[Budget Workshop on September 21, 2023.]
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          >> MORNING WE ARE CALLING TO ORDER 2024 BUDGET WORKSHOP FOR THE CITY OF CARMEL. WE HAVE A QUORUM AND WE ALSO HAVE TWO MEMBERS THAT WILL BE ATTENDING THE WORKSHOP VIA REMOTELY. THEY WERE THERE. 
          I WILL ASK YOU TO PLEASE SPEAK UP IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. 
          THE PURPOSE OF TODAY 8 - NOON AND THEN WE WILL DO THE SECOND HALF TOMORROW, 8:00 O'CLOCK TO NOON IS TO GIVE EVERY DEPARTMENT THE CHANCE TO REVIEW THEIR BUDGET SO ALL WERE LOOKING AT TODAY IS THE SPENDING SIDE. AS PROCEDURE AS WE'VE DONE FOR MANY YEARS ALL DEPARTMENTS HAVE BEEN DIVIDED UP INTO TEAMS OF TWO AND REVIEWED BY THE CITY COUNCIL IN SEPARATE MEETINGS SO THOSE COUNSELORS, WHATEVER DEPARTMENT YOU REVIEWED IF THERE IS AN ISSUE OR AN ITEM THAT YOU WANT TO DRAW ATTENTION TO, NOW IS THE TIME TO DO IT. OTHERWISE WE WILL RELY ON THE DEPARTMENT HAD TO PRESENT THE BUDGET AND I WOULD ASK YOU TO PRESENT THE CHANGES AS TOP OF MIND AND IF THERE IS ANYTHING SPECIFICALLY THAT WE NEED TO GET INTO. 
          THE BUDGET AS FAR AS ON THE REVENUE SIDE OR THE TOTAL BUDGET WILL BE PRESENTED BY THE MAYOR AND OCTOBER AND I WOULD NOTE TO THE COUNCIL THAT WE HAVE A DATE CHANGE SO INSTEAD OF THE FIRST MEETING IN OCTOBER THAT WILL NOT BE ON MONDAY THE SECOND BECAUSE THERE IS ANOTHER EVENT THAT NIGHT THAT IS SIGNIFICANT. 
          IT'LL BE ON WEDNESDAY OF THAT WEEK. 
          THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT DATE CHANGE AND HOW WE NOTICE THAT YET. I THINK WE SHOULD NOTICE THE EARLY IF WE HAVE NOT BECAUSE I'M GETTING QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT WHEN PEOPLE REALIZE WHAT'S HAPPENING ON MONDAY NIGHT. 
          ALRIGHT ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROCEDURE AND WHAT OUR MISSION IS TODAY? IF NOT I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD. 
          MAYOR DEVENEY OPENING COMMENTS. >> I HAVE BRIEFLY. 
          THE BUDGET IS FAIRLY SIMILAR/YEAR WITH INFLATIONARY COSTS OF LIVING WILL WITHIN TO INQUIRE PRESENT THAT WE SETTLE 13% AND IF IT'S OUTSIDE OF THE RANGE WHICH IT WAS LAST YEAR END WE GO BACK TO THE NEGOTIATING TABLE. 
          SO A YEAR AGO WE AGREED FOR A ONE-TIME PAYMENT OVER AND ABOVE THE NORMAL 3% AND THAT'S ONLY TIME IN MY MEMORY WHEN I REMEMBER OUTSIDE OF THE 2 - 5% WHICH WE DEFAULT AT THREE. 
          THIS YEAR THE MEASUREMENT THAT WE USE FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF LABOR WAS WITHIN THE TWO-POINT SOMETHING, 2.8 I BELIEVE SO THERE IS A 3% COST-OFLIVING ADJUSTMENT. 
          IN THE BUDGET OF THAT FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD AND SIMILAR TO LASHING WITH A FEW MINOR TECHNOLOGY THINGS AND MINOR CHANGES THAT ARE TYPICAL FROM YEAR TO YEAR IN OUR DEPARTMENT. 
          WITH THAT ALTERNATIVE OR TO HR. >> CODEPARTMENT NUMBER 12 0 ONE 
          HUMAN RESOURCES. >> GOOD MORNING COUNSELOR, LISA HART'S DIRECTOR OF HUMAN RESOURCES FOR THE CITY. 
          I WANTED TO TAKE A MOMENT TO SPEAK ABOUT THE HEALTH INSURANC FUND AS WELL AS ALWAYS WE CONTINUOUSLY STRIVE TO BE GOOD STEWARDS OF OUR FUNDS BUT UNFORTUNATELY THE ISSUE HAS BEEN ANOTHER TOUGH YEAR ON OUR FUND AS RESULT OF HIGH DOLLAR CLAIMS SITUATIONS. THIS IS BEEN A TREND OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS WHICH HAS DRIVEN UP THE COST OF OUR STOPLOSS INSURANCE. BECAUSE OF THE INCREASED COST WE PLAN FOR A 5% INCREASE ACROSS THE BOARD AND HEALTH INSURANCE PREMIUMS BUT EVEN WITH THE INCREASE ARE SELF-INSURED HEALTH INSURANCE PLAN IS MORE AFFORDABLE THAN IF WE TOOK IT TO MARKET TO GET A FULLY FUNDED HEALTH INSURANCE PLAN. 
          WHEN WE DID THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT 32 OR 35% INCREASE IN PREMIUMS MAKING IT NOWHERE NEAR AS AFFORDABLE AS HER CURRENT STRUCTURE. WE OF COURSE WILL CONTINUE TO MONITOR OUR CLAIMS AND OUR CLINIC USAGE TO MAKE SURE WE ARE UTILIZING OUR FUNDS RESPONSIBLY. IN THE FUTURE WE MAY HAVE TO 
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LOOK AT MAKING PLAN MODIFICATION SUCH AS A SPOUSAL CARVEOUT OR CHANGING COINSURANCE IF WE CONTINUE TO TREND OVER MULTIPLE YEARS. I WILL GO INTO THE HUMAN RESOURCES BUDGET PACIFICALLY. I WANT TO SEE MY GOAL FOR HUMAN RESOURCES IS TO PROVIDE EXCELLENT SUPPORT TO OUR EMPLOYEES WHILE CONTINUING TO PROVIDE VALUE TO THE CITY. 
          I BELIEVE HUMAN RESOURCES CAN DO THAT IN 2024 WITH THE SAME AMOUNT OF FUNDS THAT WE DID IN 2023 BY REALLOCATING FUNDS TO DIFFERENT ITEMS AND AS A BOTTOM LINE I'VE ASKED FOR A 0% BUDGET INCREASE. WHEN IT COMES TO THE CHANGES IN MY BUDGET AND PERSONNEL SERVICES AS A WHOLE IT DOES REFLECT A 4% INCREASE THIS DOES ACCOUNT FOR THE 3% COST-OF-LIVING TO WAGES AND THIS CONTINUES TO SUPPORT OUR CURRENT STAFFING MODEL OF FIVE AND A HALF FTES AND I WANT TO POINT OUT THE CITY HAS RECENTLY HIT AN ALL-TIME COUNT OF 625 CURRENT FULL-TIME 
          EMPLOYEES. >> 625. 
          RIGHT NOW WE ONLY HAVE A VACANCY RATE OF 1.5% IN OUR FULL-TIME POSITIONS. THAT MEANS WERE ONLY SITTING AT 
          10 OPENINGS CITYWIDE. >> THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE PARK DEPARTMENT EMPLOYEES. WE DO PROVIDE HR SERVICES. 
          >> THEY ARE PART OF OUR HEALTH INSURANCE AND BENEFIT PLANS THAT IS AN ADDITIONAL 50 PLUS FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES THAT WE TAKE 
          ON WITH THAT. >> JUST TO POINT OUT WITH OUR CURRENT STAFF NUMBERS WE STAFF VERY CONSERVATIVELY AND WE HAVE A RATIO OF LESS THAN ONE HR PERSON PER 100 EMPLOYEES. 
          SO WE ARE DEFINITELY OPERATING AT A HIGH LEVEL EFFICIENCY AND I TRULY ATTRIBUTE THAT TO THE STAFF THAT WE HAVE IN THE DEPARTMENT AND THEIR ABILITY AND DESIRE TO DO THE VERY BEST JOB THAT THEY CAN. THE ONLY SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN THIS PORTION OF MY BUDGET IS TO FUND THE MATCHING PORTION OF OUR EMPLOYEES WHO ARE SAVING FOR THEIR RETIREMENTS. 
          IN THE SERVICE SECTION UNDER CONSULTING I HAVE A CHANGE WHERE I REDUCE THE COST SIGNIFICANTLY AND THAT IS DUE TO THE FACT THAT LAST YEAR I HAD ADDED MONEY FOR A ONE-TIME SALARY AND BENEFITS STUDY TO BE DONE THIS YEAR THAT IS CURRENTLY UNDERWAY AND IN THE FINAL PHASES. WE DON'T HAVE THE ACTUAL RESULT YET. WE ANTICIPATE THEM LATER THIS YEAR. AT THAT TIME THE MAYOR WILL REVIEW THE RESULTS AND THEY WILL BE DECIDED IF THERE IS ANY PATH FORWARD AT THIS TIME. THE MONEY THAT I DID BUDGET IN 2024R TO ACCOUNT FOR POSSIBLE CONSULTING CHARGES FOR CHANGES OR REEVALUATION FOR POSITIONS THAT MAY OCCUR NOT JUST IN MY DEPARTMENT BUT CITYWIDE THROUGHOUT 2024 SIBLEY AS A RESULT IN THE FUNDS TO COVER THE ANNUAL FEES FOR THE COMPANY WHO IS ADMINISTERING OUR EMPLOYEE HOTLINE THAT WAS IMPLEMENT IT SEVERAL YEARS AGO. WHEN I GO INTO THE SOFTWARE SUPPORT FEES. I'VE ASKED FOR A SMALL INCREASE. 
          MONIES MOVED FROM ANOTHER LINE AND THAT IS BASICALLY AS I MENTIONED WERE TRYING TO INCREASE OUR EFFICIENCIES AND TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT WE NEED TO INVEST IN SOFTWARE TO BE ABLE TO DO THOSE SORT OF THINGS. I MOVED A LITTLE BIT MORE EXTRA MONEY TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT OUR EFFORTS IN AUTOMATING THINGS WHERE WE CAN. IN THE TRAINING BUDGET I DID REDUCE THAT SLIGHTLY BUT THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT AND THAT'S BECAUSE WE'RE CONTINUING TO FOCUS ON EXPANDING TRAINING IN THE CITY THROUGHOUT 2024. THIS YEAR WE ROLLED OUT A LEARNING MANAGEMENT SYSTEM FOR ALL OF OUR EMPLOYEES AND WE WILL DEVELOP THE MATERIALS AND EXPAND THE OFFERINGS WITHIN THE WHOLE SYSTEM. WE'VE ALREADY BEEN HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH OTHER DEPARTMENTS WHO WANT TO UTILIZE THE SYSTEM AND SOFTWARE FOR DEPARTMENTAL AND REGULATORY TRAINING FOR COMPLIANCE. WE DO CONTINUE TO FOCUS OUR EFFORTS ON SECURING TRAININGS OFFER REAL TECHNIQUES AND SKILLS TO OUR EMPLOYEES THAT COULD BE TRANSFERABLE TO THE DUTIES THAT THEY DO WITHIN THEIR POSITIONS WITHIN THE CITY. 
          IN TESTING FEES I DID ALLOCATE A SLIGHT INCREASE AND THAT IS DUE TO THE FACT OF OUR BACKGROUND SCREENINGS WHEN EMPLOYEES ARE 
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HIRED ON BUT AS WELL AS A DRUG TESTING POLICY TEST EMPLOYEES AT THE TIME OF HIRE AS WELL AS A RANDOM TESTING PROGRAM WHERE EMPLOYEES ARE TESTED ON A RANDOM BASIS IN SAFETY SENSITIVE POSITIONS AS WELL AS OUR DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION COMPLIANCE FOR THE CDL DRIVERS. IN THE FINAL SECTION OF CAPITAL. 
          AGAIN I MOVED FUNDS FROM ANOTHER LINE AND REQUESTED A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE OF 230% IN THE HARDWARE LINE FOR A TOTAL OF $6600 AND THAT IS TO SUPPORT THE PURCHASE OF COMPUTERS AND HARDWARE IN MY DEPARTMENT PREVIOUSLY MY DEPARTMENT COMPUTERS WERE BUDGETED AS PART OF ICS AND THAT SHE WERE TRANSITIONING THE COST DIRECTLY TO MY DEPARTMENT SO THAT IS THE ONLY REASON THAT ACCOUNTS FOR THE INCREASE THEIR. I WANT TO POINT OUT AS A BOTTOM LINE I DID A 0% BUDGET INCREASE AND TRY TO REALLOCATE THE FUNDS WHERE WE NEEDED THEM IN 2024. ANY QUESTIONS? 
          >> COUNSEL YOU WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS. 
          >> THANK YOU, AGAIN I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THE BENCHMARKING REPORT, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE LOOK TO OTHER MENACE APOLOGIES AND SIMILAR ORGANIZATIONS TO MAKE SURE WERE NOT HIGHER OR LOWER WHERE WE SHOULD BE. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I SEE IN IT THINK IT COULD BE DISCUSSED IN THE CONTEXT, HEALTH INSURANCE UNFORTUNATELY KEEPS GOING UP FOR EVERYONE IN MANY ORGANIZATIONS. THE EMPLOYER IS NOT OBLIGATED DOESN'T FEEL OBLIGATED TO TAKE ON THE INCREASES IN THEIR SHARING FOR EXAMPLE WITH EMPLOYEES. 
          AGAIN I'M NOT SURE WHETHER THAT'S THE FORMULA BUT LOOKING AT THE EXTERNAL BENCHMARKING WOULD BE HELPFUL IN THE GENERIC, THAT YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT AND I KNOW OTHERS AGREE IS STANDARDIZATION ACROSS THE ENTERPRISE IS VERY IMPORTANT FROM AN HR STANDPOINT POLICIES, PROCEDURES, REQUIREMENTS ALL OF THOSE THINGS NOT ONLY BETTER FOR OPERATION BUT REDUCES SOME OF OUR LIABILITY AS WELL. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE I LOOK FORWARD TO SEE THE BENCHMARK REPORT WHEN IT IS 
          AVAILABLE. >> THANK YOU I APPRECIATE THE 
          FEEDBACK. >> OUR EMPLOYEES HEALTH INSURANCE INCREASES HAS THE EXACT PERCENTAGE IN THE LOW 80 PERCENTAGE AND THEY PAY THE DIFFERENCE. 
          >> OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? VERY GOOD, THANK YOU WE WILL MOVE ON TO 1205, GENERAL 
          ADMINISTRATION. >> GOOD MORNING COUNSEL, JIM CRIDER DIRECTOR OF ADMINISTRATION. 
          AS A REMINDER THE 1205 BUDGET IS NOT EXCLUSIVELY BUT PRIMARILY THE BUDGET THAT TAKES CARE OF CITY HALL, THE BUILDING, THE GROUNDS AND THE OPERATIONAL COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH IT. 
          BUT THERE ARE A FEW OTHER ITEMS IN THEIR HAND ONE TO HIGHLIGHT IS THE GENERAL INSURANCE LINE. OVERALL THIS PARTICULAR BUDGET IS 2% LOWER THAN LAST YEAR AND I WILL EXPLAIN WHY THAT IS BUT ONE INCREASE FOR GENERAL INSURANCE AND EVERY YEAR THAT WE DO THIS, INSURANCE LIKE MOST THINGS WILL GO UP A LITTLE BIT AND IT'S ONE OF THE COST YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT IS GOING TO BE YET NO IDEA HOW MANY CLAIMS ARE GOING TO COME THROUGH EVERY YEAR WE GET A LITTLE BIT MORE PROPERTY, CONDITIONS CHANGE AND WE HAVE NEW BUILDINGS AND SUCH THEREOF AND WE WORK WITH PILOT OUR INSURANCE BROKER OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS TO COME UP WITH A REASONABLE ESTIMATE OF WHAT WE BELIEVE THE COST FOR INSURANCE WILL BE NEXT YEAR. IN REALITY WE LITERALLY JUST FINISHED COMPLETING ALL THE FORMS FOR PROPERTY, UMBRELLA INSURANCE AND EVERYTHING AND THEY ARE REVIEWING. 
          WE WILL NOT KNOW WHAT THE PREMIUM IS GOING TO BE IN JANUARY UNTIL DECEMBER. OBVIOUSLY THAT IS TOO LATE FOR THE BUDGET PROCESS. HOWEVER, WE HAD A LOT OF SUCCESS OVER THE LAST FOUR OR FIVE YEARS DOING IT THIS WAY AND WE HAVE NOT RUN OUT YET. BASED ON THE WORK WITH PILOT WE 
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THINK WE NEED TO START OUT WITH ABOUT 2.2 MILLION WHICH IS $200,000 MORE THAN LAST YEAR. OUR BEST ESTIMATE RIGHT NOW THAT THE PREMIUM IN JANUARY WILL BE 1.9 BUT AGAIN WE WILL NOT KNOW THAT AND THAT LEAVES US AROUND 300,000 WERE LITTLE BIT LESS TO PAY AND OTHER VARIOUS INSURANCE COSTS AND CLAIMS THAT COME UP THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. THE SECOND THING I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT ON LOOKING ON THE SUMMARY BUT IN THE LAST PAGE THE LAST LINE WHERE IT SAYS CENSUS AND ELECTION FEES. 
