Dec 06, 2023 City Council Meeting 12-06-2023

[1. CALL TO ORDER]

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>> THIS MEETING OF THE COMMON COUNCIL FOR DECEMBER 6, 2023 IS NOW CALLED TO ORDER. THANK YOU FOR EVERYONE BEING

[2. AGENDA APPROVAL]

THE AGENDA? >> SO MOVED .

>> SECOND. >> PLEASE VOTE.

[3. INVOCATION]

OUR CHAPLAIN, COUNSELOR KEVIN RYDER WILL LEAD US IN OUR

INVOCATION. >> IT NEVER HURTS TO WHEN YOU FIND OUT THREE MINUTES BEFORE THE MEETING YOU ARE GIVING THE PLAYER BUT IT IS ALWAYS A GOOD TIME TO TALK TO GOD.

HEAVENLY FATHER, WE MEET TONIGHT AND THANK YOU FOR BEING IN OUR PRESENCE. WE NEED TO REMEMBER THE REASON FOR THE SEASON, WE ARE IN THAT MONTH.

ADD A LITTLE CIVILITY TO THE WORLD.

WE ALSO LIKE A LITTLE PIECE. THE WITH THOSE AROUND THE WORLD WHO ARE IN CONFLICT, BE WITH OUR POLICE, FIRE, AND CITY WORKERS. PLEASE KEEP A TOUCHING HAND ON THEM. GIVE THIS COUNCIL WISDOM AND HELP US TO KEEP YOU IN OUR HEARTS.

IT'S EASY TO REMEMBER YOU WHEN TIMES ARE HARD, BUT SOMETIMES WE FAIL ON THAT. IN JESUS NAME WE PRAY, AMEN.

>> THANK YOU. BEFORE WE START THE PLEDGE, I WILL LIKE TO RECOGNIZE THAT WE HAVE A SCOUT WITH US TONIGHT MR. NICK SHRIVER, WOULD YOU STAND UP AND TELL US WHAT TRULY REPRESENT? WILL YOU LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE

[4. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]

OF ALLEGIANCE? >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

>> THANK YOU MR. SHRIVER, THAT WAS EXCELLENT.

NOW, WE WILL MOVE TO RECOGNITION OF CITY EMPLOYEES AND OUTSTANDING CITIZENS. WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ON OUR AGENDA TONIGHT, SO WE WILL MOVE TO RECOGNITION A PERSON WISHING

[7. COUNCIL AND MAYORAL COMMENTS/OBSERVATIONS]

I SEE NO BLUE CARD SO WE WILL KEEP MOVING.

WE WILL NOW MOVE TO COUNCIL AND MAYORAL COMMON OBSERVATIONS.

FIRST IS DOCTOR HANNON. >> JUST A QUICK PLUG, ON SUNDAY, DECEMBER 10, THIS UPCOMING SUNDAY, IT IS GOING TO BE HONORING VETERANS AND MILITARY.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS DONE ANNUALLY.

WE HOPE TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT. THERE WILL BE A KICKOFF CEREMONY WITH THE VFW AND HONOR GUARD AND NOON.

HE WILL HAVE A COUPLE PREPARED REMARKS.

ONE OF THE THINGS I ALSO WANTED TO MENTION IS I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS THE EFFORT TO PRODUCE VETERAN SUICIDES IN HAMILTON COUNTY WE WILL HAVE A BOOTH THERE AND WILL TALK ABOUT THAT. BELIEF IT BRIEFLY FOR THOSE WHO MAY NOT BE ABLE TO ATTEND, PEOPLE ARE SOMEWHAT FAMILIAR WITH VETERAN SUICIDE RATES. THERE IS AN ORGANIZATION THAT TALKS ABOUT 22 VETERANS A DAY THAT I BY SUICIDE.

THE STATS THAT HIT ME IS IF YOU LOOK AT VETERAN SUICIDE RATES COMPARED TO THE COMPARABLE NONMILITARY SUICIDE RATES, IT'S 70% HIGHER THAN THAT NUMBER UP IS GOING TO 2001.

HERE IN INDIANA 2001, WE WERE DOUBLE THE RATE OF VETERAN SUICIDES COMPARED TO THE NONMILITARY POPULATION.

IN 2001, HAMILTON COUNTY HAD A FIVE TIMES INCREASE IN VETERAN SUICIDE RATES. IN FACT, THAT PARTICULAR YEAR OF 2001, HAMILTON COUNTY VETERAN SUICIDES WERE 10% OF THE ENTIRE STATE OF VETERAN SUICIDE.

BASED ON THE SHOCKING STATISTICS, GROUP OF US GOT TOGETHER TO FORM A COALITION TO TRY AND ADDRESS THAT.

FOR THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING TOWARDS A SYSTEMS BASED APPROACH THAT CAN HELP INTERVENE WITH VETERANS WHO ARE AT RISK BUT HOPEFULLY TO BUILD RESILIENCE IN VETERAN SO THEY DON'T GET TO THAT POINT.

OUR EFFORTS ON THE CUSP OF STARTING TO MOVE FORWARD WHAT IS CALLED THE GOVERNOR'S GRANT, IT IS A NATIONAL PROGRAM THAT IS CAN BE INDIANA THAT WILL BE PROVIDING FUNDING FOR HAMILTON COUNTY AND OTHER COUNTIES TO WORK SYSTEMICALLY TO REDUCE VETERAN SUICIDE. AGAIN, I INVITE EVERYONE TO THE CHRIS KENDALL - - IN GENERAL. CERTAINLY YOU CAN JOIN US ON SUNDAY TO HELP HONOR VETERANS, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, THAT'S A GREAT PROGRAM. ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS

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DURING THIS PRESENTATION, WE WILL DISCUSS A STRATEGY TO DEFINE, UNDERSTAND, PROMOTE, AND HOPEFULLY LIVE A CULTURAL CIVILITY IN CARMEL. WE CAN ENGAGE IN HEALTHY DISAGREEMENT, CONSTRUCTIVE DEBATES, TRIPLE CONVERSATIONS AND FIND THE BEST WAY FORWARD DURING THIS TIME OF TRANSITION.

WHETHER IT IS OR LOCAL GOVERNMENT, SCHOOLS, WORKPLACES, SOCIAL MEDIA INTERACTIONS OR PERSONAL LIVES, I BELIEVE WE CAN BECOME A PLACE WHERE CIVILITY NOT ONLY EXISTS, BUT IT THRIVES. I BELIEVE OUR COMMUNITY CAN BENEFIT FROM THIS GOAL, SO ASK YOU TO PLEASE MARK YOUR CALENDARS FOR JANUARY 10, 6:00 PM AT THE CARMEL PUBLIC LIBRARY AND JOIN IN THIS JOURNEY OF COOPERATION, COLLABORATION, MUTUAL UNDERSTANDING AND INDEPENDENCE.

I HOPE TO REINVIGORATE A COMMUNITY WHERE CIVILITY BECOMES THE NORM AND SET AN EXAMPLE FOR OTHERS TO FOLLOW.

THANK YOU, I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU THERE ON JANUARY 10.

COUNSELOR NELSON? >> I WANT TO ASK EVERYONE TO JOIN ME ON DECEMBER 14 FOR WE WILL HAVE THE EIGHTH NIGHT OF THE LIGHTING OF THE MENORAH. IT WILL BE WITH MYSELF AND MANY OTHERS. IF YOU ARE JEWISH, CURIOUS, OR JUST WANT TO SEE IT, PLEASE JOIN AND JOIN THE FESTIVAL OF LIGHTS AS WE JOINED THE FESTIVAL OF LIGHTS FOR THE

FINAL LIGHT OF HANUKKAH. >> THANK YOU, COUNSELOR NELSON.

[8. CONSENT AGENDA]

GENERAL CLAIMS IN THE AMOUNTS OF $3,576,170.74.

ANY DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE.

[10. COMMITTEE REPORTS]

THE NEXT MEETING OF THE FINANCE COMMITTEE WILL BE DECEMBER 14 AT 5:30 IN THIS ROOM. LAND-USE AND SPECIAL STUDIES

COMMITTEE, COUNSELOR CAMPBELL? >> THANK YOU MR. PRESIDENT.

WE ARE MEETING AT 5:30 ON MONDAY, DECEMBER 11 TO DISCUSS CAPITAL Z 684 - - D Ã269 ÃONE Ã23.

[11. OTHER REPORTS]

>> PEOPLE MOVE UP THE, REDEVELOPMENTCOMMISSION, SO

THEIR MONTHLY MEETING . >> OF MLS PRESENTATION WAS TWO WEEKS AGO, SO IN THE COURSE OF THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT, NOT MANY CHANGES HAVE OCCURRED IN THE LAST TWO WEEKS.I'LL DISCUSS THE PROJECT THAT ARE GOING ON.

THE RENT CONTINUES ITS CONSTRUCTION.

IT'S NICE THAT PEOPLE THAT COME AND VISIT OUR MARKET EVERY YEAR AND TO THE PROJECT AT THE CITY CENTER TAKE SHAPE WITH OBVIOUSLY THIS YOU'RE BEING THE MOST PROGRESS.

