THOUGHT VERA MAY HAVE HIT HER HEAD.

BUT THEN I WENT OPERATOR KNEW WHAT WAS GOING ON AND SHE TOLD US EVERYTHING WAS GOOD TO BE

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HAPPENING. >> I WAS STRUCK LOOKING BACK ON IT. HOW MUCH THE CALM AND TRAINED VOICE OF THE 911 DISPATCHER WAS ABLE TO PULL US, NORA AND I INTO DOING WHAT WE NEEDED TO DO IN THOSE FEW MOMENTS UNTIL THAT CARMEL POLICE DEPARTMENT AND FIRE DEPARTMENT COULD TAKE OVER THE CPR PORTION OF THIS AND DO WHAT NEEDED TO BE DONE IN TERMS OF DEPLOYING AN AUTO DEFIBRILLATOR TO TALK HER BACK INTO LIFE WITH US. IF YOU GET HOLD OF THE RIGHT PEOPLE WITH THE LIGHT TURNING PEOPLE CAN TAKE CARE OF GUIDING YOU THROUGH THINGS.

>> 1000 PEOPLE SUFFER OUT OF HOSPITAL CARDIAC ARREST EVERY DAY. DURING CARDIAC ARREST CHANCES OF SURVIVAL DECREASES SIGNIFICANTLY WITHIN THE FIRST 3 MINUTES IF CPR IS NOT GIVEN.

THAT'S WHY THE CARMEL FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS INITIATIVES TO TEACH CPR TO AS MANY PEOPLE AS WE CAN AND TO PLEASE DEFIBRILLATOR'S WERE AEDS AND AS MANY PUBLIC PLACES AS POSSIBLE. EVERY CARMEL POLICE DEPARTMENT AND CERTIFIED IN CPR AND THEY HAVE AEDS IN THEIR CARS AS WELL. BECAUSE THE PATROL OFFICERS ARE MOBILE AND PLACED STRATEGICALLY THROUGHOUT THE CITY THEY CAN SOMETIMES ARISE BEFORE WE EVEN GET THERE. BE SURE TO FOLLOW THE CARMEL FIRE DEPARTMENT ON SOCIAL MEDIA OR VISIT OUR WEBSITE FOR MORE INFORMATION ON THESE

INITIATIVES. >> 'S SENSE OF FEAR IS CARDIAC ARREST SHE'S BEEN DIAGNOSED WITH A RARE AND SEVERE CARDIAC ARRHYTHMIA CONDITION CALLED MODULE AND APATHY. WHAT WE KNOW NOW THAT WE DIDN'T KNOW THEN IS LESS THAN 10 PERCENT OF OUT OF HOSPITAL CARDIAC ARREST EVEN RESULT IN SURVIVAL APPEARED IN THE NUMBER OF COGNITIVELY INTACT SURVIVAL IS LESS THAN 4 PERCENT. THERE IS NO QUESTION IN OUR MINDS THAT LAST SPRING WE LIVED A MIRACLE WHERE ALL OF THE PIECES CAME TOGETHER PERFECTLY TO PROVIDE THE CPR, INTERVENTION, THE EMERGENCY SERVICES QUICKLY ARRIVING IN THE AEG TREATMENT THAT ULTIMATELY REVIVED OUR

DAUGHTER'S LIFE. >> AS WE APPROACH OUR ONE YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF URIS'S SUDDEN CARDIAC ARREST OUR FAMILY HAS CONSIDERED HOW TO BEST HONOR OUR STORY, OUR MIRACLE STORY OF HOW ALL OF THE SERVICES AND PIECES FIT TOGETHER PERFECTLY TO RESULT IN OUR DAUGHTER BEING WITH US STILL TODAY. WE'VE REFLECTED HOW TO BEST HONOR THAT IS TO REALLY CHAMPION AND INVITE OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS, OUR FRIENDS, OUR FAMILY AND PEOPLE THAT WILL SURROUND VERA AND OTHERS WITH PERHAPS THE SKILLS NECESSARY IN AN EMERGENCY SITUATION. WE KNOW OUR OUTCOME MAY HAVE BEEN VERY, VERY DIFFERENT WITHOUT IMMEDIATE AND BRAVE CPA INTERVENTION. THE PROVIDED VERA WITH THE TIME AND OXYGEN TO BE READY FOR THE PROFESSIONALS TO WALK-IN AND ULTIMATELY SAVE HER LIFE. SO WE INVITE AND PETITION AND HONORING VERA AND OUR STORY, YOU TO LEARN THE SAME SKILLS THAT MAY BENEFIT OUR LITTLE

GIRL OR YOURS AT SOME TIME IN THE FUTURE. [APPLAUSE] >> RETHINKING THAT UBER FAMILY TO SHARE YOUR STORY. AS OF NOW SHE'S DOING GREAT. SHE'S MADE A FULL RECOVERY AS OF RIGHT NOW. SHE ABSOLUTELY HAS DEFIED THE ODDS WITH THE HELP OF HER BIG SISTER NORA WHO WAS HERE TONIGHT AND MATT AND AARON ARE HERE WITH US. WE THANK THEM FOR SHARING THE STORY. I'M GONNA ASK THAT YOU MIKE FAMILY TO COME UP HERE WITH JUST A FEW COMMENTS.

>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND FOR GIVING US THE PLATFORM TO SPEAK. AS THE VILLA DEAL HIGHLIGHTS OUR OUTCOME WAS SPECTACULAR. WE ARE ABOUT LAST AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT OUT HOW TO MAKE THAT MOVE FORWARD AND HOW WE CAN DO IT. WRITE A FEW THINGS DOWN BECAUSE I TEND

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ON APRIL 24, YOU SAW THE STORY. VARIOUS LIFE WAS SAVED IN A SENSE AND SO WAS MINE AND OURS AND WHO KNOWS HOW MANY OTHERS IN HER LIFETIME. FROM THE 911 DISPATCHER TO THE CARMEL FIRE DEPARTMENT TO THE POLICE DEPONENT BUSTING THROUGH THE DOOR. THEY WERE PERFECT. THE TRAINING THE CITY PROVIDES, THE PEOPLE THEY HIRE. IT'S REMARKABLE AND IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE. WE WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR IT AND THAT MISSION, OUR MISSION IS TO BE TO TRY TO MAKE SURE WE SUPPORT AND PUT A FACE IF WE CAN TO AS MUCH BY STANDARD CPR AND ADA TRAINING AS POSSIBLE. THE FIRST FEW MINUTES ARE SO CRITICAL. IT COULD BE YOUR DAUGHTER, IT COULD BE MY DAUGHTER, COULD BE A FRIEND, COULD BE A BROTHER, A MOTHER APPEARED BUT, I WASN'T PREPARED HONESTLY. WHEN THIS HAPPENED. I AM LUCKY THAT I REACTED THE WAY I REACTED. I WOULD'VE REACTED BETTER BUT TRAINING. I LIVED FOR DAYS AND WEEKS WORD MY REACTION WASN'T GOOD ENOUGH AND IT WOULD'VE COST US SOMETHING. THICKLY IT DID NOT.

SINCE EVENT WE'VE WORKED WITH THE CARMEL FIRE DEPARTMENT. THE DAY WE BROUGHT HER HOME FROM THE SCHOOL I'M SORRY THE HOSPITAL. BRENT SHOWED UP WHO WAS SPEAKING THE VIDEO INTO THE TRAINING FOR OUR FAMILY AND OUR NEIGHBORS AND THE PEOPLE THAT WILL SURROUND HER IMMEDIATELY AND DID THAT. SINCE THEN THIS VIDEO WAS PUT TOGETHER RELATE BY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THEIR TEAM AND WHAT THEY DO. BUT IT WAS DONE BY THEM. IT WAS SHOWN TO 5300 SCHOOL INSPECT CARMEL HIGH SCHOOL TO FURTHER THEIR TRAINING. NO THEY GET TRAINING BUT WITH COVID WE HAVE TO PUSH IT OUT AS MANY TIMES AS POSSIBLE. IT PLAYED AT A RESOURCE TIME THERE. WE'VE GOT SOME ANNOUNCEMENTS COMING UP ABOUT FUTURE THINGS WITH AEDS. ALSO PLANNING IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO BE AT MIDTOWN ON THE 28TH FROM 2 ? 6 PM OFFERING PASSERSBY AND PEOPLE WE CAN INVITE TO COME, TOUCH AND FEEL THE MANIKINS.

TO LEARN CPR. TICKET IN TOUCH WITH THE TRAINING. IT COULD CHANGE ANY FAMILIES LIFE. SO, WE ARE THANKFUL. THAT THE COUNCIL HAS BEEN SUPPORTED OF IT. WE'VE BEEN TOUCHED BY THE EFFORTS OF THE CITY AND THE SUPPORT YOU GIVE THEM AND WE ASK THAT IT BE THERE AND WE CONTINUE TO DO IT. IT'S BEEN WONDERFUL. SO THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE]

>> ONCE AGAIN, CARMEL PUBLIC SAFETY IS HOSTING HANDS ONLY CPR EVENT ON SATURDAY, MAY 28 IN MIDTOWN FROM 2 ? 6 PM. IN THE AFTERNOON. THE PUBLIC IS WELCOME TO COME BY. WE WILL SHOW YOU HOW TO USE A BLEEDING CONTROL KIT. WE WILL HAVE AEDS THERE AS WELL AND WE WILL TEACH HANDS-FREE I'M SORRY HANDS ONLY CPR AT THAT EVENT. WE LOOK FORWARD TO MORE TRAININGS LIKE THIS. SO THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME THIS EVENING.

>> COUNSELOR WORRELL? >> THANK YOU PRESIDENT. IT IS MY HONOR TO KIND OF PIGGY BANK WITH THIS ANNOUNCEMENT TO LET EVERYONE KNOW HERE TONIGHT THAT THE CITY OF CARMEL WILL BE INSTALLING 4 SAFE STATIONS ALONG THE MONON. THE FIRST SAFE STATION WHICH WILL INCLUDE AN AED AND A STOP THE BLEED KIT WILL BE PLACED AT MIDTOWN ON THE MONON TRAIL AND WE WILL HAVE THE RIBBON-CUTTING ON MAY 25 AT 1 O'CLOCK. THIS HAS BEEN A PARTNERSHIP WITH INDIVIDUALS.

THE UBER AND LINDER FAMILY AS WELL AS OTHER FAMILIES IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE MANUFACTURER'S AND DEPARTMENTS WITHIN THE CITY WHO WERE ABLE TO HELP US SCROUNGE TOGETHER SOME EXTRA FUNDS IN ORDER TO PLACE THE FIRST 4. I WANT TO THANK BOLDT FOR THE HEART AND ALSO BE LIKE BILL WHICH ARE BOTH NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS THAT HELP PLACE AEDS. WE HAVE RECEIVED ADDITIONAL FUNDING TO ADD MORE AEDS HOPEFULLY TO THE NORTH AND SOUTHERN TERMINATIONS

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1 O'CLOCK. [APPLAUSE] >> I WANT A SAFE UK FOR THAT PRESENTATION TO SUPPORT THE FAMILY DO NOT FEEL BAD IF YOU GET UP AND LEAVE. IT'S NOT RUDE. WE UNDERSTAND. NEXT WE

[6. RECOGNITION OF PERSONS WHO WISH TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL]

EVERYONE HAS 3 MINUTES. WHEN 30 SECONDS IS LEFT THE LIGHT WILL GO YELLOW. VETERANS READ YOUR TIME IS UP. HOPEFULLY YOU TIMED YOUR COMMENTS BECAUSE OF THE RED LIGHT GOES OFF IN YOUR NEAR THE END FINISH HER SENTENCE, DO NOT FINISH MULTIPLE PARAGRAPHS AFTER THAT.

ANY FORM OF DEMONSTRATION, THIS IS A BUSINESS MEETING. NOT CLAPPING, STANDING, CHEERING.

LET'S KEEP IT BUSINESSLIKE. STARTING OUT OUR FIRST SPEAKER WILL BE VIRGINIA KERR.

>YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS TO TURN THE MICROPHONE ON. AT THE BASE. THERE'S A BUTTON AT

THE BASE. >> OKAY. I'M VIRGINIA KERR. I'M AN ELECTED PRECINCT REPUBLICAN PRECINCT COMMUNITY PERSON. THEREFORE IT'S IMPORTANT THAT I'M HERE BECAUSE ALSO SERVED ON THE CITY COUNCIL FROM 1980 TO 1984. JUST A FEW YEARS AGO. PROBABLY WANTING TO TELL YOU MY STORY. I ALSO SERVED ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION FROM 1976 WAS APPOINTED THE FIRST MAYOR OF CARMEL. I THINK IT WAS MAYOR PICKETT, RIGHT? THEN WAS 6 YEARS ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION. I WANT TO SAY MY HEART GOES OUT TO BRUCE AND HIS FAMILY. AND GOD BLESSED THEM. THIS SHOULD BE PERSONAL. IT SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON A SYSTEM.

JUST LIKE WHEN PRESIDENT LINCOLN WAS ASSASSINATED THERE WAS A WAY TO CONTINUE THE GOVERNMENT. WHEN RONALD REAGAN WAS THE ATTEMPTED ASSASSINATION, WHAT HAPPENED WAS IT WAS A WAY FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO GO ON. I WILL SAY THAT MY HEART AND THOUGHTS GO OUT TO BRUCE AND HIS FAMILY. IT SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT IS A SYSTEM NOT PERSONAL. THEN I WILL TELL YOU A LITTLE STORY. CAN YOU THINK BACK A LITTLE OVER 1/4 OF A CENTURY AGO? WE WERE MEETING, THE CITY OF CARMEL WAS MEETING, WHAT WAS THE CARNEGIE LIBRARY. NOW, NOW IT'S WOODY'S LIBRARY RESTAURANT. THE CITY WAS MEETING THERE. FIRST OF ALL THIS IS ALL ABOUT AN IDEA. FOCUSING ON RIGHT IDEAS AND RIGHT THOUGHTS. AND THERE'S NOT ONE PERSON HERE TONIGHT THAT DOESN'T HAVE A GOOD THOUGHT ABOUT WHAT THEY THINK NEEDS TO BE DONE OR WHATEVER. I VIVIDLY RECALL SITTING IN THE BASEMENT WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION WAS MEETING. I SAID, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT MERIDIAN STREET? AND AS A RESULT OF ASKING THAT QUESTION THE THIN, WELL, GEORGE SWEET, EVERYONE REMEMBERS GEORGE SWEET WAS A PRIMARY DEVELOPMENT THEN. THERE WERE OTHER PEOPLE IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION. THERE WAS A CITY PLANNER. THOSE PEOPLE ALL GOT TOGETHER AND THEY BEGAN TO SAY WHAT WE GONNA DO ABOUT MERIDIAN STREET? OMI QUESTION ALSO WAS, IS IT GOING TO BE ABOUT LIKE 52ND AND KEYSTONE? IN THE POINT, MY YELLOW LIGHTS GOING ON. AS A RESULT OF THAT I WAS PRESIDENT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN 1980 /81. WE APPROVED THE MERIDIAN CORRIDOR

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IDEAS. >> THANK YOU. >> NEXT TO HAVE KELLY BASKET.

>> HELLO, WHEN IT WAS KELLY BASKET, LOCAL RESIDENT. I WANTED TO DISCUSS THE IMPORTANCE THAT I HAVE IN MY HEART ABOUT THE TIMING O THIS TIPPED FUNDING. NOT LIKE KENT'S FUNDING AN AWESOME PROJECT I'M AGAINST FUNDING IT BEFORE THEIR MODIFICATIONS BECAUSE AS THE DESIGN STANDS NOW, IT'S CONTRARY TO THE CARMEL UTO. THAT 35 FOOT FOR PRINCIPAL BUILDING HEIGHT IS EXCEEDED BY 100 PERCENT. IT IS DOUBLE OF WHAT IS ALLOWABLE AND I REALLY WANT TO SEE SOME MODIFICATIONS. LOOKS LIKE AN AWESOME PROJECT. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE MODIFICATIONS. AND IT'S NOT FAIR TO THE RESIDENTS TO A BUT TO A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME NEIGHBORHOOD AND NOT GO BY THE UTO. AND SO JUST WONDER IF THERE IS A BETTER TIME. CAN THERE BE SOME REVISIONS TO THE DESIGN BEFORE IT'S FUNDED? I THINK IT WON'T COME BACK TO CITY COUNCIL AGAIN. WOULDN'T IT GO TO THE BZA? PLANNING COMMISSION? THEN HAVE A MOMENTUM AT THAT POINT. WON'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK HERE TO HAVE YOU ALL SAY YAY OR NAY. BASICALLY YOU'RE SAYING YAY, NOW IF THE FUNDING IS GIVEN. THE WAY I SEE IT.

THAT'S WHY I'M NOT AGAINST THE FUNDING OF IT. IF THE TIMING OF THE FUNDING OF IT. ONCE THINGS ARE BUILT WE CAN'T GO BACK. THE MIDTOWN WAS DESIGNED WITH THE HOLISTIC APPROACH.

SO, THIS IS THE TOP OF THAT INDUSTRIAL AREA. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE IF THERE IS THE HOLISTIC PLAN FOR HOW THAT INDUSTRIAL AREA COULD BE DEVELOPED. AND THE YOU DO HAS THINGS IN PLACE FOR OUR PROTECTION, THE RESIDENCE. IT'S NOT THE PROTECTION OF THE DOUBLE BAR. IT'S NOT. IT'S FOR OUR PROTECTION AND I WANT TO THAT UPHELD. I WANT TO SEE IT RESPECTED. I WANT TO SEE THE RULES RESPECTED. IT'S FOR OUR PROTECTION AND IT WAS VERY SPECIFICALLY PUT INTO PLAY TO C2 AS MODIFIED I THINK ABOUT 6 YEARS AGO OR 7 YEARS AGO.

PRIMARILY ABOUT THIS. SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES WOULD'VE BUT TO DEVELOPMENT. THAT'S WHY IT WAS REVISED. I WANT TO SEE THAT STICK. I REALLY DON'T WANT TO SEE THE MOMENTUM OF THIS PROJECT HAVE THIS PROPOSED PLAN BUILT. IT'S WRONG. IT'S WRONG. 6 STORIES NEXT TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS WRONG. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WANT TO SLICE IT, CUT IT. WHATEVER. IT'S WRONG.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THINGS RESPECTED. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU.

>> DAVID, I SAW YOU COME IN. YOU WERE NEXT. THERE YOU ARE. YOU'LL TRY.

>> I BACK ON. HEY THANKS GUYS I'M DAVE GAGLIANO I'M A RESIDENT HERE. I LIVED IN JOHNSON ADDITION. I'VE BEEN A LONG TIME CARMEL RESIDENT. MOVE BACK HERE CHOSE TO RETIRE HERE. I LOVE THE CITY. I'VE SEEN SO MUCH HAPPENED SINCE 1975 WHEN I FIRST MOVED HERE AS A LITTLE KID. IT IS A GREAT CITY. THERE'S SO MUCH GOOD GOING ON. AS KELLY SAID THERE IS JUST ISSUES GOING ON WITH TODAY, FIRST OFF I WOULD ACKNOWLEDGE THE AWESOME VIDEO.

I HAD TEARS STREAMING TO MY EYES. IT WAS INCREDIBLE. THANK YOU TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IF YOU'RE STILL HERE FOR DOING EVERYTHING. MY BIGGEST ISSUE WHEN WE LOOK AT THE SCALES THERE SO MUCH GOOD ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT, THE PROPOSED PROJECT WITH A PURE.

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RIGHT NOW THERE SO MANY CONSTITUENTS FIGHTING ONE WAY, THE OTHER WAY. I THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US, BEFORE WE APPROVE A TIF THAT NEEDS BZA APPROVALS AND ALL THE OTHER ELEMENTS TO KNOW WHETHER THE ELEMENTS WILL BE APPROVED. THIS IS TRULY BAND GATES AND BUBBLEGUM PUTTING THIS THING TOGETHER. AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW WITH ALL THE VARIOUS PIECES. YOUR BREAKING UP A NEIGHBOHOOD, RETAKING AREAS THAT WHEN I BUILT MY HOUSE I WAS NOT ALLOWED TO DO IN TERMS OF MOVING MY HOUSE IN ANY DIRECTION FROM THE CURB TO PRESERVE THE JOHNSON ADDITION NEIGHBORHOOD. RIGHT NOW WERE GOING TO PUSH THAT FORWARD WHICH MAKES SENSE. THE 2-STORY BUILDINGS MAKE SENSE. I'M ALL FOR THAT IN TERMS OF THE SIZE.

NOT FOR TAKING THE BACKYARD GOING IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WE DIDN'T WANT ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS. WE DID NOT HAVE ANY SPLIT LOSS. NOT ONLY ARE WE THINKING OF DOING A SPLIT LOT IN THE BACK OF THESE HOMES. WORKING PUT UP 35,000 SQUARE-FOOT BUILDING IN THE BACKYARD OF SOMEONE'S HOME NEXT GUYS, BEFORE WE APPROVE THE TIF OUR BROTHER KNOW ALL THE OUTCOMES WERE DETERMINED BEFORE HE PURSUED WITH THE FUNDING. SOME OF THE FUNDING IS JUST GETTING IT DONE. ANOTHER TIME. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. I APPRECIATE EVERYONE SO QUICK

THANK YOU. VERY GOOD. >> MY NAME IS VERY GOOD, THANK YOU. 11 CARMEL. EVEN THOUGH WE'VE HAVE REPRESENTATION FROM THE AT-LARGE COUNSELORS AND STILL THE PROBLEM IS WE LACK A LOCAL REP THAT MAY HAVE TO LOOK AT THE SECOND TALLEST STRUCTURE IN CARMEL FROM THEIR BACKYARD.

