Sep 23, 2022 Budget Workshop 9-23-22

[Budget Workshop on September 23, 2022.]

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>> I AM CALLING TO MEETING DAY TWO OF COUNCIL'S WORKSHOP BUDGET FOR THE BUDGET MEETINGS FOR THE 2023 BUDGET.

WE HAVE A QUORUM. AND WE ARE GOING TO START OFF WITH MICHAEL CLITSING WHO IS ON LOCATION.

THE MAYOR IS ON HIS WAY AND PRES PRESIDENTRIDER IS ALSO ON LINE. MICHAEL, IF YOU ARE READY TO GO, GO AHEAD AND PRESENT YOUR BUDGET.

>> COUNCILMAN WORRELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND THANK YOU FOR THE ENTIRE COUNCIL'S VOICE FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROPOSE THE 2023 BUDGET FOR PARKS AND RECREATION, TWO-TIME GOLD MEDAL WINNING PARKS AND RECREATION AGENCY AND NATIONALLY ACCREDITED.

I LIKE TO START WITH AN OVERVIEW OF OUR BUDGETS BECAUSE WE WILL BE PRESENTING TONIGHT -- OR THIS MORNING.

EXCUSE ME. BOTH BOTH ARE GENERAL FUND BUDGET WHICH IS 100% FUNDED BY THE CITY OF CARMEL AND THREE NONREVERTING BUDGETS THAT ARE SELF-FUNDED AND OPERATING AMONG OUR COMMUNITY CENTER AS WELL AS OUR PROGRAMS AND SERVICES FOR WHICH WE ARE WELL KNOWN. AS AN OVERVIEW, OUR TOTAL OPERATING BUDGET FOR -- AS PROPOSED FOR 2023 IS $16,370,456. WE ARE PROJECTING REVENUES OF $10,461,490. AND I AM PLEASED TO REPORT THAT FOR EACH OF OUR BUDGETS THAT ARE NONREVERTING, THEY ARE PROJECTED TO BE COMPLETELY SELF-SUFFICIENT AND OVER 100% COST RECOVERY.

AS A SERVICE-ORIENTED ORGANIZATION, PERSONNEL REPRESENTS OUR GREATEST EXPENSE. AND OVERALL BETWEEN ALL OF OUR OPERATING BUDGETS REPRESENTS 59% OF OUT TOTAL BUDGET OR ALMOST 9.7 MILLION. AND IN 2023, WE -- WE ARE BUDGETING FOR 68 FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES THAT IS SEPARATED BETWEEN THE GENERAL FUND, THE TAX SUPPORTED BUDGET OF 31 EMPLOYEES, WHICH IS AN INCREASE OF TWO FROM THE 2022 BUDGET.

AND I WILL TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE LATER.

EXTENDED SCHOOL ENRICHMENT WHICH HAS 19.

AND THE MONON COMMUNITY CENTER WHICH HAS 18, WHICH IS AN INCREASE OF ONE AND JOINTLY FUNDED BY ESC AND COMMUNITY CENTER AND I WILL TALK ABOUT THAT IN JUST A LITTLE BIT.

OVERALL PROVISIONS THAT IMPACT EACH OF OUR OPERATING BUDGETS.

WE DID ALLOW A 6% ALLOWANCE FOR MERIT INCREASES FOR ALL OF OUR FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES. AS YOU ARE PROBABLY QUITE AWARE SINCE 2007, WE HAVE NOT PROVIDED MERIT INCREASE -- WE ONLY OFFERED MERIT INCREASES TO OUR EMPLOYEES INSTEAD OF AUTOMATIC STEP INCREASES. OUR EMPLOYEE ARE ONLY RECEIVING RACES BASED ON THEIR PERFORMANCE EVALUATIONS AND THAT IS REFLECTED IN WHAT THEY CAN RECEIVE.

OUR EMPLOYEES WILL RECEIVE ZERO TO 6% INCREASE BASED ON THAT.

WE ALSO -- WE LANDED ON 6%, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY 2020 WAS A VERY DIFFICULT YEAR FOR EVERYONE, INCLUDING CARMEL PARKS AND RECREATION. AS A RESULT, WE WERE NOT ABLE TO GIVE OUR FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES RAISES IN 2021.

SO WHAT WE DID THIS YEAR IS MIDWAY THROUGH THE YEAR, THE PARKS BOARD WAS GRACIOUS DUE TO THE REBOUNDING REVENUES IN OUR MONO CENTER, ALL EMPLOYEE A 4% COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENTS THAT MAKES UP FOR THE RAISES THAT OUR EMPLOYEES DID NOT RECEIVE IN 2021 GIVEN THE INFLATIONARY FACTORS WE ARE FACING.

TO BE IN LINE WITH THE 20% INCREASE OF COLA AND THE ONE-TIME PAY, WE GAVE 4% UP FRONT AND UP TO 6% MOVING FORWARD. OF COURSE INCLUDED IN OUR PERSONNEL LINES, ALL THE SAME TYPES OF BENEFITS THAT THE CITY EMPLOYEES RECEIVED PER DEFERRED COMPENSATION.

AND THE MEDICAL BENEFITS THAT ISSUED THROUGH THE CITY ARE ALSO AVAILABLE THROUGH ALL OF OUR FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES.

WITH THAT, WE ARE BUDGETING FOR 9% INCREASE IN OUR HEALTH PREMIUMS OR APPROXIMATELY 9% INCREASE IN OUR HEALTH PREMIUMS REFLECTED IN THE REVISED BUDGETS THAT WERE PROVIDED TO YOU IN ADVANCE OF THIS MEETING. WITH THAT, I WILL GO AND JUMP INTO THE GO EN RALE FUND BUDGET. IN YOUR PACKET IT IS 1125.

THIS BUDGET HAS BEEN REVIEWED BY THE PARK BOARD FINANCE COMMITTEE FOR PRESENTATION AND RECOMMENDATION FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL. ALSO I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO COUNSELORS GREEN AND FICTIONAM TO REVIEW THE BUDGET

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TOTAL PROPOSED BUDGET IS $5,308,408.

THIS REPRESENTS A 14% INCREASE OR JUST OVER $666,000.

I WILL NOTE, THOUGH, THAT 64% OF THAT INCREASE IS TIED TO PERSONNEL SERVICES, TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THOSE -- THOSE MERIT INCREASES THAT WE PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED, ARE THE 9% INSURANCE INCREASE, AS WELL AS INCREASES TO OUR -- TO OUR PART-TIME LABOR FORCE WHICH HAS BEEN NECESSARY TO BE COMPETITIVE WITHIN THE LOCAL LABOR MARKET. AND ALSO DOES FACTOR IN THAT WE WILL BE EXTENDING ACTUALLY STARTING EFFECTIVE NOVEMBER 1, MEDICAL BENEFITS TO OUR PART-TIME EMPLOYEES THROUGHOUT THE DEPARTMENT. SO WE DID ALLOW FOR THAT WITHIN OUR BUDGET AS WELL. WE ARE -- WE ARE BUDGETING 31 FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES WITHIN THIS PARTICULAR BUDGET, THE GENERAL FUND BUDGET. THIS INCLUDES TWO ADDITIONAL TECHNICIAN POSITIONS THAT WERE NOT INCLUDED IN THE 2021 BUDGET.

EXCUSE ME THE 2022 BUDGET BUT ACTUALLY BECAUSE OF INCREDIBLE CHALLENGE WE HAVE BEEN HAVING HIRING PART-TIME LABOR FORCE, WE HAD TO CONVERT FOUR OF OUR PART-TIME MAINTENANCE POSITION INTO TWO FULL-TIME POSITIONS. WE WOULD RATHER HAVE ACTUAL EMPLOYEES WORKING MAYBE NOT AS MANY HOURS AS WE WOULD HAVE LIKED THAN FOUR VACANT POSITIONS.

AT ONE POINT, WE HAD MORE VACANT PART-TIME MAINTENANCE POSITIONS THAN WE HAD FULL-TIMES. OBVIOUSLY WE WANT TO KEEP OUR PARK IN TOP SHAPE FOR THE.PUBLIC ARIZONA IS EXPECTED THE PUBLIC DESERVES. WE MADE THAT DECISION TO MAKE THAT CHANGE THIS YEAR. SO IT IS NOT ACTUALLY AN INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES THAT WE HAVE, BUT IT IS AN INCREASE IF YOU ARE COMPARING US TO THE -- THE 2022 BUDGET. LIKE I SAID, WE DID ALLOW 6% FOR MERIT INCREASES AND THE TOTAL PERSONNEL INCREASED BY $666,000.

NET INCREASE OF SUPPLIES. THE LARGEST AMOUNT OF THAT WAS ATTRIBUTED TO INCREASES IN FUEL. AND NET INCREASE IN OUR NET SERVICES LINES. MOST OF THOSE INCREASES ARE ATTRIBUTED TO UTILITY EXPENSES THAT ARE RELATED TO THE NEW AND UPDATED INFRASTRUCTURE IN MEADOWLARK, LAWRENCE, AND MIDDLE HERITAGE PARKS. WE ALSO HAVE PROPOSED TRANSITIONING THREE VEHICLES THAT ARE SCHEDULED WITHIN OUR FLEET TO THE LEASING PROGRAM. SO IN THE PAST WE ALWAYS PURCHASED THOSE VEHICLES OUTRIGHT, BUT SIMILAR TO WHAT THE CITY DOES WITH SOME OF ITS FLEET, WE HAVE BEEN TRANSITIONING OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.

WE WILL BE REPLACING THREE OF OUR EXISTING VEHICLES AND TRADING THEM IN AND PUTTING THEM ON THE LEASE PROGRAM.

WE ARE ADDING ONE ADDITIONAL VEHICLE TO HELP SUPPORT THE ADDITIONAL STAFF THAT WE HAVE, ESPECIALLY IN OUR MAINTENANCE AREA. AND THEN THERE IS A $5,000 NET INCREASE IN OUR CAPITAL OUTLAY. THIS IS BASED ON RECOMMENDATIONS FOR COMPUTER REPLACEMENTS THAT THE CITY ICS DEPARTMENT HAS RECOMMENDED. AND WE ARE VERY PLEASED AND THANKFUL FOR THE CITY FOR PROVIDING IC SUSHGZ TO SUPPORT ALL OF OUR IT NEEDS. I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE THE TOP FIVE EXPENSES WITHIN OUR BUDGET, BECAUSE WHEN YOU GO OVER THESE NUMBERS, IT EXPLAINS WHAT IS DRIVING OUR BUDGET, BECAUSE IT ALWAYS REPRESENTS THE LION'S SHARE WHAT WE DO.

LIKE I MENTIONED SERVICE-ORIENTED ORGANIZATION, PERSONNEL IS OUR NUMBER ONE EXPENSE, THE PROPOSED BUDGET, 67% OF THE BUDGET IS FOR PERSONNEL.

JUST OVER $3.5 MILLION. $3.6 MILLION.

GROUND MAINTENANCE IS OUR SECOND LARGEST EXPENSE REPRESENTING 12% OF THE BUDGET, ALMOST $652,000. UTILITIES OUR THIRD EXPENSE, ROUGHLY 5% AT $243,000. UTILITIES INCLUDE EVERYTHING FROM ELECTRICITY, NATURAL GAS, WATER, SEWER, CABLE, PERSON TO AND TRASH. SO EVERYTHING WE NEED TO HAVE THE BASICS TO OPERATE OUR FACILITIES.

LEGAL FEES REPRESENTS 2% OF OUR OVERALL BUDGET, $125,000.

AS YOU ARE LIKELY AWARE, WE USE OUTSIDE COUNSEL TO SERVE AS THE PARK BOARD ATTORNEY, AS WELL AS IF THERE ARE SPECIALTY CASES, WE WILL BRING IN EXPERTS FOR THAT AS WELL.

AND THEN CONTRACTUAL SERVICES REPRESENT 2% OF OUR BUDGET, $118,000, AND THAT'S THE -- THE LINE BY WHICH OUR VEHICLE LEASES ARE INCORPORATED. IF YOU ADD THOSE TOP FIVE BUDGET

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BALANCE. >> THANK YOU EXCEL ENLTS REPORT ON 1125. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE COUNCIL? A VERY THOROUGH REPORT.

I KNOW YOU ARE UP EARLY. I DO WANT TO MENTION COUNCILOR FINKAM IS OUTS OF TOWN AND IS JOINING US.

I DON'T SEE ANY QUESTIONS, 103, PARKS CAPITAL FUND.

>> SO THE PARKS CAPITAL FUNDS IS FULLY FUNDED, PROPOSED IS $519,000 WHICH IS AN INCREASE OF $239,000 FOR -- FROM THE CURRENT YEAR BUDGET. THIS IS A FUND THAT IS SOLELY DEDICATED FOR PARK CAPITAL PROJECTS WITHIN THE PARK SYSTEM.

ONE THAT FOR MANY YEARS WAS ACTUALLY DORMANT USING THE DOLLARS FROM THE LOCAL INCOME TAXES THAT THE TOWNSHIP RECEIVES TO THE CENTRAL PARK BOND. AS WE ALL KNOW THAT BOND IS GETTING CLOSE TO APPROACHING RETIREMENT AND THAT WILL SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACT THE LIP THAT THE TOWNSHIP IS RECEIVING AVAILABLE FOR PARKS. WE ARE STARTING TO INCREASE THE FUNDING IN THIS ONE TO PARTIALLY CUSHION THE BLOW THERE.

MAJORITY OF THAT $519 MILLION IS EXTEND THE 116TH STREET PERIMETER TRAIL ALONG WEST PARK. FROM THE PAVILION ENTRY DRIVE ALL THE WAY TO THE WESTERN BORDER AND BE ABLE TO CREATE A CROSSWALK THAT WILL CONNECT TO THE JEWISH TEMPLE ON SOUTH SIDE OF 115TH STREET, EFFECTIVELY CONNECTING ALL THE RESIDENTS TO THE WEST OF THE PARK TO SHERIDAN TO WEST PARK AND FURTHER EAST ALONG THE PERIMETER TRAIL THAT THE CITY HAS.

REMAINING $19,000 IS FOR REPLACEMENTS OF ASSETS WITHIN MIDTOWN PLAZA AND THE MONEN BOULEVARD.

YOU KNOW VERY HEAVY USED AREA, SO WE ALWAYS ALLOW AN AMOUNT FOR REPLACEMENT OF BEACHES BENCHES AND UMBRELLAS.

THAT REPRESENTS THE 103 BUDGET AND HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN ANY

QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. >> IF NO QUESTIONS.

I AM MOVING TO 108. >> 108 IS -- THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COUNCILOR WORRELL, 108 IS THE SCHOOL ENRICHMENT FUND.

THE FUND THAT SUPPORTS SCHOOL ENRICHMENT BEFORE AND AFTER-SCHOOL PROGRAM OFFERED IN PARTNERSHIP WITH CARMEL SCHOOLS.

2022-'23 REPRESENT THE 17TH YEAR OF THE PROGRAM AND SEEMS LIKE JUST YESTERDAY WHEN WE STARTED THE PROGRAM.

THIS ALSO OPERATES ALL OF OUR SUMMER CAMPS.

ONE THING I ALWAYS LIKE TO TALK ABOUT OUR SUMMER CAMPS IS WE ARE ONE OF THE FEW IF ONLY PARK SYSTEMS IN THE -- DEFINITELY IN THE STATE OF INDIANA AND WITHIN THE COUNTRY THAT BECAUSE OF THE POPULARITY OF OUR SUMMER CAMPS AND ACCUMULATED REVENUES THAT WE GENERATE THROUGH THAT PROGRAM, WE CONTRIBUTED OVER $1.5 MILLION FROM THIS FUND A FEW YEARS AGO TO HELP DISCUSS THE PERLMAN PAVILION AND WORKING TO REBUILD THOSE FUNDS TO ULTIMATELY CONTRIBUTE TO HOPEFULLY THE NEW FACILITY IN BEAR CREEK PARK.

THAT IS THE POWER OF THIS FUND. PROPOSED REVENUE $4,325,750.

OUR EXPENSES BUDGETED $4,293,010.

THE PROJECTED COST RECOVERY IS 101%.

THAT'S HOW WE ARE ABLE TO GENERATE REVENUES TO CONTINUE.

OUR REVENUE SOURCES -- BASICALLY ONLY THREE -- AND REALLY TWO.

$2.8 MILLION OR 65 BERRY -- 65% TOMORROW FROM OUR BEFORE OR AFTER-SCHOOL FEES. THE YOUTH PARTICIPATION OF THE PROGRAM. SUMMER KAMPFES REPRESENT A LITTLE OVER $1.5 MILLION OR LITTLE OVER 35%.

WE GET ABOUT $2,000 IN DONATIONS, INTEREST AND LATE FEES WHEN PARENTS DON'T PICK UP THEIR KIDS BEFORE THE PROGRAM CLOSES. THAT REPRESENTS ALL 100% OF OUR REVENUES. OUR TOP FIVE EXPENSES SINCE WE DON'T HAVE PHYSICAL BUILDINGS THAT THIS DIVISION IS RESPONSIBLE FOR, OUR PERSONAL EXPENSES REPRESENT 69% OF THE BUDGET. 19 FULL-TIME POSITIONS.

FIELD TRIPS AND BUS RENTALS REPRESENT 9% OF OUR BUDGET, JUST UNDER $406,000. OUR SUMMER CAMPS GO TO MANY

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ALL OF OUR CAMPS AT LEAST ONCE A WEEK ATTEND THE WATER PARK.

SO OUR SUMMER CAMP ARE HELPING TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE OPERATIONS OF THE WATER PARK. FACILITY RENTAL REPRESENT 4% OF THE BUDGET OR $190,000. WE DO PROVIDE FUNDING TO THE SCHOOLS FOR USE OF THE FACILITIES THEY PROVIDE US DURING SUMMER CAMPS, AS WELL AS ESE PAY A RENTAL FEE FOR THE PAVILION AND FOUNDERS PARK FOR USE OF THE FACILITIES AND FOR OPERATION OF THOSE TWO REMOTE FACILITIES.

4% OF OUR BUDGET FOR FOOD SUM PLACE, $185,000 IN BEFORE AND AFTER-SCHOOL PROGRAM. WE PURCHASE SNACKS FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT SO THAT WAY WE ENSURE WE ARE MEETING THE SAME NUTRITIONAL GUIDELINES THEY PROVIDE FOR THEIR STUDENTS DURING THE REGULAR SCHOOL DAY. 3% OF THE ESC BUDGET IS FOR PROGRAM SUPPLIES, $432,000. ARTS AND CRAFTS SUPPLIES, REAWARDS, ETC. REPRESENT $3.9 MILLION OR 30% OF THE TOTAL BUDGET. WITH THAT, I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE REGARDING FUND 108.

>>JEFF WORRELL: I DON'T KNOW IF YOU -- YOU MENTIONED IT, SO COUNCIL APPROVAL IS TECHNICALLY NOT REQUIRED ON THIS ONE.

I THINK THE PUBLIC MIGHT WANT TO KNOW THAT.

>> HAPPY TO DO SO. SO FOR FUNDS 108, 109 AND 110, BECAUSE NO TAX DOLLARS ARE USED TO OPERATE THESE -- THESE PROGRAMS AND THESE FUNDS, THE AUTHORITY FOR APPROVAL LIES WITH THE PARK BOARD. IF WE WERE TO REQUIRE ANY TAX DOLLARS, THE CITY COUNCIL WILL HAVE TO APPROVE.

ALL TO HE WE ARE NOT REQUESTING ANY, IT IS IMPORTANT TO BE TRANSPARENT NOT ONLY TO THE CITY COUNCIL, BUT TO THE PUBLIC AS WELL. SO WE ARE VERY PLEASED TO ALWAYS PRESENT THESE AT THE BUDGET WORKSHOPS AT INFORMATIONAL ITEMS, BUT, YOU ARE CORRECT, COUNCIL WILL WORRELL, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL HAS TO VOTE ON.

>>JEFF WORRELL: GREAT REPORT. READY TO MOVE -- COUNCILOR HANNON. GO RIGHT INTO 110 AND WE WILL DO

OUR QUESTIONS AT THE END. >> PERFECT.

THE 109 FUNDS THE MONON COMMUNITY CENTER AND PROGRAMMING OUTSIDE OF EXTENDED SCHOOL ENRICHMENT.

PROJECTED REVENUES FOR IN EX-YEAR, $6,135,740.

EXPENSES $6,098,878. PROJECT WILLING 100% COST RECOVERY FOR NEXT YEAR. TOP FIVE REVENUES FOR THE MONON COMMUNITY CENTER REPRESENTS 96% OF THE BUDGET OR $5.9 MILLION.

NUMBER ONE IS MEMBERSHIPS AT A LITTLE OVER $3.5 MILLION OR 58% OF THE BUDGET. THIS IS OUR ANNUAL MONTHLY AND SEASONAL PASSES. DAY PASSES AND TEN PUNCH PASSES.

ADMISSIONS THAT ARE PREDOMINANTLY FROM THE WATER PARK REPRESENT A LITTLE UNDER $1.5 MILLION OR 24% OF THE TOTAL REVENUE PROJECTIONS. RECREATION PROGRAM FEES THAT INCLUDE PRESCHOOL, YOUTH ADULT WELLNESS PROGRAMS AS WELL AS A VARIETY OF PROGRAMS THAT WE CONTRACT WITH QUALIFIED INDEPENDENT CONTRACTSERS REPRESENT 7% OF THE BUDGET OF $435,000. CONCESSIONS AND VENDING.

THE VAST MAJORITY ARE CONCESSIONS FROM THE WATER PARK REPRESENT 4% OF OUR PROJECTED REVENUES, $245,000 AQUATIC PROGRAMS DOES SEGREGATE TO $210,000 OR 3% OF THE BUDGET AND INCLUDES PROGRAMS PREDOMINANTLY. LIKE I SAID IN TOTAL, THOSE REVENUES -- TOP FIVE REVENUES REPRESENT 96% OF OUR PROJECTED REVENUES AND 85% OF THOSE DOLLARS ARE ACTUALLY BASICALLY ATTENDANCE DRIVEN REVENUE. AND A LOT OF THAT ASSOCIATED, AGAIN, WITH THE WATER PARK. SO WE HAVE REALLY NICE SUMMERS LIKE WE DID THIS YEAR, AT LEAST HOT SUMMER THAT WERE NICE, IT DEFINITELY HELPS OUR ARE HE KNEWS.

