Oct 03, 2022 City Council Meeting 10-03-22

[1. CALL TO ORDER]

[2. AGENDA APPROVAL]

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>> I WANT TO CALL THE MEETING OF THE CARMEL CITY COUNCIL MONDAY, OCTOBER 3 TO ORDER. WE WILL START WITH AGENDA

APPROVAL. >> MR. PRESIDENT I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TO REORDER OUR AGENDA TO PUT 13 A IN THE PLACE OF 12

A UNDER OLD BUSINESS. >> DO I HAVE A SECOND?

>> EVERYTHING TONIGHT IS BY ROLL CALL VOTE.

JACOB? PLEASE?

COUNSELOR GREEN? >> I HEARD.

>> I HEARD. >> COUNSELOR RIDER?

>> I. >> COUNSELOR NELSON.

>> I. >> COUNSELOR FOR INCOME.

>> I. >> EIGHT ÃZERO.

DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA?

>> SECOND. >> GREEN.

COUNSELOR RIDER? >> COUNSELOR WORLD? COUNSELOR SUE FINKAM. COUNSELOR BRUCE KIMBALL.

WHEN WE HAVE A REMOTE THAT'S WHY WE ARE DOING THAT TONIGHT.

[3. INVOCATION]

COMING. >> THANKS FOR HAVING ME.

GOOD EVENING FRIENDS. LET'S ASSUME AN ATTITUDE OF PRAYER. LOVING GOD WE PRAISE YOU AND THANK YOU FOR THE TIME YOU'VE GIVEN US IN THE PLACE YOU PUT US. LORD TODAY AS WE JOIN TOGETHER TO MAKE DECISIONS WE PRAY EVERYTHING WE SAY AND DO MIGHT BE PLEASING TO YOU. GIVE US THE PEACE THAT PASSES UNDERSTANDING AND WISDOM THAT COMES ONLY FROM YOU.

HELP US TO DO JUSTLY AND TO LOVE MERCIFULLY AND TO WALK HUMBLY WITH EACH OTHER AND WITH YOU.

LORD KEEP US MINDFUL OF THOSE WHO ARE NOT IN THIS ROOM OF PEOPLE WE SERVE AND KEEP US MINDFUL OF THE HOMELESS AND THE HUNGRY AND THE ORPHAN AND THE WIDOW AND THOSE DEALING WITH INJURIES AND ELEMENTS WHO ARE STRUGGLING WITH THE WINDS AND THE WAVES AND KEEP US MINDFUL OF THE ONE WHO CALMS THE STORM.

E PRAY THAT EVERYTHING THAT MIGHT HAPPEN TODAY AND AS WE GO FORWARD IN OUR LIVES WOULD BE PLEASING TO YOU AND HELP US TO SERVE OTHERS AS WE SERVE YOU. FOR THIS AND ALL THINGS WE WILL PRAISE YOU AND ASK ON JESUS NAME.

[4. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]

>> THANK YOU. PLEASE RISE FOR THE NATIONAL ANTHEM. COME THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

>> ARE YOU SINGING THE NATIONAL ANTHEM?

>> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

[5. RECOGNITION OF CITY EMPLOYEES AND OUTSTANDING CITIZENS]

>> NEXT WE HAVE RECOGNITION OF CITY EMPLOYEES AND OUTSTANDING CITIZENS. WE HAVE A PROCLAMATION.

COUNSELOR LAURA CAMPBELL THIS IS FOR YOU.

CAN YOU READ IT FROM REMOTE? >> NO I WAS HOPING COUNSELOR JEFF WORRELL WOULD READ IT AND I WILL TALK ABOUT THE DISABILITY EMPLOYMENT AWARENESS MONTH IN CARMEL.

>> THANK YOU COUNSELOR LAURA CAMPBELL.

THIS IS CITY OF CARMEL PROCLAMATION AS OCTOBER 22 BOXES 77 ANNIVERSARY OF NATIONAL DISABILITY EMPLOYMENT AWARENESS MONTH AND WHEREAS THE PURPOSE OF NATIONAL DISABILITY EMPLOYMENT AWARENESS MONTH IS TO EDUCATE ABOUT DISABILITY EMPLOYMENT ISSUES AND CELEBRATE THE MANY AND VARIED CONTRIBUTIONS OF AMERICA'S WORKERS WITH DISABILITIES AND WHEREAS THE HISTORY OF NATIONAL DISABILITY EMPLOYMENT AWARENESS MONTH TRACES BACK TO 1945. WHEN CONGRESS ENACTED A LAW DECLARING THE FIRST WEEK IN OCTOBER EACH YEAR NATIONAL EMPLOYEE THE PHYSICALLY HANDICAPPED WEEK AND WHEREAS IN 1962 THE WORD PHYSICALLY WAS REMOVED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE EMPLOYMENT NEEDS AND CONTRIBUTIONS OF INDIVIDUALS WITH ALL TYPES OF DISABILITIES. AND WHEREAS IN 1988 CONGRESS EXPANDED THE WEEK TO A MONTH AND CHANGE THE NAME TO NATIONAL DISABILITY EMPLOYMENT AWARENESS MONTH AND WHEREAS IN 2019 THE CITY OF CARMEL CREATED THE CARMEL ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON DISABILITY FOR THE PURPOSE OF FOSTERING A CULTURE OF INCLUSIVITY AND TO ENRICH THE LIVES OF PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES, THEIR FAMILIES AND CAREGIVERS WITHIN THE CITY OF CARMEL AND WHEREAS WORKPLACES WELCOMING OF THE

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INCLUDING INDIVIDUALS WITH DISABILITIES.

WHEREAS THE CITY OF CARMEL CALL UPON EMPLOYERS, SCHOOLS AND OTHER COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS IN THE CITY OF CARMEL TO OBSERVE OCTOBER WITH APPROPRIATE PROGRAMS AND ACTIVITIES AND TO ENHANCE AND ADVANCE ITS IMPORTANT MESSAGE THAT PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES ADD VALUE AND TALENT TO OUR WORKPLACE AND COMMUNITIES. NOW THEREFORE I JAMES BRAINARD MAYOR OF THE CITY OF CARMEL INDIANA DO HEREBY PROCLAIM OCTOBER 2022 AS NATIONAL DISABILITY EMPLOYMENT AWARENESS MONTH. THANK YOU TO COUNSELOR LAURA

CAMPBELL. >> THANK YOU COUNSELOR JEFF WORRELL FOR READING THE PROCLAMATION.

JACOB HAS A FLYER I THINK HE CAN PUT UP ON THE SCREEN AND THE CARMEL ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON DISABILITY IS COHOSTING ALONG WITH VULNERABILITY IN THE ONE'S OWN CHAMBER AND ABOUT COMMUNITY SERVICES AND INVENT THE WORKSHOP FOR LOCAL EMPLOYERS, HUMAN RESOURCE DIRECTORS, MANAGERS ON OCTOBER 27 FROM 8:30 TO 10:30 IN THE MORNING AT THE BRAUN ABILITY OFFICES. THE TITLE OF THIS WORKSHOP IS YOU NEED WORKERS AND THEY WANT TO WORK AND AS MANY BUSINESSES ARE STRUGGLING TO ATTAIN AND ATTRACT EMPLOYEES IN THE CURRENT HIRING CLIMATE, THERE IS A SEGMENT OF THE POPULATION THAT IS READY TO WORK. THOSE ARE PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES. SO AT THIS WORKSHOP WE WILL HAVE A SPECIAL WELCOME FROM MAYOR JAMES BRAINARD AND LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR SUZANNE CROUCH WE WILL DISCUSS WITH LOCAL EMPLOYERS THE BENEFITS OF HIRING PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES. WHY THEY WISH THEY HAD HIRED PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES SOONER AND ALSO SHARE RESOURCES AND ACCOMMODATIONS. A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE LOCAL EMPLOYERS ARE NOT AWARE OF WHAT ACCOMMODATIONS NEED TO BE MADE.

IT IS REALLY NOT COMPLICATED AND THERE ARE GOING TO BE PEOPLE FROM WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT AND THE STATE VOCATIONAL REHAB DEPARTMENTS TO DISCUSS ALL OF THIS.

IT IS UP ON THE SCREEN AND IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FEEL FREE TO CONTACT ME. IT WILL ALSO BE IN THIS WEEK'S CITY NEWSLETTER. THANK YOU.

[6. RECOGNITION OF PERSONS WHO WISH TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL]

>> THANK YOU COUNSELOR LAURA CAMPBELL.

NEXT WE HAVE RECOGNITION OF PERSONS WHO WISH TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL BLUE CURRENT SECTION. WE HAVE ONE.

JILL MEISENHEIMER JOE I WILL NOT EXPLAIN THE RULES BECAUSE I

THINK YOU KNOW W THEM. >> DO I HAVE TO TURN IT UP?

>> YOU ARE GOOD. >> MY NAME IS JILL MEISENHEIMER AND I WRITE THE CARMEL CITIZENS RESPONSIBLE FOR ZONING EMAILS AND I'VE BEEN FOLLOWING THE VIEW WITH THE CITY COUNCIL AND I THINK PLAN COMMISSION SAID COUNSEL FOR SPECIFIC CHANGES THEY MADE TO THE JUDICIAL DRAFT.

I SUPPORT THE AMENDMENTS APPROVED AT THE LAST COMMITTEE MEETING. THIS COMPETENT REVISION WILL HAVE HARMFUL EFFECTS ON CARMEL ESTABLISH SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED RESIDENTIAL AREAS, NEIGHBORHOODS AND FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE MOVING THERE.

THIS PLAN TENDS, APPEARS TO BE OPEN ENDED ENCOURAGING RAPID POPULATION GROWTH AND THE SPREAD OF MORE INTENSE URBAN DEVELOPMENT NEXT TO AND WITHIN CARAMELS EXISTING LOW DENSITY SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES TO SUBURBAN AREAS AND NEIGHBORHOODS.

THIS PLAN STILL HAS NO STATEMENT TO INCLUDE NEARBY RESIDENTS EARLY IN THE PROCESS OF DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS AND SUB AREA PLANS. WHEN THE INPUT COULD BE MORE LIKELY TO INCLUDE, INFLUENCE THE OUTCOME.

CURRENTLY MOST RESIDENTS DO NOT EVEN KNOW ABOUT THESE PLANS UNTIL IT IS TOO LATE FOR THEM TO OBTAIN MEANINGFUL CHANGES NEAR AND EVEN WITHIN ESTABLISH SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND NEIGHBORHOODS THIS PLAN PROMOTES INCREASED BUILDING HEIGHT LIKE 3 TO 6 STORY BUILDINGS LOOKING DOWN ON ONE OR TWO-STORY HOMES, INCREASED LOT COVERAGE AND SMALL LOTS AND SETBACKS NEEDS LESS GREEN SPACE AND PRIVACY.OMMERCIAL

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THE WORD DENSITY IS PURPOSELY NOT MENTIONED BECAUSE THIS PLAN PROMOTES METHODS OF INCREASING DENSITY TO SUPPORT LUCRATIVE COMMERCIAL AND CROWDED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.HIS PLAN PUSHES FORM BUILDING APPEARANCE IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN FUNCTION, COMPATIBLE USES NEXT TO HOMEOWNERS THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT MOST HOMEOWNERS VALUE. JUST BECAUSE A BUILDING IS MADE TO LOOK SIMILAR TO A HOUSE DOES NOT REMOVE THE UNDESIRABLE EFFECT OF INCOMPATIBLE USE. THIS PLAN MENTIONS TREE PRESERVATION BUT HAS NO PLAN FOR MEANINGFUL ENFORCEMENT.

EXISTING ZONING REQUIRES MUCH MORE TREE PRESERVATION THAN APPROVED PUD RESULTS WIDELY SPACED SMALL SPACE TREES ARE NOT EQUIVALENT REPLACEMENT FOR MATURE WOODLANDS ECOSYSTEM.

NUMBER AND SIZE ARE FUNCTION. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AN AMENDMENT THAT AS DEVELOPERS REVIEW OF ECOSYSTEMS BEFORE THE PLAN COMMISSION PROCESS BEGINS MOST ESTABLISH CARMEL HOMEOWNERS ARE OKAY WITH MORE URBAN DOWNTOWN AREA WHERE THEY CAN CHOOSE TO GO BUT MOST DO NOT WANT TO LIVE IN THOSE SURROUNDINGS CURRENT AND POTENTIAL HOMEOWNERS CANNOT AND SHOULD NOT TRUST ZONING TO PROVIDE COMPATIBLE DEVELOPMENT NEAR THEM. THIS PLAN ESSENTIALLY FORCES CARAMELS ESTABLISH HOMEOWNERS AGAINST EVERY DEVELOPMENT PROPOSED NEAR THEM BECAUSE THE DEVELOPMENTS WILL BE RESULTS THAT NEGATE CURRENT LESS INTENSIVE ZONING I WILL NOT BE COMPATIBLE WITH EXISTING SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED HOMES AND THEIR SURROUNDINGS. THE DOCS AND SOME COUNSELORS DOWNPLAY CONCERNING STATEMENTS IN THIS PLAN BY ASSURING HOMEOWNERS THIS IS A GUIDE BUT THIS NEW PLAN WILL DETERMINE DEVELOPMENT APPROVALS BECAUSE THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS WILL BE CHANGED TO MATCH THIS PLAN. THANK YOU FOR LISTENING AND I

[7. COUNCIL AND MAYORAL COMMENTS/OBSERVATIONS]

>> THANK YOU NEXT WE HAVE COUNSEL MAYOR AND OBSERVATIONS MR. MERRILL? COUNSELOR SUE FINKAM?

>> I WANT TO ORGANIZE THE CITY STAFF WHO WORK SO HARD THESE PAST FEW WEEKS ON WEEKLY EVENTS BETWEEN PORCH BEST IN THE ART POSSIBLE AND OKTOBERFEST AND LIVE ON MAINE WE HAVE A NEW ONE COMING UP OCTOBER 8. WE HAVE PEOPLE PROMOTING THE EVENTS AND PEOPLE WORKING WITH MEDIA AND CITY DEPARTMENT AND STREET DEPARTMENT SETTING UP THE CITY AND POLICE AND FIRE MAKING SURE WE ARE SAFE SO I WANT TO SAY THANKS TO EVERYBODY I PROBABLY MIXED A GROUP SOMEWHERE.

NO OFFENSE INTENDED BUT INCREDIBLE NUMBER OF PEOPLE INVOLVED ALL MONTH LONG. CTOBER WILL CONTINUE.

I JUST WANT TO PERSONALLY AND PROFESSIONALLY SAY THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU COUNSELOR SUE FINKAM.

I WANT TO ADD MEG OSBORNE AND HER GROUP TO THAT AS WELL.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? MOVING ON.

[8. CONSENT AGENDA]

$19,145.85. >> MOVED TO APPROVE.

>> SECOND. >> JACOB?

>> COUNSELOR GREEN? >> COUNSELOR KEVIN RIDER?

>> COUNSELOR NELSON? >> COUNSELOR SUE FINKAM?

EIGHT ÃZERO THANK YOU. >> ACTION OF MERRILL BOATS WE

[10. COMMITTEE REPORTS]

HAVE NONE COUNSELOR WORLD? >> WE DID MEET ON WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 28. AND HAD A ROBUST AGENDA.

FIVE ISSUES ON OUR AGENDA AND EACH OF THOSE ARE RETURNING AND I WILL DISCUSS THEM AT EACH TIME ON THE AGENDA.

LET'S THANK YOU VERY MUCH. LAND-USE SPECIAL STUDIES

COUNSELOR LAURA CAMPBELL? >> THANK YOU MR. PRESIDENT WE HAVE NOT MET SINCE THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REMAINS IN THE COMMITTEE IF YOU PULL THAT FROM COMMITTEE TODAY I WILL GIVE A FULL REPORT.

[11. OTHER REPORTS]

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OTHER REPORTS REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION? MR. MAJESKI?

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>> GOOD EATING CITY COUNCIL REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION.

I WILL QUICKLY GO THROUGH LAST MONTH.

END OF THE MONTH BALANCES IN AUGUST WERE GOOD.

ABOUT 6.7 MILLION OF UNRESTRICTED FUNDS AND 15 AND HALF MILLION TOTAL FUNDS. 2022 PROJECTS CONTINUE MOVING FULL SPEED AHEAD. THE RENT AND WINDSOR AND CITY CENTER. AS I MENTIONED LAST TIME BECAME ONE OF YOUR KITCHEN IS NOT OPEN AT PROSCENIUM.

THE LOGIC IS USED TO GET BUILT OUT.

ALSO PROGRESS FIRST ON MAIN AND THEY STARTED PUTTING UP STILL FOR THE OFFICE BUILDING. IT IS EXCITING TO SEE HOW QUICKLY THE CORNER IS CHANGING. MAGNOLIAS FIRST FLASK CONCEPT IS GETTING FAC'ADE TREATMENT. MOVING QUICKLY.

LOTS OF PROGRESS AT THE CORNER EVERY TIME.

THEY ARE CONTINUING TO MOVE FORWARD.

SAME WITH THE SIGNATURE PROJECT.

AS MENTIONED BEFORE PARKING GARAGE IS NOW OPEN.

CONSTRUCTION CONTINUES ON HAMILTON CROSSING.

PROSCENIUM SHOULD BE STARTING SOON.

WITH THAT I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ARE ALSO PROVIDE THE REPORT FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY.

