[1. CALL TO ORDER]
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          >>> CALLING THE MEETING OF THE CARMEL CITY COUNCIL, DECEMBER 2, 2024 TO ORDER, WE HAVE A QUORUM TONIGHT EVERYONE IS 
          [2. AGENDA APPROVAL]
PRESENT. CAN I GET A MOTION FOR THE AGENDA? 
          >> SECOND. >> ANY DISCUSSION? 
          >> PLEASE VOTE. 
          >> OKAY THE AGENDA IS APPROVED VOTE OF 9 TO 0. THIRD ITEM ON 
          [3. INVOCATION]
THE AGENDA , THE IMPLICATION. FATHER RICHARD. YES HIS FATHER RICHARD HERE? ALL RIGHT, FOR THE INVOCATION I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE COUNSELOR TAYLOR LEAD US. WITH NO NOTICE. 
          >> OFF-THE-CUFF, ACTUALLY. BEAR WITH ME. 
          DOES EVERYBODY KNOW CHAPLAIN GEORGE DAVIS CARMEL POLICE DEPARTMENT? IF ANYBODY HAS EVER HEARD HIM GIVE IMPLICATION AT A CHAMBER EVENT OR SO FORTH HE ALWAYS DOES A GREAT JOB SO I HAVE THIS IN MY BAG FOR THIS OCCASION.. WRITTEN BY GEORGE DAVIS OUR CHAPLAIN OF CARMEL POLICE DEPARTMENT, ONE PRAYERS, PUBLIC PRAYERS FOR PERSONAL USE. SO, LET ME PICK ONE. OKAY. 
          WE ALL GET IN THE SPIRIT OF PRAYER. GRACIOUS GOD MAY WE USE THE GIFT OF THE DAY WITH COURAGE AND GOOD SPIRIT, WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT WE WILL FACE, BUT WE CAN KNOW YOU WILL SEE IT THROUGH WITH US, MAYBE SHOULDER BURDENS AND CELEBRATE ACCOMPLISHMENTS WITH INTEGRITY AND GRACE. AMEN. 
          [4. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
          >> THANK YOU, COUNCILOR TAYLOR. MOVING ON NEXT ITEM, PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND I THINK COUNCILOR SNYDER HAS A SPECIAL GUEST TO STAND IN TO HELP HIM. 
          >> IF I CAN HAVE , FROM THE TABLE DOWN HERE. OKAY. 
          >> IF EVERYBODY CAN STAND. >> COURAGE AND GOOD SPIRIT . 
          >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. 
          >> ALL RIGHT AND THAT IS AWESOME. USUALLY WHICH OTHER WOULD JUST SAY IT AND EVERYONE JUMPS IN. YOU PUT HER ON THE 
          [5. RECOGNITION OF CITY EMPLOYEES AND OUTSTANDING CITIZENS]
MICROPHONE FOR THE WHOLE THING. SHE DID A GREAT JOB. MOVING ON NEXT ITEM RECOGNITION OF CITY EMPLOYEES AND UPSTANDING CITIZENS. I'M GOING TO SHIFT SECOND. 
          >> NOW WE HAVE SOME SPECIAL GUESTS WITH US TONIGHT. THE MAYOR WOULD HAVE LOVED TO DO THIS, BUT SHE HAS TO KEEP HER FOOT ELEVATED AFTER SOME SURGERY ON HER ANKLE. SO I GET TO DO THIS AND I THINK SHE WAS EXCITED BECAUSE I TOLD HER I JUST FINISHED ALL EPISODES OF THE BEAR. SO I THINK IT IS APPROPRIATE, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE TWO TO COME UP, MADELEINE ARROYO AND JULIA HOHNE. IF YOU CAN COME UP HERE. 
          ALL RIGHT. MANY OF YOU PROBABLY HAVE SEEN THIS IN THE NEWS, TWO INDIVIDUALS WHO JUST DID NOT JUST REPRESENT THEMSELVES , WITH GLOBAL COMPETITION OR THE FAMILIES, BUT REPRESENTED ALL OF CARMEL. IN WINNING THE 2024 WORLD FOOD CHAMPIONSHIP JUNIOR COMPETITION. NOT ONLY DID THEY WIN THAT, BUT THEY WON A PRIZE FOR OUTSTANDING TEAMWORK WHICH IS JUST AS EXTRAORDINARY FOR NOT JUST INDIVIDUAL ACCOMPLISHMENTS, BUT WORKING AS A TEAM. YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE EMBARKED ON KIND OF A LONG RANGE OF WORK TO GET TO THIS POINT WITH A LOT OF DEDICATION, A LOT OF HARD WORK, REPRESENTING CARMEL. I WOULD LIKE FOR THEM TO COME UP AND SHARE WITH EVERYONE, WHAT THE 
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CHEFS, WHAT FOOD THEY COOKED TO WIN THE CHAMPIONSHIP AND A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THEMSELVES AND THEIR FUTURE 
          >> SO WE DID 19 -- GORDITAS. >> OUR DISH IS WHEN MY FAMILY'S FAVORITE FOODS, SPECIFICALLY MY DAD AND I. ALL OF MY FAMILY LIVES IN ILLINOIS BASICALLY SO MY MOM AND DAD STARTED A WHOLE NEW LIFE HERE IN CARMEL. THERE IS NOT VERY MANY AUTHENTIC MEXICAN OR PUERTO RICAN RESTAURANTS HERE SO WHEN WE HAVE THE CHANCE TO GO TO ILLINOIS, WE GO TO OUR FAVORITE TACO AND BURRITO PLACE AND THEY HAVE GORDITAS. OUR THEME WAS TO BE HEALTHY FRESH AND WE HAD TO USE PORK. PORK IS LIKE MY FAVORITE FOOD, FIRST OF ALL, BUT I WANTED TO BRING TO LIGHT THE NEGATIVE STEREOTYPE THAT ALL MEXICAN AND HISPANIC FOOD IS UNHEALTHY. IN REALITY IS PROBABLY MUCH BETTER FOR YOU THEN A LOT OF FOOD YOU CAN FIND IN AMERICA. SO I BASED THIS LOVELY DISH OFF OF OUR HOME ROOTS AND FLAVOR SET I HAVE BEEN USING FOR YEARS WHICH GORDITAS. USUALLY THE MEAT IS A SLOW COOKED EIGHT HOUR PORK THAT IS LITERALLY SO HARD TO PERFECT. JULIA ENDED UP MAKING A METHOD WHERE WE GOT IT DONE IN 10 MINUTES USING PUERTO RICAN STYLE TENDERIZING. USING THE SHOULDER. BASICALLY, WE HAD REFRIED BEANS, PORK WITH THE MARINADE. PINEAPPLE, ONIONS, SALSA WITH HABANERO. 
          WITH SALSA, EVERYTHING ALL OF THAT IN A SHELL SIMILAR TO A TACO MADE WITH , AND ALL OF THAT WE HAD ON THE PLATE AND I PERSONALLY DID A LOT OF THE PRESENTATION AND THE BASIS OF THE DISH, BUT JULIA WAS BEHIND THE WHOLE BIG PART OF IT WHICH WAS THE PORK. THAT WAS THE BIG DEAL AND I AM SO GLAD THAT CARMEL HAS BEEN ABLE TO BRING US TOGETHER, SPECIFICALLY OUR SCHOOLS TO GET US TO WORK TOGETHER. 
          >> A FEW WORDS ABOUT WHAT YOU PLAN TO DO? 
          >> I AM A SENIOR THIS YEAR SO I GRADUATE NEXT SEMESTER. I APPLIED TO THE CULINARY INSTITUTE OF AMERICA. JOHNSON WHALES IN RHODE ISLAND AND IVY TECH, MY PLAN IS TO GO TO ID TECH BECAUSE I HAVE A REALLY GOOD CULINARY PROGRAM. IT IS A VERY AFFORDABLE AND I LIKE THE IDEA OF GRADUATING AND NOT HAVING STUDENT DEBT. THAT SOUNDS REALLY NICE. THEY ALSO HAVE A PROGRAM THAT IS ACCELERATED ASSOCIATES DEGREE AND RIGHT NOW I WORK IN A BAKERY AND MY GOAL IS TO OPEN ONE OF MY OWN, ONE DAY. MY BOSS, CINDY HAWKINS TOLD ME THAT IN A LOT OF CASES YOU CAN EITHER START A BAKERY YOU CAN LIGHT A WHEELBARROW OF MONEY ON FIRE. SO I'M TRYING NOT TO MAKE THAT MY END GOAL . SO I WILL GET MY ASSOCIATES DEGREE IN BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION IN 11 MONTHS IF I GET INTO THE PROGRAM AND BECAUSE I HAVE TAKEN SOME AP CLASSES AND DUAL CREDIT PROGRAMS LIKE RIGHT NOW I'M TAKING PUBLIC SPEAKING, I WILL START GETTING MY ASSOCIATES DEGREE IN HOSPITALITY ADMINISTRATION WITH A FOCUS ON BAKING AND PASTRY. 
          SO I FIGURED, I CAN GET TWO ASSOCIATES DEGREES IN TWO YEARS AND END UP HAVING NO STUDENT DEBT AND IF I WANTED TO I COULD STUDY CULINARY FOR A YEAR IF I WANT TO OR I DON'T KNOW, GOING TO WORK IN A BIG CITY KITCHEN. I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S WHAT MY 
          GOAL IS RIGHT NOW. >> I'M STILL A JUNIOR IN HIGH SCHOOL, BUT RIGHT NOW IS A BIG COLLEGE PLANNING TIME. I DID NOT KNOW WHAT I WANTED TO DO WITH MY LIFE AT ALL BEFORE THIS YEAR AND BEING IN FCC LA WAS GREAT FOR ME BECAUSE IT COMBINED ONE OF MY BIGGEST INTERESTS WHICH IS SCIENCE. I AM OBSESSED WITH BIOLOGY AND HAVE A GREAT TEACHER, MR. FITZGERALD WHO HAS HELPED ME SEE SO MUCH OF THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT I CAN ACHIEVE. I REALIZED THROUGH FCC LA I CAN APPLY THESE INTERESTS AND LOOKING AT CULINARY INSTITUTE, LOOKING FOR THE CLASSES THEY ARE ABLE TO TAKE IN THE CAREER PATHWAYS, I CAN COMBINE TWO OF THE PASSIONS I HAVE IN MY LIFE WITH FOOD AND SCIENCE AND I'M HOPING TO GO 
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TO COLLEGE FOR EITHER CULINARY OR BIOLOGY, CHEMISTRY RELATED OR MAYBE ONE DAY BE A FOOD CHEMIST. THAT'S MY BIGGEST 
          DREAM. >> THAT'S AWESOME. WE ARE GOING TO PRESENT MADELEINE ARROYO AND JULIA HOHNE WITH OFFICIAL CARMEL CITY PINS AND THEN ALSO SOME CERTIFICATES , SO IF YOU CAN PLEASE HELP ME CONGRATULATE ON A OUTSTANDING JOB. WE CAN TAKE SOME PICTURES. WITH THE CERTIFICATE. 
          >> NEXT AS I MOVE. >> A COUPLE QUICK OBSERVATIONS. 
          FIRST OF ALL, AWESOME. ONE, I LOVE THE PASSION FOR PORK. ONE OF INDIANA'S BIGGEST ECONOMIC DRIVERS. WE TRIED TO IMPART HISTORY OF CARMEL IN EACH MEETING ONE OF THE STATE 'S MOST FAMOUS AND SHORT-LIVED PORK FARMS WAS HERE IN CARMEL. 
          AT 116TH AND SPRING MILL AND I ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY TO LOOK UP THAT STORY BECAUSE IT'S INTERESTING. AS I POINT OUT AS IS PROVEN TO ME EVERY DAY I GET TO LIVE IN CARMEL. THIS IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF WHY CARMEL IS THE CITY OF CHAMPIONS AND WE SHOULD NOT BE EMBARRASSED TO SAY THAT. SO CONGRATULATIONS. 
          >> COUNCILOR TAYLOR. >> CONGRATULATIONS. I DID WANT TO SAY, JULIA, I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY LAST WEEK TO BE AT THEIR CULINARY SCHOOL AND I MET CHEF RICKY. HOPEFULLY YOU GET TO MEET CHEF RICKY, ONE OF THE BEST INSTRUCTORS OVER THERE AND HE LEADS INSTRUCTION, BASICALLY HELPING TO PREP THE KITCHENS FOR THE DINNER THAT MY FRIENDS SERVE OUT OF THAT LOCATION. I THINK THE FACILITIES ARE ABSOLUTELY AMAZING. SO I HOPE YOU GUYS ENJOY, CONGRATULATIONS. 
          >> ALL RIGHT, NEXT ON THE AGENDA. ARTIST JOHN MOORE. THE LOVE ETERNAL SCULPTURE, IF JOHN CAN STAND UP PLEASE. I WILL HAND IT OFF TO COUNCILOR AYERS. 
          >> I AM NOT AS OFF-THE-CUFF AS THE REST OF THESE GUYS I'M GOING TO READ THIS. TODAY I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO RECOGNIZE JOHN MOORE AND SPECIFICALLY THE ART KNOWN AS LOVE ETERNAL. MR. MOORE INSPIRATION FOR LOVE ETERNAL IS A HANDCRAFTED, HEART LINKED TO THE INFINITY SIGN MR. MOORE WANTED A SPECIAL WAY TO SIGN OFF LETTERS AND GREETING CARDS TO LOVED ONES , MOST ESPECIALLY HIS LATE WIFE AND DAUGHTER. SO HE CREATED WHAT HE CALLS LOVE ETERNAL AND TO FIND THAT AS ONCE IT STARTS IT NEVER ENDS. ALWAYS UPWARD ALWAYS GROWING. THE COMPLETION OF THIS CULTURE HAS FULFILLED WISHES OF HIS LATE WIFE TO SHARE THIS SPECIAL MESSAGE WITH THE WORLD. 
          YOU CAN FIND THE ART PIECE DISPLAYED AND TO BE ENJOYED FOR PUBLIC INTERACTION AT CARTER GREEN AND I ENCOURAGE YOU TO VISIT AND TAKE PICTURES AND SHARE THEM WITH YOUR LOVED ONES AS WELL AS HASHTAG LOVE ETERNAL CARMEL. THANK YOU. 