TOP FIVE EXPENSES BECAUSE WE HAVE BRICK AND MORTAR WITH THIS FUND, PERSONNEL IS STILL NUMBER ONE, BUT ONLY 51% OF OUR PROPOSED BUDGET. $3,123,428.

WE HAVE ACTUALLY INCLUDED IN THIS BUDGET BUT EXTENDED SCHOOL ENRICHMENT WILL BE CONTRIBUTING TO THIS.

WE ARE HEARING NEXT YEAR A REVENUE DEVELOPMENT COORDINATOR.

WE ARE BRINGING IN A PERSON THAT IS SPECIFICALLY DEDICATE TO

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THE CARMEL PARKS FOUNDATION WHICH HAS BEEN AROUND FOR TEN YEARS IS KIND OF IN ITS INFANCY IS GIVING US A GRANT OF ARE YOU HAVELY HALF THE COST TO BRING IN THE REVENUE, WE ARE BRINGING IN DOLLARS TO SUBSIDIZE HALF OF THAT.

AND THE GOAL IS FOR THE NEW GOVERNMENT COORDINATE TO FUND THEMSELVES. PERSONNEL REP.

UTILITIES REPRESENT 12% OR $# 53,000 AND SOME CHANGE.

REPAIRS AND MAINTENANCE, THAT IS NOT ONLY THE PARKS THAT BE NEED TO PURCHASE -- PARTS WE NEED TO PURCHASE FOR REPAIRS IN-HOUSE, BUT CONTRACT, PREVENTIVE MAINTENANCE THAT IS PREDOMINANTLY CONTRACTED OUT IS 6% OF THE BUDGET OR $378,000.

CLEANING SERVICES REPRESENT 5% OF THE BUDGET, $310,000.

WE DO CONTRACT ALL OF THE JANITOR RALE SERVICES AT THE MONON COMMUNITY CENTER. MARKETING REPRESENTS 4% OF THE BUDGET $240,000. ALL THE MARKETING ASSOCIATED WITH THE MONON COMMUNITY CENTER EXCLUSIVELY THAT OUR GENERAL PR, ELECTRIC, SOCIAL MEDIA, PRINT, ADVERTISING WE DO ON BOTH RADIO, SOME SOCIAL MEDIA OUTLETS AND TV PERIODICALLY.

THE OVERALL TOP FIVE EXPENSES REPRESENT 79% OF THE MCC BUDGET OR OVER $4.8 MILLION. I WILL THEN JUMP TO THE FUND 110 WHICH IS THE PARKS AND RECREATION FACILITY FUND.

THIS IS OUR SMALLEST NONREVERTING BUDGET.

BUT THIS COVERS BOTH THE JILL PEARLMAN PAVILION IN WEST PARK, THE PAVILION IN FOUNDERS PARK AND ALL OF OUR SHELTERS.

AND MOST IMPORTANTLY THE DOG PARK.

REVENUES PROJECTED $183,200. EX-ENSESES AT $151,160.

THE NET PROCEEDS FROM THIS FUND ARE USED TO HELP FUND FUTURE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS LIKE OVER THE YEARS, ADDITIONAL LIGHTS WITHIN THE DOG PARK, THE EXPANDED DOG PARK AREA WERE ALL FUNDED THROUGH REVENUES FROM THIS FUND.

TOP THREE REVENUES WHICH REPRESENT 98% OF THE PROPOSED BUDGET, $90,000 IS FROM DOG PARK FEES.

49% OF THE BUDGET. THAT IS BASED ON 700 MEMBERS AND, YES, WE STILL DO HAVE A WAIT LIST.

FACILITY RENTALS REPRESENT $55,000 OR 30%.

AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, MOST OF THAT MONEY IS COME FROM ESC FOR THE USE OF TWO PAVILIONS. THE SPARK SHELTER RENTALS.

OPEN AIR SHELTERS THROUGHOUT THE PARK SYSTEM IS PROJECTED 35,000 OR 19% OF THE TOTAL REVENUES. JUMPING TO EXPENSES.

TOP FIVE EXPENSES. HERE WE DO A LITTLE BIT OF PERSONNEL AND THE ONLY BUDGET WHERE IT ISN'T THE LARGEST.

LARGEST 20% OR A LITTLE OVER $36,000.

ALL THE UTILITIES FOR THE DOG PARK AND TWO PA I WILL HAVE I DON'T KNOWS, GROUND MAINTENANCE 25% OF $35,500.

ALL OF THE MOWING SERVICES INSIDE THE DOG PARK.

FACILITY WITH THE USER FEE TO COVER ALL THE EXPENSES AND WE ATTRIBUTE ALL OF THE EXPENSE IT IS CAUSES OR GENERATES TO THIS FUND. CLEANING SERVICES REPRESENTS $26,082, 17% OF THE OVERALL BUDGET OF THE JANITOR RALE SERVICES AT THE TWO SATELLITE FACILITIES.

18,000 OR 12% OF THE OVERALL BUDGET TO PART-TIME STAFFING NEEDS TO CHANGE OUT SHELTER SIGNS AND WORK WITHIN COMPLETED IN THE DOG PARK. LIKE WE SAID AGAIN, ANY -- ANY EXPENSES THAT THESE FACILITIES ARE GENERATING ARE CHARGE TO THIS FUND -- ARE CONTRIBUTING TO THE FUND.

REPAIRS AND MAINTENANCE REPRESENT 10% OF THE BUDGET OR ALMOST $15,000. GENERAL REPAIRS TO THE DOG PARK AND ALSO TO THE PAVILIONS. WITH THAT, THAT INCLUDES MY 110 PRESENTATION. HAPPY TO ADDRESS ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS YOU HAVE FOR 109, 110, OR THE PARK SYSTEM IN GENERAL.

>>JEFF WORRELL: VERY GOOD. COUNCILOR GREEN.

>>TONY GREEN: THANKS, MICHAEL. I WAS LOOKING THROUGH THE VARIOUS BUDGET AND I AM GLAD YOU CLARIFIED FOR EVERYBODY THE

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SOME OF THE DISCUSSIONS COMPARING THE PRECOVID BUDGET TO BUDGET YOU HAVE TODAY. CAN YOU KIND OF GIVE A BIG HIGHLIGHT OF -- FOR INSTANCE, THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES YOU HAD PRECOVID VERSUS THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES YOU HAVE TODAY AND SOME OF THE PROGRAMS YOU TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, THE AFTERSCHOOL PROGRAM AND THOSE AND KIND OF HOW THINGS ARE DIFFERENT BETWEEN PRECOVID AND WHERE YOU ARE TODAY.

>> HAPPY TO DO SO COUNCILOR GREEN.

THANK YOU. OBVIOUSLY COVID HAD A TREMENDOUS IMPACT ON US AS A SERVICE-ORIENTED ORGANIZATION.

FOR OUR EMPLOYEES, WE AS A RESULT OF COVID, HAD TO ELIMINATE 21 FULL-TIME POSITIONS.

ABOUT HALF OF THOSE WERE IN THE EXTENDED SCHOOL ENRICHMENT PROGRAM. ALL 11 OF OUR ASSISTANT SITE SUPERVISORS, AS WELL AS AN ASSISTANT INCLUSION SUPERVISOR WE HAD DEDICATE TO THAT PROGRAM. REALLY THOSE REDUCTIONS REFLECTED THE TREMENDOUS REDUCTION IN PARTICIPATION WE HAD IN THOSE PROGRAMS. WE ARE FORTUNATE THAT WE HAVE BROUGHT BACK JUST OVER HALF OR SIX OF THOSE -- OR REFUNDED SIX OF THOSE POSITIONS, NOT NECESSARILY THE SAME EMPLOYEES BECAUSE IT WAS OVER A YEAR BEFORE WE STARTED REFILLING THOSE POSITIONS. BUT WE HAVE ASSISTANT SITE SUPERVISORS THAT ARE NOT NECESSARILY DEDICATED TO EACH OF THE SCHOOLS LIKE BEFORE, BUT EACH ONE IS DEDICATE TO A SET NUMBER THAT PROVIDES SUPPORT FOR THAT.

WITHIN THE MONON CENTER IS WHERE THE POSITIONS WERE LOST.

THAT WAS PREDOMINANTLY OUR RECREATION PROGRAMMING STAFF.

AGAIN THE PROGRAM NUMBERS WENT DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY, SO WE WENT BACK AND FOCUSED ON REALLY OUR CORE SERVICES THAT GENERATE THE MOST REVENUES OUR RECREATION PROGRAM HAS HISTORICALLY BEEN AT BEST COVERING THEIR EXPENSES BUT NOT CONTRIBUTING TOWARD THE OPERATING EXPENSES OF THE FACILITY THEMSELVES.

THOSE ARE FUNDED THROUGH OUR MEMBERSHIPS.

THE WATER PARK AQUATICS TYPE PROGRAM.

WE CONTRACTED OUR PROGRAM QUITE SIGNIFICANTLY AND REFLECTED ON THE DEMAND. WE ARE STARTING TO REGROW THOSE PROGRAMS. WE BROUGHT BACK OUR MANAGEMENT THAT IS IS DEDICATED TO PROGRAMMING.

AND STARTING TO REGROW THOSE PROGRAMS. AND OUR ASSISTANT DIRECTOR IS ON THE CALL WITH ME AND INSTRUMENTAL IN HELPING ME PREPARE THE BUDGET FOR THE COUNCIL TODAY. CURTIS REMINDED ME WE BROUGHT BACK FIVE OF THE SEVEN EMPLOYEES WE ELIMINATED.

IS THAT CORRECT. >> THAT IS CORRECT.

PRECOVID, WE WERE BUDGETED FOR 78 FULL-TIME STAFF, ANDE IN THI BUDGETED FOR 68. WE ARE ALMOST ALL THE WAY BACK TO WHERE WE WERE. WE ARE GETTING THERE.

>> SO -- AND LIKE FOR THE EXTENDED SCHOOL ENRICHMENT PROGRAM, PARTICIPATION, OF COURSE, IN 2020 AND 2021 WAS SIGNIFICANTLY LESS. WE ARE STARTING TO REBOUND.

NOT PRECOVID NUMBERS BUT 80% PARTICIPATION THERE.

WHAT CHANGED FUNDAMENTALLY BECAUSE OF STAFFING THAT CARMEL SCHOOLS HAS ABOUT BUSING SERVICES.

THEY CHANGED THE BELL TIME WHEN CLASSES START AT THE ELEMENTARY AS WELL AS MIDDLE AND HIGH SCHOOLS.

THE ONLY ELEMENTARY IMPACTS THE PROGRAM AS FAR AS WHEN WE OFFER THE PROGRAM. BUT BECAUSE THE TIMES ARE SO MUCH LATER THAN THEY WERE BEFORE, BEFORE SCHOOL PROGRAM ON THE LATE START DAY. AND OTHERWISE BEFORE-SCHOOL PROGRAM HAS BEEN ELIMINATED. WITHER SEEING THE PARTICIPATION NUMBERS LEAK I SAID ALMOST 80% WHERE WE WERE BEFORE WHICH IS ALLOWING US TO CONTINUE TO GROW THE PROGRAM.

BIGGEST CHALLENGE THERE IS GETTING STAFFING.

HOPEFULLY THAT ADDRESSED YOUR QUESTION, COUNCILOR GREEN.

>>TONY GREEN: APPRECIATED THAT. GOING BACK TO THE PREMISE, IN YOUR BUDGET, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU ARE -- YOU HAVE THE -- YOU ACCOUNTED FOR 68 FULL-TIME POSITIONS BASED ON THE COMMAND AND WHERE YOU ARE TODAY. AND WHAT IF IT GETS BACK TO THE PRECOVID -- DOESN'T JUST GET TO THE PRECOVID BUT INCREASES WITH THE POPULATION GROWTH WE ARE HAVING.

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>> FORTUNATELY MOST OF THE PLACES THAT WOULD REQUIRE US TO HAVE ADDITIONAL STAFF IS ON THE MONON COMMUNITY CENTER.

WE WILL BE ABLE TO GO TO THE PARK BOARD AND WILL BE SELF-FUNDED. WE HAVE ENOUGH REVENUE TO DO SO.

TO COME BACK TO THE COUNCIL AS WE CONTINUE TO GROW THE PARK SYSTEM AND BRING NEW PARKS ONLINE OR CONTINUE TO PROVIDE EXTENSIVE RENOVATION TO OUR EXISTING PARK THAT WILL REAR ADDITIONAL LABOR. IF THAT WERE TO HAPPEN MIDYEAR WHEN THEY COME ON LINE AND WASN'T FACTORED INTO THE BUDGET IT WOULD HAVE TO COME TO CITY COUNCIL.

THE JAPANESE GARDEN EXPANSION. THE TOWNSHIP IS WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE CITY ON DEVELOPING PLAN PLANS FOR THAT EXPANSION. AND I MET WITH THE NEWEST DESIGNER A PHENOMENAL EXPERT. BUT THAT FACILITY WILL BE QUITE EXTENSIVE IF PRESIDENT INITIAL TALK IS -- COMES TO REALITY.

AND DEFINITELY WOULD REQUIRE MORE THAN WHAT WE HAVE IN THE STAFF, BECAUSE IT WILL BE A HIGH MAINTENANCE OPERATION.

HOPEFULLY THAT DOESN'T COME ONLINE UNTIL AFTER THE 2023 BUDGET SO WE CAN INCORPORATE THAT IN THE BUDGET AND NOT HAVE

TO DO A SPECIAL APPROPRIATION. >>TONY GREEN: THANKS, MICHAEL.

I KNOW OTHERS WANT TO ASK QUESTIONS, SO I WILL FINISH UP.

YOU WERE DISCUSSING PUTTING TOGETHER -- YOU ARE STARTING YOUR STRATEGIC PLAN IN THE FALL, NOT NECESSARILY DIRECTLY IMPACTING THE BUDGET, BUT THE FUTURE BUDGETS COMING.

>> ABSOLUTELY. WE, OF COURSE, EVERY FIVE YEARS DEVELOP A NEW COMPREHENSIVE PARKS AND RECREATION PLAN.

BECAUSE OF COVID AND THE IMPACT IT HAD ON THE PARK SYSTEM, BOTH POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE. FOR EXAMPLE, PARTICIPATION, USAGE OF OUR PARKS HAVE SKYROCKETED SINCE COVID.

PART RELATED TO THE ASSETS WE HAVE RENOVATED AND BROUGHT ONLINE. PART OF IT IS MORE PEOPLE GETTING OUTSIDE BECAUSE THAT -- THAT IS A GOOD THING TO DO.

ALWAYS HAVE BEEN AND PEOPLE DISCOVER BECAUSE OF COVID, BUT ANYWAY, THE CHANGES WE HAD ON OUR OPERATIONS FOR REVENUE GENERATING PROGRAMS AND FACILITIES AND EXPEDITE THAT A LITTLE BIT TYPICALLY OUR PLAN TOWARD 2024.

BUT WE ARE STARTING THIS FALL AND WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS GETTING A LITTLE START -- AN EARLY JUMP ON THAN SO WE CAN FACT THEIR IN. THAT ALSO ALLOWS US TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A GOOD GRASP ON ALL OF THE NEW ASSETS THAT WE ARE BRINGING ONLINE TO ENSURE THAT WE INCORPORATE CAPITAL REPAIRS AND REPLACEMENTS PROPERLY WITHIN OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN -- LONG-TERM CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.

THAT PROCESS WILL BE A PUBLIC PROCESS.

WE WILL INCORPORATE FEEDBACK FROM CITY COUNCIL AS WELL AS OTHER COMMUNITY LEADERS, CONSTITUENCY GROUPS, KEY STAKEHOLDERS AND A PUBLIC SURVEY COMPONENT FOR THAT AS WELL.

BUT IT WILL BE -- AS IT HAS BEEN IN THE PAST, THE CURRENT PLAN.

IT WILL BE A VERY VALUABLE TOOL INNING US PRESENT -- HELPING US REPRESENT WHAT THE CAPITAL FUNDING NEEDS ARE FOR THE PARK

SYSTEM. >>TONY GREEN: THANKS, MICHAEL.

AT LEAST MY DISTRICT, MY CONSTITUENCY, THEY LOVE THE PARKS, AND THERE IS A FEELING WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PARKS.

AS WE ARE HAVING DISCUSSION OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND WE ARE SEEING MORE GREEN AREAS DISAPPEAR AND TREES CUTTING DOWN, THERE IS KIND OF A DEMAND FOR MORE PARKS.

HOPEFULLY WE TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION IN YOUR STRATEGIC

PLAN. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

COREY COREY COUNCIL MEMBER WUHAN.

>>TIM HANNON: DIRECT REMEMBER, THANK YOU FOR THE WORK OF YOU YOUR STAFF IN THE FRONT LINE YOU HAVE A GREAT PARKS DEPARTMENT.

TO GIVE YOUR DEPARTMENT THE SHOUT OUT OF ONE OF FEW IN THE CITY THAT HAVE TO MANAGE TOP LINE AND BOTTOM LINE THAT REVENUE AND EXPENSE HAVE TO BE MANAGED WHICH AGAIN THE POLICE IS HERE. WE LOVE THE POLICE BUT POLICE DON'T HAVE TO BROTHERY ABOUT REVENUE AND YOU DID THAT ON COVID IS OUTSTANDING. COUNSELOR GREEN AND I BELIEVE IT WAS PRECOVID AND I DON'T THINK WE WERE WEARING MASKS BUT YOU PRESENTED TO COUNCIL EARLY IN THE SESSION THE PROJECTED SHORTFALL -- AT LEAST POTENTIAL SHORTFALL IN NOT BUILDING NEW PARKS BUT MAINTAINING WORLD-CLASS PARKS IN GENERAL.

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KNOWING ABOUT THOSE, GETTING THOSE BOOKED EARLY, SUPPORT FROM COUNCIL, AS WELL AS CONSTITUENTS WILL BE VERY IMPORTANT IN ANY

SHORTFALLS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE. >> THANK YOU, COUNCILOR HANNON, YOUR RECOLLECTION IS SPOT ON. AND SOMETHING THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME. YOU KNOW CREATING A WORLD-CLASS PARK SYSTEM IS, OF COURSE, INVESTING AND BUILDING THESE INCREDIBLE ASSETS, BUT TO CONTINUE TO BE A WORLD-CLASS PARK SYSTEM AND TO CONTINUE TO BE IN A POSITION WHERE WE CAN RECEIVE MORE GOALED MEDALS. AND WE -- GOLD MED DALLAS.

WE DON'T DO -- GOLD MEDALS. SIGNIFIES US DO IT AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL AND THE INVESTMENT AND EXACTLY WHAT THAT IS.

WE ARE HAPPY TO DO THAT. AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ULTIMATELY HAVE A SUSTAINABLE PARK SYSTEM THAT IS -- YOU KNOW, FUTURE GENERATIONS CAN ENJOY AS MUCH AS THE CURRENT GENERATION.

>>JEFF WORRELL: COUNCILOR NELSON.

>>MILES NELSON: GOOD MORNING, DIRECT ARE, HOW ARE YOU.

>> DOING VERY WELL. >>MILES NELSON: THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. CONGRATULATION ON THE REWARDS.

TO OBVIOUSLY THE CITY LOVES YOUR PARKS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR EXTENDING -- OR HAVING IN YOUR PLANS EXTENDING THE MULTIUSE PATH IN FRONT OF WEST PARK.

THAT IS ONE OF THE -- NOT THE TOP QUESTION I GET REGARDING THE PARKS, BUT A BIG ONE. THE BIGGEST QUESTION I GET MOST FREQUENTLY IS, IS THERE -- ARE THERE ANY PLANS FOR A DOG PARK

ON THE WEST SIDE. >> SO COUNCILOR NELSON, THANK YOU FOR THAT. PROBABLY THE NUMBER ONE QUESTION I AM RECEIVING OTHER THAN THE SHELTER IS WHEN WEST PARK GOING TO OPEN. AND HOPEFULLY WITHIN THE NEXT WEEK. SO, YES, DOG PARK IS ALSO VERY COMMON QUESTION ON THE WEST SIDE.

WE ARE SCOUTING LOCATIONS FOR THAT LOCATION -- FOR A DOG PARK.

WE WOULD LIKE TO CREATE A DOG PARK BOTH ON THE EAST AND WEST SIDES OF THE COMMUNITY. WE KNOW THAT BEAR CREEK PARK, THE NEW PROPERTY WE PURCHASE A FEW YEARS AGO ISN'T SUFFICIENT SIZE OR TOPOGRAPHY TO SUPPORT THAT.

WE ARE LOOKING AT LITTLE BIT OF UNUSED ACREAGE IN WEST PARK THAT COULD SUPPORT IT. WE WANT MORE FEEDBACK BEFORE WE DO THAT. WE BELIEVE THERE MIGHT BE A LOCATION THERE. IT WAS INCORPORATED WITHIN THE MOST CURRENT MASTER PLAN THERE COULD BE ONE THERE AND CONSISTENT WITH PREVIOUS INFO WE RECEIVED AND WE ARE LOOKING FOR ADDITIONAL PROPERTY THAT MAY BE APPROPRIATE.

ONE THING WE TRY TO DO WHEN LOOKING FOR A LOCATION OF THE DOG PARK, WE ARE COGNIZANT OF THE FACT THAT NEIGHBORS DON'T WANT THE DOG PARK ON THEIR BOUNDARY.

AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE A GOOD BUFFER TO THE CLOSEST HOMES THERE. AND WE ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE AT LEAST A COUPLE OF ACRES WHICH IS THE MINIMUM SIZE FOR THAT. WE THINK THERE MIGHT BE A LOCATION IN PEST PARK THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE THAT.

THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION. >>JEFF WORRELL: ANY OTHER? THANK YOU. WE WILL LET YOU GO BACK

CONFERENCE OR WHATEVER -- >> FLYING HOME TODAY.

FINISH PACKING AND HOPEFULLY GET ON THE FLIGHT LIKE THE ONE TO PHOENIX IS NOT DELAYED BY FOUR HOURS.

HOPEFULLY THIS EVENING I WILL BE BACK HOME.

>>JEFF WORRELL: OKAY. THANK YOU TO BOTH OF YOU, MICHAEL AND CURTIS. THANK YOU.

WE WILL MOVE ON TO 1401, JACOB QUINN IS GOING TO MAKE THAT PRESENTATION ON BEHALF OF PRESIDENT RIDER.

>> OKAY, THANK YOU. YES, I WORK WITH PRESIDENT RIDER ON THIS. LOOKING AT PERSONAL SERVICES, THE TOP LINE TECHNICALLY ARE ALL PART PART-TIME. THE SAME ADJUSTMENT THAT EVERY DEPARTMENT HAS MADE. DEFERRED COMPENSATION.

THREE OF YOU GAINED ANOTHER YEAR AND 10% GOES UP TO 30%

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ADD TO THE CHAMBER LUNCHEON FEES BECAUSE COST HAVE GONE UP FOR THOSE. OTHER PROFESSIONAL FEES ARE RECORDING FOR THESE MEETINGS. SO THOSE COSTS HAVE -- ACTUALLY IN SPEAKING WITH THE PERSON WHO DOES OUR MEETINGS, HE HAVEN'T HAD A RAISE IN ABOUT 15 YEARS. SO WE SLIGHTLY ADJUSTED THAT UP AND ARE ACCOUNTING FOR AN INCREASE OF BROADCASTING THESE MEETINGS TO THE PUBLIC. THE ONLY INCREASE OF THE BUDGET IS IN PERSONAL SERVICES AND EVERYTHING ELSE WE TRY TO KEEP LEVEL SO HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

>>JEFF WORRELL: CAN YOU ALSO JUST POINT OUT WHERE THE FEES

FOR REDISTRICTING ARE. >> LEGAL FEES.

>> IF YOU LOOK AT THE 2022 BUDGET, IT IS OUT OF LEGAL FEES.

WHERE WE PUT THIS LAST YEAR. SO THAT MONEY IS SITTING THERE

CURRENTLY UNTOUCHED. >>JEFF WORRELL: TELL ME WHAT

LINE. >> 4340000.

YOU CAN SEE IT ON THE BOARD HERE.

$77,000 THIS YEAR. AND WE LOWERED THAT TO ACCOUNT FOR THE INCREASES IN THE OTHER TWO LINE ITEMS FOR NEXT YEAR.

>>JEFF WORRELL: OKAY, ALL RIGHT, VERY GOOD.

OKAY. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE COUNCIL BUDGET? OKAY, COUNCILOR CAMPBELL.

>>LAURA CAMPBELL: NOT A QUESTION OF BUDGET BUT REDISTRICTING.

DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE SCHEDULE IS YET?

>> WE HAVE HAD MEET WITH OUR CONSULTANT, AND WE ARE RIGHT NOW WAITING ON THE DATA TO COME IN TO TELL US WHERE WE ARE AS FAR AS THE LAST CENSUS AND THE POPULATION IN EACH DISTRI.

AS SOON AS WE GET THAT WE WILL MAKE PROPOSALS ON THE DISTRICT.

>>JEFF WORRELL: PRESIDENT RIDER, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING TO THAT -- TO THAT QUESTION.

RIDERIDE IN BETWEEN MY TALKING

-- >> IN BETWEEN MY COUGHING FITS.

HE WILL GIVE ME THE TIME FRAME. I WILL GET THAT OUT ON MONDAY.

>> ON THAT, WHEN IS IT DUE BY BECAUSE WE HAVE FILINGS FOR

COUNCIL POSITION. >> THERE IS A SET TIMELINE.

I DON'T HAVE IT MEMORIZED. I DON'T HAVE IT THERE.

I CAN PULL IT UP. >> DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW, LAUR.

>> GO AHEAD, SUE. >>SUE FINKAM: ONE YEAR FROM THE GENERAL ELECTION NEXT YEAR SO I BELIEVE IT IS NOVEMBER 8.

>>JEFF WORRELL: YEP, WE ARE WORKING ON IT.

WE HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS. AND RIGHT NOW THEY ARE JUST COMPILING THE DATA FOR US. OKAY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS REGARDING THAT? ALL RIGHT, VERY GOOD.

THANK YOU. WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO UTILITIES. WE ARE GOING TO FIRST LOOK AT BUDGET NUMBER 600. MR. DUFFY.

>> THANK YOU, COUNCILOR WORRELL AND GOOD MORNING, COUNCILMEMBERS. START WITH THE WATER BUDGET, OPERATING BUDGET FOR 2023, WE ARE PROJECTING $22.8 MILLION IN REVENUE. 90% OF THE WATER REVENUE COMES FROM SALES OF WATER. APPROXIMATELY 10% COME FROM DAILY FEE REVENUE THAT IS NONRECURRING.

THAT MAY BE A METER INSTALLATION, AN INSPECTION, MISCELLANEOUS FEES. THE WATER REVENUE IS DEPENDENT ON WHETHER IN THE SUMMERTIME, IN PARTICULAR.

WE WILL HAVE FLUCTUATIONS BASED ON WEATHER AND WE HAVE LARGERGATION DEMANDS. 2022 AND 2021, FOR THAT MATTER, IS WHAT I WOULD CALL AVERAGE TO ABOVE AVERAGE YEARS.

SO THAT IS ALWAYS A GOOD THING WHEN YOU HAVE A SYSTEM THAT YOU ARE ABLE TO USE THAT SYSTEM AND PRODUCE THE REVENUE.

AND, OF COURSE, MEET THE DEMAND. THE -- WHAT I HAVE SEEN PARTICULARLY IN 2022 IS DURING COVID OR THE HEIGHT OF COVID, COMMERCIAL REVENUE WAS OFF BY ROUGHLY 17%.

BUT IT WAS MADE UP BY RESIDENTIAL REVENUE.

UP 17% AND BALANCED OUT. WE ARE PRETTY MUCH BACK TO

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6% TO 7% COMMERCIAL. GROWTH CONTINUES TO BE STRONG.

WE CURRENTLY HAVE 32,000 WATER CUSTOMERS.

WE ADDED 400 TO 500 THIS YEAR. HARD TO PREDICT THE ECONOMY FULLY, BUT THERE IS CERTAINLY DEVELOPMENT OUT THERE THAT COULD YIELD ANOTHER $400,000 TO $500,000 IN 2023.

-- 400 TO 500 IN 2023. WATER REVENUE IS STRONG.

MULTIFAMILY IS GOOD. IT IS VERY STABLE CUSTOMER.

SOMETHING YOU CAN DEPEND ON MONTH TO MONTH NOT DEPENDING ON IRRIGATION. WE MIKE MULTIFAMILIES.

WE LIKE ALL CUSTOMERS, BUT MULTIFAMILY APARTMENTS ARE STABLE CUSTOMERS. THE EXPENSE SIDE -- OH, I AM SORRY, REVENUE PROJECTIONS FOR 2023 ARE BASED ON 3% INCREASE THAT THE COUNCIL HAD PREVIOUSLY APPROVED.

IT IS AN AUTOMATIC #% YEARLY INCREASE.

ADDITION -- 3% YEARLY INCREASE. ADDITIONAL 1% IN GROWTH AND 1% DUE OUR METER CHANGEOUT PROGRAM. METER CHANGEOUT PROGRAM IS GOING WELL. THE 1% PROJECTED INCREASE OF REVENUE FROM IT IS VERY CONSERVATIVE I DID THAT INTENTIONALLY HAD HELP BALANCE THE UNKNOWNS WITH THE WEATHER.

WE APPROACHING 18,000 METERS CHANGED OUT AFTER APPROXIMATELY 27,000 OVERALL. WE ARE GETTING THERE.

AND HOPEFULLY WE WILL BE DONE FIRST QUARTER OF NEXT YEAR.

WE HAVE HAD, YOU KNOW, SOME MINOR ISSUES.

BUT OVER ALL, I THINK IT HAS GONE VERY WELL AND STARTING TO SEE THE POSITIVE IMPACTS ON THE REVENUE SIDE.

IT CAN TAKE A LITTLE TIME, BUT WE ARE STARTING TO SEE INCREASES AGAIN DUE TO SIMPLY CHANGING OUT A METER THAT WAS RUNNING SLOW A LOT OF OUR METERS REALLY AGED. THAT PROJECT IS GOING WELL.

FROM AN EXPENSE SIDE, THE WATER BUDGET IS UP 5%.

WE HAVE SEEN INFLATION -- WORCESTER WORRELL JACOB, WILL YOU PULL THAT DOWN PLEASE SO WE CAN SEE THE EXPENSES. WORRELL JU PULL THAT DOWN PLEASE SO WE CAN SEE THE EXPENSES. WORRELL JACOB PULL THAT DOWN PLEASE SO WE CAN SEE THE EXPENSES. WORRELL JACOB PULL THAT DOWN PLEASE SO WE CAN SEE THE WORRELL JACOB, WILL YOU PULL THAT DOWN PLEASE SO WE CAN SEE THE WORRELL JACOB, WILL YOU PULL THAT DOWN PLEASE SO WE CAN SEE THE WORRELL JACOB, WILL YOUL THAT DOWN PLEASE SO WE CAN SEE THE EXPENSES. WORRELL JACOB, WI THAT DOWN PLEASE SO WE CAN SEE THE EXWORRELL JACOB, WILL YOU P THAT DOWN PLEASE SO WE CAN SEE THE EXPENSES. ORRELL JACOB, WIL THAT DOWN PLEASE SO WE CAN SEE THE EXPENSES. >WORRELL JACOB, W THAT DOWN PLEASE SO WE CAN SEE THE EX>WORRELL JACOB, WILL YOU

THAT DOWN PLEASE SO WE CAN SEE THE EXPENSES. >> WORRELL JACOB, WILL YOU PULL THAT DOWN PLEASE SO WE CAN SEE THE EXPENSES. : JACOB, WILL YO THAT DOWN PLEASE SO WE CAN SEE THE EXPENSES. WE HAVE SEE HIGH OF PRICES.

THE WATER USES CHEMICALS, REPAIR PARTS.

A REPAIR CRAMP WE HAVE SEEN A 20% INCREASE IN THAT.

IT IS STABILIZING AND WE HOPE THAT IT MAY COME DOWN SOME IN 2023 BUTCH AT LEAST STABILIZING AND BECOMING MORE AVAILABLE AS WELL. DURING COVID STOPPED US ON REPAIR PARTS. DIDN'T HIT US THAT HARD ON GETTING MATERIAL, BUT INFLATION WAS MORE OF AN ISSUE AND CONTINUES TO BE AN ISSUE THAT IS SOMEWHAT UNPRECEDENTED IN MY TIME HERE. WE CERTAINLY HAVE SEEN INFLATION, BUT NOT LIKE WE HAVE SEEN THIS YEAR.

WE HAVE 60 FULL-TIME POSITIONS ON THE WATER SIDE.

OUR SALARIES AND BENEFITS HAVE REMAINED STABLE.

WE HAD SOME ATTRITION ON THE WATER SIDE.

AND IT IS ALLOWED TO READILY ABSORB THE SALARY INCREASE THAT WE ARE -- WE HAVE BUDGETED FOR IN 2023.

YOU KNOW, OUR BIGGEST EXPENSES ON THE IN BOTH UTILITIES IS PEOPLE, POWER. THOSE ARE THE TWO BIG ONES.

AND WE HAVE, OF COURSE, ALL OUR MATERIAL EXPENSE.

THERE IS NO -- NO SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN ANY ONE CATEGORY.

AGAIN, WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO REMAIN STABLE.

YOU KNOW, THROUGH COVID ACTUALLY, WE -- YOU KNOW, WE -- EVERYBODY WAS ALWAYS WORK DURING COVID, AND WE -- WE MAINTAINED

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WE HAD AN INTENSE PERIOD IN JUNE AND JULY.

WE CONTINUE TO STAY ON TOP OF THINGS.

STAY ON TOP OF THE GROWTH AND MAINTENANCE.

AND I ALWAYS HAVE AN EYE ON THE FUTURE WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN NEXT. SO I WILL OPEN IT UP TO

QUESTIONS. >>JEFF WORRELL: SURE.

WE WILL START WITH QUESTIONS. OKAY, COUNCILOR AASEN.

>>ADAM AASEN: THANK YOU. I HAVE A QUESTION FROM A CONSTIUENT WHO TEXTED AND ARE WATCHING.

THEY ARE ASKING THIS BECAUSE THEY ARE CONCERNED HOW MUCH WE SPEND ON IRRIGATION AS A PERCENTAGE COMPARED TO OTHER CITIES IN CENTRAL INDIANA. SO THE QUESTION IS, WOULD THE CITY CONSIDER TAPPING INTO AGGREGATE QUARRIES AS A WATER SOURCE FOR IRRITATION WHEN AND IF THAT LAND TRANSITION TO

CITY-OWNED LAND. >> THAT IS AN INTERESTING QUESTION. THE -- IF THEY ARE REFERRING TO THE QUARRY ON 96 AND HAZEL DALE, THAT ACTUALLY -- WHEN THEY ARE DONE THERE AND NOBODY KNOWS WHEN THEY WILL BE DONE FOR SURE, THAT THE PIT, THE MINE WILL FILL UP WITH WATER.

AND WE HAVE DONE ESTIMATES THAT WHEN THAT HAPPENS, IT COULD SUPPLY ALL OF CARMEL'S DEMAND FOR A YEAR.

IT WOULD BE A HUGE SOURCE OF WATER.

I WOULD SAY THAT NOT NECESSARILY JUST FOR IRRIGATION, BUT FOR THE CITY'S NEEDS IN GENERAL IN THE FUTURE.

THERE HAS BEEN SOME LIGHT DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT, BUT NOTHING FORMAL. CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE HAVE LOOKED AT AS A STRONG POSSIBILITY.

WE GET QUESTIONS OFTEN ABOUT USING -- NOT TREATED WATER FOR IRRIGATION BUT PULLING FROM A LAKE OR PULLING FROM A POND.

THOSE ARE VERY GOOD QUESTIONS. THE -- THE CHALLENGE WITH THAT, THOUGH, EVEN IF YOU ARE PULLING WATER FROM LET'S JUST SAY A LAKE AT 106 AND HAZEL DALE WHERE MARTIN MARIETTA HAS A OPERATION, YOU HAVE TO CONVEY IT AND CONVEY IT TO THE WEST SIDE PUMPING KANSASES AND PUMPING WOULD HAVE TO BE SIZED APPROPRIATELY TO GET IT THERE. NOT AS SIMPLE THAT WE ARE GOING TO PULL OUT OF THAT LAKE. SO THERE IS A GOOD QUESTION AND WE ENDORSE IN CERTAIN SUBDIVISIONS IF THE HOA WANTS TO PULL OUT OF THE RETENTION POND, WE SUPPORT THAT.

>> WHAT YOUR CONSTITUENT MAY BE REFERRING TO IN DRIER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY WHERE WATER IS AT A PREMIUM, THERE HAVE BEEN SEPARATE SYSTEM OF PIPES BUILT TO CONVEY WHAT IS CALLED "GRAY WATER" OR NONPOTABLE, NONDRINKING WATER FOR IRRIGATION PURPOSES. IT IS REALLY -- IT GETS REALLY, REALLY EXPENSIVE TO HAVE TWO SETS OF TOWERS AND TWO SETS OF PIPING THROUGHOUT THE CITY. MAYBE IF THEY LIVED IN A PLACE LIKE THAT, THEY MAY BE FAMILIAR WITH THAT.

THE -- I DON'T THINK WE -- THE OTHER ISSUE IS, YOU KNOW, ALL OF OUR WATER CURRENTLY COMES FROM UNDERGROUND AQUIFERS AND WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IS WE USE THE PITS TO BECOME SURFACE WATER.

AND YOU CAN SPEAK TO THAT, JOHN, BUT TREATMENT COSTS DO GO UP -- ONE OF ADVANTAGES OF OUR CITIZENS WATER IS THAT THEY USE QUITE A BIT OF SURFACE WATER FROM GEIST AND MORRIS AND EAGLE CREEK. THE CANAL, THE BROAD RIPPLE

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>> YES, THAT'S CORRECT. WE ARE 100% GROUNDWATER, TREATING SURFACE WATER IS CLEARLY MORE EXPENSIVE.

WITH THAT SAID, WHEN WE BUILT WATER PLANT 1 AT 106TH AND GRAY ROAD, THE PLAN WAS BUILT AND PUT ON LINE IN 2012 IT WAS DESIGNED TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE SURFACE WATER ONE DAY IN TERMS OF RETENTION. SOME OF OUR WELLS IN THE AREA IS UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF SERVICE WATER.

VERY, VERY PRODUCTIVE WELLS AND GET ININFLUENTIALSED BY THE RIVER AND VERY PRODUCTIVE. WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO TREAT THAT IF AND WHEN THAT EVER DID HAPPEN.

WE PREFER GROUNDWATER. IT'S EASIER AND LESS EXPENSIVE.

>> ON THE BAD DEBT EXPENSE, YOU ACTUALLY HAVE A SYSTEM IN PLACE WHERE LANDLORDS ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE ARE RESPONSIBLE.

SO CAN I ASSUME THE BAD DEBT -- THAT IF WE HAVE BAD DEBT, AND I HAVE A FOLLOW-UP TO MY QUESTION, IS THAT IT IS RESIDENTIAL.

>> YES, I WOULD SAY 99.8%. OCCASIONALLY DURING COVID, WE WORK WITH PEOPLE AND YOU GET -- PERHAPS A RESTAURANT OR A BUSINESS. BUT IT IS ALMOST ENTIRELY

RESIDENTIAL. >>ADAM AASEN: WEREN'T WE WORKING WITH LEGAL TO GET AFTER MORE OF THAT.

IS THAT STILL HAPPENING OR NOT --

>> YES, LEGAL IS ASSISTING US WITH COLLECTION EFFORTS AND AN ONGOING PROCESS. I WOULD ADD THAT IN CARMEL, WE ARE FORTUNATE THAT OUR BAD DEBT EXPENSE IS VERY LOW BY COMPARISON TO OTHER UTILITIES. BUT IT DOES HAPPEN.

>>JEFF WORRELL: VERY GOOD. THANK YOU.

COUNCILOR GREEN? >>TONY GREEN: THANK YOU.

I HAVE KIND OF A QUESTION AND THE SAME TYPE OF QUESTION FOR SEWER. YOU CAN ANSWER IT NOW OR ANSWER IT WHEN WE GET TO THE NEXT STEP. BUT -- BUT THE QUESTION I HAVE IS, YOU KNOW, OUR CAPACITY. WE HAVE BEEN TALKING OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN A LOT. 10, 20, 30, 40, 50,000 MORE PEOPLE. WHAT CAN WE ANTICIPATE WITH 10,000, 20,000, 30,000, 40,000, 50,000 MORE PEOPLE.

HOW WILL THAT IMPACT THE BUDGET GOING FORWARD.

>> SURE, ON WATER SIDE WE HAVE WELL CAPACITY RIGHT NOW IN EXCESS OF 34 MILLION GALLONS A DAY, WHICH ON AN AVERAGE DAY RIGHT NOW WE ARE AT -- WE WILL SAY 8 MILLION IN THE SUMMERTIME.

WE WILL GO TO 24, 25 MILLION. IN THE FUTURE, WE HAVE MORE THAN ENOUGH RIGHT NOW FOR THE AVERAGE DAY, WHICH WE ARE PROJECTING TO BE MORE. IN THE 10 MILLION TO 12 MILLION GALLONS A DAY AREA WITH SUMMERTIME PEEKS LIKELY APPROACHING 30 MILLION AT SOME POINT. SO ONE COULD SAY THAT WE HAVE IT RIGHT NOW, BUT THEN YOU HAVE TO BUILD REDUNDANCY AS WELL.

SO WE HAVE PLANS FOR WE HAVE LOCATIONS FOR THREE ADDITIONAL WELLS THAT WILL PRODUCE 5,000 TO 6,000 GALLONS PER MINUTE OR ROUGHLY SIX TO SEVEN MILLION GALLONS A DAY.

YOU ALWAYS HAVE CAPACITY, CONVEYANCE ISSUES AND YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU CAN CONVEY THAT WATER.

TREATMENT-WISE, WE ARE REALLY IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE.

WE HAVE -- AGAIN, WE CAN TREAT 36 MILLION GALLONS A DAY WITH THE ABILITY TO TREAT MORE THAN THAT IN A PEEK HOUR.

THE WASTEWATER SIDE, WE HAVE EXPAND THE WASTEWATER PLANT FOR 14 MILLION BEGAN LONS A DAY. THAT -- GALLONS A DAY.

THAT IS DONE AND SHOULD LAST 25 TO 35 YEARS WHICH SHOULD BE ENOUGH TO BUILD OUT. THAT WILL DEPEND ON HOW THE CITY GROWS. WE ARE -- ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WE DO HAVE REGARDING THE -- YOU KNOW, THE FUTURE OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.

CARMEL HAS BEEN SERVED VERY WELL WITH A NETWORK OF PIPES WE HAVE

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AND UP TO MAIN STREET. THERE WILL BE SOME UPSIZING IN PIPES THAT WILL BE NEEDED TO CONVEY A TOWN TO PLANT.

I WOULD SAY THAT UP-SIZING WILL BE NEEDED WITHIN THE NEXT FIVE TO 15 YEARS DEPENDING ON HOW THE COMMUNITY GROWS.

ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT UTILITIES FACE IS YOU GOT TO BE ABLE TO STAY AHEAD OF IT AND HAVE A PLAN.