IT WILL BE A RESIDENT OF OUR AREA. RATHER THAN VIEWING IT AS A TAX ENTITY WHICH MAY BE A FEW OTHER PEOPLE DO. THE PLAN IS DESIGNED, IT REQUIRES A REZONING OF THE 2 LOTS LIKE DAVE SAID. MATT IS TO SQUEEZE THIS THING IN TO FIT ALL THE STRUCTURES. SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS TO CHANGE THAT. FOR THIS TO GO AHEAD. I THINK IT'S TO EARLY FOR YOU TO VOTE ON IT. THE 20 YEAR TAX ABATEMENT PROPOSAL PRESUMES CHANGING THESE LOTS. IT AFFECTS ALL OF THE OTHER RESIDENTS. THE SENSE OF PRECEDENT FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT BREAST DOWN THE STREET FOR TALLER BUILDINGS AND RESIDENTIAL LOT ENCOURAGEMENT.

AS IT WOULD CONTINUE DOWN THE ROAD. THAT'S MY HOUSE. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. NEXT WE HAVE CHARLIE DENGLER. >>.[INAUDIBLE] WORKS MINIMUS CHARLIE DUNBAR I LOVE IT FOR 63 EMERSON ROAD. OTHERS DAVE TALK ABOUT THE BACKYARD, THAT'S MY BACKYARD. NO ONE ELSE'S, IT'S MINE THAT'S GOING TO BE EFFECTIVE THE MOST. BUT, BEFORE I GET THERE I WANT TO SAY I APPROVE THE PROCESS THAT'S GOING TO BE COMING UP GETTING BRUCE REMOVED. IT'S SAD THAT IS HAPPENED TO HIM. BUT, HE IS HAD 1.5 YEARS OF BEING PAID IN ON THE CITY PAYROLL AND CITY HEALTH INSURANCE. I UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT THE BEST BUT, HE HAS 1.5 YEARS. NO OTHER CITIZEN IF I HAD A JOB AND I HAD 1.5 YEARS OF BEING THERE AFTER I'D HAD A STROKE. I WASN'T PERFORMING MY DUTY THEY WOULD LET ME GO.

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MY HOUSE. I'VE LIVED THERE SINCE 1980. . I THINK I VOTED HOWEVER SHE IS BACK THERE. . I OPPOSE OF ME AGAIN, PERSONALLY THE 2 HOUSES THAT PURE DEVELOPMENT HAVE PURCHASED WHICH THEY PAID OVER 4. THEY'RE GOING TO SPLIT THAT MAKE IT A ZERO LOT IS THEIR PLAN. THEY PLAN ON RASPBERRY WAS SAYING, EVERY HOME ON EMERSON 35 FOOT BACK FROM THE ROAD. THEY WANT TO MAKE THAT A ZERO LOT. MILES? JEFF? IF THEY DID THAT NEXT TO YOU OR PUT A 6-STORY BUILDING RIGHT IN YOUR BACKYARD WOULD YOU GUYS LIKE THAT? I CAN TELL YOU, I DO NOT LIKE THAT. WE NEED TO GET THEM TO THE KNOCK SPLIT THAT LOT. AND, IF THEY ARE SUCCESSFUL IN SPLITTING THAT LOT, WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO IS THERE GOING TO PUT THIS BIG BEAUTIFUL 2 FAMILY BUILDING RIGHT UP AGAINST MY LOT APPEARED AGAIN, ME. LIVED THERE SINCE 1980. I BOUGHT MY HOME BECAUSE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S A GREAT NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A NEIGHBORHOOD. OH NO, I'M IN TROUBLE. OKAY, LAST THING. WE DON'T HAVE AN INCH AWAY AND JOHNSON ADDITION OR WILSON VILLAGE. WE DON'T WANT ONE. WE TRIED, WE DON'T WANT IT. IF WE HAD WHEN WE BE THE LARGEST HOA IN CARMEL. I'D LIKE YOU ALL TO REMEMBER THAT. THANK

YOU. THANK YOU. ALLISON BROWN. >>GOOD EVENING MY NAME IS ALLISON BROWN. I DO NOT LIVED IN MIDTOWN. I DO NOT ABOUT THIS MONSTROSITY. I'M HERE OUT OF SOLIDARITY WITH THE JOHNSON ADDITION NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE IF IT CAN HAPPEN HERE IT CAN HAPPEN ANYWHERE IN CARMEL. IT IS A TERRIBLE IDEA THAT ANY NEIGHBORHOOD BEREFT OF CITY COUNCIL DIRECT REPRESENTATION WILL BE FACED WITH A FULLY FUNDED DEVELOPMENT THAT DOES NOT ACCORD WITH ANY OF THAT CITY'S UTO'S, NOTHING. THE 6-STORY BUILDING IS TOTALLY UNNECESSARY. I DISCOVERED LISTENING TO THE FINANCE COMMITTEE MEETING THAT IT ISN'T EVEN A MATTER OF MONEY FOR THE CITY BECAUSE THE CITY IS SENDING MONEY TO NOBLESVILLE BECAUSE THEY CAN'T SPEND ALL THE MONEY THEY ARE GETTING FROM THESE DEVELOPMENTS. THEY HAVE TO TURN IT OVER, AS OF INDIANA STATE LAW TO THE COUNTY TO USE. PARAKEET BUILDING ENORMOUS PROFITABLE OF ELEMENTS, SQUEEZING OUT NEIGHBORHOODS. OLD NEIGHBORHOODS, WELL INTEGRATED NEIGHBORHOODS. NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE PEOPLE ARE HAPPY. INSTEAD OF LABORING THESE NEIGHBORHOODS IN THEIR NATURAL SURROUNDINGS WERE GOING TO PUSH HOUSES AROUND. WORKING TO SHOEHORN IN 6 BUILDINGS, EXTRA PARKING GARAGES. TO POOR THOUSAND CARS INTO STREETS THAT ARE NOT BILLED FOR SO MANY MORE CARS THAT ARE ALREADY IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS AND DO NOT CARRY THE TRAFFIC THAT WILL BE COMING INTO SUCH COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THIS PROJECT. I AGREE WITH MY PREDECESSORS AT THIS PODIUM SAYING, PLEASE DO NOT GIVE MONEY TO THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT THROUGH THIS TIF UNTIL THE PROBLEMS WITH IT ARE IRONED OUT. THANK

YOU. >> THANK YOU. >WENDY BABCOCK.

>> HELLO EVERYONE. I'D FIRST LIKE TO SAY I ALSO AGREE WITH THE PREVIOUS SPEAKERS AND THE COMMENTS THEY MADE TONIGHT. I WANT TO TAKE THIS IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION. I NEED MY

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THIS TIME. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. WES, NICE AND CLOSE. GOOD PLANNING.

>> THANK YOU MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, CITIZENS NAME IS WES BOOKER AND THE IT 17 SLEEPY HOLLOW LANE IN CARMEL. MY WIFE AND I HAS ENJOYED LIVING CARMEL FOR NEARLY 41 YEARS. WE'VE SEEN MANY CHANGES AND APPLAUD THE VIBRANT CITY WE NOW ENJOY. VIRGINIA BROUGHT BACK A LOT OF MEMORIES. IN FACT I CAME RIGHT AFTER HER. MY OFFICE STARTED IN THE BASEMENT OF THE OLD CARNEGIE LIBRARY. EVENTUALLY WE MOVED INTO TOWN HALL 2 FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO HIRE MIKE MY STAFF AT THAT TIME. TIF HAS HELPED BRING DESIRABLE DEVELOPMENT TO CARMEL. HOWEVER THERE'S A TIME TO HIT THE PAUSE WHEN IT IS NOT PROPERLY BEEN USED OR USED NEGATIVELY IMPACTING LONG-STANDING RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS. I SERVE THE CITY WITH MIKE THIS POSITION BACK LOT 1980S. POPULATION WAS 37,000. AS A DEVELOPER HERE ALMOST 25 YEARS I HARD IT IS TO SAY NO OR WOE TO A NEW PROPOSAL. ESPECIALLY ONE BRINGING SEVERAL DESIRABLE HEADQUARTERS, NUMEROUS JOBS AND INVESTMENT TO OUR CITY. SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE COURAGE TO SAY NO OR THIS COULD BE BETTER. TO THE BEAN COUNTER SO THAT THEY WILL LISTEN. A MOST MONOLINE IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THEIR CORPORATE BOTTOM LINE. TIF DOLLARS ARE MEANT TO BE SPENT TO IMPROVE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE. THE CDC SAYS THIS TIF HELPS PLAN AND STRUCTURE FOR 200 YEARS FOR PEOPLE WHO WILL SOMEDAY LIVED HERE. WE EXPECT FOR PEOPLE LIVING HERE TODAY. SIMPLE DIAGRAM SHOWS THIS PLAN FAILS IF THAT. EXCUSE THE HAND-DRAWN SKETCH. BISON INDUSTRIAL DRIVE CONNECTED THROUGH OAK STREET WITH THE ROUNDABOUT AT THE FUTURE SO IT GOES INTO MIDTOWN AREA? THE STREET GOES THROUGH THEIR DEVELOPMENT. IT APPEARS THIS PRESIDENT, THIS WOULD PREVENT HAVING IT IN THE INDUSTRIAL PARK AREA TO THE WEST. IT APPEARS PRESENT DEVELOPMENT COULD BEEN 5 ADDITIONAL 6 TOUR BUILDINGS COULD BE BUILT TO A SIMILAR SIZE AND THE INDUSTRIAL ACREAGE REMAINING IF IT'S REZONED.

1200 ADDITIONAL UNITS. THIS DESIGN CHANGE WILL GIVE MEANING TO USE USING TIF DOLLARS FOR

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ANYWAY SUGGEST A MODIFIED PLAN. PLEASE PUT A PAUSE THIS REQUEST LET'S WORK FOR BETTER PLAN FOR BETTER CARMEL FOR EVERYONE HERE TODAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.

>> THANK YOU SIR. ? ?. >> HI, MY NAME IS JULIE GOERING AND THE 4 25 EMERSON ROAD AND I OWN THE HOUSE AT 475 EMERSON ROAD. MY HOUSE IS ON THE BACK, MY BACKYARD IS ON 4TH. VERY, VERY AWARE OF ALL THE TRAFFIC THAT HAS INCREASED THE LAST FEW YEARS. I LOVE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD SO MUCH ABOUT THE OTHER HOUSE AND THAT'S WHERE MY DAUGHTER, MY GRANDSON AND MY SON-IN-LAW LIVED. BUT, THAT BEING SAID IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO CHARLIE'S HOUSE. SO WHAT'S GOING ON BEHIND EFFECTS BE 2 WAYS. WHERE I LIVED AND WHERE MY KIDS LIVED. I WENT AND BOUGHT FENCING TO GO UP IN THE BACK OF MY KIDS HOUSE TO PROTECT THEM BECAUSE OF WHATEVER WHEN THE CONSTRUCTION STARTS. WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHEN IT'S GONNA START, IT'S GOING TO MAKE AN IMPACT ON OUR LIVES NO MATTER WHAT. I LOVE THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. I TAKE CARE MY HOUSE. I AM ON THE END OF MY YARD ON 4TH I'M THE ONE THAT'S PUT UP THE LITTLE LIBRARY WITH THE BENCH AND A GREAT BIG SIGN THAT SAYS WELCOME. THAT'S THE WAY I FEEL ABOUT WHAT CARMEL SHOULD BE. BUT, I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT NOT HAVING A COUNCIL PERSON RIGHT NOW AND HAVING CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON BEHIND US. WITH THE NEW PEER PROJECT STARTING.

WITH THE 6 STORIES. THEY'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING NOT ONLY AT CHARLIE BUT THERE COULD BE LOOKING AT MY KIDS TOO. I JUST WANT TO SAY PLEASE TAKE CARE OF US. WERE A WONDERFUL NEIGHBORHOOD. I MEAN, THE PEOPLE ACROSS THE STREET, THEY OWN 2 HOUSES SO THEIR KIDS CAN LIVED THERE PLUS ANOTHER FAMILY MEMBER LIVES THERE. RIGHT NEXT TO ME, MARY LIVES IN THE HOUSE, SHE BOUGHT THE HOUSE FROM HER MOTHER APPEARED WERE NOT GOING ANYWHERE. WE WANT TO STAY THERE BUT WANTED TO BE THE NEIGHBORHOOD WE CAN BE PROUD OF NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT EXTRA TRAFFIC, AND ALL THAT COMES WITH THE CONSTRUCTION. I THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR LISTENING.

>> THANK YOU. BRADLEY CARICO. I DON'T KNOW IF I'M SAYING THAT RIGHT.

>> CARICO. EVERYBODY ON BRADLEY CARICO. 11 THE CENTRAL DISTRICT DOWN THE STREET FROM HIGH SCHOOL. MOVED INTO THOUSAND 18 WITH MY WIFE AND WE NOW HAVE 2 CHILDREN. HER WORK AS A FINANCE PROFESSIONAL HERE IN CARMEL AS WELL IN THE SOUTHWEST DISTRICT. I'M HERE TO SUPPORT FOR THIS RESOLUTION.[INAUDIBLE]. RECORD NATION OF THAT COUNSEL SEAT.

ELECTED START BY SENDING BEST WISHES FOR BRUCE CAMPBELL AND HIS FAMILY. EVERY ACCOUNT I'VE READ AND HEARD HE IS AN EXEMPLARY PERSON. IN CARE SIGNIFICANTLY ABOUT THIS COMMUNITY. I WISH THE BEST IN HIS RECOVERY. WITH THAT SAID THE CENTRAL DISTRICT HAS NOW GONE NEARLY 18 MONTHS WITHOUT DIRECT REPRESENTATION ON THIS COUNCIL. THIS MEANS THE DISTRICT WITH CARMEL HIGH SCHOOL, OUR PUBLIC LIBRARY, SIGNIFICANT ECONOMIC INTERESTS, HOMES, OUR CULTURAL CENTER OF THE CITY AND EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN HAS GONE WITHOUT DIRECT REPRESENTATION AS WELL. AND WILL CONTINUE FROM EVERYTHING I'VE READ AGAIN FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE. THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF INVESTMENT AS EVIDENT. A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF CARE BY THE CONSTITUENTS IN THIS AREA. IT'S VERY UNFORTUNATE THAT

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THE WORK OF AN INTENDED 9 MEMBER BOARD HAS NOT BEEN SPREAD ACROSS 8 INDIVIDUALS.

THIS HAS TO ESPECIALLY AFFECT THE AT-LARGE MEMBERS HAVE BEEN ASKED TO PULL DOUBLE DUTY IN TERMS OF REPRESENTING SOME OF THE CENTRAL DISTRICTS CONCERNS. THIS AGAIN NOT ONLY UNDERSERVED THE CENTRAL DISTRICT BUT ALL CARMEL RESIDENTS AS OPPOSED RESOURCES AWAY FROM WHAT'S INTENDED TO BE A SHARED RESOURCE AND HOW IT'S BEEN DEDICATED TO ADDITIONAL RESOURCES NEEDED FOR THE CENTRAL DISTRICT. FOR CLOSING THOUGHTS AND LOVE FOR BRUCE TO MAKE A FULL RECOVERY FOR THE ELECTION CYCLE AND TAKE OPPORTUNITY TO BE REELECTED AGAIN. IN THE MEANTIME THE CENTRAL DISTRICT RESIDENTS AND CARMEL CITIZENS AT LARGE DESERVED AN ACTIVE AND CENTRAL DISTRICT REPRESENTATIVE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU. SUE MACKEY. >> GOOD EVENING MY NAME IS SUE MACKEY. I LIVED AT 317 SECOND AVENUE NORTHEAST IN THE CENTRAL DISTRICT. BRUCE CAMPBELL IS MY REPRESENTATIVE. AT FIRST I WANT TO THANK ALL THE COUNCIL BUT SPECIFICALLY THE AT-LARGE MEMBERS FOR THEIR WORK THE PAST YEAR AND AND A HALF IN DEALING WITH ISSUES IN OUR COMMUNITY. WE DO SEVERE PARKING PROBLEM AT THE HIGH SCHOOL. I GOT RESOLVED, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I KNOW IT TOOK A LOT OF WORK.

FRANKLY I WAS WORRIED THROUGH ALL OF THAT THAT BECAUSE WE DID NOT HAVE A DIRECT REPRESENTATIVE THAT WE WOULD'VE FALLEN SHORT ON ANY KIND OF VOTE THAT MIGHT HAVE TAKEN PLACE TO DEAL WITH THAT ISSUE. I WAS VERY GRATEFUL WHEN IT DID PASS THE SOLUTION. IT BROUGHT TO LIGHT THE IMPORTANCE OF HAVING A DIRECT REPRESENTATIVE. AS MANY OF YOU MIGHT KNOW ALSO SERVE ON COUNTY COUNCIL. I'M AN AT-LARGE MEMBER. I SEE FIRSTHAND THE DIFFERENCE OF HOW YOU APPROACH A PROBLEM WITH YOU ARE REPRESENTING A DISTRICT OR REPRESENTING AT-LARGE. I KNOW ALL OF YOU KNOW THIS BUT THE PEOPLE AT HOME MIGHT NOT KNOW THIS. WHEN YOU GO TO ADDRESS A PROBLEM YOU GO TO IT ENDED DIFFERENT VIEW SITE. IF YOU ARE ELECTED BY PEOPLE IN A DISTRICT VERSUS AT-LARGE. THE PEOPLE IN THE CENTRAL DISTRICT IN CARMEL NEED THAT REPRESENTATION. EVEN THOUGH ALL OF YOU HAVE THE BEST INTENTIONS AND DO AN EXCELLENT JOB, NOTHING TAKES THE PLACE OF A DIRECT REPRESENTATIVE TO FIGHT FOR THE ISSUES AT HAND.

SO, WITH THAT BEING SAID I ASK YOU PASS THE RESOLUTION AND ALLOW US TO GET DIRECT

REPRESENTATIVE. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. STEVE RING. >> HI. I'M STEVE RING. I LOVE ON WHAT'S CURRENTLY CALLED SECOND AVENUE NORTHEAST. AT 353. I WANT TO MAKE A BRIEF COMMENT ABOUT THIS CAMPBELL. I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE AND THANK BRUCE FOR HIS SERVICE TO THE CENTRAL DISTRICT HERE IN THE CITY COUNCIL. AND WHILE WE'VE MISSED BRUCE PERSONALLY AT THE BLOCK PARTIES AND HIS ADVOCACY OF BIKING. AS A RESIDENT OF THE CENTRAL DISTRICT I HAVE NOT FELT A LACK OF REPRESENTATION ON THE CITY COUNCIL OVER THE PAST MONTHS. I TEND TO THINK OF THE CITY COUNCIL AS ONE BODY. I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT I FEEL LIKE I CAN BRING ANY COMMENT OR QUESTION TO ANY MEMBER OF THE CITY COUNCIL. WE ESPECIALLY APPRECIATE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD THE INTENTION OR THAT COUNSELOR WORRELL GAVE TO THE PARKING SITUATION AROUND

THE HIGH SCHOOL WHICH HAS BEEN MENTIONED. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. JUDY HAGAN.

>> GOOD EVENING COUNSELORS. MY NAME IS JUDY HAGAN I LIVED IN THE WESTERN TOWNSHIP. I AM

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APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY CHAIR JEFF MOREL GAVE ME TO SPEAK AT THE FINANCE COMMITTEE.

I LIKE TO SUMMARIZE MY COMMENTS FOR THE FULL COUNCIL TONIGHT. A TOTAL OF 904 RESIDENCES ARE PROPOSED IN THE FORCE TIF PROJECTS. 904 RESIDENTS WILL GENERATE $4.4 MILLION IN PARK IMPACT FEE. USING THE BUTT FOR OR IF NOT TEST LIKE THAT USED FOR THE TO RECOMMENDATIONS.