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FIRST ON MAINE, EVEN THAT PICTUREIS DATED .

HOPEFULLY, WE WILL HAVE A GRAND OPENING CEREMONY HERE IN THE NEXT MONTH OR SO. LOTS OF PROGRESS TAKING CASE SHAPE ON THE CORNER. I KNOW HE IS WORKING ON THE SECOND BUILDING HAS PERMITS FOR THE THIRD.

THE MUSE CONTINUES.I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING WHAT RESTAURANTS WILL COME TO THE FIRST FLOOR OF THAT PROJECT.

SIGNATURE CONSTRUCTION CONTINUES AS WELL, THAT IS REALLY TAKING SHAPE. I BELIEVE THEY ARE ABOUT TO CLOSE ON THEIR FINAL UNIT. THIS HAS BEEN AN INCREDIBLY SUCCESSFUL PROJECT.AS I SHARED LAST TIME, WE WILL SOON BE STARTING, IN THE FIRST QUARTER OF NEXT YEAR.

WE WILL BE STARTING ON THE CONDOS THAT WRAP THIS PARKING GARAGE TO COMPLETE THE URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD.WORK CONTINUES ON HAMPTON CROSSING TO THE RESIDENTIAL WRAP AROUND THE GARAGE LOOKS LIKE, THAT IS MOVING FORWARD.

OBVIOUSLY THE CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS FROM THE BUILDING ITSELF IS MAKING HIS WAY THROUGH APPROVALS AND THROUGH THAT A DLS PROCESS NOW. I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THEM STARTING THE HEADQUARTERS, THAT WILL BE GREAT.- - IS COMING ALONG, I THINK YOU WILL HAVE THE NEXT FEW MONTHS SOME EXCITING ANNOUNCEMENTS ABOUT THEIR FIRST FLOOR TENANTS, RESTAURANT RETAIL TENANTS. HERE IS A PICTURE OF SOME ELEVATOR TOWERS. THEY WILL SHORTLY BE REBELS.

THERE WAS A CONSTRUCTION ISSUE THAT PUT A SHORT PAUSE IN THAT PROJECT, OBVIOUSLY THE CITY IS NOT AFFECTED INANY WAY ON THAT . THE DEVELOPER IS NOT AFFECTED, IS A SUBCONTRACT ISSUE. WE DON'T EXPECT THE TIMING OF THE PROJECT TO BE ALTERED IN ANY WAY.ICON ON MAINE, THERE'S A PUBLIC PLAZA ON THE CORNER.

I WILL INCORPORATE THAT INTO MY NEXT PRESENTATION.

THE CONSTRUCTION THERE IS ON ITS WAY.

ONE ON SQUARE CONTINUES AIMING FOR FIRST QUARTER OF 2024.

AT&T, TWO WEEKS AGO WHEN I WAS YOU SAID THEY WOULD BE DEMOLISHED AND THE COUNSELOR CORRECT TO ME THAT THEY ALREADY DEMOLISHED THE AT&T WAREHOUSE. THAT IS TO THE LATEST NEWS I HAVE.THAT PROJECT WILL START SHORTLY.

THE TOWNSHIP PROJECT AT THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION IS A PARTNER ON FOR THE CARMEL CLAY HISTORICAL SOCIETIES MOVING FORWARD. CONSTRUCTION IS ONGOING AND THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION IS FUNDING SOME INTERIOR DESIGN ON THE PROJECT AS WELL, SO ALL OF THE EXHIBITS WHENEVER THEY COME ONLINE ALL LOOK COHESIVE LIKE A PROPER MUSEUM.

THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION HAS ENGAGED EXHIBIT FABRICATORS AND DESIGNERS TO MAKE THIS LOOK AS GOOD AS IT CAN.

IT'S GOING TO BE AN AMAZING PROJECT.

- - IS STILL WORKING THROUGH STUFF.

HOPEFULLY START MOVING CENTER EARLY NEXT YEAR.

ROUNDABOUT ART, THE LATEST SCOPE WE HAD TALKED ABOUT, HOPEFULLY AT THIS POINT EVERYONE GOT A CHANCE TO CHECK OUT THE MARKET AND THE LATEST - -. FINALLY AS DISCUSSED IN THE LAST MEETING, THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION IS MOVING FORWARD WHICH WAS APPROVED BY THE ART ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, THOUGH NOT MANY

CHANGES FROM TWO WEEKS AGO. >> ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE DIRECTOR? COUNSELOR AASEN.

>> SO, THERE WAS THE NEWS ABOUT THE PARK IMPACT FEES.

I DID GET A QUESTION FROM THE CONSTITUENT ABOUT THIS.

THERE WAS A LIST OF THE PROJECT AND THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS APPROVED BY THE DPW FOR THE PARK IMPACT FEE WAIVERS.

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IMPACT FEES GOING TOWARDS? >> SOME OF THEM WILL BE USED AS PUBLIC PLAZAS AS A PART OF THE PROJECT.

FOR SOME OF THEM, BUT THERE IS NOT PART OF RESEARCHER ON THE PARTS THEMSELVES, THEY WOULD BE USED FOR OTHER PERSON PERCEPTION THE CENTRAL CORE. MAINLY, THERE IS AN UNFUNDED JAPANESE GARDEN THAT REMAINS THAT IS PROBABLY OUR LARGEST

URBAN PARKS PROJECT. >> HANG ON, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE QUESTION WAS BECAUSE WE CAN'T HEAR IT.

>> THE JAPANESE GARDEN SOUTH OF CITY HALL WILL PROBABLY BE THE MAIN. THEY WILL PROBABLY BE THE MAIN

USES FOR EXISTING. >> DID THAT ANSWER YOUR

QUESTION? >> I APOLOGIZE MR. PRESIDENT.

ORIGINALLY, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT MAKING A CHINESE GARDEN SOUTH OF THE JAPANESE GARDEN, I WAS WONDERING ABOUT THAT.

HE REMINDED ME THAT WILL BE DONE BY THE LIBRARY.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE LORE

SLIDE. >> WITH THE ELEVATOR TOWERS? THIS IS A PROJECT THAT IS SOMEWHAT UNIQUE AND OTHER PROJECTS BECAUSE IT IS SO CLOSE TO RESIDENTS.

YOU CAN PROBABLY COME UP WITH ANOTHER EXAMPLE, BUT GENERALLY WE HAVE GOT A SITE AND THERE IS NOT HOUSES JUST SO CLOSE AND NEIGHBORHOODS, SMALL TREES, ETC. I HAVE BEEN RECEIVING EMAILSABOUT THE MISHAPS THAT HAVE HAPPENED .

THE FAMOUS QUOTE IS CONSTRUCTION IS MESSY.

I WILL LIKE TO ENCOURAGE MAYBE SOME PROACTIVE, PREEMPTIVE EMAILS GOING TO THE NEIGHBORS. WE HAD A PROBLEM WITH UTILITIES WITH NO NOTICE AND I THINK THE THING THAT I SEE THAT THEY ARE ASKING FOR, IS THERE SOME KIND OF A SCHEDULE? I'M NOT SAYING EVERY DETAIL, BUT JUST ON MAJOR MILESTONES THAT WE COULD TRY. I KNOW WE ARE ALWAYS AFRAID TO OFFER BECAUSE IT IS OUT OF OUR CONTROL AND WE CAN GUARANTEE IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN ON FEBRUARY 4. MY POINT USUALLY IS, KNOWLEDGE AND COMMUNICATION IS THREE QUARTERS OF THE BATTLE. SO IT DOESN'T HAPPEN ON THE FOURTH AND ENDS UP HAPPENING ON THE 13TH, THAT IS KNOWLEDGE IN AND OF ITSELF. IS THERE ANYWAY, AND I AM HAPPY TO BE A PART OF THIS AND COORDINATE, IS TO ANYWAY FIRST YOU HAVE SOME SORT OF THE WEEKLY UPDATE VIA EMAIL? MAYBE A MONTHLY MEETING? I AM SENSING A DIFFERENCE IN THIS PROJECT BECAUSE OF THE LOCATION OF THEHOMES .

I WILL STOP DOWN THE YOU HELP ME OUT WITH THIS.

>> GENERALLY, WHEN THE PROJECT IS MOVING FORWARD, DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS ARE ALSO INVOLVED. CERTAINLY IF SOMETHING IS NOT BEING DONE RIGHT, CODE ENFORCEMENT IS INVOLVED.

THEY SEND INSPECTORS TO THESITE .

ONCE THE PROJECT STARTS, I AM NOT AT THE SAME FOREFRONT AS OTHER DEPARTMENTS. BUT I'VE BEEN ON EMAILS WHERE WE HAVE ALL COORDINATED TO MAKE THINGS BETTER.

THINGS HAVE NOT BEEN AS GREAT AS THEY COULD HAVE BEEN AND THAT IS CERTAINLY TRUE. I'M HAPPY TO REACH OUT TO THE DEVELOPER AND PASS IT AROUND THE SCHEDULE AND DO ANYTHING ELSE. MORE CONVERSATION IS ALWAYS

GOOD. >> I APPRECIATE THAT.