IF THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE THAT. > COUNSEL, ANY QUESTIONS?

THANK YOU SIR. >> I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF BROUGHT BUSH PRESIDENT OF THE AUTHORITY WAS IN THE AUDIENCE TODAY. REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY MEETS AS NEEDED AND THEY HAD A MEETING JUST LAST WEEK.

TO APPROVE THE LEASE RENTAL BONDS AND THE ROAD BONDS AND THAT'S A REQUIRED STEP BEFORE COUNSEL CAN APPROVE.

THAT MEETING TOOK PLACE LAST WEEK.

THAT IS ALL FOR THE CRA REPORT. >> THANK YOU.

NEXT COUNSEL ANY QUESTIONS? CARMEL TILLICH MEDICATIONS.

WELCOME SIR. >> IN THE SPIRIT OF KEEPING IT SHORT, I GAVE YOU AN EXECUTIVE SUMMARY ON TOP OF THE DETAILED REPORT. IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT IT FEEL FREE TO REFER TO THE REST OF THE REPORT.

TO KEEP US GOING QUICKLY LET ME SEE HERE.

BASICALLY EVERYTHING IS REALLY GOOD WITH CARAMEL AS FAR AS DIGITAL PRESENCE, TELECOMMUNICATIONS, PROGRAMMING AND ALL OF THAT. SPECTRUM WAS AWARDED A GRANT, THE STATE HAS AWARDED SPECTRUM AND ALL PROVIDERS TO GRANT TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL BANDWIDTH SUPPORT, THE INTERNET CONNECTION TO ALL PEOPLE IN THE STATE OF INDIANA.

AT A MUCH REDUCED COST. HOWEVER IT DOESN'T APPLY MUCH TO CARMEL BECAUSE WE ARE GRACED TO HAVE ENOUGH OF CITIZENRY THAT CAN AFFORD IT. HOWEVER THERE ARE SOME IN CARMEL THAT CANNOT AFFORD IT. WE ARE BLESSED TO HAVE THAT.

SPECTRUM IS ALSO SUPPORTING THE ADOPTION, WAIT A MINUTE THAT IS THE SAME THING. COMCAST, JIM BURTON IS OUR NEW REPRESENTATIVE ON OUR COMMISSION.

COMCAST IS PARTNERED WITH THE RULE COMMISSION TO HELP FULFILL PROVISION IN RURAL AREAS WITH BANDWIDTH AND AGAIN THEY ALL ARE DOING THAT. METRONET IS TOM DECKERS, PARTIFICIAL REPRESENTATIVE FROM METRONET AND AS YOU CAN SEE HE COMPLETED ALL THE MAJOR BUILD OUTS IN CARMEL.

THEY ARE VERY HAPPY WITH IT. IN SHORT, AT&T IS BIG NEWS.

AT&T NO LONGER OFFERS VIDEO PROGRAMMING SERVICES.

THEY HAVE BEEN PURCHASED BY COMCAST.

NOT COMCAST, DISH TV. DIRECTV.

DIRECTV IS NOW PAYING THE FRANCHISE FEES.

THEY ARE PAYING A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF OUR FRANCHISE FEES.

IN FACT, THE CITY OF CARMEL THIS YEAR TO DATE HAS RECEIVED

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DIRECTV IS 100,000 OF THAT. YOU CAN SEE THEY ARE DEFINITELY BILLING UP. WE CONTINUE TO HAVE HIGH DEATH CARRIAGE. ALL THE PRESENT PROVIDERS PROVIDE HIGH DEATH SERVICE TO THE CABLE.

OF COURSE ARE STREAMING PLATFORMS, WE ALL KNOW STREAMING IS HERE. MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE WATCHING THIS MAY BE IN FACT WATCHING IT BY TERNET.

THAT CONCLUDES THE REPORT OF OUR LE AND TELECOMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION. I WELCOME ANY QUESTIONS YOU

MIGHT HAVE. >> THANK YOU.

WINSTON LONG I DID NOT MENTION YOUR NAME BUT I ASSUME EVERYBODY KNOWS YOU. BROOKWOOD I KNOW I TALK TO YOU ABOUT BERKSHIRE VILLAGE. DID I HOOK YOU UP WITH THEIR PRESIDENT OR NOT? I WILL GIVE YOU THAT INFORMATION. I WILL PUT THAT ON MY CALENDAR THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR WINSTON? COUNSELOR SUE FINKAM?

>> YOU INCLUDE A MAP TO THE SMALL CELL TOWERS APPROVED.

ARE THE ONES IMPROVED INSTALLED AT THIS POINT?> YOU WILL SEE ON THE MAP THERE ARE SOME IN BLUE THAT ARE PENDING.

>> THEY WILL SAY APPROVED? BOX THEY ARE IMPROVED BUT NOT

INSTALLED. >> THAT'S WHAT I WASN'T SURE HOW MANY WERE IN PLACE. THE PROPOSED ONES ARE JUST

GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS. >> I WILL SAY CARMEL HAS THE HIGHEST PENETRATION OF INTERNET CONNECTIVITY AND DEMAND OF ANY CITY ON RECORD IN THE STATE OF INDIANA.

WE HAVE SOMETHING TO BE PROUD OF.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. I MEAN COUNCILMAN.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS I WOULD BE GLAD TO COME ANY

QUESTIONS? >> I THINK WE ARE GOOD THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. NEXT WITH A REORDERED AGENDA.

[13. PUBLIC HEARINGS (Part 1 of 2) ]

MOTION? NO? MOTION? THANK YOU.

THE SECOND ALL RIGHT MR. MAYOR? READ THE SYNOPSIS FOR US.

>> THIS ESTABLISHES 2023 APPROPRIATIONS TO THE CITY OF CARMEL. MR. MAYOR?

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. PUTTING TOGETHER THE BUDGET EACH YEAR IS A TIME-CONSUMING AND CAREFUL TASK.

I WANT TO THANK ALL THE DEPARTMENT HEADS, ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF AND THE PCONTROLS OFFICE AND CONSULTANT FROM THE PRIVATE SECTOR THAT HELP US WITH THIS EVERY YEAR.

IT IS APPROACHING CLOSE TO $200 MILLION AS THE CITY GROWS.

WE HAVE INFLATION. PTHE GOOD NEWS IS THE COUNCIL HAS THE ABILITY TO SET THE TAX RATE.

OUR RATE COMBINED WITH OTHER TAX AND JURISDICTIONS IN THIS AREA MAKE IT ONE OF THE LOWEST RATES ANYWHERE.

ACROSS THE COUNTRY FOR THE QUALITY SERVICES THE CITY DELIVERS. A FEW HIGHLIGHTS ARE ROAD PAVING SYSTEM IS FULLY FUNDED. AS YOU KNOW WE HAD EXTENSIVE BUDGET WORKSHOPS THAT WAY FOR TWO MORNINGS RECENTLY.

OVERALL THE NUMBERS HAVEN'T CHANGED AND THERE'S ONE SLIGHT CHANGE I WANT TO BRING TO THE COUNCIL AND OTHER DISCUSSIONS WITH EMPLOYER REPRESENTATIVES HAD ORIGINALLY PROPOSED FIVE PERCENT BASE COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT AND THREE PERCENT ONE-TIME BONUS BECAUSE OF THE HIGH INFLATION THE ENTIRE WESTERN WORLD IS SEEING RIGHT NOW.

AFTER DISCUSSIONS WITH THE EMPLOYEES WE CHANGED IT.

CHANGE THE DOLLARS THIS YEAR BUT WE CHANGED IT TO SIX PERCENT INCREASE IN THE BASE AND TO PRESENT ONE-TIME BONUS.

WE ARE STILL IN THE PRESENT BUT INSTEAD OF FIVE PERCENT BASE THREE PERCENT 86 PERCENT BASE AND TWO PERCENT BONUS.

THAT'S BEEN THE ONLY MAJOR CHANGE OR THE ONLY CHANGE THAT I KNOW OF SINCE THE BUDGET WORKSHOPS.

THE BUDGET HAS TO BE APPROVED NOVEMBER 1 OR THE STATE GIVES US LAST YEARS BUDGET. MR. CUNHA AND JOSC) TO ANSWER

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THEY ARE CUMULATIVE LEVEES THAT IMPACT WHAT WE DO AS A CITY.

OF COURSE THE BUDGETS HAVE BEEN PREPARED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE STATE RULES AND REQUIREMENTS. I FEEL VERY GOOD ABOUT THE BUDGET. WE ARE FUNDING ALL THE MAJOR THINGS THAT NEED TO BE FUNDED. WE ARE TAKING CARE OF OUR EMPLOYEES. THE CITY WILL PROGRESS AND BE ABLE TO CONTINUE WITH THE BUDGET TO OFFER THE FIRST RATE SERVICES THAT OUR CITIZENS EXPECT AND HAVE EXPERIENCED.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? >> COUNSEL ANY QUESTIONS FOR

THE MAYOR? >> THANK YOU MR. PRESIDENT.

IF WE ARE DOING THE SIX PERCENT BASE AND THREE PERCENT BONUS? TWO PERCENT BONUS? SIX PERCENT BASE AND TWO PERCENT BONUS, IN THE FUTURE YEARS I KNOW IT IS HARD TO PREDICT WHAT INFLATION WOULD BE LIKE BUT WHAT WOULD BE THE GAME

PLAN? >> I SHOULD MENTION THAT OUR CONTRACTS INFLATION, WE'VE AGREED TO THE MAJOR POINTS AND WILL BE PRESENTED, SHOULD BE PRESENTED TO THE COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION AT THE NEXT MEETING FIRST READING.

I THINK THAT WAS COUNSELOR SUE FINKAM THAT SUGGESTED WE OUGHT TO DO THAT AT THE SAME TIME. IT WAS A GOOD IDEA.

WE SHOULD BE. I CAN'T PREDICT INFLATION COUNSELOR. WE'VE DONE IN THE AGREEMENTS THE POLICE AND FIRE IS DEPARTMENT OF LABOR STATISTICS, IF IT IS WITHIN THE RANGE WE GO WITH THREE PERCENT AND OUTSIDE

THE RANGE WE HAVE DISCUSSIONS. >> I GUESS MY QUESTION IS ARE WE GET IN EVERYONE FULLY CAUGHT UP WITH THIS DO YOU THINK?

>> IT IS HARD TO KNOW WHERE INFLATION WILL BE.

WE CAN DO A 12 MONTH TRAILING AVERAGE.

AS OF TODAY WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT WILL BE LATER AT THE END OF OCTOBER AND NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER.

YES I BELIEVE WE ARE DOING MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE IN THE COUNTY.

FISHER IS BEHIND US BY ONE PERCENTAGE POINT AND OTHER JURISDICTIONS ARE FAR BEHIND US.

THEY ALSO DID A RECLASSIFICATION OF MOST OF THEIR DECISIONS. WE DO THAT EVERY SO OFTEN WITH OUTSIDE CONSULTING FIRM FROM OUT-OF-STATE.

LOOKING AT OTHER COMMITTEES VERY SIMILAR TO CARMEL IN TERMS OF SERVICES AND INCOME AND BUSINESS AND RESIDENTIAL MIX.

CITIES LIKE US IN OTHER WORDS AROUND THE MIDWEST AND SOUTH.

IN THE HUMAN RESOURCE DEPARTMENT BUDGET WE HAVE FUNDS TO DO THAT STUDY NEXT YEAR. THAT WILL GIVE US SOME GUIDANCE AS TO WHAT WE DO IN THE FUTURE AS THE POSITION RECLASSIFICATION. EVERY FEW YEARS IT IS GOOD TO LOOK AT THAT BUT I CAN'T PREDICT INFLATION.

IF IT COMES IN BETWEEN THAT RANGE WE'VE HAD FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS IN THE EMPLOYEE CONTRACTS IT WILL BE THREE PERCENT.

IF IT FALLS OUTSIDE THE RANGE WE WILL RETURN TO THE NEGOTIATING TABLE BUT I CAN'T PREDICT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE NEXT 12 YEARS. I WOULD BE FOOLISH TO DO THAT

GIVEN WHAT WE'VE EXPERIENCED. >> OKAY.

>> IF YOU KNOW COUNSELOR THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE ON WALL STREET THAT PAY YOU A LOT OF MONEY TO TELL THEM.

>> MAYOR, I APPRECIATE YOUR ANSWER.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WOULD KNOW THIS BUT WHAT WAS THE INFLATION OF THE UNITED STATES IN GENERAL OVER THE LAST YEAR?

>> AGAIN THERE'S MANY DIFFERENT ONES CONSUMER INFLATION AT MIDWEST MEMBERS AND THOSE WESTERN NUMBERS.

THE OVERALL NUMBER I SAW ABOUT A WEEK AGO WAS AVERAGE ACROSS THE COUNTRY WHICH WAS 8.6 PERCENT.

>> THAT'S THE POINT I WANT TO MAKE IT WAS ABOUT EIGHT PERCENT ACROSS THE BOARD SO A LOT OF MUNICIPALITIES ARE RAISING TO KEEP PACE SO SIX PERCENT IS PROBABLY YOU KNOW REASONABLE

WHEN YOU FIGURE EVERYTHING IN. >> A COUPLE THINGS.

THE WAR IN UKRAINE IMPACTED FUEL PRICES AS WELL AS GAS PRICES TREMENDOUSLY. IF THAT WERE TO BE RESOLVED WE MAY SEE SUBSTANTIAL BALLS THAT BRING THE 8.6 NUMBER DOWN.

THAT NATIONAL NUMBER IS NOT WHAT WE USE FOR THE MIDWEST W.

I CAN'T RECALL EXACTLY IT IS VERY SIMILAR TO THAT NATIONAL NUMBER. VERY CLOSE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE MAYOR?

>> OR FOR MR. COONROD? OKAY.

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DON'T RUN EACH OTHER OVER. I DON'T SEE A RUSH.

I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 6:30:46.

THAT WAS QUICK. ONE OF THE REASONS WE MOVED THIS UP IS BECAUSE WE HAVE CONSULTANTS HERE WE PAY A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY TO AND WITHOUT HAVING THEM SIT HERE FOR AN HOUR AND HALF WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE TO PUT IT AT THE BEGINNING SO THAT'S WHY WE DID THAT.

THIS WILL BE HELD OVER AND NOT GO TO COMMITTEE AND ESSAYS WITH THE COMMITTEE THE ENTIRE COUNSEL.

PER THE STATUE OF THE CITY. WE WILL DEAL WITH THIS AT THE NEXT MEETING. NEXT OLD BUSINESS RESOLUTION CC 041822 01 REVOLUTION OF THE COMMON COUNCIL CITY OF CARMEL INDIANA ADOPTING THE CARMEL CONFERENCE OF PLANS AND SPONSOR IS COUNSELOR KEVIN RIDER LAND USE AND AS PRESIDENT I'M GOING TO PULL THIS COMMITTEE WITHOUT OBJECTION.

I'M GOING TO PULL IT WITH OBJECTION.

WE ARE DOING WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

YES ADRIAN? THANK YOU.

COUNSELOR CAMPBELL? WOULD YOU LIKE TO GIVE US A

COMMITTEE REPORT? >> YES THANK YOU MR. PRESIDENT.

THE LAND USE AND SPECIAL STUDIES COMMITTEE MET NUMEROUS TIMES, FOUR TIMES. THE LAST TIME WE MET WAS SEPTEMBER 19. ADRIAN SENT ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL THE DRAFT SIX PBF. WE MADE SEVERAL AMENDMENTS AND PASSED SEVERAL AMENDMENTS AND I REALLY WANT TO THANK ADRIAN FOR ALL OF HER WORK ON THIS. SHE'S DONE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WORK AND IS KEPT US ON TASK AS WELL.

AND AFTER I READ INTO THE RECORD, THE AMENDMENTS THAT WERE MADE, THERE ARE SOME AMENDMENTS WE DISCUSSED BUT WE DID NOT MAKE A MOTION ON SO WE WILL NEED TO DO THAT AFTER I READ THESE INTO THE RECORD. STARTING WITH PAGE 18 IN THE DRAFT SIX. WE ADDED 1.3.7 PROTECT SINGLE-FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS FROM DISSIMILAR ADJACENT USES WITH RESPECT TO SCALE OF BUILDINGS.

BUILDING MATERIALS, LIGHTING, NOISE AND OTHER INCOMPATIBLE IMPACTS. ON PAGE 20, WE AMENDED 1.5.6 TO READ AS FOLLOWS ENCOURAGE ELECTRICAL AND COMMUNICATION WAS ADDED UTILITY LINES TO BE BURIED THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY AND WE ADDED TO IMPROVE SAFETY, ESPECIALLY IN THE URBANIZING AREAS. MUST BE GIVEN TO LOCATION OF UNDERGROUND BE ADDED AND ABOVEGROUND EQUIPMENT.

SO PEDESTRIAN INFRASTRUCTURE IS NOT PRECLUDED BY COMPLEX WITH THESE POWER FACILITIES. PAGE 22 WE ADDED 1.6.17.

ENCOURAGE THE RESPONSIBLE USE OF ENERGY THE CONSERVATION OF ELECTRICITY IN THE NIGHTTIME LIGHTING OF NONRESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS AFTER NORMAL HOURS OF OPERATION.

ON PAGE 23 WE AMENDED 1.7.6 ENCOURAGE MIXED-USE NEIGHBORHOODS AND WE ADDED WHERE APPROPRIATE TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR PEOPLE ETC.. ON PAGE 40 THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN MAP. 146 STREET WE REMOVED THE TYPICAL CORNER FROM OAK RIDGE RD.