          [00:16:01]
          >> ONE THING PEOPLE MAY NOT REALIZE ABOUT THE SCULPTURE AND BEFORE I KNEW THE HISTORY ABOUT IT, I WAS VERY INVOLVED WITH MANAGING THE REDESIGN BETWEEN CITY CTR., DRIVE , CARMEL DRIVE AND THERE WERE MANY STEPS TAKEN AT IT. ONCE IT GOT COMPLETE SOMEBODY BROUGHT UP THE SCULPTURE AND I DID NOT KNOW WHAT IT WAS AT THE TIME GOING BACK TO 2019. ALL OF A SUDDEN THE ENTIRE DESIGN OF THE CORRIDOR BETWEEN THE CITY CENTER AND WHERE THE BRIDGE LEADS INTO CARMEL DRIVE FLIPPED TO REVOLVE AROUND THE SCULPTURE TO MAKE SURE IT HAD A PROPER HOME FITTING OF WHAT IT REPRESENTED AND MEANT IF YOU DO NOT KNOW THAT THERE WERE PROBABLY HUNDREDS OF HOURS THAT WENT INTO NOT ONLY PICKING THE RIGHT SPOT, THEN MAKING SURE WHAT WAS AROUND IT AND AT LEAST SIX DIFFERENT SPOTS AROUND THEIR FINALLY THE DECISION WAS MADE. THERE MAY HAVE BEEN MORE ATTRACTIVE SPOTS, BUT NOT ONES THAT WOULD'VE FULFILLED WHAT WE CAME TO UNDERSTAND YOUR MISSION OF THE INTERACTION AND REALLY GETTING PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND IT AND I KNOW MY CHILDREN AND I HAVE SEEN COUNCILOR TAYLOR AND THEIR CHILDREN CLIMBING ON IT AND KNOWING THE HISTORY IS VERY 
          SPECIAL SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> MOVING ON ITEM 6, 
          [7. COUNCIL AND MAYORAL COMMENTS/OBSERVATIONS]
RECOGNITION OF PERSONS WHO WISH TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL. I DO NOT HAVE ANY BLUE CARDS. LIVING ON ITEM 7, COUNCIL AND MAYORAL COMMENTS AND OBSERVATIONS. ANY COMMENTS FROM THE COUNCIL? 
          COUNCILOR WORELL. >> THANK YOU, JUST WANTED TO DRAW EVERYONE'S ATTENTION TO THE FACT THAT WE HAD A SHORT TERM RENTAL SITUATION ON THE WEST SIDE OF CARMEL AND THAT WAS SETTLED SUCCESSFULLY. I WANT TO THANK COUNCILOR MINNAAR FOR HER WORK ON THAT . WE HAD A SITUATION WHERE , OBVIOUSLY, SAMANTHA IS HERE FROM CORPORATION COUNCIL AND THEIR WORK, BUT THAT WAS A REALLY IMPORTANT ISSUE TO ME AND TO SUPPORTING THOSE RESIDENTS AND PROTECTING NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT THE MAYOR AND THE LEGAL TEAM DID TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE IS SOME CREDIT GIVEN FOR THE FACT THAT THAT WAS SUCCESSFULLY RESOLVED. 
          I HAVE NOT TALKED TO THE HOA PRESIDENT, BUT I'M SURE THEY ARE THRILLED AND HAPPY TO KNOW THAT PROBLEM HAS BEEN RESOLVED BY THE CITY. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          >> COUNCILOR MINNAAR >> THANK YOU FOR THE RECOGNITION. I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT AND I WANT TO PUT IT ON THE RECORD BY SAYING ANY PUD THAT COMES TO CARMEL WILL NOW HAVE RENTAL RESTRICTIONS. JUST AS A MATTER 
          OF COST. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I WOULD LIKE TO PIGGYBACK ON EVERYTHING SAID. A LOT OF APPRECIATION FOR WORKING HARD TO HELP RESOLVE THIS WITH THE LEGAL TEAM. MUCH APPRECIATED. MOVING ON TO COUNCILOR SNYDER. 
          >> ANOTHER SUBJECT. WE WILL GET INTO A NUMBER OF THINGS TONIGHT AND I WANT TO MAKE EVERYBODY AWARE THAT CHAIRMAN OF THE FINANCE COMMITTEE, COUNCILOR WORELL AND THE FINANCE COMMITTEE MET AT 4:00 TODAY AND WE HASHED OUT AND TALKED AT LENGTH ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS WHICH IS EXCELLENT. VERY PRODUCTIVE, WONDERFUL CONVERSATION, VERY INSIGHTFUL. 
          SO PEOPLE WATCHING THIS MEETING, I WANT TO KNOW, THAT IS ON TV AND RECORDED, LOOK IT UP AND WATCH IT. IF YOU DON'T GET IN AS DEPTH AS YOU WOULD LIKE ON A FEW OF THINGS, WHICH 
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I'M SURE WE WILL GET INTO, BUT WE DID THAT A LOT OF PROPOSED ORDINANCES AND RESOLUTIONS BEFORE US TODAY AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THE FINANCE COMMITTEE FOR ALLOWING THE REST OF US TO OFFER UP OPINIONS AND REALLY TALK THROUGH SOME OF THESE THINGS AND RESPECTING THE OPINIONS OF OTHER COUNSELORS 
          [8. CONSENT AGENDA]
THAT MAY NOT BE ON THE COMMITTEE, MUCH APPRECIATED. 
          >> OKAY, MOVING ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. ITEM NUMBER EIGHT APPROVAL OF MINUTES NOVEMBER 18, 2020 FOR REGULAR MEETING. CLEANSER PAYROLL AMOUNT OF $3,669,623.08 GENERAL CLAIM TO MELLOW $4,065,080.73. AND $31,395.63 FOR NOVEMBER 4, 2020 FOR PURCHASE CARD AND $27,809.52, FOR THE DECEMBER FOR THE DECEMBER 5 FOR THE DECEMBER 5, 2020 FOR PURCHASE 
          CARD. >> MOVED TO APPROVE. 
          >> ANY DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE. CONSENT AGENDA APPROVED BY VOTE 
          [10.a. Finance, Utilities and Rules Committee]
OF 9-0. NUMBER NINE ACTION ON MAYORAL BEATLES, THERE ARE NONE. COMMITTEE REPORTS, FINANCE, UTILITIES AND RULES, 
          COUNCILOR WORELL. >> THANK YOU, AS STATED WE HAD A VERY PRODUCTIVE MEETING. THERE WERE FOUR ITEMS ON THE AGENDA. FIRST RESOLUTION CC ONE 118 2406 CONFIRMATORY RESOLUTION WHICH I CAN SPEAK MORE WHEN WE RETURN IT. WHEN THAT APPEARS ON THE AGENDA ORDINANCE D 2740 AND 2741 REMAIN IN COMMITTEE. WE DO NOT HAVE A SCHEDULED MEETING IN DECEMBER, BUT IF ONE IS NEEDED, HAPPY TO ACCOMMODATE. 
          [10.b. Land Use and Special Studies Committee]
          >> THANK YOU. >> LAND-USE SPECIAL STUDY. 
          >> THANK YOU, WE MET AT REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING THE WEDNESDAY FOLLOWING THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING WITH TWO ITEMS ON THE AGENDA GOAL ADDRESSED ONE THE LOCAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN CLAY TOWNSHIP, CITY OF CARMEL AND CARMEL CLAY PARKS. WE HAVE SENT IT BACK WITH UNANIMOUS POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION AND WE 
          [11.a. Carmel Redevelopment Commission (Monthly)]
CAN TALK MORE WHEN WE GET THERE. 
          >> THANK YOU, MOVING ON ITEM NUMBER 11 OTHER REPORTS, CARMEL REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION, HENRY WITH A MONTHLY UPDATE. 
          >> GOOD EVENING THIS IS CARMEL REDEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR. TO THE ACTIVITIES OF LAST MONTH WITH THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION. 
          THINGS TO THIS EVENING'S INTRODUCTIONS IT IS APPROPRIATE TO START AT CITY CENTER WITH THE RENT OF THE WINDSOR BUILDING CONTINUING CONSTRUCTION LOOKING FORWARD TO A RETAIL BUILDOUT IN BOTH BUILDINGS COMING SOON. I WILL SAY FOR ANYONE WHO HAS NOT BEEN TO OUR CITY CENTER RECENT MONUMENTAL AWARD THAT MR. MOORE'S ART IS RIGHT THERE. IF YOU CAN SEE WITH MY MOUSE. WE ARE, A PERIOD OF SEVERAL MONTHS JOHN WOULD SAY THE ART IS UP HOW ABOUT THE PARK THAT TELLS PEOPLE ABOUT THE HASHTAG? THAT TOOK IT WHILE BUT THE DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION PUT UP THE PLAQUES DESCRIBING PUBLIC ART AND INSPIRATION IN 10 OR 12 PLACES RELATED TO MAJOR ART SO THAT IS ONE OF THE PLAQUES YOU CAN SEE TODAY IN FRONT OF THE LOVELY SCULPTURE. FIRST ON MAIN IS FINISHED. THERE WORKING ON THE FOR SALE CONDO COMPONENT . FOR ANYONE WONDERING THERE WILL BE A PUBLIC PARKING SIGN COMING TO THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING TO LET PEOPLE NOW PARKING IN THE GARAGE IS FREE. 
          MAGNOLIA STARTING ON THE NEXT SET OF UNITS THAT IS EXCITING STUFF. I STILL DON'T HAVE UPDATES, BUT I BELIEVE A SUSHI PLACE HAS SAID THEY ARE MOVING INTO THE FIRST FLOOR THERE I THINK WE WILL HAVE ADDITIONAL UPDATES ON RETAIL, AS WELL. SPA AND SUCH. SIGNATURE IS COMING OFF THE LIST SOON BECAUSE IT IS OPENED AND THE RETAIL IS OPEN AND THERE WAS A GREAT GROUNDBREAKING OR A GRAND REOPENING WE WILL CALL IT OF 
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STOUT SHOES LONGTIME CARMEL BUSINESS. THAT WAS LAST MONTH. 
          CIVIC SQUARE GARAGE , THE CONDOS JUST LAST WEEK RECEIVED ITS ENTITLEMENT APPROVAL PLANNING AND ZONING APPROVAL SO THEY WILL BE GOING IN FOR CONSTRUCTION PERMITS IN THE NEXT MONTH OR SO. SHOULD START CONSTRUCTION IN THE SPRING . 
          REPUBLIC HEADQUARTERS CONTINUES TO BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION, LOOKING BETTER AND BETTER EVERY DAY. EXCITING PROJECT A DRIVE-BY. THIS IS LOOKING INCREDIBLE, I LOOK FORWARD TO THE DEVELOPER ANNOUNCING THE FIRST FOUR REDEVELOPMENT TENANTS. A LOT OF PROGRESS ON RANGELINE ON THE OFFICE BUILDING 1933 ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND ON THE TOWNHOMES FACING FIRST. THEY ARE GOING UP NOW, LOOKS GOOD. A COUPLE FINAL PROJECTS. ICON ON MAIN UNDER CONSTRUCTION. LOOKING FOR Q3, 2026 COMPLETION OF THE PROJECT INCLUDING THE PUBLIC PLAZA. AND AT&T IS MAKING A LOT OF PROGRESS. DEPARTMENTS MULTIFAMILY ON THE WAY UP AND THAT OFFICE BUILDING IS LOOKING BEAUTIFUL. NICE TO SEE THAT KIND OF OFFICE BUILDING CONTINUE TO BE BUILT IN DOWNTOWN CARMEL EVEN WHEN THAT STRUGGLE ACROSS THE COUNTRY CONTINUES WITH OFFICE. WITH THAT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          >> EXCUSE ME, >> THE LIGHTING ON THE LOVE ETERNAL STILL DOES NOT WORK. I KNOW THAT MIGHT NOT BE HER ISSUE THAT I WILL SAY THAT ON THE RECORD. 
          >> A COUPLE QUESTIONS SO I CAN ASK ONE OR TWO AND THAT SOMEONE ELSE CAN JUMP IN. FIRST ON THE CONDOS WRAPPING THE CITY CENTER GARAGE WE HAVE REVENUE SHARE ON THAT CORRECT? CAN YOU EXPLAIN 
          THAT SO THE COUNSELORS . >> YES, DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF UNIT THERE WAS A SET SALES PRICE THAT WENT INTO THE PROJECT AGREEMENT AND IF THE DEVELOPER ENDS UP SELLING THE UNITS FOR MORE THAN THAT SALES PRICE OR ANYTHING OVER 110% OF THE FINAL PRICE THE CITY WOULD SHARE 25% OF THAT. 
          >> ICE ON SOCIAL MEDIA FOR 1933 THEY ANNOUNCED SOME SORT OF DATE. DID YOU CATCH THAT OR HAVE ANY UPDATE ON WHEN THEY 
          ANTICIPATE OPENING? >> I DO NOT BUT I WILL CHECK 
          SOCIAL MEDIA. >> WHAT DO THEY SAY? MARCH? 
          OKAY. >> FINALLY YOU MAY EXPRESS THIS, YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT PROPERTY ON MAIN STREET WHICH CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THE LAND FOR THAT. CAN YOU UPDATE THE FULL COUNCIL ON WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE LAND AND WHERE IT 
          IS IN THE PROCESS NOW? >> THE QUESTION IS ASKED ABOUT THE OLDER HOUSES ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF MAIN STREET. RIGHT WHEN YOU DRIVE PAST OUR ROUNDABOUT ON FOURTH AND MAIN ESSENTIALLY. 
          I DON'T HAVE A PICTURE OF THAT NOW, BUT THERE WERE THREE HOUSES AND A GARAGE AND THEIR CONCEPT OF BUILDING A FIRST FLOOR RETAIL, FOUR FOR CELL CONDOS ON THE SECOND FLOOR AND FOR SALE UNIT ON THE THIRD FLOOR AND THAT IS GOING TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON THE 19TH AND THAT IS GOING TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON 19 DECEMBER. MAYBE THE 17TH. ONE OF THOSE DATES IT WOULD BE A PROJECT WITH RETAIL AND THEN ALL FOR SALE. AND WOULD PRESENT PROPER ENTRANCE TO WALK UP MAIN STREET, MORE PROPER THAN THOSE THREE HOUSES NOW. IF I COULD I WOULD LIKE TO COME TO THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING WITH SOME IMAGES OF THAT INSTEAD OF THE NARRATIVE. IF THIS GOES THROUGH FINDING COMMISSION AND ENTITLEMENT WE WOULD COME BACK TO COUNCIL IN JANUARY FOR ALLOCATION BOND REQUEST RELATED TO THIS PROPOSAL. 
          >> COUNCILOR SNYDER AND THEN COUNCILOR WORELL. 
          >> CAN YOU EXPLAIN SO THE PROCESS IN WHICH YOU HAVE SOMETHING ON YOUR SIDE IS AFTER EVERYTHING IS APPROVED? 
          >> GENERALLY, YES. WHEN WE BRING PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS , WE SHOW WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO GET TO WITH CITY 
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COUNCIL ON ALI'S PROJECT WITH BONDS GIVES APPROVAL THAT GIVES SPENDING MONEY TO GO TO PLANNING AND ZONING TO GO THROUGH THE ENTITLEMENT PROCESS. THEN WE KNOW THERE IS A PROJECT OR IF THERE IS A PROJECT APPROVED AND AFTER THAT I START PUTTING IT IN MY SLIDES AND KEEPING EVERYONE APPRISED OF WHAT'S HAPPENING. THE OTHER THING WE DO, WHENEVER A PROJECT IS APPROVED IS WE PUT IT ON THE CARMEL WEBSITE WHERE ANYBODY CAN FIND BEFORE AND AFTER PICTURES AND WITH THE PROJECT IS SUPPOSED TO BE. I DON'T WANT TO GET AHEAD OF MYSELF OR BE PRESUMPTUOUS BECAUSE IT HAS TO GO THROUGH PLANNING AND 
          ZONING. >> I DO WANT SOMETHING PREPARED FOR IF IT COMES HERE. PLEASE BE PREPARED TO ANSWER THE QUESTION WHY WE DID NOT REQUIRE THE REST OF THE LAND, WHAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE PROPORTIONATELY BEHIND THE BUILDING. THANK YOU. 
