Aug 15, 2023 Carmel Plan Commission

[A. Call Meeting to Order]

[C. Roll Call]

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YOU CALL THE ROLE PLEASE? BUCKLER? JEFF HILL? JOBSEEKERS SUSAN WEST MEYER? AND PRES. GRABLE?

[D. Declaration of Quorum]

[E. Approval of Minutes]

>> PRESENT . >> WE HAVE A QUORUM. APPROVAL MINUTES FROM OUR JANUARY OR, EXCUSE ME, THE JUNE .

>> APPROVED . >> SECOND.

>> JUNE OR JULY? >> JULY. WE SKIPPED JULY . IT IS THE JUNE MEETING. WE HAVE A MOTION TEN-DAY SECOND , THANK YOU. ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE JUNE MINUTES IS CIRCULATED? ANY OPPOSED? MINUTES ARE APPROVED. COMMUNICATIONS,

[G. Reports, Announcements & Department Concerns]

AND NEWS FROM THE DEPARTMENT? >> NOTHING REALLY TO ADD , THAT ANDREW'S PD REMAINS AT HIS COMMITTEE, SO IT WAS CONTINUED LAST MONTH TO THE SEPTEMBER COMMITTEE MEETING . AND THAT TH COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE FOR THE CONNER PRAIRIE PUD REZONED

[H. Public Hearings]

COUNCIL. THAT IS IT. >> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. THAT TAKES US TO THE PUBLIC HEARINGS PORTION OF THIS EVENING'S AGENDA, WHICH I OUR ENTIRE REMAINING AGENDA TONIGHT, WE HAVE TWO PROPOSALS TO HEAR . BEFORE WE TAKE AS A THE RULES FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS PROVIDE FOR A 15 MINUTE PRESENTATION BY THE PETITIONER, FOLLOWED BY AN OPPORTUNITY FOR COMMENT FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, THAT IS A 20 MINUTE TOL TOTAL, THE PETITIONER HAS UP T FIVE MINUTES TO RESPOND TO THOS COMMENTS , THEN AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE DEPARTMENT REPORT, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. THEN FOLLOWED BY DISCUSSION BY MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. SO, WITH THAT WE HAVE SEVERAL INDIVIDUAL PETITIONS RELATED TO ONE PROJEC FOR OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING THIS EVENING, I WILL READ THEM IN TOGETHER. THEY ARE DOCKETS PZ-2023-00 136 , D48 LS, THE EDGE OF WEST CARMEL. DOCKET PZ-2023-00 157 REQUIRING A MINIMUM LOT AREA OF 5000 FT.÷ PER MULTIFAMILY DWELLING UNIT WHERE 298 ARE PROPOSED. DOCKET PZ-2023-00 158 A VARIANCE OF UDO SECTION 5.28, 540 PARKING SPACES FOR THIS PROJECT, 394 REQUESTED . DOCKET UDO 159, A VARIANCE OF UDO SECTION 2.24 REUIRING MAXIMUM LOT COVERAGE OF 40% , 50% IS A PROPOSED.

DOCKET PZ-2023-00 160, VARIANC OF UDO SECTION 3.88 SECTION 3.8 8C, WHERE A 20 FOOT MAXIMUM HEIGHT , BUILDING HEIGHT, IS ALLOWED ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL USES, 27 FEET AND 38 FEET OR PROPOSED. DOCKET PZ-2023-00 16 A VARIANCE OF UDO SECTION 3.8 8D WHERE BUILDING FACADES OF 9 FEET OR GREATER SHALL HAVE OFFSETS NOT LESS THAN A FEET DEEP FOR THE PROPOSAL IS FOR 1.5 FOOT OFFSET. FINALLY, DOCKE PZ-2023-00 162, THE VARIANCE O UDO SECTION 3.9 6B REQUIRING MINIMUM REAR YARD SETBACK OF 52.5 FEET ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL , AND 40 FEET IS PROPOSED. THE APPLICANT SEEKS SITE PLAN OR DESIGNER APPROVAL AS WELL AS VARIANCES FOR A NEW DEVELOPMENT WITH A APARTMENT COMPLEX OF 252 UNIT AND ONE FUTURE COMMERCIAL OUTLAWED, THE SITE IS LOCATED AT 1135 NORTH MICHIGAN RD. , ZONED B3 BUSINESS, THE SITE IS WITHIN TH U.S. FOR 21 OVERLAY ZONE , THE PETITION HAS BEEN FILED BY RICK LAWRENCE WITH RICKENBACKER LLC

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ARE YOURS. >> THANK YOU. FOR THE RECORD MY NAME IS JOHN TAMMY SEEK, I AM A LAND PROFESSIONAL , WE REPRESEN THE PETITIONER, REI REAL ESTAT SERVICES , WE ARE PRESENT TONIGHT , MIKE WELLS, DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT, HIS ROLE AS TH PROPERTY OWNER, AND OTHER MEMBERS OF THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM INCLUDING REPRESENTATIVES FROM CONTEXT TO DESIGN FROM SEBRING ARCHITECTS, AND THE PROJECT ENGINEER, RICK LAWRENCE, THE ATTORNEY IS ALSO PRESENT THIS EVENING. BY WAY OF GENERAL BACKGROUND, THE SITE IS MOST RECENTLY OCCUPIED BY THE LANDSCAPE BUSINESS THAT CLOSED IN 2001 IN ORDER TO ALLOW THIS REDEVELOPMENT , REI HAS FILED APPLICATIONS PREVIOUSLY FOR APPROVAL OF THE DEVELOPMENT PLA , AS WELL AS SIX VARIANCES TO THE PLAN COMMISSION MEMBERS FO YOUR CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING REI IS THE DEVELOPER OF THE SITE IN THE CURRENT OWNER -- W HAVE REVERBERATION FROM SOMEWHERE .

>> WE ARE GETTING DELAYED AUDIO MAYBE THROUGH THE ZOOM PRESENTATION? THANK YOU. GOT IT.

>> THANK YOU. WHILE I INDICATED, REI IS THE DEVELOPER, THE CURRENT OWNERSHI WILL CONTINUE TO BE AN OWNER O THE SITE -- THAT'S NOT BETTER COUNSELOR AUSTIN IS VIRTUAL, AND HE NEEDED HIS COMPUTER, WE

ARE GOOD TO GO . >> THANK YOU. SO, IN SUMMARY THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING COMMISSIONER APPROVAL TO DEVELO A 252 UNIT MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY , AND A PARTIAL ALONG MICHIGAN ROAD THAT INCLUDES COMMERCIAL USES.

THE REAL ESTATE IDENTIFIED ON THE EXHIBIT ON DISPLAY INCLUDED BEHIND YOUR GROCERIES, THIS IS A 2023 EARLY 2023 AERIAL PHOTO THE SUBJECT OF REAL ESTATE IS GENERALLY LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE BETWEEN 106 AND 116TH AND IS APPROXIMATELY 23 ACRES IN AREAS, SURROUNDING USES INCLUDE THE RUBEN NELSON MORTUARY AND THE WOODHAVEN SUBDIVISION TO THE NORTH, THE MORTUARY HERE , IN THE BALANCE OF THE NORTHERN FRONTAGE, THE REAL ESTATE OWNED BY THIS FAMILY I TO THE EAST, SO THIS REAL ESTATE HERE. TO TH SOUTH ARE THE WESTERNS, TOWNS AT WESTERN POINT , AND THE COMMUNITY IS LOCATED HERE AND OTHER COMMERCIAL USES WITHIN TH OVERLAY TO THE SOUTH LOCATED ALONG MICHIGAN ROAD. THE REAL ESTATE ZONED B3 BUSINESS AND RESIDENTIAL, AND IS WAS ALSO WITHIN THE MICHIGAN ROAD OVERLA AS NOTED BY STAFF AND THE DEPARTMENT REPORT , THIS WAS ALSO INCLUDED IN THE DEPARTMENT REPORT, FROM 1998 WHEN THAT SITE WAS ORIGINALLY ZONED B-3.

THE COMMITMENTS ALLOW FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO APPROVE USES INCLUDING THE PROPOSED USE OF MULTIFAMILY AND OTHER PERMITTED USES ALONG MICHIGAN ROAD. AS I INDICATED A COMPLET COPY WAS FORWARDED TO THE PLAN COMMISSION INCLUDED WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT. ADDITIONALLY THE VARIANCES REQUESTS ARE BEING REVIEWED BY THE PLAN COMMISSION UNDER THE COMBO COMMITTEE PROCESS, AND HAVE BEEN ABOUT EVALUATED BY STAFF THE DEPARTMENT REPORT IS THREE OR FOUR PAGES TOWARD PROVIDING A SUMMARY AND THE ANALYSIS REGARDING THE VARIANCE REQUEST.

A COLOR SITE PLAN FOR THE PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS WHICH THE EXHIBIT CAN BE FOUND BEHIND TAB THREE OF YOUR BROCHURES. THERE ARE 11 PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS CONSISTING OF , AS PREVIOUSLY INDICATED, 252 APARTMENTS , BY COMPARISON, REGARDING THE DEVELOPMENT . THE BUILDINGS ARE FOR POSITION WITH TWO STORY BUILDINGS ADJACENT TO THE SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL USES PICK IF YOU FOLLOW THE EXHIBIT IT IS ON DISPLAY ON THE SCREEN, TWO STORY BUILDINGS HERE AROUN THE NORTH, EAST AND SOUTH PERIMETER, THREE-STORY BUILDING ARE ADJACENT TO COMMERCIAL USE TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH OF THE

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ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING AND OPEN-SPACE ENHANCEMENTS INCLUDE A POLLINATED GARDEN CLOSER TO MICHIGAN ROAD, INDICATED HERE , AND TREE-LINED INTERNAL DRIVES, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE PLAN , THIS WILL ENHANCE PROJECT AESTHETICS OVER 1 ACRE TO STRATEGICALLY COMPLEMENT THE EXISTING POND ENVIRONMENT THAT WILL BE EXPANDED LOCATED HERE. THERE'S A MINIMUM OF 401 PARKING SPACES , WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH INDUSTRY STANDARDS, ONE OF THE VARIANCES BEING SOUGHT REGARDING A REDUCTION OF THE REQUIRED NUMBE OF PARKING SPACES. THIS WILL BE REQUIRED FOR THE PROPOSED NUMBE OF PARKING SPACES. ACCESS TO TH SITE WILL BE FROM MICHIGAN ROAD AND BENNETT PARKWAY LOCATED HERE. ACCESS TO THE NORTH HERE AND SOUTH AND EAST MAY OCCUR I THE FUTURE, THOSE PARCELS ARE NOT REQUIRED TO CONNECT, BUT IF THE DEVELOPENT WERE TO GROW IN THE FUTURE , WE HAVE AGREED TO PROVIDE CROSS CONNECTIVITY ACROSS THE SITE TO PROVIDE ACCESS TO THE NORTH , TO THE SOUTH LOCATED HERE, AND TO THE EAST, THERE'S NOT OBLIGATIONS TO CONNECT, AND NO DEVELOPMENT ON THE EAST TO CONNECT. INTERNALLY, THERE IS A PLANNED AMENITIES SPACE AND WALKING PLANS AND A DOG PARK POSITIONE OVER HERE. THE AREA AROUND THE INTERNAL POND WILL BE AN ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREA THAT SPACE IN HERE HAS SPECIFICS REGARDING IF YOU LOOK IN AND ZOOM REALLY CLOSELY YOU CAN SEE IT IS STIPPLED, THAT REPRESENTS THINGS ON THE DETAILED ENGINEER PLAN , WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN OTHER MANICURED AREAS ON THE LAWN.