          WE STILL HAVE THE MONEY IN THE BUDGET FOR 24 FOR CENSUS AND ELECTION FEES ALTHOUGH WE WILL NOT BE CHARGED FROM THE COUNTY FOR THE OPERATIONAL COST TO RUN THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION WHERE THE NATIONAL ELECTION NEXT YEAR. HOWEVER, WE HAD $150,000 IN THE BUDGET THIS YEAR FOR THAT. FOR THE PRIMARY ARE PART OF THE COST FOR THE ELECTION WAS $117,000. 
          WE REACHED OUT TO THE COUNTY YESTERDAY TO CONFIRM AND THEY DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THEY WILL CHARGE FOR THE UPCOMING ELECTION BUT THEY SAID IT WILL BE AT LEAST THAT MUCH AND COULD BE MORE. I DON'T THINK THEY WILL KNOW UNTIL THEY DO IT AND SETTLE THE COST AND THEN WILL GET A BILL. 
          WE PROBABLY ONLY GOT $30000 LEFT THIS YEAR. 
          WE KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE 117 MAY BE MORE, WE THINK IT'S BEST GOING INTO 24 TO KEEP THE MONEY IN THE LINE AND WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE PLENTY TO PAY WHATEVER INVOICE THE COUNTY SENDS US LATER AND IF THEY SEND IN THE CENTER AM SURE THEY WON'T HAVE A PROBLEM IF WE HANG ONTO IT UNTIL JANUARY AND THEN WE WILL PAY IT. 
          THAT'S WHY THE LINE STAYS THE SAME. 
          THE LAST THING THE REASON WHY WERE 2% LOWER IS THE $358,000 REDUCTION, THAT IS BECAUSE WE PAY PAYMENTS FOR THE ENERGY CENTER OUT OF OUTLINE IN THE PAYMENT SCHEDULE ADJUSTED THIS YEAR SO THE AMOUNT REQUIRED FROM THE PARTICULAR BUDGET DROPPED BY THAT AMOUNT. THAT IS A SET PAYMENT SCHEDULE SET UP WHEN IT WAS BUILT AND WE ARE JUST FOLLOWING THE SCHEDULE. 
          ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS PARTICULAR BUDGET ON 1205? 
          >> I DON'T SEE ANYBODY HAVE A QUESTION. 
          CAN YOU GO OVER BUILDING REPAIRS AND MAINTENANCE. 
          IT LOOKS LIKE WE SPENT 95000 LAST YEAR BUT WERE BUDGETING 207. WE ARE BUDGETING 206,000. 
          IS THERE A BIG EXPENSE COMING UP THAT YOU ARE ANTICIPATING UNLESS 
          I AM LOOKING AT THE WRONG. >> THAT IS THE SAME AS LAST Y YEAR, 206 LAST YEAR INTO A SIXTH ISSUE. 
          >> I GUESS I'M ASKING WILLIE SPENT 95, RIGHT? 
          >> SO FAR. >> IF WE SPENT 95000 AND IS SEPTEMBER IS THERE A REASON WE ARE ALLOWING 206. 
          >> WE WANT TO BE PREPARED IN CASE WE HAVE REPAIRS, JIM HAS A GOOD RECORD OF NOT SPENDING IF IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE BUT WILL HAVE TO RUN BACK FOR ADDITIONAL APPROPRIATION OF SOMETHING AS 
          NECESSARY. >> I GET THAT I'M JUST WORRIED IF THERE IS SOMETHING YOU WERE WORRIED ABOUT SOMETHING YOU SEE 
          COMING. >> NO. 
          >> OKAY, ALRIGHT. WERE 95000 SPENT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS OF TODAY BUT REGARDLESS THAT'S HOW WE TAKE CARE OF THE ROOF WHICH IS EXPENSIVE TO KEEP AND REPAIR BECAUSE OF THE TYPE OF ROOF THAT WE HAVE IN ALL THE GROUNDS WE ARE REPAIRING STONE THAT HAS BEEN CHIPPED AWAY THIS YEAR, ONE YEAR SOME OF YOU MIGHT REMEMBER A FEW YEARS AGO WHEN THE ELEVATOR WENT DOWN AND IT WAS GONE FOR MONTHS. THERE IS THINGS LIKE THAT THAT MAY COME UP. IT'S HELPFUL TO BE CONSISTENT IN THAT. WE HAVE COME CLOSE TO THAT AND IT HELPS US KEEP THE BUILDING IN SHAPE AND I THINK YOU SEE 
          THERE'S NO PROBLEM. >> THANK YOU. 
          >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> COUNSELING. 
          >> I HAD A QUICK QUESTION JIM, I'VE A QUICK QUESTION AND I DID NOT THINK OF THIS THE OTHER DAY WHEN WE MET SO THIS IS NOT A GOTCHA, YOU CAN GET BACK TO ME I'M JUST CURIOUS IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER BENCHMARKS AND ONE AND A HALF OR 2%, THE $2.2 MILLION 
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FOR OUR INSURANCE PREMIUM IS ABOUT ONE AND A HALF TO 2% OF THE OVERALL BUDGET, IS THERE A BENCHMARK FOR THAT AND THIS IS PROBABLY A HIGHLIGHT QUESTION BUT I WAS JUST CURIOUS. 
          >> I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN BY BENCHMARK. 
          >> IS THERE CROSSED AN INDUSTRY FOR CORPORATIONS THAT HAVE MULTI-BUILDING CAMPUSES IS THERE A ROUGH BENCHMARK THAT 1 - 3% IS CONSISTENT FOR PROPERTY INSURANCE OR GENERAL LIABILITY OR NOT. MINUTES APOLOGY MAY BE A BETTER 
          BENCHMARK I'M JUST CURIOUS. >> I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT SPECIFIC QUESTION. WHEN I WAS TALKING TO MARK WELLS HE SAID TRAVELERS INSURANCE IS THE ONE THAT ENSURES OUR PROPERTY AND THEY SAID THE CITY OF CARMEL IS IN THE TOP 10% FOR THE LOWEST RATES BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN VERY CONSISTENT. 
          THAT GIVES YOU SOME PERSPECTIVE AS WE LOOK AT MUNICIPALITY AND POLITIES THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY SPECIALIZING. 
          >> I CAN ADD TO THAT I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY, FORTUNATE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH OUR ADJUSTERS WHEN WERE NEGOTIATING SETTLEMENTS FOR THIS OR THAT AND I GOT TO KNOW THE VARIOUS ADJUSTERS AND THERE'S ALWAYS COMPLEMENTARY ON CARMEL, THEY HARDLY EVER HAVE ANY CLAIMS COMPARED TO MANY CITIES IN GENERAL WHICH MAKES IT EASIER TO WORK WITH WHOM WE NEED TO SETTLE SOMETHING THEY HAVE THEIR BENCHMARKS FOR HOW MUCH OF OUR POLICY IS GOING TO BE SPENT IN GENERALLY IF WE FIND TRAVELERS IS MUCH MORE GENEROU THAN I WOULD BE. 
          >> THANK YOU. >> I DON'T THINK THEY WOULD BE LIKE THAT IF WE WERE HAVING A LOT OF CLAIMS. 
          >> I KNOW WE ARE IN THE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF PROPERTY AND BUILDINGS AND JUST TO HIGHLIGHT SEVERAL YEARS AGO WE HAD A COMPANY COME OUT AND REASSESS THE VALUE OF THE REPLACEMENT COST VALUE OF ALL OF OUR BUILDINGS. 
          WE UPDATED THAT. WHEN THEY CAME SEVERAL YEARS AGO THEY MEASURE THE BUILDINGS IN SQUARE FOOTAGE AND SINCE I HAVE THE INFORMATION WE ASKED THEM TO UPDATE IT BECAUSE OF THINGS GOING ON ACROSS THE COUNTRY. THAT IS ALSO CONSIDERED AS THEY COME UP WITH HOW MUCH IS GOING TO COST AND WE RAISED THE MIRRORS DIRECTION AND HIGHLIGHTS RECOMMENDATION WE RAISE OUR DEDUCTIBLE PRETTY HIGH I THINK WERE DOING AS BEST AS WE CAN. 
          >> SO IT'S FAIR FOR SURGERY AND >> AGAIN THAT BRINGS AROUND ANOTHER QUICK QUESTION. WE DO HAVE A CURRENT INVENTORY OF ALL OF THE BUILDINGS AND PROPERTY THE CITY HAS. 
          COUNSELOR MORALE WAS ASKING ABOUT THE MAINTENANCE BUDGET. 
          IS THERE A PLAN OBSOLESCENCE FOR BUILDINGS AND THEN ARE THERE BUILDINGS THAT HAVE A CERTAIN LIFESPAN AND WILL NEED TO BE REPLACED, IS THAT SOMETHING IN YOUR SCAN OR WHAT THE INDIVIDUAL 
          DEPARTMENT HAS. >> THE INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENT REALLY. I HAVE A BROAD VIEW BUT I MANAGE THE BUDGETS AND I DON'T HAVE DIRECT AWARENESS OF THE STATUS. 
          I'M NOT PERSONALLY AWARE OF THE BUILDINGS WERE ABOUT TO DECOMMISSION IF THAT IS YOUR QUESTION. 
          WE'RE JUST PUTTING UP A COUPLE THANK YOU. 
          >> YES OR. >> OKAY ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON 
          1205 LET'S MOVE ON TO 12 AWAIT. >> ALRIGHT. 
          12 AWAIT IS THE BUDGET THAT PRIMARILY PAYS A LOT OF COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE CENTER OF PERFORMING ARTS FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF THE BUILDING, NOT THE MAINTENANCE BUT THE MAINTENANCE OF THE OPERATIONAL COST OF THE BUILDING, THE JAMES BUILDING ENERGY CENTER RELATED COST OPERATIONAL COST AND YOU DON'T SEE ANY PERSONNEL COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PARTICULAR BUDGET. LET ME EXPLAIN WHY IT APPEARS THAT THE COST HAS GONE UP $579,000. 
          IT'S A LITTLE BIT MISLEADING, LAST YEAR THE BUDGET WAS ABOUT $2.8 MILLION FOR OTHER CONTRACTED SERVICES. 
          I WAS ABLE TO ENCUMBER ABOUT $300,000 AT THE END OF LAST YEAR. REALLY WE HAD $3.1 MILLION TO WORK WITH THIS YEAR. THIS IS ONE OF THE LINES THIS IS A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE FIXED COSTS, PAYMENTS THAT WE MAKE JUST LIKE THE DPW AND THE ENERGY CENTER AND THE OTHER BUDGET THERE ARE SOME PAYMENTS THAT COME OUT OF HERE BUT THERE ARE 
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ALSO UNKNOWN COST LIKE OPERATIONAL COST OR WHAT WORK NEEDS TO BE DONE BY LEGION RUSSELL AT THE ENERGY CENTER AND WE DO HAVE AN IDEA BECAUSE WE LOOK AT THE LAST FIVE YEARS AND WE LOOK AT TRENDS CONSIDER INFLATION AND WE DON'T GO INTO IT BLIND BUT THE 2.8 WITH THE ENCUMBRANCE IS ABOUT 3.1. 
          SORRY, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING. >> IF YOU ONE OTHER THING TO HIGHLIGHT THERE WAS AN ADJUSTMENT FOR THIS PARTICULAR BUDGET WHERE IT WENT UP $95000 SO THE A THE INCREASE IN THE LINE. IF YOU DO THE MATH WERE ASKING FOR AN INCREASE IN THE PARTICULAR LINE OF $184,000 AND THE DIFFERENCE FROM LAST YEAR END A LOT OF THAT IS TOO INFLATION ANTICIPATED INCREASE IN COST. 
          >> WE SHOULD POINT OUT, WHEN WE SAY ENERGY CENTERS, THOSE ARE HEATING AND COOLING COST THAT THE BUILDING SERVES ON FIVE 
          BUILDINGS. >> RIGHT, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT CROSSWAY, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THIS BUILDING, THE JAMES BUILDINGS OF THE HEATING AND COOLING FOR ALL OF THOSE 
          BUILDINGS. >> ALRIGHT. 
          >> COUNSELING. >> DIRECTOR DOES THE OTHER CONTRACT SERVED INCLUDING THE MANAGEMENT FOR THE CENTER OF PERFORMING ARTS OR IS THAT A SEPARATE LINE I CANNOT REMEMBER 
          WHAT BUDGET OUTLINE GOES ON. >> I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU MEAN BY MANAGEMENT FEE WE PAY THE OPERATIONAL COST. 
          >> THE OPERATIONAL COST FOR THE CPA ARE UNDERNEATH THIS. 
          >> ANOTHER THING TO COMMENT WE HAVE THE NEWLY FORMED CARMEL CLIMATE ACTION ADVISORY PLAN AND WHAT ARE THE RECOMMENDATIONS FLOATING TOWARDS THE TOP IS TO DO AN ENERGY AUDIT TO LOOK AT WHERE THE HIGHEST USE HAND OPPORTUNITIES TO IMPROVE THAT AND IN PARALLEL I DON'T KNOW IF JOHN IS HERE FOR TOMORROW WE TALKED ABOUT WATER USAGE AGAINST THE ENTERPRISE. 
          I THINK THROUGH THE CLIMATE ADVISORY PLAN WE WILL GET THE VISIBILITY TO HELP YOU AND CITY LEADERS AND HOW WE CAN IMPROVE 
          SOME OF THOSE COST. >> ONE COMMENT ASSOCIATED WITH THAT AS WE SPEAK. JOHNSON CONTROLS GOING THROUGH THE ENERGY CENTER AND I DON'T KNOW IF I CALL IT AN AUDIT BUT THEY'RE DOING AN ASSESSMENT BECAUSE AS IT AGES WE WILL HAVE TO REPLACE THINGS. THEY ARE GOING THROUGH TO IDENTIFY THINGS THAT COULD MAKE IT MORE EFFICIENT. 
          AT LEAST FOR THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION SOMETHING THAT IS 
          HAPPENING NOW. >> WE TALKED IN CONTEXT OF RETROFIT AND THE UPGRADES TO THE POLICE STATION IS ALSO MAKING THOSE ENERGY-EFFICIENT CHANGES WHILE WE ARE DOING IT BUT SOME OF THE FINDINGS MAY SAY WE NEED TO RETROFIT SOME OF HER BUILDINGS TO MAKE THEM MORE ENERGY EFFICIENT AS WELL. 
          >> I SHOULD POINT OUT SEVERAL WERE NOT ON THE COUNCIL AT THE TIME THE ENERGY CENTER WAS BUILT. 
          MOST HVAC ARE ENERGY AND HEATING SYSTEMS. FOR INSTANCE HE ABILITY AND WAIT FOR THE TEMPERATURE TO FALL AND TURN ON AGAIN AND THEY HEATING UP THE EQUIPMENT EACH TIME IS VERY ENERGY-EFFICIENT. WE WERE TOLD THE TIME THE ENERGY CENTER WAS BUILT WE WOULD SAVE 50% OF THE FUEL USED. 
          WHAT THE ENERGY CENTER DOES WHEN ONE BUILDING IS HEATED TO THE DESIRED TEMPERATURE AND IT CYCLES HIS STAYS ON IN CYCLES AND EXPO IN SOCAL CERTIFIED BUILDING CYCLE AND START OVER AGAIN. ENERGY CENTERS ARE MUCH MORE EFFICIENT THAN INDIVIDUAL HVAC SYSTEMS IN EACH BUILDING. 
          I'M NOT AN ENGINEER BUT THAT'S EXPLANATION THAT WE HAD IN 2005 WHEN WE MADE THE DECISION TO BUILD. 
          >> OKAY. ALL RIGHT, WE ARE READY TO MOVE 
          ON 21701, THE CONTROLLER. >> GOOD MORNING, EVERYBODY. 
          THIS BUDGET IS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. 
          OVERALL WE HELD THE COST FLAT WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE 3% COLA. YOU CAN SEE ON THE HEALTHCARE PREMIUM WE DID REFLECT THE CITY'S 5% INCREASE. 
          THERE ARE A COUPLE OF CATEGORIES THAT ARE GOING UP BUT THEY WERE OFFSET BY REDUCTION IN OTHER CATEGORIES. 
          ONE WE HAVE A LOT OF INCREASED PRINTING COST, CHECK STOCKS 
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GOING UP AND THE ENVELOPES THAT WE MAILED THE CLAIM CHECKS, THAT IS TO OUR CORE OPERATION SO WE DO THE BEST WE CAN AND WE WORK WITH VENDORS THAT THE CITY TRADITIONALLY USES. 
          BUT AS THE MAYOR HAD REFLECTED THERE IS SOME COST-OF-LIVING TYPES OF ADJUSTMENT IN THE MARKETPLACE IN THE WAY OF INFLATION. ANOTHER LINE ITEM IS AN INCREASE FOR ARBITRAGE IN CONTINUING DISCLOSURE SERVICES. 