          >> I DON'T KNOW WHERE ELSE TO ASK MY QUESTION SO I'M NOT EXPECTING YOU WILL GIVE ME A GREAT ANSWER, MAYBE CHIEF STERLING CAN HELP ME. LAST YEAR AFTER THE MARKET THERE WERE MULTIPLE MEETINGS ABOUT PARKING. I AM GETTING CONCERNS FROM RESIDENTS, A COUPLE OF BUSINESS OWNERS IN THE AREA. 
          CAN YOU GIVE ME OR IS THERE ANYONE IN THE ROOM IN AN OFFICIAL CAPACITY WHO CAN HELP ME UNDERSTAND , IS THE NEW TRAFFIC PATTERN WORKING? WHAT IS THE CAPACITY OF THE GARAGE IS IN THE AREA? WHAT IS BEING DONE, WHAT CAN BE DONE AND WHAT DO I TELL RESIDENTS WHO ARE STRUGGLING WITH THE INCREASED TRAFFIC IN THAT AREA? I DON'T KNOW IF THERE HAVE BEEN ANY MEETINGS REGARDING PARKING CURRENTLY. I KNOW I ATTENDED A MEETING WITH YOU LAST YEAR. I THOUGHT YOU WERE THERE WHERE WE 
          WERE TRYING TO WORK ON THAT. >> HOLD ON. COUNCILOR AYERS MAY 
          HAVE SOMETHING. >> WE ARE WORKING ON A TRAFFIC STUDY OR A PARKING STUDY. I HAVE MET WITH I PARK. SO THAT IS PUT IN PLACE. WE HAVE NOT RECENTLY DID THAT. 
          >> THAT IS FOR CHRIS KENDALL MARKET? 
          >> I THOUGHT THAT MIGHT'VE BEEN YOUR QUESTION. A PORTION OF IT. THE STUDY IS INCLUDING THAT. 
          >> OKAY. I KNOW COUNCILOR SNYDER WANTS TO SAY SOMETHING. 
          IS THAT SOMETHING YOU EXPECT TO BE APPLIED TO THE CURRENT THIS 
          YEAR OR IN THE FUTURE? >> THE FUTURE. 
          >> I AM ASKING ABOUT FEET ON THE STREET, WHAT DO WE SEE NOW AND HOW ARE WE ADDRESSING THAT? I KNOW WE HAVE A NEW TRAFFIC PATTERN SO THAT'S THE FIRST QUESTION HOW DID IT GO THE 
          FIRST COUPLE OF WEEKENDS? >> NO PROBLEM. I CAN SAY ANECDOTALLY THE TRAFFIC PATTERN HAS BEEN SUCCESSFUL. IT HAS ALLOWED SAFER ROUTE FOR PEDESTRIANS. LEAVING NORTHBOUND OPEN HAS BEEN GOOD, AS WELL. OBVIOUSLY THE ULTIMATE AMOUNT OF SUCCESS WOULD BE THE FEEDBACK YOU'RE GETTING SO I WOULD BE INTERESTED TO HEAR WHAT YOU ARE HEARING. AS YOU MENTIONED WE DID ENGAGE IN CONVERSATION ON THE RIGHT WAY TO DO TRAFFIC. A PROBLEM WE INHERITED SO I AM OPEN TO FEEDBACK ABOUT THE MARKET TEAM AS WELL. THIS WAS SOMETHING WE TRIED THIS YEAR. OF THE LIMITED EXPENSE WE HAVE I WAS OUT , IT WAS PRETTY SUCCESSFUL, BUT CERTAINLY OPEN TO FEEDBACK. 
          >> EXCELLENT, I WILL SEND YOU AN EMAIL FROM A CITIZEN WHO LIVES IN PARKSIDE, THIRD AVENUE AND AUTUMN DRIVE WHO CLAIM PEOPLE ARE PARKING IN THE TURN LANE. AND YOU KNOW, I WON'T GO INTO ALL THE DETAILS BUT I WILL SEND IT TO YOU. 
          >> COUNCILOR SNYDER. >> TO THE POINT WE MET WITH THE FAMILY AND I DOUBT IT WAS THE SAME PEOPLE, BUT WITH THE SAME CONCERNS LAST WEEK. WALKED ALL OF AUTUMN DRIVE . IF WE CAN JUMP ON THAT WITH YOU. WHAT , COUNCILOR AYERS INITIATIVE IS A 
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COVERAGE A PARKING STUDY FOR THIS VERY THING. IT WILL NOT BE COMPLETED UNTIL NEXT YEAR, IT WAS FAST TRACKED TO COLLECT AS MUCH DATA AS POSSIBLE DURING THIS MARKET AND IN EMAILS I HAVE GOTTEN NOT RELATED TO AUTUMN DRIVE HAVE BEEN DONE NOW PEOPLE ARE FRIGHTENED TO USE THIRD AVENUE AND CONGESTION. 
          AGAIN I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH ANYTHING WE HAVE DONE. WE ARE LEARNING AND TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT. 
          >> IF I COULD MAKE ONE MORE COMMENT. YOU AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE. I DO NOT, ON A ROUTINE BASIS SO MAYBE THE PARKING STUDY WILL ADDRESS THIS. I DO HEAR PEOPLE SAY THE GARAGE IS, THEY ARE CLASS MARKED BUT NOT OBVIOUS AND THAT'S OPINIONS OF SOME PEOPLE, NOT OBVIOUSLY MARKED TO GET TO A GARAGE THAT THEY MAY NOT KNOW EXISTS. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE HEARD THAT OR ANYBODY ELSE IS HEARING IT, BUT THAT IS A CONCERN BEING VOICED TO THE OWNER OF THE LASER FLASH WHEN HE HAS EMPLOYEES BLOCKING HIS PARKING LOT. THERE IS ANGER DON'T KNOW WHERE THE GARAGES ARE SO HOW DO I GET THERE? 
          >> COUNCILOR TAYLOR. >> PSYCHOLOGY AROUND STRUCTURE PARKING IS AN ISSUE. WAYFINDING IS ALWAYS AN ISSUE. TO THAT POINT WE HAVE DONE SUCH A GOOD JOB HIDING GARAGES THAT WE HAD THEM SO WELL THAT PEOPLE CANNOT FIND THEM AND PARKING THEM. 
          THIS STUDY WAS DRIVEN BY THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE SPLIT BETWEEN WHAT IS RESERVED AND WHAT IS NOT AND WILL THE PEOPLE LIVING IN THE DEVELOPMENT USE ALL THE SPACE OR IF THERE'S CAPACITY IN THE GARAGE SO GARAGE CAPACITY IS ANOTHER THING. THE OTHER THING TERESA BROUGHT UP IS ENFORCEMENT. WE CAN HAVE A TWO HOUR PARKING RESTRICTED PARKING , BUT IS IT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COMMUNITY FOR A HIGHLY COMPENSATED CARMEL POLICE OFFICER WRITING TICKETS OR HOW DO WE ENFORCE PARKING? A LOT OF THIS COMES DOWN TO WHERE PEOPLE ARE PARKING IN AREAS WHERE THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO PARK BUT HOW DO WE GET TO IT AND ENFORCE? ARE THE ENFORCEMENT MECHANISMS APPROPRIATE AND IN PLACE AND HOW DO WE ENFORCE AND ARE THE MECHANISMS? LOOKING AT GARAGE CAPACITY. IT'S GOING TO LOOK AT PARKING WITHIN THE CENTRAL CORE IN THE GARAGE AND ON THE STREET WITH SOME OF THE POLICY MATTERS FOR WHAT'S BEST PRACTICE FOR WHAT OTHER COMMUNITIES HAVE DONE. WE EXPECT THAT TO BE DONE , WHEN WITH A FINISH THAT? MARCH? 
          >> LATE SUMMER? >> A WHOLE YEAR'S WORTH OF 
          FESTIVITIES. >> THANK YOU. ONE MISSING COMPONENT WHICH YOU WERE TOUCHING ON IT, I KNOW WE BEAT UP ON THE MARKETING DEPARTMENT DURING THE BUDGET HEARINGS. 
          THIS IS SOMETHING THEY COULD HELP, EDUCATING THE PUBLIC BECAUSE I KNOW WHERE TO PARK, I KNOW THE BEST PARKING SPOTS AND I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM BUT I THINK THE GENERAL PUBLIC, WHEN FRIENDS COME VISIT OUTSIDE OF CARMEL ARE TESTING ME WHERE DO I PARK? NOT EVERYONE CAN TEXT A CITY COUNSELOR , BUT I THINK THE MARKETING DEPARTMENT SHOULD STEP UP AND GUIDE PEOPLE BECAUSE WE HAVE A COUNTER ON THE CITY CENTER GARAGE RIGHT NEAR CIVIC SQUARE GARAGE. THERE IS ALWAYS SPOTS THERE SO WE NEED TO GUIDE PEOPLE. NOT A FAR WALK AND NOT ALL TRYING TO PARK RIGHT IN THE SAME GARAGE IN THE SAME SPOT. SO THE MARKETING IF YOU ARE WATCHING PLEASE HELP GUIDE PEOPLE IN THE RIGHT 
          DIRECTION. >> A COUPLE OF THINGS. I'M GOING TO CHANGE THE SUBJECT IN ONE SECOND, ONE OF THE OTHER ISSUES WE ARE FINDING IT DIFFICULT TO MANEUVER ARE SHOWS HAPPENING AND MAYBE THERE'S COMMUNICATION THAT CAN HAPPEN BETWEEN , FOR SOMEONE WHO GOES TO THE SYMPHONY SUCH AS MYSELF ON A SATURDAY NIGHT DURING THE MARKET, THERE'S NO PLACE TO PARK. MOST PATRONS ARE MY AGE AND OLDER SO THEY DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO WALK 2 MILES. THESE ARE SOME OF THE FEEDBACK FOR YOU, CHIEF AND AFTER THAT I WOULD LIKE TO 
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KNOW, FOR YOU HENRY, WHEN DO YOU THINK YOU HAVE MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE RETAIL AND WHEN WE ANNOUNCE THESE FINDINGS? IT SEEMS LIKE WE KEEP HEARING THE SAME THING. THEY 
          ARE GOING TO TELL US. >> REACH OUT TO THE DEVELOPERS WHO SAY IT'S IN FRONT OF THE FINANCE COMMITTEE'S SO I HAVE NOTHING TO REPORT AND I ALWAYS ASKED THE QUESTION WHEN IS THIS GOING TO BE SHARED WHEN I HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS HOPEFULLY SOON BUT I'M SORRY THAT'S NOT A GREAT ANSWER. 
          >> JUST, ANY UPDATE ON HOW THE PARKING SPACES ARE WORKING AS FAR AS COUNTED PARKING SPACES IN THE GARAGE? HAVE WE SEEN HOW 
          THAT WORKS? >> WE HAVE HAD A LOT OF POSITIVE FEEDBACK ON THE COUNTERS SPECIFICALLY. THAT GARAGE , KIND OF WHAT I'VE HEARD IN THE PAST, THE VENDORS TAKE A LOT OF THAT FOR PARKING SO IT'S KIND OF LIMITED WHEN IT COMES TO PATRONS, BUT THE COUNTERS HAVE BEEN REALLY NICE 
          >> ANY PLANS TO PUT THEM IN OTHER GARAGES? 
          >> PROBABLY AN ENGINEERING QUESTION. 
          >> I BELIEVE THAT FOR A FUTURE DATE. THANK YOU. 
          >> COUNCILOR SNYDER. >> ONE LAST PARKING THING AND THEN SOMETHING THAT REALLY PERTAINS TO YOU. JUST TO CLARIFY, I PARKED WAS AN INITIATIVE OF THE COUNCIL THROUGH THE INFRASTRUCTURE BOND AND KNOWING THAT WOULD NOT BE FUNDED UNTIL LATE IN THE YEAR, HI PARK , WE ASKED THEM TO EXPEDITE WITH ENGINEERING. I DON'T KNOW IF THE CONTRACT HAS GONE BEFORE DPW OR NOT BUT I KNOW THEY ARE WORKING ON IT WITHOUT GETTING PAID BECAUSE WE ARE PUSHING HARD SO WHATEVER THE CONTRACT LOOKS LIKE WHEN IT GETS TO BE PW WE CAN REPORT BACK. BUT WE DO HAVE A DRAFT THAT I WILL SEND TO LEGAL TO MAKE SURE IT CAN BE SHARED PUBLICLY. SO WHEN IT GETS TO BE PW THEN WE CAN SAY ALL THE SCOPE OF SERVICES AND OBJECTIVES WITH ONE THING IN THERE ARE INTERMEDIATE REPORTS WITH UPDATES AS THEY GET THROUGH SECTION BY SECTION, FESTIVAL BY FESTIVAL SO THANK YOU TO COUNCILOR AYERS FOR LEADING THAT. ALL I HAVE DONE IS BULLDOG ENGINEERING. WHEN YOU GO TO THE AT&T CENTER AND THERE'S A QUESTION ABOUT THAT AND THIS WILL PERTAIN TO 
          AND WHAT WAS THE TIF ON THIS? >> 95%. 18 OR 19 MILLION. 
          >> I WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT I'M NOT BEING CRITICAL OF THIS, BUT IN MANY COMMUNITIES AND CARMEL HAS CHOSEN A DIFFERENT MODEL TO CREATE A BETTER PRODUCT, BUT THIS WRITING INFRASTRUCTURE WOULD BE PAID FOR TOO. THIRD AVENUE HAS BEEN PAID FOR BY THE CITY. I AM PRETTY SURE IT IS AT ITS BUDGET LIMIT, MAYBE NOT QUITE FINISHED. A QUESTION FOR AVENUE WHICH NEEDED TO BE DONE, BUT WAS ALSO PRECIPITATED BY THE DEVELOPMENT. AT ONE POINT IF THE PROJECT GOES OVER BUDGET AND I KNOW NOTHING CAN BE DONE, BUT IN THE FUTURE, WHEN WE DO THESE HUGE THOROUGHFARES, TO HELP SUPPORT INCOMING MASSIVE BUILDINGS, WHEN DOES THE DEVELOPER TAKE RESPONSIBILITY AND I GET THIS QUESTION EVERY WEEK, WHEN WILL IT BE FINISHED? I KNOW THE ANSWER BUT IF YOU CAN SAY ON THE RECORD WHY IT HAS BEEN SEEMINGLY TAKING SO LONG. GO AHEAD HENRY. IF YOU CAN ADDRESS WHY WE ARE NOT SUPPORTING THE INFRASTRUCTURE CLEARLY BEING BUILT FOR THESE BUILDINGS WHY CARMEL WOULD PAY 
          FOR THAT 100%? >> THIS IS PROBABLY A QUESTION 
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WHERE REASONABLE MINDS CAN DISAGREE SO THERE'S NOT ONE RIGHT ANSWER. I THINK HISTORICALLY AND THIS IS NOT A COMMENT ABOUT ANYTHING GOING FORWARD BECAUSE THE BELONGS TO ADMINISTRATION OR COUNCIL, HOWEVER THEY SEE FIT. 