ARCHITECTURE, THE NEXT TWO EXHIBIT REGARD THE PROPOSED BUILDING, THIS IS OF A TYPICAL THREE-STORY BUILDING , THE OVERLAY PERMITS 30 FOOT +8 FEE FOR SCREENING , THERE ARE ADDITIONAL DETAILS IN YOUR BROCHURE ABOUT GROUND MOUNTED AND MOUNTED BEHIND THE SCREEN WALL , THIS DOES NOT COME TO A PEAK, AND HAS OPENED UP INTO A SPACE THAT PROVIDES TRAINING MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT. IN THIS CASE THERE IS A VARIANCE NECESSARY TO ALLOW FOR THE DESIGN RATHER THAN A FLAT ROOF.

THE PITCHED ROOF IS PREFERRED BY THE APPLICANT. THE NEXT PERSPECTIVE IS A TYPICAL TWO STORY BUILDING APPROXIMATELY 2 FEET TALL , THE 20 FOOT HEIGHT IS MEASURED AT THE ROOFLINE, IT EXCEEDS THE HEIGHT BECAUSE IT IS A PITCHED ROOF DESIGN, THIS INCLUDES A COMBINATON OF MASONRY AND FIBER CEMENT SIDING, THE ARCHITECTURAL SIDIN WITH THE MICHIGAN ROAD OVERLAY STANDARDS REQUIRE A FEDERAL ARCHITECTURAL STYLE OF ARCHITECTURE . SIGNIFICANT OFFSETS ARE PROVIDED IN BOTH O THESE ILLUSTRATIONS. HOWEVER, THEY DO NOT MEET THE LETTER OF THE ORDINANCE WITH REGARD TO SPACING THAT IS IDENTIFIED IN THE OVERLAY FOR WHICH WE ARE SEEKING ONE OF THIS EXPERIENCES DETAILED ELEVATIONS OF ALL THE BUILDINGS AND ALL ELEVATIONS BOTH IN COLOR AND BLACK AND WHITE ARE PREVENTED HERE.

TO REVIEW REALLY QUICKLY, BUILDING HEIGHTS . AGAIN, THE THREE-STORY BUILDINGS ARE INTERNAL TO THE SITE, THESE ARE THE THREE-STORY BUILDINGS, THES ARE THE TWO STORY BUILDINGS ALONG THE PERIMETER THAT REQUIR THE APPROVAL BECAUSE THE

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TECHNICALLY THE THREE-STORY BUILDING WHICH IS ADJACENT TO THE MORTUARY ALSO REQUIRES A VARIANCE APPROVAL, BECAUSE OF ITS PROXIMITY , A COUPLE OF FEE AWAY FROM THE RESIDENTIAL, BUT AS REVIEWED BY STAFF, AND ALL EYES BY ADJACENT TO THE RESIDENTIAL SPACE. REGARDING BUILDING SETBACKS , THIS IS THE LAST VARIANCE REQUEST , THESE TWO BUILDINGS, ONLY BUILDING FIVE AND SIX ARE PLANNED, THE TWO BUILDINGS RIGHT HERE REQUIRING RELIEF FROM THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT, THE MINIMU WOULD BE 52 FEET PROVIDED TO TH NORTH PERIMETER , THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING A 40 FOOT SETBACK FO THE CLOSEST AREA OF THE BUILDING, YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE OFFSETS IN THE BUILDING AND IT IS ACTUALLY 52 FEET TO THE CENTER SPACE , SO THE AREA THAT IS A SUBJECT IS AND THE ARTICULATION ON THIS EASTERN FACADE OF THE BUILDING THAT REQUIRES VARIANCE CONSIDERATION THE EXHIBIT NOW ON DISPLAY IS THE UPDATED SITE PLAN, INCLUDING MODIFICATIONS TO THE FENCE LOCATION ALONG THE NORTH PERIMETER OF THE REAL ESTATE . WHILE THE PROPOSED LANDSCAPING IMPLIES AND EXCEEDS THE UDO REQUIREMENTS THE APPLICANT REQUIRES -- MODIFICATIONS. TH BUFFER NEXT TO WOODHAVEN IS 15 FEET , WHERE A MINIMUM OF 30 IS BEING PROVIDED AND IN MANY CASE AS YOU CAN SEE, MUCH MORE THAN 30 FEET. ALONG WITH THE DEFENS THAT IS POSITIONED ACROSS THE MAJORITY OF THE FRONTAGE AT 25 FEET. WE WERE ASKED BY THE ADJOINING WE COULD CONSIDER A RETAINING WALL TO EXTEND THE FEET ACROSS THE FRONTAGE , THE PETITIONERS AGREED TO THAT, THI REPRESENTS THE POSITION OF THE FENCE WHERE, TODAY, IF YOU FOLLOW IT CLOSE, THE FENCE COME BACK AND IS ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY LINE HERE. AND THEN BUMPS BACK OVER HERE. SO, WE AR GOING TO REVISE THAT , THE PLAN HAVE BEEN UPDATED AND SUBMITTED TO THE STAFF, AND SHOWS THE RETAINING WALL , THE FENCE LOCATION BEING 25 FEET CONSISTENCE ACROSS THE FRONTAG RATHER THAN TURNING BACK TOWARD WHERE IT IS ALONG AND TURNING TOWARD THE PERIMETER. AND WITH ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPE PLANNING, BETWEEN THE FENCES AND THE PROPERTY LINE.

LANDSCAPING, PRESERVATION AND TRAINING CHECK CONCERNS ALONG THE SOUTH PERIMETER OF THE SITE WE HAVE DISCUSSED BETWEEN SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS AND THE APPLICANT, THE APPLICANT IS REVIEWING SPECIFIC TREE LOCATIONS TO SEE WHERE ADDITIONAL TREES BEYOND THE 25 FOOT FENCE LINE . IN THIS SPACE HERE. NEXT TO THE TOWNHOMES. W ARE REVIEWING SPECIFICALLY THE TREES IN THAT LOCATION , TO SE WHAT ADDITIONAL TREES COULD BE PRESERVED IN THE SPACE, AND ALS ACCOMMODATE THE DRAINAGE REQUIREMENTS TO PULL ONTO OUR SITE AND NOT TO DISCHARGE WATER IN CONCLUSION, WE WILL CONTINU TO WORK WITH STAFF TO ADDRESS THE OUTSTANDING ITEMS NOTED IN THE DEPARTMENT REPORT BETWEEN NOW AND THE COMMUNITY MEETING . WE DID CONDUCT A MEETING OVER AT UNIVERSITY HIGH SCHOOL ON AUGUST 2 WHERE WE SHARE THE PLANS . WE DO LOOK FORWARD TO ADDITIONAL DIALOGUE REGARDING THESE ITEMS AND ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL ITEMS THAT COME UP THIS EVENING. THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM MET INDIVIDUALLY, THEN AFTER THAT MEETING WITH ADJOINING NEIGHBORS AFTER THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING, WHICH RESULTED IN MODIFICATIONS THAT JUST SHOWED YOU, THE REQUEST TO SEE THE FENCE PUSHED BACK AND MAINTAIN THAT SIDELINE, WHICH W CAN REVIEW IN ADDITIONAL DETAIL AT THE COMMITTEE MEETING . IT IS OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED THE MATTER BE CONVEYED TO THE RESIDENTIAL COMMITTEE AND THAT MEETING WOUL BE HELD ON SEPTEMBER 5 , WITH THAT I WILL CONCLUDE AND BE GLA TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS THE COMMISSION HAS NOW OR AT THE CONCLUSION OF YOUR PUBLIC

HEARING. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, JOHN. WE WILL CONTINUE WITH PUBLIC COMMENT. CAN I SEE A SHOW OF HANDS FIRST FROM ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF A GROUP ? AT ONE POINT THEY HAD AN ATTORNEY ENGAGED? IS THAT ATTORNEY PRESENT? DOES HE WISH TO SPEAK FOR ANYBODY? ANYBODY WISHES TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF A LARGER GROUP? GREAT. NOW, AND HLA

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ADDRESS, THE PICKS. . >> MY NAME IS DALE , WE RESIDE ON WOODHAVEN DRIVE. I AM A LICENSED ARCHITECT AND HAPPENS 1982 , I WORKED IN HERE FOR MAN YEARS. I WORKED WITH THE JIM NELSON ON SEVERAL PROJECTS AS WELL. BUT, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FENCE TONIGHT , IT IS INTERESTING. WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH YOU AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE OUR CONCERNS WITH YOU. JUST LIKE YOU, WE ARE HOMEOWNERS AND WE HAVE CONCERNS BUT WE FEEL THAT THE PETITIONER HAS DONE A GOOD JOB IN TRYING TO ADDRESS SEVERAL OF THE ISSUES, BUT IT DOES NOT GO FAR ENOUGH WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE THAT HAVE BEEN PUT IN PLACE THAT HAVE BEEN PUT IN PLACE FOR A REASON. THEY HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED FOR YEARS AND HAVE BEEN EVOLVING FO YEARS . IS A SITUATION THAT I FEEL SORRY FOR YOU FOLKS, YOU HAVE A TOUGH JOB EITHER WAY. I IS A TOUGH ONE, THE PETITIONERS ARE TRYING THEIR BEST TO MAKE THE PROJECT THAT IS WORTHY, WE ARE TRYING TO GET OUR WHAT WE NEED. WE UNDERSTAND THERE WILL BE DEVELOPMENT, WE ARE NOT AGAINST DEVELOPMENT. WE ARE NO NECESSARILY AGAINST THIS PROJECT. THIS PROJECT HAS GONE TOO FAR. IF YOU LOOK AT THE VARIANCES FOR THE PROJECT , THE ARE NOT MINOR. IN ANY WAY, SHAP OR FORM, THEY ARE NOT MINOR. IF YOU LOOK AT ANY OF THESE CODE ITEMS, AND I WILL START WITHOUT READING TOO MUCH, 244 UNITS WERE REJECTED BY THE LAST YEAR. WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD YOU APPROVE 252 THIS TIME? IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE. THE DENSITY IS TOO GREAT. THAT IS ONE MAIN ISSUE THAT I THINK ALL OF THE NEIGHBORS HAVE . IT IS TOO CROWDED TO TEACH CONCEIT THAT REALLY THERE IS NOT GOING TO BE THAT MANY PERSONS, THE ONE UNI OR MORE PER UNIT FOR ONE CAR PER UNIT, ONE VEHICLE PER UNIT IS NOT FEASIBLE, NOT EVERYBODY IS RIDING A BICYCLE. THERE WIL AT LEAST BE 240 SOME VEHICLES THERE IT REALLY SHOULD BE MORE THAN THAT . THE OTHER MAIN AREA THAT WE TALKED ABOUT , THEY PRESENTED THE THREE-STORY , OR THE COMMERCIAL AREA, THAT THEY ARE AND. IT IS LESS THAN 200 FEET TO NOT ONLY OUR RESIDENCE BUT THE NEIGHBORING RESIDENT. SO, THERE'S NO WAY THAT A THREE-STORY UNIT SHOULD BE APPROVED, AND 8 FOOT FENCE IS GOOD FOR NOT COMING OVER, BUT OTHER THAN THAT IT IS SOMETHING THAT ANYBODY IN A THREE-STORY BUILDING COULD LOOK DOWN INTO.