THE TIP THE TEST APPLIES TO IMPACT FEES IN THE PROPER USE. IF NOT FOR THE NEW RESIDENTS WE WOULD NOT HAVE PARK IMPACT FEES SOUGHT OR NEEDED. CENTRAL CARMEL HAS EVOLVED PERHAPS MORE TENSELY THAN ORIGINALLY ANTICIPATED. IT'S FAIR TO SAY THERE IS NEED FOR ADDITIONAL GREEN SPACE IN THE COURT TO SERVE THE NEW NEIGHBORS. MANY OF THE NEW TIF PROJECTS COMING TO FRUITION NOW WERE PROBABLY NOT YET ON THE DRAWING BOARD WHEN THE LAST ZONE IMPROVEMENT PLAN WAS DRAWN UP. ONE SUGGESTED MAY BE A DOG PARK TO ACCOMMODATE THE WAITING LIST OF THE CURRENT DOG PARK. THE GREAT SUCCESS FOR MIDTOWN FOR EXAMPLE HAS RECENTLY REQUIRED ARTIFICIAL TURF TO BE INSTALLED TO MERGE THE GREEN SPACE. TO MANAGE THE GREEN SPACE. THAT'S ALL GOOD BUT IT'S HARD SCAPE. IT IS NOT THE PEACEFUL, ENJOYABLE GREEN PARK SPACE WE ALL THINK OF WHEN WE THINK OF PARKS. PARK IMPACT FEES ARE ONE OF THE 3 LEGS SUPPORTING FINANCING FOR PARK DEVELOPMENT. ONE IS THE LIT CAPTURED BY THE CO-IT AT THE TOWNSHIP CENTRAL PARK BOND THAT EVERYONE IS VERY MUCH FOCUSED ON AT THE MOMENT. THE LIT BEGINS TO RUN OUT IN A FEW YEARS AND IS RECEIVING GREAT ATTENTION. ANOTHER IS COST RECOVERY OF THE MONON COMMUNITY CENTER WHICH HELPS COVER SOME CAPITAL EXPENSES THERE. III STOOL FOOT IS THE PARK IMPACT FEE. WHICH ALSO RUNS OUT WHEN NEW RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION STOPS. IF A GREAT EFFORT IS NOT MADE TO ENSURE THE PARK IMPACT FEES GOING OUT FOR THEIR INTENDED PURPOSE WE WILL FALL BEHIND AS A COMMUNITY. ESPECIALLY IN CENTRAL CARMEL. CITY COUNCIL ENABLED THE SIPHONING OFF A PARK IN FACT FEES THE 2011 PATCH ORDINANCE. UNWITTINGLY I BELIEVE. I WAS IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION. I VOTED FOR IT MYSELF BEFORE IT CAME TO THE THIN COUNCIL. THIS COUNCIL CAN DISABLE THAT FUNCTION. I ASK YOU START ENSURING THE PARK IMPACT FEES GENERATED BY THE FORCE TIF PROJECTS BEGIN WITH THIS DISABLING. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. ROBERT WILLIAMS. >> MR. PRESIDENT, HONORABLE COUNCILMEMBERS, MY NAME IS ROBERT WILLIAMS AND LIVER 337 STONEHENGE TO ARRIVE IN CARMEL AND CENTRAL DISTRICT. I RACE BEFORE YOU TODAY IN SUPPORT OF THE REVOLUTION 14B ON OUR AGENDA. IT'S BEEN 18 MONTHS AND WE FOUND AN EMPTY CHAIR OVER THERE. ON THE COUNCIL. I DON'T KNOW MR. CAMPBELL PERSONALLY AND I DON'T STOMACH THEM IMPLEMENTED TO HIS HEALTH CONDITION. THAT BEING SAID WE BEEN 18 MONTHS WITHOUT SIGNIFICANT AND PERSONAL REPRESENTATION IN OUR CENTRAL DISTRICT. THIS RESOLUTION TODAY IS DEFEATED IT WILL BE ANOTHER 18 MONTHS WITHOUT IT. 17,000 CITIZENS OF CARMEL WILL BE WITHOUT THAT TYPE OF REPRESENTATION. THAT'S WAY TO LONG TO GO. 25TH AMENDMENT TO THE U.S. CONSTITUTION IS OUT A VERY DETAILED PROGRAM FOR THE REPLACEMENT OF A PRESIDENT WHO DIES, RESIGNS OR IS INCAPACITATED. IF THAT PRESIDENT BECOMES AVAILABLE FOR HIS JOB HE COULD BE REINSTATED AS A DULY ELECTED PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. I THINK IF MR. CAMPBELL REGAINS HIS HEALTH

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>> THANK YOU. HATTIE IS REX. >> FIRST I HEARD, I THANK YOU SPOKE ABOUT MONEY GOING BACK TO NOBLESVILLE BECAUSE OUR BUDGET IS SO STRONG. I THINK THERE ARE PROBABLY A LOT OF PEOPLE IN ILLINOIS AND CHICAGO WHO WOULD BE JEALOUS OF THAT SITUATION. THANKS FOR LEADING US SUCH GREAT BUDGET. I FIND IT, AS OF THE CENTRAL DISTRICT. I OWN A HOUSE IN CONCORDE VILLAGE. I THINK SEVERAL OF YOU ARE FROM WEST SIDE OF MAIN STREET OR I'M ON THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD ON RANGELAND BY THE LIBRARY. WE LOVE IT. I JUST BOUGHT AN OFFICE UP ON RANGELAND ROAD.

IT'S BEEN GREAT WORKING WITH SEVERAL PEOPLE ON THE COUNCIL. RTO WAS A GOOD FRIEND OF BRUCE KIMBALL. LOVE SEEING HIM OF THE CONCERTS, THE GAZEBO AND SEE HIM AROUND TOWN. HE SHOWED UP EVERY TIME HAD AN ISSUE. THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS WE'VE HAD OTHERS ON THE COUNCIL SHARP IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WITH ISSUES. IT'S BEEN FANTASTIC TO SEE THE BALL CARRYFORWARD. I 2 THOUGHT IT MADE A LOT OF SENSE TO SEE CAMPBELL REPLACED AT ONE POINT AND I BEGAN TO RESEARCH HOW THAT WOULD HAPPEN. AS I BEGAN TO RESEARCH THE PROCESS I STARTED TO FEEL LIKE I WAS AT IT AND LOST PARTY THAT I STARTED TO PLAY GAME I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH FREEDOM SUPPOSED TO HAVE DORMS WAS TO GET COAL INSTEAD. THE PROCESS SEEMED VERY COMPLICATED. I LIKE SIMPLE PROCESSES. I WAS VERY YOUNG MY FATHER TAUGHT ME NEVER GOING TO A DEAL IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW IT WORKS. AND WHEN I VOTE AND SOMEONE SHOWS UP BECAUSE OUR ELECTED NOT MAKE SENSE TO ME. WE HAVE ANOTHER LESS THAN A YEAR OF ELECTION. WE SHOULD LET THE VOTERS DECIDE ON WHO SHOULD SIT ON THE CITY COUNCIL NEXT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU. DENISE MO. >> THANK YOU. I'M DENISE MO. OWN A HOME AT 392 ASPEN DRIVE IN THE CENTRAL DISTRICT. I AM ONE OF ONLY 4 ELECTED PRECINCT COMMITTEE POPLE IN THE CENTRAL DISTRICT. PRESENT COMMITTEE VOLUNTEERS AND STOPPED ELECTION BOARD. REPRESENTATIVES OF THE PARTY TO OUR CONSTITUENTS IN POUR DISTRICT AND OUR PRECINCT. SO, I DID MY JOB AS A PRECINCT COMMITTEE PERSON IS OR TALK TO THE PEOPLE AT MY PRECINCT AND AREA. ELECTRONICALLY OVER SOCIAL MEDIA BECAUSE I DO THAT SOMETIMES. IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. FIRST OF ALL THE QUESTION IS KIND OF COMPLICATED. GOTTA DELVE A LITTLE BIT DEEPER. I ASKED THEM, TO THANK YOU'RE GETTING GOOD REPRESENTATION? THEY ALL OVERWHELMINGLY SAID YES. CURRENTLY WE HAVE ONE AT-LARGE MEMBER THAT LIVES IN THE CENTRAL DISTRICT AND ONE AT-LARGE MEMBER THAT OWNS 2 BUSINESS IN THE CENTRAL DISTRICT. COUNSELOR WORRELL HAS ALWAYS BEEN VERY RESPONSIVE TO EVERYONE. THEY FELT THE QUESTIONS WERE BEING ANSWERED. THEY FELT LIKE THEIR FORCES WERE BEING HEARD. I DID ALSO BECAUSE OF THIS RESOLUTION APPEARED PERSONALLY SPOKEN PERSON ON THE PHONE AND OVER SOCIAL MEDIA WITH 7 OUT OF THE 8 COUNSELORS. THEY ARE GETTING REPRESENTATION. THEY ARE VERY CONCERNED WITH COUNSELOR KIMBALL'S HEALTH. HIS RECOVERY AND REHABILITATION. HE WAS VERY POPULATED, CARL IS IT CITY WE HAVE A HEART. AFTER SHOW COMPASSION TO COUNSELOR KIMBALL AND HIS HEALTH RECOVERIES VERY IMPORTANT. AND, THEY ALSO ONE OF THE DETAILS. WHAT IS THIS CAUCUS? WHO WILL VOTE IN THIS CAUCUS? AND THE TRUTH OF THE

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[7. COUNCIL AND MAYORAL COMMENTS/OBSERVATIONS]

>> THANK YOU. >> NEXT WE HAVE COUNSEL AND MAYORAL COMMENTS AND

OBSERVATIONS. COUNCIL? COUNSELOR NELSON. >> MR. PRESIDENT ELECTRIC KNOWLEDGE OF THE DIFFERENT CARMEL HIGH SCHOOL GROUPS AND THE GREEN ACTION CLUB. THE PRIDE COMMITTEE AND ALSO SAY WALL FOR HELPING ME DISTRIBUTE OVER 1200 TREES ALL NATIVE SPECIES THAT WILL BE PLANTED IN OUR LOVELY CITY TO CONTINUE TO GROW TREES HAVE CLEAN AIR AND

CLEAN DRINKING WATER. SO THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

COUNSELOR HANAN. >> MR. PRESIDENT I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE HERE THIS EVENING. MANY TIMES ARE COUNSELOR MEDIANS ARE RELATIVELY SPARSELY ATTENDED.

UNDERSTANDABLY. I DO APPRECIATE EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU BEING HERE RESPECTFULLY LETTING US KNOW YOUR OPINION ON SEVERAL IMPORTANT ISSUES PARTICULARLY IN THE CENTRAL DISTRICT AS WELL AS YOUR EMAIL. AGAIN I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE.

>> CANCER FINKAM? >> THANK YOU. WANT TO THANK MATT, AARON AND NORA FOR COMING TONIGHT. SHARING WOULD HAVE BEEN A REALLY DIFFICULT STORY. SO GLAD TO HAVE A POSITIVE ENDING. REALLY THE STORIES UNDONE. REALLY TOUCHED BY AARON'S PHRASING IN THE VIDEO.

I HOPE EVERYONE HEARD THAT. WASN'T LIKE HEY, TELL OTHERS ABOUT THIS. IT WAS YOU, YOU, NEED TO GET OUT AND MAKE SURE YOU ARE CERTIFIED. AND YOU UNDERSTAND. IT'S NOT JUST LET STRATUS OF THE WORLD. IT WAS A PERSONAL CALL EVERY ONE OF US LOOK IN THE MIRROR AND SAY WILL BE PREPARED TO BE PREPARED IN THAT INSTANCE? ONEÓWHAT AARON SAID AND MAKE SURE TO ASK THE SAME OF EVERYONE. I'M DUE FOR RECERTIFICATION SO IT WAS A GOOD REMINDER I NEED TO GET MY RECERTIFICATION DONE. THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT AND TELLING YOUR PERSONAL STORY. I'M SURE

IT WASN'T EASY. SO THANK YOU. >> A QUICK COMMENT FROM MYSELF. I WAS BRAG ABOUT OUR PUBLIC SAFETY FIRE AND POLICE. AS A MORE PROACTIVE AND NOT REACTIVE. THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF BEING PROACTIVE. INSPIRED BY YOUR STORY, THESE ARE THINGS WE DO ON A REGULAR

[8. CONSENT AGENDA]

TRANSFERS $9,187,850.50. >> MOVED TO APPROVE. >> ANY DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE. IS IT SET UP? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY I. OPPOSED? 8 ? 0. EVERYBODY HIT A BUTTON JUST FOR FUN SINCE IT CAME UP. THANK YOU. ACTION ON TRENT WHEN ONE VETOES. WE HAVE NONE.

[10. COMMITTEE REPORTS]

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COMMITTEE REPORTS. FINANCE, UTILITIES AND RULES COMMITTEE. >> THANK YOU MR. PRESIDENT. WE HAVE MET 3 TIMES SINCE OUR LAST MEETING. WE MET ON MAY 4, MAY 9 AND AGAIN TONIGHT. WE HAD 6 ISSUES ON OUR AGENDA. WE HAVE BROUGHT ALL OF THEM TO COUNCIL EXCEPT FOR THE FINAL ONE THAT IS THE AUDIT COMMITTEE. WE WILL GO AHEAD AND SCHEDULE ANOTHER MEETING REGARDING AUDIT COMMITTEE. ANY COUNSELORS WANT TO GET INVOLVED IN THAT DISCUSSION WERE LOOKING AT EXPANDING THE ROLE TO REALLY FOR PRIMARY ISSUES. AND SO WERE WORKING ON SOME LEGAL LANGUAGE RIGHT NOW TO TAKE CARE OF THAT. THE REST OF THE ITEMS I WILL REPORT AS THEY APPEAR ON

OUR AGENDA. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. LAND-USE AND SOCIAL STUDIES

COMMITTEE. >> THANK YOU MR. PRESIDENT WE HAVE NOT MET SINCE LAST COUNCIL MEETING. I'VE SCHEDULED MEETINGS FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REVIEW. THEY WILL ALL TAKE PLACE ON MONDAYS, JUNE 13, JULY 11 AND AUGUST 8 STARTING AT 5 O'CLOCK. THOSE MEETINGS

WILL BE PUBLICLY NOTICED. >> THANK YOU. OTHER REPORTS COULD CARMEL CABLE UNTIL THE

[11. OTHER REPORTS]

COMMISSIONS. >> WELCOME. >>GOOD EVENING. IT'S A PLEASURE BEING HERE WITH YOU. TO KEEP THIS MEETING SHORT I SENT YOU GUYS AND GALS MY REPORT. I WOULD BE HAPPY FOR THE RECORD I WILL JUST ADD A FEW THINGS. WE HAVE, I DON'T NEED TO SEE YOUR AGENDA. WE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON IN OUR CITY. IN RELATION TO THE CONSTRUCTION OF CELL TOWERS, AND RELATION TO CABLE STATIONS. EDUCATIONAL STATION. WE HAVE THE PICK STATION. A SENSOR PUBLIC EDUCATION GOVERNMENT ACCESS CHANNELS. WE'VE BEEN BLESSED BY WINNING THE NATIONAL AWARDS MANY, MANY TIMES. I HATE TO DEPART BUT IT'S LIKE THE UNIVERSITY OF ALABAMA GOING FOR THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP.

YOU'VE GOT A QUITE SOME TIME. WE ARE VERY FORTUNATE. FOR THOSE THAT ARE NOT ALABAMA FANS PLEASE ACCEPT MY APOLOGIES. ROLL TIDE, THANK YOU. BUT, WE DO HAVE SOME ISSUES RELATED TO, NUMBER ONE WE ARE CITY THAT IS IN A VERY UNUSUAL SITUATION. NOT VERY MANY CITIES THAT HAVE 4 TELECOMMUNICATION PROVIDERS PROVIDING SERVICE TO ITS CONSTITUENCY IN OUR CITY. WE DO. IN ADDITION TO THAT WE HAVE OTHER PROVIDERS THAT ARE PROVIDING ONLY WIRED SERVICE AND THEY ARE ALSO HERE. WE ARE VERY HAPPY TO HAVE THAT. BUT, IN RELATION TO THE WIRELESS, THAT'S WHERE WE GET INTO THE SITUATION. AS YOU KNOW CAUSES ME HEARTBURN ALONG WITH OUR VENDORS FOR MANY YEARS. BECAUSE I RAISED THE SPECTER OF QUESTION AS TO WHETHER 5G WAVES COULD POTENTIALLY BE A HEALTH RISK. THERE WERE A LOT OF RESEARCH BUT CAME OUT THAT SAID POSSIBLY. BUT, I GUESS I WILL GO ON RECORD AS SAYING, AS OF NOW I HAVE CHANGED MY TUNE SLIGHTLY. I BEEN AN ACADEMIC BASED PERSON I DON'T EVER COMPLETELY CHANGE MY TUNE BECAUSE I ALWAYS WANT TO HEDGE THAT BET. BASED ON THE PROLIFERATION OF RESEARCH THAT I'VE READ AND STUDIED IN DETAIL IN THE LAST 6 MONTHS PARTICULARLY. THINGS HAVE REALLY STARTED HAPPENING. IF YOU START WATCHING WHAT'S GOING ON IN OUR INDUSTRY. THINGS ARE REALLY STARTING TO HAPPEN. I AM SATISFIED NOW, I GIVE YOU A LINK TO AN AMERICAN CANCER

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>> COUNCIL, ANY QUESTIONS? COUNSELOR FINKAM. >> THIS IS JUST A COMMENT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR EARNESTNESS TO EDUCATE THE COMMUNITY AND THANK YOU FOR COMING HERE AND SAYING HEY I'M GONNA CHANGE MY OPINION ON THIS. I RESPECT THAT AND

APPRECIATE YOU. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE? GOD BLESS. > THANK YOU.

>> PARKS. >IS UNDER AN HOUR, RIGHT? >> OF COURSE, YOU COULD'VE PICKED A BETTER MEETING FOR ME TO COME YOU KNOW? [LAUGHTER]. I'M STAYING TO THE END ANYWAYS.

THAT'S OKAY. I COULD DO A PRESENTATION SOLELY MY DOG AND IT COULD REALLY GO OVER AN

HOUR. >> SINCE HE MENTIONED DOG I GET TO MAKE A PLUG FOR THE HUMANE SOCIETY. I WIFE AND I JUST ADOPTED A 12 YEAR OLD SENIOR DOG FROM THERE. OUR OTHER 2 DOGS ARE IN LOVE. SENIOR DOGS NEED GOOD YEARS AT THE END OF THEIR LIFE. HELP OUT THE HUMANE SOCIETY AND ADOPT SENIOR DOGS. I GIVE YOU GREAT PLUG THERE.

>> YOU DID. AND IT HELPED KILL SOME TIME AS I DEAL WITH TECHNOLOGY ISSUES. MICHAEL ?

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THE ASPHALT TRAILS WITHIN THE PARK HAVE BEEN REPAVED. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF PROGRESS WITHIN THE LAST SEVERAL DAYS ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT. THIS PHOTO WAS TAKEN ON THE 11TH.

YOU CAN SEE THE SIGNATURE PLAYGROUND FEATURE. ALL THE SAFETY SERVICING, THE BASE HAVE ALL BEEN POURED INTO PLACE AND YOU CAN SEE A REPRESENTATION OF WHAT THIS INCREDIBLE PLAYGROUND LOOK LIKE. INCLUDES A NEW SPLASH PAD. GREAT PROGRESS WE NEEDED TO STOP RAINING. AT MO PARK TAKING TREMENDOUS PROJECT ON THE PHASE 2 DEVELOPMENT OF THIS REDEVELOPMENT OF THE SPARK WHICH INCLUDES THE SPLASH PAD, NEW RESTROOM FACILITIES AND 2 PICKLE BALL COURTS. THIS IS THE PROJECT THAT HAVE THE GREATEST CONFIDENCE THAT WILL OPEN ON MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND.

WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT THAT. SHOWING A CLOSE-UP ON THE LEFT IS A PHOTO OF THE SPLASH PAD PAREA. COULD SEE THE SIGNATURE WATER TEMP FEATURE AND IN THE BACKGROUND YOU CAN SEE THE WATER SLIDE. IT WILL BE THE FIRST SPLASH PAD WITH A ZERO WATER AT THE END WATER SLIDE.

IT WILL BE HUGELY POPULAR. ON THE BACKSIDE AS A WATERFALL. KIDS CAN GET BEHIND AND PLAY WITH THE WATERFALL WHICH WILL BE HUGELY POPULAR. MEADOWLARK PARK APPEARED. FOR PICKLE BALL COURTS. THIS WAS TODAY. YOU CAN SEE WORKING ON INSTALLING THE FENCES, THE GUYS IN THE BACKGROUND. THE POSTS ARE UP FOR THE NETS. THIS AS WELL AS THE PLAYGROUND. THE PARKING LOTS AND RESTROOM FACILITIES ALL LOOK LIKE THEY WILL BE ONLINE FOR A BLING ON MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND. WE HAVE ONE CHALLENGE. THERE ARE 2 PEDESTRIAN BRIDGES THAT HELP CONNECT THE EAST AND WEST SIDES OF THE TRAIL NETWORKS WITHIN THE SPARK. WE FOUND AND I THINK I REPORTED PREVIOUSLY TO THE CITY COUNCIL THAT THERE PWERE SOME POOR SOIL CONDITIONS WHERE THE ABUTMENTS FOR THE BRIDGES THAT HAVE BEEN THERE FOR WELL OVER 30 YEARS HAVE TO REMOVE THE ABUTMENTS BECAUSE THEY WERE GETTING UNDERCUT BY THE CREEK. WE FOUND POOR SOIL CONDITIONS AND ARE STILL WAITING FOR THE HELICAL PEEL PILES THAT WERE PROVIDED THE NECESSARY FOOTING UNDER TODAY'S CODES AND ENGINEERING STANDARDS TO UNDERSTAND THE PEERS THAT DON'T MOVE CONTINUE TO NOT MOVE. THAT'S COMMENTARY. I KNOW SEVERAL COUNSELORS AS TOWNSHIP BOARD MEMBERS HAVE RECEIVED SEVERAL COMMENTS ABOUT THE BRIDGE CONCERNS THAT WERE NOT GOING BACK IN. I CAN ASSURE THEY'RE GOING BACK AND WERE WAITING FOR THE METAL PILES TO COME SO WE CAN FINISH THE PROJECT UP. WE HAVE COMPLETED THE MIDDLE PHASE OF OUR PLANNING FOR THE MASTER PLAN FOR THOMAS MARCUS NATURE PARK. 63 ACRES IN NORTHEAST CARMEL. READ A SERIES OF PUBLIC MEETINGS AND FOCUS GROUPS. WE PRESENTED 3 CONCEPT PLANS. THE CONCEPT PLANS DON'T NECESSARILY REPRESENT WHAT THE PARK WILL LOOK LIKE. THERE BASED ON FEEDBACK RECEIVED IN THE FIRST ROUND OF FOCUS GROUPS. WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF RECEIVING FEEDBACK AS TO THE COMPONENTS OF EACH OF THE PLANS BUT THE PUBLIC LIKES AND DOESN'T LIKE. PEOPLE ARE WELCOME TO GO TO WEBSITE, CARMEL CLAY PARK STOCKHOLM.

THERE'S A ROTATING FRONT PAGE AND YOU CAN LOOK AT THE CONCEPTS CLOSER AND WE

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FINALLY I'M EXCITED TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL UPDATES ON THE WHITE RIVER GREENWAY. IT HAS BEEN ONE OF THE VISIONS OF THE PARK SYSTEM SINCE ITS INCEPTION 30 YEARS AGO IN 1991. TO CREATE THE GREENWAY SYSTEM AND EMBRACE THE WHITE RIVER WHICH IS OUR REGION'S MOST SIGNIFICANT NATURAL RESOURCE. WE ARE IN THE PROCESS TODAY I RECEIVED THE DESIGN TO FILAMENT DOCUMENTS FOR THE NORTHERN SECTION OF THE WHITE RIVER GREENWAY WHICH WILL GO FROM WHERE THE TRAIL CURRENTLY ENDS FROM ALL TIMBER TRAIL ALL THE WAY UP TO HUNDRED 46 STREET.