YOU DON'T WANT TO BE BUILDING IT AS IT IS HAPPENING.

YOU DON'T WANT. YOU CANNOT BE.

YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO CONVEY THAT FLOW AND I THINK TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WE DO HAVE A PLAN.

WE ARE IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE RIGHT NOW.

IT WEARS WATCHING FOR SURE. I KEEP PRETTY CLOSE CONTACT ON DEVELOPMENT AS IT IS HAPPENING OR AS IT MAY HAPPEN.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU IN THE HOME PLACE AREA ANDING THE LINES ESTABLISHED SO IF THEY WANT TO HOOK UP, THEY CAN.

>>JEFF WORRELL: INNER LOOP COUNCILLOR HANNON.

>>TIM HANNON: THANK YOU. YOUR DEPARTMENT HAS DONE A GREAT JOB. UNSUNG HEROES.

YOU HEARD ME ONCE OR TWICE USING AS AN EXAMPLE THE SMART METERS AS REALLY A GREAT WAY AS AN EXAMPLE TO THE CITY AND OTHER DEPARTMENTS IS THAT THIRD DEGREE FOLLOWING THIS, YOU BROUGHT TO US WITH THE BUSINESS CASE THAT YOU ARE NOW ACTUALLY IMPROVING.

AND AN INVESTMENT THAT IN THE LONG RUN SERVES CUSTOMERS BETTER AND STEWARDSHIP AND I COMMEND YOU FOR THAT AND ENCOURAGE TO YOU LOOK FOR ALL DEPARTMENTS TO LOOK FOR SIMILAR THINGS.

QUESTION REGARDING CAPACITY AS IT RELATES TO WEST FIELD.

WEST FIELD UNDERSTANDABLY IS GROWING LIKE GANGBUSTERS.

UTILITY SERVES WESTFIELD TO SOME EX-PENT.

WATER OR WASTEWATER AND HOW DOES IT IMPACT?

>> JUST WASTEWATER. WE HAD A WHOLE SALE TREATMENT AGREEMENT WITH WESTFIELD WHICH IS CITIZENS WESTFIELD SINCE THE 80S. THEY CAN DISCHARGE.

1.89 MILLION GALLONS A DAY TO OUR PLANT THAT IS CURRENTLY AT ABOUT 1.4 MILLION. WE TALKED TO WEST FIELD SEVEN, EIGHT YEARS AGO ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF ADDITIONAL CAPACITY. THEY DETERMINED AT SOME POINT THAT THEY ARE GOING TO BUILD OR EXPAND THEIR OWN FACILITY WHICH IS ON THEIR WEST SIDE NEAR EAGLE CREEK.

AND THEY HAVE DONE SO. SO WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH THEM TO TREAT 1.9 MILLION GALLONS A DAY.

THEY WILL USE THAT OVER THE NEXT TEN YEARS BASED ON THEIR OWN GROWTH. I THINK TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THAT CAPACITY HAS BEEN ACCOUNTED FOR.

AND IT IS -- I DON'T SEE IT CHANGING.

I DON'T SEE THEM BE ABLE TO SUDDENLY -- THEY COULD, BUT IT WILL BE EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE TO REROUTE THAT FLOW TO THEIR PLANT. THAT AGREEMENT, AS LONG AS BOTH PARTIES ARE SATISFIED WITH IT, WILL LIKELY STAY IN PLACE.

>>TIM HANNON: THE LAST TO FOLLOW-UP ON WATER CONSERVATION FOR IRRIGATION. I MOVED HERE FROM SAN DIEGO YEARS AGO, SO I AM A LITTLE MORE WATER CONSCIOUS MAYBE THAN MOST PEOPLE WHO HAVE LIVED IN THE MIDWEST.

AS THE MAYOR POINTED OUT, THE NONPOTABLE WATER, RECYCLING IS DONE ROUTINELY IN THOSE AREAS BUT, AGAIN, DIFFICULT TO ESTABLISH. I'M MORE OF HOW DO WE BETTER CONSERVE WHAT WE HAVE AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STRIKES ME AS ODD AND THE INSERTS IN THE WATER BILL ARE ONGOING THINGS IN THE CITY AND WATER TIPS OF HOW TO BE WATER WISE.

SO I READ THE STUFF THAT I HAVE BEEN PRACTICING FOR A LONG TIME, ONLY WATER ONCE OR TWICE A WEEK. WATER AT 5 A.M.

DON'T LET IT RUNOFF. I SEE ON CITY PROPERTIES REGULARLY SPRINKLERS RUNNING DURING THE DAY, RUNNING IN THE RAIN, RUNNING OFF IN THE CONCRETE.

I GUESS MY QUESTION NOT FOR YOU BUT PERHAPS FOR THE MAYOR IS, HOW DO WE AS A CITY PRACTICE WHAT WE PREACH.

WHO OWNS THAT SO WE CAN DEMONSTRATE GOOD STEWARDSHIP AS WELL AND COULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD LOOK AT IN THE CLIMATE

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ROUNDABOUT OR WHATEVER. >> I WILL DEFER THAT AND DO SOME

RESEARCH. >>TIM HANNON: THANK YOU.

>>JEFF WORRELL: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO 60 601.

>> FOR THE WASTEWATER UTILITY BUD BUDGET, WE ARE PROJECTING $12.4 MILLION IN REVENUE.

AGAIN, THAT REVENUE IS BASED ON 3% ANNUAL COST OF LIVING INCREASE. AND 1% GROWTH.

A AND THE UTILITY BENEFITS FROM THE MERE CHANGE-OUT PROGRAM BECAUSE -- BECAUSE THEIR SEWER BILL ARE BASED ON WATER CONSUMPTION AS WELL.

WE HAVE -- SEWER UTILITY IS DOING WELL.

WE HAD A -- SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF RETIREES WHERE SIX LONG-TERM EMPLOYEES RETIRED. AND THREE OR FOUR OF THOSE -- THREE OF THOSE WERE MANAGEMENT POSI POSITIONS. WE HAVE -- WE FILLED THOSE POSITION FROM WITHIN, BUT WE -- WE HAVE MAINTAINED THOSE OPEN POSITIONS WITHIN THE BUDGET AND ARE LOOKING AT -- AT SOME REPLACEMENT OF THOSE POSITIONS NOW.

SO THAT -- THE WASTEWATER BUDGET IS UP 5%.

THE BULK OF THAT ARE EMPLOYEES. WE ARE NOT CERTAIN FOR SURE YET HOW WE WILL FILL THOSE POSITIONS, BUT WE WANTED TO BUDGET ACCORDINGLY FOR THEM. THE OTHER NOTABLE INCREASE IN THE WASTEWATER BUDGET IS WITH CHEMICALS.

WE -- WE ARE MEETING OUR NEW WASTEWATER PERMIT FOR FOR FOR RUSS THROUGH THE BIOLOGICAL PROCESS WE ARE USING.

HOWEVER, WE HAVE TO HAVE CHEMICAL IN PLACE.

IF WE CAN'T MEET THAT, WE -- WE USED $185,000 -- WE ARE PROJECTING TO USE THAT IN 2022. BUT WE NEED TO HAVE A BUDGET IN PLACE IN THE EVENT OF UNKNOWNS. SO WE HAVE A $300,000 BUDGETED FOR THAT. THE -- THE WASTEWATER UTILITY AS I SAID EARLIER IS -- THE PLANT IS IN REAL GOOD SHAPE.

IT HAS BEEN EXPANDED. WE HAVE 45 EMPLOYEES THAT DO A REALLY GOOD JOB. WE HAVE 11 CERTIFIED OPERATORS AT THE PLANT. SIMILAR COMMENTS ON THE WATER SIDE RELATED TO GROWTH, SAME TYPE OF -- THE MULTIFAMILY THAT I MENTIONED. A LOT OF THAT IS IN OUR SEWER AREA WHICH IS. THE SEWER ACTIVITIES GOT STAGNANT WITH GROWTH AND WE HAVE SEEN AN UPTICK IN THAT WHICH IS -- WHICH IS GREAT AS FAR AS REVENUES ARE CONCERNED.

I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD OTHER THAN THAT.

THINGS ARE STABLE. YET STABLE, BUT ALWAYS WORKING ON MAKING SURE WE MAINTAIN THINGS PROPERLY.

>>JEFF WORRELL: OKAY. DO YOU HAVE AN ADDITIONAL REPORT

FOR 651. >> YES, THANK YOU.

I DID WANT TO MENTION THAT ON OCTOBER 3, WE ARE GOING TO BE INTRODUCING A WASTEWATER TO CITY COUNCIL.

THREE COMPONENTS. ONE IS TO UPGRADE AND EXPAND OUR 106TH STREET LIFT STATION AT 106TH AND HAZELDALE.

CLOSE TO THE RIVER, THAT LIFT STATION HAS BEEN ONLINE SINCE THE '80S. IT -- TAMPA HAS PUMPING CAPACITY OF 27 MILLION. UPGRADES NEEDED TO IT THAT ARE BOTH CAPACITY AND REPLACEMENT A CORE PIECE OF INFRASTRUCTURE.

OUR STRATEGY IS TO INCLUDE. THE NEXT PIECE OF CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE UPSTREAM. SO THAT IS A -- OF THE 10.5 MILLION PROJECT, THAT IS $4.5 MILLION AND THE NEXT IS $3

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WE HAVE GOTTEN QUESTIONS OF THE REUSE OF OUR GAS FOR YEARS.

IT IS SOMETHING THE MAYOR HAS ALWAYS PUSHED TO -- TO SEE IF WHAT WE CAN DO WITH THAT GAS. WE ARE CURRENTLY REUSING ABOUT 50% OF THE GAS IN THE SLUDGE TREATMENT PROCESS WHICH IS GREAT. BUT WE HAVE NEVER REALLY COME TO A POINT OF BEING ABLE TO REUSE THE PAL OF IT.

MAINLY DUE TO COST. TO CLEAN IT UP.

THE GAS IS -- IS DIRTY. IT IS NOT PIPELINE QUALITY.

AS THINGS HAVE EVOLVED, AND THE CARBON CREDIT AND THE -- THE MARKETPLACE FOR RENEWABLE NATURAL GAS HAS EXPANDED GRAEL THERE IS VALUE THERE NOW. WE HAVE BEEN APPROACHED BY LOCAL GAS COMPANIES THAT WOULD LIKE -- ACTUALLY WANT OUR BIO GAS IF IT IS CLEANED UP. AND THERE ARE CARBON CREDITS THAT THE UTILITY OR THE CITY WILL BE ELIGIBLE FOR.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, WHAT HAS HAPPENED MORE RECENTLY THAT MAKES THE PROJECT EVEN MORE DOABLE FINANCIALLY AND EVEN MORE THAT WE NEED TO DO THIS IS THE INFLATION REDUCTION ACT.

THERE IS A VERY REAL POTENTIAL. NOT A MAYBE, IT IS MORE JUMPING THROUGH HOOPS BUT A REAL POTENTIAL OR REAL LIKELIHOOD WE WILL GET A 30% REBATE ON THAT PIECE OF THE PROJECT, MEANING IF IT IS $30 MILLION, 30 BACK IN THE FORM OF A CHECK ONCE EVERYTHING IS DONE. WE WILL BE HOOPS TO JUMP THROUGH, BUT WELL WORTH THAT TIME AND EFFORT.

SO I SEE THIS AS A WIN-WIN. IT'S -- IT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE ARE FLARING OFF A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF GAS INTO THE ATMOSPHERE. IT IS THE FACT.

WE ALWAYS HAVE. AND YOU WILL SEE MORE AND MORE WASTEWATER PLANTS WILL BE GOING DOWN THE ROAD THAT WE ARE GOING DOWN. IT ALREADY IS OCCURRING.

AND IN OUR CASE IT APPEARS IT IS WORTH THE RATE AND WE CAN'T REALLY CLEAN THE GAS UP UNTIL WE REPLACE THE PIPING AND KIND OF A COMBINED PROJECT. SO IT'S A -- THE LIFT STATION IS VERY MUCH NUTS AND BOLTS. SAFETY ISSUES HERE AND THE BACK END OF ALL THAT IS IS THE -- BEING ABLE TO USE THAT BIO GAS BENEFICIALLY AND PRETTY EXCITED ABOUT IT, THE POSSIBILITIES.

>> JOHN, IT IS EXCITING AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE EXCITEMENT YOU ARE EXUDING ABOUT BIO GAS, YEAH.

YOU ARE MAKING A VERY INTERESTING SUBJECT AND CONGRATULATION TO YOUR DEPARTMENT FOR BEING READY TO GO AND BEING ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE OPPORTUNITY.

SO THAT IS EXCITING. COUNCILOR NELSON.

>>MILES NELSON: I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH DIRECTOR AND MR. MAYOR, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT HAD YOU GUY HAVE BEEN WORKING ON FOR A LONG TIME. IT IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR THE COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY OUR YOUNGER GENERATION.

AND I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU. IT IS VERY EXCITING AND THANK YOU FOR BEING ON THE CUTTING EDGE OF THIS.

>>JEFF WORRELL: ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO REPORT ON? THANK YOU FOR UPDATING ON THE POTENTIAL BOND.

THE BOND AMOUNT WILL BE 12 MILLION?

>> THE BOND IS NOT TO EXCEED 12 MILLION.

PROJECT'S ESTIMATES ARE 10.5. >>JEFF WORRELL: THAT WILL BE

COMING TO US IN OCTOBER. >> YES, SIR.

>>JEFF WORRELL: VERY GOOD. ARE YOU GOOD.

>> I AM GOOD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT. >>JEFF WORRELL: NEXT UP.

WHO NEEDS A BREAK. WE WILL TAKE -- WE WILL TAKE A

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>> DO WE WANT TO DO 2200 FIRST? >>JEFF WORRELL: WHATEVER HE HAS

GOT UP THERE. >> JEREMY CASHMAN.

DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING. OUR 2200 FUND WHICH IS THE CITY ENGINEER'S OFFICE, WE SEE THIS YEAR A ROUGHLY CHANGE.

150% CHANGE IN OUR PERSONNEL LINE.

CURRENTLY WE ARE FULLY STAFFED. OUR OFFICE IS 15.

OVER THE LAST YEAR WE HAD TWO CHANGES IN THE OFFICE WITH OUR IT SHALL TWO INFRASTRUCTURE INSPECTORS THAT LEFT.

AND THEN WE REPLACED THEM WITH TWO -- WITH ONE EMPLOYEE FROM -- FROM WATER AND FROM EMPLOYEE FROM WASTEWATER.

SO ONE OF THE MAJOR CHANGES THERE WAS TO OUR BUDGET IS THEIR LONGEVITY WAS LONGER THAN THE TWO THAT WE REPLACED.

AND THEN IN OUR BUDGET, WE ALSO ALLOWED FOR IN INCREASE IN OUR PART-TIME LINE. WE HAVE SUCCESS OVER THE LAST THREE TO FOUR YEARS WITH COLLEGE INTERNS AND A PROGRAM THAT HAS DONE VERY WELL FOR US. FROM A PERSONAL DIDN'T, THE TOUGHEST INTERNSHIP ALWAYS TO GET IS THE FIRST ONE, SO WE LIKE TO CATER TO STUDENTS WHO HAVE JUST COME OUT OF THEIR FRESHMAN YEAR IN COLLEGE, GIVE THEM THAT FIRST CHANCE AND HAD REALLY GOOD SUCCESS. ONE EMPLOYEE PAID FOR THEMSELVES GOING THROUGH SOME THINGS FOR OUR UTILITY BILLS.

SO WE INCREASED THE HOURLY RATE FOR THAT COMP PLAN, LOOKING FOR EMPLOYEE TO PUT MORE MONEY INTO DEFERRED COMPS.

MORE MATCH WENT UP. AND FROM OF A PERSONNEL SERVICES LINE WHERE THOSE ADJUSTED A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THE COLA LINES. ON THE SUPPLY LINES, WE HAVE BEEN USING A LOT MORE FUEL -- NOT A LOT MORE FUEL BUT THE COST INCREASE OF FUEL SO BUDGETED INCREASE IN THAT.

I THINK FUEL PRICE HAVE COME DOWN SOME, BUT AT THE TIME WE WERE PUTTING OUR BUDGET TOGETHER, WE WERE A LITTLE WORRIED LOOK TO NEXT YEAR. ON THAT, WE ARE LOOK TO -- WE HAVE SOME FLEET VEHICLES THAT WE ARE GOING TO REPLACE THIS YEAR.

AND WE DID GO WITH A HYBRID OPTION AND WE WILL GET MORE FUEL EFFICIENCY. WE PLACE AN ORDER FOR THREE HYBRID VEHICLES TO GET MORE THAN USED CURRENTLY.

AND OUR SERVICES LINE, WE ADDED JUST A LITTLE BIT OF INCREASE IN EXTERNAL TRAINING AND TRAVEL LINE.

AND THEN WE ACTUALLY HAD A 15% DECREASE IN OUR SOFTWARE MAINTENANCE LINE AND PREVIOUSLY BUDGETING MONEY TO SPLIT THE COST OF OUR CITY WORKS SOFTWARE BUT THE I.T. DEPARTMENT IS TAKING THAT OVER ON THEIR OWN SO WE DECREASED OUR LINE ITEM FOR

THAT THAT IS.IT FOR FUND # 200. >>JEFF WORRELL: ALL RIGHT.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING 2200?200.

>>JEFF WORRELL: ALL RIGHT. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS

REGARDING 2200?200. >>JEFF WORRELL: ALL RIGHT.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING 2200?200.

>>JEFF WORRELL: ALL RIGHT. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING 2200? THEN WHAT I AM GOING TO DISCUSS GO THROUGH 202, 203, 211 AND 250, AND WE WILL HOLD OUR QUESTIONS UNTIL THE END IF THERE ARE ANY.

> OKAY. 20 # OUR LOCAL ROAD AND STREET FUND. WE -- WE HAVEN'T REALLY SEEN TOO MUCH OF IT A LITTLE BIT OF INCREASE TO OUR OTHER CONTRACTED SERVICE LINES AND THESE FUNDS COME FROM WORKING WITH KURT KUNROD OF REVENUES AVAILABLE FROM THOSE FUNDING SOURCES.

I THINK THAT IS IT FOR 202. WITH -- REALLY FOR ALL THESE LINE ITEMS, 203 IS THE SAME. THIS ONE IT IS DOWN A LITTLE

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THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE BEEN FUNDING OUR RAPID FLASHING BEACON PURCHASES OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS.

THIS DID WELL IMPLEMENTING THEM AND COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WHEN WE HAD A CHANGE IN THE BUSING SITUATION WITH THE SCHOOL, WE WERE ABLE TO -- WE HAD THE TECHNOLOGY THAT WE WERE ABLE TO VERY QUICKLY IMPLEMENT. SO I THINK THAT HAS BEEN A SUCCESS. SO WE WILL -- THE PLAN IS TO CONTINUE FUNDING PURCHASING MORE OF THAT EQUIPMENT O A YEARLY BASIS OUT OF THIS LINE ITEM. AND THEN WITH FUND 211, THIS WILL BE THE SEAM. WE ARE -- WE ARE UTILIZING THE NUMBERS WE GOT FROM REVENUE FROM KURT KUNROD'S OFFICE.

YOU WANT TO HAVE QUESTIONS BEFORE YOU MOVE ON TO THE

STORMWATER. >>JEFF WORRELL: COUNCILLER

CAMPBELL. >>LAURA CAMPBELL: JEREMY, WITH REGARDS TO THE FLASHING BEACONS, IS THERE A DELAY.

IT HAD BEEN OUT FOR A WHILE. I HEARD THE COMPLAINTS BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS FIXED. JOSH HAD FOLLOWED UP ABOUT A

MONTH AGO. >> I DID DRIVE THERE THE OTHER DAY AND THAT ONE I WILL NEED TO DOUBLE CHECK ON THE STREET DEPARTMENT ON. THAT ONE IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT.

WE USED A COUPLE DIFFERENT TECHNOLOGIES.

WHEN WE IMPLEMENTED THE RURAL ROAD CROSSING, WE USED A LITTLE BIT MORE DECORATIVE POLE TO MOUNT THEM TOO.

THE ONE WE ARE PURCHASING RECENTLY, WE PURCHASED THEM TO BE IMPLEMENT ON A REGULAR STANDARD SIZE SQUARE POST THAT OUR STREET SIGNS ARE ON. ONLY DIFFERENCE SINCE THEY ARE SOLAR WE WILL NEED A TALLER POLE.

THAT ONE WE WILL HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK BECAUSE A BIGGER POLE.

SOME OF THE STREET LIGHTS ARE RUNNING OVER A YEAR LEAD TIME GETTING STREETLIGHTS TO THE.THAT EVEN SOME OF MY FELLOW CITY ENGINEERS COUNTYWIDE HAVE ASKED, IS THERE SOMETHING WE CAN BAND TOGETHER TO DO BECAUSE STARTING TO GET A LITTLE COMPLICATED TO

BUILD PROJECTS. >>JEFF WORRELL: THE STREET DEPARTMENT IS IN THE BACK ROW. ON -- LET ME -- WHILE I GOT MY -- ON 203, THE REVENUE. IS THAT THE FUND WHERE SOMEBODY IS GOING TO DEVELOP A PROPERTY THEY TONIGHT PUT IN A SIDEWALK RIGHT AWAY. WHERE DOES THAT REVENUE COME FR FROM.

>> THAT IS NOT THIS. OUR NONREVERTING FUND.

WHEN A NEW PROJECT COMES IN. WHEN A NEW PROJECT COMES IN, WE LOOK WHAT IS ON OUR THOROUGHFARE PLAN AND NEGOTIATE WITH THE PROJECT WHAT THEY ARE BUILDING VERSUS WHAT THEY ARE NOT BUILDING SO IF THEY COME IN AND ARE BUILDING THE MULTIUSE PATH.

THEY ARE BUILDING THAT, BUT IF THERE ARE OTHER ROAD IMPROVEMENTS, WE MAKE THEM COMPENSATE US FOR THAT.