TO OUR PROPERTY, THE NEIGHBORIN PROPERTIES, AND SEE IN THE BACKYARDS. IT IS SOMETHING, AS THE PETITIONER IDENTIFIED, THAT WAS PUT IN THE INTERIOR PICKUP TO THE BUILDING, NUMBER ONE, IS NOT INTERIOR . IT AS LONG ALON THE PROPERTY LINE. I REALLY THINK THAT THIS COURT SHOULD JUST ASK THE PETITIONER TO RESUBMIT . I DO HAVE A COUPLE O OTHER THINGS. I JUST WANT TO BRING TO THE ATTENTION THAT I READ THE CARMEL WEBSITE . YOU KNOW, THE DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY SERVICES HAD A GREAT STATEMENT, TO ENHANCE THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF OUR CITIZENS. PROVIDING PROFESSIONAL AND EXCEPTIONAL CUSTOMER SERVICE. AND YOU OVERSEE THE BUILDING'S SAFETY, CODE ENFORCEMENT, PLANNING AND ZONING AND ENFORCEMENT . IT IS A SITUATION THAT I KNOW YOU TAK SERIOUSLY, BUT PLEASE LISTEN T WHAT THESE NEIGHBORS HAVE TO SAY. WOULD YOU WANT THIS IN YOU BACKYARD? IT IS A SITUATION THAT, AGAIN, WE ARE NOT AGAINST IT, WE JUST WANT MODIFICATIONS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU.

>>> GOOD EVENING, I AM ANDREW HALL, I ALSO LIVE IN THE WOODHAVEN NEIGHBORHOOD. I WILL BE BRIEF AS TO NOT REPEAT MANY OF THE THINGS THAT WERE JUST MENTIONED. I ALSO WORK OFF OF MICHIGAN ROAD, THIS IS WHERE I MAKE MY LIKELIHOOD. THIS IS WHERE I WANT TO RAISE MY FOUR KIDS. WHEN THE PRESENTER WAS PREVIOUSLY A PEER, HE MENTIONED THAT THE VARIANCE OF THE THREE-STORY BUILDING, AGAIN, RIGHT NEXT TO THE MORTUARY, AND IT BEING CLOSER , QUOTE UNQUOTE AS HE SAID, THAT IS MY BACKYARD

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WE LIVE IN, THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>>> GOOD EVENING, MY NAME IS CATHERINE KNOX, I AM A NEIGHBOR TO THE SOUTH OF THIS PROPOSED PROJECT. AND I GUESS, FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT ALL THE VARIANCES BEING REQUESTED SHOULD BE ENOUGH TO CAUSE CONCERN AND WHAT THEY AR PROPOSING. MY GREATEST CONCERN IS MY OWN BUILDING AND OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS NEXT TO ME, AND OUR VIEW FROM OUR OWN PROPERTIES, AND ALSO THE NATURE THAT WOULD BE PROXIMALLY DESTROYED BY THE PROPERTY. THEY DID PUT IN A FENCE , CAN I PUT THIS HERE? THIS IS ONE OF THE OUTLETS, THEY DID PUT IN A FENC WITHIN 25 EIGHT OF THE PROPERTY LINE THAT HERE. AND THEY DEPIC TREES TO THE SOUTH OF THIS FENCE, THAT WOULD BE ABOUT 25 FEET OF TREES LOOKING LIKE THE WOULD DEFINITELY BE PRESERVED.

BUT, IF YOU LOOK NORTH AT THAT YOU SEE IT IS ALL EMPTY, LIKE A GRASS AREA HOWEVER. IT LOOKS LIKE IT IS POSSIBLE TO ACTUALLY PRESERVE SOME TREE, BECAUSE THE HAVE DONE THAT OVER ON THIS SIDE. SO, IT LOOKS LIKE IT IS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE, IT JUST WAS NOT DONE DOWN HERE IN THIS AREA. AND I AM ASKING THAT THOSE TREES BE PRESERVED, THEY ARE SIGNIFICANT. FROM MY ESTIMATION, FROM WHAT I CAN SEE FOR MY BACKYARD, IT'S PROBABLY ABOUT TO DOUBLE THAT AMOUNT, ABOUT50 OR 40 FEET OF MATURE TREES THAT ARE BACK THERE THAT SHOULD BE PRESERVED , THAT IS OUR NATURE AREA FOR BIRDS AND OTHER WILDLIFE AND ARE REALLY TALL AND WOULD OBSCURE THE VIEW OF THE PROPERTY GOING AND ASKING FOR SO MANY VARIANCES . TOOK A PICTURE FROM MY UPSTAIRS WINDOW , I ESTIMATED TO THE BES OF MY ABILITY LOOKING BACK, IT'S HARD TO SEE BECAUSE IT IS REALLY GREEN AND KIND OF WILD , BUT I ESTIMATED ABOUT 25 FEET IN FROM THE PROPERTY LINE WOULD BE , IT WOULD BE PRESERVING MOST OF WHAT IS SHADED, THE FURTHER BACK ONCE ABOUT 50 FEE OR SO BACK WOULD BE LOST IF THEY TOOK THOSE DOWN. IT SEEMS LIKE, FROM THE DRAWINGS, THAT THAT IS A VERY REAL POTENTIAL THAT IS WOULD GO DOWN PIXEL, I AM JUST ASKING IF THEY ARE ASKING FOR SO MANY VARIANCES I THEY COULD KEEP NATURE AND MODIFY PLANS TO PRESERVE THAT.

ALSO, BEING NEW TO THIS WHOLE PROCESS, NOT EXACTLY NEW , BUT NOT EDUCATED IN THE WHOLE PLAN COMMISSION PROCESS AND ALL THIS AND EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS , M QUESTION IS, WHEN I BROUGHT THI UP TO THE PETITIONER , THEY SAID THEY WOULD POTENTIALLY TAL ABOUT IT LATER ON. BUT, I DON'T FEEL THAT SHOULD BE A CONVERSATION TO BE HAD LATER ON IT IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE IRONED OUT NOW. I GUESS I HAD A QUESTION TO THE PLAN COMMISSION, AND TO THE PETITIONER, LIKE WHAT CAN WE DO TO IRON THIS OUT NOW TO MAKE SURE, IF POSSIBLE, SOME OF THIS NATURE CAN BE PRESERVED, THESE ARE MATURE TREES THAT I THINK DESERVE A FAIR SHOT TOO. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME, THANK YOU LITTLE BIT OF TIME LEFT. YOU AR VERY EFFICIENT, THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO BE HEARD ON THIS PETITION ? AL RIGHT. THEN JOHN AND TIM, YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES TO RESPOND IF

YOU CHOOSE. >> AS I INDICATED IN PART OF OU PRESENTATION, WE LOOK FOR THE CONTINUED DIALOGUE , THE AREA

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REPORT? -- I THINK THE COMMISSIONER DID A GOOD JOB GOING OVER THE PROJECT IN GENERAL SO I WON'T WASTE TIME GOING OVER THAT AGAIN, BUT THIS PROJECT IS BEING HEARD AS A COMBO HEARING , THE PLAN COMMISSION IS REVIEWING BOTH OF THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THE ARCHITECTURE LANDSCAPING PORTION, AS WELL AS THE VARIANCES THAT WERE MENTIONED .

AS YOU MAY RECALL, THE PROJECT WAS PROPOSED BACK IN 2021, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME CHANGES MADE SINCE THEN LOOKING AT THE PLAN, ONE OF THE COMMERCIAL LOT WAS REMOVED TO THE SOUTH ALONG MICHIGAN ROAD, THAT WILL BE THE POND OR HABITAT THAT YOU SEE ON THE PLANS. ALSO, THE FENCE AROUND THE PERIMETER AND THE LANDSCAPING WAS TIGHTENED UP AN ENHANCE DEBATE, EXTENDED FURTHE ALONG BOTH AT THE NORTH AND SOUTH PROPERTY LINES , AND THEY DID, WHEN THEY REARRANGED THE COMMERCIAL LOT TO THE SOUTH OF THE REARRANGED THE DRIVE AND ADDED ANOTHER PERMANENT BUILDING. IN GENERAL, LOOKING AT THIS , RESIDENTIAL WOULD BE APPROPRIATE NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL THERE IS A MIX OF THE THREE AND TWO STORY BUILDINGS THAT PROVIDE GOOD HEIGHT POSITION BETWEEN THE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES AND THE TOWNHOMES SURROUNDING THE PROPERTY. THE APARTMENTS PROVIDE AN APPROPRIATE BUFFER T THE COMMERCIAL USES ALONG FOR 2 . THIS IS WITHIN THE MICHIGAN ROAD OVERLAY, IT IS WITHIN THE GATEWAY DISTRICT WITHIN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO, LOOKIN AT THAT, THAT SUPPORTS A LARGE LOT, MIXED-USE COMMERCIAL AND AREAS ALONG THE ACCESS POINTS IN CARMEL AND WOULD SUPPORT COMMERCIAL , RETAIL AND RESIDENTIAL. THE B-3 DISTRICT AND THE 421 OVERLAY ALLOW FOR MULTIFAMILY USE, HOWEVER IT IS UP TO THE PLAN COMMISSION TO DECIDE IF THE USES WILL BE ALLOWED ON THE LAND, DUE TO THOSE 1988 COMMITMENTS. REGARDING THE BUILDINGS, THEY HAVE BEEN DESIGNED WITH COMPLEMENTARY TO THE FEDERAL ARCHITECTURAL STYLE , THEIR TRADITIONAL DESIGN WITH BASE METAL AND TOP , AS IS REQUIRED BY THE 421 OVERLAY, RED BRACKET THE MAIN MATERIAL USED , WITH A CAST STONE BASE, THEN THEY USE SOME HEARTY LAP SIDING, SOME ACCENT MATERIAL ON IT NO MORE THAN 10% OF THE BUILDING. THEY DO SHOW THE 30 FOOT GREEN BELT ALONG MICHIGA ROAD WHICH IS REQUIRED, AND FOR YARDS AROUND THE PERIMETER ALONG THE NORTHEAST AND WEST, ALONG WITH AN 8 FOOT TALL CEDAR FENCE WIT MASONRY COLUMNS. THEY ALSO SHOW EXISTING EVERGREEN TREES WILL B PRESERVED ALONG THE NORTH AND EAST PERIMETER. THE SIX VARIANCES REQUESTED INCLUDE THE MINIMUM LOT AREA , PARKING, LOT COVERAGE, BUILDING HEIGHT, BUILDING OFFSETS, AND REAR YAR SETBACK. WE DID HAVE SOME OUTSTANDING COMMENTS IN THE DEPARTMENT REPORT THAT WERE MENTIONED INCLUDING REQUESTING MAKING THAT EAST-WEST DRIVE NORTH -- MORE OF A PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY, IF THAT CONNECTS IN THE FUTURE, THAT IS A PUBLIC STREET . LOOKING AT OTHER AREAS TO ADD SOME PARKING ON THE SITE POTENTIALLY MAYBE THEY ARE GOING TO ADD SOME PARALLEL PARKING ALONG THE MAIN STREET, OR OTHER AREAS WHERE WE MIGHT B ABLE TO IT IN SOME MORE PARKING WE HAVE ASKED WHAT SUSTAINABLE SITE THE BUILDING DESIGN ASPECT WILL BE ENTWINED -- IMPLEMENTED , EITHER LEAD OR GREEN BUILDING ASPECTS? AND WE NEED SOME MORE CLARIFICATION ON THE METRIC PLA TO CONFIRM THE LEVELS MEET THE UDO. WE DID RECOMMEND THIS GOE

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MEETING, THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU . THAT CLOSES THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THESE DOCKET'S . DISCUSSION FROM MEMBERS OF THE PLAN COMMISSION? TOBY?

