Oct 17, 2022 City Council Meeting 10-17-22

[1. CALL TO ORDER]

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>> I LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING OCTOBER 17 OF THE CARMEL CITY

[2. AGENDA APPROVAL]

APPROVAL. >> SECOND.

[3. INVOCATION]

>> WE ACTUALLY GET TO DO THIS TONIGHT THAT IS AWESOME.

NEXT WE HAVE THE INVOCATION. AND TONIGHT WE HAVE THE HONOR OF HAVING CANTOR MELISSA COHEN CONGREGATION BETHEL STATIC.

I HAVE TO MAKE SURE I SAID THAT RIGHT.

THANK YOU MILES. WELCOME.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. THIS TIME ON THE JEWISH CALENDAR MARKED THE CONCLUSION OF OUR SEASON OF HOLY DAYS AND FESTIVAL OBSERVANCES. AS WE TRANSITION FROM THE SACRED TO THE ORDINARY WE BEGIN OUR NEW YEAR HAVING OFFERED NEARLY A MONTH'S WORTH OF PRAYERS, OF GRATITUDE AND THANKSGIVING. RENEWING THE CYCLE OF OUR YEAR FILLED WITH ITS JOYS AND SORROWS, SUCCESSES AND FAILURES AND KEENLY AWARE OF THE GIFT OF THE LIFE WE ARE GRANTED BY OUR CREATOR. IN THE SPIRIT OF GATHERING AND THANKSGIVING ON THE HEELS OF THE SACRED TIME, MAY THIS COULD COUNSEL BE BLESSED AND BE BOUND AND UNIFIED IN THE SPIRIT OF DEMOCRACY.AY THIS COUNCIL MAKES SOUND AND JUST DECISIONS ON BEHALF OF OF OUR BELOVED CITY THAT YOU MAY EMBRACE ITS DIVERSITY AND RECOGNIZE EQUITY AND INCLUSION OF ALL.

I'M HONORED TO BLESS THIS SEEMED ASSEMBLY TODAY IN THE WORDS OF THE PSALMIST. [INAUDIBLE] BEHOLD HOW GOOD AND PLEASANT IT IS FOR FRIENDS TO SIT TOGETHER IN UNITY.

FOR IT IS IN UNITY THAT WE ALL ARE STRENGTHENED AS WE SAY IN OUR JEWISH FAITH AT THE CONCLUSION OF READING A BOOK OF SCRIPTURE. [INAUDIBLE] BE STRONG BE STRONG AND BE STRENGTHENED. TO THIS WE SAY AMEN.

[4. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. PLEASE RISE AND JOIN US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE PLEASE. COUNSELOR GREEN.

>> I PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

[5. RECOGNITION OF CITY EMPLOYEES AND OUTSTANDING CITIZENS]

>> NEXT WE HAVE RECOGNITION OF CITY EMPLOYEES AND OUTSTANDING CITIZENS. COUNSILOR WORRELL?

>> IT IS MY HONOR TO READ THE CITY OF CARMEL PROCLAMATION.

WE HAVE OUR HINDU AMERICAN COMMUNITY HERE WITH US TONIGHT SO WELCOME AND THIS IS ON YOUR BEHALF.

WHEREAS THERE IS ESTIMATED ONE BILLION HINDUS WORLDWIDE AT APPROXIMATELY 3.4 MILLION HINDU AMERICANS WHO LIVE ACROSS THE NATION AND WHEREAS THE HINDU HERITAGE, CULTURE, TRADITIONS AND VALUES PROVIDE INVALUABLE SOLUTIONS TO MANY OF LIFE'S PROBLEMS AND OFTEN SERVED AS A SOURCE OF INSPIRATION.

REFLECTION AND CONTEMPLATION FOR THE MILLIONS OF INDIVIDUALS WHO LOOK TO THE TEACHINGS OF HINDUISM FOR GUIDANCE.

WHEREAS THE VIBRANT HINDU AMERICAN COMMUNITY HAS CONTRIBUTED TREMENDOUSLY TO THE VITALITY OF THE CITY OF CARMEL BY ENRICHING THE LIVES OF ITS CITIZENS AND WHEREAS DURING THE MONTH OF OCTOBER 2022 THE HINDU COMMUNITY ACROSS THE CITY OF CARMEL AND OUR GREAT NATION WILL COLLECTIVELY CELEBRATE ITS HERITAGE BY FOCUSING ON ITS CULTURE AND THE DIVERSE SPIRITUAL TRADITIONS ROOTED IN INDIA.

NOW THEREFORE I JAMES MAYNARD MAYOR OF THE CITY OF CARMEL INDIANA DO HEREBY PROCLAIM OCTOBER 2022 AS HINDU AMERICAN AWARENESS AND APPRECIATION MONTH IN THE CITY OF CARMEL INDIANA AND INVITE ALL CITIZENS TO DULY NOTE THIS OCCASION.

CONGRATULATIONS.

[APPLAUSE] >> WILL YOU PLEASE JOIN US AT THE MICROPHONE? AFTERWARDS WE ARE GOING TO ASK EVERYONE WHO WANTS TO COME UP AND GET A PICTURE UP FRONT.

WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE YOU. >> THANK YOU CITY COUNCIL FOR INVITING AND READING THE RESOLUTION TO DECLARE OCTOBER

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[INAUDIBLE] AND I'VE BEEN A CARMEL RESIDENT SINCE MAY OF LAST YEAR. LET ME SAY THIS.

I LOVE THE ROUNDABOUTS IN THE CITY.

I IMMIGRATED TO THE UNITED STATES IN 1982 AND HAVE BEEN AT HOOSIER SINCE 2009. HINDUISM OR HINDU IS THE THIRD LARGEST RELIGION AND IS GENERALLY CONSIDERED THE OLDEST RELIGION IN THE WORLD. IT HAS OVER A BILLION WORLDWIDE AND OVER 6 MILLION UNITED STATES WHICH IS ABOUT TWO PERCENT OF THE POPULATION. APART FROM THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL MORE MILLION AMERICANS WHO HAVE ADAPTED INTO HINDU PRACTICES IN THEIR LIVES. YOGA, MEDITATION WHICH IS HOLISTIC AND INTEGRATED APPROACH TO MEDICINE.

IN 1960 THERE WERE ONLY 12,000 IMMIGRANTS IN THIS COUNTRY.

THEN THE LANDMARK 1965 IMMIGRATION ACT HAPPENED.

THIS ACT EXPLICITLY ABOLISHED THE DISCRIMINATION NATIONAL ORIGINS ORDERS AND OTHER PRACTICES.

THIS AND OTHER IMMIGRATION LAWS OPEN THE DOORS WORLD WIDELY TO SKILLED AND EDUCATED IMMIGRANTS FROM INDIA.

HINDUS HAVE COME A LONG WAY FROM THE NOTION OF " LEAST DESIRABLE RACE OF 1911 U.S. IMMIGRATION COMMISSION " TO ONE OF THE HIGHEST EARNING PER CAPITA IN ONE OF THE HIGHEST IN EDUCATION. HINDU IMMIGRANTS HAVE EXCELLED IN EVERY FIELD, SCIENCE, TECHNOLOGY, ENGINEERING, MEDICINE AND BUSINESS AND OTHER FIELDS.

THEY STARTED BUSINESSES AND CREATED JOBS AND JOIN ARMED FORCES TO DIFFERENT NATIONS. NOW THE SECOND AND THIRD GENERATION HINDUS ARE CARING FOR A THE TRADITION OF THEIR PARENTS AND GRANDPARENTS, OF EDUCATION AND HARD WORK TO MAKE OUR NATION STRONGER. TODAY HINDU AMERICANS ARE CEOS OF SOME OF THE BIGGEST CORPORATIONS OF THE UNITED STATES. ALPHABET WHICH IS THE PARENT COMPANY OF GOOGLE, MICROSOFT, TWITTER, FEDEX, BARCLAYS, CHANEL, ADOBE, IBM, MICRON TECHNOLOGY AND WAYFARER.

OUT OF THE TWO OF THEM ARE WOMEN AND ONE OF THEM IS THE FIRST WOMAN CEO FOR CHANEL. DESPITE THIS CONTRIBUTION BY THE HINDUS IN AMERICA THEY FACE STEREOTYPES AND MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT THEIR HERITAGE AND HAVE BEEN THE TARGETS OF BULLYING, DETERMINATION, HATE SPEECH AND BIAS MOTIVATED CRIMES.

WE HOPE THE CITY OF CARMEL CONDEMNS SUCH A TARGETING OF HINDUS AND STANDS WITH US AGAINST SUCH BIGOTRY.

HINDU AMERICANS HAVE BEEN LAW-ABIDING AND PEACEFUL IN NATURE ND THEY OUTLOOK HAS BEEN TRULY SLICK AND RESPECTFUL OF OTHER FAITHS THROUGH THE FESTIVAL REP SHOT AND THROUGH INTERNATIONAL DAY OF YOGA AND THROUGH SERVICE AND SERVICE ACTIVITIES, THEY HAVE INTEGRATED AND HELPED LEAD THE FABRIC OF OUR COMMUNITY TO HELP OUR NEIGHBORS HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF HINDU AMERICAN HISTORY AND CULTURE.

THROUGHOUT THE YEAR 2022 HINDU ORGANIZATIONS HAVE BEEN ORGANIZING HINDU AWARENESS WORKSHOPS AND EXHIBITIONS AND SEMINARS AT VARIOUS LOCATIONS IN INDIANA AND IN OTHER STATES AS WELL. SOME OF THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS MR. MILES NELSON, I'M SORRY AND LAURA CAMPBELL HAVE WORKED AT SUCH EVENTS. WE INVITE YOU ALL TO CELEBRATE AT THE HINDU TEMPLE ON GERMAN CHURCH ROAD NEXT TUESDAY AT 7:15 PM. THERE IS FREE DINNER FOR ALL OF US. WE APPRECIATE THIS A WARM WELCOME THE CITY HAS AWARDED TO US.

LAST YEAR 50 CITIES IN 20 STATES HAVE DECLARED THE MONTH OF OCTOBER IS THE HINDU HERITAGE MONTH AND WE REQUEST TO PASS THE RESOLUTION OF DECLARE OCTOBER AS THE HINDU HERITAGE MONTH IN THE CITY OF CARMEL.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

[APPLAUSE] >> THANK YOU.

COUNSEL? [INAUDIBLE]

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[LAUGHTER] >> AND GIVE VERY MUCH.

NEXT WE HAVE BLUE CARDS RECOGNITION OF PEOPLE WHO WISH TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL. WE HAVE NONE THIS EVENING.

COUNSEL MERRILL COMMENTS AND OBSERVATIONS.

[8. CONSENT AGENDA]

9>> MOVED TO APPROVE. >> ANY DISCUSSION.

PLEASE VOTE. (VOTING) WE HAVE EIGHT ÃZERO.

THANK YOU. ACTION ON MERRILL VETOES WE HAVE NONE. A. FINANCE, UTILITIES AND

RULES. >> THANK YOU MR. PRESIDENT WE HAVE NOT MET B. LAND USE AND SPECIAL STUDIES.

[11. OTHER REPORTS – (at the first meeting of the month specified below)]

>> MR. PRESIDENT WE HAVE NOT MET EITHER.

THIS IS GOING EASY. C. ALL REPORTS DESIGNATED BY WE HAVE THE CARMEL HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION.

WELCOME. >> THANK YOU WE DID MEET.

