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GOOD EVENING, WELCOME TO THE JANUARY 16, 2024 MEETING OF CARMEL PLANNING COMMISSION, FIRST OF THE NEW YEAR. I ASKED THAT WE ALL RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
>> THANK YOU. MR. SECRETARY WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLE PLEASE?
[C. Roll Call]
[D. Declaration of Quorum]
ACCOUNTED FOR WITH THE EXCEPTION OF MISS WESTERMEIER, WE HAVE A QUORUM. SO, BECAUSE COMMISSIONER MANNAR IS PARTICIPATING REMOTELY SHE CAN PARTICIPATE UNDER WAS A PROCEDURE, BUT MAY NOT VOTE ON ANY MATTERS THIS EVENING. JAN,[E. Approval of Minutes]
WELCOME. LET'S SEE . APPROVAL OF MINUTES, DECEMBERCOMMISSION MEETING . >> MOVED TO APPROVE.
>> THANK YOU BOTH . ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
[F. Communications, Bills, Expenditures, & Legal Counsel Report]
>> APPROVED. 'S MINIATURES REPORT OF LEGAL COUNCIL INDISCERNIBLE - LOW VOLUME ] WE WILL SWEAR SHANNON AND AT THE NEXT OPPORTUNITY FOR HER TO BE PRESENT AND WITH US. THAT TAKES US TO ELECTION OF OFFICERS FOR 2024. FOR THE COMMISSION. MR. PRESIDENT I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT YOU RETAIN YOUR POSITION AS THE PRESIDENT AND
>> MR. PRESIDENT I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE NOMINATIONS RIGHT
>> ALL IN FAVOR OF CLOSING THE FLOOR FOR NOMINATIONS SAY
>> ANY OPPOSED? NO, OKAY . ALL IN FAVOR OF MR. GAUCHER'S MOTION SIGNIFIED BY SAYING AYE.
>> IT WILL BE MY PLEASURE TO CONTINUE AS PRESIDENT FOR 2024 . I AM SURE CHRISTINE FEEL THE SAME WAY.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THEN WE MOVED TO ELECTING A MEMBER OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION REPRESENTATIVE TO
THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS. >> YOU ARE CURRENTLY SERVING ON THE BOARD SO I THOUGHT YOU WERE APPOINTED FOR THE FOUR YEARS, BUT FOR GOOD MEASURE I WILL MAKE THE MOTION TO REAPPOINT BRAD TO CONTINUE BEING OUR REPRESENTATIVE ON
THE BOARD OF ZONING. >> SECOND WE SHOULD CLOSE THE
>> ALL RIGHT, ALL IN FAVOR OF CLOSING THE FLOOR FOR NOMINATIONS AND FOR PHYSICAL HIS MOTION SAY AYE.
>> CONTINUED TO SERVE ON THE BOARD. THEN BEFORE WE MOVED TO ELECTION OF THE AT-LARGE MEMBER OF THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE, I WILL ANNOUNCE THE COMMITTEE ROSTER S THIS YEAR .
OVERLAPPING SPEAKERS ] >> I SKIP THE PLANNING COMMISSION NOMINATION. I WILL NOMINATE CHRISTINE FOR THAT
>> I WILL SECOND . >> JUST IN CASE THAT, HAS A MEETING IN 2024 . YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT IT WAS THE NEWEST MOST JUNIOR MEMBER , WHICH IS COMMISSIONER COLEMAN .
EVERYBODY ELSE HAS TO SERVE SOME TIME WITH HIS BODY. I DO NOT WANT TO TAKE AWAY FROM COMMISSIONER ZOCCOLA, BECAUSE
OVERLAPPING SPEAKERS ] >> I AM FINE EITHER WAY. I HAVE
>> YOU DO NOT GET TO VOTE EITHER WAY.
>> I SECOND THE NOMINATION OF MR. KOHLER .
>> MOVED TO CLOSE THE FLOOR FOR NOMINATIONS.
>> SECOND. >> THANK YOU. ALL IN FLAVOR OF CLOSING THE FLOOR FOR NOMINATIONS AND FOR ELECTING
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CHRISTINE AS OUR REPRESENT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION SAY>> ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU . MAKE SURE YOU ARE ON SOMEBODY'S CHRISTMAS LIST FOR THIS YEAR. BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO ELECTION OF THE MEMBER AT LARGE, COMMITTEE ASSIGNMENTS ARE AT THE DISCRETION OF THE PRESIDENT SO I WILL ANNOUNCE THE COMMERCIAL COMMITTEE COMPOSITION , WILL CONSIST OF COMMISSIONERS COLEMAN, KIRSCH, MANNAR AND AYE CORRECTION ZOCCOLA. I WOULD LIKE TO APPOINT KIRSCH AS CHAIRMAN OF THAT COMMITTEE AND THE RESIDENTIAL COMMITTEE I AM APPOINTED COMMISSIONERS BUCKLER, COMPANION, HILL AND WESTERMEIER. MISS WESTERMEIER HAS AGREED TO REMAIN AS CHAIR FOR THAT COMMITTEE. BY DEFINITION THE CHAIRS OF THE TWO COMMITTEES ARE TWO MEMBERS OF THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE OF PLAN COMMISSION ALONG WITH PRESIDENT AND VICE PRESIDENT WHICH LEAVES ONE REMAINING SEAT, AT-LARGE SEAT, AND FOR THAT POSITION, I NOMINATE JEFF HILL.
>> MOTION TO CLOSE THE FLOOR TO NOMINATIONS SUAZO MOVED.
>> SECOND. >> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF CLOSING THE NOMINATIONS AND ELECTING JEFF AS THE AT-LARGE
MEMBER PLEASE SAY AYE. >> AYE.
>> ANY OPPOSED ? >> JEFF, THANK YOU . REPORTS,
[G. Reports, Announcements & Department Concerns]
ANNOUNCEMENTS AND CONCERNS FROM THE DEPARTMENT?>> I WILL CIRCLE BACK TO YOU, COMMISSIONER .
>> THANK YOU. JUST TO SUMMARIZE THE OUTCOME OF THE PROJECTS OF COMMITTEE, WE HAVE THE ANDREWS PUD REZONE, WHICH IS SENT BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION TONIGHT WITH A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION 40 AND THE COMMERCIAL COMMITTEE WE HAD THE DRIVEN NEURO RECOVERY CENTER WAS APPROVED 3-0. NOTHING TO
MENTION FOR TONIGHT, THANK YOU. >> THE CAPITAL GROUP SOLAR PANELS REMAINS IN THE COMMITTEE?
>> YES, IT DOES, REMAINS IN COMMITTEE, BUT THAT WOULD DID NOT START WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
>> CORRECT . >> WE DO NOT ALWAYS MENTIONED
THAT. >> ONLY A DLS, THANK YOU.
COUNSELOR, ANY REPORT OR EXPENDITURES TO SHARE ?
[H. Public Hearings]
>> I HAVE NOTHING, MR. PRESIDENT.
>> GREAT, THANK YOU. THAT TAKES IS TO TONIGHT'S PUBLIC HEARINGS. WE HAVE -- IF MY MOUSE WILL WORK. WE HAVE THREE DOCKETS TO BE HEARD TONIGHT UNDER NEW BUSINESS. THEREFORE PUBLIC HEARINGS, ONE ITEM OF WHOLE BUSINESS. THE COMMISSION'S RULES FOR PROCEDURE FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS PROVIDE FOR 15 MINUTE PRESENTATIONS FROM EACH PETITIONER FOLLOWED BY A PERIOD OF UP TO 20 MINUTES FOR NON-TRANSFER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, EITHER IN FAVOR OR OPPOSITION TO THE PETITION. PETITION THEN HAS FIVE MINUTES TO RESPOND TO THOSE COMMENTS. AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE DEPARTMENT REPORT, PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE CLOSED. THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING THIS EVENING AS DOCKET PC DASH 023 E- 00227, PUD AMEND, CITIZENS GRANT VILLAGE TAKE CARE THE APPLICANT SEE PUD A PERMIT TO ADD THE PREVIOUSLY KNOWN AS CUNNINGHAM PARCEL, INTO THE TEXANS GRANT VILLAGE PUD. NEW
TAKE CARE USE AND LAND? >> IS PROPOSED WHICH WILL ALLOW FOR THREE ADDITIONAL TOWNHOME UNITS TO BE CONSTRUCTED THE WHAT THE ZONING IS S 2 163, - RESIDENCE WITHIN THE WEST 116 HAS BEEN FILED BY ASHLEY ONER- ULBRICHT OF TAFT LAW ON BEHALF OF DEL DEMAO OF DEMOUNT REAL TELL CONSULTANTS LLC. THAT IS
RIGHT. >> ASHLEY, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR
FOR THE NEXT 15 MINUTES. >> THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, CONGRATULATIONS TO ALL THE NEW MEMBERS, AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING BACK FOR ANOTHER TERM. AS PRESIDENT GRABOW SAID MY NAME IS ASHLEY ULBRICHT, ATTORNEY WITH TAFT LAW, REPRESENT THE PETITIONER AND DEVELOPER, ALCHEMIST LLC ON THIS MATTER, THIS EVENING, UNDER DOCKET NUMBER PC 2023-00227. I WANT TO GIVE A SPECIAL THANK YOU TO RACHEL KIESLING AND THE ENTIRE DEAL
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SEE STAFF, MEMBERS OF TAFT FOR THEIR TIME SPENT PROVIDING THOUGHTFUL COMMENTS IN THE REVIEW OF THIS PROJECT , OVER THE PAST FEW MONTHS. I WANT TO START WITH A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE PROPOSAL REQUEST. IT IS IMPORTANT TO STRESS HOW EXCITED I AM TO PRESENT THIS TO YOU TONIGHT. IN ORDER TO FULLY UNDERSTAND THE EXCITEMENT, I WANT TO GIVE A BRIEF HISTORY OF THE JACKSON'S GRANT VILLAGE PUD THAT WAS APPROVED BY YOU ON AUGUST 17, 2020. I WILL DO A LITTLE HISTORY LESSON HERE IN A MINUTE THAT THE REASON WHY THE HISTORY OF JACKSON'S GRANT VILLAGE PUD IS SO IMPORTANT IS THAT WHEN THE PUD WAS PROPOSED IN 2019, THE DEVELOPER, REPUBLIC DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS NOT US, SOUGHT TO PURCHASE A PARCEL END TO INCLUDE IN THAT PUD DEVELOPMENT. FOR REASONS NOT KNOWN TO ME, THAT WAS UNABLE TO BE DONE AT THAT TIME.JACKSON GRANT VILLAGE PUD WENT AHEAD, WENT TO ALL NECESSARY APPROVAL PROCESSES WITHOUT THAT PARCEL AND THAT PARCEL HAD BEEN COMMONLY REFERRED TO THROUGHOUT THAT REQUEST AND SINCE AS THE, QUOTE, UNQUOTE, CUNNINGHAM PARCEL SO YOU WILL HEAR ME TALK A LOT ABOUT THE CUNNINGHAM PARCEL TONIGHT. THAT IS THE PARCEL OF LAND THAT WE ARE SEEKING FOR YOU TO REZONE INTO THE JACKSON'S GRANT VILLAGE PUD. IT IS APPROXIMATELY 1.8 ACRES . AS WE HAVE SAID, MULTIPLE TIMES ALREADY, IT IS CURRENTLY ZONED AS AS 2. WITH APPROVAL OF THE JACKSON GRANT VILLAGE PUD BACK IN 2020, IT REALLY CREATED AN ISLAND WITH THE CUNNINGHAM PARCEL. OUR PROPOSAL TONIGHT SEEKS TO REMEDY THAT PROBLEM. SO BASELINE, OUR PROPOSAL REQUEST IS ACTUALLY VERY SIMPLE. IT HIGHLIGHTS FOUR AREAS, ONE, THE REZONE OF THAT CUNNINGHAM PARCEL FROM S INTO THE JACKSON'S DRINK PUD SO, BECAUSE WE ARE SEEKING TO ADD THAT LANDMASS INTO THE PUD, WE NEED SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO THE APPROVED USES AND THE USE AREA BLOCKS OF THE ALREADY EXISTING PUD. SO THE SECOND PORTION OF OUR PROPOSAL REQUEST WOULD BE TO AMEND THE ALREADY APPROVED USE BLOCK AREA B AND AREA C, AND A HE IS FAMILY TOWNHOMES, C IS APPROVED NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL NOTE OF THE PUD. IF YOU READ THE PACKET, THE PETITIONER IS SEEKING TO AT A DAYCARE USE OR A DAYCARE INTO THE JACKSON'S GRANT VILLAGE PUD IT IS AN ALREADY EXISTING APPROVED USE IN C, BUT FOR REASONS THAT WE WILL GET INTO HERE SHORTLY, WE ARE ASKING TO CREATE A SUBDISTRICT C1 AND C TWO, BREAKUP AREA C IS WHAT WE ARE ASKING, IN ORDER TO ALLOW INDUSTRY STANDARDS TO WORK FOR THIS APPROVED USE. SO BEFORE WE GET ANY FURTHER, JUST A LITTLE BIT OF A HISTORY LESSON HERE FOR WHERE WE ARE, WHERE THIS IS, WHY THIS PROPOSAL HELPS WITH THE ISLAND THAT IS THE CUNNINGHAM PARCEL. AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE LEFT MAP , WE HAVE JACKSON'S GRANT BOULEVARD FOR JACKSON'S -- JACKSON'S GRANT PUD. TO THE IMMEDIATE SOUTH RIGHT NORTH OF 116TH STREET IS A VERY ODD SHAPE THAT IS HIGHLIGHTED IN RED. THAT'S IS THE JACKSON'S GRANT VILLAGE PD PUD. I COMMEND THE PLANNING COMMISSION BACK IN 2019, 2020, FOR THE WORK THAT THEY DID TO INTEGRATE THOSE TWO PDAS TOGETHER, ESPECIALLY ALONGSIDE -- CAN YOU SEE MY CURSOR? AT THE NORTH END, WHERE THEY MEET, THE PLAN ALLOWED FOR THE TOWNHOMES TO BE SEAMLESSLY INTEGRATED FROM BOTH PUD'S. THIS MISSING PIECE , HERE IS A BLOWUP , THE APPROVED JACKSON'S GRANT VILLAGE PUD.