TO US-31. COLLEGE AVENUE REMOVED TYPICAL CORRIDOR, 116TH ST. TO 108TH ST. AND FROM 104TH ST. TO 96TH ST.. 96 STREET REMOVED THE TYPICAL CORRIDOR FROM TOWN ROAD TWO MAY 4, 1965.

THOSE ARE ALL ON DRAFT SIX. ON PAGE 57, THE DOOR FOR PLAN MAP WE REMOVED THE PROPOSED LOCAL ROAD BETWEEN WORLD ROAD AND CLAY TER., BOULEVARD. PWE ALSO REMOVED THE PROPOSED ARTERIAL BETWEEN COLLEGE AVENUE AND WESTVILLE BOULEVARD.

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THE ITEMS THAT WE DISCUSSED AND THE OBJECTIONS WERE RAISED BUT WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADD THEM.

MR. PRESIDENT AT THIS TIME I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADD THESE ITEMS. WE WOULD LIKE TO ADD THE MULTIUSE PATH ALONG HABER STICK BETWEEN 96 AND 99TH.

AT THE MULTIUSE PATH ALONG MAIN FROM RICHLAND TO KEYSTONE.

ADD THE MULTIUSE PATH ALONG ILFORD SOUTH OF MERIDIAN.

ADD THE MULTIUSE PATH ALONG COLLEGE DRIVE FROM 10 TO 116TH.

AT THE MULTIUSE PATH ALONG THE 99TH FROM WESTFIELD TO KEYSTONE. THAT IS THE END OF THE MOTION.

>> SECOND TO MOTION. >> UNQUESTIONING PARLIAMENTARIAN. DO WE WANT TO JUST ADD THESE TWO THE LIST AND SEE IF ANYBODY OBJECTS AND DO THIS ONCE?

WE HAVE A COUPLE MORE ALSO. >> SHE HAS THE MOTION.

>> A MOTION TO SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS ON THESE BEFORE WE VOTE? NONE?

>> JACOB? >> COUNSELOR GREEN? COUNSELOR KEVIN RIDER? COUNSELOR SUE FINKAM? COUNSELOR LAURA CAMPBELL? EIGHT ÃZERO.

>> THOSE ARE APPROVED. MOVING ON.

COUNSELOR LAURA CAMPBELL DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD?

>> NO, I DO NOT. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO BE RECOGNIZED?

COUNSELOR SUE FINKAM? >> I PROPOSE PAGE 34 WHICH IS THE WHITE RIVER AREA. LET ME GO TO THE PAGE.

ADRIAN AND I TALKED ABOUT LANGUAGE.

DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING PROPOSED? UNDER MAX HEIGHT IT SAYS MAX HEIGHT STORIES READS TO GREATER THAN THE ADJACENT PATTERN MAXIMUM OF THREE STORIES ALONG THE RIVER AND MAXIMUM OF SIX STORIES ALONG 96 STREET AND EAST WERE SCORED WITH GAZE.

I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND THAT TO SAY TO GREATER THAN ADJACENT PATTERN WITH THE FOLLOWING EXCEPTIONS.

MAXIMUM OF ONE STORY ALONG THE RIVER.

MAXIMUM OF SIX STORIES ALONG 96 STREET TO REMOVE EAST WEST QUARTER GATEWAYS. IT WOULD READ MAXIMUM OF ONE STORY ALONG THE RIVER AND MAXIMUM OF SIX STORIES ALONG 96

STREET. >> DO I HAVE A SECOND?

>> SECOND. >> ANY DISCUSSION?

>> COUNSELOR JEFF WORRELL? >> WHAT KIND OF HEIGHT IS THAT? I HEAR PLAN COMMISSION A LOT OF TIMES THERE'S A DIFFERENCE AND

STORIES VERSUS HEIGHT? >> WE HAD THE DISCUSSION EARLIER AS FAR AS FEET OR HEIGHT OR STORIES AND I WENT WITH WHAT WAS IN HERE WHICH WAS STORIES.

IT DID NOT SAY SPECIFICALLY HOW MANY FEET THAT WAS BY STORY.

IT IS A GUIDE AND ALLOWS FOR A LITTLE FLEXIBILITY.

>> I'M CURIOUS HOW WOULD YOU ANSWER THAT ADRIAN? WHAT'S IT WOULD DEPEND ON THE DEVELOPMENT TYPE.

CERTAINLY RESIDENTIAL HOME HAVE A MAXIMUM OF EIGHT TO 10 FOOT CEILINGS AND DEPENDING ON THE ROOF PEAK, COULD BE 15 TO 20 FEET. COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS COULD HAVE TALLER FIRST-FLOOR 10 TO 15 FEET ON THE GROUND FLOOR.

TYPICALLY IT IS A SHORTER ON ANYTHING ABOVE THAT.

IT DEPENDS ON THE DEVELOPMENT TYPE AND THE ROOF TYPE.

>> THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS?

COUNSELOR SUE FINKAM? >> ON THE QUARTER WE HAVE THE

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WE MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE BETTER ACCESS TO WITH PD GOING THROUGH. THAT'S THE RATIONALE.

>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND JACOB?

LOOKS COUNSELOR GREEN? >> I COULD.

>> COUNSELOR I SENT? >> COUNSELOR WRITER?

WHAT'S COUNSELOR NELSON? >> COUNSELOR SUE FINKAM.

>>> COUNSELOR LAURA CAMPBELL? EIGHT ÃZERO.

>> COUNSEL ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS OR AMENDMENTS?

COUNSELOR HANNON? >> I JUST WANTED TO THANK THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE WORKED ON THE COMPLINE STARTING WITH THE PLAN COMMISSION WHO DID A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WORK.

DO YOU SEE US STARTING AT THE CONSULTANTS.

I THOUGHT CHRISTINE HAD SPENT A LOT OF TIME GOING THROUGH PLAN COMMISSION ON THAT SO I APPRECIATE EVERYONE ON LAND USE WHO CONTRIBUTED TO THIS. A LOT OF CITIZEN INPUT.

THE COMMENT I WILL MAKE A CERTAINLY WE HAVE BEEN LISTENING TO CITIZEN COMMENTS AND WE HAVE MADE A LOT OF AMENDMENTS AND WE ARE GOING TO GET EVERYTHING IN IT.

AGAIN I DO APPRECIATE THE VIGOROUS DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COMMUNITY AND AS I SAID ALL OF THE WORK DONE BY DOCS CONSULTANTS AND PLAN COMMISSION AS WELL AS LAND-USE.

>> COUNSELOR GREEN? >> THANK YOU MR. PRESIDENT.

OVER 12 MONTHS AGO WE HAD A COUPLE TOWN HALL MEETINGS.

ONE ON THE WEST SIDE OF CARMEL IN MY DISTRICT THAT HAD ABOUT 25 PEOPLE REPRESENTING 11 DIFFERENT HOA'S PRESIDENTS AND BOARD MEMBERS OF THE HOA'S. ONE ON EACH SIDE OF MY DISTRICT WITH ABOUT 65 PEOPLE. AT BOTH MY CALLABLE SHOWED UP WITH ME ANSWERED QUESTIONS. A LOT OF GOOD CONVERSATION.

WE GAINED LOTS OF FEEDBACK AND REALLY GOOD FEEDBACK AND WE TOOK IT BACK TO THE COMMITTEES AND MIKE TOOK IT BACK TO THE PLANNERS. WITH ADRIAN AND THE GROUP AND THEY MADE A NUMBER OF CHANGES SUCH AS A 20 MINUTE CITY.

IF YOU GUYS RECALL THERE WAS A LOT OF CONCERN ABOUT THIS.

SOME OF THE TYPICAL QUARTERS HAVE REMOVED EARLIER.

THERE WAS A LOT OF GOOD FEEDBACK FROM MY CONSTITUENTS AND MIKE'S TEAM TOOK THE FEEDBACK TO THE OTHER COUNSELORS I MET A LOT OF REALLY GOOD CHANGES.

AND THEN THE FEEDBACK AND THE CHANGES DID NOT STOP THERE.

LET COUNSELOR HANNON SAID WE HAD A THIRD TOWN HALL MEETING ABOUT LONG AGO. IN HOMEPLACE TO GET MORE FEEDBACK ON SOME OF THE CHANGES SUCH AS TAKING OUT A NUMBER OF THINGS LIKE ARTERIAL CONNECTOR THAT'S BEEN ON THE BOOKS FOR A LONG TIME THAT WAS CONCERNING PEOPLE BECAUSE IT WAS ON THE BOOKS. REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE A LOT OF REALLY GOOD CHANGES AND NOTHING IS PERFECT. IN THOSE MEETINGS REALLY I THINK MIKE CALLABLE WHO TOOK SOME TOUGH FEEDBACK FROM INDIVIDUALS. INDIVIDUALS WHO EXPRESSED THEIR CONCERN ON THE INCREASING DENSITY OF PEOPLE WHO MOVED TO, AND LOVE BEING WITHIN 25 MINUTES OF DOWNTOWN IN ANNAPOLIS WITHIN 10 MINUTES OF DOWNTOWN CARMEL BUT MOVED TO BECAUSE OF THE GREEN SPACE, THE PRIVACY, THE BIG YARDS.

THEY ARE SLOWLY SITTING A LOT OF THAT CHANGE ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE'S WORD OF 50,000 MORE PEOPLE AT SPECIFICALLY IN MY DISTRICT HAVE THE FLORIDA PD INCREASING DENSITY.

JACKSON GRANT HAS A COMMERCIAL GOING AND ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF 116TH AND SPRINGVILLE.

THAT WAS AFTER NOTHING WAS IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

IT WAS PURE ESTATES AND PROMISES WERE MADE TO THE SOUTHWEST CARMEL THAT THERE WOULD BE NO COMMERCIAL WEST OF SPRINGVILLE. THREE YEARS AGO THAT CHANGED BECAUSE THE COUNCIL SAID THAT WAS PROMISES IN THE PAST AND THINGS HAVE CHANGED. THAT WAS ONE OF THE FEEDBACK I GAVE THE PEOPLE, BY CONSTITUENTS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS GUIDELINES. IT IS JUST GUIDELINES AND WHETHER THE FUTURE CITY COUNCIL OR FUTURE MAYOR CHOOSES TO FOLLOW THE GUIDELINES OR THEY TAKE THINGS IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION, THAT'S THE POWER OF THE CITY COUNCIL ON THE POWER OF THE MAYOR. IT IS JUST GUIDELINES IN THOSE MEETINGS WHEN MIKE SAID THIS IS THE FUTURE AND THIS IS WHERE WE ARE HEADED, THEY LOOKED AT ME IN FRONT OF MIKE AND COUNSELOR

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I SALUTE THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BUT IS NOT JUST WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SAYS BUT HOW IT GETS EXECUTED. WE WILL SEE HOW THIGS GO.

THANKS. >> THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?

>> MR. PRESIDENT? >> COUNSELOR SUE FINKAM.

>> MOVED TO APPROVE IT IS AMENDED?

>> THE SECOND? ANY DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS BEFORE WE VOTE? ADRIAN BEFORE WE VOTE I WANT TO THANK YOU PERSONALLY YOU AND I HAVE GONE THROUGH THE PLAN COMMISSION COUNSEL TOGETHER. I KNOW YOU ARE DISAPPOINTED THAT IS COMING TO AN END. WHEN YOU START WORKING ON THE NEXT REVISION? [LAUGHTER] JACOB PLEASE.

>> COUNSELOR GREEN? >> COUNSELOR AWESOME.

COUNSELOR KEVIN RIDER? COUNSELOR JEFF WORRELL? COUNSELOR NELSON? COUNSELOR LAURA CAMPBELL? COUNSELOR JEFF WORRELL? EIGHT ÃZERO.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, THAT WAS LONG.

WHEN DO WE START AT PLAN COMMISSION?

>> THE PUBLIC HEARING I BELIEVE WAS LAST OCTOBER.

>> ALL RIGHT NOTHING LIKE A YEAR.

>> PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT BEFORE THAT.

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>> EXCELLENT THANK YOU I APPRECIATE ALL OF YOUR TIME.

NEXT RESOLUTION CC 08012201 RESOLUTION OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CARMEL INDIANA APPROVING CERTAIN MATTERS WITH AN ACTION WITH THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE ECONOMIC AREA DEVELOPMENT SPONSOR IS CONSULAR OR REAL RETURNING FROM

FINANCE. >> MR. PRESIDENT THIS WAS COME TO ESTABLISH THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AREA.

AND THE ALLOCATION AREA TO BE COMMITTEE, THE FINANCE COMMITTEE IS RETURNING IT BACK TO COUNSEL WITH POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION TWO ÃONE. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY HAS ANY

QUESTIONS. >> ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?

COUNSELOR HANNON? >> I WAS THE OBJECTION.

MY CONCERN HERE IS I'M SUPPORTIVE OF TIPS AND CENTRAL CORE. THIS IS A TIF IN A RESIDENTIAL NON-MIXED-USE AREA. WE HAVE DONE IT PREVIOUSLY AT THE COURTYARDS AND I OBJECTED TO THAT BECAUSE THE ONLY PUBLIC BENEFIT THAT WAS OFFERED FOR 25 YEARS OF PULLING REVENUE TO SEARCY RATHER THAN THE GENERAL FUND WAS A $300,000 SLEPT LINE WHICH IS VERY NICE. TO ME IT DID NOT JUSTIFY MAKING A ALLOCATION DISTRICT. IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA WHEN I GOT CONTACTED BY MS. TESKE AND SAID WHAT IS THE PLAN WITH THE PLAN SPECIFICALLY THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE DOLLARS, THE RESPONSE IS ONLY THE DIRECTOR IS WELCOME TO RESPOND, WAS TBD. FROM MY PERSPECTIVE I'M GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE OF TIPS WITH THE SOCIAL DISTRICT FOR USED TO BUILD UP THE INFRASTRUCTURE.

I'M NOT SUPPORTIVE OF THIS ONE. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR

QUESTIONS OR A MOTION? >> MOVED TO APPROVE.

>> ANY COMMENTS? >> JACOB? COUNSELOR ANTHONY GREEN? COUNSELOR AWESOME? COUNSELOR KEVIN RIDER? COUNSELOR JEFF WORRELL? COUNSELOR NELSON? COUNSELOR HANNON?

>> NC)E. >> SIX ÃTWO.

>> THANK YOU. SECOND READING OF ORDINANCE D 26 32 COMMON COUNCIL CITY OF CARMEL INDIANA ISSUING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TAX INCREMENT REVENUE BONDS TO SUPPORT HUNTER LEVINSON PENNSYLVANIA PROJECT. AN AUTHORIZING AND APPROVING OTHER ACTIONS IN RESPECT THERETO AND SPONSOR IS COUNSELOR JEFF WORRELL. THIS RETURNS FROM FINANCE.

>> THIS AUTHORIZES TO BOND BY THE CITY OF CARMEL INDIANA TO FINANCE IMPROVEMENTS TO SUPPORT THE 111TH IN PENNSYLVANIA PROJECT. THESE ARE DEVELOPER TIF BONDS IN THIS RETURNS BACK TO FULL COUNSEL WITH POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION TWO ÃONE WITH THE CAVEAT THAT I'M GRATEFUL TO COUNSELOR SUE FINKAM FOR MAKING.

SHE ASKED THAT ALL ANY FUTURE MEETINGS BE SENT TO A WIDER

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RECOMMENDATION. >> COUNSEL ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? COUNSELOR HANNON:

>> MY OBJECTION ON THIS IS IT IS A MASSIVE DEVELOPMENT.

CLOSE TO 1000 UNITS. THIS WILL NOT COME BACK THROUGH COUNSEL ALTHOUGH IT'S ONLY WILL GO THROUGH THE PLAN COMMISSION.

GIVEN THE SCOPE OF THIS THERE SHOULD BE MORE DISCUSSIONS AND MORE ENGAGEMENT BY AN WITH THE CONSTITUENTS.

I THINK THERE WAS ONE MEETING. >> COUNSELOR AWESOME?

>> THANK YOU. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MS. TESKE. I KNOW THIS WILL GO TO COUNSEL DESCRIBE THE STEPS AND OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE PUBLIC TO ENGAGE IN THE PROCESS. IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS IS FAR FROM

BEING DONE JUST YET. >> IF COUNSEL CHOOSES TO APPROVE THIS THE NEXT STEP IS TO GO TO THE PLAN COMMISSION WHICH PREVIOUSLY ZONED AS TO THE ZONING AND PUTS COMMITMENTS ON THE PROPERTY. IT WILL GO THROUGH A FULL PLAN COMMISSION REVIEW TO DISCUSS THE COMMITMENTS AND REMOVE CERTAIN ONES THAT REQUIRES PLAN COMMISSION APPROVAL.

THAT'S ALL FOUNDATIONAL. THEN DESIGN WILL BEGIN IN EARNEST AND WE KNOW IT WILL GO THROUGH CERTAIN PHASES AND PHASES ARE NOT DECIDED UPON QUITE YET.

AGAIN SEE ZONING AND SET UP USUAL PROCESS WHICH IS TO GO THROUGH THE PLAN COMMISSION THROUGH ELS WHICH IS ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN, LIGHTING. SIGNAGE.