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WHAT I'M HEARING THIS, I AM OUT OF IT AND ALCOA SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO TO ENGINEERING FOR THIS AND UTILITIESFOR THAT .

THAT DOESN'T SEEM VERY CUSTOMER SERVICE ORIENTED TO ME.

SO, IF YOU COULD, AT LEAST UNTIL EVERYONE GETS THE LEGS UNDER THEM WITH MAYOR FINKAM AND YOUR NEW ADMINISTRATION, COULD YOU BE THE CONDUIT FOR NOW FOR BETTER COMMUNICATION AS

THE RIGHT THING TO DO? >> HAPPY TO DO IT.

>> I HAVE KIND OF EXPERIENCE FOR THE LAST 16 TO 18 MONTHS, I DON'T REMEMBER WHEN IT STARTED. ONE OF MY BUSINESSES BEEN SURROUNDED AND DEVELOPER - - AND MYSELF TOGETHER BEFORE IT STARTED. THEY GAVE ME A CONTACT PERSON.

I AM NOT ALWAYS BEEN TICKLED PINK BY ANYTHING, BUT I KNEW ABOUT IT AHEAD OF TIME. WHETHER YOU LIKE THEM OR DON'T LIKE THEM, IT MAKES THEM VERY POWERFUL WHEN YOU KNOW ABOUT THINGS AHEAD OF TIME. THE DEVELOPERS CAN PICK ONE PERSON AND YOU SHOULD MAKE THAT HAPPEN WE CAN GATHER AN EMAIL LIST AND GIVE THEM A WEEKLY EMAIL.

THIS IS WHAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE GOING ON THIS WEEK, EVERYTHING IS MALLEABLE AND CAN BE MOVED. WHEN PEOPLE KNOW THINGS, THEY ARE LESS MAD AT YOU, EVEN IF THEY DON'T LIKE IT.

THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD AVENUE. WE REGULARLY UPDATE ME ON WHAT HAPPENED AND WHAT IS GOING TO AFFECT ME AND IT IS AN INTERESTING. I KNEW ABOUT AHEAD OF TIME.

>> SMOKY ROAD AND MAIN STREET AS WAS COUNCIL - - CITY PROJECTS CONTRACTED OUT, THERE WAS A LIAISON THERE EVERY DAY THAT ANSWER QUESTIONS THAT I KNEW WHO HE WAS.

OTHER HOA MEMBERS AND EMAILS, HE SENT OUT - - WOULD ALSO BE SOMETHING THAT I THINK SUE COULD ADD TO HER WISH LIST.

>> WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT IS BETTER THAN JUST GUESSING.

>> ALL IN THE SPIRIT OF CONSTANT IMPROVEMENT GETTING BETTER. THAT IS ALL I HAVE ON THAT.

DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO REPORT? THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND I APPRECIATE YOUR REPORTS.

WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO ALL BUSINESS, SECOND READING OH SORRY, WE WILL NOW MOVE TO OUR NEXT COMMITTEE REPORT, PARKS

DEPARTMENT, I APOLOGIZE. >> NO WORRIES.

>> PRESIDENT WORRELL MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE A QUARTERLY REPORT.

I WANTED TO START WITH A NOTIFICATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL THAT WE WERE VERY PLEASED TO SEND 13 MEMBERS OF STAFF TO DALLAS TEXAS THIS YEAR OCTOBER 10 THROUGH THE 12TH.

WE HAD THREE PRESENTATIONS FEATURING PARKS AND RECREATION.

I WAS FORTUNATE TO BE INVOLVED IN ALLTHREE OF THEM .

ONE OF THEM FOCUSED ON OUR ROBUST PUBLIC INPUT PROCESS WHICH WAS DONE WITH MICHAEL ALLEN, OUR PARKS AND NATURAL RESOURCE DIRECTOR AS WELL AS ONE OF OUR CONTRACTED DESIGNERS FOR THAT PROJECT. I WAS FORTUNATE TO JOIN THREE OTHER - - JOINED BY TWO AGENCIES IN TEXAS INCLUDING DALLAS AS WELL AS METROPOLITAN DENVER AREA.

THE THIRD ROOM WAS THAT WITH OUR - - TALKING ABOUT OUR REIMAGINING PARKS AND HOW WE ARE FOCUSED ON MAKING THEM MORE THAN A POST PANDEMIC SLOGAN, BUT TRULY A PART OF OUR DNA.

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I'M TODAY AND TRANSITION CLOSE RELATED TO PUBLIC INPUT THE PARKS AND RECREATION MASTER PLAN WHICH WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF COMPLETING AND WILL BE ROLLING OUT THE EARLY PART OF NEXT YEAR. PART IF THAT IS A COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PROCESS WHICH IS CORPORATE A NUMBER OF METHODS AS WELL AS ONLINE SURVEYS AND STAKEHOLDER FOCUS GROUPS WITH STAFF AND KEY MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY.

SOME OF OUR INTERCEPT SURVEYS WITH THE COMMUNITY EVENTS, LAUNDRYLIST OF ORGANIZATIONS , - - ENGAGED PEOPLE WHO DON'T PARTICIPATE HISTORICALLY IN SURVEYS OR FOCUS GROUPS.

WE DID A NUMBER OF TARGETED FOCUS GROUPS, WORKING WITH ORGANIZATIONS THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY WITH A VARIETY OF AGES AND FOCUS AND INTERESTS. OF COURSE, ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS THAT WE ALWAYS RELY ON HIS A STATISTICALLY VALID SURVEY, WHICH HAD INCREDIBLE REPRESENTATION THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY, THE 25% WERE WITHIN THE CENTRAL CORE OF THE COMMUNITY AND THE REST THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY.

GOOD REPRESENTATION IN OUR SIX PLANNING AREAS THAT ARE NOT EXACTLY COUNCIL DISRESPECT CLOSELY ALIGNED WITH THAT.

ALSO, WE HAD A GOOD REPRESENTATION OF DIFFERENT HOUSEHOLD INCOMES. MAKING SURE WE ARE NOT JUST GETTING THE MOST AFFLUENT COMMUNITY MEMBERS RESPONDING BUT ALSO THOSE THAT ARE NOT AS AFFLUENT.

I REPORTED THIS AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING, BUT IT IS GOOD TO REFOCUS AGAIN, PART OF THE STATISTICALLY VALID SURVEY ONLY ASKED THE RESIDENTS THE IMPORTANCE OF PARKS, RECREATION AND OPEN SPACE, 86% OF HER RESIDENCE CLASSIFIED IT AS VERY IMPORTANT AND 30% IMPORTANT. THE LAST TIME WE DID THE SURVEY, 72% SAID VERY IMPORTANT.

THE TOTAL COLLECTIVE AMOUNT OF IMPORTANT AND VERY IMPORTANT HAS REMAINED 99% FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS.

THEY NOT RESIDENCE THAT THE US IS VERY IMPORTANT CONTINUES TO INCREASE BY 10 TO 12 POINT MARGINS EVERY YEAR.WE LOOK AT THE OVERALL - - 70% IS EXCELLENT AND 20% SAID GOOD.

JUST TO PUT OUT PERSPECTIVE, 27% NATIONALLY SAY PARKS ARE EXCELLENT SHAPE. OVERALL, THE AVERAGE IS 87% AND AGAIN, WE ARE AT 98%. IT TALKS ABOUT OUR COMMITMENT, LISTEN COMMUNITY THANKS TO THE RESOURCES PROVIDED BY THE COMMUNITY THAT WE ARE PROVIDING TOP RATE PARKS AND RECREATION'S EXPERIENCE. I SHOULD SAY THAT THE ONLINE SURVEY WHICH IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THOSE THAT ARE NOT - - THOSE RESULTS VERY CLOSELY MIRRORED THE STATISTICALLY VALID SURVEY MOSTLY FOCUS ON THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE TOP ITEMS ARE RESIDENTS OF THAT THEY WANTED, WE LOOK AT THE FACILITIES AND AMENITIES, NATURE TRAILS AND BOARDWALKS CAME IN AT NUMBER ONE.

HISTORICALLY, WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR SURVEYS AS WELL AS NATURAL SURVEYS, TRAILS, ON TOP. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT NATURE TRAILS, TOP. DEFINITELY A FOCUS ON THE EMERGENT NATURAL AREAS. ALSO NEW THIS TIME WITH THE INTEREST IN KAYAKING FOR RENTALS AND - - TO MAKE THE TOP FOUR. DEFINITELY THE WHITE RIVER REVISION PLAN HAS PUT A RENEWED INTEREST ON THE WHITE RIVER WHICH ALSO RELATES THE INTEREST IN CANOEING AND KAYAKING.

THEN LIKE I SAID, MULTIPURPOSE TRAILS WAS STILL ON THE TOP FOUR, BUT HELD ONTO NUMBER THREE THIS TIME.