          HISTORICALLY CARMEL WAS BUILDING A DOWNTOWN FROM SCRATCH. IN WHAT WAS PREVIOUS PREVIOUS FARMLAND AND OLD STRIP CENTERS THAT WERE DEMOLISHED. IT WAS 25 YEARS THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION ESSENTIALLY SAID WE WILL BUILD OUT ROADS TO BUILD THE BEST POSSIBLE PROJECTS. WHILE IT IS TRUE THAT IF SOMEONE IS BUILDING A SUBURBAN PRODUCTION HOME STANDARD NEIGHBORHOOD , THAT'S RIGHT, THE DEVELOPER KIND OF BUILDS SUBURBAN ROADS AS PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND AN ARGUMENT CAN BE MADE IF YOU'RE BUILDING DOWNTOWN FROM SCRATCH WITH COMPLETE STREETS, AT SOME POINT THE TIP RUNS OUT. FOR THIS PROJECT THE TIP PAID FOR THE GARAGE AND THAT WAS IT. SO AT SOME POINT THERE IS NOT TIF FOR EVERYTHING. UNDERSTAND MY PREVIOUSLY CITY COUNCIL AND PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION MADE DETERMINATIONS THAT THEY BUILD OUT THE DOWNTOWN STREET GRID TO ENABLE DEVELOPERS TO DO WHAT THEY DO BEST. THIS IS A JUDGMENT CALL PEOPLE CAN DISAGREE WITH AND I'M NOT SURE THERE'S A PERFECT ANSWER. 
          >> ALL RIGHT BEFORE YOU JUMP IN BECAUSE IT IS RELATED TO YOUR. 
          EITHER DO IT IN THE UGO OR ENGINEERING WILL DO IT IN STANDARDS. SOMETHING I WILL ADVOCATE FOR BECAUSE IT IS DEPLORABLE, FOR TWO YEARS THE ROAD NEXT TO KROGER WAS CLOSED AND ALL THEY DID WAS FILL ONE LANE. GOING THROUGH LOOKING AT EVERY SURROUNDING COMMUNITY'S DESIGN STANDARDS AND HE SAYS ROAD LOCATIONS MADE USING STREET APPROACH IT WILL GO TO THE EXISTING PAYMENT, PAVEMENT EDGE TO PAVEMENT EDGE. THE FACT THAT THEY DID HAVE TO ROAD AFTER TAKING THE ROAD FROM US FOR TWO YEARS AND MAKING IT TO GET IN AND OUT OF KROGER, I 
          CANNOT EXCEPT THAT. >> DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING. ONE POINT OF CLARIFICATION, FUNDING FOR THIRD AVENUE WAS SOME MONEY FOR THE STATE. ALSO, I DON'T KNOW THE FULL DETAILS ON THIS PROJECT BECAUSE IT WAS UNDER MY PREDECESSOR BUT WE HAVE THOROUGH FAIR COMMITMENT SO CONTRIBUTE TO RIGHT-OF-WAY DEDICATION AND OTHER FORMS OF COMPENSATION. THE MAIN QUESTION OF WHEN IS THE ROAD OPENING. HOPEFULLY, BY THE END OF THE YEAR OBVIOUSLY YOU CANNOT PAY . 
          >> IS IT ON SCHEDULE? >> NO. 
          >> THE CAUSE OF DELAY? >> WE DON'T NORMALLY PLAN TO PAVE PAST HALLOWEEN . YOU PROBABLY NOTICED THE NEW OUT THERE THAT'S A THORN IN THE SIDE. SO WE WORK WITH THEM AND THEIR SCHEDULE WITH HURRICANES WERE DELAYED FOR THE HURRICANES CAME. THAT IS THE STRUGGLE 
          CURRENTLY. YEAH. >> THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT. I WANT YOU TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY IT WAS NOT THE CONTRACT OR THE CITY, IT WAS UTILITY DELAY IS THAT 
          ACCURATE? >> THAT IS ACCURATE. 
          >> ALL RIGHT ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR HENRY? THANK YOU, 
          [11.i. Climate Action Advisory Committee (Quarterly – March, June, September, December)]
HENRY. NEXT ON THE AGENDA, CLIMATE ACTION ADVISORY COMMITTEE QUARTERLY REPORT. 
          >> THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME PRESENT TONIGHT. OVER THE LAST THREE MONTHS WE HAVE HAD PRETTY MUCH A MEETING EVERY MONTH EXCEPT FOR NOVEMBER. DUE TO THE HOLIDAY AND EVERYTHING. WE HAVE GAINED A LOT OF INFORMATION OVER THOSE THREE MONTHS. 
          PARTICULARLY THE LAST MEETING WITH DAVID LITTLEJOHN, JOHN THOMAS AND MORGAN REINHARDT COMING TO PRESENT, THE DEPARTMENT CHAMPIONS FOR SUSTAINABILITY FOR THEIR DEPARTMENT WITHIN THE GOVERNMENT OF CARMEL. DAVID 
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LITTLEJOHN PRESENTED FIRST AND THIS MAY BE A SOLUTION TO SOME OF THE PARKING, BUT THEY ARE LOOKING AT A TRANSPORTATION STUDY. IN A MEETING LAST MONTH THEY WERE BRINGING A PUBLIC TRANSIT SYSTEM AGAIN REEVALUATING TO SEE HOW THEY CONNECT EAST AND WEST OF CARMEL TO DOWNTOWN. IF WE CAN GET PEOPLE TO TAKE PUBLIC TRANSIT WE WANT PARKING ISSUES SO THAT MIGHT BE A SOLUTION THERE. ALSO HE IS IN CHARGE OF PROMOTING ELECTRIC VEHICLES AND PURCHASING. THEY HAVE EXPANDED ON THE BICYCLE AND TRANSPORTATION TO THE BIKE SHARE PROGRAM COME IN 2021 THAT 5000 RIDES AND IT IS INCREASING EVERY YEAR. OR SINCE 2021. ALSO THEY ARE OFFERED WITH ANY MEMBERSHIP FOR THE BIKE RIDE PROGRAM TO CITY EMPLOYEES AND THEY HAVE HAD 30 PEOPLE HAVE SIGNED UP AS OF THE LAST MEETING. AND AGAIN, THE TRANSIT . DAVID WAS TALKING AND IT WAS TALKED ABOUT YEARS AGO AND IS BEING BROUGHT UP. THEY HAD A MEETING LAST MONTH SO WE ARE EAGER TO HEAR WHAT THAT HAS TO DO TO IT. TRANSPORTATION IN CARMEL IS ONE OF THE MAIN STRATEGIES WE ARE FOCUSED ON WITH THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN. 
          THAT STRATEGY ALONE EXHAUST FROM VEHICLES IS ONE OF THE LEADING CAUSES OF CARBON AND BY MINIMIZING THAT AND MITIGATING TO PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, EITHER THROUGH A VEHICLE BUS OR ELECTRIC BUS OF SOME TYPE WOULD BE MORE BENEFICIAL THAN HAVING CARS DRIVING TO CARMEL AND IDLING OR TAKING UP SPACE AND CAUSING NOT JUST AIR POLLUTION, BUT ALSO NOISE POLLUTION THROUGHOUT THE CITY. ANOTHER THING BROUGHT UP AT THE MEETING WITH DAVID ABOUT THE REDLINE OUT OF INDIANAPOLIS. THAT'S NOT SOMETHING ON THE TABLE BUT IT IS SOMETHING THEY ARE LOOKING AT IT AGAIN AND LOOKING AT PARTNERING WITH NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES. TO SEE IF THERE IS A WAY TO GET IT DONE, ORIGINALLY STATED RED LIGHT WANTED TO COME TO CARMEL ND THEN AND PARK AND THEN BACK TO CARMEL TO RUN STOPS BACK AND FORTH WITH INDIANAPOLIS SO THAT MAY BE AN OPTION AS WELL. AND THEN JOHN THOMAS STORMWATER ADMINISTRATOR WITH ENGINEERING SOME GOOD NEWS , THEY NOW HAVE PERMITS TO ALLOW DISCHARGE OR STORM WATER TO THE STREAMS WITH STORMWATER AND ADVOCACY EFFICIENCY PROGRAM WITH THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN HIGHLIGHTS AS A STRATEGY AND CARMEL CLASS-ACTION ADVISORY COMMITTEE IS WORKING TO GET THAT INFORMATION OUT TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC. THEY HAVE RAIN GUARD IDENTIFICATION. 10TH ANNUAL RAIN ON MAIN AUCTION, TO DATE RAISING OVER $40,000 AUCTIONED OFF TO THE RAIN BARRELS AND I BELIEVE THEY HAVE AUCTIONED OFF 153 BARRELS SO FAR, YEAH. ABOUT 230,000 GALLONS OF WATER DIVERTED FROM THE UTILITY FROM RUNOFF WHICH IS REALLY NICE. I DID BRING UP A QUESTION FOR JOHN , IF THE CITY OF CARMEL HAS INSTALLED RAIN BARRELS, WE HAVE AUCTIONED OFF 153 AND INSTALLED ZERO.'S WE LOOKING TO SEE IF AND WHEN AND WHERE WE CAN INSTALL THESE RAIN BARRELS TO USE THE RAIN RECLAMATION SYSTEM TO WATER THE PLANTS AND FLOWERS AND DO SOME OF THE IRRIGATION AND EVERYTHING. ALSO IS THE 30TH YEAR FOR RIVER CLEANUP, THEY HAVE TAKEN UP 4 TONS OF TRASH AND 40 TIRES EVERY YEAR CLEANING UP THE WHITE RIVER. THEY HAVE PARTNERS WITH THE WHITE RIVER ALLIANCE, A PROGRAM WHERE THEY WORK TO EVALUATE WATERWAYS THROUGHOUT CARMEL INDIANA. AND , MOVING ON TO MORGAN WITH MEDICATIONS. THEIR STARTING TO COLLECT DATA ON ENERGY USE CITY BUILDINGS AND UTILITIES WITHIN CITY GOVERNMENT AND SOLAR AND EV CHARGING. SINCE WE GOT TO SOLAR ON THE PARKING GARAGE THEY ARE LOOKING AT THAT. I ASKED IF THERE WERE FUTURE PLANS FOR MORE RENEWABLES TO BE ADDED WITH CITY GOVERNMENT AND THEY'RE LOOKING AT IT. WE HAVE MORE SPACE ON THE PARKING GARAGE IS AND WE HAVE SEEN WHAT HAS GONE ON WITH THE PRIVATE BUSINESSES WITH CANOPIES OVER 
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THE PARKING AREAS WITH ALL SOLAR WHICH IS AMAZING THEY ARE DOING THAT AND COMMUNITIES WHICH WAS A BIG ONE. RIGHT NOW IT IS DIFFICULT IF POSSIBLE AT ALL TO DO COMMUNITY SOLAR. I KNOW THE LIBRARY INSTALLED SOLAR PANELS ON THE LIBRARY. 
          THE ROPING TO SHARE THE EXCESS GENERATED WITH THE NEIGHBORING COMMUNITY BUT NOT ALLOWED TO. SO THERE'S DIFFERENT GROUPS THROUGHOUT THE STATE, QUITE A FEW ARE PUSHING THE STATE LEGISLATURE TO AMEND THAT TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR COMMUNITY SOLAR. SO WE SHOULD HOPEFULLY SEE CHANGES THROUGHOUT THE NEXT YEAR. AND ALSO WE PUT IN REQUEST FOR A SUMMER INTERN TO WORK ON SUSTAINABILITY PROJECTS. ONE THING I FOUND OUT TALKING TO THESE DEPARTMENT CHAMPIONS HAVE YOU BEEN ABLE TO UPDATE THE DASHBOARD OR PROVIDE INFORMATION OR GET THIS EDUCATIONAL INFORMATION AND ALL THREE SAID THEY DON'T HAVE TIME. I SAID IF WE HAD A SUSTAINABILITY COORDINATOR WITHOUT? ALL THREE UNANIMOUSLY SAID YES. SO WE DON'T HAVE THAT THIS YEAR, HOPEFULLY WE HAVE IT ON THE AGENDA FOR THE BUDGET NEXT YEAR. WE DID, THROUGH ALEXI AND OTHERS GET A SUMMER INTERN SO WE WILL HAVE A SUMMER INTERN WORKING ON PROJECTS, NOT SURE WHICH ONES YET BUT THEY WILL BE BUSY FOR 
          SURE. ANY QUESTIONS? >> VICE PRESIDENT AASEN. 
          >> THANK YOU. OKAY SO I'M GOING TO SEND THIS TO THE COUNCIL BUT I GOT THE ORIGINAL CLIMATE ACTION PLAN THAT THE CITY COUNCIL IN 2022 APPROVED, THE SUSTAINABILITY INSTITUTE WAS THE COMPANY WE CONTRACTED WITH TO DO THAT. THIS WAS IN MAY 2022 DRAFTED IN AUGUST. I THINK WE HAD AMENDMENTS AND IT WAS PASSED. THIS COUNCIL HAS PUT A LOT OF WORK INTO THIS, I WILL REPEAT I FEEL IT IS BEING IGNORED. I WILL SEND THIS TO THE COUNCIL. FOR THE COMMITTEE I WOULD LIKE TO GO THROUGH AND SAY HERE IS THE RECOMMENDATION. WHAT ARE WE DOING ABOUT THIS? IS THIS ACCOMPLISHED AND THAT WAS WHEN THE CITY COUNCIL PASSED THE COMMITTEE, THAT WAS THE PURVIEW OF THIS COMMITTEE, TO ENACT THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN. I THINK IT HAS GONE OFF THE FOCUS AND IF IT DOES NOT GET BACK INTO FOCUS I FEEL LIKE IT HAS BECOME SOMETHING THAT WHEN THE COUNCIL APPROVED IT WAS NEVER INTENDED TO BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD LIVE FOREVER. IT WAS SUPPOSED TO MAKE SURE WE DID THE THINGS WE SAID WE WOULD DO IN THIS PLAN THAT I WILL SEND TO THE COUNCIL AND I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO HIRE A SUSTAINABILITY OORDINATOR TO GET IT DONE, WE HAVE A COMMITTEE FULL OF PEOPLE AND CITY STAFF THAT CAN WORK TO AT LEAST ANSWER QUESTIONS. WE MADE THIS RECOMMENDATION, WHAT WAS THE FINAL DECISION? WAS THIS FEASIBLE OR NOT MOVING FORWARD OR WAS THE RECOMMENDATION PROVEN NOT TO BE FEASIBLE AND WE SHOULD NOT MOVE FORWARD FOR WHATEVER REASON AND WE NEED TO REFOCUS ON THE EFFORTS OF THIS CLIMATE ACTION PLAN THAT WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME AND MONEY TO DO THAT I DON'T THINK WE HAVE DONE 
          ANYTHING WITH SINCE. >> I CAN ADDRESS SOME OF THAT. 