AND LANDSCAPING. THAT'S THE STANDARD PROCESS THAT ALL PROJECTS GO THROUGH. OBVIOUSLY GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS. THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE IN FRONT OF THE HEARING OFFICER. THE DIFFERENCE IN SEE ZONING IS PRIOR TO THAT PROCESS IS ALSO A INTERNAL APPROVAL PROCESS WHERE ALL THE DIRECTORS WERE TOGETHER TO PULL THE BEST POSSIBLE DESIGN OUT OF THE DEVELOPER. I ALSO THINK THAT CORE THROUGH ITS ACTIONS HAS SHOWN THEY ARE HERE TO ENGAGE WITH THE NEIGHBORS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. I KNOW SPECIFICALLY WHAT COUNSELOR FOR INCOME PUSH FOR THE LAST MEETING WE KNOW THAT PRIDE EVERY SINGLE PLANNING RELATED MEETING IS GOING TO BE NOTICES SENT TO ALL THE NEIGHBORS AND THE ENTIRETY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT DEVELOPER IS COMMITTED TO.

>> THE PUBLIC WILL HAVE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES TO SPEAK IN PUBLIC TO WRITE AND TO BE HEARD AND IF THEY MAKE COMPELLING ARGUMENTS THE PLAN COMMISSION COULD SIDE WITH THEM IN A VOTE.

>> YES. COUNSELOR GREEN?

>> IS THE LAST TIME THE ELECTED OFFICIALS REPRESENTING THOSE INDIVIDUALS WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE SOME TYPE OF CORRECTIONS OR AMENDMENTS TO THE PROCESS.

IS THAT CORRECT? >> THIS IS JUST A VOTE FOR THE BOND APPROVAL. THERE'S GOING TO BE ALLOCATION APPROVALS AS WELL. THAT WILL GO BACK BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL. GENERALLY AS FAR AS THE PLAN WE KNOW IT'S GOING TO HAVE OFFICE ON PENNSYLVANIA WE KNOW WE WILL LEAVE THE 50 FOOT PLUS TREE BUFFERS AND WE KNOW WE ARE GOING TO MAKE SURE TO TAPER DOWN TO THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOODS BY HAVING PORCELLO PRODUCT IN BETWEEN ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOODS AND MULTI FAMILY.

WE KNOW THE GARAGE IS WILL BE HIDDEN FROM THE STREET LIKE THAT AND WE KNOW THERE'S GOING TO BE A CENTRAL PLAZA THAT'S IN THE CENTER AND IT WILL HAVE RITA AROUND IT.

YOU KNOW THAT'S ONE OF THE COMMITMENTS WE WERE ASKING TO

BE REMOVED AT PLAN COMMISSION. >> I THINK IT'S FAIR TO ACKNOWLEDGE THIS IS GENERALLY THE PLAN.

YES IT WILL GO THROUGH PLAN COMMISSION AND GO THROUGH SEVERAL APPROVER PROCESSES BUT WE KNOW PERFORMER DOESN'T WORK IF YOU REMOVE HALF THE BUILDINGS WERE EXAMPLE.

I WANT TO BE HONEST ABOUT WAS GETTING PRESENTED.

>> THAT WAS YOUR VERSION OF SAYING YES CORRECT?

>> YES. >> I THINK THIS IS THE CASE BUT SOME OF THE INDIVIDUALS LIVING ALONG THE HOMES IN WATER WOULD AND APPLEWOOD AND NORTHERN HEIGHTS ARE WATCHING.

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IS THAT CORRECT? FEEDING INTO BAROQUE DRIVE IN

WATER WOULD. >> IS NOT GOING TO BE MADE INTO A ROAD CONNECTING THE NEW DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL INTO WATER

WOULD. >> I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S ONE OF THE COMMITMENTS WE ARE CURRENTLY ASKING TO GET REMOVED. I DEFER TO THE PLAN COMMISSION PROCESS ON THE SPECIFIC COMMITMENTS.

>> THE PLANNING COMMISSION COULD JUST, ALL RIGHT, HOW

ABOUT THE WASHINGTON BOULEVARD? >> I WILL DEFER TO THE PLAN COMMISSION PROCESS ON THOSE TWO SPECIFIC CONNECTIONS.

I THINK CITY STAFF WOULD WANT THEM AND NEIGHBORS PROBABLY DON'T AND I DON'T HAVE A PERFECT ANSWER.

>> I KNOW THE NEIGHBORS FEEL STRONGLY.

THAT'S ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT THE COUNCIL HAS NO ABILITY TO CONTROL ONCE WE VOTE ON IT TONIGHT.

I SPENT SOME TIME PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD SUNDAY NIGHT.

AND WALKED INTO THEIR BACKYARDS WHO LIVE AND WHO WILL LOOK OUT THEIR WINDOWS. THERE IS STILL SOME CONCERN OVER FOUR STORIES. EVEN IF IT'S 50 FEET AWAY WITH

THE TREE BUFFER. >> 150 EXCUSE ME.

50 FOOT GRASS BUFFER OR TREE BUFFER THAT WILL BE THE

INITIAL. >> THE 50 FOOT BUFFER ARE THE MATURE TREES ARE THERE THAT'S A SEPARATE MEASUREMENT COMPARED TO THE EXACT DISTANCE FROM THE NEIGHBORS HOUSES TO ADJACENT.

>> NOT NECESSARILY A FULL 150 FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.

150 FROM THE PROPERTY LINE OR 150 FROM THEIR HOME?

>> ABOUT 150 FROM THEIR HOME. IT IS UP HERE SO WE HAVE 220 FROM THE PROPERTY LINE TO THE MULTIFAMILY PRODUCT IT IS HARD TO SEE EVEN ON THIS CHART. YOU CAN MAKE OUT A HOUSE AND IT'S KIND OF LIKE OVER HERE. IT IS NOT AT THE PROPERTY LINE.

THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF DISTANCE BETWEEN THE HOUSES AND THE EDGES OF THE PROPERTY LINE. YOU WILL HAVE TREES THERE NOW AND A PATH SO FROM THE PROPERTY LINE TO EVEN WHERE YOU START TALKING ABOUT NEW DEVELOPMENT THERE'S AT LEAST 83 FEET.

IT IS FAIR TO SAY THERE'S ABOUT 60 MORE FEET BETWEEN THE ACTUAL HOUSE ON THE PROPERTY LINE. THEN YOU HAVE A ONE STORY GARAGE. 110, 120 FEET JUST FROM THE PROPERTY LINE WHICH YOU CAN ADD ABOUT 50 FEET FROM WHERE THE HOUSE ENDS. FRANKLY AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING THAT WAS HELD THIS IS THE SLIDE THAT WE DISCUSSED THE MOST. I THINK MOST PEOPLE APPRECIATED

WE HAD THIS MAPPED OUT EXACTLY. >> THE CONCERN I GOT FROM THE CITIZENS I MET WITH THE PRESIDENT OF ONE OF THE HOA'S AND OTHER BOARD MEMBERS WAS TO HAVE CONCERN OVER THE FOUR STORIES. THEY APPRECIATE THE PRODUCT.

THE OVERALL PRODUCT AND THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD THINGS THEY LIKE.

THE CONCERN IS THE BUFFER. WHAT IT ULTIMATELY WILL BE.

AND CONCERN OVER 900+ HOMES, APARTMENTS AND CONDOS.

2000 PEOPLE. WHAT IS THAT GOING TO DO TO 111TH ST. AND THAT AREA? WHEN SO MANY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE GOING IN TO THAT SPECIFIC PLACE.

THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD AN COUNSILOR WORRELL BROUGHT IT UP AT THE LAST CITY COUNCIL MEETING BUT WHEN I GO WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHEN I MEETING WITH THE CONSTITUENTS THEY HAVE CONCERNS OVER THE CARMEL SCHOOLS.

CONSISTENTLY I SAY WE WERE TOLD THE STUDENT POPULATION ISN'T GOING TO INCREASE. WHO TOLD YOU THAT? I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS A CURRENT SUPERINTENDENT, FORMER SUPERINTENDENT BUT IT'S HARD TO BELIEVE 50,000 PEOPLE OVER THE NEXT FIVE OR 10 AND B,15 IS GOING TO BE ZERO POPULATION GROWTH. THIS ISN'T DEALING WITH YOUR PROJECT BUT SYMPTOMATIC OVER THE APARTMENTS AND CONDOS AND TOWNHOMES INCREASING DENSITY. IT IS NAC/VE TO SAY IT'S NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY IMPACT ON THE CARMEL SCHOOLS BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING MY CONSTITUENTS IS THAT'S WHAT THE SCHOOL BOARD AND SUPERINTENDENT SAY THEY HAVE TO TAKE IT UP WITH THEM

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SCHOOLS. >> FIRST COUNSILOR WORRELL AS FOR BOTH THE DEVELOPERS TO CORE AND JC THE TWO PROJECTS TO COME SPEAK ABOUT THE DEMOGRAPHICS CURRENTLY IN THEIR PRODUCT.

HEADQUARTERS GOT SIX BUILDINGS ABOARD 24 UNITS.

THEY MENTION 90 PERCENT OCCUPANCY AND 93 THOUSAND MEDIAN INCOME. THEY MENTIONED CURRENTLY FIVE PERCENT OF THE RESIDENTS HAVE SCHOOL AGED CHILDREN.

38 PERCENT OVER 55. HEART HAS MANY UNITS IN THE CITY OF CARMEL SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT MID TIMESLOTS BECAUSE IT IS ADJACENT TO THE DEVELOPMENT THEY'RE LOOKING AT 97 PERCENT OCCUPANCY. 106,000 MEDIAN INCOME IN BOTH OF THOSE ARE LOWER THAN WHAT I WOULD THINK BECAUSE I'VE HEARD PRICE POINTS ON EVEN THE HIGHER MEDIAN INCOMES FOR OUR RESIDENTS. HEARTS MIDTOWN GLASS BUILDING IS 1.5 PERCENT SCHOOL AGED CHILDREN AND I THINK THEY MENTIONED HIGH SCHOOL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

>> THREE STUDENTS. THAT'S RIGHT.

>> SECOND TWO YEAR POINT, WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET ONE 11TH AND DEPEND ON FOR A WHILE. THESE WERE SOME OF THE PREVIOUS AND YOU MAY REMEMBER THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT PREVIOUSLY WAS PRESENTED. IT MAKES SENSE NEIGHBORS WOULD NOT WANT THIS AND COMMITMENTS WOULD INCLUDE NO PASSING THROUGH THE STREET CONNECTIONS. WE'RE OFFERING A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PLAN WITH REGARD TO TRAFFIC.

WE HAVE TO BE HONEST THIS IS A 20 YEAR PROJECT.

IT WILL NOT GET BUILT OUT TOMORROW BUT OVER 20 YEARS.

I CAN DIFFER TO OUR CITY ENGINEER WHO IS WORKING WITH THE PLAN FOR THE FUTURE AND I THINK WE'LL HAVE TIME TO GET TO

THAT. >> THE LESS CONCERN WE HAD WHEN I WAS THERE, A LOT OF FOREST ENTRIES.

A LOT OF WILDLIFE WITHIN THOSE. IN THE END IS GOING TO BE SOME TREES BEING TAMED BUT IT'S CONSISTENT PATTERN OF A LACK OF

TREE PRESERVATION. >> I ACTUALLY WILL POINT OUT THE PLAN COMMISSION HAD COMMITMENTS ABOUT TREE PRESERVATION AND THE DEVELOPER IS NOT TOUCHING THOSE COMMITMENTS. ACTUALLY PROBABLY PLANTING MORE TREES THAN THE COMMITMENTS REQUIRE.

WE CAN HAVE THEM COME SPEAK TO THAT I YOU WOULD LIKE.

>> COUNSILOR WORRELL? >> COUNSILOR GREEN BROUGHT UP ONE THING I FAILED TO MENTION WE ASKED BOTH DEVELOPERS TO BRING STATISTICS. IT DOES ALSO INVOLVE THE MIX OF HOW MANY BEDROOMS ARE IN THESE APARTMENTS ONE BEDROOMS, TWO BEDROOMS AND THREE BEDROOMS IT IS VERY RARE FOR THREE BEDROOMS AND FRANKLY IN MANY OF THE PROJECTS THAT HAVE THREE BEDROOMS WHICH TYPICALLY WOULD THEN ALLOW FOR THERE TO BE AT SCHOOL AGE CHILDREN, THERE ARE NO SCHOOL AGE CHILDREN.

LITERALLY, WE ARE DEALING, AND PRESIDENT WRITER BROUGHT STATISTICS DIRECTLY FROM THE SCHOOLS.

WHAT'S THIS CAME FROM THE ADMINISTRATION.

IT SAID CARMEL CLAY SCHOOLS ELEMENTARY SCHOOL CAPACITY IS 8075. THE CURRENT ENROLLMENT IS 6935.

CARMEL CLAY SCHOOLS MIDDLE SCHOOL CAPACITY IS 4200 AND THE CURRENT ENROLLMENT IS 3832. THE MOST RECENT DEMOGRAPHIC FORECASTS HAS ELEMENTARY ENROLLMENT UNTIL DISTRICT ENROLLMENT LEVEL OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.

HOWEVER CURRENTLY ELEMENTARY ENROLLMENT IS DOWN 240 STUDENTS FROM THE FORECAST. CARMEL CLAY SCHOOLS WOULD WELCOME AN INCREASE IN ENROLLMENT A JUDICIAL STUDENT PROVIDE $7000 OF ADDITIONAL FUNDING MULTIFAMILY HOUSING RESULTS IN A FEW ADDITIONAL SCHOOL AGE CHILDREN ESPECIALLY DEPEND ON THE PRICE OF THE HOUSING WHICH THIS WOULD FALL INTO THAT CATEGORY. CARMEL CLAY SCHOOLS HAS NEVER OBJECTED TO GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT IN CARMEL AND ENROLLMENT THAT MAY COME WITH IT.

THUS DIRECTLY FROM THE ADMINISTRATION.

THAT IS NOT MY OPINION. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR

QUESTIONS? >> I DO WANT TO POINT OUT WE AS A CITY, USE C-2 ZONING THE CITY COUNCIL MADE THE SEED TO WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY PLANNED. WE KNEW THE PROCESS AND KNOW THE PROCESS. WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE TIF AND LEVEL OF INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WILL BE INVOLVED IN A PROJECT LIKE THIS, NO DEVELOPER I'M GUESSING I WILL NOT ASK YOU TO COMMENT BUT I WILL LOOK COME THIS WILL AT LEAST BE $1 MILLION TO DESIGN THIS OVER A YEAR OR WHATEVER.

THE AMOUNT OF TIME COULD POSSIBLY BE A YEAR TO DESIGN.

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THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WILL HAPPEN QUICKLY.

THIS WILL HAPPEN OVER TIME BUT THEY WOULD NOT SPEND THE MONEY AND PUT THE TIME INTO IT IF WE DIDN'T TAKE THE VOTE UP OR DOWN ON THE TIF IT WOULDN'T HAPPEN. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS

OR A MOTION. >> MOVED TO APPROVE.

>> ANY COMMENTS? >> JACOB?

>> COUNSILOR GREEN? I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.? COUNSILOR RIDER? COUNSILOR WORRELL? COUNSILOR FINKAM? COUNSILOR CAMPBELL? FIVE ÃTHREE.

>> SECOND READING OF ORDINANCE D 20 JUNE 30, 2022.

ORDINANCE OF THE COMMON COUNCIL.

THAT DID PASS FIVE ÃTHREE. SECOND READING OF ORDINANCE D 2638 22 ORDINANCE OF COMMON COUNCIL TAX REVENUE BONDS TO SUPPORT THE MONO SQUARED NORTH PROJECT, PEREZ APPROVED OTHER ACTIONS IN RESPECT THERETO. SPONSOR IS COUNSILOR WORRELL

RETURNING FROM FINANCE. >> THANK YOU MR. PRESIDENT.

THIS ORDINANCE AUTHORIZES THE ISSUE ON THE TIF BY THE CITY OF CARMEL INDIANA TWOS FINANCE MORNING SQUARED NORTH PROJECT.

ALL THE TIF BONDS WERE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT ARE DEVELOPER BACKED AND PAID FOR BY THE DEVELOPER AND THIS ONE IS 18.5 MILLION. WE ALSO DISCUSSED MOON WRATH WHICH I WILL LET YOU DEFINE THE AUDIENCE WHAT THE HECK THAT IS.

WE ALSO WENT THROUGH THE STATISTICS OF THIS PROJECT.

SPECIFICALLY STATISTICS REGARDING SCHOOL AGE CHILDREN, AVERAGE INCOME AND THE USER OF THESE APARTMENTS.

THESE HEIGHT AND APARTMENTS WE ARE BUILDING.

AND THIS RETURNS BACK TO CITY COUNCIL WITH A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION TWO ÃONE. COUNSELOR HANAN?