A LAUNDRY LIST OF RECREATION PROGRAMS, WELLNESS AND SPECIAL EVENTS ALONG WITH SENIOR SPECIFIC PROGRAMS ROUNDING OUT THE TOP THREE. WITHIN OUR SURVEY AS INDICATED, WE LOOK T DIFFERENT PLANNING AREAS WE CAN HONE IN ON WHAT EACH AREA OF TOWN IS INTERESTED IN AS FAR AS THE RECREATIONAL AMENITIES AS WELL AS PROGRAMMING.

YOU CAN DO PRETTY MUCH ACROSS THE BOARD IN THE TOP THREE AND IN MOST CASES, THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY FOR EACH OF THE AREAS IN TOWN WAS NATURE TRAILS AND BOARDWALKS AND CANOEING.

KAYAKING CAME IN VERY HIGH, OVERALL NUMBER TWO.

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LIKEWISE FOR RECREATION PROGRAMMING, I DON'T EXPECT YOU TO SEE THE NUMBERS BUT THE POINT IS WE ARE LOOKING VERY CLOSELY AT WHAT ARE THE NEEDS SO WE CAN ADDRESS ACCORDINGLY.

I WOULD TAKE ALL THE PUBLIC - - SURVEYS, FOCUS GROUPS AND OTHER MEANS OF INTERACTING WITH THE COMMUNITY, WE HAVE SEEN SOME THEMES THAT WE ANTICIPATE ADDRESSING IN THE MASTER PLAN .

FIRST OF ALL, GOING TO TAKE A LOOK AT SPECIAL EVENTS AND SENIOR PROGRAMS. OVERALL, THOSE ARE TWO AREAS THAT HAD HIGH INTEREST IN THE COMMUNITY THROUGHOUT VARIOUS AREAS. OBVIOUSLY, PRIME LIFE ENRICHMENT CENTER IS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY AND PROVIDES EXCELLENT SERVICES FOR SENIORS BUT HAS CHALLENGES.

SO, WHAT OPPORTUNITIES FOR COLLABORATION AND PARTNERSHIPS? WHAT IS OUR ROLE IN ENSURING OUR SENIORS HAVE INCREDIBLE EXPERIENCES? LIKEWISE WITH SPECIAL EVENTS, MANY OF THE SPECIAL EVENTS ARE FACILITATED THROUGH THE COMMUNITY RELATIONS AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT. THEY DO A PHENOMENAL JOB ATTHAT BUT THOSE ARE PREDOMINANTLY FOCUS WITHIN THE CENTRAL CORE OF THE CITY . ARE THERE OPPORTUNITIES EITHER WORKING WITH - - PROVIDE SPECIAL EVENTS IN OTHER AREAS OF THE COMMUNITY? ALSO DOING SO IN A MANNER THAT IS ALIGNED WITH THE CARRYING CAPACITY OF THE PARKS WE HAVE IN THE VARIOUS SIDE OF TOWN. OUTDOOR ADVENTURE OPPORTUNITIES, THE SOMETHING WE STARTED HEARING ABOUT THE LAST MASTER PLAN, THE ONE WE ARE CURRENTLY UNDER BUT DEFINITELY A THEME WITH KAYAKING AND CANOEING IS ONE REPRESENTATIVE EXAMPLE. DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE ARE NOT USUALLY INVOLVED IN RIGHT NOW, BUT IF YOU WERE TO GO INTO A NEW AREA, THIS IS ONE WE BELIEVE WILL BE WELL RECEIVED IN THE COMMUNITY AS WELL AS ONE THAT CONTRIBUTE TO THE OPERATING EXPENSES. SOMETHING THE USES THAT ARE DOING CAN MOST ENJOY. CONNECTIVITY, WHICH HAS BEEN A THEME IN EVERY PLANNING EFFORT WAS FOR PARKS IN THE CITY LOOKING AT HOW TO CONNECT THE PARKS AND DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODSTOGETHER . THAT OF COURSE SOMETHING DONE IN COLLABORATION WITH THE CITY, LOOKING AT COMPLETION OF THE WHITE RIVER GREENWAY WHICH SCORED VERY HIGHLY.

ALSO, OPPORTUNITIES FOR NATURE. ALSO WE GOT IT IS MORE - - THROUGH THE SURVEYS, IT'S PERCEIVED CAPACITY ISSUES AND OVERCROWDING. SHE THAT WERE SUMMER CAMPS, THE CAPACITY IS WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PLACES TO HOST THE CAMPS. LOOKING AT HOW CAN WE CREATIVELY ADDRESS THAT ISSUE. THANKS IN THE COMMUNITY CENTER, MORE SPECIFICALLY THE WATERPARK, PERCEPTION THAT THOSE ARE BUSIER. HOW DO WE ALIGN REALITY WITH THE PERCEPTION OF THE PUBLIC AND ADDRESS THAT? AS WE ALL KNOW, - - IS REALITIES THAT I STILL NEEDTO FOCUS ON . WE DEFINITELY HEARD THE DESIRE FOR PRESERVATION OF MORE OPEN SPACE THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY.

HOW CAN WE WORK WITH CITY PARTNERS WITH OTHER ENTITIES TO ADDRESS AND ACQUIRE MORE PROPERTIES? SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING FOR QUITE SOME TIME IS THE LONG-TERM FUNDING AND FINDING A SOLUTION THAT, RECREATION AND PARKS WOULD HAVE THE RESOURCES TO MEET THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY. PART IF THAT IS CONTINUING THE DIALOGUE TO THECITY AND THE TOWNSHIP , LOOKING AT THE ROLE THE PARKS FOUNDATION THAT WE HAVE THAT IS STILL KIND OF IN ITS INFANCY, BUT CERTAINLY AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO LEVERAGE, BUT CANNOT BE THESOLE FUNDING . DRIVEN BEHIND ALL OF THIS, THE FEEDBACK WE HAVE ALWAYS HEARD YEAR AFTER YEAR SINCE BEFORE I WAS NEVER A PART OF THE PARK SYSTEM IS OUR RESIDENT EXPECTED TO TAKE CARE OF THE - - WE HAD. IT'S IMPORTANT YOU DON'T GET

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THEN, WE WILL ULTIMATELY FINALIZE THAT MASTER PLAN AND PRESENTED IN AT A SUBSEQUENT MEETING, ULTIMATELY ADOPT THAT.

OF COURSE I WILL BRING A HIGHLIGHT OF THAT TO THE CITY COUNCIL IN FUTURE MEETINGS. WITH THAT, HAPPY TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS THE CITY COUNCIL MIGHT HAVE.

>> THANK YOU, DIRECTED. COUNSELOR GREEN.

>> THANKS MICHAEL FOR THE PRESENTATION.

WE WERE TALKING WITH A LONG-RANGE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN NOW BECOMING FORWARD IN THE SPRING AND LOOKING FOR FRUITFUL CONVERSATIONS ON WAYS TO COME UP WITH THE FUNDING MOVING FORWARD. YOU CAN ON CERTAIN POINTS LIKE OVERCAPACITY AND WATER PARKS, WE TALKED ABOUT THE DOG PARKS, 500 TO 700 PEOPLE ON THE WAITING LIST, HAS ANY THOUGHT A PART OF THE PLAN ANTICIPATING, ARE YOU LOOKING AT THE CURRENT POPULATION OR MEETING POPULATION OR FORECASTING THE

FUTURE CAPACITY NEEDS TO BE? P>> WE ARE LOOKING AT THE POPULATION PROJECTIONS. WE HAVE USE HER OWN CONSULTING SERVICES TO LOOK AT THE PROJECTIONS AND HAVE WORKED WITH THE LCS TO LOOK AT THE PROJECTIONS AND BOTH ARE WITHIN A THOUSAND. WE FEEL CONFIDENT IN UNDERSTANDING WHAT WE BELIEVE THE FUTURE POPULATIONIS GOING TO BE , BUT EVEN LOOKING BEYOND THAT.

WE ARE DEFERENT TAKING THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.

WE KNOW THE COMMUNITY CONTINUE TO GROW AND WILL CONTINUE TO GROW , SO WE NEED TO FACTOR THAT INTO THE PLANS.

THAT'S VERY MUCH SOMETHING UNDER CONSIDERATION.

>> LOOKING AT THE FUTURE AND ADDING TO THE CAPACITY OF THE

PARKS, - - >> LOOKING AT THE FUNDING EQUATION, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF CHALLENGES - - IMMEDIATE FUTURE TO BE LIMITED OR THE OTHER INVESTMENTS.

THE TOWNSHIP FALLS AND THE MAXIMUM LEVY THE TOWNSHIP SHOULD DO. EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE IMPLEMENTED THAT, IT'S NOT A VIABLE FUNCTION FOR US RIGHT NOW. THOSE DOLLARS ARE COMMITTED FOR OTHER PURPOSES. THAT IS NOTSOMETHING AVAILABLE FOR US . SOME COMMUNITIES USE FOOD AND BEVERAGE TO HELP FUND PARKS AND RECREATION, ESPECIALLY CAPITAL INFRASTRUCTURE WE ALREADY FOMENTED THE EXTRA 1% - - WITHIN HAMILTON COUNTY. I'M NOT SURE IT'S APPROPRIATE TO CONSIDER ASKING FOR SPECIAL LEGISLATION TO GO HIGHER.