>> I WILL KICK IT OFF. UNDER ITEM SIX , A QUESTION I HAVE BEEN ASKED IS EXPLAINED, CAN YOU HAVE A VISUAL OR SOMETHIG THAT SHOWS BUILDING FACADES 90 FEET OR GREATER IN WIDTH SHALL NOT HAVE OFFSETS NO LESS THAN FEET DEEP, 1.5 IS REQUESTED.

CAN YOU SHOW US WHERE THAT IS APPLICABLE ON THE DESIGN LAYOUT? SO THAT IS NOT ANY MISUNDERSTANDING ABOUT WHAT IT

ACTUALLY IS? >> YES, WE CAN PICK THIS UP AN PUT HIM ONE OF THE ILLUSTRATIONS. AND I THINK THI ILLUSTRATION OF A TWO STORY BUILDING, I BELIEVE THE TWO STORY BUILDING MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS , IT IS THE THREE-STORY BUILDING AND THE SPACING , I THINK IT IS THE SPACING THAT DOES NOT MEET THAT LETTER , REGARDING THE OFFSETS.

THERE ARE OFFSETS OF THE THREE-STORY BUILDING THAT ARE GREATER THAN 8 FEET THAT DON'T MEET THE MINIMUM OF 90 FEET OF SEPARATION ACROSS THE FACADE, THAT IS THE BEST I CAN DO TONIGHT. BUT I WILL HAVE THE COMMITTEE MEETING TO BETTER ILLUSTRATE THAT. THEY ARE NOT FLAT, THEY HAVE A TRIBULATION ACROSS THE PROJECT, WHICH IS 8 FEET OR GREATER , IT DOES NOT MEET THE SPACING REQUIREMENT ACROSS THE FACADE OF THE BUILDING. ANOTHER ONE SPEAK TO STAFF, BUT I THINK THE SPACING REQUIREMENT IS DESIGNED TO MAK SURE THERE ARE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS WITH THE OFFSETS ACROSS THE FRONTAGES AS YOU MIGHT SEE ON BIGGER BUILDINGS LIKE COLDS OR TARGET OR ONE OF THE OTHER BUILDINGS FURTHER SOUTH , THAT A STANDARD THAT HELPS REGULATE TO MAKE SURE THOSE ARE FLAT FACADES ACROSS THE POND CHURCH, BUT THESE ARE NOT FLAT .

>> I THINK WHEN EACH OF THE RESIDENTIAL COMMITTEE, IT WOULD BE HELP , BECAUSE IF YOU'RE JUS LOOKING AT THEM AND DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT REFERS TO, THAT LOOKS ALARMING.

>> AND ASK FOR CLARIFICATION ON THIS? CAN YOU POINT OUT THE FACADE THAT I SEE STICKING OUT THERE, HOW FAR IS THAT ON THIS PART OF THE INFORMATION ON THE BROCHURE .

>> TO ME THAT SEEMS MORE THAN A FOOT AND A HALF, BUT IF I HAD DONE CONCEPT OF WHAT I AM LOOKING AT, I WOULD AGREE, THAN

YOU. CEMENT >> MY NAME IS RUTH, I AM WITH SEBRING ARCHITECTS, I'M DOING I BASED OFF OF MEMORY .

>> WE WON'T HOLD YOU TO IT, JUS GIVE US A CONCEPT OF WHAT WE AR LOOKING AT, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. I SEE TWO SEPARATIONS OF THE FACADE, THE ONE THAT YOU JUST HAD YOUR FINGER ON, FOR AND, THAT IS THE ONE THAT I WAS IN QUESTION ABOUT. WHAT DID YO

THINK THAT SEPARATION IS? >> I THINK THAT IS THREE OR 4

FEET . >> OKAY . AND THEORETICALLY THE NEXT STOP BACK TO YOUR RIGHT , THE OTHER WAY, ACTUALLY YEAH, THAT ONE RIGHT THERE. THAT IS MAYBE LIKE 10 FEET THEN?

>> YES PICKS OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE YOU SHOOTING FROM THE HIP.

STATEMENT , THIS IS A CONSIDERATION STATEMENT FOR WHE YOU COME TO THE RESIDENTIAL COMMITTEE. IF THE CONCERN IS ABOUT BUILDING THAT I CAN GET FAR ENOUGH BACK I CAN TELL. THE CONCERN IS ABOUT BUILDING ONE, JUST COME PREPARED TO ADDRESS OTHER REDUCING THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING , OR RELOCATING THE POLLINATOR HABITAT . I'M SURE PEOPLE DRIVING ALONG MICHIGAN ROAD WOULD THINK IT IS LOVELY, BUT MAYBE THAT WOULD BE BETTER PLACED MORE INTERIOR TO THE PROJECT. AGAIN, I'M NOT

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AND THE TREE LINES , WHICH HE VARDY SAID YOU ARE GOING TO ADDRESS. BUT, HOW FAR NORTH , AND HOW HIGH UP IT GOES , BUILDING ONE, I THINK IT'S IS THE STUMBLING BLOCK RIGHT NOW.

RECENTLY IS GONE OUT AND TAKEN A DRONE UP AND POSITIONED THE DRONE IN RELATION TO WHERE THE BUILDINGS ARE , SO THE IDEA OF PLACE YOURSELF IN THE BUILDING OF THE HEIGHT OF THE WINDOWS THAT ARE THERE, THIS IS WHAT IS VISIBLE FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE , SO WE WILL BRING SOME PHOTOS AN SOME POSITIONING AS WELL. THES ARE THE IDEAS YOU ASKED US TO CONSIDER THIS EVENING. JOHN, I DON'T WANT TO INTERRUPT JOSH AN DEBBIE'S FLOW OF THINKING , BUT IF YOU COULD, THE CROSS-SECTION BEHIND TAB EIGHT ARE HELPFUL.

IF YOU COULD PROVIDE CROSS-SECTIONS THAT ADDRESS TW ISSUES FOR ME. ONE IS THE IDE OF BUILDING HEIGHT VERSUS HOW FAR FROM THE BUILDING LINE EACH OF THE BUILDINGS THAT REQUIRES A VARIANCE IS LOCATED, AND THEN SECONDLY, THE SAME CONCEPT, WITH RESPECT TO LINE O SIGHT , LINE OF SIGHT TO THE PROPERTY LINE IS DIFFERENT THAN A LINE OF SIGHT TO A NEIGHBORIN RESIDENCE IN MIGHT BE HELPFUL FOR THE COMMITTEE TO UNDERSTAND BOTH THE CONCEPT OF HEIGHT, LINE OF SIGHT, AND DISTANT , AN HOW THOSE THREE INTERPLAY, SO SOME CROSS-SECTIONS THAT WOULD HELP PICTORIALLY HELP THE COMMITTEE UNDERSTAND THOSE ISSUES THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL.

>> WE WILL PREPARE THAT AND BRING IT TO THE COMMITTEE .

>> THANK YOU. LEFT >> ADAM?

>> I WILL ASK FOR CLARIFICATION AS THE AGENDA INDICATED 394 SPACES REQUESTED PROCESS FOR A ONE, JUST TO CONFIRM WE ARE LOOKING AT 401 SPACES, CORRECT

>> CORRECT, YES. PRESIDENT GRABLE?

>> JEFF? >> I GUESS A COUPLE OF THOUGHT FROM A BIG PICTURE PERSPECTIVE OR HIGHER LEVEL VIEW , THERE AR A NUMBER OF VARIANCES REQUESTED THIS CAME UP DURING THE LAST DISCUSSION IN 2021. NORMALLY W ARE PETITIONED FOR A VARIANCE, OR WE ARE ASKED TO CONSIDER A VARIANCE WHEN THERE IS A SITE CONSTRAINTS THAT CANNOT BE MET, HERE IS HOW WE CAN SOLVE THAT PROBLEM , AS FAR AS MEETING A ZONING REQUIREMENT, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF VARIANCES REQUESTED , I GUESS IT IS SUBJECTIVE , SO I WILL PAUSE THERE FOR A MINUTE. AND IF THERE WERE LESS VARIANCE TO CONSIDER THAT HELPS MAKE IT MORE PALATABLE AND SELLABLE.

BUT SETTING THAT ASIDE FOR A MOMENT PERHAPS IT'S BEEN LONGE

THAN I REMEMBER. >> THANK YOU. , I'VE TALKED TO THE COMMISSIONER AGAIN. IT SMELLS LIKE THE RIGHT USE , LAST YEAR I THOUGHT IT WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE DENSE THAN IT NEEDED TO BE, IT FELT LIKE A LO WAS KIND OF PUSHED IN THERE, YET WE HAD MORE UNITS TO CONSIDER , I KNOW THERE IS A MATH CALCULATION THERE. SO, THAT IS SOMETHING FOR THE COMMISSION TO CONSIDER . IF THERE WERE LESS BUILDINGS MAYBE THAT MAKES IT A LITTLE MORE SELLABLE , AND IN JEFF'S OPINION, I SUPPOSE . THE OTHER THING I NOTED, WE HAVE A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHAT TO THE ARCHITECTURE WAS LIKE. I THINK THE FORMER PLANNING COMMISSION HEARING MEMBER DESCRIBED IT LOOKS LIKE THE BARRACKS IN THE MILITARY, THE ARCHITECTURE HAS COME A LONG WAY, SO I GUESS FRO THAT PERSPECTIVE THANK YOU FOR THE CHANGES AND CONSIDERATIONS YOU HAVE MADE THEIR , I LOOK FORWARD TO SOME ADDITIONAL DETAILS . AND I GUESS WITH THA BEING SAID, I LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING THE DIALOGUE .

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>> THANK YOU. >> OKAY. AND I FEEL LIKE WE ARE CONTINUING OUR CONVERSATION THA WE HAD THE LAST TIME ON THIS TOPIC . SO, I DO REQUEST THE TREE-LINED STREETS, SO THANK YO FOR MAKING THE CHANGE. I APPRECIATE THAT FACT WITH REGARDS TO THE VARIANCES, THE ONE THAT I AM TRYING TO REALLY WRAP MY HEAD AROUND IS THE INCREASE IN DENSITY. 24, ONE I YEAH, THAT WAS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WE HAD LAST TIME, BUT ALSO WITH HIGHER DENSITY MEANS MORE ASPHALT AND PARKING LOTS, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN MAKE THIS MORE GREEN AND PRESERVE MORE TREES. SO, I THINK THAT IS AN AREA THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS, TO SEE REDUCING THE DENSITY, THAT MIGH ALSO REDUCE THE NEED FOR THAT PARKING VARIANCE. THE QUESTION I HAVE IS THE FENCE. YOU HAVE BROUGHT IT'S 25 FEET WITHIN THE PROPERTY LINE SO THAT IT IS BASICALLY A BOX. SO, WHAT IS TH REASON FOR BRINGING IT WITHIN THE PROPERTY LINE 25 FEET? AND THE ONLY REASON I'M ASKING IS BECAUSE I SEE A WHOLE BUNCH OF TREES AND I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS 20 PRESERVE THE TREES SO THAT IT IS BOTH LOOKING GREAT FROM THE NEIGHBORS, BUT ALSO FROM THE RESIDENCE PERSPECTIVES THAT

MIGHT LEAVE HERE TODAY . >> THIS SHOULD NOT IMPACT WHAT TREES ARE RETAINED VERSUS WHAT WE ARE TAKING AWAY. IT WOULD REMOVE THE FENCE -- IN A MEETING THAT WE HAD WITH THE

OWNER. >> SO, SHOW ME, THE TWO AREAS THAT I AM LOOKING AT, SHOW ME B THE POND WHERE THAT PROPERT LINE WOULD BE, VERSUS WHERE YOU ARE PUTTING THE FENCE?