          WE HAVE ALWAYS MAINTAINED THE GOALS OF THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN AT OUR MEETINGS. ONE THING TO KEEP IN MIND IS YES SUSTAINABILITY COORDINATOR WOULD BE BENEFICIAL A SALARY PAID INDIVIDUAL TAKING ON THIS TASK. WE ARE DEALING WITH 13 VOLUNTEERS THAT HAVE JOBS, FAMILIES AND OTHER THINGS OUTSIDE OF THIS, PLUS WE DON'T ALWAYS HAVE SCOPE OR THE ABILITY FINANCIALLY TO TAKE ON SOME OF THESE CHALLENGES. THESE ARE THINGS WE LOOK AT. WE FIND WHAT WE CAN DO WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT WHICH SOME OF THE ITEMS I READ OFF TONIGHT ARE IN THE ACTION PLAN, WE ARE WORKING TOWARD THOSE BUG COORDINATING FROM ONE TO ANOTHER TAKES INDIVIDUAL EFFORT TO GET IT DONE. WE DO NOT HAVE THE CAPABILITY OF DOING THAT ALL THE TIME SO IT MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT. IT WAS WRITTEN INTO THE PROPOSAL A COORDINATOR WOULD BE HIRED TO TAKE ON THAT ROLE AND THAT HAS YET TO BE DONE. WE CAN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS. THAT'S ALL WE ARE ENTITLED TO DO AND ALLOWED TO DO IS MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO CITY COUNCIL. WE HAVE DONE THAT IN SOME INSTANCES BUT IT TAKES EFFORT AND MANPOWER AND FINANCES TO GET SOME OF THESE THINGS DONE. DON'T HAVE CAPABILITY OR CAPACITY TO DO THAT. THAT IS WHERE THE COMMITTEE IS PRETTY MUCH STRAPPED. 
          >> I WILL SAY YOU CAN JOIN US FOR THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE'S 
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SUPER FULFILLING FOR THE STANDPOINT WE GO THROUGH EVERY SINGLE ITEM ON THE PLAN RECOMMENDED EVERY SINGLE MEETING TO TALK ABOUT THEM. THE THING THAT HAS CHANGED THIS YEAR IS THE BUY-IN OF THE CITY EMPLOYEES THAT ARE PART OF THE SUSTAINABILITY TEAM THAT'S INTERNAL AND THOSE WHO SEE OVER THE DIFFERENT DIVISION OF STRUCTURES TO BE PART OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS. THEY TELL US WHAT THEY CAN DO OVER THERE WORKING ON ALREADY ARE WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO FOCUS ON WHICH GIVES US A GOOD POINT TO REAFFIRM TO HELP THEM DERIVE NEW DIRECTION. THESE QUARTERLY REPORTS BEFORE THE COUNCIL IT MAY SOUND LIKE WE'RE LOOKING AT THINGS THAT FEEL THEY ARE OUTSIDE OF THE BOX. ALL OF THEM ARE RELATED TO DIRECT CONVERSATIONS WITH CITY STAFF IN THE ONE OR TWO HOURS WE ARE MEETING WITH THEM AS A COMMITTEE TO FIGURE OUT WHERE AND HOW THOSE ITEMS CAN BE DEFINED WITH A PLAN PUT INTO MOTION. ONE OTHER THING THAT HAS COME UP AND THE MAYOR HAS BEEN SUPER HELPFUL ON FROM A CLIMATE ACTION COMMITTEE PERSPECTIVE, SHE IS WORKING ON A NEW PLAN FOR THE CITY, A NEW STRATEGIC PLAN WHICH OFFERS TO LET THE CLIMATE ACTION COMMITTEE HAVE A LOOK AT IT TO SEE IF THERE ARE ANY ITEMS FROM THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN ITSELF WITH THE STRATEGIC GOAL FOR THE NEXT YEAR, TOO. AGAIN WHILE THIS IS A OPEN AND FULL CONVERSATION OF THINGS HAPPENING OVER THE COURSE OF TIME GOING THROUGH CLIMATE ACTION ADVISORY COMMITTEE , WE HEAVILY FOCUSED ON TRYING TO HEDGE THAT INTO THE CONVERSATION OF CITY STAFF ITSELF. 
          >> SO THANK YOU. ANY COUNCILMEMBER? 
          >> TO YOUR POINT , ONE OF THE PROGRAMS THAT ONE CITY EMPLOYEE TOOK ON WAS THE TRANSPORTATION STUDY AND I DID ATTEND THE MEETING AND IT WAS VERY INSIGHTFUL SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE MY FELLOW COUNSELORS TO TAKE THE TIME AND SPEAK TO THAT TO THE CONSULTING FIRM AND SEE , GIVE THEM SOME FEEDBACK ON THAT. SO WITH LEX DOING WHAT SHE DOES FOR THE WHITE RIVER CLEANUP AND HER INVOLVEMENT WITH ALL OF THAT IT IS A TEAM EFFORT. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND WORKING DILIGENTLY WITH COUNCILOR LOCKE THESE ARE IMPORTANT ISSUES, 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> WE HAVE A MEETING ON WEDNESDAY THIS WEEK HERE IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS IF ANYBODY WANTS TO ATTEND YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME. WE LOVE THE FEEDBACK AND THE DIALOGUE WE CAN USE AS MUCH INPUT AS WE CAN 
          GET. >> THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE THE WORK DONE ON THIS COMMITTEE AND THE WORK YOU GUYS HAVE GONE, 
          THANK YOU. >> COUNCILOR SNYDER. 
          >> I A CALL WHAT YOU SAID, THE GOAL IS A GO BACK AND YOU SENT ME THE LINK A FEW WEEKS AGO, BUT THE MEETING WHERE YOU GUYS APPROVED THIS WAS TO CREATE A PLAN AND THE COMMITTEE CREATED THE PLAN AND THEN SEEMS TO ME IT SHOULD BE UP TO THE DEPARTMENT OR THE ADMINISTRATION TO IMPLEMENT WHAT IT NEEDS. NOT SURE SPINNING WHEELS AND TALKING ABOUT A REDLINE THAT HAS BEEN KILLED 1000 TIMES AND WE'RE HERE TO DO WHAT'S BEST FOR THE COMMUNITY AND MANY THINGS OF THE PLAN IS WHAT'S BEST FOR THE COMMUNITY. TO BRING UP AN INDIGO PRODUCT THAT WOULD DO NOTHING BUT TAKE THE ECONOMY WHEN IT COMES TO ZERO NEGATIVE COST RECOVERY. I'M NOT SURE 
          THAT'S IN THE PLAN AT ALL. >> IT DOES A CONSIDERATION. 
          >> IT TALKS ABOUT TRANSPORTATION, STANDING AND TALKING ABOUT A SPECIFIC THING I DON'T THINK THAT WAS EVER IN 
          IT. I APOLOGIZE. >> FROM CITY STAFF ON WHAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT, THE PLAN WHICH WAS BROUGHT UP WHERE THEY HAD A MEETING TO TALK ABOUT THE FUTURE OF PUBLIC TRANSIT AND THE CITY, THAT WAS SOMETHING THEY SHARED WITH US A CLIMATE ACTION ADVISORY COMMITTEE WHICH IS THE FIRST TIME I HAVE HEARD IT WHICH MEANS WE HAVE MORE INPUT AS COUNSELORS ON THE DIRECTION SO WHAT I SEE THIS COMMITTEE DOING IN THE WAY IT IS FUNCTIONING WHILE IT DOES NOT HAVE A DIRECT EMPLOYEE THAT TIES TO IT IT HAS GIVEN A PLATFORM TO CONNECT TO THE DIFFERENT MEMBERS OF CITY STAFF FOCUSING ON THESE THINGS EVERY DAY AND WE USE THE PLAN ITSELF AS HOMEBASE AND WE COME BACK AND SEE WHAT'S BEING MOVED OFF AND NOT WHAT IS MOVING, BUT CANNOT MOVE, BUT WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER. PUBLIC TRANSIT IS ONE IN HIS FULL TRANSPARENCY THE COMMITTEE HAS NO CONTROL OVER AT ALL IN THE CITY ADMINISTRATION DECIDES TO TAKE 
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IT ON AS SOMETHING WHICH HE DID WHICH ALLOWS A CLIMATE ACTION PLAN WITH THE STRUCTURE AROUND THINGS THE CITY IS FOCUSING ON SO THERE IS A DIRECT REQUEST CONSTANTLY TO PAY FOR SUSTAINABILITY. THE 13 HUMANS ON IT SPENDING THEIR TIME HELPING DERIVE DIRECTION FOR STAFF MEMBERS THAT ARE IN THE CITY DEPARTMENT FOCUSING ON THESE THINGS AND REMINDING THEM TO CLIMATE ACTION PLAN WAS PAID FOR AND IT IS THE FULL GOAL OF 
          THE COMMITTEE AT THIS POINT. >> I REALLY APPRECIATE THE WORK YOU GUYS ARE DOING. I THINK YOU GUYS ARE PUT IN A DIFFICULT POSITION. WE CANNOT DO CERTAIN THINGS, BUT I THINK THE ORIGINAL SCOPE FOR IT, MAYBE NEEDS TO BE REFOCUSED. ALEXIA, I KNOW YOU WORKED HARD ON THIS. IF I SEND THE REPORT AT SOME POINT NEXT YEAR CAN WE GO THROUGH ? I CAN LOOK AT THE REPORT AND SAY RECOMMENDATION ONE, RECOMMENDATION TO AND UNDERNEATH EACH ONE AN UPDATE OF OKAY WE ARE DOING THIS WE ARE FINE OR THE WE LOOKED AND STUDIED IT. IT IS NOT FEASIBLE. 
          THAT IS KIND OF WHAT I WAS SOLD ON THIS FOR WHEN WE CREATED THE COMMITTEE. WE HAVE A CLIMATE ACTION PLAN, BUT UNLESS YOU HAVE SOMEONE TO ENSURE THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN IS ENFORCED OR DONE IN THE PLAN IS MEANINGLESS. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WAS TOLD THIS COMMITTEE WAS FOR. BUT I CANNOT TELL YOU ANYTHING ABOUT WHERE WE ARE IN SOME OF THESE THINGS. I KNOW WE GO TO THE MEETINGS, BUT IT IS A VERY IN-DEPTH REPORT. CAN WE 
          GET THE ANNOTATED BIT BY BIT? >> YES I THINK WE COULD. 
          SOMETHING THAT MIGHT HELP IS WE DID PUT THE PDF OF THE DOCUMENT INTO THE ONLINE DASHBOARD AND THAT'S WHEN I AM WE TALKED ABOUT WITH THE COMMITTEE. WHEN SOME DEPARTMENTS HAVE BEEN MAKING UPDATES THEY CAN GO ONLINE AND UPDATE STRATEGIES THEMSELVES. SO FOR INSTANCE, ONE OF THE ONES WE UPDATED RECENTLY IS THIS EB ONE MUNICIPAL ENERGY EFFICIENCY UPGRADES. AS DEPARTMENT OR BUILDINGS WORK ON SOME OF THESE THINGS, THEY CAN GO TO THE DASHBOARD AND UPDATE. HERE WE HAVE SOME UPDATES FOR INSTANCE FROM CARMEL WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT THAT SHOWS SOME OF THE ITEMS THEY HAVE BEEN DOING ALREADY. THIS IS AVAILABLE AND OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, CLIMATE CARMEL IS THE WEBSITE. ALSO AT THE END OF THE YEAR THEY HAVE A REPORTING STRUCTURE IN HERE SO I CAN GET A BETTER SNAPSHOT OF WHAT'S HAPPENED OVER THE YEAR WHERE EACH STRATEGY IS IN PLACE. YOU CAN GO ON HERE AND LOOK AT ALL THE STRATEGIES AND KIND OF SEE WHERE WE ARE WITH EACH ONE. 
          WHETHER IT STARTED OR NOT, THIS ONE FOR INSTANCE CITY OF CARMEL SUSTAINABILITY , WE DID FORM THE COMMITTEE. SO YOU CAN SEE IT WAS STARTED AND IT IS CONTINUOUS AND ONGOING, BUT THERE ARE SOME UPDATES, LIKE TASKS UNDERNEATH WHAT HAS HAPPENED. THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL. WE ARE TRYING TO KEEP A RECORD OF THAT AND SHOW PROGRESS FOR EACH STRATEGY. 
          ALSO I CAN DO SNAPSHOT REPORT THAT I CAN SEND OUT TO YOU, AS 
          WELL. >> COUNCILOR SNYDER. 
          >> YOU BROUGHT OF THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLAN. I LOVE WITH A DONE BUT THEY HAVE DONE THAT CLIMATE ACTION COMMITTEE. WHAT IT TAKES IS THE EXECUTIVE THAT POINTS OR DIRECTS THE DIRECTOR TWO CONSCIOUS DECISIONS AND WHEN THEY PUT IT OUT FOR BID, THE UPGRADES, THEY PUT OUT THE BID FOR WHAT THEY WANT. IF ONE OF THE THINGS IS THE THING OUTLINED IN HERE THAT GOES IN IT KNOWING THAT IT MAY COST MORE. MAY SAVE MONEY IN THE LONG RUN BUT IT DOES NOT TAKE COMMITTEE TO DO THAT AND THAT HAPPENS ON A RECENT PROJECT WE DO. EVERY SINGLE CROSSWALK WE DO WE ARE NOW USING INCANDESCENT BULBS ANYMORE, WHERE USING LED, NOW SOLAR SOLAR POWER. THESE ARE THINGS DONE BY THE RESPONSIBLE MEN AND WOMEN WHO DO THESE DEPARTMENTS. I JUST WONDER, WE TALK ABOUT THIS STUFF. AS IF WE'RE NOT DOING THINGS CORRECTLY, CARMEL, YOU DON'T HAVE THE WORLD'S GREATEST PARKS DEPARTMENT WITHOUT PUTTING FOCUS ON CONSERVATION AND THE ENVIRONMENT, YOU JUST DON'T. I DON'T MEAN TO BEAT UP THE CLIMATE ACTION COMMITTEE, BUT DEFINING WHAT THE ROLE REALLY IS , I THINK IT'S CRITICAL MOVING FORWARD. INSTEAD OF HAVING, UNFORTUNATELY DIVISIVE WORDS LIKE I'M IN ACTION, 
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WHETHER THEY SHOULD OR SHOULDN'T BE, BUT GOING BACK TO ITS ROOTS OF DOING WHAT WE KNOW BEST. WHAT WE WERE TAUGHT IN FIFTH GRADE. RECYCLE, REUSE AND CONSERVE. FOCUSING ON GREEN SPACE, ENERGY REDUCTION. IT HAS SPIRALED TO THE POINT AND THE FRUSTRATION IS QUITE EVIDENT. THE WHEELS KEEP SPINNING AND NOTHING HAPPENS WHEN WE ARE ALREADY DOING GREAT THINGS. I DON'T WANT TO TAKE ANYTHING AWAY FROM MY CARMEL IS ALREADY DOING WITHOUT THE HELP OF ANY KIND OF COMMITTEE TELLING THEM WHAT TO DO. WE ARE MOST OF THE CLEANEST IN THE COUNTRY. 