WE MAY HAVE TO LOOK AND SOME OF OUR BEST OPTIONS MAY BE LOOKING AT SPECIAL LEGISLATION FOR REVENUE SOURCES, BUT THAT IS CERTAINLY NOT A GUARANTEE MECHANISM.

IN THE END, AND I BECOME A MATTER OF PRIORITIZATION AND WHAT ARE THE PRIORITIES OF THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE ADMINISTRATION, AS WELL AS THE PRIORITIES OF THE TOWNSHIP .

COMING TO A CONSENSUS ON HOW TO USE THE RESOURCES WE HAVE THE BEST ADDRESS THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE.

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>> I LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING THIS CONVERSATION IN THE

SPRING, THANK YOU. >> COUNSELOR HANAN?

>> THANK YOU FOR ANOTHER GOOD REPORT.

>> OUR FUNDS FOR NEW PARKS, SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT.

I THINK THE THING TO BE HIGH PRIORITIES FOR THE INCOMING COUNCIL AS WELL AS THE MAYOR TO MAKE SURE WE OBTAIN MAINTAIN THE QUALITY OF THE PARKS THAT WE HAVE.

I AM FLOORED THAT PICKLE BALL IS NOT AT THE TOP, SO COLOR ME

SURPRISED. >> I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT PICKLE BALL IS NOT THE BOTTOM OF THE LIST , FAR FROM IT.

>> AND THE OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU DIRECTOR COME

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ITEM 12 C, SECOND READING OF ORDINANCE D-2688-23; AN ORDINANCE OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE.

THIS IS TABLED UNTIL NEW COUNCIL.

12 D IS SECOND READING OF ORDINANCE D-2690-23; AN ORDINANCE OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE.

- - AND COMMIT REVENUE BONDS TO SUPPORT THE PROJECT AUTHORIZING AND APPROVING OTHER ACTIONS IN RESPECT THERETO, - - INSTRUMENTS TABLED UNTIL NEW COUNCIL.

HE WILL NOW WITH THE ITEM 12 D. SECOND READING OF ORDINANCE D-2691-23; AN ORDINANCE OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL, INDIANA, DESIGNATING THE CAPERTON-CARTER HOUSE HISTORIC DISTRICT LOCATED AT 35 AND 39 MAPLECREST DRIVE; SPONSOR: COUNCILOR AASEN. R THIS REMAINS IN LAND USE.

ITEM F, SECOND READING OF ORDINANCE D-2696-23; AN ORDINANCE OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL, INDIANA, ADDING CHAPTER 8, ARTICLE 4, SECTION 8-44 TO THE CARMEL CITY CODE; SPONSOR(S): COUNCILOR(S) WORRELL, AASEN, RIDER AND HANNON. .THIS REMAINS IN FINANCE. THERE ARE NO PUBLIC HEARINGS

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A IS FIRST READING OF ORDINANCE D-2692-23; AN ORDINANCE OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL, INDIANA, AMENDING CHAPTER 9, ARTICLE 2, DIVISION IV, SECTION 9-55 AND RESTATING THE SCHEDULE OF RATES AND CHARGES COLLECTED BY THE WATER UTILITY SPONSOR(S): COUNCILOR(S) WORRELL AND

FINKAM. >> MOVED INTRODUCE.

>> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A SYNOPSIS THAT READS, COUNSELOR NELSON, WHICH READ THE SYNOPSIS, PLEASE?

>> AMENDS THE RATES AND CHARGES FOR WATER SERVICE COLLECTED BY CARMEL UTILITIES WITH THE CITY OFCARMEL .

>> PRESENT HERE ARE REPRESENTATIVE - - IS THAT CORRECT? ARGUMENT OPEN IT UP?

>> THANK YOU COUNSELOR WORRELL. THIS IS A WATER RATE INCREASE ORDINANCE. WE HAVE INCREASED COSTS THAT WE ARE SEEING AND WILL IN THE FUTURE.

PRIMARY AMONG THOSE TWO MAIN ONES ARE POWER AND STAFF COSTS HAVE GONE UP CONSIDERABLY. I CAN HAVE SCOTT MILLER MAKE HISPRESENTATION NOW, I JUST THOUGHT I WOULD PUT A BRIEF

INTRODUCTION . >> THIS DEFINITELY WILL GO TO COMMITTEE. WE HAVE A DECEMBER 18 MEETNG,

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I THINK THE SECRET TO FINANCE. UNLESS THERE IS OBJECTION, I THINK WE SHOULD OF THE PRESENTATION.

IT'S A LONG PRESENTATION? IN THE SPIRIT OF TRANSPARENCY, WE NEED TO LET EVERYONE KNOW WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE, SO PLEASE GO AHEAD. WE WILL OBVIOUSLY GET INTO THE DETAILS AND NUTS AND BOLTS AND COMMITTEE .

>> GOOD EVENING COUNCIL, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TONIGHT. WE WILL TRY TO KEEP THIS BRIEF

FOR YOU.>> COULD YOU EXPLAIN HOW YOU ARE RELATED TO UTILITIES AND THE NAME OF YOUR FIRM?

>> SCOTT MILLER, A PARTNER WITH BAKER UTILITY MUSICAL ADVISORS.

WE ARE THE ADVISOR TO THE CITY ON NUMEROUS FINANCIAL MATTERS BUT ALSO WORK WITH UTILITIES ON LOOKING AT THE RATES AND CHARGES FOR BOTH WATER AND WASTEWATER IN HELPING THE UTILITIES WITH FINANCING AS WELL.

WE'VE GOT A BRIEF PRESENTATION TO HIT SOME OF THE HIGH POINTS OF WHY WE ARE HERE WITH ORDINANCES FOR WATER AND SEWER RATES, AND AS WE DISCUSSED, WE CAN GET INTO ANSWER QUESTIONS AND I COULD ALSO GET INTO DETAILS AS WE GET INTO COMMITTEE. SINCE IT IS A CHANGE IN RATES, IT WOULD REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING AS WELL AT A FUTURE COUNCIL MEETING, SO YOU CAN HONESTLY ANSWER QUESTIONS AT THAT TIME TOO. REAL QUICK, AS MR. DUFFY MENTIONED, WE HAVE A SITUATION WITH INCREASE IN COST, MUCH LIKE EVERYTHING IN THE WORLD THOSE DAYS.

INCREASING COST TO OPERATE UTILITY, WILL IT WILL SHOW A COUPLE OF GRAPHS HERE IN A SECOND THAT WILL HIGHLIGHT THE CHANGES TO POWER AND PAYROLL. THIS IS A BRIEF REMINDER OF UTILITY SYSTEM THAT SERVES THE CITY AND THESURROUNDING AREA .

I WILL GO THROUGH AND READ THROUGHALL OF THESE .

SOME HIGH POINTS ON HERE IS BACK IN 2019, WE SHOULD BOND ANTICIPATION NOTES TO PAY FOR IMPROVEMENTS IN THE SYSTEM AND TO CONNECT MANY OF THE CUSTOMERS IN THEHOME PLATE AREA . WE NEEDED TO PROVIDE THEM SERVICE. WE ARE EXTENDING THE MATURITY DATE ON THOSE BANDS, THE CLOSING IF THAT IS TOMORROW.

THE NEW MATURITY AND THAT DATE IS MAY 1 24.

THAT IS A COMPONENT OF THIS REQUEST AS WELL AS WE MOVE THROUGH AND GET INTO THE DETAILS.

ANOTHER MAJOR ISSUE IN ADDITION TO CONNECTING CUSTOMERS HERE RECENTLY OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS AND AT THE HOMEPLACE, THE CITY, UTILITY GOING BACK 2005 HAD AN EXTREMELY LARGE INCREASE INCUSTOMERS . IN 2005 AND IN 2006, CARMEL UTILITIES TOOK OVER ABOUT 8300 CUSTOMERS THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY SERVED BY INDIANAPOLIS WATER AT THE TIME.

THAT HAD A HUGE INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF CUSTOMERS FROM 2005 PAND 2006.AS A PART OF TAKING ON THOSE CUSTOMERS AND GETTING READY TO PROVIDE NOT ONLY FOR THEM, BUT ALSO THE FUTURE GROWTH YOU SEE PLAYED OUT OVER THE REST OF THIS CRAFT, THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF INVESTMENT MADE TO THE CAPITAL FACILITIES OF THE WATER UTILITY AT THAT TIME.

PART OF WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT DOING WITH THIS CHANGE IN RATES IS RESTRUCTURING THAT DEBT AND SMOOTHING THAT REMAINING DEBT SERVICE OUT. AND THAT WE HAVE SO MANY MORE CUSTOMERS, WE ENDED 2005 WITH ABOUT 2000 15,000 CUSTOMERS AND NOW WE ARE ALMOST 33,000 CUSTOMERS.