          WHAT THIS RELATES TO ARBITRAGE RLATES TO TAX-EXEMPT BONDS AND THEY CONTINUE DISCLOSURE AS REQUIRED ON ALL PUBLICLY ISSUED BONDS AND WHEN THE BONDS ARE ISSUED WE HAVE A GENERAL OR OPERATING ACCOUNT ON THE TYPE OF THE BOND. 
          INITIALLY WE HAD THE PROCEEDS INVESTED AND WERE EARNING INCOME AND THE OFFSETS THE FEES THAT WERE REQUIRED TO PAY TO STAY COMPLIANT. AS THE TRUSTEE ACCOUNTS ARE CLOSING OUT SOME OF THE DEBT THEY EXPECT AND 2016 WE HAD THE COST THAT WE STILL HAVE TO INCUR TO STAY COMPLIANT. 
          BUT WE DON'T HAVE MANY IN THE TRUSTEE ACCOUNTS TO PAY THEM. 
          SO WE PAY THEM OUT OF MY BUDGET AND ALSO I WORK WITH MIKE LEE AND HE HAS IT BUDGETED IN HIS LINE ITEM FOR THE AUTHORITY SO AGAIN AS THE TRUSTEE ACCOUNTS CLOSE WERE TAKEN ON MORE AND MORE OF THE FEES AND IT'S THE NATURE OF MAKING SURE THAT WE THAT WITH OTHER LINE ITEMS.FSET- THE ADP PROCESS COST WENT DOWN BECAUSE WERE BACK TO 26 PAYROLLS THIS YEAR. 
          WE AVERAGE ABOUT 4000 PER PAY PERIOD, THAT DID GO DOWN AND THE ONLY OTHER INCREASE IN MATERIAL IS PRECOAT WITH THE PAYROLL ANALYST ATTENDED THE ADP CONFERENCE OR WE COULD KEEP CURRENT ON CHANGES AND MAKE SURE THE ADP SYSTEM IS BEING UTILIZED EFFICIENTLY AND AS EFFECTIVELY AS WE CAN SO WE DID BUDGET SO SHE COULD ATTEND NEXT YEAR THE CONFERENCE AND GAIN ANY NEW INSIGHT ON HOW WE CAN BETTER MANAGE PAYROLL. 
          OTHER THAN THAT THERE IS NOT TOO MUCH CHANGE. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS. 
          >> ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING CONTROL BUDGET. 
          >> COUNSELING. >> THIS IS SMALL POTATOES, JUST CURIOUS HAVE WE LOOKED AT DOING INSTEAD OF PAYING FIRST STATIONARY AND POSTAGE HAVE WE LOOKED AT DOING THIS ELECTRONICALLY A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE DEALING WITH ACH. 
          >> ACH IS A VERY, VERY VERY HUGE FRAUD RISK AND WE'VE DIAL THAT BACK CONSIDERABLY BECAUSE OF THE FRAUD RISK IT PRESENTS TO GOVERNMENT AND WE DO WIRES. THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES BUT BASICALLY WE FOLLOW THAT THE STATE BOARD OF ACCOUNTS IS A MINI ISSUE IS AND THAT IS ISSUING THE MANUAL PHYSICAL CHECKS THAT EVERYONE ON COUNCIL APPROVES. 
          >> IT SEEMS LIKE MANY, MANY LARGE CORPORATIONS ARE DOING THIS SO SOMEONE FIGURED IT OUT. IT'S NOT A BIG DOLLAR AMOUNT I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF WE LOOKED AT IT. 
          >> US. >> JUST TO ELABORATE. 
          WE FOLLOW WHAT THE STATE BOARD OF ACCOUNT SAYS AND I WILL SAY FROM MY PERSPECTIVE THEY'RE NOT THE MOST PROGRESSIVE ORGANIZATION AND HOW WE DO THINGS. 
          >> SOLVING TOMORROW'S PROBLEMS WITH YESTERDAY'S SOLUTIONS. 
          >> YES I KNOW IN ONE INSTANCE HE DIDN'T LIKE THE WAY WE DID CAPITAL ASSETS AND THEY GAVE ME A FORM OF 1967 THAT DID NOT SHOW DEPRECIATION. SO I THOUGHT CONSIDERING THE RIGOR THAT WE HAVE ON THE 1.2 BILLION CAPITAL ASSETS. 
          YOU DO GET THE FLAVOR OF THINGS BUT THEY HAVE A MANDATE EVEN THE CLAIMS FORM IS MANDATED BY THE STATE BOARD OF ACCOUNTS. 
          I WOULD POINT OUT A COUPLE MUNICIPALITY THAT DID NOT FOLLOW WITH WHAT THEY SAID GOT IN TROUBLE BUT TO YOUR POINT ON THE ACH. IF WE HAVE AN ESTABLISHED VENDOR RELATIONSHIP WITH SUCH AS ANTHEM. 
          WE HAVE A TEMPLATE AND ITS INNER BANKING SYSTEM AND WE DO UTILIZE ACH WITH VENDORS THAT WE KNOW. BUT AGAIN IT'S A TREMENDOUS FRAUD RISK AND EVEN OUR BANKING PARTNERS DON'T RECOMMEND IT BUT 
          WE DO A NUMBER OF WIRES. >> OKAY. 
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          >> LET'S MOVE ON. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, GREAT JOB. 
          WE WILL GO TO THE CITY CLERK. >> GOOD MORNING. 
          >> AND MORNING COUNSELORS. >> GOOD MORNING. 
          >> WOLFGANG CRIMINAL CITY CLERK. OVERALL MY BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR IS GOING UP 1%. THAT INCLUDES PERSONAL SERVICES, THE MAIN CHANGES IN MY BUDGET, FIRST OF ALL THE PRESUMPTIVE CLERK NEXT YEAR JACOB IS PLANNING ON MOVING ONE OF OUR PART-TIME EMPLOYEES TO FULL-TIME AND THAT MAKES A CHANGE IN OUR DEFERRAL AND THAT ALSO INCLUDES THE INSURANCE INCREASES IN THAT. 
          I INCREASED OUR PART-TIME BUDGET LITTLE BIT BECAUSE WE ARE NOT SURE WHAT WERE GOING TO NEED WERE MOVING OVER TO THE POLICE ANNEX BEFORE THE END OF THIS% YEAR END WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL NEED AND JACOB DOESN'T KNOW WHAT HE'LL NEED AS FAR AS ADDING ANOTHER PART-TIME PERSON WE DON'T KNOW WHERE SECURITY NEEDS OF WHAT HE'LL BE PAYING FOR, WE PAY FOR SECURITY NOW ON THE COURTSIDE FOR THE CLERK STAFF I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'LL BE AN EXPENSE SHARE OR NOT BUT I KEPT THAT IN THERE. 
          I ADDED QUITE A BIT TO STATIONARY AND PRINTING BECAUSE A NEW ADDRESS, NEW OFFICES, NEW PEOPLE, NEW BUSINESS CARDS, NEW STATIONARY AND ALL OF THAT WON'T BE NECESSARY. 
          FURNITURE AND FIXTURES I ADDED 25%, A LOT OF THAT WILL BE THERE BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL NEED THINGS WE DON'T HAVE NOW.R AS- WE HAVE A LOT NOW WE WILL BE COMBINING TO OFFICE OUR COURTSIDE OFFICE IN OUR OFFICE IN CITY HALL WHICH WILL BE NICE TO HAVE EVERYBODY UNDER ONE ROOF BUT WE DON'T KNOW HOW THAT'S GOING TO FIT TOGETHER IN BUDGETING A LITTLE BIT FOR THE UNKNOWN. THAT IS ABOUT IT. 
          >> ALRIGHT, ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE CLERK'S OFFICE. 
          >> YES COUNSELING. >> I HEARD SOME GOOD NEWS THAT WERE GOING TO HOLD COURT IN DECEMBER AND THE NEW FACILITY. 
          I WOULD HOPE SOME OF OUR COST GO DOWN FOR EXAMPLE SECURITY CENTER COLLATED WITH THE POLICE. I KNOW THE DOT WAS TO FULL OUT OFFICE SPACES AS WELL SO I AGREE WITH PATTY NET A LITTLE BIT BUT HOPEFULLY WILL CUT UNDER THE NUMBERS THAT YOU PUT THERE. 
          THANK YOU. >> OKAY. 
          >> ALRIGHT, ANYTHING ELSE, SHORT AND SWEET. 
          WE WILL MOVE ON TO IT INFORMATION CAN MITIGATION 
          SYSTEMS COUNT 1115. >> GOOD MORNING. 
          >> AND MORNING COUNSEL. >> TIMOTHY DIRECTIVE INFORMATION AND COMMUNICATION SYSTEMS DEPARTMENT ALSO KNOWN AS IT. 
          IF YOU WOULD LIKE I'LL DO IN PREVIOUS YEARS ALL HIT THE 
          HIGHLIGHTS. >> I GAVE SOME DIRECTION AS WE STARTED WE ARE LOOKING FOR WHERE THE MAJOR CHANGES ARE IN THE THINGS THAT YOU WANT TO DRAW OUR OUR ATTENTION TO. 
          >> OVERALL IT IS REQUESTING A 14% INCREASE FROM PREVIOUS YE YEARS, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK DOCTOR HANNON AND COUNSELOR GREEN FOR OUR CONVERSATION LAST WEEK ON THE BUDGET. 
          IT WAS TALKED ABOUT THE IT IS AN ENTERPRISE TYPE OF BUDGET THAT IT REFLECTS CHANGES ACROSS THE CITY AND NOT JUST THE DEPARTMENT ITSELF. YOU WILL SEE THAT COMING APPEAR. 
          AS FAR AS PERSONNEL, REQUEST A ONE FULL-TIME POSITION, AN ENTRY-LEVEL POSITION, THAT IS BECAUSE OF GROWTH. 
          SPECIFICALLY IOT DEVICE AND IOT STANDS FOR THE INTERNET OF THINGS. THINK OF THAT OF THINGS CONNECTED TO THE ENTERPRISE NETWORK THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY A COMPUTER OR A SERVER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT SO WERE TALKING ABOUT CAMERAS, AUDIOVISUAL EQUIPMENT, SENSORS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. WE HAD AN EXCEPTIONALLY LARGE GROWTH IN THE AREA. AS AN EXAMPLE THE IT DEPARTMENT DOES ITS OWN FIBER LOCATES SO EVERY TIME THERE'S GOING TO BE CONSTRUCTION OR DIGGING REQUIRED TO CALL IN AND NOTIFY THAT 
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YOU'RE GOING TO BE DOING THAT. IF IT'S ANYWHERE NEAR THE FIBER, WE THE DEPARTMENT GETS THE NOTIFICATION AND SEND SOMEBODY TO PAINT THE ORANGE LINES IN THE FLAGS THAT ARE ON THERE TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE GROWTH IN 2019 WE HAD JUST UNDER 3500 LOCATE REQUEST. LAST YEAR IN 2022 WE HAD OVER 11000 LOCATE REQUEST. YES OUR FIBER FOR THE CITY IS GROWN WHICH IS A GOOD THING BUT THERE ARE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT TOO. IT GIVES YOU AN IDEA FOR THAT RESPECT. MOVING ONTO THE MATERIAL PART WERE EQUIPMENT PART OF THE BUDGET FOR THREE 0 0 0 TELEPHONE LINE CHARGES SHOWS A DECREASE OF 100% MINUS $56000 AND THAT IS ACTUALLY A MOVE THAT IS MOVED TO A DIFFERENT LINE ITEM BECAUSE OUR BOYS CONTRACT EXPIRED AND WE WERE ABLE TO SHIFT OVER TO A MORE CURRENT TECHNOLOGY WHICH MEANS OUR VOICE SYSTEM RUNS OVER THE INTERNET. THAT IS THE STANDARD TECHNOLOGY. 
          WE DID NOT SAY WERE MOVING TO A DIFFERENT LINE. 
          43442 0 0. INTERNET LINE CHARGES THAT'S WHERE IT WAS MOVED TO SAID THAT THE BIGGEST INCREASE IN THAT ONE SO ADDITIONAL COST FOR BANDWIDTH IN THE ITEM. 
          >> OTHER LINES HAVE BEEN HELD THE SAME. 
          SO DROPPING DOWN TO 435 0 0 0 0 0. 
          EQUIPMENT REPAIRS AND MAINTENANCE THAT WAS AN INCREASE OF 59% OR AN INCREASE IN MONETARILY OF $34000. 
          THAT IS THE BIGGEST MOVEMENT IN THAT LINE IS $30000 FOR TORNADO SIREN MAINTENANCE EVERY FIVE YEARS WE HAVE TO REPLACE THE BATTERIES IN THOSE SO THIS IS 2024 THAT WILL BE THE FIFTH YEAR WE INCLUDED $30000 FOR THAT MAINTENANCE. 
          NEXT 14350100 BUILDING REPAIRS AND MAINTENANCE. 
          20% INCREASE, $36235. THE BIGGEST MOVEMENT IN THAT LINE IS TO SUPPORT THE FIBER INFRASTRUCTURE IN ADDITIONAL $52000 FOR THE FIBER NETWORK AND SOME MINOR ONES BUT THAT IS THE BIGGEST ONE IN THE LINE ITEM. AGAIN WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY 50 MILES OF FIBER IN THE CITY AND THE 70 MILES OF CONDUIT. 
          THAT IS EMPTY READY FOR FIBER TO BE PUT INTO IT. 
          AGAIN THAT GIVES YOU THE SCOPE OF WHAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY THAT WERE MAINTAINING AND TAKING CARE OF. 
          NEXT LINE ITEM FOR 350-9000 OTHER CONTRACTED SERVICES. 
          THE BIGGEST MOVEMENT AND THAT ONE IS A 50% INCREASE, $56718 OF THE BIGGEST MOVEMENT IS MAINTENANCE OF CITY AUDIOVISUAL DEVICES AND EQUIPMENT AND ALARM MONITORING. 
          21000 OTHER INCREASE FOR CITY AV ENTERPRISE SYSTEM IN THAT SETTING COURTS, EEOC AND MIDTOWN TO THE MAINTENANCE SCHEDULE THAT IS WHY THAT IS INCREASING. AND THE NEXT ONE THERE IS AN INCREASE OF $28948 WE NOW HAVE 33 LOCATIONS BEETLE ARE MONITORED. AGAIN WE START ABOUT 2018 TO MIGRATE THE BUILDINGS TO ONE PLATFORM AND THAT'S GOING TO 33 LOCATIONS. THE NEXT TWO LINES 435-1501 AND 43502 SHOW DECREASE IN A 23% AND 60% RESPECTIVELY, ON THE FIRST ONE. THINK ABOUT IT YEARS AGO AND I'VE BEEN HERE SIX YEARS AND WHEN I GOT HERE THOSE WERE TWO LARGE LINES AND THAT THE TECHNOLOGY COMPANIES DID IT, HARDWARE MAINTENANCE AND SOFTWARE MAINTENANCE. 
          FOR THE LAST NUMBER OF YEARS BOTH OF THE LINES HAVE DECREASED BECAUSE COMPANIES REALIZE THEY CAN MAKE MORE MONEY SELLING UP SUBSCRIPTION THAN DOING MAINTENANCE. 
          THAT'S WHY THE LINES CONTINUE TO BE DECREASE. 
          AGAIN THE HARDWARE GOES DOWN BECAUSE OF THAT REASON AND ON THE SOFTWARE WE MOVE THAT OVER TO SUBSCRIPTION SERVICES BECAUSE AGAIN THE CHANGE I JUST EXPLAINED. 
          >> THE NEXT 14355600 SUBSCRIPTION SERVICES AS THE OTHER ONES DECREASE, THIS ONE WENT UP SUBSTANTIALLY, REQUESTED A NIGHT CREAM% INCREASE OR 198,006 AND $25 AND SOME OF THE BIGGEST MOVEMENT HERE FLOCK CAMERAS INCREASE THAT WE WERE PAYING FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF THE FLOCK CAMERAS AND THERE WAS A REQUEST FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO ADD ADDITIONAL CAMERAS 10 MORE PHYSICAL ONES AND 10 MORE LICENSES. 
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WHAT I MEAN BY LICENSES IS THE ABILITY FOR AN EXISTING CITY CAMERA TO ALSO DO LICENSE PLATE READING ON THAT SYSTEM. 
          THINK OF INTEREST IN EXITS TO PARKING GARAGES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT WE HAVE A CAMERA AT THE APPROPRIATE POSITION TO CAPTURE THE LICENSE PLATE. IN THE MAINTENANCE THAT WE HAVE AN EXTRA ADDITIONAL CAMERAS FOR THAT. 
          55000 FOR A NEW CYBERSECURITY SYSTEM THAN 25000 WAS MOVED FROM A DIFFERENT LINE ITEM FROM THE ONE ABOVE AND WERE THE BIGGEST MOVERS THERE. NOW WE GET INTO 644631.0, COMMUNICATION EQUIPMENT. THIS IS AN INCREASE OF 231% OR TWO TO 28597. AND THIS IS WHERE THE NEW LEASE FIRST COMES INTO PLAY. FIRST I APOLOGIZE THE FIRST LINE SHOWS AND I INCLUDED THAT IN HERE AND I SHOULD NOT HAVE, THAT WAS LAST YEAR'S LEASE THAT PUT IN HERE AND I MISTAKENLY PUT IN A NEW LEASE BUT IT WAS LAST YEAR'S LEASE. 