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AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE NORTH END, IT ABUTS THE JACKSON'S GRANT PUD AND THE POINT OF THAT PUD WAS INCORPORATION OF THE JACKSON'S GRANT TOWNHOME LOT AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OF THE TEMPLATE TOWNHOMES INTO THE JACKSON'S GRANT VILLAGE PUD AND AREA USE B. CREATED A COMMERCIAL NOTE AND THAT COMMERCIAL NODE PROVIDED DAYCARE AS EXPRESSLY PERMITTED USES . SO YOU CAN SEE AN OVERLAY. THESE ARE THE APPROVED CURRENT AREAS OF THE JACKSON'S GRANT VILLAGE PUD .AREA A, DETACHED RESIDENTIAL'S . ALREADY APPROVED FOR 19 SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES. NOTHING ABOUT OUR PROPOSAL IS CHANGING AREA A, THIS IS THE FIRST AND LAST TIME I WILL EVER MENTION THAT SECTION TONIGHT . I WANT TO TURN YOUR ATTENTION TO AREA B, IN THE ORIGINAL PUD, IT WAS APPROVED AT 52 ATTACHED RESIDENTIAL TOWNHOMES . IF YOU DRIVE BY THERE, YOU CAN SEE THIS PHASE IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION. THEN THERE IS AN AREA C IN RED . APPROVED THREE CONCEPTUAL MULTITENANT BUILDINGS APPROVED FOR COMMERCIAL USE IS COMPATIBLE WITH NEIGHBORHOOD INTEGRATION .
MOVE BACK ONE . YOU SEE THE MISSING PIECE OF THE SQUARE .
THAT IS THE CUNNINGHAM PARCEL . THIS IS A GOOGLE EARTH VIEW OF THE CUNNINGHAM PARCEL. FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE JACKSON'S GRANT VILLAGE PUD, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE YOU CAN SEE THE SQUARE.
EASY TO IMAGINE. HERE IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, TAKEN BEFORE WINTER , BUT YOU CAN SEE THE BULLDOZERS SURROUNDING THEM TO THE WEST AND ACTUALLY EVEN SEE IT ON THE EAST AS WELL IF YOU LOOK THROUGH THE TREES. SO I AM BRINGING THIS UP , BECAUSE YOU HAVE THIS 1.8 ACRES SINGLE-FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PUD. SO WHY IS THE APPOVAL OF THIS REASON IMPORTANT? THIS IS AND OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE CITY OF CARMEL TO FULFILL THE ORIGINAL VISION FOR THE 116TH STREET SPRINGFIELD WROTE QUADRANT.
INSURANCE CONDUCTIVITY BETWEEN PARCELS, CREATES AN INTEGRATED WELL-PLANNED MIXED-USE DEVELOPMENT AND ADDRESSES UNUSUAL SITE CONDITIONS AND SURROUNDINGS. WHAT DO WE SEE CHANGE ? AS I SAID BEFORE AREA A, NO CHANGE AT ALL. THE GREEN DOTTED LINE ON THIS IS THE CUNNINGHAM PARCEL. THAT WOULD BE WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR REZONE INTO THE PUD. ONCE INTO THE PUD, WHAT DO WE DO WITH IT? MY CLIENT HAS BEEN IN DISCUSSIONS WITH REPUBLIC DEVELOPMENT , THE MASTER DEVELOPER FOR JACKSON'S GRANT VILLAGE PUD. THIS PLAN FOR THAT CUNNINGHAM PARCEL IN ITSELF YOU CAN SEE SPANS INTO AREA B AND AREA C. SO LET ME GET TO -- HERE IS A SIDE-BY-SIDE OF APPROVED VERSUS NEW. THE CHANGE HERE IS THE TOWNHOMES DIRECTLY UNDER THE RED BUILDING, THEY WOULD BE FLIPPED ONTO THE CUNNINGHAM PARCEL. WHEN ADDITIONAL TOWNHOMES WOULD BE ADDED TOWARDS THE 116TH STREET . IN PLACE OF THOSE APPROVED TOWNHOMES, WE ARE SEEKING AND AMENDMENT TO AREA C TO EXTEND THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL NODE TO ACCOMMODATE FOR A, BASICALLY STANDALONE COMMERCIAL BUILDING FOR AN ALREADY EXISTING APPROVED USE OF A DAYCARE. THIS IS A BLOWUP OF THE CUNNINGHAM PARCEL, BLUE DOTTED LINE, SHOWS MORE DETAIL OF THE PLAN . THE TOWER HOMES THAT WOULD BE -- TOWNHOMES THAT WOULD BE PROPOSED ON THAT LOT, THE DAYCARE IS THE SQUARE WITH THE NUMBER 1 AND IT. YOU CAN SEE IT SPANS THE LOT LINE BETWEEN PUD AND THE PARCEL AS
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WELL AS PROVIDING ADDITIONAL PARKING SPOTS IN THE PLAN. IN DECIDING THIS PLAN TONIGHT, SECTION 9.05 OF THE PUD WILL REQUIRE THAT YOU CONSIDER SOME THINGS, ONE, CONFERENCE OF PLAN. WE SUBMIT THAT THIS PLAN DOES MEET THE POLICY GOALS AND OBJECTIVES AND SUPPORTS OF ELEMENT PATTERNS OF THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN. IT SO FULFILL THE GENERAL PURPOSE OF EXISTING JACKSON'S GRANT VILLAGE PUD ZONING ORDINANCE.IT IS A MISSING PIECE OF THE QUADRANT. THE DESIGN IS TO INCREASE CONDUCTIVITY THROUGHOUT THE EXISTING PUD AND THE NEW PARCEL. THIS IS A MOST DESIRABLE USE FOR THE LAND. IT COMPLEMENTS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN NORTH 116TH STREET RESIDENTIAL. WITH THE ADDITION OF A DAYCARE, WHICH MY CLIENT WILL SPEAK TO BRIEFLY IN A SECOND, WILL PROVIDE A NEIGHBORHOOD INTEGRATED APPROVED USE . I AM GOING TO PAUSE NOW AND MY CLIENT SPEAK ABOUT THE
OVERVIEW . >> THANK YOU, INITIALLY, MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. MY NAME IS DAN TO BIO, MYSELF AND THE TEAM MAKES UP TWO TEAM VOLUME ] BUSINESS 25 YEARS WORKING WITH RETAILERS AND RESTAURANTS THROUGHOUT THE MIDWEST. AIR ALCHEMIST IS THE DEVELOPMENT GROUP THAT WE HAVE WORKING WITH TENANT AS FAR IS BUILDING EXPENSE WITH CARMEL WAS ACTUALLY IN 2004 AT CLAY TERRACE. I REPRESENTED ECCLESTONE IS STILL OPEN TODAY. IN ADDITION I LIVE IN CARMEL AT THE VILLAGE OF WEST CLAY . WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT THIS DEVELOPMENT, I WOULD LIKE TO ECHO ASHLEY'S COMMENTS, STAFF HAS REALLY DONE AND INCREDIBLE JOB OF TAKING THE PARCEL THAT WE ORIGINALLY WERE LOOKING AT DEVELOPMENT SEPARATE FROM THIS AND REALLY WORKING WITH STAFF TO AMEND IT INTO WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY PLANNED TO BE PART OF THE OVERALL JACKSON GRANT VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT , VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT. WE COULD
ADDRESS QUESTIONS LATER ON . >> JUST BRIEFLY WITH THE TIME I HAVE LEFT, ANYTHING AND USE BLOCK C RELATED TO THE DAYCARE WOULD BE REQUIRED TO HAVE ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN IN A DLS, APPROVALS WHERE REQUIRED, WE ARE NOT HERE TONIGHT TO SEEK APPROVALS FOR THE ACTUAL BUILDING, BUT JUST THE AMENDMENT FIRST OF ALL THE REZONE OF THE CUNNINGHAM PARCEL INTO THE PUD. THE AMENDMENT S, WHEN EXPANSION OF AREA B AND C THEN TO ESSENTIALLY SPLIT THE EXISTING COMMERCIAL DISTRICT INTO TWO COMMERCIAL SUBDISTRICTS AND THE PURPOSE OF THAT WOULD BE TO MAINTAIN THE EXISTING AND ORIGINAL MULTI USE TENANTS, SPRINGFIELD WROTE . KEEP EVERYTHING COMMERCIAL IN THAT QUADRANT . IN THE SAME REGARD TO CREATE A STANDALONE COMMERCIAL BUILDING FOR DAYCARE AND WE COULD NOT EMPHASIZE ENOUGH THAT IT IS ALREADY AN APPROVED USE FOR THIS PROPOSAL DOES NOT ALLOW FOR ANY LOT SIZES, SETBACKS, INDISCERNIBLE - LOW VOLUME ] FOR AND EXISTING AREA. WE WOULD ASK FOR APPROVAL AND LOOK FORWARD TO QUESTIONS. THANK YOU
. >> THANK YOU. PUBLIC HEARING CONTINUES WITH COMMENTS FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS COMMISSION, CAN WE SEE A SHOW OF HANDS WE COULD DIED THE TEAM EVENLY -- DIVIDE THE TIME EVENLY. I SEE TWO, WAS AT A THIRD HAND, SIR ?
]. >> OKAY, WE HAVE TWO SPEAKERS .
LET'S START WITH SEVEN MINUTES EACH. IF IT RUNS LONGER, A
LITTLE BIT OF MARGIN. >> IF EACH SPEAKER WOULD INTRODUCE THEMSELVES BY NAME AND AREA OF CARMEL GENERALLY
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SPEAKING, WHERE YOU'RE FROM . >> GUST OF ARE, LIVE-IN JACKSON'S GRANT, HERE A FEW YEARS AGO A MAN - LOW VOLUME ] INITIALLY INVOLVED IN THE ORIGINAL JACKSON GRANT VILLAGE PUD. THAT AMENDMENT. I'M INVOLVED HERE TODAY AS WELL. IS A SET A LIVE-IN JACKSON'S RENT ON THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE IN JACKSON'S GRANT WORK WITH THE H WAY VERY CLOSE. YOU MAY RECALL IN 2022 REPUBLIC DEVELOPERS FILED A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE ZONING FOR 21 ACRES AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF 116TH AND SPRINGFIELD WROTE.
20 ACRES PERSIA WAS INITIALLY PART OF THE JACKSON GRANT DEVELOPMENT AND THE JACKSON GRANT EACH WAY. AT THE TIME, IS ONLY FOR THIS 21 PARCEL 21 ACRE PARCEL WAS S TWO LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, FILED A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE ZONING TO MIXED USE PUD, WITH COMMERCIAL SPACE AND SIGNIFICANTLY GREATER DENSITY. 70% OF THE RESIDENTS LIVING IN JACKSON'S GRANT IN NEARBY SUBMITTED LETTERS AND RUNNING AGAINST THE ZONING REQUEST. STRONG MAJORITY WAS AGAINST IT. THOSE LETTERS REMAIN ON TEXAS GRANT VILLAGE DOCKET 191 2002 IF YOU CHOOSE TO REVIEW IT, ONE HAD TRIED SIX LETTERS, 70% AGAINST CHANGES IS ONLY. THE PLAN COMMISSION HERE ACTUALLY VOTED DOWN THIS REQUEST, DID NOT APPROVE IT. PROVIDED AN UNFAVORABLE COMMISSION CITY COUNCIL. SUBSEQUENTLY THE CITY COUNCIL OVERRULED THE PLANNING COMMISSION WHICH UNFORTUNATELY ALSO OVERRULE INDISCERNIBLE - LOW VOLUME ] . WE BELIEVE THIS WAS STRONGLY DUE TO THE PRIOR MAYOR MINISTRATION FOR INCREASED EXITING AND TAX RECEIPTS OVERALL MANY NEIGHBORHOODS ACROSS CARMEL. TODAY WOULD HAVE BEEN A MINUTE TO FILE THE PUD AGAIN TO INCREASE THE COMMERCIAL SPACE 150%. BY ADDING 10,000 SQUARE FEET SCHOOL , SOME CALL IT A, 160 STUDENTS IS GOING TO BE IN THIS FACILITY. 160 STUDENTS IN A 10,000 SQUARE-FOOT FACILITY ADDITIONAL 60 PARKING SPACES.