THAT CAN KIND OF VARY IN SCALE AND VOLUME BUT NORMALLY THEY CAN BE AROUND $30,000 OR SO. WE HAVEN'T TRADITIONALLY BUDGETED THAT YET. WE ARE LETTING THAT FUND GROW A

LITTLE BIT. >>JEFF WORRELL: OKAY, GOT IT.

COUNCILOR HANNON. >>TIM HANNON: DIRECTOR, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. AS YOU KNOW I AM ON ALTERNATE TRANSPORTATION. WE GET A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS OF FILLING IN MULTIUSE PATHWAY, IMPROVING SAFETY.

EVENTUALLY GETTING A VISION ZERO PROGRAM.

OUR NEEDS ARE FILLING IN MULTI USE PATH BAYS, PERHAPS ADDING ONES WITH GREAT SEPARATED CROSSINGS.

WITH ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE DOLLARS, SOME OF THEM SPECIFICALLY TAGGED TO ALTERNATE TRANSPORTATION.

WHAT IS THE CITY DOING -- OR YOUR DEPARTMENT IS DOING TO LOOK AT GRANTS TO HELP FILL IN SOME OF THE GAPS.

>> ARE YOU TALKING OF THE NEW FEDERAL INFRASTRUCTURE DOLLARS?

>>TIM HANNON: YES. >> A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WAYS OF OBTAINING GRANTS. ONE IS THROUGH WORK IN THE MINNEAPOLIS MPO. WE APPLY FOR FEDERAL GRANTS.

THE MOST RECENT -- THE PAST CALL WE RECEIVED FUNDING FOR 106 IN HAZELDALE, ROUNDABOUT. AND WE RECEIVED FUNDING FOR --

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CONGESTION, MITIGATION AND AIR QUALITY AND PATH FROM SPRING MILL TO DITCH. THAT WAS UNDER THE TAP PROGRAM WHICH IS A TRANSPORTATION ENHANCEMENT PROGRAM.

SO WITH THE MPO, WE FOLLOW, THAT IS A REGULAR CALL THAT COMES OUT. AND THEN MOST RECENTLY, WE APPLIED -- THERE WAS A -- THE SS 4 GRANTS WITH THE SAFETY SYSTEMS FOR ALL -- I THINK THAT IS IT. SAFE SYSTEMS FOR ALL.

WE FOLLOW ALL THE FEDERAL GRANTS.

WE WORK WITH OUR CONTACTS IN WASHINGTON.

THEY KEEP US ABREAST OF THOSE AND WE ARE RECEIVING E-MAILS AS WE COME OUT FROM THE GOVERNMENT. WE RECENTLY APPLIED FOR FUNDING THROUGH -- FOR SOME IMPROVEMENTS, ROUND ABOUTS ALONG AAA WAY AND THE MERCHANT SQUARE AND A MULTIUS PATH CONNECTION BETWEEN 116TH STREET AND CARMEL DRIVE.

WITH SOME OF THE NEW -- THE NEW ITEMS THAT YOU HAVE TO INCLUDE IN THOSE GRANTS. I -- I DON'T REALLY FEEL CONFIDENT IN THAT. SOME OF THE DISREGION ROW GRANTS HAVE BEEN HARD TO GET, BUT WE STILL GO AFTER ALL OF THIS THEM.

AND STILL PUT TIME AND EFFORT -- >> IN WASHINGTON D.C. SITTING HERE WHILE JEREMY WAS SPEAKING, ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY OF NOTICE WAS SENT -- FORWARDED ON TO HIM. A DAILY THING.

WE ANALYZE THEM. MANY OF THEM ARE BASED -- NOT ALL THE PROGRAMS BUT BUT MANY OF THE PROGRAMS ARE BASED ON RELATIVE WEALTH OF THE CITY AND AS A RESULT, CARMEL DOESN'T QUALIFY FOR THE VAST MAJORITY, BUT WE LOOK AT EVERY ONE.

AND SEND IT TO THE APPROPRIATE DEPARTMENT.

AND APPLY IF WE BELIEVE IT IS WORTH THE STAFF TIME TO DO SO.

>> AGAIN, I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THAT PART OF VISION ZERO AND ALTERNATE TRANSPORTATION IS THE EQUITY.

IN INDIANAPOLIS, PEDESTRIAN DEATHS LITERALLY EVERY DAY.

PEOPLE ON BIKES AND WALKING KILLED EVERY SINGLE DAY.

MY QUESTION IS -- AND IT SOUNDS LIKE IT IS BEING ANSWERED, ARE WE CONSTANTLY IN THE HUNT FOR THOSE TO AUGMENT WHAT YOU ARE DOING. IN YOUR DEPARTMENT, DIRECTOR CASHMAN. DO YOU HAVE A DESIGNEE? IS IT DAVID LITTLEJOHN. WITH THIS PARTICULAR TIME WITH BUTTIGIEG PUSHING FOR ALTERNATE TRANSPORTATION, I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE CONSTANTLY ON THE LOOKOUT.

>> YEAH, GENERALLY THAT STARTS WITH ME.

AS THEY COME THROUGH. AS THE MAYOR SAYS PASSES THEM ALONG. WE WILL ANALYZE THEM AND KIND OF BRING THE TEAM TOGETHER TO -- TO THIS LAST -- SAYS 4 YOU'LL 4-A GRANT, TO GIVE THE INTERNS AND PULL THAT TOGETHER.

THAT PARTICULAR GRANT WAS SET UP FOR.

YOU CAN APPLY FOR PLANNING GRANTS OR IMPLEMENTATION GRANTS.

THE LEGISLATION SET SO MUCH MONEY ASIDE FROM PLANNING GRANTS. THE MPO ACTUALLY WORKED ON PUTTING TOGETHER THIS OVERALL PLAN FOR THE REGION.

SO WE WERE ABLE TO APPLY FOR THE IMPLEMENTATION PLANT.

MY GOAL WAS THAT FELT LIKE THERE WAS A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WERE NOT PREPARED FOR IMPLEMENTATION PLANT.

AND A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO SLIDE IN BESIDES SOME OF THE OTHER CITIES AROUND THE COUNTRY ARE PREPARED.

>> LASTLY LET EVERYBODY KNOW WHAT THE MPO IS?

>> METROPOLITAN PLANNING ORGANIZATION AS REQUIRED BY FEDERAL TRANSPORTATION LOANS AS A WAY TO DISTRIBUTE THE FEDERAL FUNDS OR COLLECT THE FEDERAL GAS TAX THAT GOES IN THE FEDERAL HIGHWAY TRUST FUND AND DISTRIBUTED TO THE STATES.

A CERTAIN AMOUNT GOES TO MOUNTAIN PLANNING ORGANIZATIONS, THE ACRONYM IS MPO. TWO COMMITTEES, TECHNICAL COMMITTEE WITH JEREMY, HIS DESIGNEE SERVES ON AND THE POLICY COMMITTEE, MAKING THE ACTUAL DECISIONS AS TO WHICH PROJECT -- USUALLY THE COMMITTEE RECOMMENDS AND POLICY COMMITTEE.

AND ELECTED OFFICIAL OR THAT PERSON'S DESIGNEE.

SO ON THE POLICY COMMITTEE FOR THE VOTE, ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE. AND I WILL BE VERY TRANSPARENT ABOUT THIS. WE IN AN OPPORTUNITY A YEAR AND MILLION. PROGRAM THAT WOULD HAVE PROVIDED. YOU HEARD JOHN DUFFY MENTION THAT WE NEEDED THREE OR FOUR MORE WELLS.

WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY THAT WAS A AGAIN TO HAVE THEM FUNDED AS

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WE ARE READY TO GO. AND THE LIST COMES OUT OF ALL THE AWARDED PROJECTS AND IT WAS A GIVEN.

WE ARE NOT ON IT. WITHOUT ANY NOTICE, OUR CONGRESSWOMAN DID NOT AGREE OF SPENDING FEDERAL MONEY SOMETHING AS CONSERVATIVE AS WATER WELLS AND FAILED TO SUPPORT OUR PROJECT. AND THIS HAS BEEN AN ONGOING ISSUE WITH THIS PARTICULAR OFFICE.

I THINK COUNCIL SHOULD UNDERSTAND THAT AND BE AWARE OF I IT.

>> IT COSTS THE TAXPAYERS -- THE $1 MILLION THAT WOULD HAVE GONE TO CARMEL WENT TO OTHER CITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY FOR THEIR PROJECTS AND OURS. THAT MUCH AND FAR MORE OF IT HAD COME FROM THE TAXPAYERS IN CARMEL.

>>JEFF WORRELL: ALL RIGHT. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT, LET'S MOVE ON TO YOUR LAST BUDGET, JEREMY.

>> SO THE -- THE FINAL BUDGET TO LOOK AT IS FUND 250, WHICH OUR NONREVERTING STORMWATER FUND. THIS IS MADE UP OF TWO LINE ITEMS HERE WITH OTHER EXPENSES AND OTHER CONTRACTED SERVICES.

SO THE OTHER EXPENSES ARE WHAT FUNDS THE DEBT SERVICE ON THE BONDS THAT WE PASSED. AND IN 2016.

AND A PORTION -- A SMALL PORTION OF THAT GOES BACK TO REIMBURSE THE MDH FUND FOR TIME THAT MY STAFF AND THE STREET DEPARTMENT SPEND WORKING ON STORMWATER ISSUES.

THE OTHER CONTRACTED LIEN IS FUNDS WE DO TO DO PROJECTS AND OPERATE OUR MS 4 PROGRAM OUT OF. YOU CAN SEE IN 2022, THAT LINE WAS A LITTLE OVER $342,000. BUDGETING FOR $788,000 IN 2023.

HOW THESE NUMBERS REALLY DERIVED WORKED WITH KIRK TO VERIFY THE INVEST KNEW COMING IN FOR THE YEAR, AND THEN WE LOOK AT DEBT SERVICE, AND THEN WHAT -- WHAT THE TRANSFER BACK OVER TO THE MVH FOR SERVICES. AND THAT DELTA IS WHAT WE HAVE TO CONSTRUCT PROJECTS ON. ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS THAT THIS NUMBER IS HIGHER IS THAT IN 2021, WE HAD SEVERAL STORM SYSTEM PROJECTS WE WERE -- STORMWATER PROJECTS WE WERE WORKING ON ONE IN THE SUBDIVISION THAT WAS A PROJECT THAT WE USE SOME COMMUNITY BLOCK GRANT FUNDING FOR AND STORMWATER FUNDS. SO WE GOT THE REIMBURSEMENT FROM THE COMMUNITY BLOCK GRANT FUND AND ALSO UP AT THE -- IF YOU -- IT IS COMPLETED NOW BUT UP AT SMOKEY ROW AND RANGE LINE, WE WERE DOING A STORMWATER PROJECT FOR DUKE ENERGY TO MODIFY THEIR SUBSTATION. THEY PAID US BACK FOR ALL THE SERVICES ON THERE. AT THE TIME THE REFUNDS CAME IN, WE DIDN'T HAVE SOMETHING ELSE READY TO OBLIGATE THEM FOR LAST YEAR, SO WE LET THEM GO BACK INTO THE MONDAY REVERTING FUN AND NOW BUDGETING THEM FOR NEXT YEAR.

>>JEFF WORRELL: OKAY, VERY GOOD. ANYTHING ELSE.

JEREMY, I WILL MENTION THE COMMITTEE MEETING FOR THE BOND THAT WILL LOOK AT YOUR ROAD PROJECTS IS THE 28TH AT 6:00 P.M., FINANCE. AND I HEARD YOU TALK ABOUT 106 IN HAZELDALE. POSSIBLE GRANT -- WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO DISCUSS WHAT THE PLANS ARE, WHAT PROJECTS WILL BE PART OF THE BOND OR MAYBE FUNDED IN SOME OTHER WAYS.

YOU MENTIONED AAA. THEY ARE ON THE LIST, ETC.

WE WANT TO HAVE A GOOD DISCUSSION ON WEDNESDAY.

>> I WILL BE PREPARED. >>JEFF WORRELL: VERY GOOD.

ANYBODY ELSE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

APPRECIATE IT. GOOD JOB.

NEXT IS STREET DEPARTMENT. SHOULD I ASK THEM TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, JEREMY, ON CAMERA? ALL RIGHT, OKAY.

SUPPLY CHAIN. SUPPLY CHAIN.

ALL RIGHT. ACTUALLY COUNCILOR CAMPBELL'S QUESTION. ALL RIGHT.

STREET DEPARTMENT. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

2201. >> GOOD MORNING, YEP, 2201.

OUR MBH FUND. BIGGEST CHANGES THAT YOU WILL SEE -- I AM GOING TO HIGHLIGHT -- WE SPENT SOME TIME GOING OVER

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ON PERSONAL SERVICES, OUR BIGGEST COST -- YOU HAD THE COLA, THE LONGEVITY STEPS AND 3 FOUR INITIAL HIRES.

INSURANCE WAS UP. ALL THAT BASED ON STEPS.

THE -- WE GET INTO OUR SUPPLIES, DIESEL FUEL.

WE ARE SITTING ON ENCUMBERED FUNDS THAT ARE USED TO BALANCE -- COUPLE OF YEARS AGO OUR FLEET SHIFTED MAINLY FROM DIESEL FUEL TO GAS. AND WASN'T ADJUSTED IN THE BUDGET. SO $150000 REDUCTION IN DIESEL.

$120,000 INCREASE IN GASOLINE DUE TO THE INCREASE COST AND USAGE INCREASE OF TIRES OF 5,000.

GARAGE, MOTOR SUPPLIES. SAME.

REDUCTION IN CEMENT, $25,000. SAME WITH MATERIALS.

PAINT, $400. SALT AND CALCIUM, $278,000 REDUCTION. AGAIN TWO-FOLD.

ONE WE HAVE ENCUMBERED FUNDS THAT WE ARE GOING TO UTILIZE, AND, TWO, WE WERE FORTUNATE CARGILL DUE TO THE LACK OF WEATHER LAST YEAR GAVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO NOT HAVE TO FULFILL OUR CONTRACT SO WE HAD A SAVINGS THERE.

SO WE DIDN'T -- NORMALLY WE HAVE TO TAKE DELIVERY OF 80% OF OUR CONTRACT. WE CAN GO UP TO 120.

AND SO THE BALANCE THAT WE HAD ON OUR CONTRACT THEY GAVE US THE OPTION BECAUSE IT WAS A MILD WINTER.

AND TOOLS, EQUIPMENT. INCREASE IN COST.

INCREASED MAINTENANCE SUPPLIES BY $5,000.

TRAFFIC STAYED EVEN. STREET SIGNS WENT UP 10,000.

SAW AN INCREASE IN MEDAL AND STICKERING.

HARDWARE UP 17,000. LANDSCAPING SUPPLIES UP 50.

EXTERNAL TRAINING AND TRAVEL WENT UP 10.

WE ARE TRYING TO GET MORE OF MY STAFF OUT FOR DIFFERENT -- OUR STAFF IS PRETTY MUCH BROKEN UP IN SPECIALIZED AREAS WHETHER IT IS LANDSCAPING. ROAD AND REPAIRS, FLEET MANAGEMENT, STUFF LIKE THAT. WE ARE TRYING TO GET THEM SOME MORE TRAINING THERE. CELLULAR FEES WENT UP $12,000.

AS YOU MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW, ALL OF OUR LABOR AND STAFF OPERATE OFF OF IPADS. WORK FLOW SYSTEMS FLOW THROUGH THAT TECHNOLOGY. IT IS JUST AN INCREASE BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF IPADS WE HAVE AND SOME WE NEED TO REPLACE JUST BECAUSE OF SERVICE. ELECTRICITY WENT UP BY $50,000.

WATER AND SEWER, $53,000. GAS WAS DOWN $10,000.

TRAFFIC LIGHT REPAIRS REDUCED BY $45,000.

WE PROBABLY -- WE ARE GETTING LOWER.

I THINK WE HAVE LESS THAN TEN NOW SIGNALS AND INTERSECTION.

STREETLIGHT REPAIRS WE INCREASED BY $10,000.

BUILDING REPAIRS AND MAINTENANCE WAS AN INCREASE OF 107,000.

WE NEEDED TO ADJUST THAT FOR A WHILE.

ART FACILITY 20 YEARS OLD AND MAINTENANCE THINGS WE NEED TO REPLACE. STREET REPAVING, $4 MILLION.

NOT COMPLETELY ACCURATE. SET IT AT $5 MILLION LAST YEAR.

ARP CONTRIBUTED $3,768,000 TO PAVING.

SO WE WENT UP, 4.75. WE WENT UP TO $5 MILLION PLUS.

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INCREASE IN STREET STRIPE BIG 30,000 DUE TO INCREASED COST OF SERVICE GROUND AT MAINTENANCE. I SKIPPED OVER ONE.

ROAD MAINTENANCE OF PRESERVATION AT 500,000.

THE GOAL WITH THIS IS TO I DISCUSSED WITH SOME OF YOU ASPHALT PRESERVATION AND TREATMENTS PRIOR TO THIS.

WE HAD TO -- EVERYTHING HAD TO COME OUT OF STREET REPAVING.

SO STREET REPAVING WILL BE SOLELY FOR STREET ROAD REPAVING.

OUR PRESERVATION, CRACKED CEILING AND THINGS LIKE THAT WILL COME OUT OF THIS NEW LINE ITEM TO KIND OF KEEP IT SEPA SEPARATE.

OTHER CONTRACTUAL SERVICES WENT UP ALMOST $40,000.

AUTO REPAIRS AND MAINTENANCE, $26,000.

WE TOOK $5,000 OUT OF OUR SOFTWARE MAINTENANCE COUNTIES, OUR UNIFORMS. SAFETY ACCESSORIES, LAUNDRY SERVICE IS ALL UP. DUE TO THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES.

OUR EXTERNAL INSTRUCTION FEES ARE UP.

THAT IS FOR. WE HAVE -- THAT COULD BE PUT NEXT YEAR PROBABLY. WE -- TO GIVE OUR EMPLOYEES SOME OPPORTUNITIES FOR TRAINING A ANYTHING WITH FRED PRYOR THAT ALL OF OUR STAFF HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO ON AND ASSIGN ACROSS THE GAMGAMUT. THAT WAS BEFORE LISA FOUNDED NEO GOV. I HAVE BEEN TALKING TO LISA A BIT AND WILL PURSUE THE NEO GOV WHEN SHE GETS GOING.

INCREASE IN FURNITURE AND FIXTURE, WE NEED TO MAKE SOME IMPROVEMENTS ON SOME OF OUR CHAIRS AND THINGS.

AND A $60,000 INCREASE FOR CARS AND TRUCKS.

IF YOU ACCOUNT FOR THE ARP MONEY AND TAKE OFF PERSONAL SERVICES, THE REST OF OUR BUDGET WENT UP ABOUT 4%.

>>JEFF WORRELL: OKAY, HAVE I GOOD.

I THINK ASAW ADAM FIRST. GO AHEAD, ADAM.

>>ADAM AASEN: THANK YOU. I KNOW IT IS HARD TO ESTIMATE EXACTLY, BUT HOW MANY MILES OF REPAVING DO YOU ANTICIPATE FOR 2023 COMPARED TO MILES OF REPAVING THAT DID YOU IN 2022?

>> I FIGURED YOU WOULD ASK SO I WROTE THAT DOWN.

COST PER LANE MILE WENT UP FROM 21 TO 22.

IT WENT UP ROUGHLY $20,000 PER LANE MILE.

SO SEEMS LIKE THE MARKET IS STARTING TO STABILIZE SOME.

OUR PLAN WITH OUR STREET SCAN TECHNOLOGY AND THAT SYSTEM THAT WE PUT IN PLACE, WE PLAN TO GET OUR BIDS OUT HOPEFULLY IN JANUARY FOR PAVING WHICH WILL HELP GIVE US A BETTER PRICE ACTUALLY. BECAUSE ONCE -- THE LATER IN THE YEAR YOU WAIT, THE BUSIER YOU ARE AND THE HARDER TO GET THEM.

RIGHT NOW WE ARE ANTICIPATING AROUND 50 LANE MILES.

WITH EN SAY LINE MILES, THAT IS 12-FOOT LANE MILE.

>>ADAM AASEN: 50 LANE MILES FOR 2023.

HOW DOES THAT COMPARE WITH '22. >> WE ENDED UP RIGHT AROUND 40.

BECAUSE, AGAIN, OFF OF 22, WE DID THE THIN DECK OVERLAYS ON KEYSTONE. OUT OF THAT 4 BE 7.

THE THIN DECK OVERLAYS, $200,000 AND ANOTHER $250,000 AND WE DID RIGHT AT $4 MILLION IN PAVING THIS YEAR.

>> WE HOPE THAT -- YOU KNOW, ASPHALT, OF COURSE, IS BASED ON PERFORMANCE PRICES. WE HOPE THAT THIS WAR ENDS, PRICES MAY MODERATE A BIT AND GET BETTER BIDS THAT WE ANTICIPATE. NO KNOWS.

IT IS A BIG QUESTION MARK OUT THERE.

>>JEFF WORRELL: COUNCILOR GREEN. >>TONY GREEN: I APPRECIATE THE TIME YOU TAKE WITH US ON COUNCIL.

FINKAM AND I. WE DO DEEP DIVE.

THE $250,000 YOU HAVE FOR REPAVING OF PATHS.

>> YES. >>TONY GREEN: CAN YOU DESCRIBE -- NOT THIS YEAR BUT DOING A STUDY AND MAKE POSSIBLE HOW THAT

LINE ITEM WILL CHANGE NEXT YEAR? >> THE PLAN I HAVE IS -- THE

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PRETTY COME TO NATALIE. SO THE PLAN IS EITHER IF I HAVE ENOUGH, GET THEM UNDER CONTRACT FOR NEXT SPRING.

AND WE HAVE BEEN TALKING TO THEM PROBABLY IN THE MARCH TIME FRAME. THAT WILL GIVE US A BETTER IDEA OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS. SO FAR -- WE HAD A LOT OF TROUBLE GETTING PEOPLE TO BID ON IT IN '21.