>> I DON'T KNOW IF I CONSUMING ANY CLOSER TO THIS, RATHER. I DON'T SEE IT, THERE YOU GO. SO THE LONG DASH WITH ABOUT 'S IS, THAT REPRESENTS THE FENCE AND THE BRICK COLUMNS, THAT WOULD B 25 FOOT REMOVED FROM THE SHARED PROPERTY LINE WITHIN THE INTERVENING SPACE BETWEEN THE SHARED PROPERTY LINE AND THE FENCE THERE WOULD BE TREES THA ARE RETAINED , AND ADDITIONAL PLANTINGS IN THAT THEY WOULD NO BE ADDITIONAL PLANTINGS IN THE SPACE CLOSER TO THE POND , BECAUSE WE HAVE REQUIREMENTS THAT WOULD NOT ALLOW US TO GET INTO THAT SPACE FURTHER . BEFOR THE FENCE WAS LOCATED RIGHT ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE HERE, THEN JUTTED BACK. SO, IN ESSENCE WE ARE ADDING SPACE , I DON'T WANT TO PUT WORDS IN THE MOUTH, I ASSUME THEY FEEL LIKE IT IS MORE MEANINGFUL TO THEM T HAVE THE MORE LANDSCAPING VISIBLE TO THEM RATHER THAN THE FENCE, THAT IS THE OBSERVATION MAKING. I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR THEM .

>> I UNDERSTAND THAT FROM THEI PERSPECTIVE, THAT IS A GREAT VIEW FOR THEM. LOOKING AT IT FROM FUSER FUTURE RESIDENCE PERSPECTIVES , NOW THEY ARE GOING TO LOOK AT THIS, I'M NOT BIG FENCE FAN BUT I UNDERSTAND WHY WE ARE DOING IT HERE. BUT, LOOKING AT THE TALL CEDAR FENCE IS NOT VERY ATTRACTIVE FOR THE RESIDENTS WHO MIGHT LIVE HERE SOMEDAY. SO, I SEE A LOT OF LANDSCAPING ALONG THE EXTERIOR PERIMETER OF THE FENCE, I AM NO SEEING THAT SAME LEVEL ON THE INTERIOR OF THE FENCE. SO, IF THAT IS SOMETHING YOU CAN TALK ABOUT, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

>> THIS IS ALYSSA WITH CONTEXT DESIGN LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT ON THE PROJECT, SHE JUST INDICATED WHILE IT IS NOT VERY VISIBLE UNLESS YOU CAN SEE IT, IT IS KIND OF SHADED IN THE SPACE, AN THIS IS WHERE THEY ARE GOING TO PLANT A MIXTURE OF NATIVE HUNTING MATERIALS THAT WILL HEL OBSCURE THE TRANSITION FROM TH FENCE SO THERE IS NOT A STARK EDGE ON THE PORTION, IT INCLUDES NATIVE PLANTINGS IN FRONT OF IT. I MEAN TO THE SOUT OF IT , BETWEEN IT AND THE POND BUT, WE CAN BRING SOME MORE DETAIL TO THE COMMITTEE TO HEL WITH THAT AND SEE WHAT ADDITIONAL PLANTINGS WILL BE ABLE TO GO IN THE SPACE THAT WILL COMPLY WITH DRAINAGE STANDARDS , AND TO HELP SOFTEN

THAT FENCE YOU . >> THAT WOULD BE GREAT. THE LANDSCAPING PLAN, AND ALSO , YO KNOW, SOME OF THESE TREES ARE REALLY BEAUTIFUL AND I WANT EVERYBODY BE ABLE TO SEE IT, I DON'T WANT THE FENCE TO BLOCK THE VIEW. CAN YOU GIVE SOME THOUGHT ABOUT WHERE THE FENCE NEEDS TO BE. A SIMILAR COMMENT WITH THE POLLINATOR HABITAT, I THINK THAT IS GREAT, I AM GLAD IT IS NOT GOING TO BE PATCH GRASS, IT IS GOOD FOR THE ENVIRONMENT. I AM ASKING TO SE IF YOU CAN DO SOMETHING, SOME SORT OF PLAN WHERE IT WILL LOO GREAT ALL FOUR SEASONS OF THE YEAR . IS GREAT FOR WILDFLOWERS THAT'S WHAT I SAW THAT WAS BEING PLANNED. BUT IN THE FALL AND WINTER THAT WILL BE CUT

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LATER, THANK YOU. >> JOHN, I WILL TOUCH ON SOME OBSERVATIONS , AND SOME OF THE COMMENTS IN THE LETTERS THAT STRUCK ME. I THINK WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT ALONG THE SOUTH PROPERTY LINE THAT THERE MAY B SOME ADDITIONAL MATURE TREES THAT MIGHT BE PROTECTED, AND I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT JUDGE SCOTT AND YOUR TEAM WOULD BE REMARKING THAT. I THINK THE BI CONCEPT THROUGHOUT, BECAUSE NOW THE FENCE IS ALL THREE SIDES O THE PROJECT , IS THAT THE FENCE WAS REQUESTED BY A NUMBER OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS, BUT WHERE THAT FENCE COMES AT THE EXPENSE OF MATURE TREE REMOVAL , THERE IS THE RUB. SO I WON'T SPEAK FOR THE COMMITTEE , BUT I THINK AN ARGUMENT COULD BE MADE THAT THE FENCE NEEDN'T BE CONTINUOUS IF THERE ARE AREA WHERE FOREGOING DEFENSE MEANS THERE IS HIGHER VALUE IN PRESERVING SOME OF THE EXISTING MATURE TREES. IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO UNDERSTAND WHER THOSE OPPORTUNITIES, IF THEY

EXIST . >> OUR DESIRE WOULD BE TO TO B CONTINUOUS . IT IS ALSO OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT AFTER WORKING THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION , THAT WE CAN WORK WITH ERIN MENDHAM, THE URBAN FORESTER, AND IF WE FIND THAT WE FIGHT THINGS AND GO TO CONSTRUCTION THAT THERE IS A CERTAIN AREA OF TREES THAT WOULD BE DISRUPTED AND WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT, WE CAN MOVE TH FENCE BY A COUPLE OF FEET SO THERE IS LIKE A HORIZONTAL OFFSET IN THE FENCE ACROSS THAT LINE WHERE IT MIGHT BE 23 OR 27 EIGHT RATHER THAN 25 FEET EXACTLY SO THAT WE CAN AVOID CERTAIN STANDARDS OR INDIVIDUAL TREES ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE, BUT WE ARE NOT THERE YET.

>> OKAY. IDEALLY IT WOULD BE BETTER THAN A ZERO-SUM GAME BETWEEN MATURE TREES AND FENCING. EFFICACY SOME OF THE STRATEGY, WITH RESPECT TO WHERE HEIGHT VARIANCES ARE NECESSARY, THAT THE THREE-STORY BUILDINGS ARE ALL INTERIOR TO THE PROJECT , THE ONE THAT ARGUABLY IS ON THE PROPERTY LINE, OR THE TWO THAT ARE ARGUABLY ON THE PROPERTY LINE ARE ADJACENT TO COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, SO I APPRECIATE THE SENSTIVITY TO THE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL USES, WITH RESPECT TO THE TALLEST OF THE BUILDINGS. WE TALKED EARLIER ABOUT WHERE THOSE THREE-STORY BUILDINGS ARE LOCATED , BUT CONSIDERING THAT VARIANCE REQUEST IN THE CONTEXT OF HOW FAR INTERIOR THOSE BUILDINGS ARE , VERSUS WHERE A TWO STORY BUILDING CITED RIGHT AT THE OUTERMOST SETBACK LINE COULD BE , AND WHAT THE VIEW FROM THE ADJACENT HOMEOWNERS WOULD BE ON THE THREE-STORY BUILDING IS SET FURTHER IN FROM THE TWO-STORY BUILDING RIGHT AT THE PROPERTY LINE WOULD BE HELPFUL IN EVALUATING THAT VARIANCE REQUEST. ALTHOUGH THE ORDINANCE DOES NOT STIPULATE ANYTHING ABOUT CONVENIENCE OF PARKING , I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT HERE TO UNDERSTAND THAT MORE OR LESS, EVERY BUILDING IS ADEQUATELY PARKED , WHEN VIEWED INDIVIDUALLY. AND, SO, UNDERSTANDING , AND OF COURSE THE UNIT MAKEUP OF EACH OF THE BUILDINGS VARIES TO A DEGREE, ONE, TWO BEDROOM, THREE BEDROOM. THEY EACH HAVE UNIQUE PARKING NEEDS, MAY BE INDEPENDENT OF HOW MANY UNITS THEY ARE , WHICH IS HOW THE ORDINANCE READS , BUT UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE IS AMPLE PARKING , AND AMPLE CONVENIENT PARKING SO WE DON'T HAVE THE POOL PARKING AREA USED OVERNIGHT BY RESIDENCE BECAUSE ONE OF THE NEARBY BUILDINGS IS SHORT OF PARKING ON ITS OWN.

ANOTHER THOUGHT , I THINK THERE WAS MENTION OF ADDITIONAL PARALLEL PARKING . THERE ARE A NUMBER OF APARTMENT COMMUNITIES IN CARMEL WHERE PARKING ON THE STREET HAS WORKED WELL TOO. SO THAT COULD BE A SOLUTION THAT ALLOWS FOR INCREASED NUMBER OF SPACES PROVIDED. IN LOOKING AT AND I DON'T HAVE THE PAGE, WELL MAYBE I DO. THE CALCULATION OF THE NUMBER OF BIKE RACK OR BIK PARKING SPACES , I WAS NOT SURE IF THE CALCULATION HAD BEEN

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>> IT MAY BE WRONG, BUT RECALCULATE IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE. AND VERIFY THAT NUMBER PICKS WE WILL, AND AUDIT DATA NUMBER . IF THERE IS A CHANGE T THE NUMBER AND THERE IS A NEED TO MAKE A MODIFIED PLANT WE WIL HAVE THAT REVIEWED AND PRESENTE TO DAVID LITTLEJOHN , AND OBTAINED VERIFICATION THAT IT

MEETS THE NEEDS . >> TAB 12 HAS A HELPFUL COMPARISON CHART ABOUT DENSITY LOOKING AT ANOTHER OR NUMBER O MULTI- FAMILY COMMUNITIES. A COUPLE THAT ARE NOT ON THE LIST THAT I THINK WOULD BE FAIR COMPARISONS ARE THE SEASONS O WESTFIELD BOULEVARD AT 98TH ST., AND THE NEW NORTH AND COMMUNITY ON SMOKY ROW. THOSE TWO FEEL LIKE THEY ARE SIMILAR SUBURBAN GARDEN TYPE COMMUNITIES, AS OPPOSED TO A NUMBER OF THE COMMUNITIES IN TH CHART IS PREPARED THAT ARE MOR URBAN OR MORE DOWNTOWN AND MIDTOWN TYPE URBAN FEEL COMMUNITIES. SO, I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN SEEING HOW THEY PROVIDE BENCHMARKS FOR THE EDGE .

>> WILL ADD THOSE TO THE TABLE AND BRING THAT INFORMATION .