TOWNHOMES AND LAND? >> TO BE EXISTING THE NINE EXISTING CONNECTIVITY FOR ALL THE NEW COMMERCIAL SO A LOT OF THINGS MOVING PARTS GOING ON TO TRY TO ACCOMMODATE THIS. 10,000 SQUARE-FOOT COMMERCIAL STUDY IS PROPOSED IN THE 60 PARKING SPACES IS QUITE A BIT OF ASPHALT DROP WITHIN AND AROUND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. THE TRAFFIC STUDY ESTIMATED 225 NEW TRIPS DAILY, TRAFFIC FLOW RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT , EXITING JACKSON GRANT VILLAGE ON 116TH STREET AND NOW THEY WANT TO EXTEND THAT DRIVE TO ALLOW THE TRAFFIC AND FLOW FORK IMMEDIATELY SO IF YOU PREFER TO DRIVE EASE ON 160 STREET OR NORTH AT SPRINGFIELD, YOU MAY ELECT TO DRIVE THROUGH JACKSON GRANT STREET TO GET NORTH SPRINGFIELD. KERMAN DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY SERVICES DOES A FINE JOB, BUT THEY WORK WITH AND SUPPORT REQUESTS , THIS REQUEST WITHOUT INCLUDING NEARBY RESIDENTS. WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY INPUT LOW VOLUME ] SO FROM MY POINT OF VIEW THIS IS REALLY WHAT NEEDS TO CHANGE IN THIS PROCESS, BUT THE PUBLIC WOULD LOVE TO BE INVOLVED THE FRONT MORE AS THINGS ARE STARTING TO PERCOLATE AND TO PROPOSE AND HAVE A VOICE. MAYBE WE HAVE A COMPROMISE AFFRONT TO TRY TO GET TO WHERE WE NEED TO GO TOGETHER. THAT IS MY HOPE GOING FORWARD. MEMBER, ALL THE CITY CONCERT AND THE NEW MAYORS WHO RECENTLY RAN ON THE PLATFORM TO PROVIDE MORE TRANSPARENCY AND INVOLVED RESIDENTS AND ADVOCATE FOR NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENTS PROPOSE SUCH AS THIS SO AGAIN I HOPE WE ARE ABLE TO HONOR THOSE PLATFORMS AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH HIS COMMITTEE AS WELL AS NEW CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND RETURNING CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. ANY AREA OF RESIDENCE AGAIN NOT AWARE THE DETAILS OF THIS PROPOSAL, PUBLIC DINNER INDISCERNIBLE - LOW VOLUME ] PRIOR FOR THE PRIOR PUD AND IMPACT OF USAGE OF THIS FACILITY SEEMED UNCLEAR. THE ORIGINAL JACKSON'S GRANT VILLAGE PUD, SEVERAL COMPONENTS WHICH WERE REQUESTED BY AREA RESIDENTS TO MINIMIZE CONGESTION OF TRAFFIC IN THE QUESTIONNAIRE, BUT WE WOULD'VE LOVED TO CUP RACE WITH LITTLE BIT OF TIME, DID NOT GEESTED A BELOW, WE ARE DISCUSSING THAT NOW WITH ADDITION OF THE 1.8 ACRES. PERHAPS A NEARBY RESIDENTS AND CAPSULES LIVING WITHIN AYE WHIPPER FOR MORE MIGHT BE PERFORMED THEN PROPOSE TODAY SUCH AS HIKING OR BIKING TRAILS OR PICKLE BULLETINS GUARD. TENNIS COURTS OR SPORTS COURTS OR A PLAGUE ON AIR FOR THE CHILDREN. THIS WOULD BE A NICE ADDITION. MORE AMENITIES TO THIS AIR WHICH IT SEEMS AMENITIES ARE REALLY NOT STRONG ENOUGH FOR THIS AREA AND MAGICAL NEIGHBORHOOD JACKSON'S GRANT WE ARE EXPERIENCING THAT RED WITH THE 400 HOMES BUILT AND THE AMENITIES WE HAVE. SO IT WOULD BE DOUBLE IF WE DO NOT HAVE MORE AMENITIES AND 3:00 P.M. OF COURSE VOLUME ] JACKSON S GRANT VILLAGE . WE ARE NOW HERE AGAIN TODAY FORCE-FED WE FEEL WITH THE NEW. TO AT SIGNIFICANTLY MORE COMMERCIAL SPACE
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VOLUME ] NOW AVAILABLE IN JACKSON S GRANT VILLAGE . YOUFOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU . MY NAME IS JILL MY SALUTE, BRAD, THANK YOU FOR THE SEVEN MINUTES AFTER SPEND ABOUT AND HOUR TRAINING TO COULD DOWN TO THREE MINUTES.
I LEFT ALL THOSE NOTES AND HOME. YOU SAVE IT FOR THE NEXT TIME, PLEASE? MY NAME IS JILL LISE LINER, LESS THAN A BLOCK IS WHERE I LIVE, JACKSON GRANT VILLAGE PUD, REZONE EVENT REQUEST. I HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING THIS DEVELOPMENT OF THE JACKSON GRANT PUD SINCE IT WAS PROPOSED IN 2011. THIS IS A LONG TIME . WITH THE COMMERCIAL SITE AND THE SAME AREA THAT IS NOW JACKSON'S GRANT VILLAGE , THEN A COMMERCIAL SITE WAS WITH RON THEN THE DENSITY OF HOMES WAS REDUCED SO PUD WAS APPROVED, THANKS TO THE STRONG RESPONSE OF THE CITY COUNCIL , WHICH ALSO COULD HAPPEN AGAIN, I HOPE IN THE FUTURE. IN 2020, THE JACKSON GRANT VILLAGE PUD WAS APPROVED AND MANY NEIGHBORS WERE OPPOSED TO COMMERCIAL MOVING WEST OF SPRINGVILLE ROAD. AT THE JUNE 4TH, 2020, COMMISSION MANY INDISCERNIBLE - LOW VOLUME ] JACKSON GRANT COMMERCIAL NOTE AS A TEST CASE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD CORNER STORE INITIATIVE. 116TH -- 160 CHILD TICKET WITH A LARGE STAFF AND 10,000 SQUARE-FOOT YIELDING, 60 EXTRA SPACES IS NOT A CORNER STORE THAT WILL BE USED BY OTHER PEOPLE IN JACKSON GRANT VILLAGE. THE JANUARY 16 2024 DOCS DEPARTMENT REPORT ROAD A DAYCARE IS AN ALLOWED USE IN THE EXISTING PUD. IT IS, ALONG WITH SCHOOLS AND THOSE SORTS OF FACILITIES. HOWEVER, THE SIZE OF THE COMMERCIAL HERE WAS LIMITED TO INDIVIDUAL TENANTS AT 5000 SQUARE FEET , BUT THE PROPOSAL FOR THE DAYCARE IS 10,000 SQUARE FEET. THE REPORT CONTINUES WHERE SUPPORT OF OF THIS PROPOSAL TO CREATE A NEW SUBDISTRICT FOR THE DAYCARE USE AND BELIEVE IT WILL BE A WELCOME AMENITY FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY. I QUESTION THIS IS A WELCOME AMENITY FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND CONFUSED HOW MANY TOWNHOMES WERE ADDED TO THE ORIGINAL PROPOSED 52 TOWNHOMES AND HOW MUCH COMMERCIAL SPACE IS LEFT? BEFORE I GO ON I REALIZE THIS IS SORT OF A DIFFICULT PROJECT, BECAUSE THE INITIAL PROJECT WAS TO REPUBLIC. TODAY WE ARE REALLY NOT TALKING ABOUT REPUBLIC. ON THE OTHER HAND, IT REALLY IS ALL CONNECTED SO THAT MAKES IT REALLY CONFUSING. IT MAKES IT HARD FOR ME TO NOTE WHAT EXACTLY HAS BEEN CHANGED.
SO I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS PROPOSAL. FIRST , NEARBY NEIGHBORS INCLUDED IN THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE PLANNING OF THIS AMENDMENT? ALSO WHERE THE JACKSON GRANT LABOR SURVEYED TO SEE IF THEY WOULD EVEN USE A DAYCARE? IF YOU ARE SAYING THIS IS AMENITY FOR THEM, HOW MANY OF THEM WOULD ACTUALLY USE A DAYCARE SO THAT IT WOULD BE AN AMENITY TO THEM? OBVIOUSLY YOU CANNOT SERVING THE PEOPLE IN THE VILLAGE, BECAUSE THERE ARE NOT ANY THERE YET, BUT WHEN THESE A DAYCARE NEXT TO THEIR PROPERTY? SECOND, IT HAS BEEN REALLY FRUSTRATING, I LIVE LESS THAN ONE MILE AWAY FROM HERE, BUT I HEARD FROM MANY JACKSON GRANT PEOPLE . WHEN THE ORIGINAL VILLAGE PROPOSAL WAS GOING THROUGH, THERE WAS A QUESTION AS TO WHERE THE HOAS , IF THE JACKSON GRANT HOA WOULD INCLUDE THE VILLAGE, PEOPLE IN JACKSON GRANT VILLAGE. PART OF THE COMMITMENTS I THINK OF THE ORIGINAL VILLAGE PUD WAS THAT IT WAS UP TO THEM TO VOTE IF THEY WERE GOING TO BE INCLUDED OR NOT. I THINK THE JACKSON GRANT PEOPLE VOTED THAT THE GOAL WAS 70% IN FAVOR OF NOT INCLUDING THE VILLAGE, WHICH WAS DISTURBING TO ME AS AN INDIVIDUAL, BECAUSE I THINK IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE AN AREA OF PEOPLE WHO SHOULD BE -- THE SAME CLASS, TWO CLASSES WITHIN THAT SAME AREA . SO THE REASON THAT THEY DID NOT DO THAT IS, BECAUSE THEY WERE ALREADY COMPLAINING THAT THEY DID NOT HAVE ENOUGH AMENITIES FOR THEM THEMSELVES SO THEY DID NOT FEEL THEY COULD EXTEND IT TO ANOTHER 52+ TOWNHOMES AND 19 FAMILY HOMES. SO THE VILLAGE, JACKSON GRANT VILLAGE PEOPLE NOW, THEY END UP WITH AN OPPORTUNITY
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WHERE THEY COULD HAVE, MAYBE AND MAYBE STILL COULD HAVE, MORE AMENITIES IF THAT HAD BEEN ENCOURAGED BY CITY COUNCIL AND PLANNING COMMISSION, BECAUSE OF THE HOME, THE PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, THAT HAS NOW BEEN ADDED HERE, BUT INSTEAD WHAT HAPPENED IS IT LOOKS LIKE OR TOWNHOMES HAVE BEEN ADDED, WHERE THOSE THREE TOWNHOMES THAT WERE HEADED COULD MAYBE LEAD TO CUNNINGHAM , OR IT COULD BE USED FOR AMENITIES, WHICH I WOULD REALLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO PURSUE OR THE DAYCARE CENTER, WHICH IS REALLY BIG. 160 KIDS , COULD BE REDUCED IN SIZE.MAYBE SOME OF THAT COULD GO FOR AMENITIES AND THE PEOPLE.
IN ANY CASE IT SEEMS LIKE THE PEOPLE IN JACKSON'S GRANT VILLAGE ARE REALLY LOSING FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE DEVELOPERS .
HOW IS THIS GIANT DAYCARE CENTER AND AMENITY FOR MOST OF THE JACKSON S GRANT VILLAGE RESIDENTS ? WILL THERE BE A PLAYGROUND AREA FOR THE CHILDREN THAT WILL NOT BE GOING TO THE DAYCARE? AND SO, I THINK THIS IS JUST SOMETHING REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER IN THE LAST 10, 15 YEARS, IT SEEMS LIKE MORE PROPOSALS ARE TRYING TO CRAM MORE IN AND USING LESS AMENITIES. I THINK THAT NEEDS TO CHANGE NOT JUST, BECAUSE OF THE NEIGHBORS LIKE ME, BUT FOR THE PEOPLE THE FUTURE RESIDENTS OF THOSE PLACES . I DON'T THINK IT HAS BEEN CONSIDERED SERIOUSLY ENOUGH. IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC AND ACCESS AT 116TH STREET AND SPRING FOR A, ALWAYS VERY BUSY, ONE OF THE MOST DANGEROUS AND CARMEL . IT SAID ON THE TRAFFIC STUDY MEMORANDUM THE DAYCARE WOULD HAVE ONE ACCESS POINT. I'M ASSUMING THERE IS ANOTHER ONE, BUT I DO NOT KNOW WHERE THAT IS. HOW MANY OF THE PARENTS AND CHILDREN WILL BE WALKING FROM JACKSON GRANT OR THE VILLAGE SO THAT THEY WILL NOT NEED A CAR WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE STUDY IT ONLY LOOKS LIKE 50 CARS WILL BE COMING IN AND OUT AT THE SAME TIME EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE 160 KIDS THERE, THAT DOES NOT TAKE INTO A COUNT HOW MUCH OF THE STAFF IS THERE. WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THIS, DEPENDING ON THE AGE OF THE KIDS, THERE IS MORE STAFF THAT IS NEEDED SO SIX WEEKS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT . I AM OUT THERE READY? I A READY USED SEVEN MINUTES? OKAY, ANYWAY, I HOPE THERE WILL BE SOME WAY OF ENCOURAGING THE MORE AMENITIES FOR THE RESIDENTS IN JACKSON S GRANT
VILLAGE . THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. EITHER OF YOU HAS FIVE MINUTES TO RESPOND TO THE COMMENT .