JUST A BRIEF REPORT. HE RECEIVED ONE FROM ME BUT THERE ARE ABOUT THREE ITEMS I WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT.

ONE IS THE WORK THE STAFF DID ON THE FAC'ADE GRANT PROGRAM STARTING THROUGH THE SUMMER. THOSE 500 OR SO LETTERS WENT OUT TO PROPERTY OWNERS WHO WERE ELIGIBLE FOR THE FAC'ADE GRANT WHICH MEANS WE HAVE TO GO RESEARCH THE PROPERTY OWNERS ARE AND UPDATE THEM TO GET THOSE OUT TO THE PUBLIC.

IT TAKES A LITTLE BIT OF TIME. WE DID ALSO WRAP UP A FEW FAC'ADE GRANTS. THOSE THAT HAD RECEIVED THEM IN THE PAST AND PROJECTS WERE COMPLETED AND PAID OUT.

YOU ALL MAY RECALL I WAS HERE I THINK IN JULY TO GET YOUR APPROVAL TO ADD THE BUILDING AT 10330 NORTH MERIDIAN ST. TO THE CARMEL HISTORIC ARCHITECTURE SURVEY.

THAT WAS DESIGNED BY MICHAEL GRAY.

THAT WAS APPROVED BY YOU ALL. UNANIMOUSLY.

FINALLY A THANK YOU TO COUNCILOR NELSON WERE AGREED TO SERVE ON THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION FEELING COUNCILMAN KIMBALL'S PLACE. WHICH WE APPRECIATE.

I THINK YOU WILL TAKE THAT UP LATER ON YOUR AGENDA TONIGHT.

ANY QUESTIONS? >> ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNSEL?

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 12 OLD BUSINESS.

[12. OLD BUSINESS]

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COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? >> MR. PRESIDENT I WILL INTRODUCE AN AMENDMENT TO THIS ORDINANCE.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT ME TO DO THAT NOW? I'M PROPOSING A AMENDMENT TO THE CITY'S BUDGET SPECIFICALLY NUMBER 435-5101. THIS IS SUPPORT FOR THE ARTS.

LAST YEAR'S BUDGET WAS ROUGHLY 1.18 MILLION.

THIS IS THE MAYOR SUPPORT FOR THE ART BUDGET THE PROPOSAL IS 1.5 MILLION WHICH REPRESENTS A 30 PERCENT INCREASE IN THIS LINE ITEM COMPARED TO LAST YEAR.

THE USUAL AND CUSTOMARY ALTHOUGH NOT CODIFIED COUNSILOR FINKAM AND I TALKED WITH JOHN OBERLANDER ABOUT IT.

THE USUAL CUSTOMER HAS BEEN ONE PERCENT OF THE GENERAL FUND BUDGET SO MY PROPOSAL IS TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT TO 1.2887 80 DOLLARS PENDING THE FINAL TRIP BUT ONE PERCENT.

I DO WANT TO SAY THAT DOES REPRESENT A NINE PERCENT INCREASE IN LAST YEARS BUDGET SO IT IS INCREASED FOR THE MAYOR'S BUDGET AND I ALSO WANT TO NOTE WE PROVIDE A VARIETY OF OTHER SUPPORT FOR THE ARTS INCLUDING FESTIVALS, SIGNIFICANT SUPPORT OF THE CENTER FOR PERFORMING ARTS.

RECENTLY ROUNDABOUT ARTS AND I THINK THERE WAS $2.2 MILLION FOR A LIGHT SHOW SO AGAIN I THINK MOVING THAT BACK DOWN TO SIMILAR LAST YEAR TO ONE PERCENT WHICH IS NINE PERCENT INCREASE IS WHAT I WOULD PROPOSE AS A AMENDMENT.

>> MR. COONROD WOULD YOU JOIN US FOR FUN?

>> MR. PRESIDENT FOR ORDER I WILL SECOND THE MOTION.

>> THANK YOU. >> ANY COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF YOU OR THE MAYOR ON THIS? YOU DON'T HAVE TO.

I'M ASKING. >> ONLY IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS.

>> COUNSILOR WORRELL? >> THIS IS THE FIRST I'VE HEARD OF THIS SO WHAT ARE THE DOLLARS INVOLVED?

>> AS I MENTIONED THE CURRENT PROPOSAL IS 1,000,536 THOUSAND $209. THAT'S A 30 PERCENT INCREASE OVER LAST YEARS. WHAT I'M PROPOSING IS IT BE SET AT AGAIN ONE PERCENT WHICH WOULD BE $1,288,780 WHICH IS A

NINE PERCENT INCREASE. >> WHAT IS THE CUT? WHAT IS THE DOLLAR CUT? I'M NOT DOING THE MATH.

YOU READ IT SO FAST. WHAT ARE THE DOLLARS?

>> THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO DOLLARS? I'M DOING THE MATH AS WE SPEAK. AGAIN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A CUT IN THE INCREASE IS WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.

>> I JUST WANT TO KNOW THE DOLLARS.

>> SURE. $247,429.

>> HAS THERE BEEN ANY DISCUSSION AS TO WHAT GROUPS WOULD BE AFFECTED AND HOW THAT MONEY, WHAT WERE THE PLANS? I DON'T KNOW IF YOU TALK TO THE MAYOR ABOUT IT.

>> I DID NOT. I WAS SETTING IT AT ONE PERCENT WHICH IS WHAT WE DID LAST YEAR WHICH IS A NINE PERCENT

INCREASE COMPARED TO LAST YEAR. >> THANK YOU.

ASK MR. COONROD WHAT IS OUR DEADLINE ON GETTING THIS PAST?

>> NOVEMBER 1. >> I DON'T KNOW IF THIS HELPS.

IT CAN BE AMENDED NEXT YEAR. WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN, WHAT IS EXPECTED TO HAPPEN BY NOVEMBER 1 IS THE BUDGET IS FILED, MADE PUBLIC AND FILED WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT FINANCE. THEY REVIEW IT AND THE PROCESS PROCEEDS TO ESTABLISH A TAX LEVY AND BILL TAXPAYERS AND SO ON. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS HELPS BUT IN THE COMING YEAR AMENDMENTS CAN BE MADE TO IT AT ANY TIME.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?

>> THANK YOU. COUNSILOR RIDER REPEAT THAT

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AMOUNT. >> 247.

>> 240 JULY 2, 2029. 429.

MR. COONROD I KNOW THIS IS HARD OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD.

CUTTING A BUDGET BY THAT, PROPERTY TAX WISE, WHAT WOULD IT MEAN FOR TAXPAYERS? WE ARE TALKING PROBABLY?

>> IF THE AMENDMENT IS TO REDUCE AN APPROPRIATION THEY WOULD HAVE NO EFFECT ON THE PROPERTY TAX LEVY SO THERE WOULD BE NO EFFECTS ON THE TAXPAYERS.

>> TAXPAYERS WOULD SAVE NO MONEY BY DOING THIS?

>> NOT BY THIS PARTICULAR ACTION.

>> OKAY. COUNSILOR CAMPBELL?

>> IT MAY NOT AFFECT OUR LEVY IT IS THE PRINCIPLE OF THE MATTER. I THINK THERE IS A SUBSTANTIAL INCREASE AND I DO APPRECIATE THAT COUNCILOR HANNON CAUGHT THE AND POINTED IT OUT. I PERSONALLY SUPPORT THE ARTS BUT I'M SUPPORTIVE OF AMENDING THIS.

I JUST FEEL LIKE AGAIN, IT IS SUCH A LARGE INCREASE AND IT'S NOT A MATTER OF WHETHER ANYBODY'S TAXES GO UP BUT TRULY THE PRINCIPLE OF THE MATTER. 'M A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED IT WASN'T POINTED OUT BUT AS I'VE LEARNED SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO LEARN TO ASK THE RIGHT QUESTIONS AND AGAIN THANK YOU COUNCILOR HANNON FOR POINTING THIS OUT.

>> COUNSILOR WORRELL? >> I DO WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT.

ALL COUNSELORS MET WITH EACH OF THE DEPARTMENT HEADS AND IT WAS DISCUSSED. THE MAYOR'S OF THE LOGIC BEHIND IT WHICH I WISH I WOULD'VE HAD MORE TIME TO NOT HAVE IT HAPPENED NOW SO WE CAN UNDERSTAND IF THERE ARE ANY RAMIFICATIONS THAT THE MAYOR'S LOGIC WE WENT THROUGH OUR EVALUATION OF THE BUDGET WAS THAT THERE WAS SOME COSTS GOING UP AND THERE WERE SOME ORGANIZATIONS WHO HAVE STRUGGLED THROUGH THE PANDEMIC. AND TRYING TO MAKE UP FOR SOME OF THOSE SITUATIONS AND THAT WAS HIS JUSTIFICATION.

I DO NOT REMEMBER BUT MAYBE COUNSILOR RIDER CAN REFRESH MY MEMORY BUT I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT COUNCILOR HANNON SAID THE NUMBERS IT WAS STILL THERE. THAT WAS HIS LOGIC TRIED TO COMPENSATE FOR SOME OF THEIR COSTS GOING UP.

IT WASN'T A SECRET. WE DID NOT DISCUSS IT IN THE

MEETING. >> MR. COONROD YOU MADE THE COMMENT THAT THINGS COULD BE CUT NEXT YEAR.

IF THE MAYOR CAME TO US WITH A GOOD REASON WE CAN ALSO BE APPROPRIATE MONEY NEXT YEAR. BOTH WAYS CAN HAPPEN.

>> THAT'S CORRECT. IF THAT IS BEING CONSIDERED I SHOULD PROBABLY CLARIFY THAT AN APPROPRIATION ONCE IT'S IN PLACE CAN BE REDUCED BY THE COUNCIL OR BY THE MAYOR.

IT IS NOT YET ENCUMBERED. >> WE CAN ALSO COME IF THE GROUP COMES TO US AND NEEDS MONEY AND HE CAN JUSTIFY IT WE CAN ALSO APPROPRIATE IT NEXT YEAR?

>> YES ASSUMING THE FUNDS ARE AVAILABLE.

>> IT HAS TO COME FROM THE MAYOR THOUGH? HE HAS TO ASK FOR THE INCREASE. WE CANNOT INCREASE.

>> THAT'S TRUE. >> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION?

COUNCILOR HANNON? >> I WANT TO POINT OUT BECAUSE WE DISCUSSED THIS LAST YEAR AS WELL.

IF THIS IS SET AT ONE PERCENT WHICH IS WHAT WE DID LAST YEAR AND THE MAYOR HAS A SPECIFIC PROJECT HE WOULD LIKE TO ADD ON THAT IS PRESENTED, THAT CAN ALWAYS BE EASILY APPROPRIATE FROM THE GENERAL FUND AND I THINK AS WE POINT OUT LAST YEAR THAT ADDS TO THE TRANSPARENCY AT THE IF THERE IS A SPECIFIC PROJECT THERE'S PUBLIC, AND OTHER DISCUSSIONS IN TERMS OF WHAT THE ADDITIONAL PROJECTS MIGHT BE.

FOR EXAMPLE LAST YEAR WE DISCUSSED VETERANS ART FOR SOME OF THE ROUNDABOUTS THAT HAS YET TO BECOME IN FRONT OF US BUT IF THE FUNDS WERE NEEDED WE WANT TO APPROPRIATE THEM AT A LATER

TIME. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS BEFORE WE CALL FOR THE VOTE?