FNALLY GOT IT LOCKED IN. ALL THE PATCHWORK HAPPENED THIS YEAR. WE ARE LEARNING A LOT AS WE GO.

A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT ANIMAL EVERY TIME WE DEALT WITH IT, WE ARE PICKING UP CHANGES WE NEED TO MAKE IN THE S PEC AND THE BID TO GET WHAT WE NEED TO GET 35 A MILE FOR THIS LAST BID, PAYMENT REPAIRS, CRACKED CEILING SEALING.

AS YOU GET THE WORST OF THEM DONE, THE CRACKED SALING AND YOUR SEALING CAN BE COST EFFECTIVE.

THAT IS WHERE WE ARE HEADED WITH THAT.

.GET MORE DATA ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE WHERE WE ARE AT

WITH OUR ASSETS. >>TONY GREEN: I APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE SOME OF THE NEWEST COUNSELORS MAY NOT KNOW.

IT IS SINCE I WAS IN THE CITY COUNCIL.

INCORPORATED INTO STREETS. AND A NEW LINE ITEM.

THE MORE PATHS WE WILL HAVE TO PAVE THOSE PATHING.

I SAW NICE MULTIPATH. THEY LOOK REALLY NICE.

THAT WILL BE INCREASING COST THAT COMES AS -- WE NEED TO START MAINTAINING ALL THESE MULTIPATHS THAT WE HAVE.

AND THE OTHER PIECE -- THE OTHER QUESTION I WANTED TO KIND OF THROW OUT. SINCE I HAVE BEEN ON THE COUNCIL, AROUND $4 MILLION TO $5 MILLION HAVE OPINION CONSISTENT REPAVING THE STREET AND I KEEP BEATING THE DRUM WITH THE COUNSELORS. I WILL DO THIS WITH THE CHIEF IN A LITTLE BIT. OUR POPULATION, 10,000, 20,000, 30,000 PEOPLE AND DISCUSSING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

WHAT KIND OF IMPACT OF HAVING TO REPAVE THE STREETS AND ALL THE MILES OF THE STREET. CAN IMPACT 10, 20, 30,000 MORE PEOPLE ON THE STREETS. HOW IS THAT GOING TO IMPACT THE

REPAVING OF THE STREETS? >> A LOT OF INFLUGS OF VISITORS ROAR WHEN YOU HAVE MORE, THAT WILL IMPACT.

TIME WILL TELL AND COST ALSO RISE.

WITH THE NEW TECHNOLOGY, WE WILL START TO BASICALLY SET A BENCHMARK OF WHERE WE WANT TO BE.

AS WE CONTINUE TO DO THE SCANS, THE -- THE AI WILL ACTUALLY START TO PICK UP OUR DEGRADATION AND WHAT OUR NEEDS ARE AND HOW WE GET OUT THERE. THAT IS WHERE WE ARE WORKING.

ALSO -- I THINK INEVITABLY, THE LINE ITEM FOR PRESERVATION AND STUFF LIKE THAT WILL START TO SLEEP UP ONCE WE HAVE A BETTER GRASP WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO GET THE MOST LONGEVITY OUT OF OUR ASPHALT. I WILL SAY THAT TAMPA APPEARS WE ARE USING THE BUDGETING OF THE SOFTWARE.

OUR INTERNS WERE PRETTY ACCURATE IN THEIR RATINGS.

PROBABLY MUCH TO THE DISBELIEF OF SOME PEOPLE.

BUT OVERALL, THE STREET SCAN USES A LITTLE DIFFERENT RATING SYSTEM. IT BASICALLY IS AN UPSCALE PACER RATING LIKE WE TYPICALLY USE ONE TO TEN.

IT IS A ONE TO 100 PAYMENT INDEX SCORE.

I THINK THE CITYWIDE SCORE WAS A 67.

IN PACER RATING A 6.7. WE WERE ACROSS THE CITY ALMOST A 7 WHICH IS EXTREMELY -- WHICH IS PRETTY HIGH.

JEREMY HAD POINTED OUT THE LTAP IS WORKING ON A STATE DASH BOARD SO CAN LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES.

AND THEY HAVE A LOT OF THE INFORMATION WRONG ON THE PULL-UP. THEY HAD US AT 200 CENTER LANE MILES. AND I TOLD MY STAFF TO REACH OUT. SO SI TOLD OUR STAFF TO REACH OUT AND SEE IF WE CAN GET SOME OF THOSE -- THOSE THINGS.

THEY HAD FISHERS WHICH IS NOT ACCURATE EITHER.

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WITH THE PROCESS. >> ALSO APPRECIATE THE TRANSPARENCY. IN THE PAST WE GET PHONE CALLS I WANT MY ROADS REPAVED. AND GETTING PEOPLE THE BIG PICTURE. TAKING ADVANTAGE OF AND THEY UNDERSTAND WHERE THEY ARE ON THE PROPERTY THAT IS REALLY GOING TO

HELP OUT. >> GOING BACK TO COUNCILOR GREEN'S MULTIPATH QUESTION. A SITUATION WE GOT INVOLVED WITH HAZELDALE. AND MUST HAVE BEEN SEAL COATING OR WHATEVER. OPINIONED THE NEIGHBORS WERE CONCERNED BECAUSE WE SEAL COATED AND ALL THE TREE ROOTS THAT WERE -- WAS NEGATIVELY AFFECTING THE PATH.

IS THAT WHAT YOU MEANT BY BETTER SPECS.

WE KNOW WHAT WE NEED TO DO NOW AND THAT HAS EVOLVED FROM THAT SITUATION AS WE RECALL OUR ANS

ANSWER. >> THE SITUATION OF THAT WAS ON THE FIRST BID THAT GOT OUT. IT GOT CHANGED ON THE FINAL BID BECAUSE WE WERE ATTEMPT TO USE QUANTITIES RATHER THAN SPECIFICS BECAUSE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE COULD DO.

AND THERE WAS A PROBLEM WITH EN WE FAILED IN COMMUNICATION WITH THE CONTRACTOR. SO HE NEVER CAME BACK TO US TO SAY THIS IS WHERE WE ARE AT. THIS IS WHAT HE IS DOING.

HE FOLLOWED THE BID COMPLETELY AND AN ERROR ON OUR PART ON THE BID. IT GOT SEALED.

THE TREE ROOT SHOULD HAVE BEEN FIXED.

PLAN IS NEXT YEAR WE WILL GO BACK AND GET THAT AREA REPAIRED.

I HAVE BEEN LOOKING INTO TRYING TO FIGURE OUT ON SOME OF THE WORST AREAS SOME LONG-TERM MITIGATION PLANS WHETHER IT MEANS SOME PRODUCTS THAT WILL GO IN THE GROUND AND PREVENT THE ROOTS FROM TRAVELING. SO WE -- BUT WE POSSIBLY HAVE TO DIG UP A SECTION OF THE PATH WHERE IT IS THE WORSE IF WE KEEP HAVING THE REOCCURRING ISSUES ON THE SAME SECTION.

DIG IT UP. PUT THE BARRIERS IN AND REBUILD

THE PATH IS A POSSIBILITY. >> MIGHT WANT TO ADD A COUPLE OF THINGS WITH HAZEL TOO. THE FIRST ROAD STARTED IN 1997 AND COMPLETED IN '98 THAT HAD MULTIUSE PATHS AROUND IT.

IT WAS WHEN I TOOK OFFICE DURING MY FIRST TERM.

AND WE HAD LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT DESIGN IT, BUT I DON'T THINK SHE PAID A LOT OF ATTENTION TO THE TYPES OF TREES.

SOME TREES WILL GROW OUT AND DISRUPT SIDEWALKS.

OTHERS WILL GO DOWN. THIS BEING THE OLDEST ROAD, WE LEARNED ON THAT PROJECT. AND SENSE THEN HAVE WORKED MUCH HARD TO MAKE SURE THE SPECIES OF THE TREE AND ROOTS GO DOWN AND THEN OUT. HAZEL DALE -- PROBABLY AN INDICATION BECAUSE THE OLDEST ONE.

25, 26 YEARS OLD DEPENDING ON WHAT PART OF HAZELDALE.

THE SOUTHERN PART IS A YEAR OLDER AND FROM NORTH TO SOUTH.

BUT I DON'T THINK WE WILL HAVE THE EXTENT OF THE PROBLEM ON OUR OTHER MULTIUSE PATHS BECAUSE OF THE SPECIES OF TREES USED AFTER

THAT PROJECT. >>TONY GREEN: MAKES SENSE.

I WANT TO CLARIFY IF THERE IS TECHNOLOGY OF PROTECTING THE PATHS FROM TREE ROOTS. DID I UNDERSTAND THAT CORRECT?

SOMETHING OUT FLORIDA. >> THERE IS A SYSTEM -- HOW WELL

IT WORKS, I DON'T KNOW. >>WHAT IS DARREN THINKING

ABOUT. >> I HAVE -- I JUST FOUND IT ABOUT A COUPLE -- A WEEK OR TWO AGO.

AND ITS BASICALLY LIKE A -- LIKE A BOARD -- THE POLY BOARD THAT WILL GO VERTICAL ALONG THE EDGE OF YOUR TRAIL AND YOU CAN GET THEM AT DIFFERENT HEIGHTS. SO IF THE ROOTS WERE TO GO UNDER, THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO DOWN THREE FEET --

>> MAKE SURE YOU ARE ON MIC. COUNCILOR AND AASEN WERE WALKING THE NEIGHBORHOOD. TRYING TO DETERMINE WHY TREE ARE DESTROYING THE SIDEWALKS IN A NEIGHBORHOOD.

COUNCILOR HANNON. >>TIM HANNON: NOT TO BEAT THE MULTIUSE DEAD HORSE HERE, BUT GLAD THAT COUNCILOR GREEN BRINGING IT UP. THE STREET DEPARTMENT BEING THE EVERYTHING DEPARTMENT. THE COMMISSIONER USED TO BE ON THE TRANSPORTATION, AND NOW I AM BLANK AGO ON IT --

>> JAMES. >>TIM HANNON: VERY HELPFUL BECAUSE SOME OF THE MULTIUSE ARE MAINTAINED BY THE PARKS.

OTHER BY STREETS. BY STREETS DEPARTMENT AND NOT

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THEY ALL WORK WELL TOGETHER AND WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR SOME TIME. GLAD YOU BROUGHT IT UP, TONY BECAUSE WE NEED TO SUPPORT IT. BUT THE STREET DEPARTMENTS ALONG WITH THE ULTIMATE TRANSPORTATION IS TRYING TO BE VERY SMART ABOUT THIS. I WAS SORT OF SHOCKED WHEN I HEARD THAT REPAVING A MULTIUSE PATHWAY, ABOUT THE SAME MONEY AS IT IS A STREET BECAUSE OF DEMAND AND SUPPLY.

SO YOU THINK, OH, IT IS ONLY EIGHT FEET WIDE.

DOESN'T HAVE TO HOLD. MAINTENANCE AND WE NEED TO SUPPORT TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE MULTIUSE PATHWAYS STAY IN THE CONTINUE THEY ARE. APPEAR AND LOOKING AT SMART SOLUTIONS SUCH AS THE TOPCOAT. THE BIGGEST THING ON SMOKEY ROAD. PEOPLE WOULD WALK AROUND BARRIERS. RIGHT ALONG BARRIERS AND PUT RUTS IN THE PATHWAY, BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T WAIT THE 24 HOURS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I WANTED TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO COMMISSIONER HIGGIN BOTTOM AND HIS ENTIRE STAFF FOR INVOLVEMENT IN PROACTIVE NATURE IN MAINTAINING THESE PATHWAYS HAVE

A VARIETY OF STANDPOINTS. >>JEFF WORRELL: OKAY.

LET'S SEE. YOU HAVE ONE MORE BUDGET.

>> YEAH. 1206.

>>JEFF WORRELL: THANK YOU. I COULDN'T GET THERE FAST ENOUGH 12:06. CITY PROPERTY MAINTENANCE.

DUE TO INCREASE PLANNING AND RIGHT AWAY.

THE COST OF MATERIALS. WATER AND SEWER WENT UP $45,000.

BUILDING REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE YOU SAW A BIG JUMP IN IT.

DUE TO INCREASED GARAGE MAINTENANCE.

WE ARE ADDING ANOTHER GARAGE. THE -- AND THE OTHER CONTRACTUAL SERVICES, YOU WILL SEE AN INCREASE OF $557 THUSHGS 055.

PART OF THAT WILL FALL OFF IN THERE FOR THE WORK THAT IS ONGOING AT SO HE INTO HE I CAN'T SQUARE AND THE WATERPROOFING.

AND THEN I WILL BE TAKING SOME OF THAT OUT NEXT YEAR.

NOT SURE OF THE CIVIC SQUARE GARAGE BUT WILL BE ROLLING IN.

>> A QUESTION ON THAT GARAGE PROJECT.

THE CITY IS PAYING FOR THEM. WHO OWNS THE GARAGES, SOPHIA SQUARE AND WHAT IS THE OTHER GARAGE WE ARE PAY TO REPAIR.

>> BIGGEST ONE IS SOPHIA SQUARE AND THAT IS THE WATERPROOFING AND THE BIGGEST COST. I BELIEVE HENRY -- IT WAS -- I DON'T KNOW IF THE LITIGATION GOT SETTLED.

HE WAS WORKING ON THE TARKINGSTON.

AND THAT GENERALLY THOUGH THE T TARKINGSTON CITY CENTER IN THE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT.

TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE LIGHTING AND IN CITY CENTER.

WE HAVE THE BRICK COURTYARD THAT IS PART OF THE FOUNTAIN.

THINGS LIKE THAT. THE FOUNTAINS -- ALL THE FOUNTAIN COSTS -- ALMOST ALL THE FOUNTAINS ARE ON THE

RIGHT-OF-WAY. >> THESE COME OUT OF CITY FUNDS.

NOT OUT OF CRC ORTIF. >> ON THE SOPHIA SQUARE.

>> TIF FUNDS CAN BE USED FOR INITIAL CAPITAL, NOT JESUS MAINTENANCE. BUT OTHER FUND FROM SALE OF LAND THAT CAN BE USED FOR MAINTENANCE.

SO ALWAYS -- THIS IS THE CHALLENGE WE HAVE TO FUND AND WHERE COULD WE PAY FOR IT. GIVEN THE CIRCUMSTANCES.

AT THAT TIME. THE -- JUST LIKE MANY THINGS.

WE LEARN FRPD OUR GARAGE AGREEMENTS HOW BEST TO DO IT AND THE EARLY ONES AND SOME OF THE OTHER ONES WERE DONE DIFFERENTLY. SOPHIA SQUARE.

AND THEY ARE BEING DONE TODAY IN TERMS OF HOW THE MAINTENANCE IS HANDLED. WHO PAYS FOR IT.

WHO ACTUALLY OWNS THE GARAGE AND HENRY CAN GIVE YOU A LOT OF BACKGROUND INFORMATION IF YOU ARE INTERESTED ON THAT.

>> ALL RIGHT, VERY GOOD. I WANT TO CONGRATULATE YOU.

HOW MANY YEARS ARE WERE YOU DIRECTOR.

>> NOT EVEN A YEAR. >> YOU DID GREAT AND YOUR DEPARTMENT I GET -- IF I CALL SOMETHING -- IT SEEMS LIKE YOU

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THAT IS HOW FAST YOU ARE. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT.

>>JEFF WORRELL: NEXT UP IS POLICE.

AND CHIEF BARLOW, WELCOME. WE WILL START OFF WITH 1110.

>> GOOD MOMORNING. I WILL JUST KIND OF HIT SOME HIGHLIGHT CHANGES AND THEN COVER A FEW THINGS AND THEN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE IF THAT IS ALL RIGHT.

OBVIOUSLY PERSONAL SERVICES ARE GOING TO GO UP REALLY BASED ON COST OF LIVING INCREASE. STEP IN GRADE AND AN ADDITION OF SIX PEOPLE. FIVE WILL BE SWORN POLICE OFFICERS AND ONE CASEWORKER. PROBABLY THE NEXT ONE WE ALSO LOOK AT THINGS IN A FIVE-YEAR TREND.

AND AFTER ADDING HYBRIDS AND WATCHING GAS USAGE GO DOWN.

REREDUCED THAT ACCOUNT JUST IN TIME TO HAVE GAS PRICES DOUBLE.

WE EXPECT AN INCREASE IN THERE AND ALSO SAFETY SUPPLIES.

THAT IS A BIG JUMP, BECAUSE IT IS GREAT THAT WE HAD DELIBERATORS DONATED TO US AND MAINTENANCE OF THOSE, SO THE PADS HAVE TO BE REPLACED EVERY TWO YEARS AND THAT IS A $80,000 COST. EVERY TWO YEARS WE WILL HAVE TO DO THAT. EVERY FIVE YEARS WE HAVE TO REPLACE THE BATTERIES. BUT THEY HAVE A GREAT TOOL.

WE HAVE MULTIPLE SAVES. THANK DOUG CALLAHAN WHO ASSISTED US. 431940 PROMOTIONAL TESTING.

EVERY TWO YEARS WE BRING IN AN OUTSIDE COMPANY TO MANAGE OUR TESTING -- PROMOTIONAL TESTING. ELECTRICITY WILL BE A LITTLE STEP. THAT IS BASED ON A CONTRACT AND IN 2024 IT WILL DROP CONSIDERABLY.

THEN WILL BE SOFTWARE MAINTENANCE CONTRACTS AND DUE TO SEVERAL DIFFERENT SOFTWARE WE ARE USING.

COUPLE -- WE DO DAY TO DAY USE OF POWER DMS AND OTHERS WILL BE INTELLIGENCE, FOR INTELLIGENCE UNIT.

HUMANE SOCIETY SERVICES AND REALLY BASED ON THE CONTRACT ALSO. THEY ESTIMATE HOW MANY ANIMALS YOU BRING TO THEM AND PASS THAT ON TO US.

AND SO THAT -- THAT IS BASED ON A CONTRACT.

CARS AND TRUCKS, 4465001. ALSO OTHER EQUIPMENT THAT INCREASED DUE TO ADDING OFFICERS AND ADDITIONAL EQUIPMENT, ADDITIONAL VEHICLES FOR THEM STAY WANTED -- THE PERSONAL SERVICES UP TO 148 SWORN OFFICERS.

28 CIVILIAN OFFICERS. THE CASEWORKER JUST TO -- AS BUILD THAT PROGRAM, SELF SERGEANT MALLOY AND HANNACOLES IS OUR CASEWORKER NOW. WE REALLY BROUGHT HER IN TO BUILD THE PROGRAM. HER HEADED INTO OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND LOOKING AT HOW THEY ARE RUNNING THEM.

WE ARE GOING TO STEAL IDEAS FROM EVERYONE AND I SAY CARAMELIZE IT AND MAKE IT FIT OUR COMMUNITY. BUT YEAR TO DATE, 195 IDS, IMMEDIATE DETENTION AND SEVEN SUICIDES TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA.

AND SO, HANNA IS REALLY FOLLOWING UP ON ALL THOSE AND I WANT TO GET ANOTHER PERSON IN THERE SO SHE CAN FOCUS ON BUILDING THE PROGRAM FOR US. AND RIGHT NOW THEY ARE DOING SO MUCH FOLLOW-UP WORK WHICH IS NEEDED THAT IS GETTING -- KIND OF DIFFICULT TO DO THAT ALSO WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT THEY HAVE FILLED THE COOL RESOURCE FOR A THREE-YEAR PROGRAM.

AN OFFICER IN EVERY SCHOOL RIGHT NOW.

ALSO FOUR AT THE HIGH SCHOOL. PROGRAM IS GOING REALLY, REALLY WELL. THE -- ONE OF THINGS THAT MAYBE A QUESTION COME UP A LITTLE LATER BUT NOT ONLY ARE THIS HE IN THE SCHOOLS, TEACHING, EDUCATING AND BEING MENTORS AN EVERYTHING. THEY ALSO RESPOND TO CALLS AND STUFF. D EVERYTHING.

THEY ALSO RESPOND TO CALLS AND STUFF.

LIEUTENANT WAS GIVING US DAILY UPDATES.

I KNEW THEY WERE BUSY BUT IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT THEY TAKE A LOT OF REPORTS THAT FREE UP OFFICERS IN THE STREETS FROM SEX CRIMES TO THEFTS AND THOSE THINGS.

IF SOMEONE DOESN'T SHOW UP TO SCHOOL, THEY GO TO THE SCHOOL ADMINISTRATOR TO SEE WHAT THEY ARE DOING.

FIND THEM. THAT WILL BE BEFORE THE DISTRICT OFFICE WILL BE CALLED TO DO THAT.

SOME THEY DO RELIEVE SOME OF THE OTHER DUTIES THAT SOME OF OUR ONDUTY PATROL OFFICERS WILL DO IN THE PAST.

AND WILL HELP OUT IN DIFFERENT PROGRAMS AND HELP IN THE

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THEY WILL COVER THE COST OF ALL THOSE OFFICERS 100%.

AND ONE LITTLE THING -- IT WAS KIND OF AN I.T. BUDGET AND THROW OUR SUPPORT IN AS A FLOCK CAMERA SYSTEM.

A GREAT TOOL. I WON'T GET TOO DEEP WITH IT, BUT HELPED US IN A LOT OF WAYS FROM RECOVERING A LOT OF STOLEN VEHICLES. WE SAW DAMAGE TO PROPERTY HERE IN THE CITY. WE WERE ABLE TO IDENTIFY LIKE HIT-AND-RUNS EVEN ON BUILDINGS -- ALSO IT HELPED A COUPLE OF TIME ON MISSING PERSONS. SILVER ALERT.

WE WERE ABLE TO TRACK WHERE THEY WENT AND LOCATE THEM QUICKER.

IT HAS BEEN A GREAT TOOL. A LOT OF MISINFORMATION.