>> THANK YOU I APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S QUESTIONS THIS EVENING, BUT I WANT TO ADDRESS FIRST, MR. NAVARRO , HE BRINGS UP A GREAT QUESTION. I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS HE LEFT WITH US IS HOW IS THIS DIFFERENT FROM SOME OF THE OTHER DAYCARE CENTERS WITHIN THE AREA LIKE CRÈME DE LA CRÈME? GREAT EXAMPLE, MR. NAVARRO I THINK THAT WILL BE COMPLETELY DRIVEN THAN CRÈME DE LA CRÈME IN THREE MAIN AREAS. FIRST, CÈME DE LA CRÈME IS OVERCAPACITY THAT ACTUALLY HAVE WAIT TIMES RIGHT NOW FOR CARMEL NEIGHBORHOODS AND RESIDENTS THAT WANT TO TAKE THEIR KIDS ARE . WEIGHTLESS AT THAT FACILITY. CERTAINLY, THAT FACILITY IS 30,999 SQUARE FEET. WE TODAY ARE PROPOSING A 10,000 SQUARE-FOOT DAYCARE. SO IT IS OVER ONE THIRD LESS IN SIZE. I THINK THIRD IS THE DAYCARE CRÈME DE LA CRÈME, MR. NAVARRO MENTION AS WELL, EAST OF YOU IS HIGHWAY 31, SO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS TO SERVE WEST OF YOU IS HIGHWAY 31 IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT RUN FURTHER WEST INTO WESTERN CLAY TOWNSHIP. IT ALSO TALKED ABOUT PROVIDING SPECIFICS ABOUT THE DAYCARE . REALLY JUST GOING TO BE A CHILD DEVELOPMENT CENTER. THAT IS WHAT IS SO IMPORTANT DIFFERENTIATED WITH THIS CLIENT THAT WE ARE EXCITED TO BRING THE CARMEL AS THIS WILL BE A GREAT FACILITY. I THINK THAT GOES BACK TO THE COURT OF THE TENANT. THEY HAVE GOT A GREAT FOLLOWING ON YOUTUBE WITH ALMOST 1/2 1 MILLION SUBSCRIBERS AND ACTUALLY PRODUCE CHILD DEVELOPMENT VIDEOS AND THINGS, TWO THE CHARACTERS THEY HAVE I JUST LOVE. ONE CALLED GRACE THE GREYHOUND AND THE OTHER ONE IS CHARITY THE CHIHUAHUA. DOUGIE DUO THAT TALKS ABOUT GENEROSITY AND GIVING THROUGH THE TEACHING OF PHILANTHROPY AND THE BASELINE OF HAVING TWO DIFFERENT DOGS, TWO DIFFERENT SIZES IS THEIR CURRICULUM TEACHERS, THESE LEARNERS THAT IT DOES NOT MATTER HOW BIG OR SMALL YOU ARE, SIZE OF YOUR HEART THAT MATTERS . SO THOSE 99 PER TARTARIC CHARACTERS IN ON A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS, WAYS TO EDUCATE KIDS ON CORE VALUES, VERY IMPORTANT IN THE CARMEL COMMUNITY AND THE END AT WHOLE. IN ADDITION THERE WAS
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A QUESTION ABOUT ADDITIONAL 1300 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING. WE ARE NOT REQUESTING AND ADDITION 1300 SQUARE FOR, BUT WE ONLY HAVE A 10,000 SQUARE-FOOT FACILIT PLAN, BUT JUST LIKE ANY OTHER STATE OF INDIANA A FACILITY WE ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE AN OUTDOOR FULLY ENCLOSED PLAY AREA AS PART OF THAT OPERATION. ALSO TALKED ABOUT AN ADDITIONAL -- ADDITION OF THE BUILDING OF THE PROCESS, GOING TO BE ABOUT 10,000 SQUARE FEET. RIGHT NOW THE ORDINANCE FOR THE VILLAGE PUD ALLOWS 20,000 SQUARE FEET OF SPACE. THIS IS ACTUALLY 50 PERCENT INCREASE THAT WOULD BE JUST FOR CHILD DEVELOPMENT DAYCARE. SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS WITH PICKLE BALL, THINGS THAT WERE IN HIS QUESTION, DO NOT PERTAIN TO US, BUT WE ARE NOT FOR PUBLIC DEVELOPMENT, BUT JUST SPECIFICALLY AIR ALCHEMIST. ALSO THERE WAS ANOTHER QUESTION OF STUDENTS -- I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND, OTHER TWO DAYCARES IN THE SURE, WHEN WE MENTIONED, CRÈME DE LA CRÈME THEN ALSO NO FACILITY, JUST NORTH OF THE CAR HEADQUARTERS, THAT FACILITY IS 15,000 SQUARE FEET. IT HAS ITS WEIGHTS AS WELL SO RICK SAID ABOUT THAT, BUT AS A RELEASE OF THE PARKING, 60 PARKING SPACES IS NOT A DEFINITE, SOMETHING THAT WAS STAFF, THAT IS WHEN WE ACTUALLY DECIDED WE WILL WORK THROUGH IT AND INCORPORATE THIS PARCEL INTO THE OVERALL JACKSON S GRANT VILLAGE PUD. WE ARE PART OF THAT PROCESS, BUT BASICALLY THE TENANT IS A DAYCARE OPERATOR AND REQUIRES A LOT OF PARKING SPACES, THEN ALSO THE DEVELOPER, MCKENZIE FOR THE TOWNHOMES, TALKING ABOUT PUTTING ADDITIONAL GUEST PARKING SPACES JUST TO ADDRESSTHOSE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU . WE WILL CONTINUE WITH THE DEPARTMENT REPORT.
>> THANK YOU. FOR THE RECOMMENDING MS. RACHEL TEASLEY, REQUEST THAT STARTED OUT AS A DAYCARE ONLY ON A SINGULAR PARCEL THAT WAS BY ITSELF , MET WITH ANYTHING ELSE, JUST A PUD SURROUNDING IT , BUT IT TURNED INTO A MORE INVOLVED PROCESS AND A PROJECT AND WITH THE FOR THE BETTER. WOULD LIKE TO BUILD A DAYCARE FACILITY . EITHER WAY, THE PETITIONER WOULD'VE HAD TO RE-ZONE THE PARCEL, BECAUSE IT IS CURRENTLY ZONED AS TWO SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL . FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT MAY NOT BE AWARE, IF YOU DO NOT HAVE YOUNG KIDS ANYMORE, DAYCARES, HIGH QUALITY ONCE AT THAT ARE REALLY HARD TO COME BY. THEY ARE ALWAYS FULL AND THE ALWAYS HAVE WAIT LIST TYPICALLY A YEAR-LONG. I AM NOT EXAGGERATING THAT . FOR REFERENCE, AND DAUGHTERS EIGHT YEARS OLD, SAME PROBLEM EXISTED IN 2016 . NOT ENOUGH DAYCARES, NOT ENOUGH -- LONG WAIT LIST.
DAYCARE USE IS AND APPROVED USE WITHIN THE JACKSON S GRANT VILLAGE PUD HOWEVER IT WOULD BE LARGER THAN WHAT THE PUD HAS LIMITED FOR ANYONE TENANT. WE STILL BELIEVE THAT THE 5000 SQUARE FOOT MAXIMUM SIZE FOR ANYONE TENANT IS APPROPRIATE FOR SMALL SHOPS THAT WILL BE GOING INTO THE RETAIL COMPONENT OF JACKSON S GRANT VILLAGE ALONG SPRINGVILLE ROAD. THAT IS WHY THE PETITIONER HAS OPTED TO CREATE A NEW SECTION WITHIN THE PUD WITH SPECIFIC LIMITS TO THIS DAYCARE USE. TO TALK ABOUT CARMEL DAYCARES GENERALLY, WE HAVE MANY RANGES, DIFFERENT SIZES AND WITHIN 20 MILES OF THIS LOCATION, THERE ARE THREE DAYCARES THE FACILITY ONE HAS 117 KIDS, ONE HAS 267 KIDS, ONE HAS ROOM FOR UP TO 500 KIDS. THEY ARE ALL FULL . CANNOT GET IN FOR AT LEAST ONE YEAR TO ALL OF THOSE DAYCARES. THEIR WORK TWO DAYCARES THAT I WANT TO COMPARE THIS TO THAT WERE RECENTLY APPROVED . OUR, BUT HERE THE PLANNING COMMISSION, OVER ON MICHIGAN WERE, WHEN IS KINDRED CARE. IT IS THAT WESTERN POINT DRIVE IN MICHIGAN ROAD ABOUT 12,000 SQUARE FEET. IT CAN HOLD ABOUT 146 KIDS. THE OTHER ONE IS THE GUIDEPOST MONTESSORI AT RETAIL PARKWAY AND MICHIGAN ROAD, ABOUT 11,000 SQUARE FEET AND CAN HOLD UP TO 138 KIDS . SO IN TERMS OF THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING, THIS PROPOSAL REALLY IS IN A LINE WITH OTHER NEWER FACILITIES IN CARMEL. IT IS NOT HUGE. NOT TINY, BUT PERFECTLY IN LINE. GOING BEYOND THE USE, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO FOCUS ON THE DESIRE OF THE PETITIONER TO ACTUALLY WORK WITH US AND WORK WITHIN THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD PUD THAT WAS
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ALREADY IN PLACE HERE. WHEN THIS WENT THROUGH, WE HAVE PROTECTIONS FOR THE CUNNINGHAM PERSON, BECAUSE IT WAS GOING TO STAY RESIDENTIAL, SIGNAL FAMILY AND MRS. CUNNINGHAM DID NOT WANT TO LEAVE AND THAT IS FINE, DID NOT WANT TO MOVE. SHE HAD EVERY RIGHT FOR THAT, BUT NOW IT HAS BEEN BOUGHT BY THIS PETITIONER. WE ARE GOING TO OF COURSE WORK TO FIND A WAY TO MAKE IT FIT IN THE EXISTING PUD AND NOT HAVE IT BE ANISLAND ON ITS OWN. THIS LAND? >> -- IS THE BAP INTEGRATE INTO EXISTING COMMERCIAL AREA AND NO LARGER THAT ONE OF THE TOWNHOME BUILDINGS, THE BUILDING WOULD FIT THE DESIGN OF THE OTHER COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS ARCHITECTURAL BUILDING REQUIREMENTS ARE ALREADY IN PLACE, STANDARD IS ALREADY SET WITH THE EXISTING PUD , THAT IT COULD EASILY JUST FIT RIGHT INTO IT . IN ADDITION TO PROVIDING A NEIGHBORHOOD SERVING USE THAT MANY PEOPLE COULD WALK OR EVEN RIDE THEIR BIKES TO, YES, I KNOW FROM EXPERIENCE THAT PEOPLE TO WRITE THEIR BIKES TO DAYCARE AND TO SCHOOLS. THIS WOULD BE ADDITIONAL PARKING THAT COULD BE USED FOR THE NIGHTS AND WEEKENDS OF THE RETAIL WITH THE RESIDENTS -- RESTAURANT SO IT DOES NOT FOLLOW TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS. THERE IS ENOUGH FOR RESIDENTIAL GUESTS AND OVERFLOW THAT MR. DEMEO MENTIONED THAT MR. MCKENZIE WOULD HAVE SO I THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT. PEAK PARKING TIME AT DIFFERENT TIMES IS KEY TO MAKING SURE PARKING WOULD WORK. THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR NEIGHBORS HAVE MENTIONED TRAFFIC CONCERNS AND SOME OF THEIR LETTERS. AGAIN IF YOU HAVE NOT BEEN TO A DAYCARE RECENTLY, PARENTS ARE IN AND OUT VERY QUICKLY. NOT ALL PARENTS ARE OUT AT THE SAME TIME. IT IS VERY EASY TO KEEP THINGS MOVING ALONG. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT OR BACK IN 2014 WHEN THE LARGER DAYCARE, ONE OF THE LARGER DAYCARES DID IN DIP TRAFFIC STUDY, IN-DEPTH THEY FOUND ONLY ABOUT 2% OF THE TRIPS AT THAT TIME WERE NEW TRIPS. MOST OF THE TRIPS WERE PASSED BY AND DIVERTED TRIPS MEANING THIS PEOPLE ARE ALREADY OUT THEIR KIDS TO PLACES THAT NEED TO GO TO WATCH THEM . THEY ARE JUST GOING TO EITHER BE ABLE TO GO CLOSER TO THEIR HOUSE OR MIGHT EVEN GO FURTHER AWAY , BECAUSE WHEREVER YOU CAN GET A SPOT AT A DAYCARE IS WHERE YOU GO . IT DOES NOT NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE FOR YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD. IS SOMEONE WHO KNOWS FROM EXPERIENCE. AND WAY, I COULD GO ON AND ON , BUT WE RECOMMEND SENDING THIS TO THE NEXT COMMERCIAL COMMITTEE TO GO OVER THE DETAILS WITHIN THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE PUD LANGUAGE FOR THIS SPECIFIC USE.