PART OF THIS IS IN CONJUNCTION WITH CONNER PRAIRIE PROVIDING EASEMENTS TO PROVIDE MOST OF THIS NORTH EXTENSION WHICH WILL 1.5 MILES OF THE TRAIL. ABOUT HALF OF IT ALONG THE RIVER. I COULD TELL YOU THE MOST SCENIC AREAS OF THE RIVER WITHIN THE CARMEL SECTION OF WHITE RIVER.

WE WILL BE WORKING TO FINISH UP THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS IN HOPES ASSUMING FUNDING COMES THROUGH THAT WE CAN START CONSTRUCTION THIS FALL OR NEXT SPRING AT THE LATEST. WORK STARTED TO BRING THEM ON BOARD. THIS WILL INCLUDE A NEW TRAILHEAD THAT IS ON PROPERTY AT THE PARK BOARD OWNS NORTH OVER THE CURRENT TRAIL ENDS. I WILL INCLUDE A SMALL PARKING LOT RESTROOM FACILITIES AND AN OVERLOOK THAT BY 6 THE EXTENSION OF THE WHITE RIVER GREENWAY. I PREVIOUSLY PROVIDED THIS BUT IT'S A REMINDER THIS IS WITH THE CONCEPTS OF WHAT THE OVER LOOK WILL LOOK LIKE. THIS IS A PHOTO I TOOK TODAY LOOKING SOUTH FROM APPROXIMATELY THE LOCATION OF THAT OVERLOOK. YOU COULD SEE HOW SCENIC IT IS ACROSS THE WAY IS CONNER PRAIRIE'S PORTION OF THE PROPERTY THEY OWN THE FISHER WHICH REMAINS UNDEVELOPED AND NATURAL. THIS IS WHAT YOU WILL SEE FROM THE TRAILHEAD NOT SECTION OF THE TRAIL. WERE EXCITED TO BRING THAT TO A REALITY. I'M PLEASED TO ANNOUNCE THIS PROJECT DOES APPEAR TO BE ONE OF THE PROJECTS THAT WERE SELECTED THROUGH THE WHITE RIVER REGIONAL OPPORTUNITY INITIATIVE FOR THE READY GRANTS ISSUED BY THE INDIANA ECONOMIC DEPONENT COMMISSION. NOT 100 PERCENT GUARANTEED BUT IT LOOKS LIKELY WE MAY RECEIVE BETWEEN $3.84 MILLION I COULD GO TOWARDS THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE TRAIL. THAT IS PART OF WHAT THE RDA RESOLUTION AND ORDINANCES AT THE END OF THE AGENDA IS RELATED TO AND HAPPY TO ADDRESS THAT AT THAT PARTICULAR POINT IN TIME. THAT CULD BE A CRITICAL FUNDING SOURCE FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT. WITH THAT, AGAIN WE ARE HIRING. IF YOU KNOW ANYONE THAT WANTS BE A LIFEGUARD OR SUMMER CAMP COUNSELOR PLEASE SEND THEM OUR WAY. CARMEL CLAY PARK STOCKHOLM. WHAT A GREAT PLACE TO GET AN EARLY END OF CAREER OPPORTUNITY FOR THOSE THAT AREN'T RETIRED AND MAYBE WANT TO MAKE A LITTLE EXTRA FUNDS.

WITHOUT A BE HAPPY TO ADDRESS RUSSIANS THE COUNCIL HOUSE. >> COUNSELOR HANAN?

>> THANK YOU MR. PRESIDENT. THANKS A, FOR WHAT YOU DO BE, FOR WHAT YOUR PEOPLE DO AND SEAT MAKE IT BRIEF TONIGHT. AS AN AT-LARGE LIVES IN THE CENTRAL DISTRICT YOU KNOW, WE ARE REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO MEADOWLARK PARK OPENING. IT IS A JEWEL. I HESITATE TO TELL PEOPLE ABOUT IT BECAUSE IT IS SUCH A JEWEL. I THINK IT'S UNDERAPPRECIATED. REALLY ANXIOUS TO SEE THAT. I WOULD ALSO ECHO COMMENTS MADE BY JULIE HAGAN WHO YOU KNOW WITH AN INCREASINGLY, INCREASINGLY DENSE CENTRAL CORE. WE NEED TO ALSO EXPLORE OTHER GREEN SPACE OPTIONS. AGAIN, THE MIDTOWN IS WONDERFUL AND UNIQUE AND URBAN. WE ALSO NEED TO EXPLORE OTHER GREEN SPACE OPTIONS IF YOU LOOK AT THE GROWTH OF POPULATION IN THE CENTRAL DISTRICT. SO

THINKING. >>. >> COUNSELOR AASEN.

>> THINK MR. PRESIDENT. AND OF THE PARKS DEPARTMENT WAS TALKED ABOUT USING THE SPACE OF ORCHARD PARK ELEMENTARY AND NOW THERE IS SOME ARTICLES IN THE NEWS ABOUT A CHARTER SCHOOL WANTING TO DO THAT SPACE. COULD YOU UPDATE US ON WHAT'S GOING ON THERE?

>> CURRENTLY WE SUSPENDED CONVERSATIONS REGARDING THAT WHILE THE CURRENT LEGAL ISSUES

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CIRCUMSTANCES CHANGE WE MAY REVISIT IT. >> COUNSELOR GREEN?

>> THINK IT MR. PRESIDENT. FOLLOWING UP ON COUNSELOR HANAN. HE BROUGHT UP A PREVIOUS PERSON WITHIN 3 MINUTES KIND OF LAID OUT THE FUNDING OF THE PARKS. SOME OF THE CONCERN ABOUT THE FUTURE FUNDING OF THE PARKS. IN OTHER DISCUSSIONS WE'VE HAD, AND PUBLIC MEETINGS YOU TALKED ABOUT THE POTENTIAL SHORTFALL BETWEEN THOSE 3 FUNDING SOURCES THAT WERE BROUGHT UP EARLIER AND WHAT'S NECESSARY, NOT TO PAY FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OR FUTURE CONSTRUCTION. JUST TO MAINTAIN THE PARKS WE HAVE. CAN YOU UPDATE US OR REMIND US

OF WHAT THE SHORT TALL IS CONSTRUCTED TO BE? >> ABSOLUTELY. ULTIMATELY WHAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED BASED ON OUR CURRENT PARKS AND RECREATION MASTER PLAN AS WELL AS OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. WE NEED ROUGHLY 2 POINT 8 ? ANNUALLY FOR OUR CAPITAL PAIRS REPLACEMENTS. SOME YEARS WE DON'T NEED THE FULL AMOUNT OTHER YEARS ARE LARGER YEARS.

ON AVERAGE THAT'S A DOLLAR AMOUNT WE WILL NEED LONG-TERM IN ORDER FOR US TO BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN THE INCREDIBLE ASSETS WE HAVE TODAY WHICH IS CERTAINLY AN EXPECTATION OF THE PUBLIC AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN. ADDITIONALLY, IN TOTAL WE NEED $4.65 MILLION ANNUALLY FOR BOTH THE CAPITAL REPAIRS OR REPLACEMENTS AS WELL AS THE EXPANSION OF THE PARK SYSTEM TO MEET THE GROWING NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY INCLUDING THE INCREASING POPULATION AND THE

COMMUNITY. >> I APPRECIATE THAT LEAD-IN. SO, YOU BROUGHT UP YOUR DOGS AND COUNSELOR RIDER ALSO BROUGHT UP THE DOGS. IS THERE STILL WEIGHTLESS DOG PARKS?

>> THERE IS. A COUPLE WEEKS AGO WE HAD A WAITLIST OF OVER 600 DOGS. A FEW OF THOSE HAVE COME OFF BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE OPEN ENROLLMENT AND I HAVEN'T SEEN WHERE THAT NUMBER IS CURRENTLY. WE ARE LOOKING AT LOCATIONS BOTH ON THE EAST AND WEST SIDES OF THE COMMUNITY TO

SUPPLEMENT THE ONE THAT'S IN CENTRAL PARK TODAY. >> ALL RIGHT, ASIDE FROM PEOPLE WHO WANT TO HAVE DOGS AND WE HAVE SOME CONCERNS. RIGHT NOW WERE HAVING DISCUSSIONS OR ARE WE GONNA HAVE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THE MAYOR TALK ABOUT THE POPULATION AT CARMEL INCREASING BY OVER 50,000 OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS. WHAT THE IMPACT IS ON THE CAPACITY OF DOG PARKS. THE CAPACITY WILL BE ON PARKS ON THE SWIMMING THAT OUR KIDS GO TO. ON THE MONON CENTER, ON ALL THE GREENING AREAS WHERE WE HAVE CONCERN WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH. WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH POTENTIALLY 50,000 MORE PEOPLE? SO, YOU SAID YOUR STRATEGIC PLAN YOU'RE GOING TO BE UPDATING YOUR STRATEGIC PLAN IN 2024?

>> THAT'S CORRECT. THE CURRENT COMPREHENSIVE PARKS AND RECREATION PLAN GOES THROUGH 2024. IT'S A 5-YEAR PLAN. WE WILL BEGIN THE PROCESS OF SOLICITING PUBLIC INPUT, WORKING WITH STAKEHOLDERS INCLUDING THE CITY COUNCIL IN PROBABLY AT MID 2023. IT TAKES US 12 TO 16 MONTHS TO COMPLETE THAT PLANNING DOCUMENT. THAT IS ON THE RADAR VERY SOON.

>> SO IT WOULD BE GOOD TO COORDINATE YOUR STRATEGIC PLAN WITH OUR BUDGET AND OUR STRATEGIC PLAN AND OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO NOT HAVING SOME TYPE OF CRISIS 3 OR 4 YEARS FROM NOW FOR THE MONON TRAIL IS TO BUSY TO WALK ON. AND MONON CENTERS TO BUSY TO GO TO. THE PARKS, WE DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY ANYMORE. I LOOK FORWARD FOR THOSE CONVERSATIONS ESPECIALLY AS ALL OF THE COUNSELORS OVER THE NEXT 11 TO 12 MONTHS WILL GO OUT THERE AND TALK TO MEMBERS OF CARMEL AND BEING ASKED THAT QUESTION. WHAT'S REALLY GONNA HAPPEN WITH 50,000 MORE PEOPLE ASIDE FROM THE TRAFFIC CONGESTION. OUR PARKS. WE CAN'T RELY COMPLETELY ON COUNSELOR WORRELL TO PLANT TREES EVERYWHERE. WITH THE HELP OF MY DAUGHTER.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU COUNSELOR GREEN. ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS WE WILL BE LOOKING TO DO IS THE SAME TIME WE UPDATE THAT COPPERHEADS OF MASTER PLAN WE WILL BE LOOKING AT THE CITY'S COMP PLAN AS WELL. IN INTEGRATING THAT HAVING THE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CITY COUNCIL AND TOWNSHIP BOARD. WE WILL BE UPDATING THE ZONING IMPROVEMENT PLAN WHICH IS A DOCUMENT THAT ESTABLISHES THE PARKS AND RECREATION IMPACT FEES. THOSE ARE DONE CONCURRENTLY BECAUSE WHAT YOU SAID IS CRITICAL. WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY ARE GOING TO BE SO THAT WE PLAN ACCORDINGLY. AND UNDERSTAND THE FINANCIAL

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RESOURCES THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITHOUT. >> PRESIDENT RIDER CAN ASK MY

QUESTION? >> ABSOLUTELY. >> HE BROUGHT UP THE SHORT FALL THE 2 MAIN HERE IN SICILY AND THERE. I THINK THERE WAS A NUMBER OF $40 MILLION IN TOTAL. THAT'S THE

COMPREHENSIVE SHORTFALL. >> RIGHT. >> IS ON ANTICIPATING THE

FUTURE WILL POPULATION GROWTH? >> IT'S ANTICIPATING FUTURE POPULATION GROWTH. I CANNOT ON THE SPOT TELLS YOU AND ENVISIONS 50,000. WE WERE LOOKING AT POPULATION TRENDS

BUT I THINK IT'S SOUTH OF THERE. >> I'M BETTING IT IS TOO. LAST THING, WE DISCUSSED WHAT THE CAPACITY WOULD BE FOR A POPULATION INCREASE AND YOU

SAID YOU DO IT BY RATIOS? >> WHAT WE LOOK AT, WE USE NATIONAL STANDARDS. WE LOOK AT SIMILAR PARKT SYSTEMS. SIMILAR COMMUNITIES AS WELL AS PRACTICALITY OF WHAT'S AVAILABLE. THERE'S ONLY A FINE ITEM OF LAND BETWEEN CLAY CARMEL AND TOWNSHIP. WE ESTABLISH RATIOS WITH EACH TYPE OF PARK AS WELL AS COMMUNITY PARKS, REGIONAL PARKS AND WHAT HAVE YOU. AS WELL AS MILES OF GREENWAYS, TYPES OF AMENITIES AND THOSE ARE BASED ON RATIOS WHICH TIED TO THE POPULATION. AS WE LOOK AT FUTURE POPULATION PROJECTIONS FOR CARMEL, WE CAN PLUG THOSE FORMULAS IN AND UNDERSTAND WHERE WE IDEALLY SHOULD BE IF WE WANT TO KEEP UP

TO THE STANDARDS WE HAVE TODAY. >> I APPRECIATE THAT. I LIKE FOR YOU TO GET THOSE RATIOS TO THE COUNSELORS AS WE START TALKING ABOUT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND BUDGETING OVER THE

NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS. >> HAPPY TO DO SO. THANK YOU. >> COUNSELOR WORRELL.

>> QUICKLY I WANT TO LET EVERYONE KNOW DOCTOR BERESFORD WAS A SUPERINTENDENT FOR CARMEL CLAY SCHOOLS WILL BE IN THIS ROOM WE 19TH FOR A PUBLIC MEETING AT 5:30 REGARDING ORCHARD PARK ELEMENTARY. IT'S REALLY ABOUT IF THE LEGAL SITUATION IS RESOLVED, WHAT WAS THE PLAN. WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN. IF ANYONE IS INTERESTED COUNSELOR AASEN,

THAT'S PART OF THE HOME PLACEMENT ADVISORY MEETING. >> COUNSELOR WORRELL I SHOULD EXPAND MY ANSWER TO THE COUNSELOR AASEN. WITH THAT WE SUSPENDED THAT THE CURRENT TIME. OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE SITUATIONS THAT IMPACT WHAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE ABLE TO OCCUR ON THAT SITE. AS A PARKS SYSTEM BECAUSE WE DO HAVE FINITE RESOURCES WE HAVE A CURRENT COMPREHENSIVE PARKS AND RECREATION MASTER PLAN. WE ARE FOCUSED ON THOSE PRIORITIES.

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>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU. >> OLD BUSINESS. NINTH READING ABORTED SEAT 670 ? 21 IN ORDER TO BECOME A COUNSEL OF SADDLE OF CARMI INDIANA MNE THE WESTLAKE VILLAGE PLAN PUNITIVE ELEMENT DISTRICT HORNETS SPONSORS COUNSELOR RIDER THIS DID REMAIN IN LAND-USE AND SPECIAL STUDIES COMMITTEE. WITHOUT OBJECTION I WILL PULL IT FROM THE COMMITTEE AND THIS ORDINANCE AMENDS WAS CLAY VILLAGE PLAN UNIT LAMENT IS AMENDED TO APPLY THE 500 FOOT SETBACK FROM RESIDENTIAL USE PROBABLY FOR GAS STATION PUMPS, PUMP ISLANDS AND VENT PIPES SET FORTH IN ORDINANCE E669 ? 21 TO THE WEST CLAY PUD DISTRICT.

>> MR. PRESIDENT? I FULLY SUPPORT YOU PULLING THIS ITEM AND WOULD ASK THAT THE COUNCIL

PASS THIS WITH A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION. >> OF EMOTION, TO HAVE A

SECOND? >> SECOND. >> IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? ARE YOU READY? WHAT'S THAT? NO. ALL RIGHT, PLEASE VOTE. AND WE HAVE A 7 ? 0. MOVING ON.

RESOLUTION CC ? 04182201. RESOLUTION OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL INDIANA ADOPTING THE CARMEL COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SPONSOR IS COUNSELOR RIDER. THIS WAS SET TO LAND-USE AND SPECIAL STUDIES COMMITTEE. THIS WILL BE COMING UP SOON. SECOND READING OF ORDINANCE D 26 2222 HORNETS OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL INDIANA AUTHORIZING THE ISSUANCE OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TAX INCREMENT REVENUE BONDS TO SUPPORT THE DEVELOPER OF A FORMAL AT&T SITE AND AUTHORIZING AND APPROVING OTHER ACTIONS IN RESPECT THERETO. SPONSOR IS COUNSELOR WHALE. THIS WAS SENSITIVE FINANCE AND RULES COMMITTEE COUNSELOR WORRELL ASKED THIS MR. PRESIDENT THIS GOES BACK TO THE FULL COUNSEL OF YOUTUBE VIDEOS FROM THE FINANCE COMMITTEE. IT RETURNS TO COUNCIL WITH POSITIVE

RECOMMENDATION 3 ? ONE. >> THANK YOU. >> GOOD EVENING MR. PRESIDENT.

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THIS IS $133 MILLION MIXED-USE DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED FINANCE COMMITTEE A COUPLE OF TIMES. DO HAVE REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE DEVELOPER HERE TODAY. I CAN EITHER DO A QUICK RECAP ON THE SLIDE OR TURN IT OVER TO THE DEVELOPERS FOR THEM TO PRESENT.

YOU HAVE A PREFERENCE? >> IT'S YOUR SHOW. >> OKAY. WE HAVE 244 UNIT MULTIFAMILY BUILDING. THIS IS THE BUILDING ON THE SOUTH END OF THE PROJECT. YOU CAN SEE WE'VE GOT A SITE PLAN, LET ME SEE IF I COULD GET MY MOUSE TO WORK. THERE WE GO. ON THE SOUTH END OF THE PROJECT WE HAVE MULTI FAMILY. WE HAVE AN 80,000 SQUARE-FOOT CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS. WHICH IS AN EXPANSION OF MERCHANT SQUARE. WE HAVE A 37 SQUARE-FOOT QUARTERS WHICH IS PURE DEVELOPMENT. THE 2 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT WERE MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, THE 400 SPACE PARKING GARAGE WHICH IS INCORPORATED INTO THE MULTI FAMILY BUILDING. ALONG WITH THE SOLAR COMPONENT AND PUBLIC ART. I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE SOMEBODY FROM BUCKINGHAM COME AND TALK ABOUT THE SITE PLAN ITSELF. I KNOW THEY HAD SOME

DETAILS THEY WANTED TO SHARE. >> HI EVERYBODY MY NAME IS RICK HAHN. I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF BUCKINGHAM COMPANIES. TODAY WE WANT TO DISCUSS A FEW OF THE HIGHLIGHTS ON THE PROJECT. A FEW ITEMS I WILL REPEAT WHAT JANELLE HAS ARCTIC MENTION. FIRST TO START OFF IT'S 133 MILLION DOLLARS MIXED-USE PROJECT. IT'S ONE THAT'S BEEN AT LEAST A YEAR IN THE MAKING.

BUT WORKING BEHIND THE SCENES WITH THE CITY ALREADY JUST GETTING CONVERSATIONS GOING.

HEARING FROM COMMUNITY MEMBERS AS WELL. WE LOOK FORWARD TO IF WE ARE FORTUNATE TO RECEIVE APPROVAL TONIGHT. WORKING THROUGH SEARCY APPROVAL, ZONING APPROVAL YOU DLS, PLANNING COMMISSION, HEARING THE HEARINGS AND COMMUNITY MEETINGS TO HEAR FROM ALL THE CONSTITUENTS AS WELL. THAT WE WANT TO DO SO TO MAKE THE PROJECT A WIN-WIN FOR EVERYBODY. WITHOUT IT IS A PARTNERSHIP. I GET MYSELF RECON WE HAVE STEPHEN FRANKS, KRISTIN DAVIS IN ADDITION TO PURE DEVELOPMENT. WHICH ALSO HAS A COUPLE LOCAL RESIDENTS ON THEIR TEAM. JON CARPENTER, ELIZABETH BRIAR, ANDREA CASTANEDA ANDREW SANDERS AS WELL. MORAL HERE TONIGHT IN ATTENDANCE. AS JANELLE MENTIONED IT IS AN 80,000 SQUARE-FOOT HEADQUARTERS FOR THE MERCHANT'S BANK. IT'S AN EXTENSION OF THEIR BUILDING ACROSS THE STREET CLOSER TO MIDTOWN PLAZA. THE 37,000 SQUARE-FOOT BOUTIQUE OFFICE HEADQUARTERS FOR PURE. IT DOES HAVE A SMALL FAMILY OFFICE BUILDING AS WELL. THE 244 RESIDENCES IN THE MULTI FAMILY BUILDING. A COUPLE THINGS TO NOTE. WE DO HAVE ON THE FAR NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING WE HAVE A 2-STORY STEP WITH TOWNHOMES THAT ARE NO TALLER THAN 30 FEET. HOPEFULLY TO HELP WITH SOME OF THE UTO ISSUES THERE. WE ALSO ARE OVER 100 FEET AWAY FROM THE NEAREST ADJACENT HOME. JUST TO BECOME MISSIVE OF THAT WE WANT TO BE SENSITIVE TO THE SURROUNDINGS. IN ADDITION WE DO NOT HAVE ANY COMMERCIAL PROPERTY IN THE BUILDING AT ALL. JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT IS KNOWN. WE DO HAVE LEAD WORK RESIDENCES FOR SMALL BUSINESSES AND ENTREPRENEURS ALIKE. IN ADDITION THE 400 PARKING SPACES THEY WILL HAVE FULL ACCESSIBILITY AS WELL AS ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING STATIONS. BUILT INTO THE PGARAGE. WE ALSO WILL BE PROVIDING AMPLE STORMWATER DETENTION WHICH WILL HELP NOT ONLY OUR PROPERTY BUT ADJACENT PROPERTIES AS WELL. IN ADDITION TO THAT I'M ENDING ON THAT. WE HAVE A BEAUTIFIED AND HIGHLY GREEN BUFFER YARD SEPARATION. AGAIN THAT'S OF THE NORTHERN END OF THE MULTI FAMILY DEVELOPMENT THERE. GOING TO BE CALLING THAT THE PEDESTRIAN PROMENADE. REALLY THAT DOES HELP CREATE MORE GREENERY. WE WILL HAVE A BOULEVARD OF TREES IN THAT SPACE. IT WILL HAVE A MIXTURE OF DECORATIVE PAVERS TO HELP

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DOWN TO MIDTOWN PLAZA. THAT IS ALL I HAVE RIGHT NOW. >> COUNSELOR HANAN.