          SO MOVING DOWN FROM THAT THERE WERE REQUEST FOR ADDITIONAL COOLING UNITS IN OUR DATA CENTER AGAIN TWO YEARS AGO WHEN WE WERE MENTALLY DESIGNING THE DATA CENTER WE PROJECTED OUT WHAT WE THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE IN THE GROWTH WAS ACTUALLY MORE SO MORE EQUIPMENT AND MORE COOLING THAT HAS TO GO IN THERE. 
          IN ADDITION TO THAT WE HAVE EIGHT EVENT RADIOS THAT RU FOR THE MARATHON AND THINGS LIKE THAT FOR CITY USE THEY AGED OUT IN THIS BEEN A REQUEST FOR ADDITIONAL ONES IT'S REPLACING EIGHT AND BUYING FOR ADDITIONAL ONES. 
          LEASE FOUR, CAMERA REPLACEMENT. EACH YEAR THE REQUEST IS GOING TO COME FOR OUR DEPARTMENT TO GET RID OF THE OLDER ONES AND HAVE A REFRESH CYCLE SO EVERY YEAR IT GOES ON IN THE CAMERAS WE REFRESH 7 - 8 YEARS IS A LIFECYCLE OF A CAMERA BUT AS YOU KNOW WITH IT AND CYBERSECURITY A LOT DEPENDS ON WHEN THE VENDOR QUITS DOING MAINTENANCE AND PATCHING AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT DOES NOT DRIVE OUR DECISION FOR MAINTENANCE AT TIMES. 
          A NEW LEASE FOR UPS WHICH UPS DANCE FOR UNINTERRUPTIBLE POWER SOURCE THE UNIT THAT CONTAINS THE BATTERY IS NOT JUST THE BATTERY BUT IT ACTS AS A SUPPRESSOR SO IT'S AN INSURANCE POLICY BETWEEN THE EQUIPMENT AND A NUMBER OF TIMES AND IT'S A LESSER COST DEVICE THAT SITS IN BETWEEN THE POWER DISTRIBUTION NETWORK AND THE EQUIPMENT AND HELPS PROTECT AGAINST SURGES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AGAIN EVERYWHERE THAT WE HAVE NETWORKING EQUIPMENT, EVERYWHERE THAT WE HAVE EQUIPMENT THERE IS GOOD TO BE NETWORKING EQUIPMENT AND WE HAVE THESE UNITS TO PROTECT THE EQUIPMENT. THAT IS GOING TO BE ON A YEARLY REFRESH CYCLE AS THE BATTERIES HAVE ONLY X AMOUNT OF LIFE IN THEM. UPGRADE WITH COMMUNICATIONS ALONG MAIN STREET, THAT IS OBVIOUSLY AN OLDER AREA THAT IS NOT OPENABLE IF WE NEED TO PUT FIBER IN A SYSTEM IN PLACE, NEW LEASE FOR UPGRADING OF COUNCIL CHAMBERS AND AUDIOVISUAL AND WE SAW THIS MORNING AND WE INCLUDED ELISE TO UPGRADE THE VOTING SYSTEM AND BROADCAST TECHNOLOGY PTC CAMERAS IN THE BROADCASTING SWITCHING TYPE OF THING. ADDITIONAL CAMERA SERVERS WERE MIGRATED OVER TO THE SYSTEM IN REQUESTING ADDITIONAL SERVICE FOR THE GROWTH OF THE CAMERAS. AND LINE ITEM FOR REPLACEMENT OF MOVING ON TO 446-3201 HARDWARE INCREASED 31% WHICH IS $92199. 
          IN THE MAJORITY OF THE LINE ITEM IS LAST YEAR'S LEASES HAVE GONE FROM ONE PAYMENT TO TWO AND THAT'S WHAT THAT INCREASE IS ABOUT. WHEN WE DO WITH LEASE USUALLY THE FIRST YEAR IN THE LAST YEAR AS A SINGLE PAYMENT.% THEN THE FOLLOWING YEAR IS TWO PAYMENTS. 
          WE BUDGET FOR WHAT WE NEED WITH A SINGLE PAYMENT ON THE FIRST YEAR IN THE LAST YEAR AND WILL HAVE TO BOOSTED UP THE FOLLOWING YEAR FOR THE SECOND PAYMENT. THAT IS THE MAJOR MOVEMENT. 
          >> ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS COUNSELOR NELSON. 
          >> THINK YOU TIMOTHY. I QUESTION RECENTLY SOMETHING 
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HAPPENED AT MY FAMILY'S FUNERAL HOME. 
          HOW ARE WE DOING ON PROTECTING THE COMMUNITY FROM A DATA BR 
          BREACH. >> DO WE HAVE ENOUGH FUNDING 
          DIRECTED TOWARDS THAT? >> NEVER ENOUGH FUNDING FOR THAT. TIMOTHY DOES A WONDERFUL JOB. 
          >> RIGHT. HOW CAN I GIVE YOU AN ANSWER THAT IS NOT REALLY AN ANSWER. MY QUESTION NOT TO DIVULGE ANYTHING THAT SHOULD BE DIV DIVULGED. 
          WE ARE FOLLOWING BEST PRACTICES, IN ADDITION TO THAT PERSONALLY I AM ON TO STATE AGENCIES DEALING WITH LOCAL GOVERNMENT CYBERSECURITY. IT IS NOT JUST LOOKING AT OURSELVES AND I'M PART OF THE GREATER ECO SYSTEM OF CYBERSECURITY FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENT. 
          WE DO UTILIZE BEING A LOCAL GOVERNMENT, WE HAVE ADVANTAGES AND OTHER PLACES THAT DON'T FROM STATE AND FEDERAL RESOURCES AND THEY GIVE US SERVICES FOR FREE AND WERE TAKEN TO VILLAGES MANY 
          OF THE SERVICES AS POSSIBLE. >> WHAT IS AVAILABLE WE ARE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF. VERSUS RETENTION EXISTING CAMERAS. ARE WE ADDING TO OUR NUMBER? 
          >> WE HAVE 150 IN THE POLICE BUDGET RIGHT? 
          >> AND I CATCH ALL LINE ITEMS. >> TECHNOLOGY CHANGES SO FAST THAT WE DO LOOK AT IT IN THAT WAY BUT WE ALSO LOOK AT IT IN A DIFFERENT WAY AND FOR X AMOUNT OF MONEY AND REPLACE AS MANY CAMERAS AS WE CAN OUT OF THAT NUMBER SO I CAN'T GIVE YOU A HARD ONE RIGHT NOW ARE USING A DIFFERENT BRAND OF CAMERA FOR 4K AND THREE YEARS AGO WE DID NOT HAVE OPPORTUNITY WHEN THEY COME IN THE MARKET THERE OBVIOUSLY MORE EXPENSIVE SO WHAT WE DO WE SAY WE HAVE AS MUCH AVAILABLE THESE ARE HOW MANY OLD CAMERAS THAT WE HAVE SO WE COULD REPLACE AS MANY AS POSSIBLE USING THE APPROPRIATE CAMERA. THE NEWER ONES AND THEIR DIFFERENT TYPE OF CAMERA THEN WHAT WOULD BE IN A BUILDING IN SOMETHING LIKE THAT AT DIFFERENT PRICE. 
          >> I'M GOING TO TRY TO PUSH YOU A LITTLE BIT, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO KNOW SO IF YOU WANT TO GO BACK TO 2023 IS OUR NETWORK GROWING, THAT IS MY ULTIMATE QUESTION. 
          >> YES, OUR NETWORK IS DEFINITELY GROWING. 
          IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A NUMBER OF CAMERAS WE HAVE JUST UNDER 450 CAMERAS. CONNECT THIS BUDGET WILL SUPPORT THE ADDITION OF 50 MORE CAMERAS WITH LICENSE PLATE READING 
          CAMERAS. >> OKAY. 
          >> COMMENT AND WHAT WERE FINDING IT MAKES THE POLICE IN PARTICULAR MUCH MORE EFFECTIVE. SOME PEOPLE WILL BRING UP PRIVACY ISSUES IN A PUBLIC AREA AND YOU ARE IN PUBLIC THIS IS ASSEMBLY TO AN TOOL TO ENHANCE WHAT THE POLICE CAN DO INDIVIDUALLY. NOT LOOKING AT PEOPLE'S HOUSES. 
          BUT IN THE PUBLIC REALM OF THE STREET IT IS FAIR GAME AND THE POLICE CHIEF HAS TOLD ME THE CAMERAS ARE SOME OF THE MOST EFFECTIVE THINGS THAT THEY CAN DO TO GET PEOPLE THAT WANT TO WARN REGULAR BASIS AND THEY'RE STARTING TO STEAL LICENSE PLATE NOW AND THEN LEARNING HOW IT WORKS. 
          AND JUST LOOK FOR THE ONES THAT ARE BEEN STOLEN. 
          IN THE CAMERAS ARE VERY, VERY EFFECTIVE FOR THE DEPARTMENT. 
          MY POLICY HAS BEEN TO LET'S EXPAND THAT AND WE CAN HANDLE 
          EACH YEAR. >> CAN YOU GIVE ME AN UPDATE ON THE DEPARTMENT ITSELF LAST I KNEW AND MAYBE ARE STILL THERE YOU'RE OFF OF MAIN STREET BUT WHAT ARE THE PLANS AND WHAT FACILITIES ARE YOU OCCUPYING NOW, WHERE DO WE FIND YOU. 
          >> WE ARE STILL THERE, THE EXPANSION TO THE TOWNSHIP BUILDING AT 106 AND COLLEGES JUST FINISHING UP WE STARTED MOVING A INITIAL BOXES DOWN THERE THIS WEEK, WE ARE EXPECTED TO BE IN THE NEW LOCATION AT THE END OF OCTOBER. 
          >> EVERYBODY WILL BE LOCATED THERE. 
          >> CORRECT ALL STAFF. >> I'M JUST CURIOUS IS THERE ANY STAFF AT THE NEW CENTER BY THE% WATER TOWER, WHATEVER WE ARE 
          CALLING THAT. >> THE DATA CENTER? 
          >> DOES ANYBODY LIVE THERE. >> NOT FULL-TIME. 
          THERE IS AN OFFICE FOR TAKING CARE OF THE AREA, THE DATA CENTER, THE COMPUTERS AND SERVERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT BUT 
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THAT IS NOT A FULL-TIME OFFICE FOR ANYBODY. 
          >> VERY GOOD. >> MR. CRATER IN TIMOTHY WORKED VERY HARD TO GET THE TOWNSHIP BUILDING IN SHAPE FOR MANY, MANY YEARS THAT WILL SERVE AS WELL. IN THE IT DEPARTMENT. 
          >> THANK YOU THE COUNSELOR AND I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SIT DOWN WITH THE DIRECTOR AND WE APPRECIATED IT ALWAYS CATCHES YOUR EYE WHEN IT GOES UP BY 14%. I THINK YOU DID A NICE JOB TALKING ABOUT THAT. QUICKLY, THE COUNSELOR'S POINT ABOUT IT CYBERSECURITY. MY RECOMMENDATION REMAINS THAT WE SHOULD EXPAND OUR AUDIT COMMITTEE TO INCLUDE THAT ADDITIONAL LOOK AT WHAT YOU'RE DOING FROM NIT SECURITY STANDPOINT NOT THAT YOU'RE NOT DOING ADDITIONAL RESOURCES AND ADDITIONAL VIEW THAT HELPS TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL LAYER. 
          THE COMPLEMENT THAT I GAVE TIMOTHY, I THINK HE THOUGHT IT WAS A COMPLIMENT YOU ARE THE VIRTUAL STREET DEPARTMENT INTO DOING EVERYTHING FOR EVERYBODY AND OPTED NOT GETTING CREDIT. 
          EVEN THINGS SUCH AS THE SAFE STATIONS, IT IS AT THE CORE OF GETTING THE SET UP AND RUNNING SO I DO APPRECIATE THAT. 
          SIMILAR TO WHAT I MENTIONED TO DIRECTOR HARTZ I THINK YOU ALSO HAVE A TREMENDOUS OPPORTUNITY FOR STANDARDIZATION ACROSS THE ENTERPRISE. INCLUDING TICKETS AND REVIEWS FOR ANY IT ACQUISITION TO COME THROUGH AUTOMATICALLY AS A BACKEND FROM A BUDGETING STANDPOINT TO GET WALKING, THE CAMERAS WHICH I THINK ARE AWESOME BECAUSE YOU SERVE INTERNAL CUSTOMERS. I THINK THERE SHOULD BE ACCOUNTING BACK TO THE SOURCE DEPARTMENT AS YOUR BUDGET GOES UP THAT SHOULD BE REFLECTED ON THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BUDGET NOT YOURS NECESSARILY. IT'S ALL THE SAME MONEY AT THE END OF THE DAY BUT IT BRINGS VISIBILITY TO THE INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENTS RATHER THEN LANDING ON YOUR DOORSTEP AS WELL. 
          THE LAST THING I THINK I'VE ASKED US SEVERAL TIMES, ACTUALLY TWO THINGS, THE ERP ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR STANDARDIZATION I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MOVEMENT ON THAT AND THAT'S ALSO SOMETHING THAT AND HAS LOOKED AT THE ENTERPRISE RESOURCE PLANNING THAT IS ASSOCIATED WITH ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR STANDARDIZATION OF WHAT WE DO. THE LAST COMMENT YOU BROUGHT UP AN INTERESTING COMMENT ABOUT FLOCK CAMERAS AND I THINK WE ALL AGREE IT'S WONDERFUL THE GRANTS AVAILABLE. 
          YOUR COMMENT WAS PRETTY GERMANE BECAUSE I WAS TALKING ALL THE DEPARTMENTS ARE THE GRANTS THAT WE SHOULD BE DOING AND I WAS TALKING ABOUT A GRANT OF CLIMATE ADVISORY MALE MOSQUITO GRANT GURU TO SCAN AND LOOK FOR THOSE SO RATHER THAN YOU HAVING TO GO OUT AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT LOOK AT CONSIDERING IN THE FUTURE WHETHER IT IS A CONTRACTOR IN AN INTERNAL RESOURCE LOOKING FOR THESE GRANTS, I BELIEVE THERE WILL BE MONEY ON THE TABLE FOR SOME OF THE OPPORTUNITIES. 
          I APPRECIATE WHAT YOUR DEPARTMENT DOES AND I LOOK FORWARD TO TOURING YOUR OWN FACILITY IN OCTOBER IS THAT WHEN 
          YOU WILL BE UP AND RUNNING. >> I MIGHT REMIND EVERYONE THAT WE HAVE A FIRM IN WASHINGTON, D.C. SIMON COMPANY USED FOR OVER 15 YEARS NOW THAT HELPS IDENTIFY FEDERAL GRANTS. 
          AND THOSE GRANTS I RECEIVED TWO OPPORTUNITIES AND FORWARD THEM ON TO THE APPROPRIATE DEPARTMENT HEADS TO FOLLOW UP ON THEM. 
          WHAT IS MISSING IN THIS PROCESS IS AWARE OF THE OPPORTUNITIES WITH COMMUNICATION AND SOMEONE WOULD BE A GRANT RIDER BUT I HAVE NOT FELT LIKE WE HAVE ENOUGH VOLUME YET TO HAVE A FULL-TIME GRANT RIDER WORKING FOR THE CITY BUT WE DO IDENTIFY THE OPPORTUNITY AND THEIR HANDLE DEPARTMENT BY DEPARTMENT, EVERY STATE IS DIFFERENT I GET GRANTS FOR THE SCHOOLS AND I SENT THOSE ON TO THE SCHOOL SUPERINTENDENT SO HE IS AWARE OF THEM. 
          >> I DO APPRECIATE THAT BUT I THINK IT'S ONE THING TO IDENTIFY THEM AND ANOTHER THING TO DO THAT, WHEN YOU'RE ASKING PRESENTED UNDER BUSY DEPARTMENT HEADS TO ADD ADDITIONAL GRANT WRITING AND I APPLY FOR A NATIONAL SCIENCE FOUNDATION GRANT IT IS A LANGUAGE UNTO ITSELF, IT IS HARD FOR BUSY DEPARTMENT HEADS TO DO THAT. IT IS A SUGGESTION WHETHER% CONTRACTING WITH A GRANT RIDER OR DOING SOMETHING INTERNALLY. 
          I KNOW IN A NUMBER OF FEDERAL GRANTS YOU CAN BAKE IN THE COST OF THE SERVICES INTO THE ADMINISTRATIVE OPPONENT OF THE GRANTS. IT IS A SUGGESTION ON HOW WE 
          MIGHT LEVERAGE THAT. >> CERTAIN DEPARTMENTS WE MAY DO THAT IN ENGINEERING AND MONEY NOT ALL BUT THE VAST MAJORITY AND WE DO IT IN-HOUSE OR USE THE FIRMS THAT WE WOULD INTEND TO 
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USE TO DO THE ENGINEERED DRAWINGS AND CONSULTING ENGINEERS. THAT IS PARTICULAR EXPERTISE AND GENERALIZED GRANT RIDER MAY NOT FULLY UNDERSTAND AND HAVING 70 AND CONTRACT MAKING SENSE, WILL TAKE THAT UNDER ADVISEMENT. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR INFORMATION AND COMMUNICATION. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH, I APPRECIATE IT DIRECTOR. 