>> I WAS THE OBJECTOR HERE AND I WANT TO MAKE CLEAR NOT TO THE DEVELOPMENT OR DEVELOPER. I THINK IT'S A GOOD-LOOKING PROJECT. JC HAS A GREAT REPUTATION IN THE AREA. AGAIN I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE VERY NICE AND MY CONCERN WAS MORE BASED UPON THE TIF DEALS A DIRECTOR AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS OVER THE PAST COUPLE YEARS. ONE IS MORE OF THE TIF DOLLARS GOING TO LOCAL INFRASTRUCTURE. IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE IT REMAINS 90 Ã10. SOME POINT THEY MAY HAVE BEEN 100 PERCENT TO DEVELOPERS SO MAYBE I SHOULD BE HAPPY TO GET 10 PERCENT OF THE 10 PERCENT IS NOT GOING TO LOCAL INFRASTRUCTURE TO IMPROVE MONO ON SQUARE AND THAT'S WHAT TIPS ARE DESIGNED FOR PUBLIC USE INFRASTRUCTURE WITHIN THE ALLOCATION DISTRICT ITSELF. I'VE ALSO SAID IT DOESN'T APPLY ADVOCACY SOME OF THE TIF DOLLARS TO GO TO ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOODS WHICH IS ALSO ALLOWABLE AND SHOULD BE DONE WE HAVE HAVES AND HAVE-NOTS ACROSS RANGELAND ROAD WE HAVE BEAUTIFUL ARCHITECTURE AND A LOT OF GREAT THINGS GOING ON.

WE HAVE UNDERDEVELOPED AND UNDERSERVED NEIGHBORHOODS ON EACH SIDE OF IT THAN THE LAST PIECE SHOWED UP AND SBT BOND WAS 10 MILLION, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE EXACT DOLLARS OF THE MONO ON SQUARE FOR EVERY JUNCTURE AS WELL.

I WANT TO MAKE CLEAR IT IS NOT THE DEVELOPMENT OR THE DEVELOPER. IT IS HOW THIS IS CONSTRUCTED AND HOW THE TIF DEAL WAS ARRIVED AT.

AND THE LACK OF LOCAL USE OF TIF DOLLARS WITHIN AGAIN NOT OBJECTING TO IT MORE OF A DISCUSSION ON I THINK NOW IN THE FUTURE THE NEXT EXECUTIVE COUNCIL NEEDS TO SHARPEN OUR TOOL AND LOOK AT HOW WE DO TIF DEALS.

THE OTHER THING I'VE TALKED WITH THE DIRECTOR ABOUT IS ONE THING TO GIVE THE DEVELOPER 25 YEARS OF TAX REVENUE BUT WE ALSO SEEM TO ALSO GIVE THEM THE PROPERTY WHICH TAXPAYERS ARE ON THE HOOK FOR. IN THIS PARTICULAR DEAL IS MY UNDERSTANDING AND THIS IS AMENDING IT A LITTLE BIT IS RATHER THAN THE DEVELOPER BEING GIFTED THE PROPERTY WAS PURCHASED WITH A 25 YEAR BOND, THERE IS SOME SORT OF A LAND SWAP SO NOT A LAND GIVEAWAY PER SE.

I JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE NOT AGAINST DEVELOPMENT.

DISCUSSION ABOUT THE MECHANICS. >> COUNSEL COUNSILOR WORRELL DO HAVE YOUR MICROPHONE ON? COUNSILOR AASEN?

>> DIRECTOR MAJESKI TALK TO ME ABOUT THIS NOT TO DISAGREE WITH

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>> WE HAVE GENERALLY USED TIF FOR PUBLIC AND RESTRUCTURE.

THAT'S THE WAY WE'VE HANDLED IN THE PAST.

YOU ARE ALLOWED TO EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE WHEN THE COUNCIL DEEMS IT IMPORTANT ENOUGH OR INTERESTS IN THE END RESULT ENOUGH, YOU CAN PUT TIF IN A PRIVATE PROJECT.

ONE EXAMPLE I WILL GIVE IS THEM A LARGE NEIGHBORHOOD NORTH OF US. THERE IS NOT A PUBLIC PARKING COMPONENT BUT COUNSEL MADE A DECISION THAT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO REPLACE WORKING LOTS WITH THE TRUE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD FOR SALE. THAT'S AN EXAMPLE WHERE WE DID PUT IN TIF BUT NOT GOING TO PUBLIC COMPONENT.

THAT'S FEW AND FAR BETWEEN. I THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY GENERALLY ARE TIF DOES GET SPENT ON PUBLIC AND RESTRUCTURE TO GET SPENT ON PUBLIC PARKING, PAUSES AND FOUNTAINS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. GENERALLY YOU ARE CORRECT.

>> HOW MANY ADDITIONAL SPACES TO THE PUBLIC AT FOR THIS

PROJECT? >> THIS SPECIFIC, THIS PROJECT AND OBVIOUSLY THE ONE WE VOTED ON HAVE SUBSTANTIAL PUBLIC PARKING GARAGE COMPONENTS. THIS ONE WILL HAVE ALMOST 400 SPACE GARAGE. ONE OF THE TWO QUADRANTS AND ANOTHER GARAGE IN THE OTHER QUADRANT IN A SOLAR COMPONENT AND ALSO GOING TO HAVE A FOR SALE COMPONENT, CONDO COMPONENT. EACH OF THOSE THINGS ARE A JUDGMENT CALL WE BELIEVE WE SHOULD SEE THOSE AS PROJECTS MOVING FORWARD. ESSENTIALLY ALL THE TIF GENERATED BY THIS PROJECT IS COVERING THE COST OF THE

PARKING GARAGES. >> IT IS ALL FREE PARKING

UNLIKE DOWNTOWN MINNEAPOLIS? >> THAT IS CORRECT 75 PERCENT

FREE AND OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. >> THE OTHER DAY I WAS DOWNTOWN. DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH IT COST FOR A LOST TICKET? $80 IF YOU LOSE A TICKET IN ONE OF THOSE PARKING GARAGES. FREE IN CARMEL.

>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS? >> MR. PRESIDENT I HAVE A QUESTION FOR HENRY. HENRY NONE OF THE SPACES WOULD

BE RESERVED FOR RESIDENTS? >> A 25 PERCENT OF THE PARKING GARAGE IS ALLOWED TO BE RESERVED AND GENERALLY WE FIND DEVELOPERS WHEN DOING MIXED USE DEALS RESERVE SOME FOR RESIDENTS AND THE REST FOR CEOS OF THE BUSINESSES.

A PORTION OF THE PARKING WILL BE PAID FOR BY JC HART AND NOT BE PUBLIC. THAT IS A SIMILAR CONCEPT TO WHAT IS IN THE TOWN OF LOTS WHERE MAJORITY OF MIDTOWN PLOTS PARKING GARAGE IS ADJACENT TO IT BUT THEY DID PAPER SOME OF THEIR OWN UNITS, PARKING UNITS UNDERNEATH THE BUILDING.

WHAT THE TIF HAS BEEN USED FOR IS A PUBLIC PARKING AVAILABLE

PUBLIC PARKING. >> THANK YOU.

>> SINCE THAT CAME UP ON RESERVE PARKING I WILL MAKE MY STATEMENT THAT SINCE WE HAVE DEVELOPERS HERE COME IF YOUR RESERVE PARKING FOR RESIDENTS OR PRINCES THAT RENT FROM YOU PLEASE DON'T DO IT ON THE FIRST FLOOR.

IT IS SO ANNOYING TO PULL INTO A PUBLIC PARKING GARAGE AND HAVE THE WHOLE FIRST FLOOR EMPTY BUT RESERVED FOR BUSINESSES. MOVE IT UP.

LET THE CITIZENS THAT LIVE HERE PARK ON THE FIRST FLOOR.

I THINK THAT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE.

I'M GOING TO START PUSHING THAT IN THESE PROJECTS.

I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT YOU CAN TALK ABOUT TIF WHATEVER WAY YOU WANT BUT I'VE BEEN EXPRESSING THIS FOR 15 YEARS.

WE WENT HAVE CITY CENTER. WE WENT HAVE THE PRESIDIUM.

WE WENT HAVE MOST OF MIDTOWN IF WE DIDN'T USE TIF THE WAY WE DO TO BUILD A PODIUM AND BUILT A PROJECT ON TOP OF IT IS UNBELIEVABLY EXPENSIVE. I WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY I HAD MY FIRST BUSINESS WAS ACROSS FROM THE STRIP CENTER WHERE CITY CENTER IS. IT WAS RUN DOWN AND JUNK.

IT WAS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 125 $150,000 A YEAR.

THE CITY CENTER NOW PAYS MILLIONS.

IT'S A GREAT PLACE FOR EVERYBODY TO LIVE.

WE HAVE BUSINESSES THERE. WE HAVE OFFICE.

WE WOULD NOT HAVE THESE THINGS IF WE DID NOT USE TIF THE WAY WE DO. I WANT TO POINT OUT AGAIN COUNSILOR WORRELL SAID THIS THESE ARE DEVELOPER BACKED WE HAVE NO RISK IN THIS FROM A FINANCIAL STANDPOINT.

JUST NEED TO POINT THAT OUT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS

OR A MOTION? >> MOVED TO APPROVE ORDINANCE D

2630 Ã22. >> SECOND.

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>> COUNSILOR GREEN? I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.? COUNSILOR RIDER? COUNSILOR WORRELL? COUNSEL NELSON? COUNSEL HANNAH? COUNSILOR FINKAM? COUNSILOR CAMPBELL? EIGHT ÃZERO.

>> MOVING ON RESOLUTION CC 09 192201 THE RESOLUTION OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL INDIANA APPROVING CERTAIN MATTERS IN CONNECTION WITH THE CITY CENTER REDEVELOPMENT AREA MONT ON SQUARE NORTH ALLOCATION.

COUNSILOR WORRELL BACK FROM FINANCE.

>> THIS COMES BACK WITH A THREE ÃZERO.

THIS IS RESOLUTION OF THE COMMISSION CREATING A MONT ON SQUARE NORTH ALLOCATION AREA. THIS IS THE SAME PROJECT WE VOTED ON BY CREATING ALLOCATION AREA REDEVELOPMENT AREA.> ANY COMMENTS QUESTIONS OR A MOTION?

>> I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. >> I SECOND.

>> ANY QUESTIONS? >> COUNSILOR GREEN? COUNSILOR WORRELL? COUNSILOR CAMPBELL? COUNSILOR FINKAM? COUNSILOR RIDER? COUNSILOR AASEN? A ÃZERO.

>> THANK YOU. >> MOVING ON RESOLUTION C009 192202 RESOLUTION OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL INDIANA. AMENDING RESOLUTION CC 12212004. SPONSOR IS COUNSILOR AASEN,

[13. PUBLIC HEARINGS (Part 2 of 2) ]

COUNSILOR WORRELL. >> MOVE TO INTRODUCE?

>> IS REPURPOSED. 51,004 CLOVER PROJECT ON THE MOANA GREENWAY. I'M ASSUMING THERE IS SOMEONE.

MR. CLIFTON IS HERE TO SPEAK TO IT.

>> WELCOME MR. CLIFTON. >> ARE NOT AN EXPERT ON

CULVERTS. >> PRESIDENT WRITER AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL THIS IS GOING TO RE-APPROPRIATE FUNDS THAT THE COUNCIL APPROVED FOR US LAST BUDGET YEAR.

FOR REPLACING THE CULVERT THAT IS A LONG MEMO NOT OVER CARMEL CREEK NORTH OF 116TH ST.. LAST YEAR THE BIDS CAME IN A LITTLE BIT OVER ENGINEERED PROJECTIONS BASED ON THE COST ESCALATIONS THAT WE HAVE EXPERIENCED NUMEROUS PROJECTS.

WE REBID IT THIS YEAR AND HAD ADDITIONAL APPROPRIATIONS WITHIN THE CURRENT YEAR BUDGET TO MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE SO THIS WILL BRING BACK THE FUNDING THAT'S ALREADY IN THE FUND 'S WERE NOT ASKING FOR NEW MONEY.

BUT TO USE THE FUNDS REMAIN AND NOT REVERTING BUDGET TO REPLACE THAT CULVERT THAT WAS RECOMMENDED FOR REPLACEMENT BY

CITY ENGINEERING. >> COUNSEL ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE I OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING? I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:18:30. ANYBODY WISHING TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST, PLEASE COME FORWARD. I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:18:45. 15 SECOND PUBLIC HEARINGS TONIGHT. COUNSEL, ANY RECOMMENDATIONS ON THIS? INSTEAD OF GOING TO COMMITTEE DO WE WANT THIS TO GO TO COMMITTEE? WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION. BOOKS MOVE TO SUSPEND THE

RULES. >> I SECOND.

>> ANY COMMENT? >> COUNSILOR GREEN? I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.? COUNSILOR WORRELL? COUNSILOR FINKAM? COUNSILOR CAMPBELL? EIGHT ÃZERO.> I WILL

ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> MOVED TO APPROVE.

>> ANY DISCUSSION? >> COUNSILOR GREEN? I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.? COUNSILOR RIDER? COUNSILOR CAMPBELL? COUNSILOR WORRELL? COUNSILOR FINKAM?

EIGHT ÃZERO. >> THANK YOU.

SECOND READING OF ORDINANCE D 2635 22 AND ARMS OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF CARMEL INDIANA APPROVING CERTAIN KARMA REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY LEASE RENTAL BONDS TO FINANCE VARIOUS ROAD IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS IN THE CITY SPONSOR IS COUNSILOR WORRELL. RETURNING FROM FINANCE.

>> THANK YOU MR. PRESIDENT. THIS IS ORDINANCE APPROVING ISSUE OF CARMEL REDEVELOPMENT IN THE MAXIMUM PRINCIPAL AMOUNT OF 63 MILLION FOR THE PURPOSE OF FINANCING THERE IS LOCAL AND

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WE HAVE A ROBUST DISCUSSION OF THIS IF I DON'T WANT TO GO BACK AND VIEW THE FINANCE COMMITTEE VIDEO.

I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO SO. WE WENT THROUGH THE LIST OF PROJECTS AND THEY ARE ALL FOR STRUCTURAL IMPROVEMENTS IN THE LIVES WE HAD IN OUR POSSESSION PRESENTED BY ENGINEERING WAS BY ORDER OF IMPORTANT. STARTING OUT WITH MULTI USE PATHS WHICH WAS ESTIMATED TO BE IN THE AMOUNT OF $37,500,000 THAT IS PROJECT NUMBER ONE THAT WAS ASKED FOR BY THE COUNCIL SPECIFICALLY. THEN THERE WAS THE ROAD PROJECT TO COMPLETE OR FINISH VETERANS WAY WHICH RUNS NORTH TO SOUTH THROUGH BASICALLY THE MONT ON SQUARE AREA.

WHERE THAT TERMINATES CITY CENTER SO TO GET THAT CONNECTED US WE WOULD HAVE CONNECTIVITY ALL THE WAY FROM CARMEL DRIVE TO MAIN STREET AND HELPING TO COMPLETE OUR GRID PATTERN.

THEN THERE WAS A VARIETY OF SPECIFIC AREAS THAT NEED IMPROVEMENT LIKE 116TH AND UBER ROUNDABOUT.

126 AND RIVER ROAD ROUNDABOUT AND 106 AND HAZEL DELL ROUNDABOUT WERE SPECIFICALLY DISCUSSED.

OF COURSE THERE IS $83 MILLION ON THE LIST.

WE ONLY HAVE 63 MILLION POTENTIAL BUT THE GREAT ENGINEERING STAFF IS WORKING ON AT LEAST TWO PROJECTS THAT MAY RECEIVE OTHER FUNDING MPL OR FEDERAL FUNDING.

BUT BECAUSE THE DOCUMENTS HAVE TO BE WRITTEN IN SUCH A WAY WE ARE READY TO GO, WE WERE WORKING OFF THIS LIST.

THERE WERE LOTS OF COME WE HAD PRESENTATIONS FROM HEIDI, BAKER TILLY WHO TALKED ABOUT THE SPECIAL BENEFITS TAX.

I THINK I DO WANT TO HAVE YOU COME UP AND DO THAT AGAIN BECAUSE I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE DONE FOR THE COMMUNITY.

WE ALSO HEARD FROM KIRK COONROD AND HIS TEAM ABOUT OUR ABILITY TO PAY CAPACITY. ENGINEERING WE HAD LEGAL.

WITH THE PRESIDENT'S PERMISSION I WOULD ASK HEIDI TO COME BACK

AND MAKE THAT PRESENTATION. >> THIS IS YOUR SHOW RIGHT NOW.

>> OKAY. SINCE I DIDN'T ASK YOU TO DO THIS IN ADVANCE HEIDI COME ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT? YOU KNOW WHAT, DO WHAT YOU CAN. IF I WERE WATCHING THIS I MIGHT WANT TO COME I HEAR A SPECIAL BENEFITS TAX, YOU MAKE POINTS ABOUT THE 14 PERCENT INCREASE IN ASSESSED VALUE YOU MADE THE ADDITIONAL POINT THAT CARMEL IS KEEPING THE TAX RATE THE SAME HOWEVER WE ACKNOWLEDGE IN THE COMMITTEE MEETING AND UNDERSTAND TAX PAYMENTS ARE GOING UP HOWEVER YOU MAKE CRITICAL POINTS ABOUT THAT ONE THAT OCCURS REGARDLESS ABOUT WHAT WE DID BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN GROWTH IN THE ECONOMICS OF OUR PROPERTY INCREASING. WE LAID IT OUT FOR YOU AND GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO COLLECT YOUR THOUGHTS.

TAKE IT AWAY. >> HEIDI WITH BAKER TILLY THANKS FOR HAVING ME THIS EVENING.