EVEN MUCH LARGER CUSTOMER BASE TO SPREAD THOSE COSTS OVER, AND THESE ARE ASSETS THAT WE ARE STILL WORKING AND BEING USED TO PROVIDE SERVICE. THAT WILL ALLOW US TO STRETCH THAT COST OUT OVER A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME.

I MENTION COST INCREASES, MR. DUFFY REFERRED TO THIS AS WELL.

HERE IS A SNAPSHOT OF A COUPLE OF MAJOR ITEMS. AS WE LOOK AT THE COST THAT WAS INCURRED BY THE UTILITIES BACK IN 2012, WHICH IF YOU REMEMBER WAS A DROUGHT YEAR, LOTS OF

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SO FAR THIS YEAR, WE ARE LOOKING LIKE IT IS GOING TO BE ABOUT $1.6 MILLION FOR POWER COST THIS YEAR.

ABOUT THE SAME AMOUNT OF GALLONS PUMPED.

SO SINCE 2012 TO NOW, THE COST OF THAT POWER HAS DOUBLED IN TERMS OF OPERATING PLAN AND OPERATING THE BOOSTER STATIONS, AND STRIPPING THE WATER THROUGHOUT THE SYSTEM.

WE ALSO HAVE HAD A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN PAYROLL AND BENEFITS. WITHOUT A NUMBER OF NEW POSITIONS, I THINK WE HAD THREE NEW DEPOSITIONS IN TOTAL, AND A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN PAYROLL AND BENEFIT COSTS BECAUSE OF THE MARKET THAT WE ARE IN.

IT IS DIFFICULT TO FIND AND RETAIN QUALIFIED EMPLOYEES AT THIS TIME. LOTS OF NUMBERS AND COLORS ON THIS CHART. MANY HIGHLIGHT FOR YOU WHAT THIS IS. THIS SHOWS THE OUTSTANDING DEBT SERVICE PAYMENTS FOR THE WATER UTILITY AS THINGS EXIST RIGHT NOW. WHAT YOU SEE WITH THIS IS THE BLUE COLOR RIGHT HERE IS THE SERIAL PORTION OF THE BONDS THAT WERE ISSUED BACK IN 2005. THIS ORANGE PORTION IS THE CAPITAL APPRECIATION BOND PORTION OF THE PROJECT.

THE FINANCING BACK IN 2005 TO BRING THE CUSTOMERS ON FROM THE IWC SYSTEM EXTENDED THE REPAYMENT STRUCTURE OUT OVER A LONG PERIOD OF TIME TO ALLOW THE ADDITIONAL CUSTOMER GROWTH WE HAVE HAD SINCE THAT TIME SO WE CAN SPREAD THAT COST OVER A LARGER CUSTOMER BASE. THOSE IMPROVEMENTS AS I HAVE SAID ARE STILL BEING USED BY CUSTOMERS TODAY BUT REQUIRE A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN CAPACITY AT THAT TIME.

WE ARE FACED WITH NOW IS THIS ACCELERATING DEBT SERVICE IN THE RATES AND CHARGES RIGHT NOW WILL SUPPORT SOMEWHERE IN THE $9 MILLION RANGE. WE NEED TO ADJUST RATES TO DEAL WITH THAT. WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO DO IN THE SPRING, SOME OF THIS INCREASE GOES FORWARD IS RESTRUCTURED THIS DEBT MUST MOVE IT OUT AND EXTENDED SO WE ARE AT $12 MILLION PER YEAR FOR A MUCH LONGER PERIOD OF TIME.

IN ADDITION TO THE INFLATION THAT WE ARE EXPERIENCING IN POWER AND PAYROLL AND THE OTHER EXPENSES, ANOTHER COMPONENT OF THIS IS TO TRY AND SMOOTH THAT OUT TO SPREAD THOSE COSTS.

WHAT THE ORDINANCE BEFORE YOU PROPOSES IS AN INCREASE THAT WOULD BEGIN IN 2024. THE INCREASE ON THE WATER UTILITY RATE WOULD BE A FIVE DOLLAR PER MONTH INCREASE AND THEN $1.14 PER 1000 GALLONS BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF WATER YOU USE. THAT INCREASE WOULD TAKE PLACE IN 2024 AND 25, 26, 27, WE WILL GO BACK TO THE NORMAL INFLATION BASED CPI ADJUSTMENT WE HAVE HAD IN PLACE SINCE 2014.

THE LAST NON-INFLATION RATE INCREASE THAT WE HAVE HAD WAS IN 2016. THOSE WOULD KICK BACK AND 25 AFTER WE HAVE A SLIGHTLY LARGER INCREASE IN 24.

AS FAR AS EVERYBODY COMPARED TO THEIR NEIGHBORS, I WILL LIKE THIS CRAFT PERSONALLY, THERE ARE DIFFERENT TREATMENTPROCESS OR CUSTOMER BASE IS THAT EVERYONE WANTS TO KNOW .

SO YOU PROVIDE THAT HERE. THIS SHOWS YOU COMBINED WATER

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WE HAVE TRIED TO GET SOME BETTER REPRESENTATIVE IN SIZE, CUSTOMER MAKEUP, THAT SORT OF THING TO TRY AND GIVE YOU A COMPARISON OF HOW OUR RATES HERE IN CARMEL SECOND TWO OTHER COMMUNITIES. THAT IS THE END OF THE PRESENTATION AND HAVE A SIMILAR SLIDE DECK.

>> HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING WATER, DO YOU HAVE THE SAME

THING WITH SEWER? >> THANK YOU.

I UNDERSTAND INFLATION COST INCREASE IN THE INCREASE IN COST FOR PEOPLE AS THE POPULATION INCREASES.

CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE ESCALATING DEBTPAYMENTS ? I HAVE SEEN A LOT OF BONDS IN THE SEVEN YEARS I HAVE BEEN ON HERE, AND THIS IS DIFFERENT. IT SEEMS LIKE THE TRADITIONAL BOND, YOU GET A BOND LIKE A MORTGAGE ON THE HOUSE.

MOST MORTGAGES ARE FIXED FOR 30+ YEARS.

ESTIMATING DEBT PAYMENT, EXPLAIN TO ME IN 2012 HOW THE BOND WAS STRUCTURED AND WHAT IS HAPPENED SINCE 2012.

IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT IS THE PRIMARY FACTOR FOR WHY WE NEED TO DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO HERE. IT IS TO DEAL WITH THE

ESCALATING DEBT. >> THAT IN THE INFLATION.

WHEN THESE TWO BOND ISSUES, THE BLUE PIECE IS THE SERIAL DEBT.

IN THE PRINCIPLE THAT COMES TO EVERY YEAR, WE HAVE INTEREST PAYMENTS USUALLY TWICE A YEAR. THE BOND GET HIRED OVER A PERIOD OF TIME. FROM 2005 TO 2028, THAT PIECE OF THE DESMOND SORELY RETIRED. THE 2008 SERIAL PIECE WITH ME REACH MATURITY AT 2028. WITH DIFFERENT IS CAPITAL APPRECIATION BONDS.THE MONEY IS BEING BORROWED BACK 2005 TO PAY FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS, BUT THERE HAVEN'T BEEN ANY PAYMENT . NO INTEREST OR PRINCIPAL PAYMENTS ON THAT DEBT YET. THAT IS NOT CURRENTLY.29.

I DON'T RECALL OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD THE BOND.

WE WILL END UP PAYING ALL THE PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST IN HIS LATER YEARS, THAT IS HASN'T BEEN ANY PAYMENTS.

WE HAVE GOT THE GROWTH IN PLACE TO SPREAD THIS OUT OVER A MUCH WIDER CUSTOMER BASE. THERE YOU HAVE HAD A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF GROWTH OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS, OBVIOUSLY. NOT ALL OF THAT HAS BEEN RESIDENTIAL, SOME OF IT HAS BEEN LARGE GROWTH AS WELL.

THAT HELPS. THE MORE GALLONS WE SELL, THE MORE CHEAPER IT IS. THAT HAS BEEN A HUGE PART OF THIS. CERTAINLY TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE HAVE THE CAPACITY THAT ASSOCIATED WITH THAT CAPACITY, YES.DELAYING THAT TAKE PAYMENT SERVE TO KEEP THE RATES DOWN. I THINK THERE WAS A 90% RATE INCREASE BACK AT THAT TIME PERIOD WHEN THE BONDS WERE ISSUED. IT WOULD HAVE LIKELY NEEDED TO BE IN THE 60 TO 70% RANGE AT THAT POINT.

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NOW, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT GET DELAYED THAT AND WE CAN SPREAD THAT OUT AND HAVE A MUCH SMALLER IMPACT FOR EVERY

CUSTOMER. >> SO, WE DELAYED IT FOR THE

NEXT GENERATION? >> YES, THESE ARE GENERATIONAL ASPECTS. THEY WILL SERVE FOR ANOTHER 20

TO 30 YEARS AT LEAST. >> I WILL SAVE THE REST FOR

COMMITTEE, THANK YOU. >> COUNSELOR NELSON?