          NEXT WE HAVE BROOKSHIRE HEALTH CLUB. 
          GOOD MORNING COUNSELOR, GENERAL MANAGER AT BROOKSHIRE GOLF CLUB. 
          AGAIN AS A LOT OF THE OTHER DEPARTMENT SAID OUR BUDGET IS PRETTY STANDARD EVERY YEAR A SLIGHT INCREASE URINARY AND THE COST-OF-LIVING INCREASES ALWAYS ONE THING THAT WE AGREE WITH ON THE CITY SIDE AND ONE THING YOU WANT TO POINT OUT INDUSTRY STANDARDS ARE GOLF COURSE OPERATORS IN A PERSONAL BUDGET OF 40% IN THE NORMAL GOLF COURSES 62, 65%, WE WILL POINT THAT OUT. AS FAR AS TOLL SUFFICE, WE KEPT EVERYTHING THE SAME AND DROPPED A COUPLE OF THINGS $500 NOT A WHOLE LOT THERE. AND SERVICES, ELECTRICITY, WATER AND SEWER BASICALLY WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF WHAT THOSE RATES ARE, THEY HAVE BEEN INCREASING ESPECIALLY WITH THE NEWER BUILDING IN THE AMOUNT OF USE THAT IS GIVING. 
          THE GROUND MAINTENANCE CATEGORY AND WHAT WE PUT OFF HER DIVISOR AND PLANT PROJECTORS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THOSE COSTS HAVE GONE UP IMMENSELY I HAVE NOT READ THAT NUMBER AT A COUPLE OF YEARS. BASICALLY PHOSPHORUS, NITROGEN THOSE THINGS HAVE LOOSENED ENOUGH AND IT'S TIME WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT CREDIT CARD FEES WE USED TO GET A CHECK NOW AND AGAIN, BUT NOT ANYMORE AND WE HAVE TO PAY A PERCENTAGE ON EACH TRANSACTION THAT GOES THROUGH ON A CREDIT CARD. 
          AN ISSUE WE DID SOMETHING DIFFERENT. 
          AS BETA MIDDLEMAN WE HAVE TO PAY FOR IT TO PASS IT ON. 
          AND WILL PROBABLY MAKE IT SEVEN OFF OF THE FIVE. 
          OTHER THAN THAT THERE'S NOT MANY CHANGES. 
          >> VERY GOOD, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. 
          COUNSELOR. >> I HAD A CHANCE TO SIT DOWN WITH YOU AND I APPRECIATE THAT YOUR BUDGET IS RELATIVELY FLAT. 
          I KNOW I ASKED ABOUT THE TOP TWO, THE HR DIRECTOR YOU EXPLAINED WHERE THAT COMES FROM THE WRITING WAGES TO COMPETE ARE THOSE STEP COST INCREASES IS THAT WHAT THOSE ARE I'VE NOT 
          SEEN ANOTHER BUDGET. >> WE DO A LOT OF PART-TIME. 
          THE MINIMUM WAGE HAS NOT CHANGED BUT THE MINIMAL ACCEPTABLE FOR EMPLOYEES HAS CHANGED AND WHAT WE WERE DOING FOR $10 AN HOUR IS $15 AN HOUR. THIS YEAR MIGHT BE CLOSE BUT IS NOT ANYWHERE NEAR THE PART-TIME NUMBER BECAUSE IT'S HARD TO FIND EMPLOYEES AND WE DID FIND EMPLOYEES IMPARTED THAT BECAUSE 
          WE RAISED. >> I APPRECIATE IT IS NOT A LARGE AMOUNT IT MAKES SENSE PARTICULARLY IN THAT SEGMENT OF PART-TIME THAT YOU INCREASE. THANK YOU I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          AND I THINK ALL OF THESE MAKE SENSE. 
          WE DID TALK ABOUT NEXT YEAR'S CONVERSATION OF PROVIDING SOME SHADE ON THE NORTH SIDE OR THE EAST SIDE. 
          >> THE SOUTHEAST SIDE LOOKING AT THAT PERHAPS NEXT YEAR OR BEYOND BECAUSE THAT INCREASES REVENUE FOR THE CONTRACTOR, IS THAT 
          RIGHT. >> WE GOT A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT PRICES ONE FOR COMPLETE ENCLOSURE AND ONE FOR SHADING AND WE THOUGHT WITH THE CONTRACT COMING UP WITH THE CONTRACTOR THAT IS SOMETHING WE SHOULD INCLUDE WITHIN THE AGENCY. 
          >> THANK YOU. >> YES COUNSELOR CAMPBELL. 
          >> WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT SHADE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, WHY ARE WE STILL TALKING ABOUT IT. IT SEEMS LIKE AN EASY FIX AND WOULD GENERATE A LOT OF INCOME AND WERE STILL TALKING ABOUT IT. 
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          >> THE MAIN REASON I DON'T KNOW THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT FOR GOLF COURSE WILL BE SEEN I THINK RETURN WILL BE SEEN FOR THE CONTRACTOR BECAUSE THEY DO A LOT MORE ACTIVITIES OUT THERE AND THEY CAN USE A SPACE WITH USING THE INSIDE AREA FOR WEDDINGS AND WE GET A PERCENTAGE OF WHAT THEY MAKE, 2%, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT WOULD PAY FOR ITSELF OVER A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME. 
          PROBABLY THE BEST BET AS WE GO BACK TO CONTRACT WITH THEM TO INCLUDE THAT AS AN AND GIVE US WHAT THEY MAKE. 
          >> AGAIN THAT WAS EXPLANATION THAT ADAM AND I GOT AND I THINK IT DOES MAKE SOME SENSE. WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT OFF-LINE BUT I THINK IN THE CONTEXT OF INCREASED UTILIZATION IT DOES MAKE SENSE BUT IT WOULD MAYBE HAVE TO BE WITH A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS AND I THINK ALL PARKING THE MOST COST-EFFECTIVE WOULD BE NICE LOOKING SALES ESSAY ILS WHAT WOULD THOSE 
          BALLPARK. >> WE HAVE TO COVER THE WHOLE 
          AREA AROUND 60000. >> IN THAT WE USE UMBRELLAS A A LOT LESS COST. WHEN WE PUT A PERMANENT STRUCTURE AND WHAT IS PROPOSED A PERMANENT STRUCTURE ICY RESTAURANTS DO THIS ADDITION IT IS PERMANENT AND THE RUSSIANS DON'T FEEL THAT THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE APPROVAL PROCESS FOR THE ROOM ADDITION WHICH IS IN ESSENCE WHAT IT IS AND I THINK WE HAD A SET THE EXAMPLE IN OUR BUILDINGS BEEN APPROVED INTO ADD IN ADDITION TO IT, IT IS A SHADE COVERING AND IS BEING HONEST IN THE WHOLE PROCESS. AND I NEED TO SPEND THE MONEY AND IT BENEFITS OUR CONTRACTOR FAR MORE THAN IT BENEFITS THE CITY SHORT. WE'VE USED UMBRELLAS A LONG TIME 
          IN THAT WOULDN'T WORK. >> TECHNOLOGY DOES EVOLVE. 
          >> TECHNOLOGY DOES. ANYTHING ELSE REGARDING, VERY GOOD, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. DO WE NEED A BREAK OR DO YOU WANT TO KEEP PUSHING. I WAS SHOOTING FOR A 10:00 O'CLOCK BREAK BUT I WANT TO BE RESPECTFUL OF EVERYBODY 
          APPEAR, CAN WE KEEP GOING. >> 10:00 O'CLOCK, VERY GOOD. 
          LET'S GO TO THE MAYOR'S BUDGET. HOW ARE THE COUNSELORS PLAYING ALONG AT HOME DOING, ANY QUESTIONS? 
          >> DOING GREAT. >> I'M TESTING TO SEE IF YOU'RE 
          PAYING ATTENTION. >> THAT WAS THE TEST, YOU PASS. 
          >> GOOD MORNING JIM KREIDER I AM NOT THE MAYOR BUT I KNOW HIM AND I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THE BUDGET REALLY QUICK. 
          REALLY THERE IS VERY LITTLE CHANGE LET ME HIGHLIGHT A COUPLE OF THINGS AND STAY STEADY FROM LAST YEAR. 
          ONLY TWO CHANGES TO HIGHLIGHT ONE AS A SUPPORT FOR THE ARTS LINE THAT IS GOING TO ADJUST EVERY YEAR BECAUSE IT IS 1% OF THE GENERAL FUND BUDGET. WHEN WE MADE THE CALCULATION THAT CAME UP WITH THIS NUMBER THE DRAFT BUDGET WAS A LITTLE BIT HIGHER. IT CURRENTLY IS BEING PRESENTED A LITTLE BIT LOWER SO THAT NUMBER IS GOING TO DROP CLOSER TO ONE POINT 365 MILLION WHICH IS $74000 MORE THAN LAST YEAR. 
          THE WAY FOR CLARIFICATION OF THE WAY THAT WE CALCULATE THAT, WE TAKE THE PROPOSED BUDGET THE GENERAL FUND PART AND WE TAKE THIS PARTICULAR LINE INPUT IS 0 WHEN IT, ADD THE TOTAL AND 1% OF THE TOTAL AND THAT GOES BACK INTO THE OUTLINE PREVIOUS 1% OF THE GENERAL FUND BUDGET WITH THIS LINE TO MAKE THE CALCULATION IF THAT MAKES SENSE. THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT YOU SEE BELOW IT A SLIGHT INCREASE IN THE ORGANIZATIONAL DUES AND MEMBERSHIP IN A THINK THE U.S. CONFERENCE OF MAYORS IS THE MAJORITY OF THAT AND I THINK THEY RAISE THE AMOUNT OF MONEY 
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THAT THEY ARE ASKING FOR. FOR THE FIRST TIME IN A DECADE THAT IS THE VAST MAJORITY FROM THE $16000 TOTAL. 
          >> ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE MAYOR'S BUDGET. 
          >> OKAY, WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE BOARD OF PUBLIC WORKS. 
          >> THE BOARD OF PUBLIC WORKS THERE IS NOT A LOT TO BRIEF ON THIS ONE. YOU HAVE THE SALARIES FOR BOARD MEMBERS UP AT THE TOP AND EVERYTHING ELSE BELOW THAT IS SCHEDULED PAYMENTS PRIMARILY PAID FOR WITH LOCAL INCOME TAX BUT THESE ARE BONDS THAT HAVE BEEN TAKEN OUT THEY HAVE BEEN THERE FOR A WHILE AND THERE ON COURSE WITH THE SCHEDULE WITH THE BOND WAS STARTED. THERE'S NOT ANY PARTICULAR DECISION THAT ANYBODY IS MAKING WE JUST PLUG IN THE PARTICULAR NUMBERS TO MAKE SURE THE BONDS ARE PAID. 
          >> ALRIGHT. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY CONCERNS 
          OR QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? >> I WILL MOVE ON TO COMMUNITY RELATIONS AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. 
          1203. >> GOOD MORNING. 
          >> THE COMMUNITY RELATION AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT HAS A 9% INCREASE OVERALL 3% INCREASE IN HR OR IN THE PERSONNEL LINE ITEMS HIS RECOMMENDATION FROM HR THERE'S NO NEW EMPLOYEES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. IF YOU GO DOWN THE NEXT INCREASE YOU WILL SEE THE CITY PROMOTIONAL ADVERTISING AND THAT'S BASED ON THE FACT THAT WE HAVE INCREASED MONTHLY AND WE ADDED THE INDIANAPOLIS RECORDER AND THERE'S A NEW MAGAZINE THE CARMEL LIFESTYLE MAGAZINE AND WE TEND TO BRANCH OUT INTO THAT AS WELL. WE ASSESS EVERY YEAR END TRY TO FIGURE OUT AREAS OF THE COMMUNITY WHERE WE FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO PUT PLACEMENTS AND THAT'S WHAT THAT'S BASED ON. 
          IF YOU GO DOWN INTO EXTERNAL INSTRUCTION FEES THERE IS A 93% INCREASE WHICH SOUNDS HUGE BUT THERE'S ONLY $5000 TO BEGIN WITH SO THE ADDITIONAL $5000 IS ADDITIONAL TEAMBUILDING EXERCISES AND PEOPLE IN DIFFERENT LOCATIONS AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO GET TOGETHER AND MAKE SURE WE CAN COOPERATE AND UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER AS A TEAM SO WE STARTED TEAMBUILDING EXERCISES THROUGHOUT THE YEAR IN ADDITIONAL CONFERENCE OPPORTUNITIES. GOING ON DOWN TO FESTIVAL IN COMMUNITY EVENTS THERE'S A 13% INCREASE THEIR AND THAT IS FOR ADDITIONAL PROGRAMMING AND WE APPRECIATE SERIOUSLY'S INVESTMENT IN THE TECHNOLOGY THAT WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO CHANGE THE SHOWS THAT ARE DONE THERE. 
          THAT IS PART OF THAT. WE ALSO CITY COUNCIL COMMUNITY OUTREACH AND LIKE TO CONTINUE SOME OF THOSE TOWN HALL MEETINGS THAT YOU DO AND SUPPORT THOSE IN A WAY AND I KNOW WHEN THE HOMEPLACE AREA CAME INTO CARMEL WE AD A NICE COOKOUT AT THE FIRE STATION THERE AND IT WAS OUR INTENT TO CONTINUE TO DO THOSE IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE CITY THE EARTH NETWORK STATION ANDAS ALWAYS A PUBLIC SAFETY IS NUMBER ONE IN OUR EVENTS SO THAT HELPS US WITH LIGHTNING ALERTS IN THE PROTOCOLS THAT WE HAVE 
          FOR WHETHER AN OUTDOOR EVENT. >> INTO DOING ONTO ECONOMIC DEVELOPER. WE HAVE A 2% INCREASE THEIR THAT IS ADDITIONAL PROGRAMMING WITH THE SISTER CITIES WE WERE GONE FROM 2 - 5 AND ADD A FEW MORE AND I WILL GIVE PROGRAMMING MONEY FOR THE OUTREACH. WE ALSO HAVE INCREASED ONE'S OWN MEMBERSHIP LEVEL AND WE FIND THEM TO BE VERY GOOD COMMUNITY PARTNERS AND WE JUST WANT TO ACCESS ALL OF THE ASSETS THAT THEY HAVE THERE. THEN WE ALSO HAVE ADDITIONAL INTENT TO OPEN ADDITIONAL ALL THINGS CARMEL STORE WE HAVE THE WOOD ON MAIN STREET WHICH SERVES AS OUR VISITOR CENTER AND ALSO ALL THINGS CARMEL PRODUCTS IN LOCAL VENDORS AS WELL AND WITH THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY BILLED UNDER BUILDING WE INTEND TO HAVE ANOTHER ALL THINGS CARMEL STORE IN THEIR WHICH WE SEE IS ANOTHER GOOD HOME BASE AND SO THAT IS TO HIRE A MANAGER FOR THE STORE AND 
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GET INVENTORY AND SET UP A NEW WEBSITE FOR ONLINE SALES. 
          WE ANTICIPATE HAVING TO DO THAT LATE NEXT YEAR AS THE BUILDING COMES ONLINE IN THE FOLLOWING YEAR. 
          WE HAVE ONE AT A 6% INCREASE IN HARDWARE WHICH AGAIN SOUNDS HUGE BUT THERE'S ONLY $7000 TO BEGIN WITH MAKING SURE WE ARE SUPPORTING THAT. WE HAVE SOME THINGS THAT WE TALK ABOUT BRITISH TRYING TO UPGRADE SOME OF THAT. 
          THAT IS IT. >> ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS BUDGET 1203. COUNSELOR CAMPBELL. 
          >> THANK YOU. >> I'M JUST CURIOUS. 
          I THINK WERE GETTING KICKBACKS FROM ADAM. 
          ADAM CAN YOU GO ON MUTE FOR A MINUTE AND I WILL CALL ON YOU. 
          >> NANCY, I DON'T NEED THIS ANSWER TODAY BUT OFFHAND WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE CITY ADVERTISING BUDGET IS DIGITAL 
          VERSUS. >> MOST OF THE BUDGET IS. 
          , FOR EXAMPLE CURRENT IN CARMELS AN ONLINE ASSET BUT WE DON'T PAY ADDITIONAL FOR THE BANNER HEADS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          I WOULD HAVE TO FIND OUT THERE EACH YEAR WE CHANGE AND I DON'T HOW MUCH IS DIGITAL. IF YOU MEAN A BANNER HEAD THAT GOES OUT ON FACEBOOK WE DO PLAY SOME FACEBOOK POSTS BUT MOST OF 
          WHAT THAT IS IS AND. >> OKAY, DOES NOT INCLUDE ALSO ANY NATIONAL ADVERTISING THAT YOU MIGHT DO FOR THE CITY OR DO 
          WE DO ANY NATIONAL ADVERTISING. >> REGIONALLY WE USE TRAVELING AND THAT GOES TO THE LARGER CITIES SURROUNDED THE STATE OF INDIANA AND WE PUT IN OUR FOUR PAGE INSERT IN THE SPRING AND SUMMER IN THE GALLERY GUIDE THAT WE DO IN THE BENEFIT WE DO THE LAYOUT AND THEY PLACE AND WE DO OVERRUN SO THE BROCHURES ARE THE ANSWERS THAT GO INTO THE PUBLICATION. 