AND FOR THE COMMITTEE TO BE ABLE TO RECOMMEND THIS ON TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR FINAL VOTING AUTHORITY. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, RACHEL. THAT CLOSES THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS PETITION AT 6:49 . THE FLOOR IS OPEN NOW FOR QUESTIONS AND DISCUSSION FROM MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
>> DUBBIE? >> I THINK IT WOULD BE -- EXCUSE ME , I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF SOMEBODY COULD PUT CONCEPTUAL PLAN AND THE AERIAL LOCATION BACKUP AND SOMEHOW JUST OUTLINE WHERE THE PROPOSED DAYCARE IS IN SUCH A WAY AS WE SEE WHERE IT IS GOING TO BE LOCATED EXACTLY AND SIZE AND COMPARISON. YOU SIT IT WAS ABOUT THE SAME SIZE AS THE TOWNHOME BUILDINGS . YOU JUST DO A MISSOURI, SHOW ME ?
CURSOR IS NOT COOPERATING . >> FINGERS WILL WORK
] . >> THE GREEN LIGHT IS THE CUNNINGHAM PARCEL. THIS RIGHT HERE --
>> OH . >> VOLUME ] THIS IS THE VISITING COMMERCIAL . LOW VOLUME ] THIS IS THE APPROVED PLAN. THE RED SQUARE IS AMENITY BUILDING FOR THE TOWNHOUSES. CUNNINGHAM PARCEL
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>> OKAY . >> IF I MAY PICK UP MR. CHAIR, SO THE TREE, ALL THAT STAYS THE SAME?
>> THE BUFFER ZONE WOULD STAY THE SAME.
>> OKAY. >> EVERYTHING ON THIS PICTURE WOULD STAY THE SAME EXCEPT THOSE TWO BLUE SQUARES THAT I
>> I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS HELPFUL TO ANYBODY ELSE, BUT IT
WAS HELPFUL TO ME. THANK YOU. >> ASHLEY , SORRY .
IMMEDIATELY SOUTH OF WHAT IS SHOWN IN THE DAYCARE, IS THAT LIKE A PLAYGROUND SPACER OUTERSPACE FOR THE KIDS?
>> LET ME BLOW THIS BACK UP HERE ABOUT AS BIG AS I CAN GET. SO THIS AREA , THIS WOULD BE A FUN OUTDOOR PLACE INDISCERNIBLE - LOW VOLUME ]. PART OF THE BUILDING.
>> AGAIN THE DESIGN OF THE ACTUAL BUILDING WOULD BE ANOTHER APPROVAL PROCESS IN FRONT OF YOU, FOR DESIGN PLAN
AND IDEALIZED . >> TO EVEN GET TO THAT POINT, WE NEED TO REZONE THE PUD TO MAKE IT ABLE TO EVEN GET TO
THAT POINT. >> SO NOBODY IS APPROVING THE DESIGN OF THE DAYCARE TONIGHT. WE ARE COMMITTING TO FOLLOW THE JACKSON S GRANT VILLAGE PUD REQUIREMENTS FOR DESIGN BY PUTTING THIS PARCEL INTO THE PUD , IT WOULD SUBJECT ANY DEVELOPMENT ON THAT PARCEL , AREA B AND C TO FOLLOW THE DESIGN STANDARDS THAT ARE APPROVED FOR THIS PUD . SO IN THE PACKET, THERE IS A SAMPLE OF THE ORDINANCE CHANGES . PART OF THE ORDINANCE CHANGES IS ADOPTING THE COMMERCIAL DESIGN CHARACTERISTICS FOR THE NEW SUBDISTRICT TWO. SO IT WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE ALREADY APPROVED C DISTRICT .
>> CHRISTINE? >> COMMITTEE, IF YOU CAN, IF YOU COULD BRING A PICTURE OF WHAT THIS WOULD LOOK LIKE FROM 116TH STREET WITH THOSE TOWNHOMES, BUT ONE THING THAT WE WENT THROUGH AND UPDATED THE COMP COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HERE VERY LOUDLY IS TO PRESERVE THAT VERY NATURAL , LOW-DENSITY LOOK ALONG 116TH STREET SO IF YOU HAVE SOME SORT OF VIEW THAT YOU CAN BREATHE TO THE COMMITTEE SO THAT WE COULD SEE IT, THAT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL AS FAR AS A LANDSCAPING, HOW FAR
SETBACK ARE THESE TOWNHOMES? >>
]. >> SIMILARLY . SINCE SOME OF THE TREES ALL AROUND THE CUNNINGHAM PROPERTY WERE BUILT INTO THE OPEN SPACE. THAT WAS KIND OF THE OVERALL TOTAL FACTOR IN OPEN SPACE FOR THE WHOLE BEAUTY FOR THE JACKSON S GRANT VILLAGE. IF THAT TOTAL NUMBER OF OPEN SPACES CHANGE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THAT CALCULATION IS . I'M SURE IT LOOKS LIKE YOU ARE BRINGING THE TOWNHOMES AND THE PARKING LOT AND SO SO THAT WILL PROBABLY DIMINISH OPEN STATES, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THAT IS AT COMMITTEE. AND I KNOW THAT THE DEPARTMENT WANTS TO THIS TO BE VOTED ON AT THE COMMERCIAL COMMITTEE, BUT KNOWING HOW CONTROVERSIAL THE WHOLE COMMERCIAL NODE WAS IN THE PAST, I THINK IT MIGHT BE WORTH BRINGING UP TO THE FULL COMMISSION FOR THE FINAL VOTE.
JUST TO THAT OF FOR EVERYBODY'S CONSIDERATION.
THAT IS WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE COMMITTEE. LOOK FORWARD TO TALK TO MORE OF THE DETAILS THEIR AT THE COMMITTEE .
>> ABSOLUTELY . >> I HAVE A QUESTION .
>> YES, SHANNON ? >> ACTUALLY A COUPLE FME. THIS WOULD GO TO ASHLEY SPECIFICALLY. WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THE ORIGINAL PUD, AND JACKSON S GRANT VILLAGE, EXCUSE MY VOICE, EXCUSE ME, I NOTICED THAT THE MAXIMUM DWELLING UNITS IN THE CD AREA CERTAIN AMOUNT OF HOMES . IS THAT GOING TO BE -- I LOOKED THROUGH THE PACKET IT LOOKED LIKE YOU WERE GOING TO REWRITE THAT PART OF THE ORDINANCE, IS THAT CORRECT?
>> IT IS CORRECT. I HAVE A COPY HERE FOR EVERYONE 'S VIEW.
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ARE NOT PLAYING WITH DENSITIES . NOTHING AT ALL . THE ONLY REASON WHY 7.2 HAS ANY ADDITIONAL TEXT IN IT AT ALL WAS TO DEFINE SUBDISTRICT C 1 . I DID NOT WRITE THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE. THIS WAS KIND OF A CLEANUP TO BE SPECIFIC . 7.3 WAS ADDED AS A WORST-CASE SCENARIO GOES, AT THE REQUEST OF REPUBLIC . TO BE HONEST, I MEAN WORST-CASE SCENARIO CALLS FOR IF MY CLIENT PASSES AWAY AND THIS DOES NOT HAPPEN, SO THAT WOULD WAS INCLUDED -- THAT WAS INCLUDED, IT WOULD REVERT ESSENTIAL WENT BACK TO THE ALL ORDINANCE. SO ALTHOUGH THERE ARE PROVISIONS, IT IS JUST TO CLARIFY THAT IF THIS DAYCARE IS NOT BUILT, NOTHING CHANGES WITH REGARD TO THE CURRENT PUD. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ?>> YES, IT DOES. >> THANK YOU. ONE OTHER QUICK QUESTION, I NOTICED AS WELL. ORIGINAL PUD, COMMERCIAL PARKING LOTS WERE PROHIBITED. SO WILL THAT NEED TO BE CHANGED
AS WELL? >> THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A
COMMERCIAL. >> THEIR WAS PARKING ALLOWED ON THE ORIGINAL -- IN THE ORIGINAL DESIGN , BUT I WILL REVIEW THAT HEAD OF COMMITTEE AND ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT.
>> RACHEL CAN DO THAT. >> I COULD OFFER LITTLE BIT MORE INSIGHT INTO THAT. A COMMERCIAL PARKING LOT IS CONSIDERED A PARKING LOT THAT YOU PAY TO PARK AT AND STAY THEIR LONG-TERM, BUT THAT USE TYPE. THIS IS A PARKING LOT FOR THE RETAIL USES THAT ARE HERE ON SITE. IT IS NOT PAY TO PARK, YOU KNOW, LOCKED UP, PARTICULAR PREGNANT AIRPORT. THAT IS WHAT A COMMERCIAL PARKING LOT IS MEANT TO BE SEEN AS UNDER THE
DEFINITIONS. >> THANK YOU, RACHEL.
>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, ASHLEY .
>> THANK YOU. >> WHILE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PARKING, CAN YOU IN BROAD STROKES LAYOUT WHICH SECTIONS OF PARKING MIGHT BE COMING OUT OF AREA C? AND WHERE THE -- WE WILL GET TO NET +60 PARKING SPACES. I DID NOT KNOW IF THAT INCLUDED PARKING CAPACITY IN THE TOWNHOMES AND IN THE DRIVEWAYS. HOW DO WE GET TO +60 PARKING SPACES WILL?
>> THAT IS NOT A DEFINITE NUMBER. THERE IS NOTHING SPECIFIC THAT HAS TO BE 60 PARKING SPACES, BUT IT WAS A SITUATION WHERE THE DAYCARE DOES HAVE A REQUIRED AMOUNT OF PARKING FOR DROP OFF, PICK UP, THEIR EMPLOYEES. THEN ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES, AS YOU WILL SEE TO THE REAR, THEY WERE ADDED AS A REQUEST. I BELIEVE IS SOME OF THE TOWNHOME USERS WANTED ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES FOR GUESTS, THEY ARE HAVING A DINNER PARTY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT RIGHT NOW THERE IS NOTHING, OTHER THAN PARKING IN THE STREETS, OTHER THAN JACKSON S GRANT VILLAGE TO DO THAT. SO INDISCERNIBLE - LOW VOLUME ] SOMETHING WE ARE DEFINITELY PLANNING ON ADDRESSING IN THE A DLS COMMITTEE.
>> COMPARING THIS CONCEPT TO WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED WITHOUT THE CUNNINGHAM PARCEL, ARE OR IS THERE A ROW OF PARKING THAT WILL COME OUT OF SECTION C , BUT THEN WE ARE GETTING NET INCREASE WHEN WE LOOK AT AREA SEE THEM TO WAS WHITE YES,, BECAUSE OF THE INCREASE IN THE BUILDING, THEIR WOULD BE ADDITIONAL PARKING REQUIRED FOR THE USE.
>> CAN YOU SHOW ME WHERE WE ARE LOSING PARKING WHERE C 2
VOLUME ]. >> THIS PARKING REMAINS, THIS PARKING REMAINS
DAYCARE USE. >> OKAY , PARKING TO THE EAST OF THE DAYCARE JUST SOUTH OF THAT RIGHT ABOVE WHERE IT SAID
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AREA C, I'M SORRY, ACTUALLY STILL LOOKING TO THE RIGHT.>> SORRY. >> THERE YOU GO. TWO ROWS OF PARKING THAT SECONDED BY THE WORD DISTRICT TWO ARE ADS?
>> CORRECT. >> THE AREA THAT RUNS EAST AND WEST, HELLO THOSE TWO, IS AN AD?
>> CORRECT. >> THE PARKING LOT ON THE WEBSITE THE DAYCARE
>> CORRECT. >> FOR YOUR MAP, +60 IS THIS -- JUST THOSE FOUR , DOES NOT COUNT ANY CHANGES IN PARKING REPRESENTED BY THE ADDITIONAL RELOCATION OF TOWNHOMES?
>> THAT IS CORRECT. >> IT IS JUST EDIT SPACES FOR ADDITIONAL PARKING FOR THE TOWNHOME OWNERS ON TOP OF THE COMMERCIAL USE , REQUIRING ADDITIONAL SPACES .
>> OKAY. I KNOW WE ARE GETTING WAY DOWN THE ROAD WITH THIS QUESTION, BUT AT COMMITTEE, IF YOU COULD SHOW WHAT IS YOUR BEST GUESS AT WHAT IS THE INTENDED KEEPING WOULD BE AT PEAK PICK UP AND DROP OFF TIMES , FOR THOSE PARENTS WHO MAY BE HAVE TO WAIT FOR PARKING SPACE TO FREE YOU UP TO TAKE THEIR KIDDOS IN? OR IF THERE WOULD BE SORT OF A DRIVE-THROUGH LANE THAT WOULD SAVE MOM AND DAD FROM HAVING TO PULL INTO A PARKING SPACE. I GUESS IF IT SECURITY, INSIGHT
WITH YOUR KID. >> RIGHT, DROP OFF. IS RACHEL MITCHELL WITH THE CONDUCTIVITY, AND THE FLOW BETWEEN DIFFERENT USES BETWEEN MIXED USES, THE DAYCARE FOR INSTANCE IS NOT OPEN ON THE WEEKEND. TO ANY OF THE OTHER USES OUT THERE -- SIMPLY, HAPPY FULL OF BREAKFAST USERS IN THE MORNING OR THE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS ARE, BUT THERE WILL BE ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES THAT WILL BE FREE IN THE MORNING THERE. WE SEE IT WORKING FAIRLY WELL BACK-AND-FORTH, BUT WITH WOULD BE HAPPY TO PRESS THOSE THAT COMMITTEE.