          >> TO NOT LOSE THE PULPIT ON THIS, THE CONCEPT OF THE COMMUNITY KNOWING THOSE THINGS WE'RE DOING IS ONE OF THE GREATEST OUTCOMES OF THIS. WE FIND NEW WAYS TO TALK ABOUT THE STRUCTURES THAT ARE OCCURRING WHICH COMES BACK TO THE FUNDAMENTAL CONCEPT , WE DO NOT HAVE THE GREATEST PARKS IF WE DID NOT FUND THEM OR FIGURE OUT A WAY TO GET SUSTAINABLE MONEY AND PUT MONEY IN THE PARKS TO MAKE THEM AMAZING. ONE OF THE STRUGGLES WE HAVE , WE DON'T HAVE FUNDING IN THE GOVERNMENT ITSELF TO PAY FOR THIS OTHER THAN THE WORK OF THOSE WONDERFUL MEN AND WOMEN DOING AMAZING JOBS EVERY DAY TO TAKE THESE GOALS I WILL PUT THE PLAN IN ACTION. THIS IS CREATING A STRUCTURE IN SOME CAPACITY WHERE 13 VOLUNTEER INDIVIDUALS ARE COMING TOGETHER AND HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH THIS ABOUT THE CITY WERE VERY BUSY WITH 1 MILLION OTHER PRIORITIES. THE GREAT THINGS THEY'RE DOING AND THINGS THEY MAY BE ABLE TO FOCUS ON THE PUT THIS PLAN AT A POINT IN TIME. WE CAN SIT APPEAR AND ACT LIKE IT'S TAKING A TON OF EFFORT AND ENERGY. IS TAKING EFFORT AND ENERGY EVERY DAY FROM THE DEPARTMENT UNDERSTAND, BUT IS TAKING ENERGY AND EFFORT FROM PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY WHO CARE, YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE TO SHOW UP, NOBODY. IN FACT WE DON'T HAVE THAT MANY PEOPLE SHOW UP AT ALL. WHEN WE SIT AND TALK AND STRUCTURE A CONVERSATION AROUND ONE OF THESE THAT'S MOVING TO FIGURE OUT HOW IT'S GOING AND SEE A WONDERFUL THE WORK OF THE CITY IS, IT GIVES CONFIDENCE AS CITIZENS THAT MOVES IN THE DIRECTION WE ARE ALL ABOUT AS A COMMITTEE. IT DOES MAKE SENSE IN SOME CAPACITY THAT MAYBE THIS IS THE GOAL OF A CITIZEN GOVERNMENT TO HAVE A COMMITTEE TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING THAT MATTERS TO CITIZENS AND WE CAN VOTE THAT DOWN ALL DAY LONG GIVING THEM ABILITY , GIVING US THE ABILITY TO TALK ABOUT THIS ISSUE. WHICH MATTERS TO SO MANY CONSTITUENTS WITH THE PEOPLE AND YET, TO GIVE THEM DIRECTION , TO ME IT CANNOT BE A BAD THING. WHETHER OR NOT WE DO TO THE BEST EXTENT OF THE LANGUAGE THERE WHICH GIVES ONE POWER OF THE COMMITTEE TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY AND WHAT THEY SHOULD DO. IT TOOK US A YEAR TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THAT, TO HAVE THE CONVERSATIONS GO TO THAT POINT IF YOU WANT TO MAKE THE BEST SUSTAINABILITY DIVISION IN THE COUNTRY THAN WE CAN FUND IT AND DO THAT. I KNOW THAT'S NOT THE APPETITE , NOT EVEN MY APPETITE. WHAT WE CAN DO IS PEOPLE TOGETHER WHO CARE WHAT THE ISSUE GET INFORMATION AND ENSURE IT'S COMING IN THIS RIGHT DIRECTION. IT HAS BEEN FIVE YEARS THE PLAN IS A PARAGRAPH THAT SAYS THERE SHOULD BE A PERSON HIRED AS A SUSTAINABILITY COORDINATOR FOR THE CITY. THAT'S THE ONE THING SAID NO TIME AND TIME AGAIN IS THE FUNDING. IF WE HAVE ONE WE WOULD NOT NEED A COMMITTEE, THEY CAN REPORT OUT AND FULFILL OBLIGATIONS UNDER A PUBLIC REPORTING WEBSITE. THEY CAN DO A LOT OF STUFF. WE DON'T HAVE THAT SO IN SOME CAPACITY THE CONCEPT OF 13 MEMBERS OF COMMITTEE, TWO ON THIS COUNCIL WHO MAY OR MAY NOT BE FULLY BOUGHT INTO SOME OF THE BUZZWORDS ON THE THING OR MIGHT BE, COME TOGETHER TO HELP DRIVE THIS FORWARD. IT'S A REALLY REALLY BEAUTIFUL THING. THAT'S WHAT GOVERNMENT IS FOR SOME CAPACITY. WHY NOT LET PEOPLE THAT ARE WILLING TO DO IT FOR FREE COME HELP US, MAKE SURE WE'RE MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION SO PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BID HAVE INFORMATION TO MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION. SO YES I HEAR YOU AND MAYBE THERE IS A PROCESS THAT CAN COME BACK TO CHANGE THE SHAPE OF THIS COMMITTEE. MAYBE WE SHOULD DO THAT WITH ALL COMMITTEES, WITH ALL THINGS WHICH IS THE TRANSPARENCY WE ARE BUILDING ACROSS THE BOARD. FOR EVERY QUARTER AGAIN THIS NEVER CAME AND WAS PRESENTED BEFORE. EVERY QUARTER TO TALK ABOUT THIS COMMITTEE ISN'T DOING WHAT WE THOUGHT IT SHOULD DO, IT'S NOT AND CAN'T BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING FOR IT TO DO IF WE ARE NOT GETTING THE FEEDBACK THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS ON THE PLAN. 
          >> HAVE A CHAIRMAN OF THE COMMITTEE. IT SEEMS BETTER USE 
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OF HIS INTELLIGENCE AND INTELLECT TO START BEING INVITED TO MEETINGS OR YOU CAN DERIVE YOUR PROJECTS AND ASK QUESTIONS. OR INSTEAD OF A MASSIVE DOCUMENT, JUST IN THOSE SECTORS AND EVERY PROJECT THAT COMES BEFORE US WE GO THROUGH THE CHECKLIST. HOW DOES THIS HELP? WHAT ARE YOU DOING FOR PUBLIC EDUCATION? IF THEY DON'T MEET HOWEVER MANY ARE THERE, AND IT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. NOT SAYING THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH WHAT THEY'RE DOING, IT'S JUST THE FOUR TIMES THEY PRESENTED IT HAS BEEN THE SAME STORY. I WOULD RATHER SEE RESULTS NOT MORE TALK AND MORE WHY ISN'T 
          IT WORKING? >> I WOULD LOVE TO WORK WITH YOU IN ANY OF THE COUNSELORS TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO BETTER IMPLEMENT SUSTAINABILITY PLANS MOVING FORWARD IF THERE'S A 
          BETTER PROCESS LET'S BUILD IT. >> I LOVE THAT YOU SAID 
          SUSTAINABILITY. >> SO MY ONLY COMMENT IS IT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS TREAT THIS LIKE WE TREAT EVERY OTHER ISSUE IN THE CITY. I AGREE I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT FOR CITIZENS TO HAVE INPUT IN WHAT'S HAPPENING TO THE CITY. 
          I THINK WE CREATED A VETERANS COMMISSION TO DO THAT. I THINK WE CREATED A SENIOR COMMISSION TO DO THAT. WE HAVE CREATED ISSUES THAT ARE OF VALUE TO OUR CONSTITUENTS IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          I THINK THIS IS OF VALUE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE SUSTAINABILITY AND WE DON'T HAVE A LONG-TERM PLAN FOR HOW WE'RE GOING TO PRESERVE GREEN SPACES, WORK WITH PARKS AND OTHER DEPARTMENTS TO INTEGRATE A COMPANY'S A PLAN WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO MOVE THIS FORWARD. SIMON 100% AGREEMENT WITH THE FACT THAT WE NEED TO CONTINUE THIS AND PERHAPS NOT A COMMITTEE STRUCTURE FORM, BUT A FORM THAT REPORTS BACK TO THIS COUNCIL SO WE CAN HAVE SOME REPRESENTATION. THAT'S A SEPARATE OR COMMISSION AND BODY THAT DOES THAT AND COMES BACK THEN THAT'S GREAT. BUT AFTER NOT LET THE ISSUE DIE BECAUSE IF WE DO IT WILL GO ANYWAY. THAT'S NOT TO SAY THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT IS NOT GOING TO CONSIDER THOSE THINGS WITH THE PEOPLE WE HAVE IN THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. I THINK THEY WERE VERY WELL TO CARE ABOUT THESE PROJECTS. PEOPLE IN THIS COUNCIL CARE TREMENDOUSLY ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS TO THE CITY. 
          SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING THIS TOGETHER. I DO THINK THAT MEANS WITH EVERYTHING IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE SOME DEGREE OF FUNDING. YOU CANNOT MAKE SOMETHING WORK THE MATTER WHAT IT IS IF YOU'RE NOT WILLING TO SUPPORT IT. WHETHER A SENIOR CENTER, WHETHER A PARKS DEPARTMENT, THERE HAS TO BE SOMETHING WE WORK ON WITH THIS. HOWEVER WE STRUCTURE IT. 
          >> I WANT TO APOLOGIZE A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE YOU KNOW I TRY TO BE HONEST AND SHARE MY CONCERNS, BUT I REALIZED MAYBE I'M COMING UP THINGS AND CRITICIZING INSTEAD OF SEEKING TO UNDERSTAND AND LEARN. SO I'M GOING TO REACH OUT TO COUNCILOR LOCKE AND GET QUESTIONS ANSWERED AND LEARN A LITTLE BIT MORE. YEAH, WEDNESDAY IS MY DAUGHTER'S BIRTHDAY SO I CAN GET THAT. SO I WILL SEEK OUT TO LEARN MORE AND THAT IS MY BOW TO YOUR. I TRY TO BE HONEST WITH MY OPINIONS, BUT I DON'T WANT TO COME OFF AS CRITICIZING AND SAY INSTEAD OF BEING LIKE HOW CAN I HELP. THAT'S WHAT I WILL DO. 
          OFFER HELP. >> APPRECIATE ALL THE HELP. 
          >> I LOVE YOU AS A COLLEAGUE AND A FRIEND AND ALL THIS IS 
          FOR THE BETTERMENT. >> A LOT OF GOOD POINTS. BUT YOU KNOW, THE CITY EMPLOYS , THEY'RE DOING A LOT OF GOOD THINGS, BUT THERE IS NOT ONE CENTRALIZED PLACE TO CAN COMMUNICATE TO THE PUBLIC AND RIGHT NOW THIS COMMISSION IS PROBABLY THE ONLY CONSOLIDATED CENTRALIZED VENUE TO COMMUNICATE SOME OF THE REALLY GOOD THINGS WITH ALL THE DIFFERENT CITY DEPARTMENTS FOR SUSTAINABILITY AND THEN REPORTING IT. WE CAN TWEAK THE GOVERNANCE STRUCTURE A LITTLE BIT AND HELP TO CLARIFY SOME ROLES, BUT IT IS THE ONE PLACE AND IT IS TOUGH TO GET TO, JUST LIKE THE VOLUNTEERS , YOU KNOW ALL THE TIME THEY PUT INTO IT. IT'S TOUGH FOR THE COUNSELORS TO GET ALL THE MEETINGS BUT THEY ARE VIDEOTAPED SO ALL THE COUNSELORS CAN WATCH ALL THE VIDEOTAPES TO GET CAUGHT UP AND IT GIVES THEM SOLID FEEDBACK. SO, FOR ALL THE GOOD HARD WORK THEY BEEN DOING ALONG WITH THE OTHER VOLUNTEERS. I THINK WE 
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READING ORDINANCE D -2726-24 ORDINANCE OF COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL APPROVIN AND ADOPTING THIRD AMENDMENT TO INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT . THIS RETURNS FROM THE LAND-USE AND SPECIAL STUDIES COMMITTEE. MICHAEL IF YOU WANT TO COME UP AND IT WILL TURN IT OVER TO COUNCILOR SNYDER AND COUNCILOR TAYLOR IF THEY WANT TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS. 
          >> THANK YOU TALKED ABOUT THIS AGREEMENT BEFORE THE SIMPLEST OF TERMS PARKS DEPARTMENT EXISTS BECAUSE OF THIS DOCUMENT. HAVE NEVER BEEN BASHFUL ABOUT SAYING IT NOR I WILL BE I THINK THIS DOCUMENT IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS CARMEL HAS BECAUSE IT KEEPS GOVERNMENT DIRECTLY OUT OF PARKS DEPARTMENT AND WE DO HAVE THE GREATEST PARKS DEPARTMENT IN THE WORLD. THIS DOCUMENT ALLOWS THEM TO FUNCTION AS A GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY JOINTLY BY THE CITY AND TOWNSHIP WHO APPOINTS A BOARD THAT GOVERNS THE PARK. THE AUTONOMY AND EFFICIENCY WITH WHICH THEY ARE ABLE TO RUN THIS GOLD-MEDAL WINNING OPERATION , I DO NOT SEE HOW CHANGING THAT COULD MAKE IT ANY BETTER AND YOU ARE ALREADY THE BEST. SO WHAT THIS DOCUMENT DOES IS IT EXTENDS THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT BY ANOTHER TWO YEARS. WE HAVE DISCUSSED THIS IN LAND-USE. ONE THING WE DISCUSSED WAS LONG-TERM FUNDING BECAUSE I'VE BEEN HEARING ABOUT THAT CONVERSATION FOR ALMOST 15 YEARS AND THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS THAT I HAVE THE PLEASURE OF SERVING WITH WANTED TO AND AGREE IT'S TIME TO START HAVING THE CONVERSATION AND THAT'S WHY WE WANTED IT TO BE IN LAND-USE AND BE HONEST AND CANDID ABOUT LONG-TERM FUNDING OF OUR PARKS. AND HOPEFULLY THIS TWO-YEAR EXTENSION , WE COME UP WITH A SOLUTION. 
          >> THANK YOU , FOR THAT SYNOPSIS. NOT SURE I CANNOT TOO MUCH MORE TO THAT. AS SUGGESTED OR STATED , THIS BASICALLY LOST THE PARK BOARD INTO CURRENT CONFIGURATION , APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR OR BY CLAY TOWNSHIP TRUSTEE, ONE BY THE SCHOOL BOARD. IF THE AMENDMENT IS NOT PASSED WHAT WOULD TRANSPIRE IS IT WAS TO HAVE THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT BUT BY ALL EFFECTIVE MEANS IT WOULD BE UNDER THE CONTROL OF THE CITY BECAUSE WE WOULD REVERT TO THE 2002 INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT STATES THE PARK POSITION WOULD BE WHICH IS 11 MEMBERS ONE BY THE SCHOOL BOARD AND 10 BASED ON EVERY 10% THAT IT IS A CITY OR TOWNSHIP IS PROVIDING FOR THE GENERAL SUPPORT. WITH THE ANNEXATION OF HOMEPLACE, EFFECTIVELY 10 OF 11 WOULD BE APPOINTED BY CARMEL. 