I WILL COVER WHAT IS NOT. IT IS NOT A FACIAL RECOGNITION.

IT IS ONLY RETAINED -- THE DATA IS RETAINED FOR 30 DAYS.

IT IS NOT SOLD TO THIRD PARTIES FOR ANY REASON.

AND IT IS NOT REALLY -- IT IS NOT A TRAFFIC CAMERAL.

WE ARE NOT CATCHING PEOPLE SPEEDING OR RUNNING A FEW LITTLE TRAFFIC LIGHTS WE HAVE LEFT. SO I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY

QUESTIONS. >>JEFF WORRELL: TO THE RIGHT SIDE. OKAY, DR. HANNON.

>>TIM HANNON: THANK YOU, CHIEF, FOR YOU AND THE JOB OF YOUR STAFF. NOT REALLY QUESTIONS OTHER THAN COMMENTS. YOU KNOW WE TALK OF THE SOCIAL WORKER POSITION AND ADDING ANOTHER ONE.

I AM FULLY SUPPORTIVE OF THAT AND MY SUGGESTION HAS BEEN AND REMAINS I WOULD LOVE TO E-HANNA COLES PRESENT TO COUNCIL WHAT EXACTLY SHE DOES, WHAT ARE THE BENEFITS OF IT, AND WHAT SHE NEEDS TO EXPAND THAT PROGRAM. AND THEN TO HEAR FROM YOUR FRONT-LINE STAFF TO SAY HOW IT SUPPORTS THEIR JOB.

YOU MENTIONED JUST SOME STATS, IMMEDIATE DETENTIONS, SUICIDES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. IT IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT THAT PEOPLE KNOW THAT THE POLICE IS KIND OF LIKE THE STREET DEPARTMENT. AND TAKEN OUT A LOT OF JOBS INCLUDING SOCIAL WELFARE AND A VERY INNOVATIVE PROGRAM AND I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR MORE ABOUT THAT.

THE TECHNOLOGY AGAIN. YOU CAN'T SPEAK OF THE FLUX CAMERA, BUT I THINK MORE INFORMATION AS IT BECOMES AVAILABLE OVERTIME. ANOTHER SMART TECHNOLOGY THAT MORE THAN PAYS FOR ITSELF IN TERMS OF CRIME MITIGATION.

CRIME PREVENTION AS WELL. AND THE ONLY OTHER THING AFTER ALL THE OTHER COUNSELORS QUESTIONS ARE ANSWERED IS HOW THE D.O.T. PROCESS IS GOING IN THE ANNEX AND I STEAL A LITTLE BIT OF YOUR THUNDER THAT IT IS GOING AS INTENDED.

MY COMMENTS ARE SUPPORTIVE OF ADDING THE ADDITIONAL SOCIAL WORKER TO HEAR AND PRESENT THAT PROGRAM AND WHAT ELSE SHE NEEDS AND THE ACCOMPLISHMENT. WITH EVERYTHING SELLS DONE A

UPDATE THAT FINANCES OPERATIONS. >> YES, WILL BE HAPPY TO.

>>JEFF WORRELL: COUNCILOR GREEN. >>TONY GREEN: 148 SWORN

OFFICERS, THAT INCLUDE RESOURCE. >> YES, CORRECT.

>>TONY GREEN: 135 ACTUALLY BOOTS ON THE GROUND MOST OF THE YEAR.

>> YES. WHEN WE ARE UP TO FULL-STRENGTH, THAT IS OUR PROVE STRENGTH. OBVIOUSLY LIKE EVERYBODY IS SAYING OUR CHALLENGES -- CHALLENGE IS HIRING AND GETTING

PEOPLE TRAINED OUT THERE. >> CAN I JUST CLARIFY THAT? YOU SAID 148 SWORN OFFICERS. OBVIOUSLY SOME OF THOSE ARE SROS. WHEN SCHOOL IS NOT IN SESSION,

WHAT DO THE SRO DO? >> A VARIETY OF THINGS.

SOME THEY PUT TOGETHER -- THE ONES AT THE HIGH SCHOOL AND JUNIOR HIGH, TEEN ACADEMY. AT THE ELEMENTARY, THEY DO A ELEMENTARY PROGRAM. AND ALSO THEY DO SOME TRAINING AND HELP US OUT MIDTOWN, DOWNTOWN DISTRICT, AND SOME OF

WARD STREET. >>TONY GREEN: I WANT TO CLARIFY

BOOTS ON THE STREETS. >> AT VARIOUS TIMES, YES.

>> ALL RIGHT. SO I WANTED TO GIVE YOU A HEADS UP ON THE 10,000, 30,000, 50,000, 200 -- EXAGGERATE THAT

MUCH. >> GOD FORBID.

>> BASED ON THE CRIME ACTIVITY AND THE INCREASING POPULATION, OTHER THAN BOOTS ON GROUND, WHAT OTHER KID OF FORCE MULTIPLIERS DO YOU SEE LIKE COUNCILOR HANNON.

>> ONE COMMENT, I AM ENVY OF CHIEF IS AROUND BECAUSE WHEN I COME TO THESE HEARINGS, I GET A HARD TIME NOT ASKING FOR MORE

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WE TALKED TO DR. HANNON ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT.

THERE ARE TECHNOLOGIES THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US LOOK INTO WITH COMMUNITY RELATIONS AS FAR AS A LOT OF BUSINESS FROM I\.P.

CAMERAS. AND SOFTWARE OUT THERE THAT ALLOWS DEPARTMENTS TO TAP INTO THOSE IF WE HAD, SFOESHGS, ARMED ROBBERY AT A GA GAS STATION AND AND GET THE CALL TO IMMEDIATELY PULL UP THE CAMERAS. NOT SOMETHING YOU MONITOR ALL THE TIME, BUT IN THE CASE OF EMERGENCY.

LIKE WE DO WITH THE SCHOOLS, CASE OF EMERGENCY, WE PULL THOSE CAMERAS UP AND GET THE INFORMATION AND TIED INTO THE FLOCK CAMERAS TO LOCATE THE VEHICLES AND POSSIBLY APPREHEND PEOPLE QUICKER. THOSE TYPE OF THINGS I THINK I LIKE TO SEE. AGAIN, WE ARE ADDING FIVE OFFICERS. AND THOSE WILL GO TO THE STREET.

I THINK THAT IS A GOOD NUMBER TO KEEP ADDING AS WE GROW AS A COMMUNITY AND ONE TO SUPPORT BECAUSE WE HIRE EIGHT ABOUT A MONTH AGO AND WE ARE SIX SHORT. ONE OF THE THINGS WE ARE NOT GOING TO DO IS -- WE MAY GET SOME CANDIDATES.

MORE CANDIDATES BUT NOT HIRE PEOPLE WHO WE DON'T FEEL IS QUALIFIED. WE NEVER WANT TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE ARE HIRING TO FILL POSITIONS.

AND ALSO OUR FIELD TRAINING PROGRAM WE WASHOUT OFFICERS OCCASIONALLY TOO. I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO KEEP GROWING LIKE THAT AND NOT TO AFFECT THE QUALITY OF WHAT WE --

WHAT WE ARE HIRING. >>JEFF WORRELL: ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT.

DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO BOT. >> I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO COME OVER AND GIVE YOU A TOUR AS THE BUILDING IS GOING ON.

THE REMODEL IS GOING VERY WELL. AND ANNEXATION, OBVIOUSLY, IS GOING WELL. I WOULD SAY FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, DE DEPUTY CHIEF MEYERS IS MY POINT PERSON ON THIS PROJECT. WITH THE HELP -- ALWAYS POSITIVE AS HAVING THE OWNER'S REP AND ALSO -- I AM EMBARRASSED JIM AND DEPUTY CHIEF. IT WORKS WELL AND ISSUES THAT WE ARE ABLE TO WORK THROUGH AND THOSE COSTS HAVEN'T COME ON TO US. THOSE COSTS HAVE BEEN RESOLVED.

IT IS GOING REAL WELL. THEY SAY AHEAD OF SCHEDULE AND KEEP OUR FEET -- OUR FINGERS CROSSED ON THAT.

FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, WE ARE EARLY INTO THE PROGRAM AND GOING VERY WELL. THE COMPANY HAS BEEN RERESPONSIVE AND WORKED WELL WITH US BECAUSE WE ARE DOING A LOT OF WORKING AROUND OUR WORK PLACES WHILE THEY REMODEL.

IT IS GOING WELL. >>JEFF WORRELL: OKAY, LET'S GO

ON TO YOUR NEXT BUDGET. >> 210, USER FEES.

THIS IS -- WE USE THIS FOR A LOT OF OUR TRAINING MONIES.

WE ALSO PUT TRAINING MONEY ON OUR REGULAR BUDGET, BUT THESE ARE JUST FEES FROM -- USED FROM GUN PERMITS.

BUT WE NO LONGER RECEIVE ANY MONEY FROM THAT.

ALTHOUGH WE GOT A GRANT FROM THE STATE KNEW THERE WOULD BE A SHORTFALL AND WE GOT SOME MONEY FROM THAT.

JUST OTHER TYPES OF FEES. WE BUDGET PART OF IT FOR -- TO COVER ANY TRAINING THAT WE DO. TO OBVIOUSLY ESPECIALLY FOR THE MILITARY, THE -- HOW YOU TRAIN IS HOW YOU REACT.

WE ARE PROUD THAT WE MAINTAIN A HIGH LEVEL OF TRAINING.

AND THIS SUPPORTS THAT. QUESTIONS ON THAT? WORRELL FWHORZ, GO AHEAD AND RUN THROUGH THOSE AND WE WILL HOLD

THE QUESTION TO THE END. >> DO 801.

THE PENSION FUND AND IT COVERS -- SOME OF THE MAIN EXPENSES IS TO OUR -- OUR PENSION SECRETARY. AND THEN THEY PUT SOME MONEY IN THERE FOR -- IF WE EVER HAVE A HEARING OR IF THEY NEED LEGAL COUNSEL. AND -- 911 WILL BE THE LAST ONE, LAW ENFORCEMENT FUND. IN 1909 WHEN THE HAMILTON COUNTY BOONE DRUG TASK FORCE WAS STARTED, THEY NEED A PLACE TO RUN THEIR BUDGET THROUGH WHICH THE CITY OF CARMEL HAS DONE SINCE ITS INCEPTION. THIS IS MONEY THAT IS ALL -- ALL BACKED BY FOREST ROW MONEY. NO COST TO THE TAXPAYER TO RUN THIS UNIT. AND IT IS -- IT HAS GROWN OVER THE YEARS AND THEY HAVE BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL ON SOME OF THEIR

MAJOR INVESTIGATIONS. >>JEFF WORRELL: ALL RIGHT.

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CHIEF, WILL YOU MIND INTRODUCING EVERYONE ON YOUR TEAM WHO WILL IS HERE, PLEASE. SO WE ALL KNOW WHO IS HERE.

>> TEACHABLE AND COACHABLE MOMENT.

SO DEPUTY CHIEF FROST, MAJOR ELSESON, SHANE COLLINS, LIEUTENANT MEYERS AND DEPUTY CHIEF MIRE SNUCK OUT ON ME.

>>JEFF WORRELL: GREAT. THIS COMMUNITY APPRECIATES YOU ALL VERY MUCH. AND WE WANT TO YOU KNOW THAT.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. >> THEY ARE A GREAT TEAM AND THEY WANTED BE HERE TO LEARN. THANK YOU FOR BEING NICE ON ME.

>>JEFF WORRELL: ALL RIGHT. AND MATT, I MEANT TO DO THE SAME THING FOR YOU AND YOU MOVED PEOPLE AROUND.

CAN YOU COME UP AND INTRODUCE YOUR TEAM.

WHILE WE BRING UP -- JUDGE, YOU ARE NEXT, I BELIEVE.

NO, JOHN OVERLANDSER WILL KEEP US NEXT.

I AM GOING TO KEEP US MOVING HE

HERE. >> YEAH, AMY LUND OUR OFFICE ADMINISTRATOR WITH THE DEPARTMENT FOR 20 YEARS.

CRYSTAL EVANSON, OPERATIONS MANAGER.

CHRIS TABACK, OPERATIONS MANAGER AND JAMES RUNDEL, FILLING THE ROLL OF THE DATA TECHNICIANS RUNNING THE NUMBERS.

>>JEFF WORRELL: THANK YOU WILL JOHN OVERLAND IS ON LINE.

START WITH 1180. >> THANK YOU, COUNCILOR WORRELL AND OTHER COUNSELORS. THANK YOU FOR LET ME JOIN REMOTELY. YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE AN INCREASE OF 15% IN FULL-TIME REGULAR. THAT IS FOR THE COLA INCREASE AND ALSO INCREASES IN STEPS FOR ALL THE EMPLOYEES IN MY DEPARTMENT. OUR PART-TIME BUDGET HAS GONE UP A BIT. WE HAD A LOT OF SUCCESS WITH OUR LEGAL INTERN AND ALSO HAD AN ADMINISTRATIVE INTERN IN THE LAST COUPLE OF SUMMERS THAT IT WORKED OUT VERY WELL AS WELL.

THOSE ARE THE MAJOR INCREASES FOR THE YEAR ASIDE FROM THE CITY'S SHEAR OF HEALTH INSURANCE WHICH WE DON'T HAVE CONTROL OVER. MOVING ON TO SUPPLIES.

THAT HAS GONE UP ABOUT $1,000. WE FOUND WE NEEDED A LITTLE BIT MORE FOR OFFICE SUPPLIES THAT HAS GONE UP A BIT.

UNDER SERVICES, WE ACTUALLY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO REDUCE THIS A LITTLE BIT. SO THAT IS ALWAYS GOOD.

IN OUR CAPITAL EXPENSES WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO REDUCE THAT BY A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT. IT IS A 25% DROP IN THE TOTAL BUDGET. WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO REDUCE OUR COST ON OUR WEST LAW SUBSCRIPTION.

WE NO LONGER HAVE THE PRINT SUBSCRIPTION AND SAVE US A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY AND THAT WILL GO DOWN A BIT. THAT BUDGET HAS GONE DOWN $16,000. THE OVERALL BOTTOM LINE OUR BUDGET HAS GONE UP 8%, WHICH IS -- THE COLA INCREASE.

AND I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, IF ANYBODY HAS ANY.

>>JEFF WORRELL: ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? GO AHEAD AND GO TO YOUR NEXT ONE, IF YOU WOULD.

>> THE DEFERRAL, THE 209 FUND. SO PART OF MY SALARY IS PAID OUT OF THAT. THE FULL-TIME RIG LINE THERE.

FOR THE PART-TIME, OUR DEFERRAL COORDINATOR ELLEN COLLINS.

WE HAVE SEEN A FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT DROP IN REFERRALS COMING THROUGH SINCE THE LEGISLATURE CHANGED HOW OFFICERS WRITE SPEEDING TICKETS. SPEEDING TICKETS TO THE AFRACTION THAT GOES TO THE COUNTY RATHER THAN THE CITY.

THE WORK HAS DROPPED OFF A BIT. WE HAVE TRANSFERRED SOME OF HER HOURS TO THE LAW DEPARTMENT BUDGET AND ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THE LINE WENT UP. STILL REFERRAL WORK IT DO AND RESTRICTED FUNDS. AND CAN ONLY BE USED FOR THE REFERRAL PROGRAM. AND WE ARE ABLE TO PAY FOR SOME OF OUR SERVICES AND SUPPLIES OUT OF THAT TOO THAT GO ALONG WITH THE PROGRAM BUT OVERALL THE BUDGET HAS GONE DOWN, $500, A 4% REDUCTION. I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY

QUESTIONS. >>JEFF WORRELL: IF I QUESTIONS.

I APPRECIATE IT. YOU ARE ON A CONFERENCE ON THE WEST COAST, I APPRECIATE YOU DIALING IN REMOTELY.

>> I WANT TO ADD SOMETHING. NATURE OF MY JOB IS I WORK WITH JOHN AND HIS STAFF ON A REGULAR BASIS AND JUST NEED TO SAY WHAT A GREAT JOB THEY DO FOR THE TAXPAYERS OF THE CITY.

WE ARE TO THE THAT THE TO HAVE HIM.

THANK YOU. >>JEFF WORRELL: THANK YOU.

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THANK YOU, JOHN, APPRECIATE IT. >> THANK YOU.

>>JEFF WORRELL: NOW TO CITY COURT ON MY MIND, 1301.

JUDGE POINDEXTER. >> GOOD MORNING.

I AM BRIAN POINDEXTER A JUDGE IN CARMEL, INDIANA WITH OFFICES 401 GRADELE DRIVE UNTIL THE NEW COURT COMPLEX IS COMPLETED.

THE COURT'S REQUEST FOR FUNDING FOLLOWS ALL OF THE INSTRUCTIONS WE WERE GIVEN WITH REGARDS TO SALARY, SALARY INCREASES AND BENEFITS. IF THE NUMBERS LOOK A LITTLE BIT UNUSUAL UNDER 1301, WHERE IT IS 4% VERSUS 8, I PROBABLY HAD TOO MUCH MONEY IN THE 2022 BUDGET THAT SO IT WASN'T NECESSARY TO ASK FOR MORE. THE STANDARD INCREASED OCCURRED.

NOT HEAVILY REFLECTED IN THE CHANGE.

PART-TIME, THAT IS PROBABLY THE MOST SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IN THE BUDGET. I THINK THE CHIEF -- THE REASON BEING WE DRAW OUR BAILIFFS FROM THE CARMEL POLICE DEPARTMENT. P WENT TO THE SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER PROGRAM.

THAT HAS BEEN -- THOSE HAVE WORKED WITH THE COURT FOR YEARS DIDN'T MIND THE JOB AND WOULD VOLUNTARILY COME.

WE COMPETE FOR BAILIFFS WITH OTHER PART-TIME JOBS ON THE MARKET. AND WE ARE ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL MONEY BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO RAISE THE REQUESTED HOURLY RATE UP TO $65 PER HOUR. THE HOPE IS THAT IT BE THE BERCH FIT POTENTIALLY OF THE CHIEF. HE CAN ANSWER THIS SEPARATELY IF HE WOULD LIKE. IF WE DON'T HAVE A BAILIFF THAT VOLUNTARILY WORKS WITH THE COURT FOR THE FUNDS AVAILABLE PER HOUR, WE WOULD BE SHORT A BAILIFF OR PERHAPS TWO.

WE HAVE TO CALL AND TELL THE CHIEF WHO HAS TO TAKE SOMEBODY OFF OF THE STREET WHICH COULD POTENTIALLY PUT THE DEPARTMENT SHORT ON MAN POWER THAT WE DON'T WANT TO DO.

ASKING FOR AN INCREASE PER HOUR, WE LOOKED AT THE MARKET PLATE IF THE OFFICERS CAN GO AND WORK FOR -- IS IT CLAY TOWNSHIP.

MAYBE SIT AT THE DESK OF CLAY TOWNSHIP AT 106TH AND COLLEGE.

TO BE COMPETITIVE WITH THAT SO THAT INDIVIDUALS WILL AGREE TO COME WORK PART-TIME AT THE COURT FOR THE BAILIFF TAKING STRESS FOR THE CHIEF OR DEPUTY CHIEF TO SEND OVER TO COURT.

NOT AN INSIGNIFICANT CHANGE. THE OTHER CHANGES WHERE THE DECREASES HAVE GONE DOWN, THAT FOLLOWS A BIT OF A SUGGESTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN FINKAM TALKED ABOUT PROPORTIONING SOME OF THE RECORDS INTO THE FUND WHICH WE DID.

THOSE ARE NOT TAXPAYER DOLLARS. THOSE ARE FUNDS DERIVED FROM FUNDS WE ARE ALLOW TO KEEP. OVERALL IT ENDS UP BEING A 4% INCREASE AND THAT IS WITH THE VARIOUS CHANGES WHICH STILL NETS OUT AT ABOUT 4% ON THE GENERAL BU BUDGET. WE FOLLOWED THE SALARIES AND BENEFITS. DIANE HAS A KEEN EYE.

NOTICED THE INSURANCE AMOUNTS DID NOT CHANGE.

THE REASON, THERE WAS A CHANGE IN MY STATUS.

MY WIFE AND I ARE EMPTY-NESTERS. MY DAUGHTER FELL OFF THE INSURANCE. BUT THE INSURANCE WENT UP THAT IT WAS A WASH FOR THE COURT. SHE THOUGHT MAYBE SHE FOUND AN ERROR. I APPRECIATE YOU CAN ALWAYS LOOK TO SEE IF I MADE A MISTAKE, BUT IN THIS CASE A CHANGE OF STATUS.

ANY QUESTIONS ON 1301? >>JEFF WORRELL: ANY QUESTIONS.

SP SUE OR KEVIN, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, MAKE SURE YOU PIPE

UP. >> I MANAGED TO DROP MY FOLDER IN TERMS OF WHERE EVERYTHING WAS IN ORDER.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS THE NEXT ORDER AND WHAT FUND YOU WANT TO.

>> 502, RECORD PERPETUATION. >> LET'S SEE.

IT'S THIS ONE. ALL RIGHT.

THOSE FUNDS ARE DERIVED FROM A PORTION OF COURT COSTS THAT THE COURTS ARE ALLOW TO KEEP. THAT PARTICULAR FUND WAS SUPPOSED TO SUNSET IN A YEAR OR SO.

PRESIDENT INDIANA GENERAL ASSEMBLY DID NOT.

AND THE COURTS ARE ALLOW TO COMPLETE A PORTION OF COURT COSTS TO DEFRAY THE COST OF OUR COURT RECORD SYSTEM.

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AND WE NEED TO MAINTAIN THEM AND HAVE THAT ELECTRICAL COST INTO THAT FUND. THE INCREASE IN SERVICES ALL WOULD REFLECT THAT ADDITIONAL PERSONAL SERVICES THAT WE NEED WILL BE ON THE I.T. SYSTEMS FOR THE PURCHASE AND MATES NANCE AND WE SHIFTED ADDITIONAL FUNDS INTO THAT.