>> WAS A PRISONER, CAN PIGGYBACK OFF THAT WAS WHAT
YOU MAY, JOSH. >> THANK YOU. DELL, ACTUALLY, IF HE HAD A CRYSTAL BALL, DO YOU HAVE ANY SENSE -- MY GUESS IS THIS POTENTIALLY IS USED BY ABOUT 500 PEOPLE IN THE VILLAGE , JACKSON S GRANT VILLAGE THAT IS . YOU MAY BE THINKING HOW TO COME UP WITH 500? VOLUME ] KIDS, PARENTS, STAFF, POTENTIALLY 500 PEOPLE THAT COULD BE USING THIS FACILITY FROM INSIDE THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
DOES THAT SEEM ACCURATE? >> MY MATH IS ROUGH, NOT A MATHEMATICIAN, BUT CLINIC COMMISSIONER .
>> LET ME GET TO THE REAL QUESTION. CAN YOU FIGURE BETWEEN NOW AND COMMERCIAL COMMITTEE, WHAT DO YOU THINK IS GOING TO HAPPEN? I MEAN, STAFF IS CORRECT, IF YOU ARE IN THE DAYCARE BUSINESS, A LONG TIME, THAT I AM NOT, BECAUSE INDISCERNIBLE - LOW VOLUME ] DAYCARE IT WHEN POINTED TO IT INDISCERNIBLE - LOW VOLUME ] WHERE THE MONEY WENT. I DIGRESS. DAYCARE IS GOOD BUSINESS. IF YOU ARE A TWO WORKING HOUSEL YOU RELY ON DAYCARE . GOD KNOWS IF I HAD A DAYCARE, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST PLACE I WOULD GET ON THE WAITING LIST SIX MONTHS IN ADVANCE. AND ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAD A NEW KID, I CANNOT IMAGINE THEY ARE ON A WAITING LIST READY , JUST HAD A BABY RECENTLY. I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO KNOW, WHAT LEVEL IS GOING TO BE SERVICED BY THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE ? SECONDLY, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A BREAKDOWN OF THE 10,000 SQUARE FEET. WE ARE NOT IN THE BUSINESS OF WHAT HAPPENS INSIDE A BUILDING, BUT I HEAR PLAYGROUND, I HEAR RECEPTION . KIND OF WANT TO GET A SENSE OF WHAT THIS SPACE IS GOING TO BE, BECAUSE 10,000 SOUNDS LIKE A BIG NUMBER UNTIL YOU BREAK IT DOWN INTO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. I GUESS THOSE ARE MY TWO QUESTIONS, BUT I'M SURE I WILL HAVE MORE AS WE LOOK AT IT . KIND OF TIP MY HAT TO THE REST OF THE COMMISSIONERS WHERE I AM AT, I HEAR SHARED PARKING, I AM HEARING MOVED THINGS AROUND. I AM HEARING NOT CHANGING OF DENSITY . YOU KNOW, I CONFER WITH COMMISSIONER ZOCCOLA AND WANT TO PRESERVE THE POSTERITY, IF YOU WILL, 116TH STREET , BUT BEST USE OF THE LAND, IF THAT IS OUR GOAL, I'M TRYING TO LOOK AT THE REAL DOWNSIDE HERE SO IF YOU COULD HELP ME SEE SOME OF THE OTHER DETAILS, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO ME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> ALL RIGHT. JUST ONE LAST WORD FROM ME. WITH RESPECT TO
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WHEN WE GET TO A DLS, WE WILL DO A DEEPER DIVE ON THIS, BUT MY RECOLLECTION IS THE DEVELOP THAT -- DESIGN STANDARD THAT WAS ESTABLISHED FOR THE PD LANGUAGE FOR THE COMMERCIAL COMPONENT WAS LARGELY DRIVEN OUT OF A SENSITIVITY TO THE FACT THAT BUILDINGS WERE ALL ON THE PERIMETER OF THE PROJECT MOST OF THEM IN THE FRONT AND CLOSE TO SPRINGVILLE. I WOULD HOPE THAT DOWN THE ROAD WHEN WE START TO LOOK AT DESIGN FOR THIS BUILDING, THAT WE SEE EVEN THOUGH IT IS AN INTERIOR LOCATION, THAT WE SEE THE HIGH DESIGN STANDARD THAT IS SHOWN IN THESE CONCEPTS, BECAUSE A TON OF THOUGHT AND PLANNING WENT INTO ACHIEVING THESE CONCEPTS AND THESE STANDARDS FOR THE C 1 AREA. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT CONTINUE FOR THE DAYCARE BUILDING UP THE 100% OF OUR INTENTION TO NOT CHANGE AS FAR AS THE BUILDING AREA>> JEFF? >> ECHOING SOME OF THE COMMENTS I HEARD TODAY AND I GUESS I WOULD JUST PASS ON FOR BABY ADDITIONAL DIALOGUE AT THE COMMITTEE MEETING . VERY STRONG INTEREST IN GETTING THIS ROPED INTO THE PUD. I REMEMBER PLANNING COMMISSION TALKING ABOUT CUNNINGHAM PERSONAL HOW IT WAS THE EXCEPTION TO THE VILLAGE PUD.
TO ADD THREE ADDITIONAL TOWNHOME UNITS. IT IS HARDLY WORTH 1.8 ACRE PARCEL, IF IT CAME TO HIS INDIVIDUAL, HOW IT MIGHT BE REZONE, HOW IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED.
LOW VOLUME ] I DO NOT REALLY HERE OR MCKENZIE IS NOT HERE. I- GUESS I WILL LEAVE THAT FOR ADDITIONAL THOUGHT AND MOMENT, BUT I AM A STRONG PROPONENT MCKERCHER THERE IS ZERO IMPACT TO THE WOODED PRESERVATION AREA. SOUNDS LIKE THAT IS NOT AND ISSUE, BUT I WOULD ECHO THAT AND IF THERE ARE FURTHER EXHIBITS, BECAUSE SOME OF THE EXHIBITS LOOK LIKE THEY MIGHT CONTRADICT ONE ANOTHER. AGAIN NOT TRYING TO SPLIT HAIRS THERE, OR I THOUGHT A LOT OF ADDITIONAL PARKING, SOUNDS LIKE WE STILL MIGHT TRY TO RIGHT SIZE TO MAKE SURE WE GET IT DIALED IN, BUT FROM THE STAFF COMMENTS, I GUESS I DO ECHO AND SEE THE BENEFITS FROM THE SHARED PARKING WITH REGARDS TO THE OTHER TENANTS THAT COULD BE THERE TO MAKE SURE WE DO NOT HAVE PARKING SPILLOVER TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS. I DO LIKE THAT. LET'S SEE. I GUESS THE ONE THING I WOULD OFFER IF THERE IS CONTINUED DIALOGUE WITH THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE AREA, THE CONTINUED GOOD PUSH, POOL WITH REGARDS TO WITH THE FINAL OUTCOME IS HERE, LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING MORE ABOUT THAT, BUT I GUESS I WOULD ALSO SUPPORT MYSTICAL IS INDISCERNIBLE - LOW VOLUME ] ZOCCOLA
VOLUME ] FOR FINAL BLESSING. >> MR. PRESIDENT, MR. KIRSCH I MOVE THAT WE SEND TO FOR PLANNING COMMISSION SUBSEQUENT MEETING.
>> SECOND. >> THANK YOU BOTH. ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE .
>> AYE. >> ANY OPPOSED ? THIS WILL GO TO THE COMMERCIAL COMMITTEE AND REMAIN THERE UNTIL WE HAVE A RECOMMENDATION TO RETURN TO FULL PLAN COMMISSION . EXCUSE ME, NEXT COMMERCIAL COMMITTEE MEETING IS FEBRUARY 6 , IN THE CAUCUS ROOM, TO THE AUDIENCE LEFT, TO MY RIGHT. FAIRBURY
SIX, 6:00 P.M. . >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> THANK YOU. >> THE NEXT TWO DOCKETS ARE CONTINUING OF THE CARRIERS FOR THIS EVENING THEY ARE EASY- 25 3-00 TO 80, SUBDIVISION WAIVER FEELS MARKET GARDEN PARKING IN FLOODPLAIN WAIVER OF UDL SECTION 7.THREE -- 7.
13.D WHICH PROHIBITS PARKING IN FLOOD HAZARD AREAS, HERE PERVIOUS PARKING IS REQUESTED AND DUCKETT PC 2023-002 81 SUBDIVISION WAIVER FIELDS MARKET WATER QUALITY EASEMENT WAIVER OF UDL 7.10 .F. 3, FLOODWAY FRENCH +25 FOOT BUFFER WATER ALL THE EASEMENT NO BUFFER IS REQUESTED HERE. THE
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APPLICANT SEEKS TWO DESIGN STANDARD WAIVERS RELATED TO THE FLOODPLAIN FOR THE FIELDS MARKET GARDEN URBAN FARM AT THE NORTH END DEVELOPMENT. SITE LOCATED AT 270 W. SMOKY ROW, ZONED UR/URBAN RESIDENTIAL. PETITION IS FILED BY TARDY MEDICAL CROSSROAD ENGINEERS OF THE OF THE OWNER, FIELDS MARKET GARDEN LLC. CHARLIE, YOU HAVE 15 MINUTES.>> GOOD EVENING, DO I HAVE ACCESS TO THE OVERHEAD ?
>> SURE DO. >> 20 MINUTES, CROSS ROAD ENGINEERS 115 , OR 17 AVENUE IN BEECH GROVE, INDIANA, 46107 .
WE WERE HERE BEFORE YOU IN DECEMBER FOR APPROVAL OF THE A DLS, FEELS MARKET GARDEN PROJECT, HERE TONIGHT ON BEHALF OF FIELDS MARKET GARDEN LLC BACK BEFORE YOU TO REQUEST TWO DESIGN STANDARD WAIVERS . QUICK REMINDER FOR WHERE THIS PROJECT IS LOCATED, I THINK SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE INDISCERNIBLE - LOW VOLUME ] OF HERE. SMOKY ROW AT ABOUT QUARTER MILE WEST OF RIDGELINE WORLD. -- ROAD . I PUT TOGETHER AN EXHIBIT TO KIND OF OUTLINE WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR AND ILLUSTRATE WHAT THESE WAIVERS WILL SERVE FOR THE PROJECT. THE FIRST WAIVER IS WITH REGARDS TO PARKING IN THE FLOODPLAIN . UDL DOES NOT PERMIT IT WHATSOEVER. THIS REDLINE AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY IS THE FLOODPLAIN LIMITS , ANY PARKING WOULD HAVE TO BE OUTSIDE , WHICH MEANS THAT BASICALLY ANY ON-SITE PARKING FOR THE PARCEL IS NOT FEASIBLE IN THE SMALL PORTION THAT LIGHTS OUTSIDE .
SECOND WAIVER IS WITH REGARDS TO THE WATER QUALITY PRESERVATION EASEMENT. THIS REDLINE IS THE FLOOD WAIT LIMITS AND THE BLUE LINE IS ROUGHLY 25 FEET JUST REPRESENTING WHAT THAT EASEMENT WOULD REQUIRE. EASILY THE MAJORITY OF THE SITE WOULD BE WITHIN THE EASEMENT LIMITS AND THE ORDINANCE DEFINES AT AS AN HEIR THAT CANNOT BE DISTURBED, NO IMPROVEMENTS COULD BE LOCATED WITHIN WATER QUALITY IMPROVEMENT EASEMENT SO WHAT WAS APPROVED IN DECEMBER IS NOT FEASIBLE WITHOUT A WAIVER FROM THAT REQUIREMENT. I WANT TO QUICKLY RUN THROUGH THE DECISION CRITERIA FOR EACH ONE . GRANTING THE WAIVER WILL NOT BE DETRIMENTAL TO PUBLIC SAFETY HEALTH WELFARE OR OTHERWISE BE INJURIOUS TO OF THE PROPERTY.
THE PARKING WILL BE ODYSSEY OPEN TO PUBLIC AND SERVE THE PUBLIC AND PERVIOUS PRODUCT, HELP MAINTAIN THE INDISCERNIBLE - LOW VOLUME ] CURRENT CONDITIONS. INDISCERNIBLE - LOW VOLUME ] UNIQUE TO THE PROPERTY AND ARE NOT GENERALLY APPLICABLE TO OF THE PROPERTY. AS YOU SAW FOR THE FIRST WAIVER THE SITE IS ALMOST COMPLETELY WITHIN A FLOODPLAIN LIMIT SO ON-SITE PARKING IS NOT VIABLE ON THIS SITE . WHERE AS OTHER SITES MIGHT BE ABLE TO PARK OUTSIDE, BUT OUTSIDE OF THE FLOODPLAIN LIMITS, JUST NOT AND OPTION FOR THIS PROPERTY. THREE, SO, BECAUSE OF THE UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCES PARTICULAR HARDSHIP AND PRACTICAL DIFFICULTY WOULD RESULT OF THE STRICT LETTER OF THESE REGULATIONS IS CARRIED OUT. NO ON-SITE PARKING WOULD BE PERMITTED. THE DESIGN WAIVER SHALL NOT IN ANY MANNER SUBVERT THE PROVISIONS OF ARTICLE 5 IMPRESSIVE PLANT PARTICULARLY THE BIKE AND PEDESTRIAN PLAN.