>> THANK YOU. AND LASTLY, I KNO NOTHING ABOUT HOW POLLINATOR GARDENS SUCCEED OR FAIL . BUT, I AM WONDERING ABOUT ANY VALUE THAT COULD B HAD FROM SWAPPING THE LOCATIONS OF THE DOG PARK AND THE POLLINATOR GARDEN , SO THE POLLINATOR GARDEN COULD BE LOCATED IN AN AREA CLOSER TO MORE MATURE TREES, IF THAT IS NOT ALL BENEFICIAL TO POLLINATOR ACTIVITY , AND THE BARK PARK IS THEN IN A NOISIER AREA CLOSER TO MICHIGAN ROAD , AND LESS DISRUPTIVE TO THE NEIGHBORS WHO LIVE LOOSEST TO

IT. >> WE WILL TAKE A LOOK AT BOTH OF THOSE, IN ADDITION TO THAT, THINK IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL IF WE WOULD COME UP WITH A PHOTOGRAPHIC EXAMPLE OF WHAT THAT MIGHT TURN OUT LOOKING LIKE, NOT AN ILLUSTRATION, BUT HERE ARE SOME OTHER SPACES THAT HAS BEEN IMPLEMENTED. AND WILL BE IN IDENTICAL, BUT HERE ARE SOME PHOTOGRAPHS OF OUR IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AND THEN YOU CAN HAVE A BETTER AT -- BETTER IDE OF WHAT THE PROPOSAL LOOKS LIKE IN THAT PHASE.

>> ADAM? DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? AND THE I WILL GO TO SUE. YOU MAY NEED TO UNMUTE IF YOU ARE SPEAKING.

GOOD . CONNECT OKAY, THANK YOU.'S YOU?

>> ALL OF MY QUESTIONS HAVE BEE ANSWERED, SOME WILL GO TO COMMITTEE. BUT, YOU HAVE THE POOL AS AN AMENITY. IS THERE A CLUBHOUSE OR ANYTHING? HOW DO YOU SIZE THE POOL? I KNOW IN OTHER PLACES WE HAVE DONE THIS POOLS THAT ARE A POSTAGE STAMP COMPARED TO THE NUMBER OF PEOPL THERE. CAN WE HAVE MORE

INFORMATION ON THAT? >> THE CLUBHOUSE IS ATTACHED TO THE ADJACENT BUILDING , TO THE EAST OF WHERE THE POOL IS LOCATED AND WE WILL GET TO SPECIFIC NUMBERS ON THE SIZE OF

THE POOL . >> IN THE CLUBHOUSE?

>> IN THE CLUBHOUSE FACILITY. A A FITNESS CENTER AND OTHER AMENITIES THAT ARE PART OF THAT AS WELL. WHILE IT MAY BE IDENTIFIED ON THE FLOOR PLANS , WE WILL EXTRACT IT OUT AND MAKE IT EASIER TO FIND AND UNDERSTAN .

>> OKAY, I THINK A BETTER UNDERSTANDING WOULD BE GREAT. I LIKE BRAD IDEA BECAUSE ONE OF M QUESTIONS ON THE DOG PARK IS WHO LIVES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT? I THINK THAT IT IS GREAT TO WITH IT FOR A HOST OF REASONS. IT IS CLOSER, AND THAT IS GREAT, THAT IS A CONCERN OF MINE. ARE ANY OF THESE UNITS SET UP TO BE FOR LOW INCOME OR SPECIAL NEEDS OR ANYTHING OF

THAT NATURE? >> THERE'S NO INCOME RESERVATIO NUMBER OF THE UNITS ARE MORE INTENSELY DEFINED AS HANDICAP

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ACCESSIBLE . >> THEY WILL? OKAY, I WOULD LIK TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF WE CAN DO SOME MORE OF THAT, THAT WOULD B SUPER IF YOU COULD. AND WHILE I AM ON THAT, I THINK THE BUILDIN , THE THREE-STORY BUILDING TO THE NORTH NEEDS TO GO TO TWO. THAT WOULD REDUCE ENTITY ANYWAY, BECAUSE IT DOES AFFEC THE PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH, WHETHER YOU SHOW IT OR NOT, I CAN FULLY UNDERSTAND HOW THEY COULD SEE THAT. SO, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE, AND I HAVE TO CONFIRM, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A ACCESS OUT OF THE DEVELOPMENT T

THE SOUTH? TO THE WEST . >> WHEN AND IF THE OWNER TO TH SOUTH IS EITHER REQUIRED TO, OR DECIDES TO CONNECT.

>> I HEARD YOU SAY THAT ON ALL THREE, BUT IT LOOKED ON THE DRAWING TO ME LIKE IT WAS AROUND WHEN WE DID THIS, THE - FIRE DEPARTMENT EXPRESSED CONCERN WITH ONLY HAVING THE ONE ACCESS ON MICHIGAN ROAD. AND THAT HAS NOT CHANGED .

>> BUT, WE HAVE BEEN THROUGH TH REVIEW PROCESS, I DON'T RECALL THAT AS A COMMENT FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, BUT I CAN CIRCLE BACK WITH THEM TO SEE IF THEY HAVE A CONCERN REGARDING MULTIPLE POINTS OF ACCESS INTO THE SITE .

>> PLEASE DO PICKS THERE HAVE BEEN ISSUES IN THE PAST WITH REGARD TO LIKE IN FRONT OF WHER HOME DEPOT IS, THE ACCESS DRIV WAS NOT CONSTRUCTED IN A MANNER THAT WAS MOST CONDUCIVE TO BEIN CONNECTED AND I WILL LEAVE IT A THAT. WE ARE BEING REQUIRED TO CLOSE THE DOOR AND MAKE SURE WE ARE HAVE AN ALLOWANCE FOR FUTURE CONNECTIVITY. WHEN IT WA DEVELOPED TO THE SOUTH, THAT COMMISSIONER WAS NOT MADE, OR THAT CONDITION WAS NOT REQUIRED THAT THEY ACCOMMODATE THE CONNECTION, THERE WAS ACTUALLY EXHIBITS THAT SHOW THE CONNECTION ON THOSE PLANS, BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT OBLIGATED TO INSTALL THOSE. SO, WHEN AND IF THEY ARE BACK IN FRONT OF TH PLANNING COMMISSION FOR CONSIDERATION, THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT COMES UP , BUT THIS PROPOSAL INCLUDES THOSE THINGS THAT WOULD ACCOMMODATE

FUTURE ASKS . >> OKAY. THE POND , AND AMENITIES THERE, AND FOR PATH, AND YOU HAVE CHANGED FROM THE PREVIOUS PETITION THAT CAME IN WHAT AMENITY? YOU HAVE A.PARK AND A POOL AND A CLUBHOUSE, WHA IS AROUND THE POND? WHAT IS AVAILABLE FOR INTERIOR WALKING?

>> THERE ARE PLANS FOR BENCHES THAT IS IT RIGHT NOW, WE WOULD BE OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS ABOUT WHAT ELSE . MCGETTIGAN THE OLD ONE THAT TALKED ABOUT, I'M NOT SEEING THIS AS FEASIBLE , TO HAVE A PEER, A LITTLE WALKOUT. I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS FEASIBLE TO DO FISHING, THERE ARE GOING TO BE KIDS IN THIS APARTMENT COMPLEX. HANDED HIS COMMERCIAL ALL AROUND , WHICH REMINDS ME.

IS THE COMMERCIAL LOT COMING BACK FOR ELLIOTT? WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT IT TONIGHT, I WAN TO CLARIFY THAT PICKS RIGHT. I THEY HAVE A DESIGN FOR THAT, THEY HAVE TO COME BACK FOR THE PLS FOR THAT PARCEL , BUT YOU WOULD BE LOOKING AT SOME OF THE USES THAT COULD BE THERE AS WEL TONIGHT.

>> OKAY, THAT WAS ONE OF MY NOTES IN THE COMMITTEE, I HOPE WE CAN LOOK AT THE USES . YOU DID LIST THE AMOUNT, I WOULD LIKE TO REVIEW THEM IN COMMITTE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE CONSIDERED EVERYTHING GOING IN, I KNOW THINGS I HAVE QUESTIONS ON. DO ALL UNITS HAVE BALCONIES?

>> YES. EITHER THAT OR A PORCH ON THE FIRST FLOOR .

>> OKAY. I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU, IF YOU CAN'T, I KNOW YOU SAID YOU HAD A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING ON AUGUST 2, WAS A VERY WELL

ATTENDED? >> I THINK THERE WERE

APPROXIMATELY 15 PEOPLE . >> SO, AS YOU MAKE CHANGES HE SAID HE WOULD HAVE ANOTHER ONE AND I WOULD LIKE TO CONFIRM THA YOU DO AS THE PROCESS GOES THROUGH.

>> I THINK THAT IS ALL I HAVE RIGHT NOW, I WILL HAVE MORE AT

COMMITTEE, THANK YOU. >> OKAY, THANK YOU . I DON'T KNOW WHERE TO START. I PROBABLY CAN DIG INTO THE PACKET, BUT WHAT WAS AN DOT'S STANCE ABOUT THE CONNECTION LIKE A ROUNDABOUT OR SOMETHING , SOME KIND OF EXCHANGE TO GET ON AND

OFF OF MICHIGAN ROAD? >>

>> A SIGNAL IS AUTHORIZED AT THAT LOCATION. THAT IS THE SHOR

ANSWER . >> THAT'S , I VAGUELY REMEMBER THAT, I JUST WAS NOT SURE, SO THANK YOU. IF WE CAN GET INTO

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>> SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN I SPEAK ABOUT COMMITMENTS ON THE PROPERTY FROM LIKE 1988 , MY PERSONAL OPINION TENDS TO BE LIKE THINGS CHANGE. SO, WE HAV TO LOOK AT THINGS WITH A FRESH SET OF EYES . I MIGHT EVEN GO S FAR TO SAY NUMBER TWO, AS IT APPLIES TO MINIMUM LOT AREA, AN NUMBER FOUR AS IT APPLIES TO MAXIMUM LOT COVERAGE , WHICH MIGHT BE CONFLICTING IDEAS, BUT I AM OKAY WITH THESE THINGS. I CAN , I'M GOING TO BE TRUE TO MYSELF , THESE OTHER COMMENTS YOU WOULD HEAR FROM ME PRETTY ROUTINELY. BUT, THE REST OF TH ITEMS , I AM JUST HAVING A REALLY HARD TIME GETTING BEHIND . AND, YOU KNOW, IF YOU CAN THROW ME A BONE ON THINGS LIKE HEIGHT OR SETBACK , MAYBE I COULD BE OKAY WITH THE BUILDIN FACADE OFFSET TYPE OF THING .

TRYING TO GIVE YOU A PLAYBOOK, BUT IS GETTING THE CONCEPT OF WHERE A MAP. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE PETITIONER? DISCUSSION, IDEAS, THOUGHTS ? FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE COMMITTEE?

>> WILL, OBVIOUSLY REDUCING DENSITY , I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT IT WOULD REDUCE THE PARKIN PROBLEM THAT YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW. SO, I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE A HARD LOOK AT THAT, A LOT OF TIMES YOU ARE ABLE TO COME BACK AND MAKE SOME GREAT CHANGES BU WE DON'T HAVE A DENSITY, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE SO MANY VARIANCES PACKET WAS DISAPPOINTING TO SEE THE SAME VARIANCES COME BACK THIS TIME , WHEN I COMPARE THEM TO THE LAST TIME, AND I HAD HOPED SOME THINGS WOULD HAVE BEEN TAKING CARE OF. SO, IF YOU CAN DO SOMETHING THAT THAT WOULD BE

GREAT. >> CHECK?