          THIS DOES NOT RESOLVE THE FUNDING CHALLENGE WE HAVE BUT IT DOES PROVIDE A TWO-YEAR WINDOW TO HOPEFULLY RESOLVE IT AND WORST-CASE SCENARIO IF WE CANNOT FIND A WAY FOR THE TOWNSHIP FOR A NEW FUNDING SOURCE TO BE PROVIDED IT GIVES THE OPPORTUNITY TO DEVELOP A TRANSITION PLAN FOR WHATEVER THE DEPARTMENT LOOKS LIKE IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE THE, THAT MEMBERSHIP AUTOMATICALLY REVERTS IN JANUARY WHEN THE BOND IS PAID OFF. THAT'S WHY TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE OF APPROVING THIS AMENDMENT IF YOU'RE GOING TO CONTINUE THE BOARD UNDER ITS CURRENT STRUCTURE. BECAUSE IN LESS THAN A MONTH IT WOULD BE NEXT TO IMPOSSIBLE TO PUT UP A SUCCESSFUL TRANSITION. THIS HAS ALSO BEEN REVIEWED THE TOWNSHIP'S LEGAL COUNCIL. AND THE TOWNSHIP IS SET UP PRESUMING THE PARK BOARD GIVES US A FAVORABLE VOTE TO ALSO ADOPT AT THEIR SCHEDULED MEETING ON DECEMBER 17. WITH THAT WOULD BE HAPPY TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS. 
          >> COUNCILOR SNYDER. >> THE INTENT OF THIS DOCUMENT WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY WRITTEN WAS WHEN OR WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY WRITTEN THE TOWNSHIP HAD MORE LAND AREA IN THE CITY. 
          SO IT SEEMED KIND OF FAIR. THE INTENT WAS TO MAKE IT FAIR. YOU SET FOR EVERY 10% IN THE GENERAL FUND, I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THERE'S A LOT MORE OF THE GENERAL FUND FUNDED AND WHY 
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THERE SHOULD BE TWO PLAYERS AT THE TABLE. 
          >> ABSOLUTELY, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP. AS THE AMENDMENT STATES. WITHIN THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS SINCE 2019 THE TOWNSHIP HAS CONTRIBUTED TO $37.5 MILLION TO THE CLAY TOWNSHIP IMPACT PROGRAM FOR REINVESTMENT IN THE PARK SYSTEM, DEVELOPMENT OF THE NEW BRIDGE CONNECTING US TO FISHERS AND HAZELWOOD PARK SO THE INTERLOCAL WAS WRITTEN WITH ALL THE FUNDING FOR PARKS AND IT WAS SELF GENERATED COMING TO THE GENERAL FUND EFFECTIVELY. BUT THAT'S NOT HOW WE OPERATE TODAY. OUR FUNDING HAS BEEN TWO COEQUAL PARTNERS WITH THE CITY PROVIDING THE OPERATING DOLLARS FOR THOSE ELEMENTS THAT CANNOT GENERATE REVENUE. GENERAL PARKS, NOT THE COMMUNITY CENTER OR RECREATION PROGRAMMING WHICH IS SELF-SUFFICIENT, BUT FOR EVERYTHING ELSE PARKS PROVIDES. IT HAS BEEN THE TOWNSHIP THAT IS THE PREDOMINANT FUNDING SOURCE FOR THE PARK SYSTEM AS IT STANDS TODAY WITH INFRASTRUCTURE. SO YOU ARE VERY CORRECT. IT WAS, THE REPRESENTATION ON THE BOARD WITH EVERY 10% OF THE GENERAL FUND WAS BASED ON A DIFFERENT MODEL THAT HAS BEEN IN PLACE FOR MUCH OF MY HISTORY. 
          >> COUNCILOR TAYLOR. >> I SERVED ON THAT PARKS BOARD FROM 2010 UNTIL THE END OF LAST YEAR. THE LONG-TERM FUNDING DISCUSSION HAS TAKEN PLACE AT EVERY JOINT PARKS BOARD, CITY COUNCIL AND CITY COUNCIL MEETING WE HAVE HAD, IT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED CONSISTENTLY WITH THE VARIOUS COMMITTEES AND ELECTED LEADERS AND IT WAS ONE OF THE GOALS THAT IF WE WERE GOING TO BE ELECTED TO CITY COUNCIL WE WOULD ONCE AND FOR ALL SOLVE THE PROBLEM. TO TALK FUNCTIONALLY ABOUT WHAT WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN IN ORDER FOR YOU , FOR THE INTERLOCAL TO GO AWAY AND FOR THE CHANGES THAT WOULD EVENTUALLY BE MADE, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT COMPLETELY DIFFERENT COMPENSATION STRUCTURES, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENT RETIREMENT , 457 B PLANS BUT IT IS THE SAME ADMINISTRATOR. TALKING ABOUT SIGNIFICANT CHANGES THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE MADE IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME FROM THE DEPARTMENT IF WE WERE NOT ABLE TO PASS THE THIRD AMENDMENT TO THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT THIS EVENING. IT HAS BEEN ON, THIS IS THE SIXTH READING. I KNOW YOU HAD FINANCIAL EXPERTS COMING IN TO DISCUSS THE LAND-USE MEETING WHICH I HAVE BEEN IN THOSE DISCUSSIONS MYSELF. THIS TWO YEARS WILL GIVE A WINDOW TO DO IT RIGHT AND TO DO IT THE RIGHT WAY IN A SUSTAINABLE FASHION THAT WILL PROTECT PARKS FROM NOW INTO THE FUTURE SO I IMPLORE MY FELLOW COUNSELORS TO VOTE TO APPROVE THIS THIRD AMENDMENT TO THE 
          INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR 
          COMMENTS? >> ONE PROCEDURE. THE ONLY CHANGE TO THIS GOING THROUGH IS BASED ON COMPOSITION OF THE 
          BOARD. >> THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S THE ONLY THING THIS AMENDMENT DOES BECAUSE WITHOUT WE GO TO 11 
          MEMBERS. >> JUST A QUICK COMMENT. I SERVED ON THE PARKS BOARD MANY YEARS AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT I WAS A HAIR FRUSTRATED THE OTHER NIGHT WHEN WE HAD ANOTHER JOINT MEETING WITH EVERYBODY THERE AND IT'S THE SAME FIVE CHOICES ON THE SCREEN AND HOW WE SOLVE THIS. WHAT IS IT GOING RECOMMEND A REFERENDUM OR I RECOMMEND SBT. IF THERE ARE ONLY FIVE CHOICES, BECAUSE I LEFT SAYING I HAVE TO GO THROUGH ANOTHER ONE OF THESE NEXT YEAR. 
          >> TO GIVE A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THE MEETING SO THE PUBLIC KNOWS, THE COUNCIL, THE PARKS, THE TOWNSHIP WERE THERE . 
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          >> THANK YOU, I APOLOGIZE IF YOU LEFT FRUSTRATED. 
          >> NOT YOU, THE SITUATION. >> I CAN RELATE. IT FEELS LIKE GROUNDHOG DAY TO ME IN MANY WAYS. ON NOVEMBER 14 WE HELD A JOINT MEETING BETWEEN THE PARK BOARD, CITY COUNCIL AND TOWNSHIP AND THE FIRST OBJECTIVE OF THE MEETING WAS TO REVIEW THE NEW FIVE-YEAR CONFERENCE A PARKS AND RECREATION MASTER PLAN COVERING 2020 THROUGH 2024. AND IDENTIFY FEEDBACK WE RECEIVED FROM THE PUBLIC AND STAKEHOLDERS AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS TO GUIDE THE MANAGEMENT OF PARKS RESUMING WE GET FUNDING FOR THE FIVE YEARS. THE BIG CHALLENGE , RIGHT NOW , YOU KNOW THE CITY AND/OR TOWNSHIP NEED, UNDER THE EXISTING MECHANISMS AVAILABLE, IT IS A COUPLE THINGS, REALLOCATION OF EXISTING DOLLARS. LOOKING AT A SPECIAL BENEFITS TAX USED TO FUND BONDS. BONDING THROUGH SOME OTHER CAPACITY AND WE ARE ADVOCATING THAT THE TOWNSHIP BE OR CONTINUE TO BE THE PRIMARY FUNDER OF CAPITAL PROJECTS TO TRULY HAVE THE JOINT DEPARTMENT INFRASTRUCTURE THAT ANYTHING HAS BEEN PARAMOUNT TO OUR SUCCESS OVER THE YEARS. THE REFERENDUM I WOULD LOVE TO RECOMMEND WE DO THAT TODAY. 
          BASED ON FEEDBACK WE HAVE I THINK WE COULD PASS , THE PROBLEM IS STATE STATUTE DOES NOT ALLOW IT. ONE OF THE THINGS TAT THIS TWO YEARS HOPEFULLY DOES , WE ARE WORKING WITH THE LEGISLATURE AND HAD A MEETING WITH JEFF THOMPSON A COUPLE WEEKS AGO . WE ARE MEETING WITH LOCAL DELEGATION . WE HAVE PEOPLE WORKING FOR US TO TALK TO ALL THE LEADERSHIP IN BOTH HOUSES TO TRY TO GET THAT ENABLING LEGISLATION SO THAT OPTION IS AVAILABLE. CANNOT GUARANTEE THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT THIS YEAR I DID GET SUPPORT FROM THE PARK BOARDS TO ACTIVELY PURSUE THAT SOMETHING. WHAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL FOR THE PARK SYSTEM IS ONE, FOR THE COUNCILMEMBER, THE TOWNSHIP BOARD MEMBERS, THE MAYOR AND THE TRUSTEE TO ALL ADVOCATE FOR THE LOCAL DELEGATION AND OTHER LEGISLATIONS THAT YOU KNOW THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE GOOD, NOT ONLY FOR CARMEL, BUT FOR COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE PARK SYSTEMS FACING THE SAME CHALLENGES , THE DIFFERENT BUSING CHALLENGE FOR HAVING THE FUNDING. I THINK IT TAKES A WORKING GROUP BETWEEN THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE TOWNSHIP BOARD TO IRON OUT THE DETAILS THAT, SAY WE GET LEGISLATION PASSED THIS YEAR IT MIGHT BE A COUPLE YEARS BEFORE THAT'S AVAILABLE TO USE, WE NEED DOLLARS BETWEEN THENCE WE NEED AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND TOWNSHIP ARE HOW WE BRIDGE THE GAP. MY RECOMMENDATION IS WE USE DEPARTMENT CAPACITY TO SPECIAL BENEFITS TAX OR THROUGH OTHER TAX MEANS THAT THE TOWNSHIP HAS TWO THAT POSSIBLE. BUT YOU KNOW I DON'T WANT TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION AGAIN NEXT YEAR OR IN TWO YEARS OR FIVE YEARS WE DEFINITELY NEED TO GET THIS RESOLVED BECAUSE WITHOUT THAT RESOLUTION WHAT WE FACE AS A PARKS SYSTEM THAT IS SUCCESSFUL IN OPERATIONS COVERING 84% OF THE OPERATING EXPENSES, IF WE DON'T TAKE CARE OF THE CAPITAL SIDE OF THE PARK SYSTEM, REVENUE-GENERATING FACILITIES WILL START WEARING OUT AND PEOPLE WON'T WANT TO SPEND DISCRETIONARY TIME OR INCOME WITH US SO THEN WE SEE COST INCREASING WITH THE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL OPERATING DOLLARS ACCELERATING. PEOPLE WILL BE DISAPPOINTED TO SEE THE INVESTMENTS MADE IN THE PARK SYSTEM START TO WORK OUT AND FRANKLY PARK SYSTEMS THAT WE SEE THROUGH THE COUNTRY THAT LOOK TIRED AND THAT SOMETHING A COMMUNITY , THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE BOARDS CAN WORK TO MAKE SURE THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN THERE IS THAT SOLUTION. WE KNOW WHAT IS AVAILABLE AND IT'S MAKING A COMMITMENT TO DO THAT FOR HOPEFULLY THE NEXT COUPLE YEARS UNTIL WE HAVE A NEW FUNDING SYSTEM. 
          >> I JUST WANT TO SAY THE, I TRUST COUNCILOR SNYDER, LAND 
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USE COMMITTEE FOR THE RECOMMENDATION, THE ONLY THING THAT WENT THROUGH MY MIND WAS IF WE MADE IT A SHORTER TIME FRAME IF THAT WOULD PUT PRESSURE ON THE POWERS TO BE LIKE YOU SAID, WE HAVE TO GET IN A ROOM AND MAKE A DECISION. 
          I AM GOING TO VOTE FOR THIS BECAUSE I TRUST THE WORK OF ALL THE PEOPLE, THE COUNCILORS, THE GANG WHO ARE WORKING ON THIS SO THAT'S GREAT, BUT THIS IS A PRIORITY AND WE HAVE TO GET 
          THIS FIGURED OUT. >> COUNCILOR SNYDER. 
          >> FOR ME THE ULTIMATE GOAL IS TO GET THE STATE TO CHANGE LEGISLATION. IN A MINUTE I WILL ASK YOU HOW EVERYBODY CAN HELP. 
          WHAT IS VERY IMPORTANT IS WHEN YOU TOUCH ON THIS, CHANGING THE LEGISLATION TO ALLOW A PARKS DEPARTMENT TO INTRODUCE ITS OWN TAX RATE , YES IT'S GREAT FOR US. IT GETS YOU OFF THE CITY BOOKS OFF THE TOWNSHIP BOOKS AND YOU OPERATE MUCH LIKE THE LIBRARY DOES WHICH IS PHENOMENAL. THROUGHOUT THE STATE WHERE YOU HAVE SMALL COMMUNITIES AND YOU HAVE ONE IN MIND WE ARE ON ONE SIDE OF THE , A BUSTLING METROPOLIS AND IT'S DOING WELL. I SEE THAT AS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR VARIOUS STATE ECONOMIC DIVISIONS TO ALSO SUPPORT THIS BECAUSE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE RIVER IS UNDERSERVED, UNDERDEVELOPED. 