THE WAIVER IS NOT PERTAINING TO THE USE OF THE PROPERTY OR THE PEDESTRIAN PLAN THEIR IS EXISTING TRAIL ALONG SMOKY ROW.
THAT IS TO REMAIN INTACT. WE WILL BE PROVIDING BICYCLE PARKING SPACES AS WELL. JUST TO QUICKLY GO TO FOR THE OTHER WAIVER , GRANTING THE WAIVER WILL NOT BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY HEALTH OR WELFARE. ALL ERRORS IT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO FILE WITHIN THE EASEMENT AREA WILL BE PERVIOUS FOR PLANNING THAT SO THE GREEN HOUSE, OTHER HOUSE, ANY OF THE IMPERVIOUS SERVICES, WILL NOT BE WITHIN FLOODPLAIN LIMITS ON ANY AREA THAT WOULD'VE BEEN REQUIRED TO BE EASEMENT WOULD BE PLANTING BEDS, AND/OR GRASS. ADDITIONS TO A TO REQUESTED SPACER UNIQUE TO THE PROPERTY AND NOT GENERALLY APPLICABLE TO THE PROPERTY, FLOODWAY DOES COVER, BUT HAVE THE PROPERTY, THE ADDITIONAL 25 FEET , LEAVES THE MAJORITY OF THE PROPERTY ON DEVELOPABLE -- NOT DEVELOPABLE .
] WOULD RESULT IN THE STRICT LETTER OF THESE REGULATIONS IS CARRIED OUT. THE VERY NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE SITE WOULD BE VIABLE FOR PLANTING ESSENTIALLY WITH THE GREENHOUSE AND OTHER HOUSE. BEING IN THE LOCATION THAT THEY ARE IN ADDITION, WE WILL BE DISTURBING SOME OF THE AIR WITHIN THE
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FLOODPLAIN AS WELL. FLOODWAY, RATHER. THAT IS TO BASICALLY FOR THE DIRT WORK FOR THE SITE, BUILDINGS HAVE TO BE TWO FEET ABOVE THE BASE OIL TO MEET CARMEL STANDARDS AS WELL AS THE ARE STANDARDS. SO SOME GENERAL WORK HAS TO BE DONE WITHIN THE FLOODWAY TO MAKE THAT WORK AS WELL. THE DESIGN WAIVER SHALL NOT IN ANY MANNER SUBVERT THE PROVISIONS FOR INDISCERNIBLE - LOW VOLUME ] COMP PLAN VOLUME ]. SIMILAR TO THE FIRST ONE, REALLY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE COMP PLAN OR OTHERWISE, TO USE TRIAL WILL REMAIN UNDISTURBED PROVIDED. THAT SUMS UP MY SPIEL . I APPRECIATE THE FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE STAFF AS WELL AS EXPEDITING AND MAKING SURE WE COULD BE ON THIS MONTH'S COMMISSION INDISCERNIBLE - LOW VOLUME ] HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS .>> THANK YOU. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. ANYONE FOR THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THESE TWO PETITIONS ? SEEING NONE, WILL GO TO THE DEPARTMENT REPORT.
>> THANK YOU . FOR THE RECORD ALEXIA LOPEZ, CITY OF CARMEL PLANNING AND ZONING OFFICE. AS PETITIONER STATED THEY ARE SEEKING TWO SUBDIVISION WAIVERS FOR THIS URBAN FARM THAT YOU INDISCERNIBLE - LOW VOLUME ] YOU GREENHOUSE THE WANT TO PUT ON THE SITE AND COUPLE OF OTHER OUTBUILDINGS FOR THE FARM. THE ONE WAIVER IS TO PLACE OR NOT PLACE WATER QUALITY BUFFER EASEMENT ALONG FLOODPLAIN TO ALLOW FOR THE EXPANSION OF THE FARM. ONE IS TO ALLOW PARKING IN THE FLOODPLAIN. THE PETITIONER IS PROPOSING A PERMEABLE SURFACE FOR THE PARKING LOT. IT WILL PROVIDE FLOODPLAIN MITIGATION IF MITIGATION IS NEEDED. IF THE EASEMENT WERE PLACED ALONG WHICH I BELIEVE IS ALL OF THE FLOODPLAIN, FLOODWAY FRINGE INCLUDED, AS STATED THIS IS THE BUILD NO LOW VOLUME ] ANY OF THE FARMING ON THIS SITE. WE BELIEVE, BECAUSE OF THE LOW INTENSITY OF THE USE, AS A FARM, THE PERMEABLE PARKING SURFACE AND THE FLOODPLAIN MITIGATION THAT WE WOULD SUPPORT THESE WAIVERS AND ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT HAS REVIEWED THIS AS WELL. THEY ARE IN SUPPORTOF THEM AS WELL. WITH THAT, AND WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU SUSPEND YOUR RULES OF PROCEDURE THIS EVENING AND VOTE TO APPROVE THAT. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. THAT CLOSES THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:18 P.M. .
DISCUSSION FROM THE MEMBERS? >> WAS TO CHAIR, SO WE CUT THE -- SUSPEND THE ROOT
>> THANK YOU. >> BOTH FOR THE MOTION AND THE
SECOND? >> DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION?
>> ALL IN FAVOR OF SUSPENDING THE RULE SO THAT WE MAY VOTE ON THE PETITION THIS EVENING SAY AYE.
>> MR. PRESIDENT, I MOTION THAT WE MOVE DOCKET NUMBER PC 2023- 002 AIDES ARE AND PC- 23- ZERO SO 281
INDISCERNIBLE - LOW VOLUME ]. >> VERY WELL, I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR THE PETITIONER BEFORE WE CONSIDER THE MOTION .
>> I COULD NOT TELL , IS THE PARKING LOT DESIGNED TO BE LEVELED OR WILL IT BE GRADED SLIGHTLY AWAY FROM THE FLOODPLAIN? IF THEIR IS RUNOFF FROM THE PARKED CARS, THAT RUNOFF WILL NOT HIT TOWARD IT WAS LIKE YEAH, SO RIGHT NOW THE WHOLE SITE, SHE FLOWS NORTH EASTERLY SORT OF TOWARDS -- A SMALL SWALE HERE THEN THE CREEK RUNS HERE PROPERTY BETWEEN US, BUT YES , THE PREGNANT WOULD BE GRADED SUCH AS IT DRAINS EAST , NORTH EAST , THE BUILDINGS WILL BE ON THE
EXISTING CONDITIONS . >> THANK YOU .
>> NOW WE HAVE A MOTION FOR MR. KIRSCH. SECONDED BY MR. HILL. TO VOTE ON BOTH PETITIONS , ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING , EXCUSE ME, DOCKET PC 23 00 280 AND PC --
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>> OPPOSED? >> HEARING ON, THANK YOU. WE
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HAVE ONE ITEM OF OLD BUSINESS RETURNING FROM COMMITTEE TO THE FULL COMMISSION, THAT IS ITEM PC 2023 000 14 PUD ANDREWS PUD REZONING . APPLICANT SIX PUD PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT REZONE APPROVAL TO ALLOW A NEW NEIGHBORHOOD CONSISTING OF 30 SIX FAMILY DWELLINGS. LOCATED 4411 E. 146 STREET AND ZONED ARE 1 RESIDENTS. FILED BY JIM SCHAFFNER AND JON DOBOSIEWICZ OF NELSON AND FRANK A BIRD AND BEHALF OF SCHAEFER.>> GOOD EVENING, I AM TIM SHELBOURN ARE LOW VOLUME ] REPRESENT THE PETITIONER SCHAEFER DEVELOPMENT LLC MEMBERS OF SCHAEFER DEVELOPMENT ARE HERE THIS EVENING AS WELL IS THE SUBJECT REQUEST IS FOR PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT IN ORDER TO DEVELOP AN EMPTY NESTOR ACTIVE ADULT FOR SEVERAL RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY. WE COULD ZOOM OUT A LITTLE BIT ON THAT. THIS EVENING WE ARE STICKING -- SICK INDISCERNIBLE - LOW VOLUME ] PLAN COMMISSION ON TO THE CITY COUNCIL WHILE THE ORIGINAL PLANNING INCLUDED 60 DUPLEX AND TOWNHOME BEEN DETACHED DWELLINGS ON THE REAL ESTATE. THE REVISE CONCEPT PLAN IS INCLUDED BEHIND TAB THREE OF THE INFORMATIONAL SUBMITTAL THAT WE MADE FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION THIS EVENING AS INDICATED INCLUDES 30 SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED HOMES. REPOSE COMMUNITY MANY STILL INCLUDE A DOG PARK AND COMMUNITY GARDENS TO BE LOCATED ADJACENT TO 146 STREET AND THE SPACES HERE. IN ADDITION UPON OVERLOOK HAS BEEN ADDED TO THE PLANT AS SHOWN ON THE CONCEPT PLAN AS WELL AS PROGRAMMING FOR THE INTERNAL COMMON AREA IS REQUESTED THE LAST COMMITTEE MEETING SO THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THE INFORMATION PRESSURE, THIS PLAN LOOKS A LITTLE DIFFERENT. WANT TO IDENTIFY TWO LOCATIONS HERE. NOT PROGRAMMING WITHIN THIS COMMON AREA, HERE THERE IS DIFFERENT LANDSCAPING THAT WAS PROPOSING THE SPACE, ADDED INDISCERNIBLE - LOW VOLUME ] SHRUBS AND BENCH WITHIN THAT TO ACTIVATE THE SPACE. THE COMMITTEE ASKED FOR CONSIDERATION THAT AT THE LAST MEETING. IT WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE FREDDIE SUBMITTAL WHICH WAS A COUPLE OF DAYS LATER. IS NOW INCLUDED IN STAFF AS A COVER THAT, BUT WE ARE ASKING THE PLAN COMMISSION RECOGNITION THIS EVENING SUBJECT TO THIS FINAL PLAN.
WITHIN EVERETT SOPER IS BETWEEN 700 AND $750,000 OF THE REAL ESTATE. TO THIS KIND OF THE ANDREWS PUD'S INCLUDE SPECIFIC ARCHITECTURAL DEMOCRATS TO ENSURE DESIGNS ARE ATTRACTIVE AND REVIEW PROCESS, THE APPLICANT HAS MADE SIGNIFICANT MODIFICATIONS AND ENHANCEMENTS INCLUDING THE NOT NEWLY TO THE FOLLOWING INCLUDED BEHIND TAB ONE OF YOUR BROCHURE. MOVED TO TILL FORMAT. A SUBSTRATE WAS UNDERSTEER TO THE EAST.