          WE ALSO PLACE NATIONALLY IN GERMAN LIFE AND THEN THE AIR MAGAZINE CARMEL ON CAMPUS WHICH IS A NATIONAL EVENT AS WELL. 
          WE REALLY USE EARNED MEDIA FOR ATTACHED INTERNATIONAL ATTENTION AND THAT'S WITH THE MEDIA CONSULTANT COMES IN BUT THAT IS EARNED MEDIA AND WE TRY TO FOCUS ON THAT. 
          >> NANCY I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A SUGGESTION. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE AMOUNT FOR CITY COUNCIL AS A SEPARATE LINE ITEM. I THINK THAT WOULD BE MORE TRANSPARENT AND IF YOU COULD MAKE THAT HAPPEN I THINK IT WOULD BE EASIER TO TRACK SHOULD SURVIVE THE PROCESS. 
          I KNOW IT WAS A REQUEST AND I APPRECIATE YOU PUTTING IT INTO YOUR BUDGET. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT SEPARATED OUT. COULD YOU SHARE THE DOLLAR AMOUNT, I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT AN AMOUNT PER COUNCIL DISTRICT. 
          >> THE TOTAL AMOUNT IS 10500. >> BASED ON ROUGHLY A THOUSAND 
          DOLLARS KIND OF THING? >> YES. 
          >> THAT WAS IN THE SPIRIT OF TRANSPARENCY TO GIVE CITY COUNSELORS THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMMUNICATE WITH CONSTITUENTS AGAIN IF THAT MAKES IT THROUGH ANY CUTS THAT MAY BE COMING. 
          >> I'M SURE THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE SMARTER THAN ME I CAN MAKE THAT BUT I AM NOT THAT PERSON. 
          >> VERY GOOD.% >> I WANTED TO CLARIFY. 
          COUNSELOR. >> DIRECTOR THANK YOU FOR YOUR YEARS OF SERVICE. I HAVE ONE QUESTION IN A COUPLE OF COMMENTS. YOUR BUDGET IS UP TO $5 MILLION. 
          OTHER CITIES OUR SIZE HAVE BROKEN OUT SEPARATELY TO COMMUNITY RELATIONSHIPS AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. 
          WE HAVE A NEW ADMINISTRATION COMING IN WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS SHOULD THEY BE UNDER ONE BELLA OR SHOULD THEY BE CLEARLY SEPARATED. I WOULD LIKE TO GET YOUR OPINION 
          ON THAT. >> I WOULD SAY THE CITY OF CARMEL DOES ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIFFERENTLY THAN MOST CITIES. 
          I KNOW MANY CITIES ARE CHANGING TO THE THOUGHT PROCESS THAT MAYOR BRAINARD HAS HAD FOR SOME TIME AND THAT IS ECONOMIC 
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DEVELOPMENT GOES INTO MAKING OUR CITY THE CITY WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE IN CEOS WANT TO LIVE AND WORKERS WANT TO LIVE SO BUSINESSES KNOW THEY CAN LOCATE HERE AND FIND WORKERS HERE. 
          INVESTING INSTEAD OF GIVING INCENTIVES TO COMPANIES MOVING HERE WE MAKE SURE THE ENTIRE CITY IS ONE IN WHICH EMPLOYEES WANT TO LIVE AND THEREFORE EMPLOYERS WANT TO LOCATE SO WE DON'T SPEND TIME TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WE WILL NEVER WIN THE SQUARE-FOOT GAME. WE ARE NOT THE CHEAPEST REAL ESTATE AND WE DON'T INTEND TO BE. 
          IT MAKES SENSE TO INCLUDE ECONOMIC DEVELOPER WITH COMMUNITY RELATIONS AND A LOT OF THE COMMUNITY BUILDIN THAT WE ARE DOING HIS WITH THE INTENT TO LURE BUSINESSES HERE. 
          >> I UNDERSTAND THERE IS A LOT OF OVERLAP. 
          IT'S SUCH A BIG JOB AND ALL COMES UNDER ONE DIRECTORY THEY ARE SEPARATE BUT RELATED. IT'S A THOUGHT AND WILL BE UP TO THE NEW CHIEF EXECUTIVE WHETHER THEY SPLIT THEM OUR KEEP THEM 
          UNDER IT. >> CAN I EXPAND. 
          >> I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR YOUR COMMENTS AND THEN I HAVE A 
          COUPLE OF OTHER COMMENTS. >> IT IS A GOOD QUESTION AND ONE THAT WE THOUGHT ABOUT LONG AND HARD OVER THE YEARS. 
          I THINK THERE WOULD BE A LOT OF INEFFICIENCIES BY SEPARATING THE TWO BECAUSE THEY ARE TIED TOGETHER. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CARMEL HAS MANAGED TO DO THAT MOST CITIES HAVEN'T IS TO HAVE A SUCCESSFUL DOWNTOWN TRADE A LOT OF THAT IS DRIVEN BY GETTING PEOPLE TO DOWNTOWN NOT ONLY THROUGH CITY DESIGN AND AN OUT FREE PARKING ALL OF THOSE THINGS BUT EVENTS THAT THEY WANT TO COME TO IN THOSE EVENTS DRIVE BUSINESS FOR THE RESTAURANT IN BUSINESS FOR SMALL SHOPS AND BUSINESSES AND OFFICES WANT TO LOCATE HERE BECAUSE A LOT OF THINGS ARE HAPPENING AFTER WORK AND WE MANAGED TO CREATED DOWNTOWN AND THAT'S A BIG PART IN SUPPORTING A PUBLIC AIRWAYS TO PUT A BILLION-DOLLAR CAMPUS IN THE CITY A LOT OF IT WHY THEY WANT TO DO THAT IS BECAUSE WE HAVE A GREAT FUN DOWNTOWN FILLED WITH LOTS OF ACTIVITY IN THE EVENTS MAY SEEM LIKE THERE EVENTS AND THOSE WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN MANY WAYS TO DRIVE ATTENDANCE AT THE SMALL BUSINESSES WITH HOW MANY DOWNTOWNS WE'VE DRIVEN THROUGH IN THIS COUNTRY WHERE WE SEE ANTIQUE STORES THAT ARE BARELY OPEN AND THAT IS ABOUT IT. 
          WE'VE GONE A DIFFERENT DIRECTION. 
          I THINK THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS PARTICULARLY SMALL RETAIL BUSINESS AND TIED TO COMMUNITY RELATIONS AND MARKETING CITY. 
          THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS. >> THANK YOU FIVE AN ISSUE WITH TWO THINGS IN THE BUDGET AND BETWEEN NOW AND WHEN IT GETS APPROVED ALSO WHETHER I'M THE ONLY ONE OR A QUORUM THAT HAS THESE ISSUES. ONE IS PUTTING THE PROGRAMMING FOR THE PROVIDED SCOPE ON OUR BUDGET THE CITY COUNCIL DID NOT APPROVE THAT CAME FROM THE CRC WITHOUT OUR REVIEW OR APPROVAL OR FOR THAT MATTER THE PERFORMING ARTS THE PUBLIC ARTS REVIEW COMMITTEE DID NOT HAVE A CHOP ON THAT IN MY FEELING THE PROGRAM SHOULD GO BACK TO CRC NOT TO US BECAUSE WE DID NOT APPROVE IT. ALSO HARBOR MY SECOND ALL THINGS CARMEL STORE ROOM NOT SURE WE NEED A SINGLE ONE SO PERHAPS RELOCATING FROM RETAIL TO HISTORICAL BUT I AM NOT SUPPORTIVE OF TWO OF THOSE BUT AGAIN I'LL FIND OUT IF I'M THE 
          ONLY ONE. >> THE SERIOUSLY IS ALLOWED BY STATE LAW TO INVEST IN THINGS BUT THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO USE THEIR FUNDING FOR OPERATION. SO WE'VE ALWAYS TAKEN THE APPROACH ONCE SOMETHING IS BILL IT COMES OVER TO THE CITY SIDE. 
          THAT INCLUDES GARAGES BUT THE SERIOUSLY HAS BUILT OUT OF TIF FUNDS, THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO USE THOSE FUNDS TO MAINTAIN THE GARAGE'S ONGOING BASIS SO WE PAY FOR THAT OUT OF THE CIVIL CITY BUDGET AND SAME THING WITH THE LIGHT SHOW TO DRIVE PEOPLE DOWN TO DOWNTOWN AREA. ONE THING THAT'S WHERE THE CRC BE IN THE GENERAL FUND BUDGET THAT THEY USED TO OPERATE THEIR STAFF WITH I SUPPOSE BUT IT'S REALLY GOING TO BE MANAGED BY COMMUNITY RELATIONS AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. 
          BUT THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO USE TIF FUNDS FOR OPERATIONS ONCE 
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SOMETHING IS BUILT. I SHOULD POINT OUT ONE THING THAT OCCURRED TO US CHRIS KENDALL MARK IS SO SUCCESSFUL BETWEEN 450,500,000 PEOPLE THERE THIS YEAR AND I WAS LOOKING AT THE ATTENDANCE FIGURES INDIANAPOLIS 500 IS ALMOST DOUBLE KNEE THINK ABOUT HELP THE BRING STAR RESTAURANTS AND SMALL BUSINESSES NOT ONLY DOUBLE BUT SPREAD OUT OVER SIX AND A HALF WEEK. WHERE THE INDIANAPOLIS 500 IS SPREAD OUT OVER ONE WEEKEND IN TWO OR THR OTHER WEEKENDS. 
          RELOOK AT EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK AND IT PUSHES PEOPLE ALL OVER FOR A MUCH LONGER PERIOD OF TIME AS WELL. 
          >> I APPRECIATE THE TECHNICAL RATIONALE. 
          I BROUGHT UP PREVIOUSLY THE TIF STATUTE ALLOWS PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE I DON'T CONSIDER LIGHT SHOWS AND ROUNDABOUT TO BE REPUBLICAN FOR STRUCTURE. WILL DISAGREE TO AGREE ON THAT. 
          THIS MAY BE MY PERSONAL OPINION AND NOT TALK WITH THE FELLOW COUNSELORS ABOUT THE ITEMS. THANK YOU. 
          >> IT OCCURRED TO ME THIS IS TERESA'S FIRST BUDGET SESSION IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO HER AND THE REST OF US IF YOU COULD BREAK OUT TO THE COMMUNITY EVENTS JUST SO SHE CAN SEE WHAT YOU'RE INVESTING WITH WE TALKED REALLY QUICKLY YESTERDAY AND I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPLESS RECENT DON'T MIND HIM SPEAKING FOR YOU BUT I FEEL LIKE THAT'S A BIG BUDGET ITEM AND WE'VE HAD YEARS OF WRAPPING HER ARMS AROUND AND IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL AND AS A 
          REMINDER. >> SURE I'LL SAY ONE THINGS ABOUT THE ALL CARMEL STORE IF YOU LOOK AT THE FACT WERE A CITY OF 100,000 NOW MOST CITIES SMALLER OR LARGER HAVE A VISITOR CENTER WHEN YOU COME TO TOWN INTO PLACE WHERE YOU GET MAPS AND FIND OUT THINGS AND HE CAN BUY PRODUCTS ABOUT THE PLACE OR THAT HAVE THE CARMEL BRAND ON THEM AND WE LOOK ALL THINGS CARMEL STORE VERY MUCH IN THAT VEIN SO THAT THE VISITOR CENTER AND BRANDED ITEMS BUT ALSO THINGS THAT ARE MADE LOCALLY IN ADDITION TO THE OTHER ART GALLERIES THAT ARE THERE. 
          GOING TO THE PUBLIC EVENTS AND FESTIVALS THAT WE HOLD. 
          ALIST OF FEE WITH THEM AND THAT MIGHT EXPLAIN SOME OF THOSE THINGS WE DO THE SECOND SATURDAY GALLERY WALK MEET BEYOND MAIN WE TRY TO HAVE COMMUNITY INTERACTION AT THE EVENTS AND TO DRAW ATTENTION TO THE ART GALLERIES THAT ARE THERE AND THE SHOPS ON MAIN STREET, THUS EARLIEST REDEVELOPED AREAS SO WE FEEL IS IMPORTANT TO INTERACT WHAT IS GOING ON THERE WE HAVE A MIDTOWN BLOCK PARTY AT MIDTOWN PLAZA AND EVERY YEAR WE LOOK AT OUR EVENTS AND ASSESS WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE MIDTOWN BLOCK PARTY IS MEANT AS OUR EVENT KICKOFF WE HAVE A LOT OF ACTIVITIES GOING ON AND WE ALSO SHARE OUR LINEUP OF EVENTS AT THAT EVENT THE FESTIVAL LIES HAPPENS IN JANUARY THAT'S WHEN THE ICE CARVERS COMMON AND THEY DO CARVINGS ALONG MAIN STREET AND ALSO IN THE ICE SCREEN AND WE ATTEMPT TO HAVE A DENSITY AND PROGRAM MEANS ALL SEASON IN THE CARMEL WINTER GAMES THAT HAPPENED IN FEBRUARY ARE WAYS TO ENGAGE IN THAT AREA AS WELL AND GET PEOPLE TO ENJOY THE FRESH AIR. 
          IT IS A TIME OF YEAR THE PEOPLE GET A LOT OF FATIGUE WITH THE GRAY SKIES ARE GETTING FRESH AIR IS VERY GOOD FOR MENTAL AND 
          PHYSICAL HEALTH FOR COMMUNITY. >> EXCUSE ME. 
          TO ME CENTER TALKING ABOUT BUDGET IS THERE ANY WAY TO ATTACH A DOLLAR AMOUNT WHILE YOU'RE RATTLING THROUGH THEM OR DO YOU NOT HAVE THEM FRONT OF YOU. 
          >> WE HAVE THAT BUT I DON'T HAVE IT WITH ME. 
          >> I WILL QUICKLY GO THROUGH WITH MOVIES IN MUSICIAN AT MIDTOWN SO WE TRY TO ENGAGE PEOPLE IN THE AREA AND BRING FAMILIES AND AN ART MOBILITY A HAPPENS IN ARTS AND DESIGN DISTRICT IN THE CARMEL ON CAMPUS THAT HAPPENED BRINGS AN ARTIST FROM ACROSS THE COUNTRY TO ENGAGE IN A LOT OF EXPLANATION BEHIND EACH OF THEM BUT THE REASON WE DO THIS EVENT IS TO DRAW NATIONAL ATTENTION TO THE ARTS AND DESIGN IN CITY IN GENERAL AND HOW BEAUTIFUL ARCHITECTURE AND AMBIENCE BECAUSE ARTIST PAINT PICTURES OF CARMEL OR CHALK DRAWINGS AND THEY TAKE THEM BACK TO THE GALLERIES AND PEOPLE QUESTION WHERE ARE THE PLACES AND WHO ARE THE PEOPLE WE GET A LOT OF LOCALS WHO BY THE ART WHILE THEY ARE HERE SO IT ALLOWS THEM TO ENJOY THAT AS WELL WE ALSO HAVE THE CHINESE MOON CAKE FESTIVAL IS A ROBUST SISTER CITY EVENT THAT WE HAVE. 
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WE ALSO HAVE OKTOBERFEST AND HAVE AN EVENT TO DRAW PEOPLE TO AN AREA WE HAVE REASONS BEHIND WHY WE DO THESE OFFENSIVE THIS IS TO DRAW ATTENTION TO THE PLAZA LEVEL AT CITY CENTER YOU CAN DRIVE-BY AT CITY CENTER AND SEE ALL THE SHOPS BUT MOST PEOPLE DO NOT TAKE THE TIME TO SEE THE CAKE BACON ADDENDUM AND A LOT OF THE SHOPS AND RESTAURANTS THAT ARE THERE WHILE EVERYBODY SUGGEST YOU SHOULD MOVE THIS TO CARTER GREEN IT'S GOTTEN SO BIG THAT IS NOT THE REASON WE HAVE IT COULD BE BIGGER BUT OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH CITY CENTER AND THAT GROUP IS IMPORTANT TO GET PEOPLE INTO THE SHOPS, THEY STAY OPEN AND THEY LEARN AND GET A LOT OF NEW CUSTOMERS WHO SHOP THAT NIGHT OR COME BACK LATER. WE HAVE THE ARTS IN AUTUMN ANOTHER ENGAGEMENT IN THE MIDTOWN AREA AND A LOT OF OF THAT IS HAPPENING AND THAT WILL EXPAND AS THAT EXPAND SOUTH. 
          THE HOLIDAY IN CARMEL IS SIX DIFFERENT EVENTS THAT WE HAVE INCLUDES EVERYTHING FROM THE SANTA TOURS TO THE HOLIDAY AND THE ARTS DISTRICT, HOLIDAY KICKOFF AT THE CHRIS KENDALL MARKET PET DAY WITH SANTA AND ALL THOSE LITTLE THINGS THAT WE DO AND THEN WE HAVE CEREMONIES, MLK DAY AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR, MEMORIAL DAY, HOLOCAUST CEREMONY, VETERANS DAY, THOSE ARE OFFICIAL CEREMOIES THAT WE DO. 