COUNCILOR NELSON? >> I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY WHAT THESE FUNDS ARE SO I FULLY UNDERSTAND.

THESE FUNDS ARE MEANT TO SUPPORT GROUPS, NOT PURCHASE SCULPTURES AND ROUNDABOUTS CORRECT? THIS IS PURELY, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND.

>> DIFFERENT GROUPS APPLY FOR THE MONEY.

>> FOR FURTHER CLARIFICATION THAT COUNCILOR HANNON! THERE WERE NO SPECIAL PROJECTS WE DISCUSSED IN THE BUDGET SUMMARY. IT WAS TRYING TO KEEP THESE

ORGANIZATIONS ALIVE BASICALLY. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR

QUESTIONS? >> JACOB PLEASE?

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(VOTING). >> MOVED TO APPROVE THE BUDGET.

AS AMENDED. >> IS THERE A SECOND? ANY DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE.

(VOTING) EIGHT ÃZERO. MOVING ON.

[13. PUBLIC HEARINGS]

A. FIRST READING OF ORDINANCE Z-677-22; AN ORDINANCE OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL, INDIANA, REZONING 4 PARCELS LOCATED ALONG 1ST AVENUE SE TO THE C2/MIXED USE DISTRICT; SPONSOR: SYNOPSIS: THIS ORDINANCE REZONES 4 PARCELS LOCATED ALONG THE WEST SIDE OF 1ST AVENUE SE, BETWEEN 1ST STREET SE AND SUPPLY STREET TO THE C2/MIXED USE DISTRICT FOR THE PURPOSE OF FACILITATING REDEVELOPMENT. DO I HAVE A MOTION?

>> MOVED TO INTRODUCE. >> DO I HAVE A SECOND?

>> SECOND. >> THANK YOU.

>> IF WE CAN ZOOM IN ON THAT CLOSER ON ONE OF THE OTHER OF THE MAPS. UNTIL THEN, THANK YOU.

THERE WE GO. THANK YOU.

I'M HERE THIS EVENING ADRIAN KEELING THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY SERVICES WITH A PROPOSAL WHICH COMES TO YOU A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PLAN COMMISSION THIS PROPOSAL IS TO REZONE FOUR PARCELS OUTLINED HERE IN RED.

THE SOUTHEAST QUADRANT OF THE ARTS AND DESIGN DISTRICT.

THE SITE IS GENERALLY LOCATED ALONG THE WEST SIDE OF 1ST AVENUE, SOUTHEAST. BETWEEN 1ST ST., SOUTHEAST AND SUPPLY STREET WHICH IS THE FORMER SECOND STREET SOUTHEAST.

THIS BLOCK IS LOCATED ACROSS THE STREET, ACROSS RANGELAND FROM THE INDIANA DESIGN CENTER AND OF COURSE MAIN STREET IS A BLOCK NORTH. THE EASTERN HALF OF THIS BLOCK IS THE SUBJECT OF THE REZONE. IT IS COMPRISED I WILL MOVE TO ZONING MAP HERE, IT IS COMPRISED OF THREE DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS. WE ARE TO, ARE THREE AND THE FIVE DISTRICT AS WELL AS OLDTOWN OVERLAY ZONE.

THE PURPOSE OF THIS PROPOSAL IS TO EXTEND THE C2 DISTRICT WHICH EXISTS ON THE WESTERN HALF OF THIS BLOCK TO INCLUDE THE ENTIRE BLOCK BETWEEN RANGE LINE AND 1ST AVENUE, SOUTHEAST.

THIS REZONING WOULD ALLOW FOR REDEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL ENCOMPASSING THE ENTIRE BLOCK TO BE REVIEWED UNDER A SINGULAR ZONING DISTRICT AND SINGULAR ZONING APPROVAL PROCESS.

AT NO SITE PLANS HAVE BEEN FILED WITH DOCS HOWEVER YOU'RE LIKELY FAMILIAR WITH THIS SITE BECAUSE THE CITY COUNCIL RECENTLY PASSED A RESOLUTION BACK IN AUGUST TO ALLOW THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION TO USE REDEVELOPMENT BOND FUNDS TO ACQUIRE THE PARCELS IN THIS BLOCK FOR PROPOSED REDEVELOPMENT. YOU WILL REMEMBER IS CONJUNCTION WITH THE PLANS FOR 1933 LARGE RESTAURANT CONCEPT AND UPPER STORY OFFICES ALONG RANGELAND ROAD.

THE PLAN COMMISSION RECEIVED SEVERAL COMMENTS FROM CITIZENS ABOUT A CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN WHICH WAS SHOWN IN THE AUGUST CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL. THE CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN WAS SHOWN FOR PURPOSES OF THAT DISCUSSION, THE REDEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT HAS INDICATED THE SITE DESIGN HAS NOT BEEN COMPLETED AND THESE COMMENTS WOULD BE CONSIDERED WHEN DESIGN WORK PROGRESSES WITH THE DEVELOPER ON THE SITE.

PARTICULARLY THE PORTION OF THE SITE ON THE EASTERN HALF OF THE BLOCK. DURING THE PLAN CONDITIONS COMMERCIAL COMMITTEE DISCUSSION IT WAS AGREED REDEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT WOULD ARRANGE FOR A MEETING BETWEEN THE DEVELOPER AND NEIGHBORS ONCE THE SITE DESIGN IS UNDERWAY.

AS A REMINDER THE APPROVAL PROCESS FOR THE C2 DISTRICT INCLUDES REVIEW BY THE TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE, THE KARMA REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSIONS ARCHITECTURAL COMMITTEE AND THE REVIEW BY DOCS STAFF THAT CULMINATES IN A DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND A DLS PUBLIC HEARING BY THE PLAN COMMISSION HEARING OFFICER. THIS PUBLIC HEARING INCLUDES

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FINALLY, IT IS WORTH MENTIONING SINCE I'VE BEEN RECENTLY WORKING WITH ALL OF YOU ON THE COMPREHENSIVE LAN UPDATE, WHICH DID NOT HAVE A TIME LIMIT, THIS IS THE REZONING SO THIS DOES COME WITH A 90 DAY TIME LIMIT AS SPECIFIED WITH THE PLAN COMMISSION CERTIFICATION INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKETS.

WE WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THIS EVENING AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OR IF THERE IS COMMITTEE DISCUSSIONS. THANK YOU.

SAVE THOSE QUESTIONS UNTIL THEN.

THANK YOU. >> I'M GOING TO OPEN THIS PUBLIC HEARING AT 6:31:10. ANYBODY WISHING TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK IN FAVOR OR AGAINST PLEASE JOIN US AT THE MICROPHONE. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

WHEN THE LIGHT TURNS YELLOW YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS LEFT.

WE JUST NEED YOUR NAME AND IF YOU'RE A RESIDENT OF CARMEL WE

DO NOT NEED YOUR ADDRESS. >> GREETINGS JEFF WATKINS.

WE LIVED AT 121 1ST ST. SE. WHICH IS RIGHT HERE.

WHICH IS BETWEEN THE DEVELOPMENT AND THE LINES PARKING LOT. I GUESS THE BIGGEST REASON I'M COMING HERE FIRST OF ALL THANK YOU FOR ALL OF YOU FOR ALL THE TIME AND EFFORT YOU PUT INTO DOING WHAT YOU DO.

I SINCERELY APPRECIATE IT. WE LIVE HERE.

WE SUPPORT THIS. WE WANT TO SEE THIS HAPPEN.

WE ARE HAPPY IT IS HAPPENING BECAUSE WE ARE HAPPY THAT THIS PORTION HERE IS NOT GOING TO BE, WHAT WE ARE TRULY HAPPY ABOUT IS THIS WHOLE PORTION IS NOT GOING TO BE A JOY ENORMOUS 4 TO 5 STORY MAMA LIVED WITH THE PARKING GARAGE AND DEVELOPMENT AS A WHOLE. WE ARE EXTREMELY HAPPY THERE'S A RIGHT SIZED COMMERCIAL BUILDING HERE AND WE HAVE FOR SALE UNITS GOING IN HERE. THE DETAILS OF THIS DEVELOPMENT ARE WHAT IS CRUCIAL. COUNSILOR RIDER FROM MY PERSPECTIVE HAS DONE WHAT WE HAVE ASKED WHICH IS WE WANT TO HAVE A PROCESS WITH THE SEARCY AND THE CITY WITH THE DETAILS OF THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT. WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A VOICE.

IT IS THE NEIGHBORS AS A WHOLE. I DON'T WANT TO BORE YOU ALL WITH ALL OF THOSE PARTICULARS BUT IN GENERAL I JUST WANT TO SAY WE SUPPORT THIS. THANK YOU.

>> NEXT. >> GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS BOB CAMPBELL. I LIVE IN THIS AREA ALSO.

I WANT TO THANK THE COMMITTEE FOR THE TIME.

AND ALSO FOR BEING ABLE TO VOICE ANY CONCERNS OR REQUESTS BASED ON CONCERNS PRIOR TO THIS MEETING.

I ALSO, LIKE EVERYBODY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WE HAVE SPOKEN TO ARE FOR THIS PROJECT. THINK IT'S AN ASSET TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND I THINK IT'S A GREAT USE OF THAT SECTION.

A COUPLE REQUEST BECAUSE WE HAVE CONCERNS.

OBVIOUSLY WITH 1933 LOUNGE IN THE EVENING AND HEAR THIS SMALL STREET FIRST AVENUE BETWEEN FIRST STREET, FIRST AVENUE AND LIONS CLUB, NO PARKING ZONE OR RESIDENT ONLY PARKING.

SOME SORT OF RESIDENT ONLY PARKING PERMIT.

WE ARE WORRIED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC OF COURSE.

ESPECIALLY WE ARE ALSO WORRIED ABOUT THE LIONS CLUB PARKING LOT THAT IS A PUBLIC PARKING LOT AND VALLEY USING THAT.

THE VALLEY PARKERS RUNNING UP AND DOWN IN THE CARS RUNNING UP AND DOWN. THAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO GO ON UNTIL 10:00 OR 11:00 AT NIGHT SO WE ARE WORRIED ABOUT HEAVIER TRAFFIC THAT'S A SMALL STREET IF YOU PARKING ON ONE SIDE IS VERY TIGHT WE HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH THIS.

WHEN THE LIONS CLUB DOES FISH FRIES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE

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THEY ARE GREAT BECAUSE THEY ARE PEOPLE DIRECTING TRAFFIC.

THEY HAVE TO BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC AND GET HEAVY AND IT'S A TIGHT SPOT. WE ASK FOR SOME MODIFICATIONS AND SEE WHAT THE COMMITTEE CAN DO TO LIGHTEN UP THE TRAFFIC.

ONE OF THE OTHER REQUESTS IS IN THE BUILDING PLANS, ESPECIALLY FOR THE TOWNHOUSES THAT ARE GOING TO BE HERE WHICH I'M SURE AS ALL THE ARCHITECTURE IN THE CITY IT'S BEAUTIFUL AND FITS AND IT'S AN ASSET. BUT I BELIEVE THE INITIAL PLANS ARE GOING TO BE SIMILAR TO THE NEW ONES GOING UP BEHIND THE FIRE STATION RIGHT HERE AMONG MONA WHICH WILL HAVE A PATIO AT THE TOP. SO THE FOURTH FLOOR WILL BE A PATIO. I ON A TOWNHOUSE AND I WISH I HAD A PATIO AT THE TOP ESPECIALLY FOR THE FIREWORKS WE ASK THAT THE ENTRY DOOR WHICH MEANS THE PATIO WILL FACE THE RANGE LINE. WE WOULD RATHER HAVE THEM FACING EAST TO RANGE LINE AS OPPOSED TO WEST INTO OUR BACKYARDS. AND THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE A BETTER VIEW OF THE FIREWORKS. IT IS TO THEIR ASSET.