ADDITIONALLY THE DRIVE THAT COMES OFF 146 STREET PREVIOUSLY WENT THROUGH NOR SELL, THEY TOOK THAT AND PUT THAT INTO THE PROPERTY HERE CREATING ANOTHER INTERSECTION AND CURVE IN THE ROAD. IT IS GOING TO BE A DESIGN ELEMENT THAT CONTINUES TO BUILD TOWARD SLOWING DOWN TRAFFIC. THE SITE. IN ADDITION TO THAT REGARDING TRAFFIC, AND SLOWING DOWN THE TRAFFIC, IT WOULD BE THE ADDITION OF A SPEED HUMP HERE WITH THIS ELEMENT OR IT INTERSECTS WITH THE DEVELOPMENT TO THE SOUTH. A MASONRY HOMES DRILLING NOT JUST THE FRONT, BUT WHICH MAY BE MORE TYPICAL WITH HOMES BUILT IN THE PAST. DESIGN REQUIREMENTS REGARDING FRONT PORCHES AND MINIMUM AREAS OF THOSE FRONT PORCHES OR EDIT TO THE ORDINANCE AS WELL. LAST REGARDING ARCHITECTURE, THERE IS A MINIMUM STANDARD FOR THREE DIFFERENT HOME FLOOR PLANS WITH FOUR DIFFERENT ELEVATIONS. THAT WILL SEEK TO IMPROVE AND ENHANCE INFER THAT THE VARIATION DESIGN FOR THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD , REGARDING MONOTONY. IN AN EFFORT TO PROTECT AGAINST THAT. THE UPDATED OPEN SPACE PLAN AND PROGRAMMING WITH INTERIOR COMMON AREA WAS ADDRESSED AS I INDICATED. AGAIN, THERE IS AN UPDATED OPEN SPACE PLAN SUBMITTED TO STEP THAT IS CONSENTED , BUT THIS PLAN. I BELIEVE THIS WAS A SPY WAS FORWARDED ON TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS IN ADVANCE OF THE STAFF REPORT BEING ISSUED. VERY BRIEF REDLINED THAT JUST SHOWS THOSE CHANGES A K BETWEEN THE TWO, STAFF ASKED FOR , AT THE DAYS IN ADVANCE OF PREPARATION OF THE STAFF REPORT. IN ADDITION TO THOSE ITEMS, THAT HAVE BEEN MODIFIED TO ENHANCE BUFFER YARDS, LANDSCAPING INCLUDING STREET REPLANT TEENS , OTHER ITEMS REQUESTED BY STAFF PARTICULAR ADJACENT TO THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD. THERE IS A MINIMUM 30 FOOT OF HER AREA AND 50 FOOT THINGS AT BACK WHERE YOU TYPICALLY HAVE TRADITIONALLY DEVELOPED C THAT LARGE OF A BUFFER WOULD BE WE WERE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT AT THE REQUEST OF
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NEIGHBORS AND IN ADDITION TO REQUEST TO STEP TO PROVIDE AND HAS A BUFFER AREA, TREE PRESERVATION IN THAT SPACE AS WELL AS BUILDING SETBACK. THERE WAS SIGNIFICANT CONSTRUCTION SIGNAGE ADAGE INCLUDING A PICTORIAL EXHIBIT WITHIN THE PUD . REQUIREMENTS FOR ADVISING FINDING TRADE VENDORS, FOR VIOLATING THE IDEA, WE ARE GOING TO DO THE BEST EFFORTS WE CAN TO LIMIT CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC STATUS POST DEVELOPMENT CONSTRUCTION . SO BUILDING HOUSES TO LIMIT THE CONSTRUCTION TO 146 STREET ACCESS TO THE SITE, CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SUBDIVISION INCLUDING PROJECT INFRASTRUCTURE AND RUB IT WILL ALL COME FROM THE NORTH WITH THE EXCEPTION OF WHEN IT IS TIED INTO DEVELOP INTO THE SOUTH RIGHT AT THAT SPACE.THERE WOULD BE A NEED FOR LIMITED AMOUNT OF VEHICLES TO CROSS THAT SPACE WHEN THE STREET IS ACTUALLY CONSTRUCTED AND CONNECTED WITH ALL THAT OTHER ACTIVITY, FORESIGHT CONSTRUCTION, OCCURRING OFF 146 STREET. THIS IS AN EXHAUSTIVE LIST, MORE DETAILED LIST IS INCLUDED IN THE SUBMITTAL WE MAY TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION LAST WEEK. IN CONCLUSION, PUD REQUEST IS AMENDED WAS REVIEWED BY THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY IN MEETINGS LAST SUMMER. WAS RECENTLY, AT MEANING TO NOVEMBER, DECEMBER AND EARLIER THIS MONTH IN JANUARY. WE ARE SIGNIFICANT PLAN AND PRODUCT ADJUSTMENTS WERE REVIEWED BY THE COMMITTEE . AT THE CONCLUSION OF ITS REVIEW THE RESIDENTIAL COMMITTEE REVIEW THEY VOTED 4-0, UNANIMOUSLY TO RECOMMEND THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO THE CITY COUNCIL FAVORITE RECOMMENDATION. WE APPRECIATE THE DEPARTMENT 'S REVIEW, REPORTS HE HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU THIS EVENING, IDENTIFIED SNOVER MANY COMMENTS OR CONCERNS THAT THEY WOULD AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO REVIEW FOR FURTHER RECOMMENDS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION SHOULD SENT THE MATTER TO THE FULL CITY COUNCIL IN FAVOR OF RECOMMENDATION WE APPRECIATE THE GUIDANCE PROVIDED BY STAFF AS WELL AS PUBLIC INPUT AND SIGNIFICANT INTENTION THAT WAS PAID BY THE RESIDENTIAL COMMITTEE OVER SEVERAL DIFFERENT MEANINGS, OF COURSE EARLIER THIS YEAR. WITH THIS RECOMMENDATION. TONIGHT WE WILL RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION CONSIDER INDISCERNIBLE - LOW VOLUME ] TO THE CITY COUNCIL WITH REGARD TO THE ANDREWS PUD ORDINANCE. WITH THAT I WILL CONCLUDE, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING.
>> THANK YOU, JOHN. JOSH, CAN YOU GIVE US THE COMMITTEE
REPORT, PLEASE? >> THIS IS RESIDENTIAL, I'M
>> LOOKS LIKE THEY DID A GREAT JOB, WORKED REALLY HARD.
>> SUE IS NOT WITH US TONIGHT, BUT ANYONE FROM THE RESIDENTIAL COMMITTEE THAT WOULD LIKE TO FILL IN FOR SUE?
>> JOHN DID A GREAT JOB SUMMARIZING, LAST CHANGES, LAST ROUND OF CHANGES MADE. PARTICULAR THE COMMITTEE SPENT TIME OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS WORKING WITH THE PETITIONER ON THE ELEMENTS THAT WAS MENTIONED, SUBSTRATE PROGRAMMING, PART, AMENITY AREA. WE HAVE THAT RECONFIGURATION OF THE STREET NETWORK SO WE MAKE SURE TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY KIND OF SLOW TRAFFIC THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. APPRECIATIVE OF THE AMENDMENTS WITH REGARDS TO ACCESS AND POST CONSTRUCTION ELEMENTS WITH REGARD TO POTENTIAL IMPACTS, BUFFERING TO THE SOUTH OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD INCREASED FROM THE INITIAL CONFIGURATIONS THAT WE SAW. COMPLETE CHANGE TO THE HOME PRODUCT , BUT I THINK IT HAS BEEN WELCOMED BY MEMBERS OF THE RESIDENTIAL COMMITTEE AS WELL AS THERE HAS BEEN SEEMINGLY POSITIVE FEEDBACK FROM THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORS TO THE EXTENT WE COULD EXPECT THAT. SIZE OF THE PORCHES, ANTI-MONOTONY, ALL OF THOSE ARE TO THE PETITIONER CREDIT, THEY WORKED ON THE, FOR THIS PRODUCT, YES, THE COMMITTEE VOTED FOR HABITS OR TO SEND THIS BACK TO FULL PLANNING COMMISSION FOR ADDITIONAL
INPUT. >> THANK YOU, JEFF YOU'RE STARTING TO MAKE ME CHANGE MY MIND ABOUT THAT CHAIR
>> WE APPRECIATE THAT . >> DEPARTMENT REPORT?
>> THANK YOU. >> FOR THE RECORD LEXA LOPEZ WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING OFFICE, I DO NOT REALLY HAVE MUCH TO ADD TO WHAT JEFF STATED, A LOT OF CHANGES WERE MADE ALONG THE WAY TO THE COMMITTEE PROCESS . THE BIGGEST CHANGE OBVIOUSLY BEEN THE USE FROM WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY TWO STORY TOWNHOMES AND DUPLEXES SO KIND OF A MIX, VARIETY OF SOME OF THE OTHER TYPES THAT WE DO NOT SEE AS MUCH IN CARMEL, BUT COULD USE MORE OF, BUT ULTIMATELY THEY DECIDED TO JUST CHANGE TO SEE THE FAMILY, THEY DID IMPROVE SOME OF THE ARCHITECTURAL REQUIREMENTS AS WELL SO NOW THERE WILL BE A MISSIONARY TRANSCO, ALL FOUR
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SIDES OF THE HOME. THE COMMITTED TO HAVING CERTAIN HOME -- SINCE THEY DO HAVE THE THREE CAR FRONTLOAD GARAGE, THEY COMMITTED TO HAVING FIVE HOMES THAT WOULD HAVE INDISCERNIBLE - LOW VOLUME ] FURTHER THAN THE GARAGE TO HELP KIND OF OFFSET THAT, BUT COULD MAKE THE PORCH MAYBE MORE OF A FOCUS OF THE HOME, NOT NECESSARILY JUST THE GARAGE.THEY ARE COMMITTED TO ALL OF THE HOMES HAVING ALL THE HOMES HAVE A FRONT PORCH WILL HAVE A THEY EDIT ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING IN THE SOUTHWESTERN COMMON AREA. AS DISCUSSIONS WITH THE FORRESTER AND TREES TO HELP SOFTEN THAT VIEW AND PER REQUEST THEY DID REQUIRE 10 NEW NATIVE TREES PER ACRE, OPEN SPACE, COMMON AREA. THEN WE MET WITH THE OTHER COMMENTS AS WELL THAT WAS STILL LINGERING AFTER THE LAST RESIDENTIAL COMMITTEE SO PETITIONER AND I MET WITH FORRESTER, WE WERE ABLE TO OR ABLE TO GET THE CHANGES TO HIS SATISFACTION SO THAT IS THE UPDATE THAT YOU RECEIVED KIND OF LOOKING AT THAT OPEN SPACE PLAN MORE CLEARLY AND MAKING SURE THAT IT ALIGNED BETTER WITH THE WAY WE DEFINED OPEN SPACE IN THE ADL. THERE WERE SIX CHANGES THAT CAME OUT OF THE RESIDENTIAL COMMITTEE THAT WERE REQUESTED. REVIEWED THEIR SEMINAL FOR THAT, ABLE TO MAKE ALL THE CHANGES THAT WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE RESIDENTIAL COMMITTEE. SINCE THAT MEETING, I THINK YOU RECEIVED THREE ADDITIONAL LETTERS FROM THE NEIGHBORS REGARDING THE PUD. YOU RECEIVED A COPY OF THOSE. WE WOULD RECOMMEND AT THIS TIME THE PLANNING COMMISSION BOTH TO SEND THIS PROJECT TO THE CITY COUNCIL WITH A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION. WHERE IN THEY WILL HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON IT IS ALL AND ULTIMATE ONCE TO VOTE ON IT. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, ALEXIA. DISCUSSION FROM THE MEMBERS OF
THE COMMISSION? >> ] BEFORE WE CONTINUE I WILL RECUSE MYSELF FROM VOTING ON THIS ONE. SORRY I DID NOT CATCH YOU EARLIER.
>> THANK YOU. DUBBIE? >> THIS HAS BEEN BEFORE THE COMMITTEE SEVERAL OCCASIONS . AS HAS BEEN MENTIONED , SIGNIFICANT CHANGES MADE I THINK TO THE BETTERMENT OF THE PROJECT AND CERTAINLY TO THE DELIGHT OF THE NEIGHBOR, SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS , I WOULD THEREFORE COMMEND THE DEVELOPER . I'M SURE THIS IS NOT AS LUCRATIVE A PROJECT AS YOUR INITIAL PLAN WAS. I STILL THINK IT IS A LUCRATIVE PROJECT THAT MEETS THE NEEDS OF BOTH THE DEVELOPER AND THE NEIGHBORHOODS. I JUST WANT TO THANK EVERYONE INVOLVED FOR ALL OF THEIR ATTENTION TO THE COMMENTS, CONCERNS AND I THINK THE END PROJECT -- PRODUCT IS VERY TELLING ABOUT HOW DILIGENT EVERYONE WAS TO COME UP WITH SUCH A GOOD PROJECT. SO I WOULD MOVE OR APOLOGIZE FOR MY VOICE, BUT I WOULD MOVE TO SEND THIS TO THE COUNCIL WITH A RECOMMENDATION , FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION OF MR. PRESIDENT?
>> JUST A GENERAL QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW IF WE CONVERT OR NOT, BUT DID WE GET CONFIRMATION FROM ENGINEERING ABOUT THE SPEED HUMP, SOUTH ENTRANCE?
>> I DID NOT TALK TO THEM ABOUT THE SPEED HUMP. IT IS IN THE PUD, BUT IT DOES DEFER TO THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT I
THINK FOR THAT. >> JUST CURIOUS QUESTION ,
CONCERN FOR THE NEIGHBORS. >> JUST TO CLARIFY, BECAUSE I'VE GOTTEN IT DIFFERENT HAT . WE CAN REQUESTED IN THE PUD , BUT WE CANNOT MAKE THE CITY ENGINEER PUT IT IN . TO SO PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THEIR EXPECTATION.
>> I GUESS ANOTHER THOUGHT ON THAT IS THAT IT IS IN THE PUD.
IF IT IS REQUIRED, THERE IS A MECHANISM FOR IT TO BE ABLE TO BE PUT IN. IF SO
>> I THINK WHAT COMMISSIONER HILL IS TIPPING HIS HAT ON IS THERE IS A FEDERAL LAW , AT LEAST A STATE LAW THAT SAYS YOU'VE GOT TO JUMP THROUGH A LOT OF HOOPS TO GET THE SPEED HUMP IN. THE PUD IS A MECHANISM TO BYPASS SOME OF THOSE HURDLES. WE CANNOT PROMISE THE SPEED HUMP, BUT ONLY
>> SO WE HAVE A MOTION . >> I WILL SECOND.
>> THANK YOU . >> ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION TO SEND THIS TO THE COUNCIL WITH COMMISSION FAVORABLE
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RECOMMENDATION SIGNIFIED BY SAINT AYE .]. >> JOHN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
EVENING. >> JUST BEFORE WE ADJOURN I WOULD REMIND THE COMMISSION THAT THIS JANUARY IS A MONTH WITH FIVE TUESDAYS IN IT. SO WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT. ON THE 30TH, I BELIEVE . 30TH.
>> YES. >> WITH A FIFTH TUESDAY OPPORTUNITY THEN WE HAVE A FEBRUARY, SATURDAY WORKSHOP COMING UP ALSO . THOSE OF COURSE WERE NOT ON THE CALENDAR THAT WE APPROVED FOR THE FORMAL MEETINGS , TO OFF CYCLE LEARNING OPPORTUNITIES COMING UP .
>> WHAT YOU MIGHT MAKING SURE THAT
VOLUME ] 30TH DATE. >> YES, THOSE SHOULD BE COMING
OUT SHORTLY. >> I AM LOOKING AT THE WRONG
ONE, SORRY. >> WITH THAT WE WILL BE ADJOURNED . TAKE CARE, EVERYONE.
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