>> THANK YOU MR. PRESIDENT. IS THAT STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE NOT TO PAY HIM PRINCIPAL OR INTEREST? I KNOW WE ARE MORTGAGES THAT WE DON'T GET TO DELAY MAKING THOSE PAYMENTS. WHAT WAS THE THOUGHT BEHIND THAT TOO IF YOU ARE PRIVY TO THAT.

IS THAT A GOOD STRATEGY GOING FORWARD ON OTHER THINGS? FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, THAT SOUNDS LIKE A BAD IDEA.

>> I WOULD CERTAINLY SAY THAT IT IS NOT USUAL.

IT IS NOT THE NORMAL. AT THAT TIME, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, AND I HAVE TO CONFESS, I WAS NOT PERSONALLY INVOLVED AT THE TIME. JOHN AND I HAD A NUMBER OF CONVERSATIONS AND HAVE GONE BACK AND REVIEWED THE DOCUMENTS. IT IS NOT COMMON, BUT AT THE TIME WE HAD $150 MILLION OF IMPROVEMENTS I NEEDED TO BE MADE TO PROVIDE SERVICE FOR THE CUSTOMERS WHO TOOK OVER PLUS THE GROWTH I WAS GETTING READY TO OCCUR IN THE AREA.

IT IS NOT COMMON, BUT WE DO NOT WANT TO PASS ON THE INCREASE THAT WOULD BE NECESSARY FOR THE $150 MILLION IMPROVEMENTS WHEN PEOPLE WEREN'T EVEN IN THE COMMUNITY AT WORK YOU TO PAY THOSE BILLS. IT WAS A WAY TO MATCH UP AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE THROUGH PAYMENT TO THE COST OF THE IMPROVEMENTS WITH THE PEOPLE THAT WILL BE HERE BENEFITING FROM THOSE IMPROVEMENTS.NOT COMMON, EFFECTIVE IN THIS CASE BECAUSE CARMEL IS AT THE GROWTH THAT WE HAVE HAD.

I WOULD NOT DO THIS IN A COMMUNITY THAT WAS NOT POISED TO HAVE THE GROWTH THAT CARMEL HAS HAD, BUT WE HAD THE COURT THAT WAS ANTICIPATED AND IT PLAYED OUT THE WAY IT WAS

ANTICIPATED TO ADD THE TIME . >> IF I COULD ANTHONY BRIEFLY ABOUT THAT TIME PERIOD. AND ACTUALLY STARTED IN 2003, SOUTH OF 146 STREET AND AS SCOTT MENTIONED, THE ACQUISITION OF - - IN 2006. THOSE AREAS WERE NOT IN THE CITY OF CARMEL AT THE TIME.IT WAS A PART OF THE ANNEXATION EFFORT TO DO THAT. IT WASN'T JUST MAYOR BRAINARD, IT WAS THE COUNCIL OF THE TIME BUT DO NOT WANT THREE WATER UTILITIES SERVING IN CLAY TOWNSHIP OR WHAT WOULD BE THE CITY OF CARMEL. I WOULD ALSO ADD THAT BOTH UTILITIES, WHAT WAS IN INDIANAPOLIS WATER IN THE HAMILTON AREA, THE INTRODUCTION WAS FINE FOR THE NORMAL DAY.

IT WAS NOT FINE FOR PEAK SUMMERTIME.

THERE WERE SIGNIFICANT ISSUES THAT WE CORRECTED.

WE TOOK TIME TO DO THAT, BUT IT IS IMPORTANT TO KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON DURING THAT TIME PERIOD OF WHY WE DID WHAT WE DID. THE RATE INCREASE AT THAT TIME, WOULD HAVE BEEN HUGE. THAT IS WHY IT WAS ON THAT WAY.

>> WE WILL TAKE THIS UP AT FINANCE COMMITTEE.

IT'S A PRETTY BIG RATE INCREASE NOW, 30 SOMETHING PERCENT.

IT IS GOOD TO KNOW THAT WE ARE IN THE FAIRWAY IN TERMS OF WHAT THAT IS, BUT I THINK WE ARE ALL INTERESTED IN BUT LOOKS LIKE A BALLOON PAYMENT YEAR. IT IS PROBABLY NOT WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO BE IN BUT WE CAN'T ARMCHAIR QUARTERBACK THAT. THE OTHER PIECE, DOES THIS REFLECT HIGHER INTEREST RATES NOW, OR WERE THOSE RATES LOCKED IN WHEN THE DEBT WAS DEFERRED? RATES HAVE GONE FROM 2% TO 7%.

>> CERTAINLY, INTEREST RATES ARE HIGHER NOW.

IDEALLY, I WILL LOVE TO GET BACK TO THE POINT WHERE WE WERE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WHERE WE HAD 2% INTEREST RATES.

I DOUBT WE ARE GOING TO GET THERE.

IT SOUNDS LIKE WE MAKE SURE TO SEE INTEREST RATES ARE TO GO DOWN IN THE FIRST OR SECOND QUARTER OF THE YEAR.

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INTEREST RATES IN THE MINUTES WILLMARK HAVE GONE DOWN SOMEWHAT . IT HAS BEEN A MUCH BUSIER THANKSGIVING TO CHRISTMAS TIME, WE ARE ABOUT HALFWAY THROUGH THAT ARE COMING ABOUT HALFWAY THROUGH THAT.

HAS BEEN MUCH BUSIER THIS YEAR THAN NORMAL YEARS.

UNDERWRITERS ARE TRYING TO LOCK IN THESE HIGHER INTEREST RATES NOW. YES, THE INTEREST RATES ON THESE WILL BE HIGHER. WE HAVE NOT LOCKED ANYTHING IN, BUT THE DEBT THAT IS OUTSTANDING HAS INTEREST RATES.

IT'S NOT A VARIABLE RATE, THOSE RATES ARE FIXED.

BUT, THIS WOULDESSENTIALLY BE DONE AS A REFUNDING TRANSACTION . WE WILL LITERALLY FUND AND REFINANCE ALL OF THE EXISTING WATER UTILITY DEBT AND RESTRUCTURE IT OUT OVER A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME AND GET THE BESTINTEREST RATE THAT WE CAN GET .

>> COUNSELOR AASEN?>> THANK YOU.

WHEN YOU DO THE PROJECTIONS FOR WHAT THIS INCREASE REVENUE WILL BRING IN, WHAT GROWTH ARE YOU PROJECTING AND CUSTOMERS?

>> FOR THE RATE CALCULATIONS, WE DON'T ASSUME ANY GROWTH.

THE REASON FOR THAT IS SOME OF THE TESTS WE HAVE TO DO DOES NOT ALLOW US TO INCLUDE REVENUES FROM NEW CUSTOMERS? TO THE EXTENT THAT WE HAVE FUTURE GROWTH, THAT WILL HELP EXTEND THE LIFE OF THESE RATES FOR A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME.

>> WE WILL GROW, THERE IS A DEMAND HOW MUCH PEOPLE WANT TO GROW, BUT WE WILL GROW. THE MORE WE GROW, THE LESS THAT RATE BECOMES FOR EVERYBODY, RIGHT? YOU WOULD SHARE THE COST OUT, RIGHT?

>> THIS ORDINANCE WAS SET THE RATE AT THIS LEVEL.

SO LET'S SAY, TAKE AN EXTREME EXAMPLE, THE IS SOMETHING THAT ALLOWS US TO CONNECT 10,000 CUSTOMERS AND WE ARE COLLECTING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF MORE DOLLARS PER YEAR.

YOU WOULD HAVE TWO OPTIONS. YOU EITHER USE THAT MONEY FOR OTHER IMPROVEMENTS OR OPERATING COSTS, AND IT EXTENDS THE LIFE OF THE RATES FOR YOU TO HAVE ANOTHER BUDGET INCREASE BEYOND WHAT YOU DO ON AN ANNUAL BASIS OR COUNCIL CAN GO BACK AND ADJUST THE RACE DOWNWARD. IT WILL TAKE THE KIND OF EFFORT

TO ADJUST THE RACE DOWNWARD. >> VERY GOOD, LET'S MOVE ON TO SEWER. HE WILL HAVE FIRST READING OF ORDINANCE FIRST READING OF ORDINANCE D-2693-23; AN ORDINANCE OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL, INDIANA, AMENDING CHAPTER 9, ARTICLE 2, DIVISION II, SECTION 9-44, CHAPTER 9 ARTICLE 2, DIVISION III SECTIONS 9-45, 9-51 AND 9-52 AND CHAPTER 9 ARTICLE 2, DIVISION IV, SECTIONS 9-58, 9-62, AND 9-75 OF THE CARMEL CITY CODE; SPONSOR(S): COUNCILOR(S) WORRELL AND FINKAM. CAN HAVE A MOTION TO INTRODUCE?

>> MOVED TO INTRODUCE. >> AND A SECOND.CAN YOU READ THE SYNOPSIS PLEASE, COUNSELOR RIDER?

>> AMENDS THE SCHEDULD NONRECURRING WATER SERVICE FEES COLLECTED BY, UTILITIES WITHIN THE CITY OF CARMEL.

>> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. >> THIS ACTUALLY WATER, NOT THE

SEWER YET. >> THIS IS FOR THE FEES, YES.

>> NONRECURRING FEES ARE ONE-TIME FEES TYPICALLY PAID BY BUILDERS OR DEVELOPERS. I BELIEVE THERE IS A FEE IN THERE FOR A BAD CHECK, THOSE TYPES OF FEES .

THEY ARE PART OF OUR REVENUE STREAM.

IN A TYPICAL YEAR, THOSE ARE AROUND $600-$700,000, SO WE ARE LOOKING TO RAISE THOSE AS WELL. VERY RARELY DOES A HOMEOWNER PAY THOSE FEES, IT IS MUCH MORE THE BUILDER OR DEVELOPER.

>> ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE THIS GOES TO COMMITTEE?

COUNSELOR HANDING? >> WE WILL TALK ABOUT THIS IN THE COMMITTEE, BUT THIS JUST THE CONNECTION FEE THAT IS GONE UP. ONE THING I WILL LIKE TO

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WE CAN DISCUSS AND COMMITTEE. >> OKAY.

I WILL IT'S NEVER COMMITTEE HOW THESE FEES COMPARE TO OUR SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES AND BENCHMARKING.

VERY GOOD. HE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO ITEM C, FIRST READING OF ORDINANCE D-2694-23; AN ORDINANCE OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL, INDIANA, AMENDING CHAPTER 9, ARTICLE 3, DIVISION IV, SECTION 9-171 OF THE CARMEL CITY CODE; SPONSOR(S): COUNCILOR(S) WORRELL AND FINKAM .

>> MOVED TO INTRODUCE . >> SECOND.

>> SYNOPSIS PLEASE, COUNSELOR AASEN.

>> THIS ORDINANCE AMEND THE CHARGES FOR THE SEWER SERVICE COLLECTED BY THE CARMEL UTILITIES WITHIN THE CITY OF

CARMEL . >> THANK YOU.

MR. DUFFY? >> THIS IS ALSO A RATE INCREASE ORDINANCE FOR SANITARY SEWER, RATES AND CHARGES.

THE SUPERSTORE IS DIFFERENT THAN WATER, SCOTT WILL EXPLAIN THAT. IT'S MORE OF A TRADITIONAL DEBT PSTRUCTURE. WASTEWATER UTILITY, THE WASTEWATER PLANT ITSELF IS IN GOOD SHAPE.

THAT EXPANSION WILL LAST THE CITY FOR MANY YEARS TO COME, WE ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW WHICH IS THE KEY COMPONENT OF THE SYSTEM. THE WASTEWATER UTILITY ALSO HAS OBVIOUSLY INCREASED COST AS WELL, POWER AND PAYROLL.

NOT AS EXTREME AS WATER, BUT THE WASTEWATER COLLECTION SYSTEM, WE SERVE ABOUT 70,000 CUSTOMERS PRIMARILY ON THE EAST SIDE. THE SEWER SYSTEM HAS SERVED THE CITY WELL FOR MANY DECADES. THE ORIGINAL LAYOUT WAS GOOD.

WE ARE SEEING DETERIORATION AND SOME OF THE PIPES IN THE GROUND. WE HAVE SIGNIFICANT EFFORT AND DOING REHABILITATION OF THOSE PIPES.

WE HAD A LOT OF SUCCESS, WITH ALL THE GROWTH OR REDEVELOPMENT OF PARTICULAR IN THE CORE AREA OF CARMEL.

OUR MASTER PLANNING INDICATES THAT WE HAVE PIPES THAT EITHER ARE, NOT TODAY, THIS IS NOT A TODAY PROBLEM BUT IT IS NOT TOO FAR OUT. THEY ARE UNDERSIZED AND WILL NEED TO BE UP SIZED BASED ON WHAT WE KNOW TODAY WITH THE GROWTH THAT IS COMING. UTILITIES IN GENERAL, WE NORMALLY HAVE THE LUXURY OF SITTING BACK AND SAYING THAT YOU CANNOT DO THAT, WE NEED TO GET READY AND STAY IN TOUCH WITH WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE COMMUNITY, BE READY FOR IT AND PLAN FOR ENTERED SO, WE SEE SOME FUTURE DEBT THAT PROBABLY WILL NEED TO BE ISSUED. WE WOULD LIKE TO BUILD SOME CASH FOR THAT AS WELL AS COVER OUR INCREASED OPERATING COSTS.

UNLESS THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO SCOTT AND LET HIM DO HIS PRESENTATION.

>> .SCOTT. >> SIMILAR INFORMATION, SAME LAYOUT AS THE WATER, HERE. JUST SOME BACKGROUND INFORMATION, 70,000 CUSTOMERS CURRENTLY HAVE BEEN SOME PRETTY SIGNIFICANT WORK AT THE TREATMENT PLAN TO EXPAND CAPACITY. AS JOHN JUST SAID, IT'S COLLECTION SYSTEM ISSUES THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS AT THIS POINT. THE GROWTH TREND ON THE WASTEWATER UTILITY AGAIN, SIGNIFICANT GROWTH BACK IN 200 . A LITTLE OVER 15,500 CUSTOMERS AND NOW UP TO APPROACHING 17,500.

WE DO PROVIDE WESTFIELD AS WELL.

A LOT OF THAT FLOW COMES TO US FOR TREATMENT.

DOES NOT REALLY REFLECTED AS ONE CUSTOMER, BUT IT IS A LOT OF PEOPLE. ON THE WASTEWATER SIDE, THIS WILL LIKELY BE PRETTY SMALL. AGAIN, ON THE WASTEWATER SIDE, WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT AS JOHN SAID TO COVER COSTS BASED ON INCREASED OPERATING EXPENSES BUT ALSO LOOK TO LIKELY HAVE A FINANCING AS THE SAVIOR IN THE NOT-TOO-DISTANT FUTURE TO FUND SOME OF THESE OF SIZES OF EXISTING COLLECTION ACROSS THE

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GOING BACK TO THE NORMAL ANNUAL CPI INCREASE.

THIS IS THE SAME GRAPH, JUST FOCUS ON WASTEWATER.

YOU CAN SEE AGAIN BUT BUT THE WATER AND THE WASTEWATER INCREASES, CARMEL ENDS UP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PACK HERE.

WE ARE ON THE LOW END NOW. THIS IS WHAT WE SEE AROUND THE STATE, AS COMMUNITIES TO THEIR RECRUITMENT PROJECTS.

WE SEE A SITUATION WHERE THEY WILL JUMP UP AND EVERYONE ELSE WILL CATCH UP AND WE CONTINUE TO SEE THAT TREND.

THAT IS THE EXTENT OF THE SEWER PRESENTATION.

>> COUNSELOR GREEN?>> NO QUESTIONS ON THE BOND.

THE BOND IS SIMPLE, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR JOHN.

WE HAVE ALL THE TEARING SMALL PIPES THAT NEED TO BE REPLACED AND WE WILL DO IT THROUGH FINANCIAL BONDS.

WHAT HAPPENS IF WE DON'T REPLACE THESE PIPES? WHAT IS THE CONSEQUENCE OF THAT?

YOU GIVE ME A COLORFUL EXAMPLE. >> IN THE WASTEWATER WORLD, IF IT FLUSHES, IT GOES AWAY. YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE IT AGAIN.

BUT WHERE DOES IT GO? >> WE CAN BE A BASEMENT UP OUT

OF THE MANHOLE? >> I THOUGHT OF MORE COLORFUL TERMS OF COURSE. THIS IS MORE OF A CAPACITY ISSUE, I THINK WE SHOULD USE LESS THAT WE ARE GOOD.

ON THE WASTEWATER SIDE WE ARE RUNNING UP TO SOMECONSTRAINTS .

WE NEED BETTER COMMUNICATION AMONG DEPARTMENTS BECAUSE THIS MASSIVE GROWTH OF APARTMENTS AND OTHER-30 STUFF IN OTHER DISTRICTS, THAT IS REALLY WHERE WE ARE RUNNING UP AGAINST THE SPIRIT MAKING SURE GOING FORWARD AFTER WE FIX THIS, THERE ARE COMMUNICATION CAPACITY COSTS ETC. FOR UTILITIES AS A PART OF THE PLANNING PROCESS.

BY THE WAY, I FORGOT TO ASK, HE APPARENTLY KNOWS THAT THE GROWTH IS GOING TO BE. I WOULD LOVE TO GET THAT ANSWER BECAUSE I'VE NEVER HEARD FROM ANYBODY.

>> ANY COMMENT ON THAT? >> NO, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HAVING A MEETING TONIGHT AND INTRODUCING THIS.

I KNOW THISIS NOT SCHEDULED WE APPRECIATE THAT .

>> I WANT TO BE CLEAR, 2692, 2693, AND 2694 WILL GO TO COMMITTEE, FINANCE.ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ARE THERE ANY OTHER BUSINESS TO COME BEFORE THE BODY? ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS?

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.