I THINK LOOKING TOWARDS MAIN STREET AND RANGE LINE IS A MUCH BETTER VIEW THAN MY BACKYARD. I DO MOW THE LAWN EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE SO IT IS NOT TOO BAD. ANOTHER REQUEST IS HERE HAVING THEM SET BACK 15 FEET. IF IS 13 FEET, I KNOW THERE ARE CONCERNS AND HER CONCERNS. I'M NOT A DEVELOPER.

FAR FROM IT. ASK WRAP IT UP.

>> ABOUT LOSING PARKING. IF IS 13 FEEDBACK AGAIN ON THE FRONT TREES IT WILL GROW TO TWO OR THREE STORIES HIGH.

IT IS A PRIVACY THING WHEREVER IT CAN BE DONE POSSIBLE EASY

INTO THE ASSET. >> YOU REALLY HAVE TO WRAP IT

UP. >> LAST ONE.

SUPPLY STREET. >> YOU HAVE ONE MORE SENTENCE.

>> 11 FOOT WIDE ALLEY WE WOULD LIKE THE DRAINAGE TO GO TOWARD RANGE LINE. THERE ARE NO STORM SEWERS HERE.

AND ALSO THE GARBAGE AREA REMOVED INSIDE AND NOT ON

SUPPLY STREET. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> SORRY THAT WAS TWO SENTENCES.

>> THAT'S OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE? WELCOME. LOOKS GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS AMY AND I ALSO APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS CONCERN ABOUT THE PROJECT.

SEE IF I CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO TALK WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY USING YOUR TECHNOLOGY I'M NOT SURE I WILL BE SUCCESSFUL BUT I WILL GIVE IT MY BEST SHOT. MY HUSBAND DEREK AND I HAVE OWNED THIS HOUSE FOR 22 YEARS AT THE CORNER OF 1ST AVENUE, SOUTHEAST AND ELM STREET. WE LOVE THIS HOUSE AND WE LOVE OUR STREET MORE THAN I CAN BEGIN TO DESCRIBE.

WE HAVE WORKED SO HARD TO BE RESPONSIBLE STEWARDS OF OUR HOME. IT'S 133 YEARS OLD.

WE HAVE DEEDS FROM EVERY OWNER THAT HAS EVER OWNED THIS PROPERTY FOR 133 YEARS. WE ARE FRIENDS WITH THE DESCENDENTS OF PEOPLE WHO OWNED THIS PROPERTY GOING BACK TO THE 1920S. THIS BEAUTIFUL LADY IN THIS PHOTO WAS NAMED BETTY AND SHE GREW UP IN MY HOUSE AND SHE GOT MARRIED ON JULY 31, 1949 IN MY LIVING ROOM.

HER DAUGHTERS HAVE BEEN TO MY HOUSE WITH HER WEDDING DRESS BECAUSE THAT'S HOW MUCH OF THE PROPERTY MEANS TO THEM.

WE ARE SO GRATEFUL TO HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM.

THIS IS A NEWSPAPER ARTICLE ABOUT A WOMAN NAMED LUCILLE SMITH WHOSE FUNERAL WAS IN MY HOME MY HOME WAS A FUNERAL PARLOR IN THE 1930S IN CARMEL. WE ARE FRIENDS WITH HER FAMILY AS WELL. SHE IS BURIED IN THE DUTIFUL CEMETERY UP THE STREET. THIS BEAUTIFUL COUPLE HERE CAL AND ELSIE BROWN OWN MY HOME FROM 1912 TO 1924 AND WHILE HE OWNED IF THEY OWED A LITTLE PLACE CALLED BROWN'S PLACE THE CORNER WHERE WILD DUNES IS NOW. IT WAS A STORE RESTAURANT COMBO WHICH I THINK IS INCREDIBLE WE ARE SO GRATEFUL TO BE A PART OF THIS LITTLE HISTORY IN OUR TINY CORNER HERE ON OUR STREET.

THE LAST COUPLE YEARS TO BE CANDID HAVE BEEN VERY PAINFUL FOR SOME OF US WHO HAVE LIVED ON THE STREET FOR DECADES.

MY NEIGHBOR DAVE IS HERE WITH ME TODAY AND HAS BEEN OUR NEIGHBOR FOR 22 YEARS AND LIVED THERE MUCH LONGER THAN US.

I HAVE WATCHED HOME AFTER HOME, THIS HOME BUILT AND I BELIEVE 1880. IT IS NOW GONE.

A HOME IS GOING TO BE ROUGHLY 6000 SQUARE FEET IS GETTING

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CERTAINLY MY HUSBAND AND I APPRECIATE AND UNDERSTAND SOME OF THESE OLD HOMES WERE FRANKLY SO DILAPIDATED THEY ARE PROBABLY BEYOND REPAIR. RESIDENTIAL REDEVELOPMENT WAS INEVITABLE AND FRANKLY APPROPRIATE AND PROBABLY GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY. IT IS HARD FOR ME TO UNDERSTAND HOW SHOEHORNING A 43,000 SQUARE-FOOT COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ONTO A STREET LINED WITH CENTURY-OLD PROPERTIES WILL BE BENEFICIAL. IT IS HEARTBREAKING TO ME TO KNOW THAT THIS HOUSE RIGHT HERE THAT IS 110 YEARS OLD AND THIS HOUSE HERE I BELIEVE IS UNDER 20 YEARS OLD ARE BOTH GOING TO BE TORN DOWN FOR THIS. IT IS CONCERNING TO ME THAT THE HISTORIC HOMES THAT REMAIN LIKE MY HOME AND MR. RECORDS HOME ARE NOT GOING TO BE DEALING WITH COMMERCIALLY DRIVEN NOISE AND TRACK BACK AND DRAINAGE ISSUES AND ALL THOSE THINGS.

I WOULD ECHO WHAT BOB SAID ECHO WHAT JEFF SAID.

I JUST WOULD IMPLORE YOU TO TAKE ALL STEPS POSSIBLE TO MITIGATE SOME OF THE HARM THAT WILL POTENTIALLY FLOW TO THE FEW REMAINING HISTORIC PROPERTIES ON OUR STREET.

THEY ARE SMALL HOMES AND MODEST HOMES IN MY HOME DOESN'T HAVE AN ELEVATOR OR A POOL BUT THEY ARE BEAUTIFUL WELL LOVED HOMES.

THEY DESERVE AND THE PEOPLE WHO OWN THEM ONCE DESERVE TO BE HONORED IN THE WAY MOVING FORWARD I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE?

>> I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 641, 6:42 PM.

COUNSEL? COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? COUNCILOR HANNON? WHAT'S I CAN APPRECIATE FOLKS BEING HERE TONIGHT TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS.

ONE POINT OF CLARIFICATION IS NOW THE REQUEST COUNSEL IS THIS TO BE REZONED FROM RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL.

IF THAT IS APPROVED WHICH I'M SURE IT WILL BE, THEN THE ENTIRE REVIEW PROCESS WILL GO THROUGH THE CARMEL REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION AND THE PLAN COMMISSION AS WELL.

WE WILL HAVE NO SAY OVER IT WHATSOEVER.

THE ADVANTAGE IN DOING THIS AND I THINK THE FIRST SPEAKER MENTIONED TO IS IT IS MORE OF A INTEGRATIVE LOOK AT THE ENTIRE BLOCK WITH THE INPUT OF THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION AS WELL AS THE PLAN COMMISSION TO TRY TO MAKE SURE IT FITS RATHER THAN BEING DISJOINTED SO TO SPEAK.

THE DISADVANTAGE I THINK FOR CITIZENS IS YOU DON'T HAVE DIRECT REPRESENTATION OF COUNSELORS TO BE ABLE TO ESSENTIALLY LISTEN TO YOUR CONCERNS AND SHEPHERD THROUGH THERE AS WELL. AGAIN JUST A CLARIFICATION FOR THOSE OF YOU HERE AND OTHER FOLKS.

THERE IS PROS AND CONS OF DOING THIS.

ONE OF THE CONS THAT CONCERNS ME AND WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS WITH SEVERAL CENTRAL DISTRICT REDEVELOPMENTS AND CENTRAL DISTRICT COUNSELOR IS ONCE IT GOES TO SEARCY YOU ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE AS MUCH OF A DIRECT VOICE ANYWHERE.

AGAIN THERE ARE TRADE-OFFS AND POTENTIAL UPSIDES AS WELL.

>> I DO WANT TO POINT OUT I HAVE MET WITH THE NEIGHBORS ALREADY AND DURING COMMITTEE AT PLAN COMMISSION I'M THE ONE THAT SAID THERE WILL BE A MEETING WITH THE NEIGHBORS BEFORE THIS MOVES ANYWHERE. OR MULTIPLES IF NEED BE.

THE SEARCY UNDERSTOOD THAT. I MADE IT VERY CLEAR.

YOU WILL BE REPRESENTED THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS.

WHETHER I'M VOTING ON IT OR NOT.

I HAVE A PRETTY STRONG VOICE. I GUARANTEE YOU WILL BE REPRESENTED AND IF YOU NEED TO MEET ANYTIME BEFORE THEN WE WILL DO THAT ALSO. COUNSEL ANY OTHER COMMENTS? DO I HAVE A MOTION OR TO SOMEBODY WANTS TO SEND THIS TO COMMITTEE? IS THERE ANYTHING TO TALK ABOUT IN COMMITTEE? SOMEBODY HAS TO MAKE A DECISION. COUNSILOR FINKAM?

>> IN GENERAL I HAVE A HARD TIME SENDING A REZONED THROUGH

THE FIRST READING. >> I GET IT.

>> EVEN THOUGH THIS IS A C2 PROCESS I WOULD RATHER SEND IT TO COMMITTEE. SORRY COUNSILOR CAMPBELL TO GIVE YOU WORK BUT I FEEL BETTER ABOUT IT.

>> I'M GOOD WITH THAT THIS GOES TO LAND-USE.

>> THE ISSUE OF PARKING WAS BROUGHT UP.

WHOEVER FROM THE CITY IS GOING TO BE PRESENT AT THE COMMITTEE MEANS IF WE COULD SPEAK TO THAT BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE MORE INFORMATION IF WE CAN DO IT WHAT THE EFFECT WILL BE.

HOURS PEOPLE WOULD BE EXPECTED TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE I

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>> I THINK IT WOULD BE ADVANTAGEOUS TO REQUEST THE SEARCY DIRECTOR BE THERE ALSO. TO GIVE YOU MORE INFORMATION.

COUNSILOR FINKAM? >> THANK YOU MR. PRESIDENT I TALKED TO THE ENGINEER ABOUT STARTING THE PROCESS TO RESTRICT PARKING ON FIRST. PERHAPS THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN TALK ABOUT FURTHER IN COMMITTEE AS WELL AND SOMETHING CAN COME OUT OF THE AS ORDINANCE AS WELL.