FOR THE COUNCIL'S EDIFICATION, THIS YEAR ALL THE BUSINESS SYSTEMS IN THE COURT AND THE CLERK'S OFFICE WERE ORIGINATED IN THE COURT SYSTEM. PREVIOUSLY THE COURT PURCHASED IT. THEY HAD ALL GONE PAST THEIR HIGH OF FORM OR LIFELINE THE COURT PURCHASED NEW WORK STATIONS NOT ONLY ON THE COURT SIDE BUT THE WHEREWITHAL FOR THE CLERK'S BUDGET. DID NOT EXTEND I.T. FUNDS AND FINE WITH EQUIPMENT AND THE STAFF IS PLEASED THAT IT IS FASTER AND MORE ERGONOMICALLY FRIENDLY.

ANY QUESTIONS ON RECORDS PERPETUATION.

>>JEFF WORRELL: KEEP ROLLING NEXT ONE WILL BE 505.

>> THEY MAY USE THE TERM PROPER COUNCIL.

THE PUBLIC DEFENDER FUND OR PUBLIC DEFENDER IS THE MODERN TURN OF PROVIDING INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE INCAPABLE OF HIRING THEIR OWN LAWYER WITH COMPETENT LEGAL COUNSEL.

A SMALL STORM WATCH TORY FEE OF THOSE USING THE PUBLIC DEFENDER.

ONLY ASSESSED IF THEY HAVE THE WHEREWITHAL TO PAY IT.

THE SLOWEST OF ANY FUND. CURRENTLY NOT THE AMOUNT OF MONEY -- WE BUDGETED $4,000. IT IS NOT ALL THERE YET.

WE ALWAYS SPEND AGAINST THIS ACCOUNT FIRST BEFORE WE GO TO THE 1301 FUND FOR THE PUBLIC DEFENDER TRYING TO AT THE FRAY AS MUCH FROM THE TAXPAYERS BACK INTO THIS FUND.

THE PUBLIC DEFENDER IS NOT SOMEBODY FRESH OUT OF LAW SCHOOL. A RETIRED SUPERIOR COURT JUDGE WITH AN EXTRAORDINARY AM AMOUNT OF EXPERIENCE AND HE WANTS TO PRACTICE 50 YEARS SO HE WANTS TO END ON BEING A PUBLIC DEFENDER IS WHAT IS HE STARTED BEFORE HE WAS A JUDGE MANY, MANY YEARS.

>>JEFF WORRELL: WHAT IS HIS NAME.

>> DAN FLEGING. RETIRED JUDGE.

GOOD PERSON TO WORK WITH AND HE WORKS VERY WELL WITH THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO NEED HIS SERVICES.

>>JEFF WORRELL: RIGHT INTO 506. >> 506, JUDICIAL SALARY FUNDS.

THE NAME IS A BIT OF A MISNOMER, A PORTION OF COURT COSTS THAT MUNICIPALITIES ARE ALLOWED TO AT THE BENEFIT OF THE COURT.

HISTORICALLY BEFORE COVID, ALL OF THE COST TO THE COURT WITH THE EXCEPTION OF PERSONNEL CAME OUT OF THIS FUND BUSINESS LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE TRAILED OUR FOR A WHILE.

WE ARE GOING BACK TO WHAT NORMAL IS GOING TO BE.

WE PROVIDE FOR ALMOST ALL THE OTHER SUPPLIES THAT A COURT MIGHT NEED. WE ARE LOOK TO -- OBVIOUSLY WE REDUCED OFFICE SUPPLIES FROM THIS LINE AND MOVED THAT TO ANOTHER BUDGET. PROFESSIONAL FEES WENT DOWN, WE MOVED THAT TO ANOTHER FUND. SO WE -- I THINK WE HAVE BEEN PRETTY CAREFUL WITH EVEN EX-PENDING OUT OF THIS FUND AND PRETTY HEALTHY AND HELPS THE COURT NOT HAVE TO RELY ON HEALTH CARE DOLLARS. ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS? I THINK I HIT ALL THE MAJOR HIGHLIGHTS.

WENT DOWN 7% WHICH SHOW MOVED EXPENSE TO A DIFFERENT FUND.

>>TIM HANNON: JUDGE, WHAT IS YOUR TARGETED MOVE-IN DATE TO

THE NEW ANNEX? >> AS I HAVE BEEN INFORMED, WE ARE LOOKING AT THE FIRST QUARTER OF '24.

WE HOPE WE ARE ON TIME LIKE THAT.

OUR EXPERIENCE WITH THE BOT PROGRAM, WE ARE LUCKY WE ARE OFFSITE DURING THE CONSTRUCTION. THE BUILDER'S REP AND THE

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ONE OR TWO HICCUPS. FOR THE POINT OF VIEW, COURTS ARE NEVER INVOLVED IN A PURCHASE OF A BUILDING BUT IT HAS BEEN REMARKABLE. I SAT NEXT TO TIM HANNON DURING THE PROCESS MOST OF IT, AND IT APPEARS TO BE, PERHAPS, THE WAVE OF THE FUTURE FROM JUST MY PERSPECTIVE AS I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH OTHER THINGS AROUND THE STATE AND I TALKED TO OTHER PEOPLE BUILDING COURT ROOMS AND MUNICIPAL BUILDING AND USING THE TERM "BOT". I WAS EXPOS TO BEFORE I KNEW WHAT IT WAS. FROM MY PERSPECTIVE IT WAS INTERESTING AND FAR EASIER WAY. THEY COME BACK TO US AND SAY CAN YOU CONTROL COST. CAN I CUT THIS? YES. SOMETHING WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE, BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE IT. ADAM AT ONE POINT, CONSTRUCTION OF THE BUILDING HAVE TO BE THE MOST EXTRAVAGANT.

INSTEAD OF 12 HEIGHT FIXTURES WE USE SIX.

INSTEAD OF A LIFT FOR THE HANDICAP, WE USE A RAMP.

A WAY TO CONSERVE TAXPAYER FUND AND THE DIRECT USER WHICH IS THE COURTS, WE SAY WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO AND WE CAN FUNCTION APROP I CAN'T THELY WITHOUT IT.

-- APPROPRIATELY WI. >> COUNCILOR FINKAM, IT WAS A GAME CHANGER. AND IT WAS VERY GOOD.

>> THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO PARTICIPATE.

>> AND COUNCILOR FINKAN WAS THE WITH UNTO BRING IT UP AND I WAS INVOLVED IN THE ITERATION OF IT. AND FRONT END, IT IS GOING WELL AND GOOD TO HEAR FROM THE END USER.

>> SEE WHAT HAPPENS IN '24. AS A NOTE, I DON'T KNOW THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF THE LEASE OF THE BUILDING WE ARE IN.

BUT THE PLAN IS WE ESSENTIALLY ABANDON EVERYTHING IN PLACE WITH REDUCES ANY MOVING COST AND EXPOSE OF THE EQUIPMENT WHICH IS ON THE TOTAL PRICE WHICH IS AMAZING THAT WE WORK TO A TURNKEY OPERATION, TAKE OUR PERSONAL ITEMS WITH US AND THE OTHER ITEMS -- WANT TO ABANDON THE COMPUTERS AND EVERYTHING

ELSE GETS LEFT IN PLACE. >>TIM HANNON: THE LAST PART OF THE TRANSFER NOT TURNKEY BUT THEY HAVE TO MAKE SURE TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS ACTUALLY WORKING.

>>JEFF WORRELL: LET'S MOVE ON TO FIRE.

DO WE HAVE YOUR TEAM READY TO GO? I HAVE SAW YOU GO OUT AND TELL THEM IT'S CLOSE.

TELL THEM I AM READY. YOU GO THE TO GO? OKAY. 1120, CHIEF.

WE ARE READY TO GO. >> ALL RIGHT, LET'S GO.

HELLO. >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCILMEMBERS.

>>JEFF WORRELL: YOU NEED A MICROPHONE.

CHIEF, IF YOU WOULD, HIT ALL OF YOUR CHANGES, THE SIGNIFICANT

CHANGES. >> I TOLD HIM SIGNIFICANT.

>> WE ARE STARTING WITH 1120, THAT'S CORRECT?

>>JEFF WORRELL: 1120 AND THEN MO TO 102.

>> ALL RIGHT, I WILL STAY GOOD MORNING TO EVERYBODY.

GOOD MORNING COUNCILMEMBERS WHO ARE ON LINE.

THIS BUDGET WILL REPRESENT 172 SWORN MEMBERS OF THE ORGANIZATION. CURRENTLY WE HAVE NINE OPENINGS.

EIGHT OF THOSE ARE DUE TO -- WELL, SEVERAL OF THEM ARE DUE TO RETEE RETEERMENTS.

OF THIS BUDGET REPRESENTS NINE FULL-TIME CIVILIANS.

WE HAVE ONE OPENING FOR A FULL-TIME CITIZEN.

JEAN WHO WAS WITH THE CITY FOR 30 YEARS RETIRED THIS YEAR.

CONGRATULATION TO HER. FOUR PART-TIME MEMBERS OF OUR ORGANIZATION IN LOOKING AT BUDGET 11 # 0, OVERAALL 9% TO TE BUDGET AND ALL IN STEP AND GRADE AND HEALTH INSURANCE AND ALL THE THINGS YOU HAVE BEEN TALKING TO THROUGHOUT THE LAST TWO DAYS.

SO, AGAIN, INCREASE IN THE FULL-TIME, PART-TIME.

I WILL POINT OUT IN THE PART-TIME LINE ITEM, THERE IS AN INCREASE THERE THAT INCLUDES TWO ADDITIONAL PART-TIME EMPLOYEES.

SO WE CURRENTLY HAVE FOUR NOW. THIS WILL BE AN ADDITIONAL TWO PART-TIME MEMBERS TO THE ORGANIZATION.

THAT IS TO -- IN THE LAST YEAR OR SO, WE TOOK OVER WASHING OUR

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AND I AM HAPPY TO GIVE YOU IT HE TAILS ON THAT IF YOU WOULD LIKE, BUT THE SHORT VERSION IS, WE NEED PART-TIME HELP OCCASIONALLY TO HELP WASH FIRE GEAR AND THEN DO SOME -- AS THE CITIES CONTINUE TO GROW, SOME OF OUR INSPECTION PROCESSES IN THE FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE, THE PART-TIME PEOPLE WHO WOULD COME BACK IN AND HELP THERE. AS WELL AS WHEN WE OPEN UP THE NEW BUILDING WHICH SHOULD OPEN IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS WILL HAVE A BIG CELEBRATION. WHEN WE DO THAT, THE SAFETY EDUCATION PORTION OF THAT BUILDING, WE WILL NEED SOME ASSISTANCE TO HELP TAKE PEOPLE THROUGH THAT BUILDING.

I AM SURE THERE IS GOING TO BE A GREAT DEAL OF INTEREST ONCE THAT IS FINISHED UP FOR PEOPLE WALK THROUGH THE BUILDING.

SO THOSE PART-TIME PEOPLE. THOSE ARE TWO ADDITIONAL PEOPLE AND WILL BE PRETTY BUSY, SO A JACK-OF-ALL-TRADES.

OVER TIME, 8% INCREASE THERE. DEFERRED COMPENSATION.

AN INCREASE OF $120,000. AS PEOPLE GAIN SENIORITY IN THE ORGANIZATION. THEY -- THEY HISTORICALLY TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE DEFERRED COMPENSATION PACKAGE THAT THE CITY INCREASES -- AFFORDS THEM. UNDER SUPPLY AND SERVICES, CAPITAL OUTLAY. DIESEL FUEL HAS GONE UP SIGNIFICANTLY ON WHAT WE USED TO DATE IN 2022.

SAME THING FOR GASOLINE. I DO WANT TO POINT OUT ONE DECREASE, BECAUSE TYPICALLY WE TALK ABOUT INCREASES.

I AM HAPPY TO REPORT THAT SEVERAL YEARS AGO WITH THE MAY I DON'T REMEMBER'S HELP AND THE -- WITH THE MAY I DON'T REMEMBER'S HELP AND THE HAVE A STOCKPILE FOR PPE.

IN 2023 A $894,000 DECREASE UNDER SPECIAL DEPARTMENT SUPPLIES GENERAL SERVICES, ELECTRICITY AND GAS, AN INCREASE OPENING UP A NEW BUILDING. NOT REPLACING.

TECHNICALLY IT IS REPLACING US MOVING OUT OF THE OLD HEADQUARTERS STATION 41 WHICH IS QUICK REMINDER THAT IS NOW A FIRE STATION. IT HAS BEEN REMODELED.

WE ARE GRATEFUL FOR CLAY TOWNSHIP PARTNER WITH THE CITY AND FIRE DEPARTMENT TO REMODEL THAT STATION.

IT IS BEAUTIFUL. IN THE NEXT MONTH OR SO WE WILL HAVE A REDEDICATION CEREMONY OF THAT BUILDING WE MOVED OUT OF THE BUILDING AND ANTICIPATE AN INCREASE IN ALL OF OUR UTILITIES AND WE PROJECT IT ACCORDINGLY FOR THE 2023 BUDGET.

LET'S SEE. OTHER CONTRACTED SERVICES.

THAT IS AN INCREASE TO CLEAN THE BUILDING AND MAKE SURE THAT IT LOOKS NICE. ONE OTHER ITEMS. UNDER SUBSCRIPTIONS, A $41,000 INCREASE.

A GOOD BIT OF THE MONEY FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

WE ARE THE AMBULANCE TRANSPORT PROVIDER IN OUR COMMUNITY.

WE HAVE PARAMEDICS AND WE ACTUALLY DELIVER DRUGS TO OUR PATIENTS. WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GET DRUGS FROM THE HOSPITAL. WE WOULD GO TO THE PHARMACY AND THAT'S HOW WE GOT OUR DRUGS. IN THE NOT-SO-DISTANT FUTURE A PIXUS DISPENSING. YOU PUNCH IN YOUR PERSONAL CODE AND IT DELIVERS OUT AND A VERY TIGHT TRACKING SYSTEM.

SO WE WILL HAVE ONE OF THOSE IN THE NOT-SO-DISTANT FUTURE AND BUDG BUDGETED.

AND TO ANTICIPATE QUESTIONS ON THE 2020 BUDGET.

>>JEFF WORRELL: VERY GOOD. VERY TIGHT, THANKS.

I DON'T SEE ANY QUESTIONS, CHIEF.

YOU CAN MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE. >>THE NEXT ONE TO PULL UP, 102, THE AMBULANCE FUND. THE AMBULANCE FUND FOR 2023 WE ARE LOOKING AT A 4% DECREASE IN THAT BUDGET.

COUPLE OF ITEMS I WOULD JUST BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION UNDER FURNITURE. THERE WAS A $32,000 INCREASE TO PURCHASE SOME OFFICE FURNITURE AND TO FINISH OUT THE DORM ROOM SPACE IN THE REMODEL IN NATION 41.

THAT WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET WHEN THAT REMODEL PROJECT IS VERY TIGHT FINANCIALLY. AND WE WERE ABLE TO GET INDIVIDUAL DORMS FOR THE FIRE FIGHTERS.

THAT WAS THE BIG DEAL. INDIVIDUAL THERM STATS WHICH WAS A VERY BIG DEAL. THIS IS JUST TO FINISH OUT THAT PROJECT. COMMUNICATION EQUIPMENT.

I LIKE TO OCCASIONALLY LIKE TO POINT OUT REDUCTIONS.

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UNDER "OTHER EQUIPMENT." A $82,000 INCREASE IN THIS LINE ITEM. THAT IS TO PURCHASE THE SCBAS.

ESSENTIALLY THE AIR PACKS THAT THE FIRE FIGHTERS WEAR ON THEIR BACK. THEY ARE BECOMING OUT-OF-DATE.

THEY TYPICALLY HAVE A TEN-YEAR WARRANTY.

THEY ARE VERY EXPENSIVE TO WORK ON ONCE THEY ARE OUT OF WARRANTY. SO WE TRY TO REPLACE THEM EVERY TEN YEARS. WE ARE COMING UP.

THIS IS JUST OUR REPLACEMENT CYCLE THAT LOOKING AT.

WE ARE BUDGETING FOR AIR COMPRESSOR TO FILL THEM BACK UP.

SO THAT WILL BE -- ESSENTIALLY, THERE WILL BE A BOND PAYMENT ON THIS THAT WILL GO OUT OVER THE TEN-YEAR CYCLE.

THIS IS TO BE ABLE TO PAY FOR THAT NEW PROGRAM FOR THE SELF-CONTAINED BREATHING APPARATUS.

WITH THAT, I AM HAPPY TO TAKE QUESTIONS.

>>JEFF WORRELL: COUNCILOR HANNON.

>>TIM HANNON: QUICK, CHIEF. WHAT IS PAID OUT OF THIS FUND INSTEAD OF THE GENERAL FUND. THE BREATHING APPARATUS COULD HAVE BEEN OUT OF GENERAL. WHAT IS ALLOWABLE TO BE PAID OUT

OF THIS FUND? >> A GREAT QUESTION, COUNCILOR, SAFETY EQUIPMENT, HISTORICAL AND APPARATUS, AND IG THAT HAS TO DO WITH -- WITH THOSE CATEGORIES CAN BE PAID OUT OF THE AMBULANCE F FUND.

THE AMBULANCE FUND FOR PEOPLE LISTENING AT HOME A NONREVERTING FUND. WHEN SOMEBODY PAYS THEIR AMBULANCE BILL FOR BEING TRANSPORTED TO THE HOSPITAL, THAT MONEY GOES INTO THIS FUND. AND THIS FUND HAS VERY SPECIFIC LIMITATIONS. SO TRAINING MECHANISMS, SAFETY EQUIPMENT. SO NEXT YEAR WHEN I COME BACK BEFORE THE COUNCIL, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU WILL HEAR IN THE BUDGET IS THAT IT WILL BE REPLACING OUR TURN OUT SAFETY EQUIPMENT. THE COAT AND THE WANTS, WE TYPICALLY BOND THAT OVER A FIVE-YEAR PERIOD AND SOME OF THE EXAMPLES, TRUCKS, AMBULANCES COME OUT OF THIS FUND AS WELL AND PART OF THE RATIONALE. ONE THING THAT CAN'T COME OUT OF THE FUND IS PERSONNEL. THE WAY THE FUND IS DESIGNED PERSONNEL CANNOT BE OUT OF THIS FUND.

IF I HAD TO NARROW IT DOWN OF ONE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE

BUDGETS, IT IS THE PEOPLE. >> BECAUSE OF THE TERM CAPITAL.

>> YOU GO. >> THANK YOU, CHIEF.

>> OPERATING EXPENSES IN THE EXTENT THAT YOU ARE BUYING SAFETY EQUIPMENT OR EQUIPMENT. SOMETHING USED UP UNDER 12

MONTHS AS LONG AS THE EQUIPMENT. >> 802.

ALL RIGHT. 851.

851. 851 WOULD BE THE FIRE PENSION BUDGET. 9% INCREASE FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE FIRE PENSION BUDGET IS -- HANG ON.

I MAY HAVE TRANSPOSED SOME NUMBERS HERE.

OH, OKAY, ERROR ON THE FIRE CHIEF.

HAPPY FRIDAY, EVERYBODY. 802.

FIRE PENSION BUDGET. FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS IS, CALL POLICE -- ALL CARMEL POLICE AND FIRE MEMBERS ARE AUTOMATICALLY MEMBERS OF THE POLICE AND FIRE PENSION FUND.

STARTING IN 1977, ANYONE THAT WAS HIRED AFTER THAT IS AUTOMATICALLY ON THE 77 BEN SON WHO FUND.

ANYBODY PRIOR TO 1977 AND DID NOT CONVERT.

A STIPULATION YEARS AGO WHERE THE STATE ALLOWED PEOPLE TO CONVERT. THAT IS A LONG STORY, BUT THIS BUDGET IS ACTUALLY PAID BY THE CITY TO PEOPLE WHO ARE HIRED PRIOR TO 1977 THAT DID NOT CONVERT SO THERE ARE 14 EITHER ACTIVE RETIREES OR WIDOWS THAT RECEIVED MONEY FROM THIS FUND WHATEVER THE ADJUSTMENT THAT THE CITY MAKES WITH THE COST OF LIVING GETS FIGURED INTO THIS BUDGET AS WELL.

IT IS VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD. A SMALL INCREASE IN THERE FOR PENSION SECRETARY AND REST IS PAID OUT TO RETIREES AND WIDOWS.

WITH THAT I WOULD LIKE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS BUDGET.

>>JEFF WORRELL: WHAT, NO FINAL QUESTIONS?

CHIEF. >> GOING LAST HAS ITS

ADVANTAGES. >> I WILL TELL YOU PICKED UP SPEED TOWARD THE END. GREAT JOB.

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>> THANK YOU. JUST VERY QUICKLY.

I KNOW THAT THE LAST TWO DAYS HAVE BEEN BUSY AND MORE THAN TWO DAYS WITH ALL OF OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS GOING THROUGH THIS.

THERE IS A LOT OF PREMEETINGS THAT GO THROUGH THE BUDGET, ETC.

JUST ON BEHALF OF ALL THE MEMBERS OF PUBLIC SAFETY, YOU ARE PART OF OUR TEAM AS WELL. WHEN WE GO OUT AND DELIVER SERVICES, POLICE AND FIRE. IF WE DELIVER SERVICES IN OUR COMMUNITY, WE DELIVER THEM ON BEHALF OF ALL OF OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS. FOR THAT I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE WORK YOU DO EACH AND EVERY DAY.

>>JEFF WORRELL: THANK YOU TO EVERYONE THAT HUNG IN HERE WITH US. APPRECIATE -- AND I APPRECIATE ALL YOUR HELP, DIANE, JACOB, JIM.

GREAT JOB MAKING THIS ALL HAPPEN THIS YEAR.

I DIDN'T SEE ANY GLITCHES. DID ANYBODY ELSE? SO I THINK IT WAS VERY GOOD. THANK YOU TO THE TEAM.

ALL RIGHT, MAYOR.

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