COUNSELOR WORRALL SAID I WAS FINANCE COMMITTEE AND TALKED IN DETAIL ABOUT THE BONDS IN THE STRUCTURE OF THE BONDS BUT ESSENTIALLY THE CITIES ASSESSED VALUE GOING FROM PAGE 22 TO PAGE 23 HAS GONE UP 14 PERCENT. AV AND AX RATES ARE INVERSE OF EACH OTHER SO WHEN AV GOES UP TAX RATES COME DOWN AND YOU HAVE THE DECREASE BETWEEN WHERE YOUR TAX RATE IS AT AND HAS BEEN AT FOR THE PAST FIVE YEARS WHICH IS .788, POINT SEVEN 877.

IT'S BEEN THERE FOR THE PAST FIVE YEARS SO YOU HAVE OPPORTUNITY TO ISSUE A BOND AND FILL IN THE RATE THAT'S GOING DOWN BACK UP TO THE LEVEL THAT HAS BEEN AFTER FIVE YEARS.

WITH THAT YOU WOULD ISSUE A BOND THAT HAS A DEBT SERVICE PAYMENT THAT'S PAID FROM A DEBT LEVY THAT'S IN PLACE.

WE WORK WITH KIRK OR ROD AND HIS OFFICE IN THE PHYSICAL PLANT MAKE SURE OVER THE LIFE OF THE BOND OR AT LEAST THE LENGTH OF TIME HIS FISCAL PLAN GOES OUT THE CITY PLANS FOR THAT ADDITIONAL LEVY. AGAIN THE GOAL IS TO KEEP THE TAX RATE IN THE CITIES PORTION OF THE TOTAL TAX RATE THE SAME.

ONE OTHER THING WE TALKED ABOUT IS ASSESSED VALUES ACROSS THE STATE OF INDIANA ARE GOING UP. IF YOU ALL HAVE RECEIVED YOUR ASSESSMENTS FOR PAY 23 YOU WILL NOTICE THEY ARE GOING UP FOR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES 15 TO 20 PERCENT.

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352,000. IS THAT NOT WHAT I SAID? 352,000 YES. YOU CAN TELL BETWEEN THE HOMES THAT ARE AT THAT BREAKEVEN POINT OF 296,000 THAT AT LEAST HALF OF YOUR HOMEOWNERS BECAUSE YOUR MEDIAN HOME VALUE IS 352,000 ARE GOING TO BE HITTING THE CAPS.

A JURY OF YOUR TAXPAYERS ALREADY ARE HITTING THE CAPS BUT AGAIN BECAUSE AV'S ARE GOING UP ACROSS THE BOARD AND YOU HAVE THE REFERENDUM IN PLACE EVERYBODY WILL FEEL A SLIGHT INCREASE IN THEIR TAXES. IT IS NOT BECAUSE THE CITY IS KEEPING THE TAX RATE LEVEL IT'S BECAUSE THE REFERENDUM PLATE IS IN PLACE IN YOUR A THESE ARE GOING UP NATURALLY.

PTHE 2 COMPONENTS ARE WHAT WILL DOCTOR EVERYBODY'S TAX RATES UP. AGAIN WHAT THIS BOND ISSUE IS DOING IS KEEPING THE CITIES PORTION OF THE TAX RATE THE SAME THAT IS BETTER FOR THE PAST FIVE YEARS.

YOU GUYS HAVE NO CONTROL OVER WHAT THE COUNTY IS DOING.

THE SCHOOL, THE LIBRARY AND OVERLAPPING TAXING DISTRICTS.

WHAT YOU ALL SEE IN YOUR TAX BILL IS THE TOTAL TAX RATE WHICH MAKES UP ALL OF THOSE OVERLAPPING TAX UNITS.

WHO KNOWS WHAT THEY WILL BE DOING TO KNOW IF THE TOTAL TAX RATE YOU GUYS WILL PAY WILL COME DOWN.

YOU ALL STILL SEE A SLIGHT INCREASE BECAUSE OF A THESE GOING UP. IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS I

CAN ANSWER? >> COUNSILOR FINKAM?

>> FOR THE PUBLIC FOR THOSE IN THIS COMMUNITY FOR MANY YEARS AND PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO WHEN WE REFINANCE IN 2014 WE USE THE TERM SPECIAL BENEFITS TAX A LOT.

2014 AND AFTER THAT WITH THE CITY CENTER I BELIEVE.

AT THAT TIME WE USED THE TERM TO SAY THAT WAS A REALLY BAD THING. IF WE HAD TO DO A SPECIAL TAX IT WAS BECAUSE WE HAD NOT COVERED OUR COSTS IN THE CITY

WAS ON THE HOOK. >> BECAUSE WERE ON THE HOOK BOOKS NOW ARE USING THE SAME TERMINOLOGY IN TALKING ABOUT THIS I SAW COMMENTS ON SOCIAL ABOUT THIS.

THE CITY IS USING BENEFITS TAX. CAN YOU CLARIFY?

>> GOOD QUESTION. THESE ARE TECHNICALLY GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS IN A SENSE THEY ARE SOLELY BEING PAID FOR FROM A PROPERTY TAX LEVY. BRAD BINGHAM IS HERE FROM BARNES IF YOU NEED TO GET TO THE LEGAL SIDE OF THINGS BETWEEN THE DEFINITION OF SPECIAL BENEFITS TAX AND A PROPERTY TAX LEVY. WHAT'S HAPPY TO JUMP IN.

BRAD BINGHAM FILLING IN FOR BRUCE THIS EVENING.

IN REALITY SPECIAL BENEFITS TAX ARE REALLY THE SAME THING.

IT'S THE EXACT SAME TAX WHETHER CIVIL CITY OR REDEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. IT IS THIS LEGAL FICTION THERE'S TWO SEPARATE ENTITIES BUT THEY ARE ONE IN THE SAME.

AS YOU MENTIONED BACK IN 2013 OR 14 WE DID THE BIG REFINANCING AT SPECIAL BENEFITS TAX WAS A BACKUP AND CREDIT ENHANCEMENT TO SAY IF WE HAD TO WE COULD DO A LEVY AND IT'S NEVER BEEN LEVIED. IN THIS SETTING THAT'S THE MECHANISM BY WHICH WE CAN PUT THE PROPERTY TAX INTO THIS DEAL IS TO LEVY THE SPECIAL BENEFITS TAX IS BECAUSE OF THE LEASE FINANCING STRUCTURE HAS TO DO WITH INDEBTEDNESS OF THE CITY.

WE HAVE TO DO IT AS A LEASE BECAUSE THE LIMIT ON THE DIRECTOR OF THE CITY AND THE WAY WE DO IT AS A LEASE WITH PROPERTY TAX TO PAY THE LEASE. IT IS TO AVOID CONFUSION AD VALOREM TAX LEVIED TO PAY DEBT SERVICE ON THESE BONDS.

>> IN SIMPLE LANGUAGE YOU SAID EARLIER THE SPECIAL BENEFITS TAX HAS NEVER BEEN ENACTED AND THIS IS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE CLEAR ACROSS THE CITY. COUNSILOR RIDER AND I WERE COUNSEL AT THAT TIME. THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION.

>> THERE ARE SEVERAL BONDS THAT ARE OUTSTANDING THAT HAS THE

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IT IS A COMMON PRACTICE. >> COUNSILOR WORRELL?

>> COUNSILOR FINKAM I FORGOT TO ASK I DON'T THINK YOU SAID THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THE MEDIAN HOME PRICE AND WHERE THE CIRCUIT BREAKER KICKS IN. WE DID NOT SAY THE AMOUNT OF THE SPT. CAN YOU CLARIFY WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AS FAR AS THE SENSE?

>> YES. BASICALLY IF YOU LET THAT RATE COME DOWN AND YOU WANT TO GET IT BACK UP TO THE SAME LEVEL IT'S BEEN AT FOR THE PAST FIVE YEARS THE BOND ISSUE IS CURRENTLY STRUCTURED TO ADD THE FIVE SET THAT SERVICE TAX RATE TO PAY THOSE BONDS. FIVE CENTS.

0.05. >> SOME PEOPLE HAVE BEEN EMAILING ME ABOUT FIVE PERCENT. WE ARE TALKING FIVE CENTS.

>> COUNSELOR GREEN? >> HEIDI TO FOLLOW UP ON SOMETHING YOU SAID, I HAVE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WITHIN MY DISTRICTS WHO HAVE HOMES THAT ARE BELOW THE MEDIAN VALUE.

SOME OF THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN CARMEL.

THEY KEEP ASKING ME WHAT CAN YOU DO ABOUT TAX RELIEF AND PROPERTY TAX RELIEF? I WANT TO BE SURE SO PART OF IT IS THIS ASSESSED VALUE IS INCREASING.

>> THAT'S BASED OFF HOME SALES THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN THE CITY

OF CARMEL. >> YES EXACTLY.

I WILL BLAME THE SCHOOLS BECAUSE OF THE REFERENDUM.

I'M JUST KIDDING. DON'T WRITE THAT.

[LAUGHTER] >> THAT WAS COUNSELOR GREEN.

>> ALL RIGHT. >> GREEN.

>> I APPRECIATE THAT. FOR THE PEOPLE WITHIN MY DISTRICT WHO DO STRUGGLE TO PAY THEIR PROPERTY TAXES, IF WE DIDN'T APPROVE THIS IN THE TAX RATE DROPPED, WOULD THEY SEE SOME TYPE OF TAX RELIEF AND IF SO CAN YOU ANSWER THAT?

IF WE LET THE TAX RATE DROPPED? >> I WILL GO BACK TO YOU ALL ARE IN CONTROL OF THE CITY'S PORTION OF THE TAX RATE.

I HONESTLY DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OVERLAPPING TAX UNITS ARE DOING. IF THEY ARE ALL DOING THE SAME STRUCTURE AND INFILLING THE RATES THEY HAVE IN PLACE AND NOT LETTING THEM DROP THE TAX RATE WOULD BE THE SAME AS WHAT IT IS. AGAIN HE WOULD HAVE TO DO THE BREAKEVEN CALCULATION ON WHO IS HITTING CIRCUIT BREAKER AND WHO IS NOT. THIS BOND ISSUE IS NOT GOING TO BE THE REASON THERE IS AN INCREASE IN PEOPLE'S TAX BILLS WILL THEY SAY IN INCREASE? YES THEY WILL SEE AN INCREASE BECAUSE OF THE TWO COMPONENTS WE TALKED ABOUT ALREADY.

>> IF THE TAX RATE DROPPED IT WILL BE GIVEN A MESS?

>> YES AND I THINK IT WOULD BE WASHED OUT BECAUSE OF THE INCREASE THAT'S GOING TO OCCUR NATURALLY.

>> COUNSILOR AASEN? >> THANK YOU MR. PRESIDENT.

I HAVE TWO COMMENTS. IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE FROM THE FINANCE MEETING WHEN KIRK POINTED OUT THE 14 PERCENT AND INCREASED A V DOES NOT MEAN AVERAGE HOME HAD TO GO UP IN VALUE BY 14 PERCENT. IT ALSO INCLUDES GROWTH MEETING NEW HOMES THAT ARE BEING BUILT IN CARMEL.

IF SOMEONE IS SAYING ALL THE HOME PROPERTY VALUES WILL GO UP 14 PERCENT NO BECAUSE THERE'S NO HOMES IN THE OTHER COMMENT I WANT TO MAKE WRITTEN IN THIS BOND IT SAYS THIS MONEY CAN ONLY BE SPENT ON THE PATHS AND STREETS AND ROUNDABOUTS AND THERE'S NO ROUNDABOUT ART AND NO GRILLS OR ACTUALS THAT SPECIFICALLY SAYS IN THE LANGUAGE AND I'M SURE JOHN CAN CONFIRM THAT. THAT IS NOT INCLUDED IN THESE

BONDS. >> CORRECT.

YES AND YOU ALL HAVE THE BOND ORDINANCE AS ALYSSA PROJECTS A DETAILED IN IT AS WELL AS COUNSILOR WORRELL SUMMARIZE

EARLIER. >> COUNSELOR GREEN WANT TO

CLARIFY SOMETHING. >> WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT HOUSING COSTS GOING UP AND MAYBE THEY WILL BUT IF WE SEE SOME TYPE OF BUBBLE BURST AND RECESSION WHAT IMPACT WOULD THAT HAVE ON THE OVERALL COME YOU SAID WE HAVE THE TAX RATE

AT ASSESSED VALUE. >> THE TAX RATES ARE INVERSE OF EACH OTHER. TAX RATES COULD COME UP SLIGHTLY. YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN SIGNIFICANT GROWTH YEAR AFTER YEAR AND HER AVERAGE GROWTH HAS BEEN 5 TO 7

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>> COUNSELOR NELSON WAS SHARING WITH ME ADDING TRAFFIC CONTROL TO HIS RESUME AND IT WAS PERTINENT TO ONE OF THE ITEMS

IN OUR BOND ISSUE. >> THANK YOU PRESIDENT WRITER.

ONE OF THE PROJECTS WE ARE GRAPPLING WITH HAS TO DO WITH COMMERCIAL IN NATURE OR RESIDENTIAL IN NATURE.

AS I LOOK AT THIS LIST A LOT OF THESE THINGS I THINK INCLUDE SAFETY. WE HAVE A MOSQUE OPENING UP AND 141ST AND SHALL BORN SOONER THAT'S GOING TO INCREASE TRAFFIC IN THE AREA. IT IS GOOD TO SEE THERE'S A ROUNDABOUT ALLOCATION THERE. THIS ONE IS A LITTLE CLOSER TO HOME FOR ME. THIS HAPPENED AT 116TH AND HOOVER. I WAS INVOLVED IN A WRECK.

NOT DIRECTLY, MORE INDIRECTLY INVOLVED IN A WRECK SO SATURDAY AT 11:00 AND HAPPENS TO BE AN ISSUE I HEAR A LOT FROM CONCEPTION WAS IN THE WEST DISTRICT.

THAT IS AT 116TH AND HOOVER IT IS DANGEROUS.

FOR PEOPLE EXITING HOOVER AND GETTING ONTO 116TH ST..

WE HAVE A LOT OF TEENAGERS TRYING TO GET TO SCHOOL AND THEY ARE TRYING TO FILL OUT AND GET INTO THE LINE OF TRAFFIC AND PEOPLE ARE COMING BACK EAST AND WEST.

HE QUICKLY. I DON'T SEE A LOT OF WRECKS BUT OCCASIONALLY I DO AND THIS ONE WAS A BIG ONE.

AS I WAS DRIVING WEST TO GET BACK TO MY NEIGHBORHOOD THERE WAS A LONG LINE OF TRAFFIC. FINALLY AS I CREPT CLOSER AND CLOSER I SAW THERE WERE A NUMBER OF CARS THAT WERE BADLY DAMAGED IN THIS THREE OR FOUR CAR COLLISION.

I PULLED OFF TO THE SIDE BECAUSE A POLICEMAN HAD NOT ARRIVED YET SO I HOPPED OUT OF MY CAR TO SEE IF EVERYBODY WAS OKAY. EVERYBODY SURVIVED THEN GOD.

SOME OF THE PEOPLE WERE HURT. THIS CRUSH OF TRAFFIC WAS AROUND THEM SO I WAS ABLE TO COME ADRENALINE WAS PUMPING.

I WAS ABLE TO DIRECT TRAFFIC UNTIL THE POLICE GOT THERE.

I NOTICED MY ADRENALINE WAS POUNDING BECAUSE AS I WAS HAVING MY ARM LIKE THIS AND GETTING PEOPLE TO MOVE HIS ARM GOT LOCKED UP. I HAD TO DRIVE HOME WITH THIS ARM OUT OF THE WINDOW.

[LAUGHTER] >> HE DID NOT TELL ME THAT

PART. >> CLEARLY I WAS A LITTLE NERVOUS AND SCARED FOR ALL THOSE PEOPLE.

WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY HERE TO APPROVE SOMETHING THAT NOT ONLY WILL HELP TRAFFIC BUT POTENTIALLY SAVE LIVES SO I'M UP FOR THIS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> COUNSELOR HANDED? >> I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS. I WAS GOING TO THROW THIS AS

AMENDMENT. >> LET'S FINISH COMMENTS FIRST.

>> I FAILED TO REPORT BACK TO COUNSEL THAT THIS RETURNS FROM COMMITTEE WITH A TWO ÃONE POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION.

>> THANK YOU MR. PRESIDENT. >> I WANT TO ECHO WHAT COUNSELOR NELSON SAID THAT I WASN'T KEEN TO DO ANOTHER BOND BUT THERE ARE SO MANY PATH SEGMENTS AND THAT'S THE NUMBER ONE THING I GET ASKED FOR I'M ASSUMING SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF MY COLLEAGUES WE GET ASKED FOR AND THAT'S A SAFETY ISSUE AS WELL. GETTING PEOPLE AWAY FROM WALKING ON THE STREETS AND SOME OF THE BUGS OFF THE STREETS ONTO THE PATHWAY. WITH THE CHANGES THE SCHOOLMATE AND THE WALK DISTRICTS WE HAVE TO HAVE THESE PATH CONNECTIONS.

WE HAVE TO HAVE THEM I THINK IS A TOP PRIORITY FOR US AND THAT'S WHY I'M SUPPORTING IT AS WELL.

>> I'M NOT DONE. HEIDI? NOTABLE ISSUES. WE DIDN'T GET INTO THIS IS ONE THING I LOVE ABOUT YOUR COMPANY.

WHEN YOU DO PRODUCTIONS FOR US AND YOU WERE SHOWING AFFORDABILITY OF WHAT OUR PAYMENTS WOULD BE ASSESSED VALUE YOU FROZE ASSESSED VALUE AT 2023 LEVEL ALL THE WAY

THROUGH 2041: >> YES.