>> IF I'M NOT WRONG I THINK WE ARE ALREADY PARKING ON ONE SIDE. IS THAT CORRECT? IT IS RESTRICTED TO PARKING ON ONE SIDE, JUST NOT TO RESIDENT ONLY. ANYTHING ELSE? THIS GOES TO LAND-USE WE WILL ANNOUNCE WHEN THE MEETING IS AS SOON AS THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS ARE PULLED AND WE FIND A TIME.

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SPONSOR: COUNCILOR WORRELL. >> MOVED TO INTRODUCE.

>> THIS RESO AUTHORIZE PETITIONS TO THE DEPARTMENT OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT FINANCE TO ADJUST THE CITYB 2023 PROPERTY TAX LEVY BY UP TO $1,800,000. THE BASIS OF THE ADJUSTMENT WOULD RECOVERY OF A PROPERTY TAX SHORTFALL.

AS FINANCE CHAIR WE DECIDED WE WANTED TO GET THIS ONTO OUR AGENDA. WE HAVE A DEADLINE IF THIS WERE TO BE APPROVED. A DEADLINE WE HAVE TO FULFILL THIS OBLIGATION BY THE END OF THE YEAR.

HE WANTED TO GET IT ON THE AGENDA SO WE HAVE PLENTY OF TIME TO WORK ON IT. I'VE GOT MR. COONROD AND HIS TEAM HERE. IF KURT YOU WANT TO COME UP AND GIVE EVERYBODY THE SKINNY ON WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT.

>> THANK YOU AS YOU INDICATED THERE'S NO PARTICULAR NEED TO ACT ON THIS TONIGHT ALTHOUGH YOU COULD BECAUSE THIS RESOLUTION HAS TO DO WITH PROPERTY TAX LEVIES WITHOUT A SHOULD BE ON THE AGENDA THE SAME NIGHT AS THE BUDGET.

EVEN THE IT IS NOT DUE UNTIL THE END OF THE YEAR SO WE WOULD NOT COME LATER AND BE A SURPRISE.

THE SHORT OF IT IS WE'VE DONE THIS SEVERAL YEARS IN THE PAST.

SOME OF YOU ARE FAMILIAR OR PERHAPS ALL OF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE ROUTINE THAT I WILL REFRESH YOUR MEMORY.

WHEN PROPERTY TAXES ARE BILLED THEY ARE BILLED, THE RATES ARE DETERMINED BASED ON THE ESTIMATED ASSESSED VALUES.

THE BUDGET ORDINANCE THAT YOU ADOPTED TONIGHT HAD ESTIMATED ASSESSED VALUE AND LEVIES AT THOSE TWO NUMBERS DIVIDE ONE BY THE OTHER AND YOU GET THE PROPERTY TAX RATE.

WHEN THE TAXES ARE ACTUALLY BILLED ASSESSED VALUES FOR A LOT OF PROPERTIES WILL HAVE CHANGED BECAUSE OF APPEALS OR ANY NUMBER OF OTHER REASONS. IT COULD BE A LARGER AMOUNT WAS BILLED FOR A SMALLER AMOUNT WAS BILLED AND IF A SMALLER AMOUNT WAS BILLED THE CITY WILL NOT RECEIVE THE LEVY IT LAWFULLY ADOPTED. THAT HAS HAPPENED IN SOME PAST YEARS. TO MAKE THE CITY WHOLE, AND TO ADJUST THE TAXPAYERS BILLS TO THE PRECISE AMOUNT THAT WAS AUTHORIZED THERE IS A PROCESS BY WHICH THE CITY CAN BRING THIS TO THE ATTENTION OF THE DEPARTMENT OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT FINANCE AND THEY CAN OFFER AUTHORIZE A ADJUSTMENT AT A FUTURE YEAR TO MAKE UP THE AMOUNT THAT WAS UNDER BILLED IN PAST YEARS AND THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.

>> COUNSEL ANY QUESTIONS? COUNSELOR HANDED BACK.

>> JUST A QUICK ONE. WE DID THIS LAST YEAR OR THE YEAR BEFORE THAT. IT WAS LESS THAN THIS AMOUNT WE APPEALED IT, WAS THE APPROVED BECAUSE WE NEVER HEARD IF WE

CLOSED THE LOOP? >> YES IT WAS.

>> COUNSILOR WORRELL? >> MR. COONROD I HAD A COUPLE RESIDENTS CALL ME ABOUT THIS ONE THEY SAW ON THE AGENDA.

YOU AND I COMMUNICATED. CAN YOU JUST CLARIFY, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE UNDER BILLING IN THIS CASE.

WHERE DID THE DOLLARS ACTUALLY COME FROM? IF WE WERE TO PASS THIS RESOLUTION?

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>> IT REALLY IS THAT SIMPLE. WE CALCULATE THE UNDER BILLING FOR THE PAST YEARS AND LET'S SAY IT'S 1,000,008.

IT IS ACTUALLY LESS THAN THAT BUT LET'S SAY 1,000,008 WHICH MEANS COLLECTIVELY THE TAXPAYERS PAID MILLION EIGHT LESS THAN THEY SHOULD HAVE. WHEN I SAY SHOULD HAVE I'M IN THE CITY LAWFULLY ADOPTED THE LEVY INTENDED TO RAISE THIS MONEY AND SET THE RATE ACCORDING TO THE AVAILABLE ESTIMATES AND THE BILLINGS FELL SHORT.

IN A SUBSEQUENT YEAR THAT EXACT SAME AMOUNT MILLION EIGHT USING AS AN EXAMPLE IS ADDED TO THE LEVY IN THE FUTURE YEAR SO THE TAXPAYERS PAY IT IN THE FUTURE YEAR.

WHEN ALL IS SAID AND DONE TAXPAYERS END UP PAYING EXACTLY THE AMOUNT THAT WAS ORIGINALLY AUTHORIZED BY THE COUNCIL.

I SAID IT WAS THAT SIMPLE BUT MAYBE IT IS NOT THAT SIMPLE.

>> I MAY BE A NERD BUT WE TALK ABOUT THIS AT COFFEE ALL THE TIME. THE TAX RATE IS SET AND WE TALKED ABOUT 787. HOW DOES THIS RESOLUTION AFFECT

THAT? >> THERE ARE TWO STEPS INVOLVED IN THE EXAMPLE YOU JUST GAVE. THE GENERAL PROCESS IS REALLY AS SIMPLE AS SAYING THERE IS A UNDER BILLING IN ONE YEAR AND CORRECTION IN THE NEXT YEAR. IT MAY NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE RATE. IT MAY BE A TAXPAYER APPEALED HIS ASSESSMENT AND THE TIME THE TAXES WERE BILLED ASSESSMENT WAS LOWER. AT THE SAME RATE THE TAXPAYER PAID LESS THAN WAS EXPECTED. THAT TAXPAYER SHOULDN'T BE PENALIZED FOR THAT BECAUSE THAT TAXPAYER PAID THE APPROPRIATE TAX BUT CITYWIDE THE CITY FAILED TO COLLECT THE AMOUNT THAT WAS PROPERLY AUTHORIZED. HAD WE KNOWN ABOUT THE ASSESSMENT ADJUSTMENT BEFORE THE BUDGET WAS ADOPTED THAT LEVY WOULD HAVE BEEN SPREAD TO THE OTHER TAXPAYERS AND COLLECTIVELY ALL THE TAXPAYERS WOULD PAY THE FULL AMOUNT.

UNFORTUNATELY IN THE EXAMPLE I'M GIVING YOU, WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THAT ONE TAXPAYER IN THE FUTURE AND WE ENDED UP COLLECTING LESS IN TOTAL THAN WAS AUTHORIZED.

>> IS THE RATE EXEMPT FROM THE APPEAL? WITH THE ADDITIONAL ASSESSED, THE ADDITIONAL LEVY WOULD NOT

AFFECT THE RATE? >> A MOMENT AGO I SAID THERE WERE TWO STEPS. I DESCRIBE THE FIRST STEP IN THE SECOND STEP IS IF THE COUNCIL SETS THE RATE AT A PARTICULAR AMOUNT, WHO WANTS TO SET THE RATE AT A PARTICULAR AMOUNT, IN THE COMING YEAR, THEN THE DEPARTMENT OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT FINANCE CAN SET THAT RATE AT WHATEVER RATE THE COUNCIL AUTHORIZES. ADOPTING THIS RESOLUTION DOES NOT NECESSARILY AFFECT THE RATE IN THE COMING YEAR.

IT DOES INCREASE THE LEVY ABOVE WHAT WOULD IT HAVE BEEN.

IT MAY HELP YOU IF I POINT OUT THAT THIS YEAR IS UNUSUAL.

AND THAT THE ASSESSED VALUE OF THE CITY GREW SUCH AN EXTRAORDINARY AMOUNT 15 PERCENT THIS LAST YEAR.

THAT ALL ELSE EQUAL TAX RATES WOULD HAVE GONE DOWN.

THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY A BAD THING.

IT IS A CONSIDEATION WHETHER IT IS GOOD FOR THE CITY AND THE TAXPAYERS TO HAVE ORBIT GO DOWN WHEN IT MIGHT HAVE TO GO BACK UP THE NEXT YEAR. WE USUALLY TRY TO LOOK YEARS AHEAD AND IT'S A MATTER OF OPINION BUT PERHAPS THERE IS SOME VALUE IN CONSISTENCY FROM YEAR TO YEAR.

ONE OF THE MOTIVATIONS FOR PROPOSING THIS APPEAL IS THAT

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BEEN REDUCED. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? COUNSILOR FINKAM?

>> YOU SAID IT'S NOT NECESSARILY GOING TO AFFECT THE RATE? THAT DOESN'T FILL ME WITH LOTS OF HOPE THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE THE RATE.

WE DID THIS A FEW YEARS AGO AND THE RATE WENT UP SIGNIFICANTLY.

IS THAT GOING TO HAPPEN OR NOT GOING TO HAPPEN:

>> I THINK IT IS UP TO YOU. THE RESOLUTION DOES NOT SET A

TAX RATE. >> ALL RIGHT.

>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? OR A MOTION AS TO WHAT DIRECTION WE ARE GOING?

>> I THINK THIS HAS TO GO TO COMMITTEE.

>> THAT'S WHERE IT IS HEADED. >> I KNOW WE ARE TALKING RIGHT NOW ABOUT FOUR AND $42,000. YOU'VE GIVEN US THE TOP AND NUMBER BUT THERE IS A LOT OF WORK TO BE DONE ON THIS I

THINK. >> FINANCE COMMITTEE YOU HAVE OTHER BUSINESS LEFT SO COUNSELOR HANDED.

>> I WAS GOING TO CITE I CERTAINLY SUPPORT GOING TO FINANCE COMMITTEE IS ALREADY GOING.

THE OTHER THING I WOULD NOTE THAT WE CAN DISCUSS IT IN COMING MONTHS IS THE FACT THAT WE ARE MAINTAINING THE RATE EVEN THOUGH OUR ASSESSED VALUE HAS GONE UP.

THE TRUTH HAS REDUCED THE RATE THE LAST TWO YEARS I THINK SO AT SOME POINT PHYSICAL BODY MAY WANT TO ENTERTAIN REDUCING THE RATE OF LOOKING WITH THE DOLLARS AT THE RELATIVE RATE JUST A COMMENT. THANK YOU.

>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS? MOVING ON.