          THEN WE HAVE PARTNERSHIPS WITH OTHER NONPROFITS THE GAZEBO CONCERT, PORCH FEST LATE NIGHT ON MAIN THAT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE OF A LOCAL NOT-FOR-PROFIT THAT TOOK OVER THE LATE-NIGHT ON MAIN THAT WE WERE DOING IN OUR DEPARTMENT BUT WE HELP SUPPORT THEM, CARMEL FEST, THE INTERNATIONAL ARTS FESTIVAL. 
          THAT WAS A LOT TO TAKE IN IN A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME BUT I WOULD BE GLAD TO SIT DOWN AND GO OVER THOSE IN MORE DETAIL IF YOU WANT TO AND WE CAN TRY TO ATTACH A BROAD DOLLAR AMOUNT TO EACH OF 
          THOSE. >> I THINK THAT WOULD BE GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. COUNSELOR CAMPBELL. 
          >> I DON'T WANT TO FORGET ADAM BUT GO AHEAD. 
          >> ON ONE OF THE PEOPLE TO ASK ABOUT OKTOBERFEST BEING MOVED TO CARTER GREEN BECAUSE WHAT WE LEARNED THROUGH HER DISABILITY COMMITTEE IT IS NOT AN ACCESSIBLE EVENT WITH PEOPLE WITH WHEELCHAIRS AND IT'S UNFORTUNATE PERIODICITY THAT IS SO WELCOMING AND WE HAVE GREAT EVENTS, THAT EVENT IS NOT ACCESSIBLE. I DO HAVE ISSUES. 
          >> RAMPS BEING BLOCKED, RAMPS NOT BEING ACCESSIBLE I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF ISSUES FOR A PUBLIC EVENT I DO HAVE AN ISSUE NOT BEING ACCESSIBLE TO ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS. 
          >> THERE MIGHT BE SOME THINGS, I WON'T SAY MIGHT THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE COULD DO WITH THE LAYOUT I WAS NOT AWARE WE WERE BLOCKING WHEELCHAIR RAMPS WE WERE PAYING ATTENTION IN THE ART TO DESIGN SO WE WILL LOOK AT OUR LAYOUT AND SEE HOW WE CAN CHANGE THAT. 
          >> WAS BROUGHT UP WITH A FEW REPRESENTATIVES FROM YOUR OFFICE WAS AT BOTH MEETINGS WHEN IT WAS BROUGHT UP BUT I CAN PUT YOU IN CONTACT WITH THE WOMAN WHO HAS EXPERIENCED THIS DIRECTLY AND I THINK IT'S AN ISSUE THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. 
          >> SURE. I THINK WE COULD EXPAND BACK INTO THE FOUNTAIN PLAZA BY ADDENDUM AND MOVE THINGS BACK THERE SO IT'S NOT ALL CONCENTRATED. 
          THANK YOU. >> COUNSELOR. 
          >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR INDULGING ME BEING VIRTUAL TODAY. I HAVE A SICK CHILD AT HOME. 
          SO TWO COMMENTS, NANCY I'VE A QUESTION MAYBE YOU CAN ANSWER SOME OF THIS FIRST ON THE FUNDING FOR THE CITY COUNCIL ENGAGEMENT. I DO SUPPORT THAT. 
          I APPRECIATE BREAKING IT UP. I HOPE WE CAN GET INTO SOME CONVERSATION AND GUIDELINES AND HOW IT CAN BE USED WHEN I WAS AT THE INDIANA STATE HOUSE THIS IS A BIG THING THAT THEY DID WITH CONSISTENT WITH OUTREACH THROUGH MAIL BUT THEY DID HAVE STRICT GUIDELINES TO MAKE SURE THAT ITS USE PROPERTY AND NEVER GETTING POLITICAL OR THINGS WITH PARTIES. 
          THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN DISCUSS DOWN THE ROAD YOU THINK ENGAGING WIH REPUBLICANS GET GOOD IDEA. THE OTHER THING ABOUT ALL THINGS CARMEL STORE. I WOULD ECHO COUNSELOR HANDED HIS COMMENTS. RETAIL IS TOUGH IT IS COSTLY BUSINESS AND IT'S A REASON WHY A LOT OF RETAIL STORES DON'T ALWAYS MAKE IT IN BEFORE WE EXPAND INTO A SECOND LOCATION I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE FINANCES OF THE EXISTING ALL THINGS CARMEL STORE. 
          EVEN SO I'M HESITANT TO APPROVE A NEW POSITION LIKE THAT WITH THE NEW MAYOR COMING IN. A NEW MAYOR DOES NOT WANT TO COMMIT AND LET SOMEBODY GO IF THIS ISN'T IN LINE WITH THEIR VISION. RIGHT NOW I'M PRETTY HESITANT OF ADDING A SECOND MANAGER FOR ALL THINGS CARMEL. 
          NANCY CAN YOU GIVE ME A LITTLE TALK HOW THE FINANCES ARE LOOKING FOR THE FIRST LOCATION OF ALL THINGS CARMEL. 
          >> THE NOT-FOR-PROFIT THAT MANAGES, PROMOTE CARMEL AS A 
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NOT-FOR-PROFIT TO ALL THINGS CARMEL WORKS UNDERNEATH AND WE GRANT MONEY TO HELP WITH ALL THINGS CARMEL STORE. 
          THEY ARE MORE SUCCESSFUL THAN THE PREDECESSOR THAT WAS THERE. 
          I DID NOT BRING THOSE FIGURES WITH ME TODAY. 
          >> MAY BE WHAT WE WILL DO IS ASK FOR A REPORT TO THE COUNCIL OR SOMETHING. MAYBE WE LEAVE IT AT THAT THAT 
          YOU CAN MAKE A REPORT. >> THE PORTION THAT IS INVOLVED AS WE COULD BUT A SEPARATE NOT-FOR-PROFIT, SOME OF WHAT PROMOTE CARMEL AS AN UPPER NOT-FOR-PROFIT NOT PUBLIC FUNDS, 
          ALL OF IT. >> ALRIGHT. 
          COUNSELOR, DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? 
          OR IS THAT ACCEPTABLE TO YOU? >> I GUESS MY THOUGHT WOULD BE IN FORGET ABOUT PUBLIC FUNDS IN THEIR I UNDERSTAND GIVING A GRANT TO A NONPROFIT BUT WE ARE CREATING A FULL-TIME SALARY POSITION WHERE A PART-TIME SALARY POSITION SO IT'S A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT I THINK I WOULD WANT TO KNOW HOW SUCCESSFUL IS THIS. THAT IS JUST MY THOUGHT. 
          >> FOR MANY NOT-FOR-PROFIT, THE PURPOSE OF THIS ENTITY IS NOT JUST TO BE A RETAIL ESTABLISHMENT MAKE MONEY. 
          IS TO BE THE VISITOR CENTER ON MAINSTREET. 
          I THINK IT'S A DUAL PURPOSE, WERE NOT JUST LOOKING TO SELL SHIRTS WHEREAFTER TRIED TO MAKE PEOPLE OR HELP PEOPLE GET ENGAGED WITH THE COMMUNITY AND WE HAVE A LOT OF RESIDENTS THAT ALSO CALL AND WANT TO KNOW IF THE KID IS GOING OFF TO COLLEGE THEY WANT TO GIVE THEM UP WITH COMMERCE STUFF, WE HAVE VISITORS COMING IN FROM TOWN AND THEY WANT TO GIVE THEM UP WITH CARMEL STUFF. WE GET A LOT OF REQUESTS FOR THINGS FROM HER RESIDENCE AND OBVIOUSLY WHEN VISITORS COME IN WE LET THEM KNOW THAT'S WHERE THEY CAN GO TO FIND OUT WHAT'S GOING ON. I KNOW THERE SEEMS TO BE A LOT OF FOCUS ON THE RETAIL ASPECT BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO LOOK AT IT AT HER AS OUR VISITO% CENTER THAT ALSO SELLS ITEMS. MOST OF US AT LEAST I DO GO TO NATIONAL INDIANA, THE VISITOR CENTER AND I LOOK AT THE MAPS AND FIND OUT WHAT'S GOING ON I FOUND OUT ABOUT THE EVENTS. IT'S MORE THAN JUST A RETAIL CENTER. BUT WE CAN GIVE YOU A BREAKDOWN OF WHERE THE PUBLIC FUNDS ARE GOING BECAUSE SOME OF THAT IS FOR STAFFING AND SUMMITS FOR INVENTORY AND SOME IS FORGETTING THE WEBSITE GEARED UP AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          >> MAYBE THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF HOW WE NEED TO HAVE SOME EDUCATION ON WHAT THE VISION IS BEHIND IT, HOW IT IS FUNDED HOW IT'S MANAGED, HOW IT'S OPERATED ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS MAYBE THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR THE COUNCIL. 
          I WANT TO RESPOND TO THE COUNSELOR, I DID BRING FORWARD THE COUNCIL WHATEVER WE ARE CALLING, OUTREACH TO COMMUNITY. 
          I HAVE JOHN OBERLANDER THAT IS RESEARCHING BEST PRACTICES WITH OTHER COMMUNITIES ON HOW TO PROPERLY CONTROL THOSE FUNDS. 
          AGAIN IF THIS MAKES THE BUDGET I WILL BE PREPARED TO PRESENT THAT AND WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A RESOLUTION. 
          >> VERY GOOD. >> I THINK IN GOING BACK TO 
          COUNSELOR CAMPBELL. >> I THINK COUNSELOR AUSTEN'S REQUEST IS REASONABLE AND IF YOU'RE BEING ASKED TO PROVIDE PUBLIC FUNDS FOR THIS POSITION WE SHOULD HAVE A BETTER IDEA AND UNDERSTANDING OF HOW FUNDS ARE SPENT OVERALL AND WHAT THE INCOME IS BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND IT S A VISITOR CENTER BUT STILL WE SHOULD HAVE SOME UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THE FUNDS 
          ARE BEING SPENT. >> COUNSELOR HANAN. 
          >> I WAS ECHOING ADAM MADE A VERY GOOD POINT UNDERSTANDING THE CURRENT FINANCES AND CURREN STRUCTURE OF WHO RUNS IT IN NOT-FOR-PROFIT RUNS IN THE MANAGEMENT THINGS LIKE THAT WOULD ALSO BE VERY GOOD FOR THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND, THANK YOU. 
          >> ABSOLUTELY, THANK YOU FOR YOUR INTEREST. 
          >> THANK YOU. >> MAY I. 
          >> THE COUNSELOR MADE ONE COMMENT AND I DON'T WANT TO BE ARGUMENTATIVE BUT I DO WOULD APPOINT HE INDICATED THE PURPOSE OF TIF FUNDS IS FOR INFRASTRUCTURE, THE STATE LAW IS MUCH BROADER THAN THAT. IN FACT AC 361441 TALKS ABOUT TIF BEING USED TO ATTRACT OR RETAIN JOBS, IMPROVE DIVERSITY OF ECONOMIC BASE, OTHER SIMILAR BENEFITS AND THAT IT REFERS TO PUBLIC HEALTH AND WELFARE BEING BENEFITED WHICH IS MUCH LARGER THAN JUST INFRASTRUCTURE. SO WITH OUR PLAN IS TO GET 
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COMPANIES TO LOCATE HERE BECAUSE THEY CAN GET THE EMPLOYEES THAT THEY NEED WHETHER IT'S PUBLIC ART, FESTIVALS, WHATEVER WE DO TO TRY TO MAKE IT A FUN AND EXCITING PLACE TO LIVE, THAT HELPS HER BUSINESS BE ABLE TO ATTRACT AND RETAIN EMPLOYEES. 
          WHICH ACCORDING TO THE STATE LAW IS MORE THAN JUST BUILDING INFRASTRUCTURE WITH THE TIF. I JUST WILL MAKE A CLARIFICATION THAT THE STATE LAW IS BROADER THAN JUST INFRASTRUCTURE PUBLIC 
          HEALTH AND WELFARE. >> ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER. 
          ALRIGHT VERY GOOD WE WILL NOW MOVE ON 2922. 
          >> THE NON- REVERTING 922% AGREED IS ACTUALLY CARTER GREEN THIS WAS CREATED WHEN IT WAS CALLED CENTER GREEN THIS IS THE FUND THAT RUNS THE ICE RINK IN THE WINTERTIME AND AGAIN, THIS IS NOT TAXPAYER FUNDS, THESE ARE FUNDS THAT ARE GENERATED BY SKATE RENTALS AND SESSIONS ON THE ICE. 
          SO THE INCREASE IS A 63% INCREASE IN WERE AT THE END OF HER THREE-YEAR MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT WITH ARCTIC ZONE WHO RUNS THE MANAGEMENT OF THE ICE SO WERE RENEGOTIATING THE CONTRACT IN THIS INCREASES IN THE AMOUNT THAT THEY WANT TO PAY THE HOURLY WORKERS AND WE KNOW IT'S HARD AND HARDER TO GET EMPLOYEES SO THEY FEEL LIKE INCREASING THE AMOUNT WOULD HELP IN THAT WAY IN YOUR UPGRADING OUR THE RANK THAT WILL BE THE FIGURE SKATING INSTEAD OF THEM BEING HOCKEY SKATES AND WERE ALSO AT A POINT AFTER THIS COMING SEASON NEXT YEAR WE NEED TO REPLACE SOME OF THE STRUCTURE OF THE ICE RINK THE TIMBER AND RISERS AND WHAT GOES AROUND THE SAND THAT HOLDS THE STYROFOAM AND TUBING IN THE RISERS OF THE METAL PIECES SITS ON TOP OF THE WOOD THAT HOLDS THE GLASS IN PLACE. 
          THERE IS A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE PARTS THAT WE NEED TO IMPROVE AND REPLACE THEIR AND WE HAVE IN THE ACCOUNT RIGHT NOW ABOUT $729,000 BY NO MEANS IT WIPES THE ACCOUNT OUT BUT ALSO WANT TO SAVE MONEY IN THE ACCOUNT BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE NEVER KNOW FOR MY SEASONED ISIS AND HOW MANY DAYS WERE TO BE ABLE TO OPERATE OR IF WEATHER IS GOING TO SHUT US DOWN WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE SOME IN RESERVE. 
          ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ICE FUND? 
          >> OKAY, LET'S MOVE ON TO 23 NON- REVERTING EVENTS AND 
          FESTIVALS. >> AGAIN THIS IS NOT A TAXPAYER-FUNDED ITEM IN THIS IS MONEY THAT IS COLLECTED FROM THE FEW TIMES THAT WE DO CHARGE A PUBLIC AND WE CHARGE FOR ART OF WINE AND BRUISE ON THE BOULEVARD AND WE CHARGE FOR ENTRIES INTO CARMEL ON CAMPUS AND THERE ARE THE ROUNDABOUT AND IT DOES INCLUDE A FEE AND THE NEW LEARN TO RIDE PROGRAMMING THAT CARRIES A FEE. WE WANT TO INCREASE THIS TO 86000 TO CLOSELY COVER SOME OF THOSE EVENTS THERE IS 1 128,000 AND THERE ARE SEVERAL REASONS EVENTS GET COUNSELED AND ART OF WINE GETS RAINED OUT AND TORNADOES ARE EXCESSIVE HEAT EVERY YEAR AND DESPITE THE FACT THAT WE CHANGE WHEN WE HAVE IT. 
          WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HOLD A LITTLE BIT OF BACK IN THE ACCOUNT BECAUSE WE MAY NOT BE GETTING INCOME FROM SOME OF THOSE YEAR-TO-YEAR AND BY NO MEANS COVERS ALL OF THE EXPENSES FOR THOSE EVENTS BUT IT DOES COVER A LOT OF IT. 
          >> PERFECT, ANY QUESTIONS. >> I THINK THAT WRAPS IT UP FOR YOUR DEPARTMENT. THANK YOU. 
          GOOD TO SEE YOU WHILE. >> WE WILL MOVE ON TO 1801 CARMEL REDEVELOPMENT COMMISION. ARE WE STILL OKAY ON NO BREAK. 
          >> YOU WANT TO BREAK NOW. >> ALRIGHT. 
          >> CARMEL REDEVELOPMENT. >> MORNING COUNSELORS THERE IS A 66000 OF INCREASE IN MY BUDGET FOR 2024, ABOUT 60 GRAND I'VE HAD MULTIPLE STAFF THAT HAVE GONE FROM THEM ON THE ENTRANCE TO THE FAMILIES IN THE ENTRANCE. IN ADDITION THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WAS KIND ENOUGH TO GIVE US ONE OF THEIR CARS THAT THEY DO NOT NEED ANYMORE SO WE HAVE TIRES AND GASOLINE COST 
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THAT WE ARE PROJECTING. THAT IS ESSENTIALLY IT. 
          I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. 
          >> ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A 7% INCREASE IN TOTAL BUDGET. 
          IN THE 3% COLA SO THE REST IS THE TWO ITEMS THAT YOU MENTION. 
          >> THAT IS CORRECT. >> ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? 
          >> ALRIGHT, NO QUESTIONS. THAT SEEMS TOO EASY. 