>> I MEAN THAT WE SEND THE SIT INTO THE RESIDENTIAL COMMITTEE WITHIN THE OFTEN COMING BACK TO THE PLAYING COMMISSION FOR THE FULL LOAD? IT'S BEEN A SECOND I TAKES THINK YOU BOTH. THERE IS NO DISCUSSION, ALL IN FAVOR OF EMOTIONS TO SEND THIS TO THE RESIDENTIAL COMMITTEE FOR FURTHER WORK , AND FINAL AUTHORITY RESERVED TO THE FULL COMMISSION? SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY, SEPTEMBER 5, RESIDENTIAL COMMITTEE , CAUCUS ROOMS TO YOU LEFT .

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>> AYE . >> RECORD, THOSE OF US NOT PRESENT DO NOT GET TO VOTE. GREAT. JOH AND TEAM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE ONE OTHER ITEM , A PAIR OF PETITIONS RELATED TO THIS ITEM TONIGHT , THEY ARE DOCKETS NUMBERED PZ-2023-00 110 DP AMEND A DL AMEND FOR ROSIE'S GARDENS OF BUSINESS EXPANSION. AND DOCKET PZ-2023-00 155 THE PLATTE VACATION FOR A PORTION, 18 LOTS OF HARRY BOWSER'S NORTHRIDGE EDITION. I HOPE AREAS NOT HERE TONIGHT . THE APPLICANT SEEKS SITE PLAN AND DESIGN APPROVAL T REMODEL AND EXPAND THE CURRENT BUSINESS. PLOT VACATION OF 18 LOTS IN HARRY BOWSER'S NORTHRIDGE EDITION IS NEEDED FOR THE EXPANSION TO A CURE. TH SITE IS LOCATED AT COLLEGE AVENUE, THIS IS ZONED B-3 BUSINESS AND IS IN THE HOMEPLACE BUSINESS OVERLAY DISTRICT FILED BY ERICA CARTER ON BEHALF OF LAWRENCE HUGHES, OWNER. COUNSELOR?

>> AGAIN, YOU HAVE UP TO 15 MINUTES TO TELL US ABOUT THIS PETITION. IT'S BEEN A GOOD EVENING, FOR THE RECORD I AM - WITH OFFICES AT NOBLESVILLE, HERE TONIGHT ON BEHALF OF OUR CLIENT KEVIN HUGHES WHO IS PLEASANT -- PRESENT IN THE AUDIENCE WHO ARE ALL PART OWNERS OF ROSIE'S GARDENS AT 10 02 WHO ARE ALL PART OWNERS OF ROSIE'S GARDENS AT 10402 NORTH COLLEGE AVE., ALSO WITH US HIS DESIGN ENGINEER ERICA CARTER OF WEIHE ENGINEERS. ROSIE'S IS -- SINCE 1982 , EARLIER THIS YEAR WE WERE SEEKING THE -- FOR SOM PARCELS THAT HAD BEEN USED COMMERCIALLY FOR SOME TIME . SO THAT APPROVAL ALLOWED US TO CLEAN THINGS UP A LITTLE BIT A LEAST FROM A ZONING PERSPECTIVE WHERE WE ARE HERE WITH TWO REQUEST, ONE WITH THE THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL, THE OTHER IS THE PLATTE VACATION I FAVOR OF RECOMMENDATION ON THA PETITION THAT WILL ULTIMATELY BE BE DETERMINED BY THE CARME CITY COUNCIL , WE WILL DISCUSS THIS BRIEFLY SEPARATELY, WEIHE ENGINEERS HAVE BEEN WORKING DILIGENTLY WITH THE ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF ON DEVELOPMENT PLANS, THE SHORT STORY IS THAT ROSIE'S IS EXPANDING , THESE PLANS ARE AN EFFORT TO EXPRESS THE NEEDS OF THEIR CUSTOMER BASE , IF YOU BEEN A CUSTOMER YOU KNOW PARKIN IS TIGHT AT TIMES , THE RETAIL STORE IS A LITTLE CONSTRICTING AS WELL, TH PROPOSAL CONSISTS OF A REPLACEMENT OF THE EXISTIN STORE WITH A NEW BUILDING CONSTRUCTING TWO NEW STORAGE BUILDINGS , AND A NEW PARKING LOT. DRAINAGE PROVISIONS HAVE BEEN SOMEWHAT D HOC OVER THE YEARS, SO WE HAVE A FORMAL DRAINAGE DESIGN COMPLETE WITH DRY DETENTION POND WITH THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY. REGARDING THE PLATTE VACATION, THESE ARE SIMPLY PARCELS THAT HAVE BEEN ACQUIRE BY THE HUGHES FAMILIES , THESE ARE ROADS -- THIS IS A SHORT STRETCH THAT IS PLOTTED AS BROADWAY AVENUE THAT WILL BE PART OF THE VACATION REQUEST. BUT AGAIN, THE IMPROVED ROAD STOPS SHORT OF THAT. FINALLY, ONCE THE VACATION HAS BEEN ACCOMPLISHED WE ARE PROPOSING T BIND ALL OF THE PARCELS TO COMPRISE ROSIE'S GARDENS INTO ONE TAX PARCEL . SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AGAIN, THAT IS JUST TO CLEAN THINGS UP SO WE DON'T GET ANY BUILDING SET BACK ISSUES . WE APPRECIATE THE SUPPORT THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED THUS FAR FROM THE PLAN COMMISSION AND THE CITY OF CARMEL IN GENERAL. A LOT OF DETAIL HERE ON THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, BUT I THINK I IS ALL PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.

AM GOING TO STOP HERE AND LET YOU ASK QUESTIONS TO MYSELF OR OUR TEAM IF YOU HAVE ANY ANSWER CLEAR.

>> THANK YOU . THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK EITHER IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO THESE TWO POSITIONS? ALL RIGHT, CNN WE GO TO THE DEPARTMENT REPORT RACHEL KIESLING, WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY SERVICES. ROSIE'S CAME TO US BACK IN DECEMBER WITH THEIR REZONE , TO GET THE LAND TO ONE CONSISTENT ZONING

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LASTLY, THERE ARE TWO EXISTING USES THAT THE VARIANCES IN ORDER TO BE OFFICIALLY LEGAL . THESE ARE FOR THE PARKING IN TH FRONT YARD , AND FOR THE OUTDOO STORAGE. THERE WAS A LITTLE BACK-AND-FORTH ON OUTDOOR STORAGE VERSUS OUTDOOR DISPLAY, WE HAVE THOSE TWO CATEGORIES IN THE YU-GI-OH, BUT ASK OUTDOOR DISPLACEMENT FOR TEMPORARY, THINGS LESS THAN 12 HOURS THAT ARE OUTSIDE , THEN OUTDOOR STORAGE IS MEANT FOR LONG-TERM PIXEL, THAT IS WHAT THEY HAVE HERE, OUTDOOR STORAGE . SO, BOT OF THOSE THINGS, PARKING IN THE FRONT YARD, AND OUTDOOR STORAGE ARE PROHIBITED IN THE OVERLAY, THE HOMEPLACE OVERLAY . HOWEVER THEY HAVE BEEN OCCURRING FOR MANY YEARS IN NONCOMPLIANCE AN WE TALKED ABOUT MAKING THAT LEGAL BACK WHEN WE DID THE REZONE, THAT WE WOULD NEED TO OFFICIALLY EXPORT THOSE VARIANCES. SO, THEY NEED TO AS FOR THOSE VARIANCES IN FRONT OF THE BZA , THAT IS PART OF THE PLAN TO MAKE IT ALL WORK. LET' SEE WHAT ELSE. SO, GENERALLY W ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL TONIGHT , WE DON'T REALLY HAVE LOT OF THINGS TO WORK THROUGH, OTHER THAN A FEW CLARIFYING QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE MENTIONED . THEY WILL BE APPLYING FOR THE VARIANCES AND WE ASK THAT THEY FINALIZE THE REVIEW PROCESS THROUGH PROJECT DOCS WITH US , AND GIVE US CLARIFICATION ON TH RIGHT-OF-WAY IF THEY TONIGHT, THAT WOULD BE GREAT . AND THEN YOU WOULD NEED TO SUSPEND YOUR RULES AND PROCEDURE TONIGHT IN ORDER TO VOTE TO APPROVE THIS.

ALSO KNOWING THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO BEFORE THE BTW , AND THE CITY COUNCIL FOR THE STREET VACATION . THANK YOU. HERE FO

ANY QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU, RACHEL.

DISCUSSION? SUE? >> I HAVE A QUESTION ON PARKING . HAVING JUST BEEN THERE THIS WEEK, I WAS REMINDED THAT NO PARKING CAN BE SKETCHY, JUST BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH OF IT. HAVE GOT THE WHOLE TRAIL. YOU CAN PARK ON THE TRAIL, THE RIGHT, KEVIN IS GO IT'S OKAY TO PARK ON THE TRAIL.

>> I DID NOT SEE THAT. NO, KEVIN SAYS YOU CAN'T PARK THERE . BUT THAT WAS NOT IN THE DEPARTMENT REPORT. MY QUESTION

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>> 79 NOW? THAT IS WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING. I STARTED COUNTING WHAT THEY HAD , BUT I WAS HAVIN TROUBLE. KEVIN, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA? IS IT GOING TO BE DOUBLE I'M LOOKING FOR A CONCEPT. LAUGHTER ] OKAY. THAT'S CONVENIENT. IS WHEN YOU KNOW YOU NEED IT. YEAH. I MEAN I HAVE LEFT BEFORE , IT'S JUST TH NATURE OF A GOOD BUSINESS. BUT YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SUR THERE'S GOING TO BE ONE ENTRY IN, WHY NOT A COUPLE OF AND INROADS AND ROOM TO BACKUP ? OKAY.

>> SO, KEVIN, FOR ANYONE WHO WA WATCHING FROM HOME SO WE GET IT RECORDED FOR THE TRANSCRIPT, I NEED YOU TO COME UP TO THE MICRO, PLEASE.

IS A GOOD EVENING, MY NAME IS KEVIN HUGHES . I OWN ROSIE'S .

SO, WHICH QUESTION IS FIRST? >> I WAS JUST ASKING ABOUT PARKING, YOU SAID THERE WERE TW ENTRANCES? SO, JUST GIVE US A HIGH-LEVEL OVERVIEW OF WHAT IS GOING TO BE DIFFERENT.

>> ALL RIGHT, HERE IS THE NEW MAIN ENTRANCE . THIS IS GOING T BE THE REASON FOR THIS. IT IS TO ACCOMMODATE SEMI TRUCKS THAT COME BACK INTO HERE AND G BACK OUT THIS IS GOING TO BE AN UNLOADING AREA. AT PRESENT , THE UNLOAD IS OVER HERE. AND W JUST NEED TO ACCOMMODATE THEM BETTER THAN WHAT WE HAVE GOT NOW. WE DO HAVE SOME OVERFLOW PARKING HERE , I BELIEVE MAYBE 18 SPACES HERE THAT WILL REMAI . LET'S SEE. THEN WE DO HAVE ACCESS THAT EXISTS , AND ACCES ROAD THAT EXISTS TO THESE PARKING SPACES , AND PARKING SPACES OVER THERE. SO, DOES

THAT HELP? >> YOU ARE DOING GREAT SO FAR.

CAN YOU ALSO HELP ME , JEREMY I GOING TO GIVE YOU A MEDIAN BREAK, AND YOU KNOW WHERE THAT IS IN RELATIONSHIP?

>> JEREMY CASHMAN, THE CITY ENGINEER, HE HAS CONSIDERED OR IS LOOKING AT THE MEDIAN BREAK HERE. DO YOU KNOW HOW THAT LINE

UP ? >> WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A BREA AROUND HERE PICKS YOU KNOW IF THAT IS WHERE HE HAS CONVERTED?