>> THEY GIVE US THE PRESIDENT. THEY B ILLUSTRATE FOR THE FOLKS THAT ARE HERE THAT ARE NOT FROM THE JOHNSON ADDITION, WILSON VILLAGE. SEVERAL COMMENTS AND CONCERNS ARE BROUGHT UP FOR TRANSITION. IF YOU COULD POINT OUT THE 2 PROPERTIES THAT YOU HAVE BOUGHT THE PROPERTIES THROUGH THE BZA AND HOPING TO GET A LOT SPLIT TO BE ABLE TO GET THAT OFFER. BUT THEN BUILDING BIGGER HOMES CLOSER. CAN YOU SHOW THOSE AND THEN THE LOCATION TO MR. JEWELERS

PROPERTY AND JULIE'S PROPERTY AS WELL. >> THERE ARE THE 2 HOMES THERE.

IF YOU CAN SEE THE MOUSE. IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO SEE. THIS IS FUTURE STATE. RIGHT NOW THIS WOULD BE THE FUTURE STATE. AGAIN YOU WOULD HAVE TO SPLIT THE LOTS IF YOU PURCHASE THROUGH THE BZA. THOSE HOMES GET CLOSER TO THE FRONTAGE THEN AGAIN POINTING OUT BRUCE AND

JULIE'S PROPERTIES. >> THE 2 HOMES THERE. THEN VERSUS PROPERTIES DIRECTLY TO THE WEST. WE DO HAVE FROM THAT NEAREST BUILDING OR NEAREST HOME WE DO HAVE ABOUT 106 FEET TO THE FACE OF OUR TOWNHOME. THE 2-STORY TOWNHOMES. ADDITIONAL HUNDRED 33 FEET FROM THIS GENTLEMAN'S HOME TO THE TOP OF OUR 6-STORY BUILDING. ONE THING TO KEEP IN MIND WITH THAT AS WELL IS AN ADJACENT PROPERTY AND THE DISTINCTION THAT WE ARE ACTUALLY INCREASING THE DISTANCE THERE FROM OUR BUILDING TO THE BACK OF THE GENTLEMEN'S HOME VERSUS ON SECOND STREET WHERE WE DO HAVE THE OTHER DEVELOPMENT, THE RAILYARD DEVELOPMENT THERE AND TO THE FRONT OF THE HOMES IN THE FACE OF THE BUILDING WE HAVE A MUCH SMALLER ABOUT A 50 FOOT DIFFERENCE THERE. ABOUT 73 AND 75 FEET IN REFERENCE. WE ARE TRY TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THAT DISTANCE THERE TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE PARKS AND THE LAST THING IS A LOT OF THE CONVERSATIONS FROM THE FOLKS THAT NEIGHBORHOOD IS 6 STORIES WHICH IS LARGER THAN I THINK MOST OF THE PROPERTIES EVEN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THIRD AVENUE ALONG THE MONON. CAN YOU TALK ABOUT HEIGHT. WHAT IS THE HEIGHT OF THIS BUILDING AND HOW DOES THAT COMPARE FOR EXAMPLE TO THE RAILYARD'S ON SECOND STREET AND SECOND STREET

SOUTHWEST. >> FOR THE EDO MAXIMUM 75 FOOT. WE ARE AROUND 70 FEET MAXIMUM ON OUR BUILDING OF THE 6 STORIES. WE ARE LOWER THERE TRYING TO BE UNDERSTANDING OF THAT. RAILYARD DON'T HAVE THE EXACT BUT, LOOKING THROUGH GOOGLE EARTH AND TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING. THERE'S A VARIANCE THERE BETWEEN THEM PROPER BUILDING ON SECOND STREET WHICH IS, IT IS 3 STORIES. THERE IS, MY APPROXIMATION WAS ABOUT A 40 FOOT HEIGHT. AT THE CORNER DOWN TOWARDS WHERE THE GOAT RESTAURANT USED TO BE THAT IT'S 5 STORIES THERE WHICH IS NEAR 60 FEET. IT IS EDGING CLOSER TOWARDS OUR TOTAL HEIGHT.

>> THANK YOU. >> COUNSELOR AASEN? >> THANK YOU MR. PRESIDENT. I HAVE SOME COMMENTS. FIRST, ASK A QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S FOR JANELLE OR MIKE. THE WAY THE ZONING CURRENTLY SITS ON THIS AREA, WHAT WOULD BE ALLOWED COMPARED TO WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED. BASICALLY IF NOTHING GETS APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WHAT WOULD

CHANGE? >> MY COMPANY HAVE TO ASK YOU TO ANSWER THAT. THAT.

>> MICHAEL OLA BALDD DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY SERVICES. COULD YOU REPEAT THE T THE QUESTION.

>> THE ZONING AS IT IN THIS LAND RIGHT OW WHAT IS ALLOWABLE TO BE BUILT WHAT'S ALLOWABLE TO

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BE PRESENTED. >> THE PROJECT STRADDLES OWNS, THE MULTI FAMILY AND THE HEADQUARTERS BUILDING IN A GOOD PORTION OF THE PURE HEADQUARTERS ALL SIT ON C2 GROUND. AND SO THOSE PROJECTS WILL BE REVIEWED FOR COMPLIANCE WITH THE C2. THE FAMILY OFFICE , THAT'S PLACED ON OR TO ITS OWN GROUND. RESIDENTIAL. THEY WILL BE SEEKING A USE VARIANCE BY THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS FOR THAT. THEN TO SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES. THEY SIT ON SINGLE-FAMILY ZONE LOTS. THOSE LOTS THAT ARE PROPOSED ARE LITTLE SMALLER THAN WHAT'S REQUIRED IN THE R2 ZONE. THEY WILL ALSO BE BEFORE THE ZONE ABORTING AN APPEALS TO GET

THOSE LOTS REVIEWED AND APPROVED. >> THE HEIGHTS OF HEADQUARTERS

THAT'S ALL ALLOWABLE CURRENTLY UNDER THE ZONING? >> YES.

>> OKAY. THAT'S ONE THING, POINT OUT. WERE NOT VOTING ON A RESUME OF THE PROJECT. WERE NOT VOTING ON THE DETAILS OF THE PROJECT. THIS IS A TIF BOND. THIS IS A FINANCIAL DECISION THAT WERE MAKING TONIGHT MORE THAN THE ACTUAL ZONING WHICH HAVE BEEN APPROVED BY COUNCIL'S IN THE PAST. THOSE ARE JUST 2 COMMENTS ON ONE MAKE BEFORE VOTE. I'M EXCITED TO HEAR WHAT WE HAVE SEVERAL ITEMS ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT THAT TALLY OVER $300 MILLION IN INVESTMENT IN OUR CITY. PEOPLE WANT TO BE HERE TO OPEN THEIR BUSINESS. TO BRING THEIR EMPLOYEES HERE APPEARED TO LEAVE HERE. THE BIG PART OF THIS PROJECT IS MERCHANTS HEADQUARTERS WHO INVESTED HERE IN CARMEL IS SO HAPPY WITH THEIR INVESTMENT THAT THEY WANT TO EXPAND YOUR THEY WANT TO BRING MORE WORKERS AND MORE INVESTMENT INTO OUR COMMUNITY. THIS MEANS MORE TAX DOLLARS FOR OUR SCHOOLS. MORE TAX DOLLARS FOR OUR PARKS.

TREES, GREEN SPACE, PLAYGROUNDS. IF YOU LOOK AT THE MIDTOWN AREA THERE'S A REASON WHY MORE PEOPLE WANT TO INVEST IN THE COMMUNITY. IT'S POPULAR. I TOOK MY DAUGHTER THERE THE OTHER DAY. I TRY TO GET A TABLE AT A RESTAURANT TO EAT. WAS OVER AN HOUR WAIT AT EVERY RESTAURANT NEARBY. TO SAY WE SHOULD DISCOURAGE PEOPLE WANTING TO SPEND HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN INVESTMENT AT NO TAXPAYER RISK TO OUR COMMUNITY. IT HELPS PAY FOR OUR SCHOOLS. PAY FOR OUR PARKS. PAY FOR OUR ROADS WHERE YOU CAN'T FIND A POTHOLE HERE IN CARMEL. I SEE THIS AS A HUGE POSITIVE THING. I'M EXCITED PEOPLE WANT TO CONTINUE TO INVEST IN CARMEL. THE TRUTH IS, IF WE DON'T CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THESE DEVELOPERS TO BUILD SOMETHING THAT'S GREAT FOR THE COMMUNITY, THEY WILL GO TO OTHER CITIES. AND OTHER CITIES WILL SEE THIS INVESTMENT. WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF THINGS ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT. IF YOU ADDED UP IT'S OVER $300 MILLION OF INVESTMENT IN OUR CITY. I DON'T WANT THAT

TO GET LOST ON PEOPLE TONIGHT. THANK YOU. >> COUNSELOR GREEN?

>> YEAH, I CONCUR ON SOME OF WHAT COUNSELOR AASEN SAID. THE USE OF TIF. IN ITS USE IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN THE RIGHT WAY. SEVERAL OF THESE PROJECTS COMING THROUGH, $300 MILLION OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT. INVESTMENT. HOW MUCH OF THAT IS POSITIVE. I HAVE SOME HESITATIONS ON THE SPECIFIC PROJECT WOULD LIKE TO HAVE YOU CLARIFY MIKE. IF YOU COULD. IF THIS WASN'T APPROVED GOING BACK TO COUNSELOR AASEN'S ORIGINAL QUESTION. IF THIS WASN'T ORIGINALLY APPROVED, THE 2 HOMES IN THE FUTURE STATE AND THE FAMILY OFFICE WOULD NOT BE

BUILT. IS THAT CORRECT? UNDER THE RESIDENTIAL TIF? >> IF THE DO NOT GET THE

VARIANCES THEY NEED AND THEY WILL NOT BE BUILT. >> OKAY. WHAT'S THE PRESIDENT FOR THOSE VARIANCES FOR PROJECTS LIKE THIS BEING APPROVED BY THE BZA?

>> THE BZA ISN'T REALLY A PRECEDENT SETTING. LOOK AT EACH VARIANCE OR ISSUE BEFORE THEM INDIVIDUALLY. AND SO THEY WILL LOOK AT THIS OBJECTIVELY. THERE'S NO PRECEDENT FOR

SOMETHING LIKE THIS. >> THAT'S PROBABLY A GOOD ANSWER BECAUSE IS THERE A

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RESIDENTIAL AREA? YOU KNOW IN NEIGHBORHOOD? >> THIS IS A PRETTY UNIQUE PROJECT. WE'VE BUILT A NUMBER OF MULTIPLE STORY BUILDINGS. THIS MORNING IS PROBABLY THE CLOSEST TO WHEN NEIGHBORHOOD WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE ONE ACROSS THE STREET WHICH IS CLOSER. BUT, WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALL THE MOVING PARTS ON THIS WITH HOMES BEING BUILT.

POTENTIAL FOREIGN OFFICE, THIS MORNING'S PRETTY UNIQUE. >> GOING BACK TO THE MULTI

FAMILY AREA. THAT'S COMMERCIAL? >> THAT IS C2 CELL.

>> YEAH, C2. SO UNDER C2 A 2-STORY COULD BE BUILT? >> UP TO 75 FEET, YES.

>> COUNSELOR WORRELL? >> THANK YOU MR. PRESIDENT. DON'T GO AWAY MR. HOLUB. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT BECAME CLEAR THE FINANCE COMMITTEE MEETING WAS THAT OUR GOAL HERE FOR OUR JOB WAS TO LOOK AT THE FINANCING. WE HEARD EVERY RESIDENT ON TIME FOR EVERY RESIDENT BOTH MEETINGS THAT WANTED TO SPEAK. HER JOB REALLY WASN'T INTO GET INTO ZONING AND PLANNING. THOSE PROCESSES ARE STILL YET TO HAPPEN. SO MY FIRST ASK YOU THEN OF THEM ASKED THE DEVELOPER. WHAT DO YOU ANTICIPATE IS THE LEVEL OF MODIFICATIONS THAT COULD BE DONE, YET TO BE DONE, SHOULD BE DONE? BECAUSE I HAVE EMPATHY WITH THE RESIDENTS WHO LIVED HERE WHO IN MY MIND THIS WAS NEVER COMPLETE. THIS WAS NEVER A DONE DEAL. I'VE SENSED FROM THE PEOPLE WHO ARE SPEAKING HERE TONIGHT AND CAME TO FINANCE THAT THIS IS EXACTLY HOW IT'S GOING TO BE. COULD YOU SPEAK A LITTLE TO THAT AND

WHAT PROCESSES YET TO HAVE HAPPEN? >> GUESS WOULD SAY THAT THERE WILL BE A LENGTHY OBJECTIVE REVIEW PROCESS THAT GOES INTO THIS PROJECT AND THE OTHER ONES THAT WILL BE DISCUSSED LATER IN THE MEETING. YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD TO SAY AND THERE IS STILL A LOT OF DISCUSSION AND PROECT MANEUVERING BETWEEN THE DEVELOPER AND THE CRC. I THINK THE OUTCOME OF THIS EVENING MAY AFFECT THAT TOO. BUT THE CRC DESIGN REVIEW PROCESS DOES INCLUDE ALL THE CITY DEPARTMENTS AND THE FIRE CODE WILL BE CONSIDERED. THERE WILL BE OTHER THINGS BESIDES JUST ZONING THAT GO INTO THE REVIEW TO MAKE SURE ALL OF THE EYES ARE DOTTED AND TEES ARE CROSSED. AS TO THE LEVEL OF PMODIFICATIONS, I DON'T KNOW TH ANSWER TO THAT. THE DEPARTMENT STAFF WILL BE MORE INVOLVED THAN I WILL IN THOSE REVIEW DISCUSSIONS. MEET HENRY AND HIS TEAM ARE INVOLVED OF THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS ARE. BECAUSE ULTIMATELY THE PLANNING COMMISSION HEARING OFFICERS IS ME. I TRIED TO DISTANCE MYSELF FROM THE REVIEW OF THOSE. JUST TO HELP KEEP OBJECTIVELY GET TO THE GOAL.

>> THAT'S FAIR. DEVELOPER, MR. DEVELOPER TO HAVE ANY COMMENTS TO THAT? LINE OF QUESTIONING?

>> INITIALLY WE UNDERSTAND THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING. WE HAVE WORKED REALLY HARD ON THIS INITIAL PASS WHICH WE UNDERSTAND IS NOT THE FINAL VERSION. THIS INITIAL PASS TO HELP UNDERSTANDABLY STEP THE BUILDINGS AND THE STRUCTURES THERE. BEING VERY COGNIZANT OF JOHNSON ADDITION AND ALL THE ADJACENT AREAS. THAT'S WHAT

I'D SAY. >> WERE FACED WITH AN ABANDONED BUILDING THAT IS BEEN THAT WAY FOR MANY YEARS. I TOOK THE APPROACH AND I TRUST THE PROCESS AND THIS IS ALSO UNFORTUNATE. IT ISN'T THE WAY WE ALWAYS WANTED THAT YOU DON'T APPROVE THE MONEY UNTIL YOU HAVE A DESIGN. YOU CAN'T ASK THESE DEVELOPERS TO CREATE A PROJECT THAT THEY DON'T KNOW IF

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THANK YOU. >> COUNSELOR GREEN? >> MIKE, ONE MORE QUESTION.

JUST TO CLARIFY. AFTER APPROVAL THIS WILL GO THROUGH THE PROCESS BUT, THE PROCESS DOES NOT ENTAIL EVER COMING BACK BEFORE THE COUNCIL? IS THAT CORRECT?

>> THAT IS CORRECT. >> I TRUST THE PROCESS BUT I HAVE THE HESITATION ON THE COUNCIL JUST VOTING AND THEN YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENS AND WHAT HAPPENS?

>> THE OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? COUNSELOR AASEN? >> THE QUESTION JUST MY COMMENTS. JUST DO A SYNOPSIS IN THE FINANCE COMMITTEE. I'M NOT FOR THIS ALTHOUGH I THINK IT'S A GOOD DEVELOPMENT. I THINK THE DEVELOPERS GOING TO CREATE A GOOD PROJECT. I UNDERSTAND THE ECONOMIC IMPACT. 2 REASONS I'M NOT SUPPORTIVE OF THIS IS AGAIN IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UNDERSTAND THE FINANCE AS A FINANCIAL REVIEW. IT THEN GOES TO BZA AND PLANNING COMMISSION. ANYONE UNDERSTANDS THERE'S MORE LEVERAGE AND MORE TIME TO TALK ABOUT MODIFICATIONS. WHERE THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT DEVIANCE IS THROUGH THE BZA PROCESS.

TRY TO GET SOME OF THOSE COMMITMENTS UPFRONT. THAT'S NUMBER ONE. NUMBER 2, I CIRCULATED IT AN EMAIL TO MY FELLOW COUNCIL'S. BUT IT LIKE TO SEE GOING FORWARD. THAT IS JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE, FOR THIS PROPERTY I THINK MORE OR LESS ALL THE PROPERTIES FOR THE NEXT 25 YEARS ALL TAX REVENUE FROM THOSE PROPERTIES WILL GO TO THE DEVELOPER WITH SOME SMALL AMOUNT TO THE CRC. NEXT 25 YEARS, I CAN'T DO THE MATH OF WHAT YOUR THAT IS. NONE OF THOSE DOLLARS WILL GO TO POLICE, FIRE, DRAINAGE, YOU KNOW ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE NEAR AND DEAR TO OUR HEARTS. LOOKING THROUGH THE TIF STATUTES IT SAYS THAT DOLLARS FROM TIF CANNOT JUST BE USED OR NOT JUST ALLOWABLE WITH THE ALLOCATION DISTRICT THEY CAN GO INTO WHAT ARE CALLED SERVING DISTRICTS. THE NEIGHBORHOODS AROUND THOSE PARTICULAR TIFT DISTRICTS. MY ASKING THIS PROCESS WAS IF WE CAN TAKE SOME OF THIS 20+ MILLION DOLLARS AND USE THAT FOR INFRASTRUCTURE AND SOME OF OUR OLDER NEIGHBORHOOD SUCH AS THE JOHNSON WILSON ADDITION FOR THE BASICS OF STREETLIGHTS, DRAINAGE, SIDEWALKS. IT COULD BE A WIN-WIN NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER 2 IT COULD SET A PRECEDENT IN THE FUTURE.

AGAIN, THESE ARE WINDFALLS TO THE DEVELOPERS. DOWNSTREAM IN 25 YEARS. WE HOPE THEIR WINDFALLS TO THE CITIZENS OF CARMEL. I MAY NOT BE HERE IN A VARIETY OF WAYS. WHAT CAN WE DO TODAY? WHAT CAN WE DO TODAY THAT'S INNOVATIVE AND COMPLETELY ALLOWABLE BY THE STATUTES TO GET SOME ADDITIONAL DOLLARS OUT OF THESE TIF DISTRICTS TO IMPROVE OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. ESPECIALLY OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS WITHIN THE VIBRANT CENTRAL DISTRICT. FOR THOSE 2 REASONS WITH THE CLEAR ACKNOWLEDGMENT, THIS IS GOOD DEVELOPERS, GOOD PROJECTS,

THAT'S THE REASON I'M NOT IN SUPPORT OF THIS. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR

QUESTIONS? COUNSELOR FINKAM? >> IN THE FINANCE COMMITTEE I ASKED THE CRC TO PROVIDE ME WITH SOME INFORMATION REGARDING WHAT OTHER ADDITIONAL FEES AND REVENUES WOULD COME FROM THIS PROJECT. IN MARCH 2020 OR SOMEWHERE IN 2020 IT'S ALL A BLUR. WE DID INITIATE A PROGRAM BY WHERE WE COULD TAP IN TO AN IMPACT SUMMARY. WE WILL LOOK AT NOT JUST REAL PROPERTY TAX ON THE PROPERTY BUT, LOOKING AT RETAINED AND DIRECT JOBS, EMPLOYMENT INDUCED JOBS, AND INCOME TAX THAT COMES FROM IT AS WELL AS LOCAL TAX REVENUE, FOOD AND BEVERAGE TAX.

THE CITY WATER CONNECTIONS AND OTHER AVAILABLE FEES. I ASKED THEM TO SUMMARIZE THAT. WANTED

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INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD NEARBY. POLICE AND FIRE AND SUCH AND SO FORTH. WANT TO THROW THAT INTO THE MIX. EVEN THOUGH THERE'S ONLY 5 PERCENT OF TIF THAT WOULD BE COMING BACK ON THIS PROJECT INTO THE CITY BUDGET, THERE IS ANOTHER 750,000 THAT

WILL BE COMING BACK AND OTHER RELATED REVENUES. >> IMPORTANT INFORMATION .

COUNSEL FINKAM, THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COUNCIL QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?