B. RESOLUTION CC-10-17-22-03: A RESOLUTION OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL, INDIANA, ADOPTING GUIDELINES FOR COMMON COUNCIL LEGISLATIVE REDISTRICTING;

SPONSOR: COUNCILOR WORRELL. >> RESOLUTION ADOPTS THE PROCEDURES AND GUIDELINES THAT WILL BE USED TO REDISTRICT THE CITYB LEGISLATIVE BODY DISTRICTS.

COUNSELOR COUNSILOR FINKAM LEAD THIS CHARGE FOUR YEARS AGO AND I WATCHED HER DO THAT AND LEARNED A LOT FROM HER.

PRESIDENT COUNSILOR RIDER ASKED ME TO LEAD THIS THIS YEAR SO WE HAVE BRIAN BOSMAN WHO WILL SHARE WITH US THE TIMELINE THAT HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED BECAUSE SOME THINGS HAVE CHANGED SINCE COUNSILOR FINKAM TOOK THIS UP FOUR YEARS AGO.

>> MR. BOSMAN? >> GOOD EVENING COUNSELORS BRIAN THE CHAIR OF THE MUNICIPAL PRACTICE GROUP 11 MONUMENT CIR., SUITE 900 INDIANAPOLIS INDIANA MY PLEASURE TO BE WITH YOU THIS EVENING.

THIS IS THE THIRD TIME I'VE APPEARED FOR REDISTRICTING PURPOSES. ONCE IN 2012 AND 2018 ASSISTED COUNSILOR FINKAM IN PUTTING TOGETHER A NEW DISTRICT WHEN YOU BECAME A SECOND-CLASS CITY. MY PLEASURE TO BE WITH YOU AGAIN HERE TONIGHT. AND IN THE COMING WEEKS TO MOVE THIS PROCESS FORWARD. I'VE HAD TO DO TWO THINGS.

LET'S SEE JACOB, I HAVE A MAP. ONLY ANNOUNCEMENTS WE'VE DONE SO FAR. DO I HAVE IT UPSIDE DOWN? THERE WE GO. I GUESS THAT DOESN'T TRANSMIT VERY WELL DOES IT NOW THAT I TAKE A CLOSER LOOK.

I WAS IN THE AV CLUB AT BEECH GROVE HIGH SCHOOL AND THAT WAS THE PROCEDURE. WE'VE DONE A LITTLE BIT OF ANALYSIS ON THE CURRENT DISTRICTS.

EVEN THOUGH ONLY FOUR YEARS HAS PASSED SINCE THEY WERE ADOPTED UR 12.24 PERCENT TOTAL DEVIATION WHICH IS GREATER THAN THE DESIRABLE AMOUNT. WITH DISTRICT ONE AND SIX BEING OVERPOPULATED IN DISTRICT 3 UNDERPOPULATED AND 45 SLIGHTLY UNDERPOPULATED AS WELL. TWO IS ON THE MARK.

YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU THE SAME PROCESS THAT WE VIRTUALLY, VIRTUALLY THE SAME PROCESS WE PROPOSED FOR THE COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION IN 2012 AND AGAIN IN 2017 AND 2018.

A FEW THINGS HAVE CHANGED. THE LEGISLATURE AND WISDOM REMOVED THE OPPORTUNITY FOR LOCAL UNITS TO REDISTRICT AT

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THE LEGISLATURE CONSOLIDATED THE GENERAL PROVISIONS AS TO IF YOU MISS A DISTRICT OR DOUBLE COUNT OF PRECINCT THEY MOVE THOSE TO A DIFFERENT SECTION OF CODE THAT EVERYONE HAS THE SAME PROVISIONS. USED TO BE COUNTIES HAD THEIR PROVISION AND SECOND-CLASS CITIES HAD THEIR PROVISION AND TOWNS HAD THEIR PROVISION AND IT'S ALL CONSOLIDATED NOW AT 30 635. I'M SORRY 352.

I DIDN'T MENTION THIS IS MY FOURTH DECENNIAL AND PROBABLY FINAL DECENNIAL. TO WORK WITH LOCAL UNITS ON REDISTRICTING STARTING IN 1990 WAS THE FIRST TIME I DID.

I HAVE WORKED WITH COUNTIES, CITIES AND TOWNS AND TOWNSHIPS IN MARION COUNTY WHICH WERE REQUIRED TO REDISTRICT ALSO.

AND ALSO HAVE LITIGATED THESE MATTERS TO THE STATE SUPREME COURT AND TO THE CIRCUIT COURT OF APPEALS IN FEDERAL COURT WHEN SOMEONE DISAGREED WITH EITHER PROCEDURE OR MATH.

THROUGH THE LITIGATION PROCESS WHICH WE OBVIOUSLY WANT TO AVOID WE'VE COME UP WITH WHAT WE BELIEVE IS THE BEST ASSURANCE THAT THE PUBLIC HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE IN AS WELL AS MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.

AND REMOVE THE TWO MOST LIKELY CHALLENGES TO REDISTRICTING PLAN FIRST OF WHICH IS SOMEBODY'S GOT A PLAN THAT IS MORE EQUAL IN YOUR PLAN. BECAUSE STATUTORY CRITERIA IS AS EQUAL AS IS POSSIBLE. WE PUT TOGETHER GUIDELINES TO SAY THAT'S NOT THE ONLY THING WE ARE LOOKING AT.

WE ARE LOOKING AT MAINTAINING CURRENT DISTRICTS AND MAINTAINING PRECINCTS INTACT IF POSSIBLE AND OTHER ITEMS AND THAT'S WHY THESE GUIDELINES ARE IN PLACE.

THE SECOND CHALLENGE THAT CAN BE BROUGHT IS EITHER A POLITICAL OR SOCIAL GROUP THAT SAYS WE DID NOT HAVE A CHANCE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROCESS. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THOUGH NOT REQUIRED BY STATUTE OR CASE LAW REALLY THAT WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROCESS.

I DON'T BELIEVE ANYONE TURNED IN A PLAN IN 2018 AND 2012.

CAN'T RECALL IF ANY OF YOU WERE HERE FOR THAT WE HAD A GOVERNMENT CLASS SUBMITTED A PLAN AND PRESENTED IT AND IT WAS QUITE ENTERTAINING AND VERY GOOD AND INTERESTING FOR THE STUDENTS AS WELL. AS WE'VE DONE THIS OVER THE LAST YEAR FOR COUNTIES AND MUNICIPALITIES THERE HAVE BEEN A FEW PLANS THAT HAVE BEEN OFFERED I WILL CONSIDER THOSE.

THE RESOLUTION ITSELF IS A THREEFOLD ADOPT THE GUIDELINES THAT HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED TO YOU.

IT APPOINTS REDISTRICTING COORDINATOR IN THIS CASE THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE COUNCIL, COUNSILOR WORRELL AND CHARGES THE CORNER WITH PUTTING TOGETHER A DRAFT PLAN AND PRESENTING IT TO THE COUNCIL IN THE FORM OF THE ORDINANCE.

I'VE HANDED YOU A TIMELINE OF THE PROCESS.

TONIGHT'S MEETING OCTOBER 17 WE HOPE YOU ADOPT A RESOLUTION BECAUSE AN ABUNDANCE OF OPTIMISM OF ALREADY SUBMITTED NOTICE OF YOUR ADOPTION TO THE CARMEL CURRENT BECAUSE IT HAS A 10 DAY LEAD TIME NEARLY. ALSO TO THE INDIANAPOLIS STAR SO PUBLISHES NOTICE THE COUNCIL IS UNDERTAKING THIS PROCESS AND ALSO APPEAR AT THE NOBEL PRIZE ON THE 18TH.

IN CURRENT 19 FOR THE TIMES. THEN THERE ARE TWO DEADLINES.

IF SOMEONE HAS ISSUE WITH THE GUIDELINES HAVING DONE THIS FOR 20 YEARS WITH THESE GUIDELINES AND NEVER HAD ANYONE FILE HAD AN ISSUE WITH THE GUIDELINES BECAUSE THEY ARE CLEAR.

THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO FILE COMMENTS WITH THE CLERK'S OFFICE UNTIL OCTOBER 28 AT NOON.

THE DEADLINE FOR SUBMITTAL OF PLANS IS NOVEMBER THIRD AT NOON

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10 PUBLIC ACCESS PACKETS SO I WILL STEP THROUGH QUICKLY SO YOU KNOW WHAT IS IN THERE AS WELL.

IF YOU WANT TO OBTAIN ONE SIGN UP WITH THE CLERK'S OFFICE AND GET ONE AND HAVE FUN. IT HAS A COPY OF THE GUIDELINES AND IT AT INSTRUCTION SHEET FOR SUBMITTING THE DISTRICT PLANS AND IS ALSO CONTAINED IN THE GUIDELINES.

IT HAS A COPY OF YOUR CURRENT MAP, THE ONE I HANDED OUT IN THE MAP THAT ALSO APPEARS ON YOUR WEBSITE WHICH IS GENERALLY THE SAME BUT HAS DIFFERENT PRECINCT CITATIONS AND IT.

AT THE PRESENT POPULATION CHART AND EXCERPT OF CARMEL CITY CODE IN YOUR CURRENT DISTRICT BOUNDARIES AND A SUMMARY SHEET IF SOMEONE WANTS TO TURN IN A PLAN THEY CAN FILL THAT OUT AND DO SO AND IT WILL BE THE SAME SHEET THAT COUNSILOR WORRELL COMPLETES WITH THE ASSISTANCE. I WILL STEP QUICKLY TO THE GUIDELINES AND ANSWER QUESTIONS AS INDICATED STATUTORY CRITERIA IS VERY LIMITED FOR THIS. THERE ARE FOUR THAT THE DISTRICTS ARE COMPOSED OF CONTINUOUS TERRITORY AND THAT MEANS YOU CAN'T HAVE A PRECINCT OVER HERE AT A PRECINCT OVER HERE UNLESS THAT'S THE WAY THE PRECINCTS ARE AND THAT'S THE WAY IT IS A COUNTIES BOUNDARIES ARE AND WE FOUND THERE ARE A FEW LIKE THAT. YOU WON'T HAVE THAT PROBLEM.

THEY ARE REASONABLY COMPACT AND DO NOT CROSS PRECINCT LINES WITH TWO MAJOR EXCEPTIONS AND CONTAIN AS NEARLY AS POSSIBLE EQUAL POPULATION WITH RESPECT TO SPLITTING PRECINCTS THERE ARE TWO REASONS STATUTE GIVES YOU CAN DO THAT.

FIRST OF ALL IF TWO COUNSELORS LIVE IN THE SAME PRECINCT YOU CAN DO SO. LEGAL CATCH ALL COME IF YOU NEED TO SPLIT THEM TO MAKE POPULATION MORE LEGAL.

YOU CAN DO IT. WE PREFER NOT TO.

JUST BECAUSE OF ELECTION DIFFICULTY AND FRANKLY EVEN WITH THOSE CENTERS THAT'S NOT QUITE A BIG DEAL.

IT IS DIFFICULT FOR CONSTITUENTS AND WE SAY PRECINCT CENTER ONE UNLESS YOU LIVE SOUTH OF MAIN STREET AND THAT'S ANOTHER COUNSELOR. FRANKLY IT IS CONFUSING FOR THE COUNCIL MEMBERS THEMSELVES AS WELL.