>> OKAY. I THINK WE SHOULD TALK TO DAVE ABOUT THAT , DAVE IS OU

FASTEST . >> I EMAILED QUITE A FEW TIMES

EARLIER . >> YEAH, I THINK THERE IS A LO OF UP IN THE AIR , BUT I THINK WE ARE GETTING CLOSER TO THAT.

SO, ALL WILL ALSO CONTACT DAV AND JEREMY, I WANT TO MAKE SURE

IT WORKS WITH EVERYTHING . >> THANK YOU FOR THAT. I THINK

WE REALLY NEED IT . >> WERE YOU ANTICIPATING MOST PEOPLE COMING IN THE SEMI-ROUTE MY GUESS.

>> THEY CAN FILTER INTO HERE , THAT WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE THE FRONT OF THE NEW STORE. THIS SECTION HERE IS A 50 X 50 GREENHOUSE FOR INDOOR PLANTS , ET CETERA .

>> WHERE IS YOUR STORE RIGHT NOW? THE MAIN BUILDING , IN

REFERENCE? >> WHERE IT IS PROPOSED?

>> OKAY. >> I'M SORRY, THAT IS LIKE THE LITTLE HOUSE THAT HAS STEPS UP TO IT?

>> NO, THAT IS OUR OFFICE. IT IS RIGHT HERE. AND IT IS GOING TO BE TAKEN DOWN HERE BEFORE LONG. IT WILL BE PARKING. THI IS THE GREENHOUSE THAT WILL REMAIN , AND CONCRETE BACK IN HERE , AND SHRUBBERY, ET CETERA BUT THIS , THIS AREA HERE IS

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>> WHAT IS TO THE SOUTH OF THAT MAIN DRIVE? I THINK IT'S AS LO

34? WHAT IS GOING TO BE THERE? >> RIGHT?

>> NO. IS THE DETENTION AREA .

>> OKAY. IT EATS UP QUITE A BI .

>> I WAS ONLY ASKING BECAUSE I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THERE WERE NOT HOMES IN THAT GENERAL AREA WITH HOMES WAS SEMI'S COMING I

AND OUT . OKAY . >> NO, JUST QUITE A BIT OF ROOM FROM THE FIRST TIME TO THAT AREA .

>> IN MY EXPERIENCE, THE NEIGHBORS TO THE SOUTH OF THESE PROPERTIES ARE IN LOVE WITH KEVIN SPEAK VERY HIGHLY OF HIM, I DON'T KNOW IF HE HAS TAKEN THEM PIES OR WHAT . MAKINO, I WOULDN'T BE DOING MY JOB IF I

DIDN'T . >> YOU ASK GOOD QUESTIONS BUT THEY SEEM TO BE ON BOARD WITH WHAT IS GOING ON BECAUSE I'VE

SPOKEN WITH THEM BEFORE. >> I THINK I ASKED YOU THIS THE LAST TIME, BUT TO PUT THESE QUESTIONS IN PERSPECTIVE, IT MA BE HELPFUL IF YOU PUT THE OTHE ONE, THE DARK ONE BACK UP .

YOU, EVERYTHING YOU JUST OUTLINED SHE WAS REALLY QUICK ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE WHERE THA IS.

>> WELL, TO THE RIGHT. SO, AS W ARE LOOKING AT, COLLEGE AVENUE

IS RIGHT THERE . >> RED, HERE IS COLLEGE AVENUE, THEN WHERE IS AND WHERE IS ROCCO? THAT IS MY POINT OF

REFERENCE. >> OKAY, IT'S RIGHT THERE, ISN' IT? ISN'T THAT? OKAY, SO THOSE ARE EXISTING HOMES IN THEIR , I AM VERY FAMILIAR WITH ONE OF THEM.

>> THAT IS AN EXISTING HOME . WELL, THIS IS AN EMPTY HOME. I DON'T KNOW IT'S STATUS, IT'S BEEN EMPTY FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS NO PICKS THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING. SO, ALL OF THE THINGS THAT YOU JUST DID IT ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE , JUST TO

SHOW US THE SEMI-ROUTE AGAIN. >> KEVIN, COULD YOU MAYBE GRAB THE OTHER SHEET AND PUT IT NEX TO IT? AND HOW CAN YOU ZOOM OU AS MUCH AS WE CAN SO WE CAN TRY TO . THAT IS GREAT, THANK YOU

SO MUCH. >> THAT IS OKAY. THAT IS GOING TO GO WHERE , THAT'S MY QUESTION.

>> OKAY, I CAN KIND OF MOVE IT. IT'S ABOUT LIKE THAT.

>> IS, BUT THIS IS A SMALLER SCALE.

>> SO, THE DETENTION POND IS OVER HERE .

>> OKAY . >> THE ENTRANCE IS GOING TO BE

ABOUT RIGHT HERE . >> AND THEN WHERE YOU WENT AROUND LIKE THAT AND SAID THIS IS HOW A SEMI CAN COME IN AND

OUT? >> SO, RIGHT HERE , THESE ARE SEMI'S AND CARS THAT COME IN HERE , WE CAN TURN AROUND HERE

. >> OKAY. I THINK THAT BETTER ILLUSTRATES EVERYTHING YOU ARE JUST EXPLAINING IN RELATIONSHI TO WHERE EVERYTHING ELSE AROUN THERE IS. THANK YOU . I THINK THAT WAS HELPFUL TO ANYBODY WHO MIGHT BE WATCHING AND WONDERIN

EXACTLY WHERE THAT WAS. >> MR. PRES.?

>> I'M SORRY KEVIN, I HEARD TH STAFF COMMENTS ABOUT DEDICATIN THE RIGHT-OF-WA ALONG THE FRONTAGE FOR IMPROVEMENTS ON COLLEGE. IS THAT A COMMITMENT YOU ARE WILLING TO MAKE IT?

>> WILL, THIS IS THE FIRST WE HAVE HEARD ABOUT IT. SO, I DON' KNOW . WHERE IS IT? 20 FEET FURTHER? THAN WHAT EXISTS? SO FOR INSTANCE . THE RIGHT-OF-WAY AS IT EXISTS IS ABOUT HERE .

WHERE THE ELECTRICAL POLES ARE ARE YOU ASKING FOR ANOTHER 20

FEET FROM THIS POINT BACK? >> IS, THAT IS CORRECT. AND AS IT GOES UP, IT IS GENERALLY ON THE BACK END OF THE CURVE, IT

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>> WILL, I THOUGHT YOU ALREADY HAD IT.

ALONG THAT LINE . >> RIGHT HERE? YEAH .

>> FROM THE CENTER PICKS THIS IS THE CENTER OF COLLEGE? I THOUGHT YOU ALREADY HAD IT --

-- -- >> IT IS 24 FEET BEYOND THAT , THAT MAY AFFECT PARKING AND THE SETBACK ISSUES . BUT I GUESS TO THE EXTENT WE GET A COMMITMENT IF IT IS NOT ALREADY DEDICATED OR EXISTING, YOU GET THE RIGHT-OF-WAY DEDICATION TO, I AM ASSUMING FOR THE CITY TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS, THAT WOULD B

IDEAL . >> TO WE HAVE A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION ON THAT SINCE I'M WORKING ON THE PROJECT AS WELL.

YOU ARE EXACTLY RIGHT. I THINK A LOAD OF IT HAS ALREADY BEEN DEDICATED FOR SOME PARCELS I DON'T HAVE IT , I CAN SEND AN EXHIBIT OF EXACTLY WHAT WE WILL NEED SHORTLY. BECAUSE THAT PROJECT IS GOING AT THE END OF THIS YEAR, BEGINNING OF NEXT YEAR . IT IS NOT THE ENTIRETY O THE PARCEL . SO, IT IS JUST AS

NEEDED. >> SO, AS I AM LOOKING AT THE GIS , IT LOOKS LIKE THE PARCEL TO THE NORTH ARE ALREADY SETBACK, BUT THE PARCELS TO THE SOUTH ARE NOT SETBACK. YEAH, YOU SEE WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT YEAH. YEAH, THAT APPEARS TO BE THE SETBACK, RIGHT? MAYBE ALON THERE. YOU KNOW, IT IS TOUGH TO TELL. BUT, I AM SURE WE HAVE IT ON A BEAUTIFUL PRINT RIGHT

THERE THAT THEY CAN POINT AT. >> THIS IS THE CONDITIONS MAP HERE. THIS HAS BEEN DEDICATED HERE.

>> I AM GOING TO GO ON A LIMB AND SAY KEVIN, YOU ARE WILLING TO WORK WITH THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT AND RESOLVE THE

MATTER? >> JUST SO WE ARE ON THE SAME PAGE. CONSISTENT DEDICATION, THE PROPERTY LINE WE SEE TO THE SOUTH EXTENDED TO THE NORTH, I THAT WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT

MORE OR LESS? >> I WOULD DEFER TO THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT AND THE CITY ENGINEER. AND I WOULD TRUST THAT THEY CAN WORK IT OUT WITH MR. HUGHES WHO HAS ALWAYS PROVE

TO BE AMENABLE. >> THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE GOT, WITH REGARDS TO THE OTHER RIGHT-OF-WAY , OF VACATION, I DON'T KNOW, IF THERE IS A PUBLIC HEARING NOTIFICATION, AN PUSHBACK OR FEEDBACK FROM UTILITIES OR THE PUBLIC FROM THE VACATION RIGHT-OF-WAY? NO FEEDBACK THERE?

>> WE HAVE RECEIVED NONE. >> OKAY .

>> I'M NOT SURE OF UTILITIES CURRENTLY OCCUPYING. THIS IS KIND OF AN OUTLIER. I THINK IT IS RIGHT HERE , BUT IT HAS BEEN PART OF THE EXISTING TAX MARGINS FOR YEARS , AND I'M SUR WE CAN GET THE RECORD STRAIGHT ON THAT PICKS. ENOUGH.

>> MR. PRES.? I MOVE TO SUSPEN THE RULES OF PROCEDURES" ON THI

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THIS EVENING . MEXICAN. >> IT HAS BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED THAT WE WOULD SUSPEND THE RULES OF PROCEDURE THAT REQUIRED A SPEC FOR FURTHER ACTION, SO WE CAN TAKE ACTION O IT TONIGHT, THE MOTION REQUIRE A SUPER MAJORITY, SO IF THERE I NO OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION , ALL IN FAVOR OF SUSPENDING THE RULES SAY REI - AYE. ANY POST? OKAY, WE HAVE A SUPER MAJORITY SO THE RULES ARE SUSPENDED. CHRISTINE?

>> THANK YOU ALL. >> OKAY, I WILL MAKE A MOTION T APPROVE THE DOCKET THIS EVENIN , PENDING THAT HE WILL WORK WIT THE CITY STAFF ON THE RIGHT-OF-WAY, AND PROJECTS DOCS , AND CONTINUE TO WORK HERE WITH SIGNAGE PICKS SECOND. SPE AND, IF I MAY , THE DEPARTMENT OF SATISFACTION WITH THE LIGHTING AT THE PROPERTY LINE , AND THE DEPARTMENT APPROVAL OF

ALL LIGHTING FIXTURES? >> YES, ALL OF THAT.

] >> VERY GOOD. ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION SAY AYE. ANY POST? NOW YOU GOT IT, KEVIN.

LAUGHTER ] >> WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YO

NEXT TIME. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, WE LOOK FORWARD TO THE GRAND REOPENING. ALL RIGHT. IF THERE IS NO OTHE BUSINESS FOR THE PLAN COMMISSIO THIS EVENING,

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.