>> MR. PRESIDENT? >> MR. BOREAL? >> LEAVE ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

>> I WILL ASK THAT WE PROVE ? ? TAX REVENUE INCREMENT BONES. >> WITH THEIR SECOND?

>> SECOND. >> IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE. IT IS 6 ? 22 IN FAVOR. MOVING ON WE HAVE SECOND READING OF ORDINANCE D 26 2322 ORBITS OF COMMON COUNSEL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL INDIANA AUTHOR WE SEEING THE.[INAUDIBLE] AUTHORIZE IMPROVING OLD ACTIONS AND RESPECT THERETO. SPENCER IS COUNSELOR MOREL. COUNSELOR

WORLD THIS IS GOING BACK FOR FINANCE. >> YES, MR. PRESIDENT THIS RETURNS FOR ? 0. POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION BACK TO THE COUNCIL. CIL.

>> JANEL, IT'S ALL YOURS. >> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU MR. PRESIDENT. THIS NEXT PROJECT BEFORE YOU IS THE ERS, OLD MERIDIAN AND MAIN PROJECT. EDWARD ROSE AND SENSES DEVELOPER. IT WAS A 75 WENT FOR 5 MIXED OF ELEMENT WITH 256 LUXURY APARTMENTS. THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT WILL HAVE 22 4 CELL CONDO UNITS. THIS IS A MAJOR OBSTACLE TO OVERCOME FOR DEVELOPERS AND WERE EXCITED TO HAVE THIS COMING TO THE PROJECT AS AN AMENITY FOR THE CITY. AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE MULTIFAMILY UNITS IN OUR, IN ONE OF HER CRC PROJECTS. WE WILL HAVE MOST 10TH OUNCE OR SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE AND COMMERCIAL SPACE AND 500 0 50 SE PUBLIC PARKING THAT WILL BE ALLOWED FOR THE PUBLIC. SINCE A SOLAR PROJECT AND A 90 TIF SPLIT. THE 2 THAT WILL BE COMING NEXT, DEVELOPER BACKED BOND. THE PREVIOUS AV PER ACRE ON THIS PROJECT WAS ONLY $368,000 A YEAR. OUR FUTURE AV FOR ACRE IS THE MOST $12.5 BILLION PER ACRE. THIS IS A GREAT PROJECT WE LIKE FOR YOU TO CONSIDER. REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM HERE

APPEARED TO TALK MORE ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT. >> THANK YOU.

>> GOOD EVENING MR. PRESIDENT AND MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL. THE RECORD MY NAME IS STEVE HARPER. I'M REPRESENTING EDWARD ROSE. JANELLE DID A GREAT JOB. WE HAD ONE INTRODUCTION AT FINANCE COMMITTEE AND WE HAVE A LONG MEETING TONIGHT. WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD. I THINK SHE COVER THE HIGHLIGHTS. MIKE GORMAN IS HERE. WE LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING TO WORK WITH THE CRC IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> COUNSIL UP? COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?

>> COUNCILMAN CAMPBELL. >> THIS IS APPROVED WITH THE TIMELINE FOR BUILDING THIS? I THINK IT'S GOOD WAY TO FINISH OUT THAT ROUNDABOUTINTERSECTION BUT I WOULD BE CURIOUS ABOUT THE TIMELINE. WE CURRENTLY ANTICIPATE IT WOULD BEGIN OF THE FIRST QUARTER OF NEXT YEAR. THERE ARE SOME LEASES SOME OF THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE STILL IN THE CENTER. THOSE OF RECORD NEEDED TOWARDS THE LATER PART OF THIS YEAR. IT'S ANTICIPATED, IT'S POSSIBLE IT MIGHT HAPPEN AS SOON AS DECEMBER. MORE LIKELY TO BE

FIRST QUARTER OF NEXT YEAR. THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR

QUESTIONS? I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> MR. PRESIDENT MOVED TO

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APPROVE. >> SECOND. >> ANY DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE. THAT IS 8 ? THE MAC. THANK YOU. NEXT WE HAVE SECOND READING OF ORDINANCE D 2624 22 AND ORBITS OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE SADDLE OF CARMEL INDIANA THERE SEE THE ISSUANCE OF ECONOMIC TO MOMENT TAX INCREMENT REVENUE BONDS TO SUPPORT THE CONCOURSE PROJECT AND AUTHORIZING AND APPROVING OTHER ACTIONS IN RESPECT THERETO. SPONSORS COUNSELOR

MOREL IN HIS WAY BACK FROM FINANCE COMMITTEE. >> MR. PRESIDENT THIS RETURNS

WITH A 4 ? AS IN POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION. >> THANK YOU MR. PRESIDENT.

THIS IS THE CONCOURSE PROJECT. WHICH IS BEING DEVELOPED BY VILLAGE CAPITAL. I'M REALLY EXCITED TO ANNOUNCE THIS IS OUR FIRST WORKFORCE HOUSING PROJECT IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CRC.

22 PERCENT WORKFORCE HOUSING ON THIS PROJECT WE WILL HAVE ABBY FRANCE TALKING ABOUT THAT SHORTLY. WE WILL INCLUDE 99 LUXURY APARTMENTS. ALONG WITH 23,000 SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE AND COMMERCIAL AND 2:30 SPACE PUBLIC PARKING GARAGE. AGAIN 75 PERCENT OPEN AND FREE TO THE PUBLIC. ANOTHER SOLAR COMPONENT WHICH WERE TRYING TO INCORPORATE INTO ALL OF OUR CRC PROJECTS. 9010 TIF SPLIT. PREVIOUS AV PER ACRE ON THIS LAND IS 300,000. FUTURE AV PER ACRE IS ABOUT 10.5 MILLION. THIS IS THE PARCEL LOCATED JUST TO THE SOUTH OF THE WATER TOWER ALONG THE MONON. IT WILL BE NICE TO HAVE THIS GREAT ARCHITECTURE MAY SINK THE MONON IN THE NEAR FUTURE. I'D LOVE PTO TURN THIS OVER TO BE FRANCE TO TALK MORE ABOUT THE PROJECT.

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU JANEL AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. I'M REALLY EXCITED TO HELP BREAK THE CONCOURSE BUILDING TO CARMEL AS JANELLE SAID. IT WILL BRING 22 UNITS OF WORKFORCE HOUSING TO CARMEL WHICH IS GREAT. THAT IS 22 OF THE 99 UNITS. 77 WILL BE AT MARKET RATE. WE WILL HAVE THE FIRST FLOOR BE COMMERCIAL SPACE AND OFFICE SPACE. WE ARE TRYING TO GET A RESTAURANT FOR JUDGMENT THAT WANTED A RESTAURANT IN THE MONON. I'M ACTUALLY EXCITED TO MENTION THE PUBLIC, RECALLING AT A PEDESTRIAN PLACE YOU CAN SEE IN THE UPPER RIGHT-HAND CORNER OF THE SCREEN. NICE PARK AREA I SHOULD CONNECT TO THE MONON AND MAKE IT MORE WALKABLE. THE TIF MONIES WE ARE REQUESTING TONIGHT WILL HELP BUILD THE PARKING GARAGE. WHICH ONE OF 229 SPACES. 75 PERCENT WILL BE RESERVED FOR PUBLIC USE. IT WILL HAVE A SOONER COMPONENT WHICH WERE EXCITED ABOUT. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS?

>> COUNCIL, COMETS OR QUESTIONS? COUNSELOR HANAN? >> SAID THIS A FINANCE COMMITTEE. I THINK THIS IS A GOOD PROJECT. ONE IS FILLING IN A PRETTY BIG HOLE ALONG THE MONON. I THANK YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT SOMETHING EVEN FURTHER SOUTH THAN THAT. I APPRECIATE THE WORKFORCE HOUSING. IT'S SMALL, 22 UNITS BUT IT'S A START. I CERTAINLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE DISCUSSIONS THROUGH COUNCIL THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION, THROUGH THE UTO PROCESS REVIEW ABOUT WHAT WE COULD DO FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. LEASE THESE 22 IS A

GOOD START. THANK YOU. >> COUNSELOR AASEN? >> THANK YOU MR. PRESIDENT. I WANT TO ECHO COUNSELOR HANAN'S COMMENTS ABOUT THE WORKFORCE HOUSING. IF YOU LOOK AROUND EVERY BUSINESS IS HAVING PROBLEMS HIRING. ONE WAY TO ADDRESS THAT IS PAYABLE TO HAVE WORKERS THAT CAN LIVE CLOSE TO THESE BUSINESSES. I KNOW THIS IS 22 UNITS BUT, HOPEFULLY THIS WILL BE A MODEL FOR OTHER PLACES. UNFORTUNATELY THERE ARE SOME MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT WORKFORCE HOUSING. PEOPLE HEAR THE TERM AND THEY HAVE SOMETHING IN THEIR MIND THAT BELIEF DOESN'T REFLECT THE REALITY OF WHAT IT IS. LOOK FORWARD TO PEOPLE SEEING THIS PROJECT. SEEING HOW NICE THE WORKFORCE HOUSING ACTUALLY IS. AND HELPING BUILD THAT SUPPORT SO WE CAN HAVE MORE OF IT THROUGHOUT OUR COMMUNITY IN THE COMING YEARS.

>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? >> MR. PRESIDENT.

>> COUNSELOR MOREL. I WAS TRYING TO FIND MY STATISTICS. I THINK IT'S WISE AS WE GO THROUGH ALL OF THESE PROJECTS. I WANT TO GET SOME CONTEXT FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE WATCHING. I RECEIVED QUESTIONS AND I WAS TRYING TO FIND MY ANSWER. I HAVE SOME STATS. EITHER ONE OF YOU CAN ANSWER THIS. WHAT IS THE IMPACT OF STUDENTS BY CARMEL BUILDING, SCHOOL STUDENTS OF CARMEL BUILDING ALL OF THESE APARTMENTS? WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON? IF YOU DO

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WANT TO ANSWER THE QUESTION OF THE STATS HERE. >> THERE IS A CONCERN. I MAYBE SAW A FEW ARM ROLES OUT THERE AS WERE GOING THROUGH THESE. THAT'S A LOT OF APARTMENTS.

YOU'LL NOTICE EVERYTHING IS CALLED LUXURY. WHAT WERE SEEING, I WROTE TO MR. MCMICHAEL WHO WAS I WORK FINANCE GUY FOR THE SCHOOLS. WISH I COULD QUOTE IT EXACTLY BUT I CAN'T FIND IT. WE ARE LOSING STUDENTS EVERY YEAR. THE STUDENT POPULATION IS SHRINKING. YOU'RE PROBABLY SEEING THEM. I WANT TO SAY LESTER WAS DOWN BY HUNDRED 74 STUDENTS. WHAT'S HAPPENING IS THESE APARTMENTS ARE BEING FILLED BY NOT ONLY YOUNG PROFESSIONALS AS WE ALL MIGHT GUESS BUT, ALSO BY EMPTY-NESTERS. PEOPLE MY AGE THAT WANT TO GET OUT OF THE 4 BEDROOM 2 AND A HALF BATH ON A CUL-DE-SAC MOVE DOWNTOWN CARMEL OR MOVE SOMEWHERE ELSE WHERE THEY COULD DISAPPEAR AND GO SEE THEIR GRANDKIDS SO OFTEN AND NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT. THERE IS THIS TREND GOING ON THAT I WANTED TO JUST BRING TO LIGHT. MAKE SURE IT'S DOCUMENTED. I SAY MR. WHEELER I THINK YOU'RE THE ONE I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION. YOU DON'T HAVE THE STATS TO YOU? BUT ANYWAY, THERE ARE TRENDS GOING ON THERE OR NOT THE WAY IT WAS WHEN I GREW UP OR WHEN I MOVED TO CARMEL. REMEMBER VISITING SOMEONE IN AN PAPARTMENT IT WAS MY AGE AND I HAVE THIS WEIRD THING, WHY DON'T DELIVER THE HOUSE? IT'S DEFINITELY CHANGING. I KNOW IT'S TAKING SOME OF US SOME TIME TO UNDERSTAND THAT. NOT FOR EVERYBODY. IT IS DIVERSITY OF HOUSING THAT GIVES PEOPLE A CHOICE. I APPLAUD OUR PROFESSIONAL STAFF WHO HELPS US TO CONTINUE TO BRING OTHER

OPTIONS TO THE CITY. SO, I WANTED TO MENTION THAT. >> 176.

>> WHAT WAS A NUMBER LAST YEAR? 208 STUDENTS. THANK YOU MR. WHEELER. THANK YOU.

>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. > MR. PRESIDENT?

MOVE TO APPROVE. >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE. WE HAVE 8 ? THE MARK. MOVING ON. SECOND READING OF ORDINANCE DEED 26 2522. IN ORDER TO BECOME A COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL INDIANA AUTHORIING AN ISSUANCE OF ECONOMIC DOUBLE MEANT TAX INCREMENT REVENUE BONDS TO SUPPORT THE OLD BIRDING APARTMENT PROJECT AND AUTHORIZING AND APPROVING OTHER ACTIONS IN RESPECT THERETO. SPONSOR COUNSELOR MOREL. THIS IS, IN A FINANCE COMMITTEE.

>> MR. PRESIDENT THIS RETURNS 4 ? 0 POSITIVE TO THE FULL COUNCIL.

>> THIS IS YOUR SHOW. >> MR. YOUR PRESIDENT, THANK YOU. BEFORE YOU THE OLD MERIDIAN APARTMENTS. THIS IS A DEPARTMENT BEING PROPOSED BY CROSS DEVELOPMENT. IT'S A 60,000,005 STORY MIXED-USE DEVELOPMENT WITH 260 LUXURY APARTMENTS. WE HAVE 4 SILK CONDOS, INTENT ON THIS PROJECT, 9000 SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE AND COMMERCIAL SPACE. 395 SPACE PUBLIC PARKING GARAGE WHICH AGAIN WILL BE 75 PERCENT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. ONCE AGAIN WE'VE INCORPORATED SOLAR COMPONENT INTO THE PROJECT AND 75/25 TIF SPLIT. DEVELOPER BACKED BONDS LIKE THE OTHER 3 PROJECTS. CURRENT AV PER ACRE ON THE PROJECT IS $1000. I BELIEVE HENRY TALKED ABOUT THAT AND FINANCE COMMITTEE EARLIER THIS WEEK. THAT IS JUST UNBELIEVABLE. IT WAS ACTUALLY $1000 PER ACRE. LOOKING AT $9.6 MILLION PER ACRE FUTURE AV ON THIS PROJECT. WE ALSO HAVE SHOWN IN THE LITTLE INCIDENT ON THE UPPER RIGHT CORNER OF THE PROJECT AREA WHICH IS THE ALLOCATION AREA THAT WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT IN THE NEXT

ACTION ITEM. >> I KNOW YOU'VE DONE THIS MANY TIMES. JUST FOR FUN DESCRIBE THE DEVELOPER BACKED UP ON FOREST FOR PEOPLE WATCHING THAT HAVE NOT HEARD THE EXPLANATION.

>> SURE. DEVELOPER BACKED BONDS ARE SET UP SO THE TAXPAYERS ARE NOT TAKING ON THE RISK OF THE BOND. THE DEVELOPER WILL DETERMINE DOING THEIR OWN FINANCIAL ANALYSIS WITH THE SUPPORT OF THE CRC WHAT SIZE BOND THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ON THE PROJECT. WE WILL COMMIT A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIF DOLLARS, TO SPLIT 75 /25 TIF SPLIT TO THE PROJECT. WE WILL COLLECT THE TAXES ON THE PROJECT. THE COUNTY WILL COLLECT TAXES ON THE PROJECT AND THEY WILL BE DISTRIBUTED TO THE CITY. THE CRC WILL USE 75 PERCENT OF MONEY TO PAY THE BONDHOLDER. IF THERE IS NOT ENOUGH MONEY TO PAY OFF THE BOND THE DEVELOPER IS ON THE HOOK TO PAY OFF THE REST OF THAT WORLD MONEY. IT'S NOT ON THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE

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ANY COMMAS OR QUESTIONS? COUNSELOR AASEN. >> DO WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY

FOR THE DEVELOPER? >> I WOULD GO WITH LESS IS MORE IF THEY WANT TO ANSWER

ANYTHING. >> THANK YOU FOR HAVING US TONIGHT.

>> I WANT TO QUICKLY SAY SOMETHING. MITCH IS 75 PERCENT PUBLIC PARKING. WITHOUT THESE PROJECTS HAVING FREE PUBLIC PARKING. AND A FRIEND FROM CHICAGO VISIT RECENTLY. THEY WERE SHOCKED TO FIND OUT THAT ALL OF THE PARKING GARAGE IS CARMEL WERE FREE. THE NEVER HEARD OF JUST FREE PARKING GARAGES EVERYWHERE. SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT HAPPY

HABIT HERE, FREE PARKING AND ONLINE SPACES HERE IN CARMEL. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR

QUESTIONS? I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. > MOVE TO APPROVE. >> SECOND.

>> HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY COMMENTS? PLEASE VOTE. THAT IS 8 ? 0. NEXT WE HAVE RESOLUTION CC 04182207. A RESOLUTION OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL INDIANA WITH CERTAIN MATTERS IN CONNECTION WITH THE OLD MERIDIAN ECONOMIC DOUBLE MEANT AREA. OLD MERIDIAN APARTMENTS ALLOCATION AREA SPONSOR IS COUNSELOR MOREL. COMING BACK

FROM FINANCE. >> THIS RETURN FROM FINANCE COMMITTEE FOR ? IS A MAC.

POSITIVE RECORDATION. THIS WAS A RESOLUTION TO MAKE THE ALLOCATION AREA FOR THE BONDS.

>> COUNCIL ANY COMMAS OR QUESTIONS? I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

>> MOVED TO PERU. >> SECOND. >> PLEASE VOTEE VOTE, 8 13

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>> MOVED TO INTRODUCE. >> COUNSELOR FINKAM. >> THIS ORDINANCE ESTABLISHES 25 MILES AN HOUR PRIOR LENGTH. RESIDENTIAL'S IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD THAT SIT ON THE HOA CAME TO ME ASKING IF THE STREETS COULD BE DESIGNATED 25 MILES AN HOUR. THEY WERE NOT DESIGNATED SO THEREFORE THEY ARE 30 MILES AN HOUR BECAUSE ARE NOT DESIGNATED. THEY WANT TO PUT SIGNS UP AND HAVE THEM ENFORCED. SO, ENGINEERING HAD TO DO A STUDY LIGATURE 25 MILES AN HOUR WAS APPROPRIATE. LEGAL WROTE UP THIS ORDINANCE AND BRINGING IT TO YOU TONIGHT. I WOULD ASK THAT WE SUSPEND THE RULES AND ACT ON THIS THIS EVENING AFTER DISCUSSION.

>> COUNSELORS, ANY DISCUSSION? QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? COUNSELOR HANAN?

>> A QUICK COMMENT. I FULLY SUPPORT THIS. I'VE TALKED WITH SILVER COUNSELORS WHO WOULD BE VERY HAPPY TO TALK TO THE REST. ONE OF THE THINGS WE NEED TO PROTECT OUR PEDESTRIANS AND CYCLISTS IS LOWER SPEEDS BUT NOT JUST BY POSTED SIGNS BUT BY REENGINEERING AIRING OUR STREETS AS WELL. THE STAMPS I PULLED UP ARE INTERESTING. IF A CARS TRAVELING 20 MILES AN CHANCE OF SERIES INJURY FERTILITY. IF A CAR IS TRAVELING 30 MILES AN HOUR TAKES 200 FEET TO STOP. THE SERIES INJURY GOES TO 40 PERCENT. IF A CARS TRAVELING 40 MILES AN HOUR TAKES 300 FEET TO STOP. IT'S ALSO 73 PERCENT INCIDENCE OF SERIOUS INJURIES OR DEATH. SO SPEED IS WHAT SAFE IS ALL ABOUT. I THINK SIGNS ARE GOOD STARTING POINT.

ABOUT TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH ALL OF OUR COUNCIL. PERHAPS IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE C3 PLAN UPDATE ON SHELBY BE LOOKING AT MORE SYSTEMATIC APPROACH TO PEDESTRIAN AND

CYCLE SAFETY. >> THEY KILL. >> MR. PRESIDENT?

>> LIKE TO MOVE TO SUSPEND THE RULES OF ACT ON THIS THIS EVENING TEXT SECOND.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO SUSPEND THE RULES. ANY DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE.

THAT IS SEVENDUST IN AND WE CAN ACT THIS EVENING. >> MR. PESIDENT LIKE TO MOVE

TO APPROVE. >> SECOND. >> I HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE. WERE GONNA GIVE COUNSELOR RURAL TO GET TO HIS PAD. WE SUSPENDED THE RULES. THIS IS FOR SPEED LIMIT IT'S 8 ? 0. X ON BEHALF OF THE RESIDENTS

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> OUR PLEASURE. EXIT RESOLUTION CC 05162201. A RESOLUTION OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL INDIANA INITIATING THE PROCESS

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VACANT, CAMPBELL AND HANAN. >> MOVED INTRODUCE THE SYNOPSIS AS THIS INITIATES THE PROCESS OF DECLARING COUNSELOR BRUCE CAMPBELL'S SEAT VACANT DUE TO HIS EXTENDED ABSENCE FROM CARMEL. THAT'S HAS PRETTY MUCH ALL I WANT AT COLOR. FIRST OF ALL LIKE THE COMMITTEE RESIDENT SAID I WISH H COUNSELOR KIMBALL THE BEST HEALTH AND HOPE IM AND IS.

>> THAT COUNSELOR AS WELL. COUNSELOR KIMBALL, IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY. IT'S GETTING LONGER.