WE WALKED TO THE GUIDELINES I WALKED THROUGH THE STATUTORY CRITERIA AND THEY EXPLAIN THE CRITERIA A LITTLE BIT FURTHER THROUGHOUT. AND THEN GIVE THE SUBMISSION AND CONSIDERATION OF DISTRICT PLANS.

GUIDELINES TO THE PUBLIC IF THEY DESIRE TO DO SO.

THE SAME REQUIREMENTS THAT COUNSILOR WORRELL WILL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH. THERE'S A COPY OF THE NOTICE THAT WILL APPEAR IN THE PAPER ALSO AS EXHIBIT 1.

AN EXHIBIT NUMBER TWO IS THE OBSTRUCTIONS THAT APPEAR IN THE PUBLIC ACCESS PACKET EXHIBIT 3 IS A SUMMARY PAGE AND HE WAS SUBMITTING A PLAN WILL FILL OUT.

WITH THAT I'M VERY HAPPY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS.

>> COUNSILOR WORRELL? >> I JUST WANT TO DRAW COUNCILS ATTENTION TO NOVEMBER 9 AND NOVEMBER 15, TWO SPECIAL

MEETINGS. >> I'M SORRY I DID NOT SAY

THOSE. >> WE LOOKED AT THE CALENDAR WHEN THE ROOM IS AVAILABLE TRYING TO LOOK INTO THE FUTURE SO THOSE WILL BE TWO IMPORTANT DATES TO PUT ON YOUR CALENDAR.

>> IF I CAN MR. PRESIDENT I WILL STEP THROUGH THE PROCESS.

THANK YOU COUNSILOR WORRELL I HAD IN MY HAND MOVED STRAIGHT TO DEADLINES THE DEADLINE FOR SUBMITTAL IS NOVEMBER 3 AS I INDICATED AND BECAUSE WE ARE PUSHING AGAINST THE DEADLINE AND WORKING WITH A NUMBER OF OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AS WELL I ASKED IF YOU DON'T HAVE A MEETING ON THE SEVENTH AND THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT GRACIOUSLY SAID WE WILL HAVE A SPECIAL MEANING OF THE COUNCIL NOVEMBER 9 WILL BE THE PURPOSE OF INTRODUCING THE ORDINANCE AND WORK PRODUCT IS THE ORDINANCE.

IT WILL BE FOR THE PURPOSE OF INTRODUCING THE ORDINANCE AND IT'S BEEN DETERMINED BY THE PRESENT IT WILL BE ASSIGNED TO THE FINANCIAL UTILITY RULES COMMITTEE.

COUNSILOR WORRELL HAS SELECTED NOVEMBER 15 AS A PUBLIC HEARING OF THAT COMMITTEE. AND THEN AFTER PRESUMING THERE IS A RECOMMENDATION MADE BY THE COMMITTEE, BACK TO THIS BODY ON NOVEMBER 21 AND A PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE THE FULL COUNCIL AS WELL. IF YOU'RE PREPARED AT THAT TIME

TO ADOPT A FINAL PASSAGE. >> COUNSEL THE NINTH IS 5:45 PM AND THERE'S A MEETING IN THIS ROOM AFTER AT 6:30 P.M..

THE 15TH WE ARE LOOKING AT 6:00.

>> WE HAVE NOTICED 6:00. >> FOR THE NINTH ALSO?

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>> WE WILL MAKE IT WORK. I DON'T THINK IT IS GOING TO BE A LONG MEETING. THANK YOU.

>> I KNOW YOU MENTIONED POPULATION VARIANCE ISN'T THE ONLY THING YOU CONSIDER BUT WHAT IS THE RANGE YOU LOOK FOR? IS THERE SOMETHING UNDER STATE LAW HAVE TO DO FOR POPULATION VARIANCE? WHAT'S THE GUIDELINES CALL FOR FIVE PERCENT AND IF IT'S MORE THAN FIVE PERCENT IT NEEDS TO BE JUSTIFIED. THERE ARE SOME LEGAL ARGUMENT THAT 10 PERCENT, THERE'S THE 10 PERCENT RULE.

THERE IS A PRIMA FACIE FOR THE LAWYERS AND THAT MEANS LIMITS FACE CASE THAT IF YOU'RE BELOW 10 PERCENT THAT'S A QUALITY OF POPULATION. I WROTE AN ARTICLE FOR THE MUNICIPAL LAWYERS ASSOCIATION AND IT HAS A CHAPTER CALLED BE AWARE OF THE 10 PERCENT RULE. THAT ISN'T ALL THAT DOES IS CHANGE THE BURDEN TO THE OTHER PARTY TO PROVE THAT THEY HAVE MORE EQUAL PLAN THAN YOURS. FIVE PERCENT IS WHAT WE SHOOT FOR. WE TRIED TO DO SO COUNSELOR WITHOUT SPLITTING PRECINCTS IF AT ALL POSSIBLE SOME OF YOUR PRECINCTS ARE PRETTY BIG. YOU HAVE 10 OF THEM THAT HAVE 2000 OF POPULATION. IT MAY BE DIFFICULT TO DO AND IF SO WE TRIED TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY CLERK WHO HAS MADE AN INQUIRY ABOUT TRYING TO TRUE UP THE PRECINCTS.

>> YOUR TALK ABOUT THE CURRENT POPULATION NOT ANTICIPATED

POPULATION. >> BY STATUTE YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE 2020 CENSUS DATA WHICH WE STAY IN THE GUIDELINES YOU CAN HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF AN EYE TO THE FACT THAT YOU WERE LOWER IN THIS DISTRICT BUT THERE'S A BIG DEVELOPMENT GOING IN THAT YOU CANNOT BASE, YOU HAVE TO BASE IT ON THE 2020 CENSUS POPULATION. THE OTHER DIFFICULT THING WE RUN INTO MANY PLACES IS ANNEXATIONS THAT HAVE OCCURRED SINCE 2020 WE DON'T HAVE THOSE THAT IS GOOD.

>> COUNSILOR FINKAM I KNOW YOUR FAMILY WILL MISS HOW THIS SPREAD OUT OVER YOUR KITCHEN TABLE.

COUNSELOR HANNON? >> THANK YOU MR. PRESIDENT I KNOW WE WILL GET TO THIS AT THE NEXT MEETING BUT THEORETICAL OBVIOUSLY SUMP IS GOING TO SHIFT.

NONE OF THIS IMPACTS ME BUT IN THE CENTRAL DISTRICT WE ARE OVERWEIGHT WHICH I THINK IS THE PLAN.

FOR FUTURE ELECTIONS COUNSELORS OR DISTRICT COUNSELORS WOULD HAVE TO LIVE IN THOSE BOUNDARIES FOR THOSE DISTRICTS BUT IF IT GETS REDISTRICTED DURING A TERM AS SOMEBODY WAS IN A DISTRICT AND PROVE THEY ARE NOT, HOW IS THAT HANDLED?

>> THIS IS CONFUSING. FIRST OF ALL LET ME GIVE YOU UPDATES. TO BE CANDIDATE IN NEXT YEAR'S MUNICIPAL ELECTION YOU HAVE TO RESIDE WITHIN THE CITY SOMEPLACE INCLUDING NEWLY AND NEXT AREAS ONE YEAR PRIOR SO NOVEMBER 7. TO FILE IN A DISTRICT YOU MUST FILE YOUR CANDIDACY, THE DEADLINE IS REALLY SIX MONTHS BEFORE THE ELECTION THE DEADLINE TO FILE CANDIDACY IS IN FEBRUARY YOU HAVE TO RESIDE IN THAT DISTRICT IN FEBRUARY.

I THINK IT IS FEBRUARY 7. I TRIED TO PULL UP CALENDAR, THE ELECTIONS CALENDAR AND COULD NOT GET THE RIGHT ONE BUT IT IS FEBRUARY EITHER THE SEVENTH OR 22ND.

BOTH OF THOSE ARE COMING TO MIND.

NOW, IF YOU ARE ELECTED TO A FOUR-YEAR TERM, DISTRICT YOU CONTINUE TO REPRESENT THAT DISTRICT FOR THE REMAINDER OF YOUR TERM REGARDLESS. WHICH IS QUITE CONFUSING BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE STAGGERED ELECTIONS YOU MAY HAVE SOMEBODY THAT WILL REPRESENT YOU FOR TWO MORE YEARS AND SOMEBODY DIFFERENT REPRESENT YOU NOW FOR THE NEXT FOUR YEARS ALSO.

YES? >> COUNSELOR NELSON?

>> JUST A QUESTION BECAUSE THIS IS MY FIRST GO AROUND AT THIS.

NOT TO SAY I WAS CAUGHT OFF GUARD BUT CAUGHT OFF GUARD SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE I FULLY UNDERSTAND WHAT WE ARE DOING IS REBALANCING THE PLAYING FIELD AT EACH ONE OF THESE DISTRICTS

CORRECT? >> THAT'S A FAIR STATEMENT YES.

>> EACH ONE OF THESE DISTRICTS NEEDS TO BE ROUGHLY THE SAME? THEY ALL SEEM TO BE ROUGHLY THE SAME OTHER THAN THOSE TWO DISTRICTS THAT HAPPEN TO COME WHERE I GUESS THERE'S BEEN A

LOT OF MOVEMENT. >> LET ME WALK YOU THROUGH A QUICK CALCULATION OF DEVIATION. FOR TOTAL DEVIATION, FIRST OF ALL THE GEARS SHOWN HERE IS THE DEVIATION OF THAT PARTICULAR DISTRICT OF THE IDEAL NUMBER. AND THE IDEAL NUMBER, I'M SORRY

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THE POPULATION IS THE ACTUAL POPULATION OF THAT 2020 CENSUS POPULATION OF THAT DISTRICT. THE PERCENTAGE IS THE DEVIATION FOR THAT DISTRICT FROM THE IDEAL 19,951 TO DETERMINE THE TOTAL DEVIATION OF A PLAN YOU TAKE THE HIGHEST DEVIATION IN THE LEWIS DEVIATION AND ADD THEM TOGETHER REGARDLESS OF THE NEGATIVE SIGN. FOR THIS PLAN AND HAS A TOTAL DEVIATION OF 12.24 PERCENT. ADDING TOGETHER DISTRICT 3 AT -6.33. AND SIX AT +5.91.

OUR GOAL IS TO HAVE A TOTAL DEVIATION OF FIVE -ISH AND COULD BE A LITTLE MORE OR A LITTLE BIT LESS BUT THAT'S THE GOAL WITHOUT SPLITTING PRECINCTS.

HONESTLY WE ARE NOT LOOK SO I CAN'T TELL YOU IF WE CAN DO THAT. MAYBE HIGHER, MAYBE SEVEN PERCENT OR YOU MAY SAY WE WANT TO CLOSER THAN THAT WE WILL SPLIT PRECINCTS TO MAKE IT HAPPENED.

>> IN THEORY IS IT POSSIBLE THE SITTING COUNCILPERSON COULD BE DISTRACTED OUT OF THEIR DISTRICT?

>> WE WILL ATTEMPT TO AVOID THAT.

THEORETICALLY YES IT IS ABSOLUTELY POSSIBLE.

WE HAVE NOT PLOTTED WHERE YOU ALL LIVE.

WE'VE DONE SOME THIS YEAR WHERE PEOPLE LIVE ACROSS THE STREET.

IT MAKES IT DIFFICULT BUT WE HAVE SUCCESSFULLY DONE THAT SO FAR. I THINK YOU MAY HAVE SEEN ONE THAT HAD A PLOT AND YOU ARE RIGHT IN THE CORNER AREN'T YOU?