>> YOU ARE ASSUMING NO GROWTH. OUR AVERAGE GROWTH IS 3 TO 7 PERCENT SO I WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW WE DON'T DO THIS ON A WHIM. THESE ARE EXTREMELY CONSERVATIVE PROJECTIONS BUT WE DO THIS AND ALL THE BONDS YOU BRING TO US. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THE SPT REASONS WE DID THOSE IN THE OLD BONDS THAT COUNSILOR

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>> IT'S A CREDIT ENHANCEMENT TO GET A BETTER INTEREST RATE.

>> WE WERE SURE WE WOULD GET AFFORDED ESPECIALLY SINCE YOU ARE AS CONSERVATIVE AS YOU ARE THE REASON IS BECAUSE WE WANT TO SAVE MONEY. INFRASTRUCTURE.

NOT ONLY ARE REPORTING INFRASTRUCTURE IN SOME OF THE PROJECTS BEFORE US TONIGHT, SOME OF THE INFO STRUCTURE WILL GO THROUGH BREAD THAT IS. JEREMY ARE YOU ON?

>> YES. >> THANK YOU.

I WILL ASK YOU WHAT I ASKED YOU AT COMMITTEE.

EVEN IF WE WERE NOT BUILDING AT THIS TIME, THE PROJECT ON THE MONON SQUARE LAND, WAS INFRASTRUCTURE WE ARE PLANNING AND WITH THIS BOND ON THAT PROPERTY NOT PLANNED WITH OR

WITHOUT THAT DEVELOPMENT? >> WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING WITH THIS BOND WILL HELP BRING THE INFRASTRUCTURE THROUGH THE MONON SQUARE AREA UP TO A LEVEL OF FINISH WE HAVE IN THE OTHER AREAS. IN SOME INSTANCES WE WILL HAVE A DEVELOPER PAY FOR YOUR LOCAL ROADWAY IN A NEIGHBORHOOD SUBDIVISION. IN THIS INSTANCE THIS IS CONTINUING THE MONON TRAIL DOWN TO THE CITY CENTER AND ALSO BUILDING LOCAL ROADWAY THAT WORKS THROUGH MONON SQUARE.

>> WHEN WE DID RANGE LINE THE WAY WE DID WE DID WITH THE IDEA WE WOULD HAVE MORE NORTH, SOUTH WEST AND EAST CONNECTIVITY IS

THAT CORRECT? >> THAT IS CORRECT.

THIS HELPS BOLSTER THE GRID SYSTEM.

>> THIS BOND WILL FINISH THOSE CONNECTIONS?

>> YES. WITH THE MONON SQUARE INFRASTRUCTURE PART OF THIS BOND WE WILL FINISH VETERANS WAY SO WE WILL HAVE A COMPLETE CONNECTION FROM CARMEL DRIVE ALL THE WAY TO THE ROAD. QUICK THANK YOU AND SORRY WE HAD YOU ON JUST IN CASE SOMEBODY ASKED YOU A QUESTION I WANTED TO MAKE IT WORTHWHILE. THAT'S ALL I HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE DO ANY AMENDMENTS? LAURA? ANYTHING FOR US?OUNSILOR

CAMPBELL? >> NO I DO NOT.

>> COUNSELOR GREEN AND THEN COUNSILOR FINKAM?

>> ONE SPECIFIC PROJECT IN BETWEEN 96 AND 106 ON DITCH.

SINCE I'VE BEEN ELECTED TO THE COUNCIL IT'S BEEN A CONSISTENT PROBLEM OF HIGH WATER. A COUPLE WEEKS AGO I WAS DRIVING HOME FROM WORK AND I DIDN'T SEE THE WATER BUT THERE WAS A HUGE SIGN SAYING BE AWARE OF HIGH WATER.

ANY OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE AREA HAVE BEEN COMPLAINING ABOUT THE HIGH WATER AND WHAT TO DO WITH IT.

I'VE BEEN TALKING TO JEREMY FOR THE LAST SIX YEARS ON WHAT CAN BE DONE. FINALLY THERE IS MONEY ALLOTTED SPECIFICALLY IN THIS BOND TO GET IT DONE.

I APPRECIATE IT AND WISH IT WOULD'VE HAPPENED EARLIER.

SPECIFICALLY IT IS IN THE BONDS HOPEFULLY IT GOES THROUGH AND

THE WORK GETS DONE THIS TIME. >> I DO WANT TO REMIND PEOPLE COUNSILOR FINKAM WAS A NICE PARTNER ON THIS DURING THE STORM WATER. WHEN THOSE TYPES OF THINGS HAPPEN WHEN YOU REPORTED TO US THEY GET ON A LIST AND THERE'S A PRIORITY EVERY YEAR AND WE SPEND WHATEVER MONEY WE HAVE AND START OVER THE NEXT YEAR. COUNSILOR FINKAM?> I WANT TO POINT OUT BY NAME YOU ALLUDED TO COME ALSO TRIPLE A WAY.

WE'VE HAD A COUPLE TIMES ON THE LIST THAT THE FUNDS ROUNDABOUT CARMEL DRIVE WILL ALLOW US TO ACCESS AND EXTEND AAA WAY NORTH TO 2 INTRINSIC ST. WHICH WAS THE INTENT WE DID THE ROAD TO MAKE SURE WE HAD THE OTHER NORTH AND SOUTH CONNECTION.

I JUST WANT TO POINT THAT OUT. >> GOOD POINT THANK YOU.

COUNSELOR HANDED? >> ONE QUICK COMMENT.

I APPRECIATE HEIDI BEING HERE AND CERTAINLY COUNSILOR FINKAM POINTING OUT THE MISPERCEPTION OF SPT VERSUS SPT AND GOOD DISCUSSIONS. I'M GOING TO PROPOSE AN AMENDMENT TO EXHIBIT A SCRIPTURAL OF PROJECTS.

I'M VERY PLEASED THAT I THINK THE MAJORITY OF COUNSEL HAS BEEN PUSHING FOR FEELING AND OUR MULTI USE PATHWAYS WHICH IS CERTAINLY HELPING SAFETY AND GET PEOPLE OFF THE ROAD AND GIVES THEM A SAFE WAY TO TRANSIT.

GOOD FOR HEALTH BENEFITS AS WELL.

I WAS VERY PLEASED TO SEE THE MAYOR ALSO AGREED SHOULD BE TOP OF THE LIST. WHAT I'M PROPOSING IN THE NUMBER ONE WHICH IS INCREASING THE GAPS IN EXISTING CITY AND MULTI USE PATHWAYS IS ALSO TO ADD WITHIN THIS BOND AND PARTY NUMBER ONE IS SEPARATE CROSSINGS AT 106 STREET AND 111TH GRADE SEPARATED CROSSINGS ARE JUST ORDINALS AND HIS

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COMP PLAN IN 2007 AS WELL AS COMP PLAN THAT WE APPROVE TONIGHT CALLED FOR GRADE SEPARATED CROSSINGS AT 106 AND 111TH. IN 2007 UNTIL TODAY, THE NUMBER OF WRITERS ON THE MODOT HAS INCREASED TREMENDOUSLY FROM 2007 AND THE TRAFFIC HAS INCREASED 106 STREET AND 111 WILL CONTINUE INCREASIG BECAUSE OF DEVELOPMENT THE HOMEPLACE AND WE JUST TALKED ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT ON 111TH.

THERE'S THREE THINGS TO CONSIDER WHY WE SHOULD DO THIS VERSE CERTAINLY IS SAFETY AND I AGREE WITH COUNSELOR NELSON AS A PHYSICIAN AND A SAFETY GUIDE. IT IS HARD FOR CARS TO PEOPLE WHEN THEY'RE SEPARATED FROM THEM.

THE BEST WAY WE CAN PROTECT PEOPLE ON THE MONON WHETHER BIKERS OR PEDESTRIANS IS TO DO GREAT SEPARATIONS IT IS THE GOLD STANDARD AND I THINK WE'RE OVERDUE TO DO THAT.

THE SECOND THING I WANT TO POINT OUT AND THE MAYOR OFTEN CALLS THE MONON BEACHFRONT PROPERTY, IT IS THE PREMIER NORTH-SOUTH PATHWAY WITHIN INDIANA AND NOT JUST HAMILTON COUNTY. YOU IMPROVE THE EXPERIENCE FOR RIDERS AND WALKERS WHEN YOU HAVE SEPARATE PATHWAYS AND DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IF YOU'RE TRAVELING WITH YOUR KIDS. BUSY INTERSECTIONS AS WELL.

I THINK THE OTHER THING IS AND IMPROVES THE EXPERIENCE FOR DRIVERS. WHEN I CROSSED 106 STREET AND 111TH AND 136 I'M CONCERNED ABOUT HITTING SOMEONE AS WE GET BUSIER AND BUSIER TRAFFIC AND BUSIER AND BUSIER PEOPLE.

PEOPLE MAKING ERRORS AND PEOPLE DART OUT IN FRONT OF CARS REGARDLESS. FOR ALL THOSE REASONS FIRST AND FOREMOST SAFETY, TRAIL EXPERIENCE AS WELL AS EXPENSE OF DRIVERS, I WOULD ALSO SAY FLOW.

ONE THING THAT HAPPENS IS PEOPLE DO STOP OR DON'T STOP FOR PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC ON VERY BUSY MONON AND THE FLOW GETS INTERRUPTED. I WOULD PROPOSE AN AMENDMENT TO EXHIBIT A ITEM NUMBER ONE WHICH IS, I HAVE TO BRING UP THE EXACT LANGUAGE HERE SORRY. MULTI USE PATHWAYS TO INCLUDE IN THAT LINE OF COMPLETION OF VARIOUS MULTI USE PATHWAYS EXISTING ROAD SYSTEMS TO INCLUDE GRADE SEPARATED CROSSINGS OF HER 6TH STREET AND 111TH ST. FOR THE MONON.

>> GO AHEAD IF YOU WANT. >> DO SECOND IT?

>> COUNSILOR FINKAM? >> WE CAN HAVE SOME DISCUSSION.

I HAD A MEETING SCHEDULED WITH THE MAYOR AND ASKED IF IT'S OKAY TO BRING THIS UP. THE MAYOR SUPPORTED THIS BUT TIM I WANT TO CLARIFY IT WASN'T A PRIORITY BASIS.

WE WANT TO LOOK FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDING ON THIS.

IF WE PUT THAT AS A TOP PRIORITY WE CAN'T MOVE FORWARD ON THE OTHER PROJECTS WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S IN THE BOND SO JEREMY CAN LOOK FOR FEDERAL FUNDING.

>> I WANT TO ADD, JEREMY? >> I DON'T THINK THEY ARE IN A

PRIORITY ORDER ANYWAY. >> WELL THE PATHS ARE I THINK THE MOTHER ONE. JEREMY I WANT TO ASK YOU A

QUESTION. >> MICROPHONE?

>> YES THEY ARE LISTED IN PRIORITY ORDERS.

YOU LOOK AT EXHIBIT A IT IS PREFERENCE TO ONE THROUGH 12 IN THE FOLLOWING PRIORITY ORDER. IF YOU DO WANT THIS PROJECT BUT NOT AT THE TOP OF THE LIST YOU NEED TO THINK WHERE YOU WANT

THAT TO BE. >> MAY I ASK A QUESTION? PRIORITY EXHIBIT A BUT MULTI USE PATHS ARE LUMPED TOGETHER.

THE MULTI USE PATHS ON THE LIST ARE NOT IN PRIORITY? WHAT'S I DON'T THINK THE MULTI USE PATHS ARE PRIORITY BUT THE YOU TAKE PATHS IN A GROUP IS PRIORITY LIST.

>> IF WE PUT THE GRADE SEPARATED CROSSINGS WHICH MIGHT BE A LONG TIME IF JEREMY CAN GET DOLLARS AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL OR MPL LEVEL WHICH TECHNICALLY IS FEDERAL, IF WE CAN GET THAT IT MAY TAKE TIME. THE INTENT WASN'T TO HOLD UP EVERYTHING CORRECT? WE WANTED THEM SO WE CAN START

LOOKING FOR MONEY? >> THE IDEA JEREMY TELL ME IF I'M WRONG. TO ADD THESE TWO THE LIST AND IF YOU GET FEDERAL FUNDING FOR ANY PROJECT ON HERE WE CAN GO FURTHER DOWN THE LIST ANYTIME WE DO A BOND THIS IS $62 MILLION AFTER WHATEVER COST. 61 SOMETHING.

YOU HAVE 83 MILLION WORTH OF PROJECTS IF MY NUMBERS ARE CORRECT IN MY HEAD. THE IDEA FOR THAT IS IN CASE YOU GET FEDERAL OR STATE FUNDS WE CAN CONTINUE TO MOVE DOWN AND NOT HAVE TO COME BACK AND ADD THINGS.

I THINK IF WE ARE GOING TO DO AN AMENDMENT WE WILL ADD THIS

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>> AS WE PUT TOGETHER THE LIST THE BREAKDOWN ON THE MULTI USE PATHS WE TOOK ESTIMATE OF WHAT WE FEEL LIKE IT'S A PRIORITY ON THOSE PROJECTS. THE 134 I PRESENTED AT THE FINANCE COMMITTEE WAS WHAT WE ESTIMATED AS A PRIORITY FOR THE PATHWAYS. I WILL SAY IF THIS GETS ADDED IN WE CAN PROBABLY DO IS QUICKLY MOVE INTO SOME KIND OF PRELIMINARY SCOPING FACE TO GET AN IDEA OF WHAT EACH OF THESE GREAT SEPARATIONS WOULD COST. IN MY HEAD RIGHT NOW I'M THINKING PROBABLY IN THE $5 MILLION RANGE PER CROSSING.

THAT'S ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS WHY WE WOULD TRY TO SEEK ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR THOSE PROJECTS.

>> THANK YOU. >> I WANT TO MAKE ONE MORE POINT BUT WE NEED TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AS WELL.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE. >> IS UNDER PUBLIC HEARING THANK YOU. COUNSELOR HANNON?

>> THE MOST IMPORTANT THING FOR ME IS IT IS ON THE LIST.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE AND THIS IS MORE TO JEREMY AND THE MAYOR THAT COUNSEL IS INVOLVED IN HOW WE PRIORITIZE THIS.

ALL THE PROJECTS TO COUNSILOR FINKAM! IS WE HAVE ALL THE MU PIECE FOR SURE OR ONLY PARTIALLY BASED UPON THESE I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE AN ONGOING CONVERSATION.

THE OTHER PIECE IS I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE NOT ADDING THEM TO THE LIST. ONLY TO PUSH FOR FEDERAL FUNDING. I THINK WE NEED TO BE COMMITTED TO DOING BOTH WHETHER IT IS MATCHING FEDERAL FUNDS BUT WE WILL PUT THEM ON THE LIST I THINK WE NEED TO BE COMMITTED TO FUNDING THEM WHILE WERE LOOKING FOR ALTERNATE FUNDING.

>> I WANT TO CLARIFY YOUR AMENDMENT IS ASKING IT BE ADDED TO THE LIST NOT AT HIS NUMBER ONE AS A PRIORITY?

>> I WOULD BE FINE WITH THAT. >> THE SECOND IS SECOND IN THAT? ANY COMMENTS?

>> JACOB? >> CAN I ASK ONE?

>> ONE COMMENT. 106 AND WHEN OUR 11TH WOULD BE TWO OF THE FOUR CROSSINGS WE HAVE SO THE OTHER CROSSING IS 96 STREET AND THE SMOKY ROAD WHICH WE ARE MAKING SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO. DO WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT THE COST RAMIFICATIONS OF THOSE CROSSINGS ARE AT THE SAME TIME? WHAT'S IN MY OPINION THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE.

COUNSEL? I THINK YOU ARE GETTING A YES FROM THE COUNCIL. BOOKS I WOULD BE HAPPY TO AMEND THE MOTION. I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT 96.

ARE WE ACCOUNTABLE FOR THAT RATHER THAN INDIANAPOLIS?

BECAUSE IT IS SOUTHERN BORDER? >> THAT IS OUR JURISDICTION YES. BOOKS AGAIN I'M HAPPY TO AMEND MY AMENDMENT AND HAVE THE GREAT SEPARATOR CROSSINGS IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER. 96, WHEN PARLIAMENT HEARD.

>> SECOND GO WITH THAT? COUNSILOR FINKAM?

>> I JUST SAY I SUPPORT THIS. I GET NERVOUS AT THIS CROSSINGS WHEN YOU WATCH CARS FLY THROUGH THEIR AS WE INCREASE OUR DENSITY OF POPULATION AND WE HAVE MORE ACTIVE USERS ON THE MONON IT MAKES ME NERVOUS AND I REALLY SUPPORT THIS.

>> JACOB? >> COUNSELOR GREEN? COUNSELOR COUNSILOR AASEN? COUNSILOR WORRELL? COUNSILOR CAMPBELL? COUNSILOR CAMPBELL? COUNSILOR GREEN? A ÃZERO.

>> NOW WE CAN HAVE WITH THE PUBLIC CAN COMMENT ON BECAUSE WE'VE DONE OUR WORK. I'M GOING TO OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:34 PM AND 30 SECONDS.

ANYBODY WISHING TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THESE MAKE YOUR WAY TO THE MICROPHONE. SIR? I JUST NEED YOUR NAME AND IF YOU'RE A RESIDENT OF CARMEL.