YOU DON'T NEVER HAVE WE HAD THIS ISSUE WITH A COUNCILMEMBER MISSING FOR SO LONG. I KNOW LESTER WHEN I WAS PRESIDENT COUNSELOR RIDER, CAMPBELL AND MYSELF HAD US LOOK INTO THE STATUTE. IS THERE ANY PRECEDENTS OR CODE TO FALL BACK ON. HER CORPORATION COUNCIL FOUND YES INDEED THE STATE OF INDIANA HAS IN ITS CODE A PROCESS BY WHICH WE COULD PUT OUR OWN RULES IN PLACE TO HANDLE A SITUATION SUCH AS THIS. AS MANY OF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH PASS THIS ORDINANCE IN DECEMBER 2021. HOPING WE WOULD NEVER HAVE TO USE IT. WHAT IS THE PROCESS? THIS ORDINANCE CLEARLY, THE EXCUSE TO THIS RESOLUTION DELINEATES WE HAVE TO HAVE A VOTE TIED TO INITIATE THE PROCESS. IT HAS TO INCLUDE MEMBER NOTIFICATION SO COUNSELOR KIMBALL WILL BE NOTIFIED THAT WE ARE INITIATING THIS PROCESS. AT WHICH WE WOULD HAVE TO GATHER EVIDENCE OF TRUE COMPUTER INFORM DECISION TO VOTE TO PASS IT. ABOUT SIMPLE QUESTIONS LIKE WHY NOW? PERSONALLY FOR ME AS A SPONSOR AND ITS PRESIDENT LESTER I GOT NUMEROUS QUESTIONS ALL YEAR LONG ABOUT WHAT WE DOING ABOUT THE VACANCY? WHY CAN'T REPLACE THE SEAT? AT THE TIME WE DID KNOW THERE WAS A PROCESS WE COULD'VE PUT IN PLACE AND THAT WE DID INITIATE IT. WE HAD NO WAY TO GET IT DONE IF WE WANTED TO. I SAID REPEATEDLY LAST YEAR I WAS A GOOD CONSIDER ANYTHING LIKE THAT UNTIL MR. KIMBALL WOULD BE GONE FOR JUST A YEAR. HE IS ONE TO HARD-FOUGHT ELECTIONS AND HE DESERVED TIME TO HEAL. SINCE THAT TIME HE HAD MADE SOME COMMENTS LAST YEAR HE'D BE COMING BACK SOON. HE WAS INTERESTED IN ENGAGING. SINCE DECEMBER WE HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING FROM HIM AND I REACHED OUT IN FEBRUARY AND MARCH BOTH PERSONAL WORK EMAILS HOW ARE YOU DOING WHAT YOU'RE ABOUT TO RETURN AND DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING BACK FROM THOE. RESIDENTS ARE CONTINUING TO ASK FOR PRESENTATION. I WILL CLARIFY REST OF RESIDENT REPRESENTATION. IT'S BEEN NOTED THAT WE REPRESENT THE CENTRAL DISTRICT. WHILE TOOK ADDITIONAL CALLS. MEL WENT OUT OF HER WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT RESIDENTS IN THE DISTRICT FELT LIKE THEY'VE BEEN HEARD. THEY HAD ANYONE OF US TO GO TO. IT'S NOT ABOUT WHO'S WORKING HARD OR IS LISTENING MORE. THE REALITY IS 17,000 PEOPLE ARE DISADVANTAGED BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ANOTHER VOTE ON THIS COUNCIL. AS ONE OF THE SPEAKERS SUCHLIKE WE WENT FROM 7 TO 9 FOR REASON. BECAUSE WE WANTED MORE PEOPLE TO REPRESENT A GROWING COMMUNITY. CENTRAL DISTRICT IS ONE OF THE BUSIEST AND IS REFERRED TONIGHT RAPIDLY CHANGING. WE HAVE $1 BILLION.

THAT'S $1 BILLION OF ECONOMIC DIPLOMA UNDERWAY OR THAT WAS TIF FUNDING THAT WAS APPROVED TONIGHT. SO GOING TO THE PROCESS. MASTURBATING, DO NOT GO BACK AND COUNT TO SOMEWHERE HUNDRED AND 50 VOTES COUNSELOR KIMBALL HAVE MISSED IN HIS ABSENCE. HUNDRED 50 TIMES HE WOULD'VE REPRESENTED THE CENTRAL DISTRICT. WHEREAS AT LARGE WERE PRESENT VERY WELL THEY CAN'T VOTE ONCE. THEY CAN'T ONCE AT LARGE AND ONCE AS A CENTRAL DISTRICT RECITATIVE.

SO TONIGHT'S VOTE ON A FIGHT WHAT IT DOES. IT INITIATES THE PROCESS. IT DOES NOT VACATE THE SEAT. IT IT INITIATES THE PROCESS FOR US TO GATHER MORE INFORMATION. I CANNOT IMAGINE WHY ANYONE WOULD NOT WANT TO VOTE TOGETHER MORE INFORMATION. A MORE INFORMED MEMBER OF THIS BODY IS ONE THAT CAN BE MORE EDUCATED TO MAKE A BETTER DECISION. THERE'S NO REASON WE SHOULDN'T INITIATE THE PROCESS TO GET MORE INFORMATION BECAUSE IT'S SERVING YOU BETTER. YOU MEETING THE ENTIRE CITY OF CARMEL. WHEREAS I SYMPATHIZE WITH MR. KIMBALL'S SITUATION I NEED TO FULLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE SITUATION IS HERE MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION. THAT'S WHY

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I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US TAKE THE NEXT STEP TO GET MORE INFORMATION AND HAVE AN

INFORMED VOTE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> COUNSELOR CAMPBELL WE.

>> THINK IT MR. PRESIDENT. I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY WHO WROTE TO THE COUNCIL SPOKE OUT THIS EVENING. HEARD FROM A NUMBER OF PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES. I SERVED AS A HAMILTON COUNTY REPUBLICAN PARTY CHAIR FOR 6 YEARS. IN 2016 THROUGH JANUARY OF THIS YEAR. PREVIOUSLY SERVED AS VICE CHAIR AND PRIOR TO THAT I WAS EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE PARTY FOR 9 YEARS. I HAVE COMPLETE FAITH IN THE CAUCUS PROCESS. IT IS BEEN USED BY BOTH PARTIES TO FILL VACANCIES. THE FIRST CAUCUS I RAN AS PARTY CHAIRMAN 2016 WAS A COUNTYWIDE CAUCUS TO REPLACE COUNTY COUNSELOR JIM BELDEN WHO PASSED AWAY WHILE IN OFFICE AND IT WAS HELD 30 DAYS AFTER HIS PASSING. DURING MY TIME AS PARTY CHAIR THE COUNTY WAS INVOLVED IN A NUMBER OF CAUCUSES TO FILL VACANCIES FOR NUMEROUS OFFICES INCLUDING STATE SENATE, CITY COUNCILS INCLUDING COUNSELOR GREENS ELECTION TO FILL CHARLES'S WIFE SEAT, TOWNSHIP BOARDS AND THE CAUCUS THAT VOTED TO PLACE CONGRESSWOMEN SUSAN BROOKS BACK ON THE BALLOT AFTER SHE HAD TO REMOVE HERSELF FROM THE BALLOT IN 2016 WHICH SHE HAD TO DO IN ORDER TO BE CONSIDERED AS A POTENTIAL REPUBLICAN NOMINEE FOR GOVERNOR OF INDIANA. THESE ARE DEFINITELY COMPLICATED SITUATIONS. 2 OF THE MOST IMPORTANT JOBS FOR THE UNPAID PRECINCT COMMITTEEMAN POSITION.

THEY ARE UNPAID. I WANTED TO BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT. IT'S A LOT OF WORK AND UNPAID.

INVOLVES ORGANIZING THE POLLS ON ELECTION DAY AND VOTING IN POTENTIAL CAUCUSES THAT INVOLVE THEIR PRECINCT. WHILE A MAJORITY OF THE PRECINCT COMMITTEE MEN WERE ELECTEDIN 2020 SOME HAVE SINCE RESIGNED FOR VARIOUS REASONS INCLUDING HAVING OUT OF THE COUNTY OR NOT HAVING ENOUGH TIME TO DEVOTE TO THE JOB. NOT EVERY PRECINCT HAS ELECTED PRECINCT COMMITTEEMAN. IT'S IMPORTANT TO FIND PEOPLE WHO ARE WILLING TO DO THE JOBS. I WOULD LIKE TO CLEAR UP SOME MISINFORMATION THAT WAS GIVEN DURING THE BLUE CARD SESSION. SEVERAL OF THE PRECINCTS IN THE CENTRAL DISTRICT ARE COMBINED BY THE COUNTY ELECTIONS OFFICE. THERE ARE NOW 90 PRECINCTS, NOT 11. THEY ARE ALL REPRESENTED BY PRECINCT COMMITTEEMAN WHICH I CONFIRMED WITH MARK CURRENT PARTY CHAIR. I KNOW ALL THE PRECINCT COMMITTEEMAN IN THIS DISTRICT AND WHILE SOME OF THEM HAVE BEEN APPOINTED THEY ALL DO AN OUTSTANDING JOB IN THEIR SERVICE TO THEIR PRECINCTS JUST AS I DID DURING THIS MONTH'S PRIMARY ELECTION. I TAKE ISSUE WITH THOSE WHO NEGATIVELY VIEW THE CAUCUS PROCESS. THE PRECINCT COMMITTEEMAN THAT SERVE ARE THE MOST INVOLVED PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY. AND IN OUR LOCAL AND POLITICAL PROCESSES. FROM PUTTING TOGETHER THE BOLD POLL WORKERS ON ELECTION DAY AND SERVING AS POLL WORKERS TO REGISTERING PEOPLE TO VOTE IN GETTING OUT THE VOTE IN THE PRIMARY AND GENERAL ELECTIONS. SEVERAL MEMBERS OF OUR CITY COUNSEL SERVED AS PRECINCT COMMITTEEMAN AS WELL AS DISTRICTS ACROSS THE COUNTY LIKE COUNTY COUNCILMAN SUE MACKIE. IF YOU HAVE DOUBTS OF THE ROLE FOR YOU TO SIGN UP TO WORK AT THE POLLS ON ELECTION DAYS. IT'S A LONG DAY. IT WOULD GET TO KNOW OUR POLITICAL PROCESS MUCH BETTER. DURING MY TENURE AS CHAIR I'VE SPOKEN WITH PRECINCT COMMITTEEMAN AFTER EACH CAUCUS TO FIND OUT WHY THEY VOTED THE WAY THEY DID. I KNOW THEY ARE VERY EDUCATED ABOUT THE ISSUES IN THEIR COMMUNITY, OR SO THEN THE GENERAL PUBLIC. AND HAVE SOLVED DETAILED REASONS FOR THEIR VOTES. THERE ARE MUNICIPAL ELECTION NEXT MATE IN THE PRIMARY AND A GENERAL ELECTION IN NOVEMBER OF THAT YEAR. THE CENTRAL DISTRICT VOTERS DECIDE TO DO SO THEY CAN VOTE SOMEONE ELSE INTO OFFICE.

HOWEVER, WHOEVER WINS THE ELECTION NEXT YEAR WILL NOT TAKE OFFICE UNTIL JANUARY 1, 2024. BY STATE STATUTE IF ACIDIC COUNSELOR PASSES AWAY THE COUNTY CHAIR HAVE NO MORE THAN 30 DAYS TO CALL THE CAUCUS TO REPLACE THAT COUNSELOR. THE LEGISLATURE RECOGNIZES THAT ELECTED OFFICES SHOULD NOT BE VACANT FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME. AND GIVES FLEXIBILITY TO THE COUNCILS TO DETERMINE WHAT THAT PERIOD OF TIME SHOULD BE IF A COUNSELOR IS INCAPACITATED. I KNOW FOR SOME TIME THAT HE DON'T BELIEVE IT'S MENTALLY AND PHYSICALLY ABLE TO

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AS A CITY COUNCIL WE ALL NEED TO HAVE A MEETING IN HERE ALL OF THE INFORMATION AT THE SAME TIME THAT WOULD BE PRESENTED BY BRUCE OR HIS REPRESENTATIVES. AND THEN MAKE A DETERMINATION AS TO WHETHER BRUCE'S SEAT SHOULD BE VACATED OR NOT. WE DO THIS WITH JUST ABOUT EVERY ISSUE THAT COMES BEFORE US. GATHER INFORMATION TO MAKE THE BEST DECISION AS POSSIBLE. TO THOSE WHO CLAIM THE CAUCUS PROCESS IS SECRETIVE AND THEY DON'T LIKE THE PROCESS. YOU SHOULD KNOW IT'S NOT FOR THE COUNCIL TO DETERMINE WHETHER BE LIKE THE PROCESS OR NOT. WE DON'T HAVE TO LIKE THE PROCESS ANYMORE SOMEONE MAY NOT LIKE AN ORDINANCE THAT WE PASSED. NOW HOW TO FOLLOW INDIANA LAWS. FOR EXAMPLE, SOMEONE MAY NOT LIKE A CERTAIN SPEED LIMIT.

THEY HAVE TO ADHERE TO IT OR RISK RECEIVING A TICKET. NO OFFICER WILL ACCEPT AN EXCUSE OF WELL OFFICER, YOU WERE, HIDDEN SO I DIDN'T SEE YOU AND I DON'T LIKE THE POSTED SPEED LIMIT IS A GOOD REASON FOR SPEEDING. WHILE THE OUT LARGE COUNSELORS HAVE BEEN VERY HELPFUL IN COMMUNICATING WITH THE CENTRAL DISTRICT CONSTITUENTS AS COUNSELOR FINKAM SAID, EACH CITY COUNSELOR CAN COST ONLY ONE FULL. THE VOTE HAS BEEN 18 MONTHS. PERSONALLY FELT WE HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD TO HOLD A HEARING TO REVIEW THE FACTS OF THE MATTER MAKE A DETERMINATION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THE CENTRAL DISTRICT SHOULD CONTINUE TO GO WITHOUT A VOTE TO ACTIVE REPRESENTATION FOR ANOTHER 18 MONTHS. THANK YOU.

>> COUNSELOR HANAN? >> THANK YOU MR. PRESIDENT. FIRST, MY CONDOLENCES TO BRUCE KIMBALL AND HIS FAMILY. I REALLY APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT MANY OF THE CITIZENS WHO ARE HERE SPEAKING PASSIONATELY ABOUT WANTING DIRECT REPRESENTATIVE WORKING FOR THEM STARTED WITH OUR CONDOLENCES WITH BRUCE AND I CERTAINLY MET ME IN MY FAMILY PAST OUR CONDOLENCES ON TO BRUCE AND HIS FAMILY. I WILL SAY AS AN PAT-LARGE PERSON WHO WORKS IN THE CENTRAL DISTRICT FROM CLOSE TO THIS. IN ONE MISCONCEPTION I WANTED TO CLEAR UP UPFRONT IS IT'S NOT A MATTER OF COVERAGE. SO I'VE HEARD SEVERAL PEOPLE SAY, WELL WE'VE GOT PLENTY OF COUNSELORS TO COVER THIS. THAT'S TRUE. IT IS NOT DIRECT ACCOUNTABLE REPRESENTATION. I AM NOT THERE DIRECTLY REPRESENTED COUNSELOR WHO WAS ON SPEED DIAL FOR THEM. WHO IS ACCOUNTABLE TO THEM EVERY SINGLE ELECTION PROCESS. WHO IS THEIR ADVOCATE. THE NEIGHBOR AND ADVOCATE AS WELL. I DO NOT REPLACE A DISTRICT REPRESENTATIVE. I SIMPLY AUGMENT THEM. AS AN EXAMPLE DURING THE AT&T DISCUSSION THE RIGHT WAY TO DO THIS USING MILITARY PARLANCE AS THE DISTRICT REPRESENTATIVE IS THE FIRST RESPONDER. HE IS THE MARINE ON THE GROUND. HE OR SHE IS A MARINE ON THE GROUND AND THEN WE COME IN AS AIR COVER UP THE AT-LARGE. THE RIGHT RESPONSES DISTRICT REPRESENTATIVE. MY COMMENTS DEAL WITH UNCERTAINTIES IN THIS PROCESS. BUT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT CERTAINTIES. THE REASON IT'S IMPORTANT TO TALK ABOUT UNCERTAINTIES IS WHAT I DO PROFESSIONALLY AS I WORK, CHANGE MANAGEMENT. I TRY TO HELP ORGANIZATIONS MOVE FORWARD FROM THE CURRENT STATUS TO A FUTURE STATUS THAT IS BETTER. I KNOW ANY UNCERTAINTY FAVORS THE STATUS QUO. IT'S IMPORTANT TO NAME WITH THOSE INSURGENCIES ARE. FIRST OF ALL OF US APPRISED BECAUSE HE DIDN'T HAVE THIS IN MY ORIGINAL BINGO CARD. IS THE CAUCUS PROCESS ITSELF. I REALLY DIDN'T REALIZE THAT PEOPLE MIGHT QUESTION THAT AND I REALLY APPRECIATE BOTH COUNSELOR FINKAM PAST HAMILTON COUNTY REPUBLICAN CHAIR, LAURA CAMPBELL TRYING TO SET THAT STRAIGHT. IT'S NOT SMOKE AND MIRRORS. IT'S NOT SOME SORT OF SNAKE OIL. IT'S CODIFIED WITHIN STATE LAW. AGAIN I WILL TALK ABOUT THAT MORE. THAT'S ONE UNCERTAINTY AND THAT COULD BE A REASON FOR ANY OF US OR A SUBSTANCE TO SAY WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD? THE SECOND UNCERTAINTY AND I WILL NAME THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM AND IT'S WHAT'S THE RESULT OF THAT CAUCUS. THAT REALLY IS THE ISSUE. THE SONIC CAUCUS PER SOUTHEAST AS WHAT EVER GOING TO GET THROUGH THAT CAUCUS PROCESS. THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT WANT SOMEONE EXACTLY LIKE BRUCE IN TERMS OF HIS ALIGNMENT.

THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT DON'T WANT SOMEONE EXACTLY LIKE BRUCE. I COULD TELL YOU MULTIPLE BEEN BROKEN NO MATTER WHAT WE DO. THERE WILL NEVER BE A BRUCE KIMBALL. THOSE OF THE UNCERTAINTIES. LET'S TALK ABOUT THE CERTAIN TEAS THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO FOCUS ON. I

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THE NEXT THING I WOULD SAY WITH CERTAINTY. IF WE DO NOT PASS THIS RESOLUTION TONIGHT THE ACTION STOPS HERE. THAT'S ALL GOING TO JAIL. ACTION STOPS HERE UNLESS AGAIN COUNSELOR CAMPBELL DECIDES TO RESIGN OR FOR SOME OTHER CHANGE. IF WE DO NOT ACT TONIGHT, IF WE DO NOT ACT TONIGHT BUT I CAN SAY IS THIS, FOR 3 YEARS OF A 4-YEAR TERM 17,500 PEOPLE IN THE CENTRAL DISTRICT WILL NOT HAVE DIRECT ACCOUNTABLE REPRESENTATION FOR 3 OR 4 YEARS WE WILL NOT HAVE FOR THE 17,500 PEOPLE DIRECT ACCOUNTABLE REPRESENTATION. AGAIN THAT'S IMPORTANT AS LAURA ALSO POINTED OUT ALTHOUGH THE PRIMARIES ARE NEXT TO ME AND THAT THE GENERAL ELECTION IS IN NOVEMBER, IT'LL BE JANUARY 2024 BEFORE THAT POSITION IS UP HERE ON THE DAIS AND VOTING. MORE IMPORTANTLY IS ON THE STREET TALKING TO NEIGHBORS AND BEING THERE DIRECT ACCOUNTABLE ADVOCATE. FINALLY, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR ALL OF THE DISTRICT COUNCILMEMBERS. AGAIN THIS COULD BE RHETORICAL BUT COUNSELOR FINKAM, COUNSELOR NELSON, COUNSELOR AASEN, COUNSELOR CAMPBELL, COUNSELOR GREEN WILL COME BACK HERE TO COUNSELOR OR THAT USED TO BE COUNSELOR IN THE SOUTHWEST. WHAT WOULD BE THE IMPACT IN YOUR DISTRICTS PERSONALLY IF YOU WERE NOT AVAILABLE FOR 3 OR 4 YEARS OF YOUR TERM? WHAT WOULD BE THE IMPACT IN YOUR DISTRICT FOR 3 OF THE 4 YEARS OF YOU NOT PERSONALLY BEING THERE EVERY SINGLE DAY AS AN ADVOCATE, DIRECTLY ACCOUNTABLE TO YOUR CONSTITUENTS. I WANT YOU TO THINK ABOUT THAT AS YOU OTE FOR THIS MOVE F THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> JUST FOR THE RECORD I NEVER HEARD YOU WERE GOING TO RESIGN.

>> I'M SORRY KIMBALL >> I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS NEW NEWS TONIGHT. COUNSELOR

NELSON? >>. >> I DON'T PICK ON COUNSELOR

CAMPBELL. >> PERCIVAL IN ONE THINK EVERYONE REACHED OUT TO ME AND

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THE CARE HE IS RECEIVING NOW ISN'T COMPLETELY PROVIDED BY MEDICARE AND THE EXPENSES WILL NOT BE COMPLETELY COVERED BY MEDICAID. BRUCE CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY OUT-OF-POCKET OR HAVE A BREAK IN HIS CARE. WITH ALL THAT SAID I UNDERSTAND THE RESOLUTION WE PREVIOUSLY PASSED DISCUSSED HOW TO REMOVE A COUNSELOR FROM OFFICE WHO ISN'T PERFORMING THEIR JOB. WHAT ABOUT SOMEONE WHO HAS HAD SEISMIC HEALTH ISSUE OR CATASTROPHIC ACCIDENT? DO WE REMOVE THEM FROM OFFICE WITHOUT PROVIDING ANY SORT OF SUPPORT FOR SAFETYNET? PERHAPS THE POLICY NEEDS TO BE CREATED TO PROVIDE DISABILITY COVERAGE DURING ONE'S TERM. SHOULD SOMETHING LIKE THIS EVER OCCUR AGAIN. IT SEEMS UNCONSCIONABLE TO CUT OFF A PERSON'S MUCH-NEEDED CARE FACILITATED BY HIS PRIVATE INSURANCE COVERAGE. THIS SEEMS TO HARSH PUNISHMENT TO SOMEONE THAT DID NOT SHIRK HIS RESPONSIBILITIES BUT FAIL TO ILL TO CONTINUE THEM.