>> FOR THE RECORD YES I'M IN THE CORNER.

[LAUGHTER] >> DON'T START SWIMMING YET.

>> YOU PROBABLY OUGHT TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH YOUR REDISTRICTING COORDINATOR ABOUT YOUR CONCERNS.

IN FACT I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU ¦

>> MAY BE ANOTHER COUNTY I WOULD NOT BE WORRIED BUT IN

THIS COUNTY MAYBE I AM WORRIED. >> COUNSILOR FINKAM? ASK BRIAN A COUPLE QUESTIONS THE 9951 CAN BE THE RIGHT NUMBER. IS IT 1651 IS DISTRICT TO WHERE

I RESIDE IS NOT THAT FAR. >> YES THAT NUMBER IS NOT RIGHT

IS IT? >> I DIDN'T KNOW BUT THE OTHER QUESTION I WANTED TO ASK WAS KEVIN IT'S MUST RESIDE BY FEBRUARY 7 BUT THIS SAYS MAY 7 WHICH IS AFTER THE MUNICIPAL PRIMARY. BOOKS THERE ARE TWO DEADLINES THE STATUTE SAYS MAY BUT TO BE CANDIDATE IN A DISTRICT YOU HAVE TO BE A CANDIDATE FILING DEADLINE WHICH IS IN FEBRUARY.

IT SAYS YOU HAVE TO RESIDE IN THE DISTRICT BUT THEY WON'T LET YOU FILE A CANDIDACY IF YOU LIVE IN ANOTHER DISTRICT.

>> THAT'S WHAT I WAS MISSING. IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE IF THE FILING, IF YOU HAVE TO LIVE IN THE DISTRICT THE FILING HAS TO ADHERE TO THAT AND THAT MAKES MORE SENSE TO THANK YOU FOR

THE. >> THE POPULATION IS NOT CORRECT WHICH MEANS THE DEVIATIONS, THOSE DEVIATIONS LOOK CORRECT BUT TOTL POPULATION.

I KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENED SOMEBODY DIVIDED BY FIVE INSTEAD OF SIX.

99,077C76 EQUALS 60,626. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT IT DIDN'T

SEEM QUITE RIGHT. >> WHICH MAKES A LOT OF SENSE BECAUSE DISTRICT NUMBER TWO IS 0.13.

WE WILL BE SURE THAT IS CORRECTED IN THE PACKET.

JACOB I WILL SHOOT YOU A REFRESHER FOR ONE OF THOSE PAGES. SORRY ABOUT THAT.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> THAT'S MY MISTAKE FOR THIS WEEK. I'M ONLY ALLOWED ONE PER WEEK.

>> MR. PRESIDENT? >> JOHN ONE? BOOKS I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION WE APPROVE RESOLUTION CC

17 1017 FEBRUARY 2, 2003. >> I SECOND.

>> IT IS. BOOKS I HEARD YOUR MOTION SAY

TO CHANGE THE AMOUNT TO 16,626. >> A SECOND?

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>> LET'S KEEP A CLEAN AMENDMENT.

>> I HEARD A AMENDMENT TO CHANGE THE NUMBER.

>> SECOND. >> PLEASE VOTE.

TRENTON I WILL TAKE A MOTION. >> I VOTE WE APPROVE THE SAME

RESOLUTION AS AMENDED. >> SECOND.

>> PLEASE VOTE. TRENTON PASSED.

RESOLUTION CC-10-17-22-01: A RESOLUTION OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL, INDIANA, APPROVING THE 2023 FEE SCHEDULE FOR BROOKSHIRE GOLF COURSE; C. SPONSOR(S): COUNCILOR(S) RIDER, AASEN AND FINKAM.

>> MOVED TO INTRODUCE. THIS RESOLUTION APPROVES THE 2023 FEE SCHEDULE FOR BROOKSHIRE GOLF COURSE AS SUBMITTEDY THE BROOKSHIRE GENERAL MANAGER.

AND BOB HIGGINS IS HERE. >> AND ON HIS WAY.

WELCOME. YOU TURNED IT OFF.

>> THERE WE GO. BASICALLY THIS IS OUR FEE SCHEDULE FOR NEXT YEAR. IN THE PAST WE HAD ONE THAT HAS LASTED FOR QUITE A WHILE WITH DIFFERENT WORDING AND IT IT GAVE US 25 PERCENT I BELIEVE IT WAS ROOM TO MOVE UP AND DOWN.

WE ARE PRESSING THAT. IT IS TIME FOR A NEW FEE SCHEDULE. WE WOULD LIKE TO COMPARE EVERYTHING WITH OTHER LOCAL COURSES WHILE TRYING TO BE A NICE AFFORDABLE GOLF COURSE FOR CARAMEL RESIDENTS TO PLAY.

>> COUNSEL, QUESTIONS? COUNSILOR WORRELL?

>> CAN YOU TELL ME HOW MANY MEMBERSHIPS YOU STILL ANNUALLY? WHAT'S THIS YEAR I BELIEVE WE HAD 84.

SOME OF THOSE ARE MARRIED COUPLES OR COUPLES AND THINGS LIKE THAT BUT TOTAL NUMBER IS WE HAD ABOUT 84.

>> THANK YOU. >> COUNSILOR AASEN?

>> BOB AS COMPARISON HOW DO YOU COMPARE TO OTHER COURSES? YOU ARE ONE OF THE BEST BARGAINS RIGHT?

>> YES WE ARE. FROM LIMITED INFORMATION WE CAN FIND AT THIS POINT FOR NEXT YEAR AT OTHER PLACES WE ARE COST-EFFECTIVE WE WILL SAY WE ARE RIGHT THERE AT THE LOWER LEVEL AND TRYING TO KEEP IT NICE AND AFFORDABLE FOR LOCAL

RESIDENTS. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS,

QUESTIONS OR A MOTION? >> MR. PRESIDENT?

>> COUNSILOR FINKAM? >> ANY DISCUSSION?

PLEASE VOTE. >> FIRST READING OF ORDINANCE D-2645-22; AN ORDINANCE OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL, INDIANA, AMENDING SECTION 8-48 OF THE CARMEL CITY CODE; SPONSOR: COUNCILOR FINKAM.

>> MOVED TO INTRODUCE. >> ESTABLISHES A 3-HOUR PARKING ZONE ON A PORTION OF COMMUNITY DRIVE.

SAW A 146 STREET. WERE HAVING HAPPEN HERE IS SATURDAY CAME THROUGH THERE WAS TWO SEMI CABS AND THREE SEMI TRAILERS PARKED ON EITHER SIDE OF THE DRIVE SITTING ON PAVERS.

ENGINEERS ARE NOT THRILLED ABOUT FROM AWAY PERSPECTIVE AND IT LOOKS LIKE A USED TRUCK LOT AND IS FOR A SAFETY INITIATIVE.

LITTLE KIDS DON'T LIKE TRUCK SITTING ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD FOR DAYS AT A TIME. I'M NOT SURE WHY THIS IS HAPPENING AND I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY HUMAN BEINGS AROUND THESE TRUCKS NUMBER OF TRUCKS HAS GROWN THAT ARE SITTING HERE DON'T KNOW IF SOMEONE IS ENTREPRENEUR DESIGNED TO MOVE TRUCKS AND HALOED IN IT OR IF THE COMMUNITY IS BUSY SAYING THIS IS A GREAT PLACE TO PARK AND BETTER THAN KROGER.

EITHER WAY I WANT IT TO STOP. I WOULD ASK YOUR SUPPORT OF THIS ORDINANCE AND ASK WE PASS IT IN THE FIRST READING TONIGHT SO OUR STREET APARTMENT COMMISSIONER CAN GET SCIENCE AND GET THIS POSTED. I MAY COME BACK TO YOU FOR ADDITIONAL CHANGES THERE IS A SIDE STREET CALLED HOPEWELL PARKWAY WHICH HAD A BAND COME THE TRUCK AND TWO TRAILER SITTING THERE AS WELL HOWEVER I DON'T THINK THEY ARE THE SAME, AND A CAMPER NOT THE SAME SEMI TRUCKS AND TRAILERS BUT OTHER USES. I WOULD LIKE TO DEAL WITH THOSE ON A ONE OFF CASE. IF ALL THIS DOES IS CHASE THE SEMITRUCK SOMEWHERE ELSE I WILL BE BACK BUT I HOPE IS ENTREPRENEUR SURE AND WE FLUSHED HIM OR HER OUT AND WE HAVE THE CONVERSATION. THE POLICE HAVE TOLD ME THERE'S NOTHING THEY CAN DO UNTIL THERE IS A RESTRICTION I WOULD LIKE TO INDULGE YOUR APPROVAL THIS EVENING.

>> COUNSEL ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?

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OR MOTIONS? >> I MOVED WE SUSPEND THE RULES

AND ACT ON IT THIS EVENING. >> I SECOND.

>> DISCUSSION. PLEASE VOTE.

YOU MAY ACT ON THIS THIS EVENING.

>> MOVED TO APPROVE. >> PLEASE VOTE.

YOU ARE PAST. >> THANK YOU.

[16. OTHER BUSINESS]

THE Q COUNSELOR CAMPBELL I CONNECTED WITH YOUR PERSON AND LOOKING TO NOTE THAT AND I HAVE ONE OTHER POSSIBILITY ALSO THAT WILL WRAP THAT UP SOON. APPROVING MAYORAL APPOINTMENTS FOR THE CARMEL HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION . WE HAVE NICK DAVIS EXPIRES DECEMBER 31, 2023. ROSEMARY DUNKEL EXPIRES DECEMBER 31, 2023. MILES NELSON (EXP 12/31/2022) JEFF LAWHEAD (EXP 12/31/2024) WILLIAM SANDERS, JR. (EXP 12/31/24) MINUS FRED SWIFT (EXP 12/31/22) NICK KESTNER (EXP 12/31/24) - ROSEMARY DUNKLE (EXP 12/31/23) MINUS ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? I'M TOLD BY LEGAL HAD TO APPROVE THE MIRRORS APPOINTMENTS. LEGAL IS HERE.

YOU WANT TO COME GIVE US A EXPLANATION?

>> PART ONE AND PART TWO, WHY ARE WE SAYING THAT EXPIRE IN 60

DAYS? >> I DON'T DISAGREE.

WE ARE GOING TO BE TOLD. >> GOOD EVENING COUNSEL THE APPROVAL FROM THE COUNCIL IS REQUIRED FOR THESE APARTMENTS UNDER INDIANA CODE THREE JUNE 7, 2011 FOR AND ALSO

CITY CODE TWO ÃONE 88. >> I'M ASSUMING THAT YOU THAT EXPIRE AT THE END OF THIS YEAR WOULD HAVE TO BE REAPPOINTED

AND REAPPROVED CORRECT. >> THAT IS CORRECT.

IT MAY APPEAR LIKE. SOME IS BETTER LATE THAN NEVER.

THE POINT IS THESE ARE TO BE APPROVED AS REQUIRED.

COUNSILOR FINKAM? >> NOTHING.

ANYBODY ELSE? I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

>> MOVED TO APPROVE THE NOMINATIONS.

>> SECOND. >> MILES ARE YOU GOING TO VOTE FOR YOURSELF? [LAUGHTER] COUNSELOR HANAN? EIGHT ÃZERO. 17 ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS? 18 WE ARE ADJOURNED WITHOUT

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