          WE WILL MOVE ON TO 1192. PERIOD DEPARTMENT OF HUMAN 
          SERVICES I SELDOM LEAVE. >> MR. PRESIDENT HOPEFULLY HE WILL BE BACK I HAVE TO LEAVE FOR A 10:00 O'CLOCK CALL I MADE THE SET COUNCIL AND WHEN I SAT DOWN ADAM AND I SAT DOWN WITH THE DIRECTOR AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I ASKED AS A KEY RECOMMENDATION OUT OF THE NEWLY FORMED CLIMATE ADVISORY COMMITTEE IS TO HAVE AN FTE SPECIFICALLY AS A SUSTAINABILITY CORRELATOR. SO HE WILL TALK ABOUT THAT AND AM HAPPY TO TALK TO ANY COUNSELOR INDIVIDUALLY ABOUT THAT AND THAT DOES RAISE HIS BUDGET ABOUT $50000 AND HE CAN TALK ABOUT WHERE THAT COMES FROM BU I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THAT IN THE MAIN REASON THE CLIMATE ADVISORY PLAN IS A COMPLEX LONG-TERM BUNCH OF MOVING PARTS AND IF WE DON'T HAVE SOMEBODY WHO GETS UP EVERY SINGLE DAY FROM SUNUP TO SUNDOWN AND WORKED ON PULLING THIS TOGETHER WE WILL NEVER ACHIEVE OUR GOALS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. SO AGAIN I WANT TO SAY AYE WON'T BE HERE WHEN MIKE PRESENTED. THAT'S WHY THERE WAS AN INCREASE IN THE BUDGET IN ADDITION TO OTHER THINGS THAT HE HAD. 
          I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO TALK TO ANYBODY ONE-ON-ONE WHY I THINK THAT'S A GOOD INVESTMENT FOR THE CITY. 
          >> THANK YOU FOR THAT. I THINK WERE GOING TO TAKE A BREAK NOW. MIKE IS NOT HERE. 
          I SUSPECT HE IS WATCHING SO HE WILL BE DOWN SHORTLY. 
          I THINK WE ARE ON A COUPLE MINUTE DELAY. 
          COUNSELOR AASEN DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT? 
          >> I WANT TO CHIME IN WITH WHAT THE COUNSELOR SAID. 
          HE PRESENTED IT AND IT MADE A LOT OF SENSE IN MY DAY JOB IN THE FACILITIES MANAGEMENT. WE ARE PEOPLE WHO WORK WITH THE ENERGY SAVINGS AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT POSITION HAD AN EMPHASIS ON ENERGY SAVINGS THE COST SAVINGS COULD PAY FOR THE POSITION AND THEORY. AND IN DOCTOR HANAN MENTIONED TO GRANT SECOND AFTER OPPORTUNITIES, THERE IS A REAL POSSIBILITY IN THIS POSITION TO PAY FOR ITSELF. 
          >> THINK YOU. >> OKAY. 
          IF ANYONE NEEDS TO DO ANYTHING, DO IT NOW. 
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          >> WERE BACK IN SESSION DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY SERVICE 
          AND. >> GOOD MORNING. 
          THIS YEAR WERE ASKING FOR A 6% INCREASE OVER THE 2023 BUDGET. 
          THE VAST MAJORITY WILL BE IMPERSONAL SERVICES ABOUT 2,075,000, THE OTHER MAJOR INCREASES AT OTHER SERVICES AND CHARGES AND WERE PROPOSING A 40% INCREASE IN GROUNDS MAINTENANCE AND A 20% INCREASE IN OTHER CONTRACTED SERVICES. 
          AND THAT IS THE ESSENCE OF IT AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY 
          QUESTIONS. >> GROUND MAINTENANCE, WHAT DOES 
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THAT MEAN EXACTLY AND WHAT IS COVERED UNDER THAT? 
          >> THAT IS PRIMARILY THE TREE REMOVAL CONTRACTS. 
          THE INCREASE THIS YEAR PROPOSED IS TO RETAKE OVER THE MULCH CONTRACT. A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO. 
          WE THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE EASIER BECAUSE THEY HANDLE A LOT OF OTHER CONTRACTED SERVICES IN THE BIDDING ASPECT OF IT. 
          WE ARE NOT PLEASED WITH THE QUALITY OF THE WORK AND I THINK HE IS COMFORTABLE WITH THE BIDDING PROCESS AND ALL OF THAT. 
          >> OKAY. >> IS THAT ALL YOU WANTED TO SAY ABOUT THIS BUDGET? OR IS THERE MORE ITEMS. 
          >> I GO INTO THE CONTRACTED SERVICES ASPECT OF IT. 
          IN SOME WAYS THERE ARE OUR BEST GUESS WE HAVEN'T GOT THE PROPOSED INCREASES BUYER SOFTWARE VENDORS. 
          BUT THE BIKE SHARE COMES OUT OF THEM, CODE ENFORCEMENT, THE ABATEMENTS, WE HAVE A CONTRACTOR ON-CALL WHEN WE NEED TO GET THE MOWING DOWN HER OTHER THINGS. THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS WE HAD A SUSTAINABILITY FELLOW TO HELP WITH THE EFFORTS OF THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN. IN THE WAYFINDING SIGNAGE PROGRAM, THOSE UPDATES COME OUT OF THAT. 
          ADA ABATEMENTS. THAT IS BASICALLY SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS. WHEN WE GET COMPLAINTS WE WILL WORK WITH THE STREET DEPARTMENT TO HAVE RAMPS OR CURBS OR WORKING WITH TOURISM AN GRANT THAT WOULD PROVIDE A FULL-TIME PERSON TO WORK TO IMPLEMENT THE WHITE RIVER REVISION PLAN ACROSS 
          THE COUNTY. >> ALL RIGHT, AND REALLY THAT'S IT. THOUGH I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT IT OTHER THAN LINE ITEMS. 
          >>  SO I HAVE A QUESTION, AND MAYBE I'LL GET IT STARTED HERE. 
          SO I RECEIVEDS A COMMUNICATION FROM SOME FOLKS THAT I THINK WORK IN THE URBAN -- OR EXCUSE ME, IN THE FORESTRY COMMITTEE OR WHATEVER THAT IS, AND THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT US NOT HAVING A BUCKET LIFT, BUCKET TRUCK OR SOMETHING. 
          IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S A DESIRE, IS IT A NEED? DO WE CONTRACT? WHERE DO YOU THINK THAT CONCERN 
          IS COMING FROM? >> WELL, IT'S SOMETHING, I THINK ITS ON A WISH LIST. I MEAN, RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING QUOTES TO REPLACE THE CHIPPER IN THE CHIPPER TRUCK. WHICH THAT GETS A LOT OF VIEWS AS OUR URBAN FOREST MATURES, THEY NEED TO HAVE A BUCKET TRUCK, AND TO BE ABLE TO DO SOME INTERVENTIONS, WHERE THE CREW THAT WE CONTRACT WITH IS ON THE WEST SIDE, AND YOU KNOW, THEY ARE IMPLEMENTING DARREN'S MAINSTREAM PLAN, AND WE'RE DOING PARTS OF THE COMMUNITY OVER A PERIOD OF MONTHS. 
          BUT THE STREET DEPARTMENT HAS A BUCKET TRUCK. 
          THEY WERE LOOKING TO UPGRADE THEIRS, WE WERE LOOKING THAT MAYBE WE WOULD INHERIT THEIR OLD ONE. 
          IT ALSO HAS A NEED FOR A BUCKET TRUCK, AND SO WE WERE THINKING THAT WE'LL JUST SHARE THAT WITH THEM. 
          SO -- >>  THEY HAVE SUCCESS TO ONE 
          NOW. >>  THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY 
          QUESTION. >>  HOW DO WE GET A SECOND BUN E 
          CITY WIDE. >>  AND THEN WE HAD A RECENT EXPERIENCE WITH AN ACTIVE NATURE WHERE ONE OF OUR TREES WENT DOWN ON A PERSON'S HOME, ON THE ROOF. HOW'S THAT -- LET'S SAY THIS HAPPENS AT MIDNIGHT ON A SATURDAY. 
          HOW DO YOU HANDLE THAT TYPE OF A SITUATION? 
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          >> DO WE SEND OUR EMPLOYEES? HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN? 
          >> IF IT'S A PRIVATE MATTER -- >>  IT'S A STREET TREE, SATURDAY NIGHT MIDNIGHT ON A PRIVATE HOME. 
          >>  GENERALLY, THE STREET DEPARTMENT HANDLES KIND OF THE AFTER HOURS EMERGENCIES. DOCS HAS BEEN WORKING MORE CLOSELY WITH THE EMERGENCY SERVICES, AND WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF DEVELOPING A MORE FORMAL PROTOCOL. 
          I MEAN CURRENTLY, I GET NOTICED, WE ALL GET THE DISPATCH. 
          DARREN MENDEN HAS NOT BEEN PART OF THAT HISTORICALLY, AND WE DO THINK THERE'S A NEED TO INCLUDE HIM IN. 
          >>  THIS IS MORE A CITY-WIDE QUESTION THAN A FORESTRY QUESTION. SO FORESTRY SERVICES TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY SAFE, AND TWO, WHEN SOMETHING HAPPENS, FORESTRY IS NOT, AND THEY'LL COMING BACK DURING THE REGULAR WORK HOURS TO CLEANUP AND WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE LATER ON. 
          THAT WOULD BE THE THREE-PART RESPONSE. 
          >> THANK YOU, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS REGARDING LEAVITT 92? OKAY, LET'S MOVE ON TO 501. 
          SPEAKING OF URBAN FORESTRY. >> THE URBAN FORESTRY FUND IS KIND OF OUR RAINY DAY FUND, IF YOU WILL, SO LITTLE BY LITTLE, WE'RE TRYING TO ACCUMULATE MONEY IN THAT. 
          SO IF WE DO HAVE AN EMERGENCY THAT'S OUTSIDE OF OUR BUDGET, WE DO HAVE SOME MONEY TO EITHER DO IT OURSELF, OR TO CONTRACT FOR 
          MAINSTREAM AND REMOVAL SERVICES. >> OKAY, DOES ANYONE HAVE A QUESTION ON THAT BEFORE WE MOVE ON? AS YOU GO THROUGH, MIKE, WHY DON'T YOU GIVE US THE TOTALS FOR PEOPLE WATCHING ALONG AT HOME. THE FUND VALUE. 
          >> SO THE TOTAL FOR THAT BUDGET IS 74,500-DOLLAR. 
          AND WE WOULD -- THAT WOULD ALL BE APPROPRIATED AT BUDGET APPROVAL TIMES, IN JANUARY, WE NEED IT. 
          IT'S ALREADY AVAILABLE. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? 507. 
          >> SO DOCS, WE MANAGE THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION'S BUDGET AND WE WORK WITH MARK DELASE WITH THE HISTORIC COMMISSION, AND THIS IS THEIR RAINY DAY FUND IF YOU WILL, AND WE TRANSFER HISTORICALLY WHAT WE DON'T USE INTO THIS. THE CURRENT VALUE OF THAT BUDGET IS $205,000. AND WE BELIEVE THAT WE'LL HAVE $65,000 REMAINING BUT WE ASK TO APPROPRIATE ALL $270,000 IN 
          2024. >> OKAY. 
          ANY QUESTIONS? QUESTIONS ON 507? 
          904, PLEASE. >> SO THIS IS KIND OF NEW FOR DOCS. WEIR KIND OF CLAIMIG OWNERSHIP OF THE HOUSING AUTHORITY FUND. IT HAS BEEN IN EXISTENCE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. YOU KNOW, IT'S A NICE OPTION TO HAVE. IF WE NEED TO DO DEMOTION OF THE HOUSE, WE WOULD WORK WITH THE MAYOR'S OFFICE, WHATEVER WORKS, TO GO THROUGH THE LEGAL PROCESS, BUT THIS WOULD GIVE US THE MONEY 
          TO KIND OF BACK UP OUR ACTIONS. >> OKAY. 
          VERY BRIEFLY FOR THE NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, WE HAD A HOUSE THAT HAD FALLEN, AND WE'RE STARTING TO CLEANUP THAT AREA, AND WE SET UP THE HOUSING AUTHORITY, WITH STATE LAW WHICH WAS A LOT OF MONEY, AND IN FACT, WE BOUGHT THE HOUSE, THE LANDS, AND THE HOUSING AUTHORITY STAT YOU'D, AND BID IT OUT ON THE MARKET. 
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AND IN FACT, NICK KESSLER, WHO MANY OF YOU KNOW, BOUGHT IT AND PUT UP A BRAND-NEW HOUSE IN THE DESIGN DISTRICT, WHICH IS STILL THERE TODAY. AND HAS TENANTS AND YOU KNOW, SO THAT WORKS WELL, HAVING A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY IN THERE IN CASE OF EMERGENCY, AND THE NEW MAYOR WILL HAVE TO RUN FOR A SPECIAL APPROPRIATION, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL. 
          >> WHAT'S THE VALUE OF THAT FUND RIGHT NOW? 
          >> $58,000. >>  SO ENOUGH TO HIRE A LAWYER 
          TO GET STARTED. >> SO THERE'S A HOME, I'M NOT GOING TO SAY THE ADDRESS RIGHT NOW, BUT THERE'S A HOME, AND I THINK YOU'RE THINKING OF THE SAME ONE THAT I'VE BEEN 
          HAMMERING ABOUT. >>  EMAIL 34TH TO MAKE SURE 
          THAT WE'RE ON THE SAME ONE. >>  BUT BEEN ABANDONED FOR YEARS, OUT OF STATE OWNER, THE NEIGHBORS ARE VERY FRUSTRATED AND I WANT TO GET AN UPDATE ON THAT ONE, IT'S VERY FRUSTRATING TO ME BECAUSE IT HAS TO GO ON SO LONG, BUT WE MENTIONED USING THIS FUND IN ORDER TO DEAL WITH THAT. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF 58 GRAND IS APPROPRIATE. 
          >> IT'S ENOUGH FOR A START UNTIL WE GET AN APPROPRIATION OR TRANSFER SOME MONEY, AND THEN SUPPLEMENT AS NEEDED. 
          >> SO I GUESS BECAUSE IT HAS POPPED INTO MY MIND, I WANT TO GET AN UPDATE ON WHERE WE ARE ON THAT SPECIFIC INCIDENT. 
          >> WILE MOVE A LITTLE FASTER. >>  GREAT. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON HOUSING AUTHORITY? LET'S DO 921, NON-RESTERING BICYCLE FACILITIES. 
          >> I MEAN THAT FUND IS THE RECIPIENT OF THE BIKE SHARE PROGRAM. AND PROJECTING $22,000, AND IN REVENUE FOR THAT, APPROPRIATION $60,000. 
          >>  HOW DOES THAT COMPARE TO OTHER YEARS? 
          ARE WE DOING BETTER? >> WE'RE UP, IN SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER, KIND OF PRIME, AND WE THINK WE'RE GOING TO FINISH THE 
          YEAR. >> SO CAN YOU SAY THAT? THANKS, AND ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE? LET'S MOVE ON TO 924. 
          NON-REVERTING CODE ENFORCEMENT. >> HOW ABOUT SOMEONE RAISE THEIR HANDS. 925, NON-REVERTING SIDEWALK. 
          >>  THAT'S THE GRAND BAHAMA. AND I KNOW DAVID, IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE RIGHT AROUND THAT $25,000 FOR THE APPLICATIONS AND IMPLEMENTATION. AND WE THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT LEFT OVER FROM THIS YEAR, AND PROPOSING FOR $55,000 
          FOR NEXT YEAR. >>  OKAY. 
          ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A NEW COUNCIL IN 2024, AND I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT A CODE ENFORCEMENT EDUCATION SERIES SO WE ALL UNDERSTAND AND HAVE PROPER EXPECTATIONS, AND I'M SPEAKING FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, MY EXPECTATIONS ARE, DROP THE HAMMER AND LET'S GET THIS TAKEN CARE OF AND IT DOESN'T ALWAYS WORK THAT WAY. 
          WOULD YOU PROMISE ME, IN EARLY 2024, WE'LL HAVE AN AFTERNOON, ANYONE THAT'S AVAILABLE, THAT WE WOULD FOCUS ON DOD ENFORCEMENT. 
          EDUCATION. >> YOU HAVE MY WORD AND WE'LL EVEN DO A BONUS, BECAUSE WHAT DOCS DOES IS MORE THAN COLD. 
          AND WE'LL GO THROUGH THE WHOLE . >>  IT WILL BE TIME WELL SPENT. 
          ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY SERVICES? , ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS HALF OF THE BUDGET? GOOD JOB, AND WE'LL MEET AGAIN TOMORROW MORNING AT 8:00. AND COULD YOU LET ME KNOW, DID ANYONE NOT BE HERE TOMORROW MORNING? BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT JACOB KNOWS BECAUSE I GOT TO 
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FIND OTHER PEOPLE. COUNCILORS, ANY COMMENTS FROM YOU BEFORE WE CLOSE THIS SESSION? 
          >> GREAT JOB, I WILL STILL BE VIRTUAL TOMORROW. 
          >>  I WILL ALSO BE VIRTUAL
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