SIGNIFICANT AND NOTABLE DIFFERENCE IN MY OPINION. BRUCE'S STROKE DEVASTATED HIM.

AND BRUCE REQUIRES CONSTANT CARE. IS CURRENTLY RECEIVING THAT LEVEL OF CARE. THIS CARE IS CRITICAL TO BRUCE'S RECOVERY. I CAN'T VOTE IN FAVOR OF REMOVING BRUCE FROM OFFICE. IN OFFICE HE WAS SO DEDICATED TO WITHOUT KNOWING WE'VE MADE PROVISIONS THAT ENSURE THE CRITICAL CARE HE IS RECEIVING CONTINUES WITHOUT A FAULT. THIS IS WHAT CARMEL

DOES. WE TAKE CARE OF OUR OWN. THANK YOU. >> COUNSELOR WHERE ELSE? > THANK YOU MR. PRESIDENT. I TOO WANT TO MAKE A COUPLE COMMENTS AND SHARE THE CONCERNS THAT A BEEN BROUGHT UP REGARDING COUNSELOR KIMBALL UNFORTUNATE SITUATION. I WILL SHARE WITH YOU THAT I HAVE SERIOUS CONCERNS ABOUT THIS COUNCIL OVERWRITING THE WILL OF THE VOTERS WHEN WE ARE THIS CLOSE TO THE NEXT ELECTION. BECAUSE CAMPAIGNING WILL START THIS FALL I AM UNWILLING TO TAKE AWAY THE RIGHT FOR EVERYONE OF THE CENTRAL DISTRICT TO CHOOSE THEIR REPRESENTATIVE AND INSTEAD GIVE IT TO JUST A HANDFUL OF PRECINCT COMMITTEE PEOPLE TO DECIDE BEHIND CLOSED DOORS. NOW, I HAVE GREAT RESPECT FOR THE PC POSITION. I AM PRECINCT COMMITTEEMAN. I APPRECIATE COUNSELOR CAMPBELL'S DESCRIPTION. I FULLY SUPPORT THE CAUCUS PROCESS WHEN THE CIRCUMSTANCES IN MY OPINION ARE APPROPRIATE. IN THIS CASE WE ARE TO CLOSE. I WANT TO HEAR FROM EVERYONE AND I WANT THE PEOPLE AT THE CENTRAL DISTRICT TO DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES. THEREFORE, I VOTING NO ON THIS RESOLUTION. I WANT TO ASSURE EVERYONE I WILL CONTINUE TO PROACTIVELY COMMUNICATE WITH THE RESIDENTS OF THE CENTRAL DISTRICT ABOUT THE ISSUES FACING OUR CITY. WILL CONTINUE TO RESPOND TO EACH REQUIRE INQUIRY I RECEIVED FROM RESIDENTIAL JUST AS I HAVE SINCE BEEN ELECTED TO AT-LARGE

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SEAT. THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? COUNSELOR GREENE?

>> THANK YOU MR. PRESIDENT. LIKE ANYONE BRUCE WAS WHEN I CAME ONTO THE COUNCIL INCREDIBLY KIND. HE OPEN UP THE DOORS. HE TOLD ME A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON. EVEN THOUGH I'M FROM THE SAME PARTY UNLIKE COUNSELOR NELSON CAME IN THE SPECIAL CAUCUS PROCESS. ZOSTER RUN IN THE SPECIAL ELECTION REACHED OUT TO PEOPLE TO FIND OUT MORE ABOUT THE FIX IS IN.

OUR EARLY AND PICKED TAKE SHOW PRICE PLACE. THAT'S NOT THE CASE. THERE'S A PROCESS.

TRUST THE PROCESS. THE METEOROLOGIST DOESN'T HAVE BIG WAS ON THE CITY COUNCIL. I DECIDED TO RUN A GREAT RESPECT FOR THE MAYOR. THE METEOROLOGIST DID NOT HANDPICK THE NEXT COUNSELOR TO TAKE CAROL SHY'S PLACE. ONE THAT THE METEOROLOGIST HANDPICK SOMEBODY. HER TONIGHT NOT JUST WITH THE SPECIFIC ISSUE BUT WITH OTHER ISSUES. TRUST THE PROCESS. GUESS THAT'S A PROCESS WE PUT IN PLACE. ELECTED OFFICIALS, THE STATE LEGISLATURE CARE CREDIT ALONG SAID THE BEST PEOPLE WHO WILL GO INTO THE CITY COUNCIL IN THESE TYPES OF CIRCUMSTANCES SHOULD BE DETERMINED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. THE CITY COUNCIL VOTED TO PUT IN A PROCESS, NOT THAT LONG AGO ON HOW TO HANDLE THESE SITUATIONS. THE OTHER THING REPRESENTATION. NOT TO GET INTO CONSTITUTIONAL OR WHAT PEOPLE HAVE ABOUT DEMOCRACY.

IT'S IMPORTANT FOR DEMOCRACY AND PEOPLE TO ELECT OFFICIALS. WHEN SOMEONE GETS ELECTED IT'S NOT AN ENTITLEMENT. THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS. AS A KIND OF CONTRACT THERE. AN AGREEMENT. SOMEONE GETS ELECTED THEY WILL REPRESENT PEOPLE. I KNOW VERSUS CIRCUMSTANCES ARE HORRIBLE. BRUCE HAS NOT PRESENTED ANYBODY FOR 18 MONTHS AND MORE THAN LIKELY FROM WHAT EVERYONE HAS HEARD AND TOLD AND COUNSELOR NELSON TALKING ABOUT HIS MEDICAL HEALTH. HE STUCK TO BE COMING BACK IN THE NEXT 12 TO 18 MONTHS. THAT'S 3 YEARS OF NO REPRESENTATION. THE FOUNDING FATHERS AND DEMOCRACY, IT'S NOT ABOUT ENTITLEMENT.

YOU COULD ELECTED AND HEY I'M ENTITLED LIKE A CHILD BUT I WANT TO SHOW UP AND GET PAID FOR NOT REPRESENTING PEOPLE. IT'S A COMMITMENT OBLIGATION YOU HAVE NEAR ELECTED TO REPRESENT PEOPLE. AGAIN I FEEL HORRIBLE THAT BRUCE CAN'T REPRESENT THE PEOPLE. THERE'S NO EXCUSE TO SAY YEAH, LET IT SIT AND LET THEM SIT AT HOME AND RECEIVE THE CARE WITHOUT ANY REPRESENTATION. THAT'S A BREACH OF CONTRACT. A CONTRACT THAT GOES BACK TO DEMOCRATIC VALUES. SO FOR THOSE REASONS I AM GOING TO VOTE FOR THIS RESOLUTION.

>> COUNSELOR CAMPBELL? >> THINK IT MR. PRESIDENT. AGAIN I WANT TO CLEAR UP SOME MISS INFORMATION. 8 OF THE 9 PRECINCT COMMITTEEMAN TO LIVE IN THE DISTRICT. THANK YOU.

>> COUNSELOR FINKAM? >> ALSO WANT TO COME BACK AROUND AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR CARING COUNSELOR NELSON ABOUT BRUCE. IF MR. CAMPBELL WERE IN A CITY DEPARTMENT AND ON CITY COUNCIL OF THE 6-MONTH MARK HE WOULD'VE BEEN ASKED TO FILE FOR DISABILITY. EVERYONE HAS THE OPTION TO BUY SHORT-TERM AND LONG TERM DISABILITY. MR. CAMPBELL DOESN'T HAVE LONG-TERM DISABILITY OUTSIDE THE MEDICARE IT'S BECAUSE HE DECIDED NOT TO PURCHASE IT. HE'S A CITY EMPLOYEE HE WOULD'VE NOT BEEN THIS JOB IF HE DOES NOT RECEIVE BENEFIT. ONE HAVE A SPECIAL CLASS OF PEOPLE THAT RECEIVE DIFFERENT BENEFITS. REALITY IS THE LAW ALLOWS FOR IF WE DON'T VOTE ON THIS ISSUE. WE WILL BE CREATING A SECOND CLASS OF CITIZENS HERE OF EMPLOYEE. THE MIXTURE IF HE WAS A CITY EMPLOYEE HE WOULD BE GETTING MUCH DIFFERENT TREATMENT. HE

WOULD GET INSURANCE AND TREATMENT. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR

QUESTIONS? I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> MOVE TO APPROVE.

>> SECOND. >> ANY DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE. IT'S 4 ? 4. IT FEELS.

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>> MOVED TO INTRODUCE. >> SECOND. >> WAS TAKING THIS?

>> I CAN READ THE SYNOPSIS. IT'S VERY MUCH IS IN THE TITLE. SOMR. HOW ABOUT MR. OBERLANDER I AGREE TO SPONSOR TO GET ON THE AGENDA. BY NO MEANS AM I AN EXPERT OR MICHAEL. WOULD

LIKE TO THIS? >> PERFECT HANDLING. >> TONIGHT'S ORDINANCE BUT THAT'S UP FOR FIRST READING BASICALLY WHAT WITHDRAWAL THE CITY OF CARMEL FROM THE CURRENT RDA THAT IT'S IN THE CITY OF INDIANAPOLIS AND WITH THE CITY OF WESTFIELD. AND THEN ADMIT US INTO A NEW REGIONAL DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY THAT INVOLVES THE SAME PLAYERS PLUS NOBLESVILLE, FISHERS AND A VARIETY OF OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT FORM THE WHITE RIVER REGIONAL OPPORTUNITY INITIATIVE TO GO AFTER THE READY GRANT FOR THE PROJECTS ALONG THE WHITE RIVER REGION THROUGH THE INDIANA ECONOMIC TOLD THE COMMISSION. IT WAS ULTIMATELY DECIDED. I WASN'T A PARTY TO THOSE CONVERSATIONS BUT, THE RDA, NEW RDA WAS DETERMINED TO BE THE MOST EFFECTIVE MEANS BY WHICH TO BE THE RECIPIENT OF THAT MY EDC FUNDS. I.E. TEC WILL PROVIDE THE FUNDING TO ONE ENTITY PER REGION. THERE NEEDED TO BE IN RDA OR SOMETHING I THINK THE MP WOULD QUALIFY AS A RECIPIENT OF THAT. IT WAS VERY SPECIFIC AS TO THE FUNDS THAT THE READY GRANT DOLLARS CAN GO TO. AND, THE REGIONAL ELECTED OFFICIALS ULTIMATELY DETERMINE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION SAY THAT THIS WAS THE PREFERRED ROUTE.

OBVIOUSLY I WAS NOT PART OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS. IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT FOR US TO RECEIVE ANY OF THE READY GRANT FUNDS THAT ARE REGION RECEIVED WHICH WAS $20 MILLION IN TOTAL FOR THE REGION. THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO AS A CITY PARTICIPATE IN THE CURRENT RDA. THAT PUTS US IN LINE FOR UP TO $4 MILLION TOWARDS THE WHITE RIVER PROJECTS AND WHITE RIVER GREENWAY RELATED PROJECTS. THAT'S WHY IT'S BEFORE THE COUNCIL TONIGHT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. OBVIOUSLY PANTICIPATE THAT YOU WILL DO ADDITIONAL DUE DILIGENCE ON THIS. THAT IS SORT OF THE BACKGROUND FOR THIS PARTICULAR ORDINANCE.

>> TOOK! THIS MARK GO AHEAD AND TALK ABOUT THE RESOLUTION AFTERWARDS KIND OF IN

CONJUNCTION WITH THIS. THERE KINDA CONNECTED. >> SURE. I GUESS, YOU HAVE

SPECIFIC QUESTIONS? >> ONE IS BECAUSE OF THE OTHER IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO MAKE A

POINT OF. >> THAT IS CORRECT. >> NOT ASKING YOU TO EXPLAIN

IT. ONE IS TAKING THE PLACE OF THE OTHER. >> YES. ONE IS TAKING THE PLACE OF THE OTHER. WE CAN'T UNDERSTATE STATUES PARTICIPATE MORE THAN ONE RDA. ALSO, BASED ON MY CURSORY REVIEW WHICH I'M CERTAINLY NOT AN ATTORNEY AND CONVERSATIONS WITH MR. OBERLANDER. THE NEW RDA WOULD NOT HAVE ANY MORE AUTHORITY THAN THE CURRENT RDA DOES. THE RDA WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO WITHOUT THE CONSENT OF THIS BODY TAKE ANY OF THE CITY OF CARMEL'S FUNDS FOR USE WITH RDA. THE INSTRUMENT FOR THAT TO HAPPEN WOULD BE AN INTERLOCAL COOPERATION AGREEMENT FOR THE CITY COUNCIL WOULD HAVE TO APPROVE. IT DOESN'T BIND THE CITY OR DOLLARS THAT APPROPRIATELY GO TO THE CITY TO THE RDA UNLESS THE CITY COUNCIL AND LATER DATE CHOOSES TO DO SO. BUT, WITH THAT I BE HAPPY TO ADDRESS QUESTIONS WITH

CORPORATION COUNCIL. >> COUNSELOR FINKAM? >> FIRST LIKE TO SEE HOPE THIS GOES TO COMMITTEE. I'VE SOME QUESTIONS I WANT TO DIG INTO A LITTLE BIT UNLESS YOU TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT. WHEN I LOOK AT THE DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY'S POWER AND YOU LOOK AT EVERY SINGLE ONE, ALMOST ALL OF THEM START WITH FINANCE. VENT AND PROJECTS. THAT ORIGINAL IMPORTANCE. FINANCING CONSTRUCTS CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS OWNED BY THE DOLVIN AUTHORITY.

CONSTRUCT RECONSTRUCT HIGH WHITE ROADS AND BRIDGES. PROVIDE FUNDING FOR INTERMODAL

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>> COULD THIS BE A TAXING ENTITY COULD. >> THIS BY UNDERSTANDING THE

RDA HAS NO TAXING AUTHORITY. >> CAN YOU CONFIRM THAT? [INAUDIBLE]

>> THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION THE STATE LEGISLATURE I KNOW THIS IS REGARDING THIS PARTICULAR REGIONAL FILM AUTHORITY. THEY COULD POTENTIALLY, THERE WAS SOME WAYS THEY COULD CIRCUMVENT LOCAL AUTHORITY REGARDS TO FUNDING. THAT TOTALLY GET

WIPED OUT THE LAST SESSION? >> COUNSIL FINKAM. JOHN OBERLANDER. I CAN CHECK INTO

THAT. >> COUNSELOR AASEN HAS SOME CONNECTION. X THAT WAS CHANGED. WITH THE BASICALLY MADE AS THEY HAVE THE STATE WOULD SET UP, THIS IS DIFFERENT FROM THAT. I WOULD NEVER SUPERSEDE ANY OTHER REGIONAL DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY, ANY OTHER TIFT DISTRICT ANY OTHER SPORTS DISTRICT. THOSE ALWAYS TAKE PRECEDENCE. IF THEY WERE TO CREATE A STATE BASICALLY TIFT DISTRICT THEY COULDN'T PUT IT WHERE WE HAVE AN EXISTING TIFT DISTRICT AND WHEN THEY CREATE NEGATIVE CERTAIN NUMBER, IT'S A MAJORITY NUMBER OF LOCAL

REPRESENTATIVES APPOINTED SO NONE OF THIS WOULD APPLY. >> NEXT QUESTION, THANK YOU COUNSELOR 1015. MY NEXT QUESTION IS REGARDING VOTING AND OINTMENT SPIRIT WHO

APPOINTS AND WHO VOTES FOR THE PUBLIC CLARIFICATION ON THIS. >> SO THE EXECUTIVES OF EACH MUNICIPALITY OR COUNTY ARE MEMBERS AND WILL BE VOTING MEMBERS OF THE BODY. OR THEY

CAN APPOINT DESIGNEE AS WELL. >> ONE REPRESENTATIVE, ONE VOTE OF THE MEMBERS AND AT OTHER

MEMBERS LATER SO OTHER COUNTIES OR MUNICIPALITIES? >> YES. THOSE MY QUESTIONS

RIGHT NOW. >> COUNSELOR FINKAM I ASKED EVERYONE OF THOSE QUESTIONS

EARLIER. TOTALLY GET IT. GET WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM. >> I JUST WANT TO DO IT IN

PUBLIC. >> COUNSELORWORRELL BUT. >> WE TALKED ABOUT THIS

EARLIER. JULY THIS, WHERE IN IN RDA RIGHT NOW? >> YES.

>> AND THE WAY YOU EXPLAINED IT TO ME WAS MORE MOVING FROM ONE RDA TO ANOTHER. HELP ME IF I

SIMPLIFY THIS TO MUCH. BECAUSE THIS NEW RDA HAS THE MONEY. >> THIS IS THE RDA THAT THE STATE WILL BE GRANTING THE READY GRANT 2. FOR THE REGION. THAT IS CORRECT.

>> OKAY. I WAS PREPARED TO SUSPEND THE RULES OF VOTE ON THIS TONIGHT BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO ME EFFORT ALREADY IN AN RDA AND ASK MR. OBERLANDER TO CLARIFY. WHAT ARE THE PITFALLS. IS THERE SOMETHING WE SHOULD BE CAUTIOUS OF OR SOMETHING LURKING IN THE DOCUMENT OR SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE DISCUSSED AND FINANCED OTHER THAN WHAT I HEARD FROM MR. CLUTE SAYING WAS THIS IS WHERE WE HAVE TO GO TO GET THE MONEY.

>> LEGALLY SPEAKING THERE'S NOT A LOT OF DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE RDA FOR THE CITY IS CURRENTLY IN IF ANYTHING THIS MORNING HAS A COUPLE LESS POWERS. RDA UNDER 31 6.76 WERE IN NOW. THEY HAVE SOME EMINENT DOMAIN AUTHORITY WITH THE APPROVAL WITH THE MUNICIPALITY THEY WILL BE CONDEMNING IN. THAT POWER IS IN THE CURRENT NEW RDA. YOU KNOW, HAVE ALSO HEARD THE MINISTRY OF COSTUMS OF GRANT ADMINISTRATION EVERYTHING THAT WILL BE LOWER IN THE NEW RDA. MORE THE MONEY WILL GO TO THE COMMUNITIES RATHER THAN ADMINISTRATION COST. LEGALLY, I DON'T SEE ANY DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THIS AND THE ONE WE ARE CURRENTLY IN.

>> THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? COUNSELOR FINKAM, MICAH SAID EARLIER I WAS ASKING THE SAME QUESTIONS BECAUSE I THINK WE BOTH HAD HEARD PREVIOUSLY ABOUT SOME REGIONAL AUTHORITY SOME OF THE MAYOR'S TALK ABOUT THAT COULD SHIFT SOME OF OUR COUNTY TO MARION COUNTY. THIS IS NOT THAT,

CORRECT? >> I SEE NO MEANS BY WHICH THAT IS BEING ALLOWED UNDER THIS

RDA. >> MR. OBERLANDER'S IS SOMETHING WE CAN WITHDRAW FROM

AT ANY TIME ALL BY OURSELVES? >> YES. >> COUNSELOR FINKAM, I RESPECT

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>> THERE'S NO WAY LEVY FUNDS AND CAN NOBLY ENTER AN AGREEMENT THAT WOULD TAKE ANY

MONIES OUT OF OUR BUDGET, CORRECT? >> NOT WITHOUT YOUR CONSENT.

>> WITHOUT THE CITY COUNCILS CONSENT, CORRECT? >> CORRECT SOMETHING THE STATUTE I'VE SEEN AND JOHN CAN VALIDATE THIS FOR ME THAT HAS ANY TAXING AUTHORITY OF THE RDA. THIS SIMPLE DON'T HAVE IT. THE ONLY WAY WE CAN GET FUNDS FROM THE CITY OF CARMEL IS WITH THE CONSENT OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL.

>> WITH DIRECT APPROPRIATION? >> THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, YES.

>> AND JOHN? DO AGREE WITH THAT? >> I JUST WANTED ON THE RECORD

THAT A CLEAR. >> I DO AGREE. >> THANK YOU, UNCOMFORTABLE

WITH VOTING ON IT THIS EVENING. >> A QUESTION IT JUST LIKE YOU DID. I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION

TO ASSIST AND THE RULES. >> I MOVED TO SUSPEND THE RULES AND VOTE ON THIS TONIGHT.

>> SECOND. >> ANY DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE. WE CAN ACT ON THIS THIS

EVENING. >> MOVED TO APPROVE. >> SECOND.

>> I HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE. THAT'S 8 ? 0. MOVING ON.

RESOLUTION CC 05162202 RESOLUTION OF THE COMMON COUNSEL OF CITY OF CARMEL INDIANA ADOPTING A PRELIMINARY STRATEGIC ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THAT CENTRAL INDIANA REGIONAL DEVELOP MEANT AUTHORITY PURSUANT TO INDIANA CODE 36 ? 7 7 ? ONE ? ONE.

SPONSORS ARE COUNSELOR FINKAM, NELSON AND WORRELL. > MOVED TO INTRODUCE.

>> SECOND. >> THIS RESOLUTION ADOPTS A PRELIMINARY STRATEGIC ECONOMIC TREATMENT PLAN FOR THE CENTRAL INDIANA REGIONAL DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY. WE'VE ALREADY

DISCUSSED THIS. I MOVED TO APPROVE. >> SECOND.

>> THANK YOU. ANY DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE. 8 ? 0. 15, AGENDA ADD-ON ITEMS. WE HAVE NONE.

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