>> BILL MCGINNIS RESIDENT OF THE CARMEL.

THIS IS NOT A COMMENT ABOUT THAT BUT ABOUT DANGEROUS INTERSECTIONS. VETERANS WAY AND MAIN STREET.

I SEE CARS BUZZING THROUGH THERE AND THERE'S KIDS ON THE STREETS AND SOMEBODY IS GOING TO GET HIT.

THAT'S ONE YOU GO LOOK AT IF YOU GO FORWARD WITH THIS THAT'S

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ALL. >> THANK YOU.

>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS FOR OR AGAINST? I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:55:25.

WE ARE NOW DEALING WITH THIS AS AMENDED.

DO I HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR A MOTION?

>> MOVED TO APPROVE? WHAT'S SECOND.

>> ANY COMMENTS? JACOB? COUNSILOR GREEN? COUNSILOR WORRELL? COUNSILOR CAMPBELL? COUNSILOR FINKAM? COUNSILOR RIDER? EIGHT ÃZERO.

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>> ORDINANCE D 2644 22. AN ORDINANCE OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL INDIANA AUTHORIZING CERTAIN IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE SEWAGE WORKS SYSTEM OF THE CITY OF CARMEL INDIANA AND THE ISSUANCE OF REVERENCE BONDS AND BOND ANTICIPATION NOTES TO PROVIDE THE COST THEREOF, AND THE OTHER MATTERS CONNECTED THERE WITH AND SPONSORS ARE COUNSILOR

RIDER AND NELSON. >> MOVED TO INTRODUCE?

>> THIS IS EXCITING A BOND ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING THE ISSUANCE OF REVENUE BONDS PAYABLE FROM THE NET REVENUES OF THE CITIES SEWAGE WORKS UTILITY AND BOND ANTICIPATION NOTES THE FINANCE VARIOUS WASTEWATER IMPROVEMENTS IN THE

CITY. >> MR. DUFFY AND MAY I SAY THE FINEST UTILITY IN THE CITY OF INDIANA.

>> THANK YOU I APPRECIATE THAT. GOOD EVENING COUNCILMEMBERS.

THIS IS A $10.5 MILLION REVENUE BOND FOR THE WASTEWATER UTILITY. FUNDED BY SEWER RATES AND WILL NOT INITIATE RATE INCREASE OTHER THAN THREE PERCENT ANNUAL RATE INCREASE THAT'S BEEN APPROVED.

THE PROJECTS IN THE BOND, PTHERE'S THREE OF THEM TO OUR RELATED. THE FIRST ONE IS EXPANSION OF 106 STREET CEMETERY STATION WHICH IS AT 106 STREET AND HAZEL DELL. CLOSE TO THE RIVER BED FACILITY HAS BEEN THERE FOR 40 YEARS PLUS.

IT'S ADDED A VARIETY OF IMPROVEMENTS OVER THE YEARS.

IT'S TIME TO EXPAND THE PUMPING CAPACITY AND THE WELL CAPACITY AND MAKE OTHER IMPROVEMENTS. IT WILL BRING THE PUMPING CAPACITY UP TO 36 MILLION GALLONS A DAY.

CAN'T SAY FOR CERTAIN THAT IT SHOULD BE THE LAST EXPANSION AS CARMEL BUILDS OUT. WE WANT TO GET AHEAD OF THE GAME AND STAY AHEAD OF THE GAME.

IT IS A CRITICAL PIECE OF INFRASTRUCTURE FOR US AND NOTHING, NOT A PIECE OF INFRASTRUCTURE WE WANT TO FALL BEHIND ON. THE NEXT PROJECT IS REPLACE PIPING AT OUR WASTEWATER PLANT AND WE HAVE FOUR DIGESTERS.

THAT PIPING OF THE DIGESTERS ARE ALSO 40 YEARS OLD.

THE PIPING IS OLD. THE DIGESTER GAS DOES PRODUCE IN THE ANAEROBIC PROCESS IS EXTREMELY CORROSIVE.

SIMPLY PUT IT IS TIME TO REPLACE THE.

WE HELD OFF ON THIS WE WANT TO EXPAND THE PLANT FIRST THE DIGESTERS NOW NEED ATTENTION. WE WILL REPLACE THE PIPING AND DO SOME OTHER IMPROVEMENTS TO THE DIGESTER COVERS AND THE OVERALL CONCRETE. THIRD PROJECT IS SOMETHING THAT IS RELATED TO THE DIGESTER PIPING IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT. THE ANAEROBIC DIGESTER PROCESS PRODUCES A BIOGAS, 95,000 CUBIC FEET A DAY.

WE ARE USING APPROXIMATELY 50 PERCENT OF THAT IN OUR BIOGAS PROCESS WHICH ALLOWS US TO APPLY OUR SLUDGE ON LOCAL FARM FIELDS. WE HAVE NEVER COME UP WITH A MEANS TO DEAL WITH THE BALANCE OF THAT GAS AND THE FLARE YOU SEE PARTICULARLY AT NIGHT. THAT'S THE GASPING FLARED AND IT'S ESSENTIALLY BEING WASTED AND CLEARED OFF INTO THE ATMOSPHERE WHICH IS NOT GOOD. OVER THE YEARS WE LOOKED AT MANY THINGS. WHAT HAS COME TO PASS IS WITH THE RENEWABLE ENERGY CREDITS, THE INTERESTS OF LOCAL GAS PROVIDERS AND OUR BIOGAS NOW. THAT I WANT TO TAKE IT AND PAY MARKET RATES FOR IT. THAT HAS BEEN A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS IN THE BIOGAS MARKET.

IT IS VERY ATTRACTIVE. SOMETHING THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE A WHILE BACK AND DIDN'T MAKE THE PROJECT COST EFFECTIVE BUT IT

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IN ADDITION TO THAT IN AUGUST PRESENT BUT INSIDE THE INFLATION REDUCTION ACT WHICH IS ADDITIONAL INCENTIVES TO REUSE BIOGAS AND RENEWABLE. WE HAVE A STRONG POTENTIAL OF GETTING 30 PERCENT OF THE GAS CLEANING PROCESS PAID FOR AS WELL IS POTENTIALLY 30 PERCENT OF THE PIPING PROJECT PAY FOR AS WELL. THROUGH THE INFLATION REDUCTION ACT. THERE'S A LOT OF DETAILS SOME OF WHICH HAVEN'T BEEN PUBLISHED YET.

WE ARE VERY OPTIMISTIC THAT WILL BE THE CASE.

THERE ARE THREE PROJECTS, TWO OF WHICH ARE CRITICAL TO GET DONE AND THE THIRD ICY IS AN EXTRA BONUS BOTH FROM A GREEN AND FINANCIAL STANDPOINT. BRAD BINGHAM WITH THORNBURG IS HERE WHO DRAFTED THE ORDINANCE AND SCOTT MILLER WITH BAKER TILLY IS ALSO HERE WHO DID THE RATE ANALYSIS TO MAKE SURE WE CAN AFFORD THE BOND. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR

THEM THEY ARE AVAILABLE. >> MR. DUFFY OUT OF RESPECT BECAUSE I CONSIDER YOU A FRIEND WE WERE TOGETHER A LONG TIME I CAN'T LET YOU GET UP AND TALK ABOUT THIS WITHOUT GIVING YOU CREDIT THAT WE CAN DO THIS AND NOT RAISE OUR RATE.

IT'S HOW YOU OPERATE OUR UTILITY.

PEOPLE DON'T TALK ABOUT OUR UTILITY A LOT.

AS I SAID I BELIEVE IS THE FINEST IN THE STATE OF INDIANA IF NOT ANYWHERE ELSE DON'T KNOW OTHER ONES.

WHAT YOU DO AND WHAT YOUR TEAM DOES BECAUSE YOU CAN'T DO IT WITHOUT YOUR TEAM, FOR THE CITY OF CARMEL, THE RATES ARE LOWER THAN ANYBODY AROUND US. IT I ALWAYS BRAG ABOUT OUR CITY BECAUSE WITH OUR INFRASTRUCTURE AND POLICE AND FIRE AND UTILITY WE ARE PROACTIVE NOT REACTIVE. YOU STAY AHEAD OF OUR NEEDS AND

I TRULY APPRECIATE THAT. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> COUNCIL ANY COMMENTS? COUNCILOR NELSON?

>> MR. DUFFY IT WAS TWO YEARS AGO I SENT WITH YOU GUYS IN YOUR OFFICE AND I SHOWED YOUR PICTURE OF THE HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS THAT I PROMISED I WOULD GET THIS DONE FOR.

YOU PROMISED ME YOU WOULD TAKE CARE OF IT AND I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU AND THANK YOU ON BEHALF OF ALL THOSE KIDS.

THANK YOU. >> COUNSILOR WORRELL.

>> I'M GOING TO POINT OUT THIS IS A $12 MILLION BOND AND THERE ARE SELF-PROCLAIMED PROPONENTS THAT RUN AROUND TALKING ABOUT CARAMELS LARGE AMOUNT OF DEBT. THIS IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE LIKE THE DEVELOPER BACK BONDS NOT PAID FOR BY THE CITY, ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THE AMOUNT OF DEBT THAT WILL GO ON TO DEBT THAT ALREADY EXISTS. WE DID ANOTHER BOND DURING LAST BUDGET TWO YEARS AGO. THERE IS SIGNIFICANT, NOT SIGNIFICANT BUT THERE IS DEBT THAT IS PAID FOR BY USER FEES.

THIS IS NOT THEIR PROPERTY TAXES OR LOCAL INCOME TAXES.

IT IS USER FEES AND SELF-CONTAINED BUT STILL GETS LUMPED INTO THE NUMBER. I'M JUST TRYING THAT DISTINCTION BECAUSE I WILL WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORT THIS AND APPRECIATE YOUR PROACTIVE EFFORT TO KEEP THINGS MOVING.

I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION I WANT TO ASK, NOT NECESSARILY RELATED TO THIS. DO WE HAVE A ROAD THAT DOES NOT HAVE A FIRE HYDRANT ON IT? X YES WE DO.

VERY FEW NOW. 6 POINTS RD.

BETWEEN 136, I'M SORRY 1/31 MAIN STREET AND 136.

THAT'S A FUTURE PROJECT COMING. >> IT IS COMING BUT NOT PART OF

THIS BOND. >> NOT PART OF THIS BOND.

>> DOES NOT GET PAID FOR BY DEVELOPMENT OR SOMETHING YOU

DO? >> IT COULD BE BOTH.

THERE ARE SOME RESIDENTS ON 6 POINT RD.

THAT WOULD LIKE TO HAVE WATER INSTALLED.

WE LIKELY WILL PUT IT IN OURSELVES AND RESIDENTS WILL PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE OF THAT. IF IT DOES DEVELOP THE MAIN WILL BE THERE. THERE'S ALSO SOME BENEFIT TO THE OVERALL WATER SYSTEM BY GETTING A MAIN ON 6 POINT RD.

AS FAR AS WHETHER CONVENIENCE. >> THANK YOU.

>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I DO WANT TO REPEAT YOU SAID DURING YOUR PRESENTATION BUT I WANT TO REPEAT TO MAKE A POINT, THIS DOES NOT REQUIRE A RATE INCREASE CORRECT?

>> THAT IS CORRECT. I WANT TO MAKE THAT POINT AGAIN. ASK I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE

THE 2644. >> I WILL SUSPEND THE RULES.

>> ANY DISCUSSION? >> PLEASE VOTE.

COUNCILOR GREEN? >> COUNSILOR RIDER? COUNSILOR WORRELL? COUNSILOR FINKAM?

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>> I WILL NOW ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

>> I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.

>> I WILL SECOND. >> COUNSILOR AASEN? COUNSILOR WORRELL? COUNSILOR CAMPBELL? COUNSILOR FINKAM? COUNSILOR GREEN? COUNSILOR RIDER?OUNSILOR KIMBALL?

EIGHT ÃZERO. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU. >> FIRST READING OF ORDINANCE D 2640 Ã22. ORDINANCE OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL INDIANA FIXING SALARIES OF APPOINTED OFFICERS AND EMPLOYEES OF THE CARMEL CITY CLERK FOR THE YEAR 2023 SPONSOR. COUNSELORS NELSON CAMPBELL AND

WORLD. >> MOVED TO INTRODUCE.

>> ESTABLISHES 2023 MAXIMUM SALARIES FOR EMPLOYEES OF THE

CARMEL CITY CLERK. >> ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE RECOMMENDATION FROM OUR CLERK?

>> I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> MOVED TO SUSPEND THE RULES.

>> THANK YOU. >> SECOND.

>> COUNSILOR GREEN? COUNSILOR WORRELL? COUNSILOR CAMPBELL? COUNSILOR FINKAM? COUNSILOR RIDER? COUNSILOR KIMBALL? COUNSILOR AASEN? EIGHT ÃZERO.

>> SECOND. JACOB?

>> COUNSILOR WORRELL? COUNSILOR CAMPBELL? COUNSILOR FINKAM? COUNSILOR GREEN? COUNSILOR RIDER?OUNSILOR KIMBALL? COUNSILOR AASEN? EIGHT ÃZERO.

>> SEE FIRST READING OF ORDINANCE 2641 22.

ORDINANCE OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL INDIANA AXING SALARIES OF THE APPOINTED OFFICERS AND EMPLOYEES OF THE CARMEL CITY COURT FOR THE YEAR 2023 SPONSOR IS COUNSILOR RIDER

AND COUNSILOR FINKAM? >> THERE IS NO SUMMARY.

THIS BASICALLY FIXES SALARIES OF THE OFFICERS AND EMPLOYEES

OF THE CARMEL CITY COURT. >> ANY DISCUSSION? IF NOT I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

REX MR. PRESIDENT MOVED TO SUSPEND THE RULES.

JACOB?? >> COUNSILOR WORRELL? COUNSILOR CAMPBELL? COUNSILOR FINKAM? COUNSILOR GREEN? COUNSILOR RIDER?OUNSILOR KIMBALL? NELSON?

EIGHT ÃZERO. >> MOVED TO APPROVE.

>> COUNCILOR GREEN? COUNSILOR WORRELL? VAN TIEU? COUNSILOR FINKAM? COUNSILOR RIDER? COUNSILOR KIMBALL? COUNSILOR AASEN? EIGHT ÃZERO.

THANK YOU. FIRST READING OF ORDINANCE D 2642 22. IN ORDINANCE OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL INDIANA FIXING SALARIES OF APPOINTED OFFICERS AND EMPLOYEES OF THE CITY OF CARMEL

INDIANA WITH THE YEAR 2023. >> ESTABLISHES 2023 MAXIMUM SALARIES FOR EMPLOYEES OF THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH.

>> I MOVED TO SUSPEND THE RULES.

>> SECOND. >> COUNSILOR GREEN? COUNSILOR WORRELL? COUNSILOR CAMPBELL? COUNSILOR FINKAM? COUNSILOR RIDER? COUNSILOR KIMBALL? COUNSILOR AASEN? EIGHT ÃZERO. LOOKS ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

REX MR. PRESIDENT I WANT TO MAKE THE POINT WE'VE STUDIED THESE IN BUDGET AND UNDERSTAND THEM THOSE BIT INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS AND THAT'S WHY WE MOVED TO THESE QUICKLY BUT I

MOVED TO IMPROVE D 2642 22. >> JACOB? COUNSILOR GREEN? TRAFFICKING? COUNSILOR WORRELL? COUNSILOR CAMPBELL? COUNSILOR FINKAM? COUNSILOR RIDER? COUNSILOR KIMBALL? EIGHT ÃZERO.

>> WE SUSPEND AND APPROVE THAT RIGHT? FIRST READING OF ORDINANCE D 2643 22 AND ORDINANCE OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL INDIANA FIXING SALARIES OF ELECTED OFFICIALS OF THE CITY OF CARMEL INDIANA FOR THE YEAR 2023. BOOKS MOVED TO INTRODUCE.

>> ESTABLISHES 2023 SALARIES FOR CARAMELS ELECTED OFFICIALS? WHAT'S MOVED TO SUSPEND THE RULES.

>> COUNSILOR GREEN? COUNSILOR WORRELL? COUNSILOR CAMPBELL? COUNSILOR FINKAM? COUNSILOR RIDER? COUNSILOR KIMBALL? COUNSILOR AASEN? EIGHT ÃZERO.

>> ONE MORE TIME. >> MOVED TO APPROVE.

>> SECOND. >> COUNSILOR GREEN?

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>> NEXT WE HAVE AGENDA ADD-ON ITEMS THERE IS NONE OTHER

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ANYBODY COUNCIL COMMENT ON THIS I WILL TALK TO STAFF AND MAKE SURE EVERYWHERE THE LAND IS UNDEVELOPED WE WILL BE ASKING PEOPLE AS THEY DEVELOP THE LAND TO CONTRIBUTE TO OUR FUND TO PAY US BACK. ON UNDEVELOPED LAND.

ANYBODY OBJECTED THAT ON THE COUNCIL?

>> COUNSILOR FINKAM? WE WOULD GET IT THAT WAY AND THAT'S WHAT A LOT OF THESE GAPS EXIST.

SOME OF IT IS UNDEVELOPED LAND OR LAND DEVELOPED BEFORE WE DID THIS. ON THE END OF UNDEVELOPED LAND I WOULD LIKE A CHANCE OF REDISCOVERING OUR MONEY.

ANY OTHER ANNOUNCEMENTS? WE ARE

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