          RUNNING WATER, THAT KIND OF THING. IF THEY HAVE THE ABILITY, NOW EVERY DIME THEY COLLECT THOSE TWO CRITICAL NEEDS TO PAY FOR POLICEMAN, TO THE FIREMEN, TO TRYING TO KEEP INFRASTRUCTURE SOMEWHAT ALIVE AND IT DOES NOT GIVE THE ABILITY FOR ANY REAL QUALITY OF LIFE IF THE STATE LEGISLATURE WILL ALLOW THIS, THEN THAT COMMUNITY COULD SEE IF THE PEOPLE WANT TO ADD A PENNY PER YEAR AND ACTUALLY BUILD A PLAYGROUND OR START DEVELOPING A RIVERFRONT TO BRING IN REVENUE TO THEIR COMMUNITY. I SEE THIS BENEFITING SMALL TOWNS A LOT MORE THAN US. SURE WE CAN KEEP ARGUING FOR YEARS AND BOND AND BORROW. I WANT TO STOP THAT, I WANT YOU TO SOLVE IT ON YOUR OWN THIS HELPS THE REST OF THE STATE SO I WILL ASK THE QUESTION, AS WE ALL COLLECTIVELY TALK ABOUT THIS, WHAT CAN WE DO TO HELP? BECAUSE LET'S GET THIS DONE. STATE LEGISLATURE SOMETIMES MOVES FAST ON SOME THINGS AND SOMETIMES THEY DON'T SO WHAT CAN WE DO TO ASSIST YOUR 
          EFFORTS? >> LOBBY, LOBBY, LOBBY, TALK TO YOUR LEGISLATORS AND COLLEAGUES WHETHER THEY REPRESENT US OR NOT. UNFORTUNATE WILL BE JOINING THE LEADER OF THE PARK ASSOCIATION SO I CAN WORK WITH MY COLLEAGUES AROUND THE STATE TO ADVOCATE FOR BETTER FUNDING MECHANISMS FOR PARKS BUT IT'S GOING TO TAKE A TEAM EFFORT. THE MORE THE LEGISLATURE UNDERSTANDS CHALLENGES, PART OF THE CONVERSATION I HAD WITH CHAIRMAN THOMPSON WAS AND THIS BODY KNOWS WELL WITH THE LEASE RENTAL BOND THAT YOU PASSED. HAVE INCENTIVIZED AND THE ONLY MECHANISM A LOT OF MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT HAS TO PROVIDE THE INFRASTRUCTURE, WHETHER STREETS ARE PARKS OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE IS THROUGH BOND AND BORROWING. WHEN YOU LISTEN TO DELIBERATION FROM THE STATE HOUSE , THEY DON'T WANT ALL OF THAT BONDING , BUT THE RULES THEY MAKE US PLAY BY REQUIRE THAT. I THINK THERE IS RECOGNITION , AT LEAST THAT IS WHAT I TOOK AWAY FROM MY CONVERSATION WITH CHAIRMAN THOMPSON. THERE IS RECOGNITION THAT THOSE RULES ARE NOT CREATING THE RESULTS THEY ARE LOOKING FOR AND THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE FLEXIBILITY FOR MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENTS. I THINK IT IS HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH PEOPLE GET TO PASS LEGISLATION WHETHER THROUGH STANDALONE BILLS OR MORE REALISTICALLY WITH SOME OMNIBUS LEGISLATION STATE BUDGET TICKET ACROSS THE FINISH LINE. I THINK THAT'S WHAT IT WILL TAKE. DEFINITELY PLEASE, 
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FIRE AND STREETS ARE CRITICAL FOR EVERY COMMUNITY. AS YOU TOUCH UPON QUALITY OF LIFE, YOU KNOW THE PREVIOUS MAYOR WOULD TALK ABOUT WE DON'T HAVE OCEANS AND MOUNTAINS, BUT IT IS IMPORTANT FOR CARMEL AND ALSO IT'S IMPORTANT FOR A CRAWFORD AND UNIONVILLE AND WHATEVER THEY MAY BE THROUGHOUT THE STATE TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE PARK INFRASTRUCTURE, TO PROVIDE QUALITY OF LIFE BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T HAVE PARKS WITH PROGRAMS AND SERVICES THAT WE ARE FORTUNATE TO PROVIDE HERE IN CARMEL, PEOPLE WILL NOT WANT TO LIVE THERE OR MOVE THEIR IN ANY GREAT NUMBERS. THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE DECLINING POPULATION OUTSIDE THE METRO AREA BECAUSE INFRASTRUCTURE IS NOT THERE OR IT IS DETERIORATING SO IT IS CRITICAL IF WE HAVE ECONOMIC VITALITY THROUGHOUT THE STATE, WE NEED TO HAVE PROPER FUNDING THAT IS NOT IS SIPHONED AWAY FROM PARKS WHICH IS SO EASY TO DO AND WHY MANY COMMUNITIES ARE IN THE STATE THAT THEY ARE WITH 
          THEIR PARK SYSTEM. >> WHAT ARE SOME OF THE GROUPS? WE TALKED THROUGH A CLIMATE ACTION COMMITTEE BUT THERE ARE COMMITTEES ACROSS THE STATE. INITIATIVES AND CONVERSATIONS. 
          EVEN FOR US, IF WE CANNOT FUND THE GREATEST PARKS DEPARTMENT IN THE UNITED STATES THEN WE ARE SAYING WE DON'T CARE ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT. ARE THERE OTHER GROUPS WITHIN STATE GOVERNMENT, OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT WOULD JUMP ON THIS? 
          >> I WOULD LIKE TO THINK SO. I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING AIM COULD BE BEHIND OR THE VARIOUS ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP GROUPS COULD GET BEHIND BECAUSE YOU CANNOT CONSERVE GREEN SPACE AND PUBLIC LAND WITHOUT FUNDING TO DO SO, YOU MENTIONED ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN THIS IS A CRITICAL PART OF THE STATE DEVELOPMENT PLAN. IS WHY WE WERE SUCCESSFUL IN RECEIVING A READY GRANT FROM THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION BECAUSE THEY RECOGNIZE QUALITY OF LIFE IS WHAT IT IS ABOUT IN CRITICAL TO FUTURE SUCCESS. YES I WOULD LIKE TO THINK THERE'S MORE GROUPS AND ORGANIZATION WE CAN GET AS ADVOCATES THAN LESS. 
          >> COUNCILOR TAYLOR. >> A LOT OF WHAT I WAS GOING TO COMMENT HAS BEEN COMMENTED. SOME OF YOU DO COME UP WITH NEW STRATEGIES WHICH ONE OF WHICH IS THE REFERENDUM PIECE THAT PARKS AS THEIR OWN MUNICIPAL CORPORATIONS ARE NOT ALLOWED OR CITIES FOR THAT MATTER IF IT WAS CITY ARE ALLOWED TO GO TO REFERENDUM SIMPLY RAISE A TAX FOR OPERATIONS AND FUNDING WITHOUT A DEBT SERVICE ATTACHED TO ITS. A LEVY ATTACHED TO IT. 
          I DID SEND EMAIL TO STATE SEN. REPRESENTATIVE AND WILL CONTINUALLY WORK WITH THEM AND GET THOSE MEETINGS ON THE CALENDAR. WE WERE ABLE TO FIND AND HIRE A LOBBYIST? 
          >> YES THE PARK BOARD DID BRING A LOBBYIST UNDER CONTRACT. 
          >> GREAT, THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? LOOKING FOR A MOTION. DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE. 
          [12.b. Resolution CC-11-18-24-06; A Confirmatory Resolution Designating an Economic Revitalization Area and Approving Tax Abatement for Qualifying Certain Personal Property – Alliance for Cooperative Energy Services Power Marketing, LLC; Sponsor(s): Councilor(s) Joshi and Worrell. Sent to the Finance, Utilities and Rules Committee (12/2/24 Meeting Date).]
APPROVED 9-0. MOVING ON TO THE NEXT ITEM RESOLUTION CC-11-18-24-06 CONFIRMATORY RESOLUTION DESIGNATING ECONOMIC REVITALIZATION AND APPROVING TAX ABATEMENT FOR QUALIFYING CERTAIN PERSONAL PROPERTY ALLIANCE FOR COOPERATIVE ENERGY SERVICES POWER MARKETING. THIS HAS RETURNED FROM THE FINANCE 
          UTILITY AND RULES COMMITTEE. >> THIS DOES COME BACK WITH POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION 4-0. WE HAVE HAD TWO MEETINGS ON THIS. 
          APPRECIATE THE TEAM HERE , TO COME TO THE MEETINGS. DID I SAY THAT RIGHT? OKAY, TO COME TO THE MEETINGS, PARTICIPATE. 
          ANSWER EVERY QUESTION. THAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT, THEY 
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UNDERSTAND THEY HAVE SIGNED THE AND WE WILL BE REVIEWING ANNUALLY. SO IT COMES BACK WITH POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION AND I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION WE APPROVE THAT TONIGHT. 
          >> SECOND >> ANY DISCUSSION ? 
          >> MOVING ON 
          [12.c. Fourth Reading of Ordinance D-2740-24; An Ordinance of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Amending Chapter 2, Article 1, Sections 2-1, 2-3, 2-6, 2-10, 2-12, 2- 13 and 2-14 of the Carmel City Code; Sponsor(s): Councilor(s) Green and Aasen. Sent to the Finance, Utilities and Rules Committee (12/2/24 Meeting Date).]
ORDINANCE OF COUNTY COUNSEL CITY OF CARMEL AMENDING CHAPTER 2 ARTICLE 1 FOLLOWING SECTIONS OF THE CARMEL CITY CODE . THIS REMAINS IN THE FINANCE UTILITY RULES COMMITTEE. MOVING ON 12 D 
          [12.d. Fourth Reading of Ordinance D-2741-24; An Ordinance of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Amending Chapter 2, Article 6, Sections 2-301, 2-302 and 2-303, of the Carmel City Code; Sponsor(s): Councilor(s) Green and Aasen. Sent to the Finance, Utilities and Rules Committee (12/2/24 Meeting Date).]
FOR THREADING ORDINANCE 2741-24 ORDINANCE OF COUNTY COUNSEL AMENDING CHAPTER 2 ARTICLE 6 OF THE CARMEL CITY CODE SPONSORS COUNSELORS GREEN AND COUNCILOR AASEN IN THE FINANCE UTILITY 
          [12.e. Petition for Alley/Street Vacation or Order to Remove Obstructions; 40 East Main Street, Carmel, IN 46032; Carmel Library Associates, LLC, Property Owner. Remains in Land Use and Special Studies Committee.]
RULES COMMITTEE. PETITION FOR ALLEY STREET VACATION ON ORDER TO REMOVE OBSTRUCTIONS 40 EAST 40 EAST MAIN ST. CARMEL 46032 CARMEL LIBRARY ASSOCIATES REMAINS IN LAND-USE AND SPECIAL 
          [13.a. First Reading of Ordinance D-2746-24; An Ordinance of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Authorizing and Approving an Appropriation of Funds from the Marketing and Community Relations Budget (#1203) to Line Item 4359000 - Special Projects; Sponsor(s): Councilor(s) Green and Taylor.]
STUDIES COMMITTEE. MOVING ON ITEM 13 ON THE AGENDA PUBLIC HEARINGS FIRST READING ORDINANCE 2746-24. ORDINANCE OF COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL AUTHORIZING AND APPROVING APPROPRIATION OF FUNDS FROM THE MARKETING OF RELATIONS BUDGET 1203 TO LINE ITEM 435-9000, SPECIAL PROJECT SPONSOR PRESIDENT GREEN AND TAYLOR. MOTION TO INTRODUCE? ALL RIGHT. COUNCILOR TAYLOR CAN YOU READ THE SYNOPSIS? 
          >> APPROPRIATE FUNDS FOR PRIME LIFE ENRICHMENT CENTER IN CARMEL CLAY HISTORICAL SOCIETY OPERATION EXPENSES. 
          >> CAN YOU GIVE US BACKGROUND? AND EXPLAIN PLEASE. 
          >> THANK YOU, TECHNICALLY THERE ARE TWO ITEMS ON THE AGENDA THAT HELP TO MAKE UP THIS TRANSFER. I THINK THE MAYOR AND SOME COUNSELORS HAD TALKED WITH PRIME LIFE AND THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY AND WANTED TO MOVE AROUND SOME AVAILABLE FUNDING TO PROVIDE THEM BOTH WITH $100,000 GRANT THIS YEAR. SO THE TRANSFERS THE RESOLUTION AND ORDINANCE TOGETHER BASICALLY TAKE 200,000 OF AVAILABLE FUNDING FROM THE FULL-TIME SALARY LINE AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WHERE THEY WERE ON TRACK AT ONE POINT , I THINK TO SEND BACK ALMOST 3 MILLION TO THE GENERAL FUND THIS YEAR TAKING 200,000 THERE AND MOVING OVER AND THEN THIS MOVES DOWN INTO THE OPERATING BUDGET SO THEY CAN PROVIDE THE $100,000 GRANTS. AS A REMINDER AND MAYBE YOU DID NOT CATCH IT. IN THE BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR THERE IS 50,000 FOR BOTH OF THESE ENTITIES BUILT INTO THEIR 
          BUDGET. >> ANY REFERENCING THE 
          RESOLUTION ON 14 B? >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR ZACH? 
          >> CLARIFICATION QUESTION, DID YOU SAY THEY HAD $50,000 FOR EACH OF THOSE IN EACH OF THE BUDGETS FOR NEXT YEAR? OKAY WANTED TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND. 
          >> I THINK THERE WERE OTHER AGREEMENTS BETWEEN CITY AND CARMEL CLAY HISTORICAL SOCIETY IN PLACE TODAY THIS IS TOTALLY SEPARATE FROM THAT. THIS IS FOR ARCHIVE PURPOSES. THIS IS FOR 
          NEW FUNDING. >> COUNCILOR WORELL. 
          >> SEVERAL QUESTIONS. FIRST AS FAR AS NEXT YEAR FOR BOTH ENTITIES CURRENTLY MY UNDERSTANDING IS HISTORICAL SOCIETY RECEIVES 30,000 FOR THE ARCHIVAL SERVICES. ARE YOU SAYING NEXT YEAR IT IS 50, PLUS 30? 
          >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> WHAT IS THE 100 AND THE 50 
          EXACTLY FOR IT? >> I'M NOT SURE I WAS TOLD 
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EXACTLY WHAT IT IS FOR. I DON'T MEAN TO BE QUITE WHEN I SAY IT. I THINK THERE IS OPPORTUNITY FOR THE ORGANIZATIONS AND THE CITY TO TALK ABOUT HOW WE WANT THOSE DOLLARS PRIORITIZED. I THINK THERE MIGHT BE ONGOING CONVERSATION ABOUT WHETHER THESE ARE MORE OPERATING DOLLARS OR ENDOWMENT EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT THAT BIG OF AN 
          AMOUNT. >> I WILL ANSWER MY OWN QUESTION. I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT. WE ALL RAN ON A SPIRIT OF TRANSPARENCY AND TO THROW 100,000 HERE AND 100,000 THERE AND 50,000 HERE, I WANT TO HAVE A CONVERSATION. FIRST I WOULD SAY I DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT UNTIL IT SHOWS UP ON THE AGENDA. NUMBER TWO I THINK IT IS BAD FORM AND I'M NOT SURE WHO TO ADDRESS TO. FROM HERE ON OUT TO ASK ME TO VOTE ON TWO, $100,000 UNDISCUSSED, UNPLANNED FOR, NOT BUDGETED IN ONE RESOLUTION , ONE ORDINANCE IS , WILL BE A LITTLE DRAMATIC, A SIN. FRANKLY IF YOU'RE GOING TO VOTE ON $100,000 TO THE PRIME LIFE INSTEAD OF BEING FOR MISCELLANEOUS FINANCE I WOULD RATHER BE WE SUPPORT HISTORICAL SOCIETY MUSEUM AND PRIME LIFE ENRICHMENT PLEASE DO NOT SEND US THIS KIND OF ORDINANCE AGAIN WHERE WE CANNOT GIVE IT ITS DUE DISCUSSION AND WHAT IT IS DESERVED TO DISCUSS. SO MY UNDERSTANDING WHEN I CALLED TO FIND OUT WHAT WAS DISCUSSED AT THE RIBBON-CUTTING THAT I WENT TO AT THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY, THEY WERE LOOKING FOR A WAY TO OFFER THE HISTORICAL MUSEUM AND WE HAVE TO GIVE IT CREDIT FOR COUNCILOR SNYDER . THAN TO OFFER FREE TO THE RESIDENTS AND THEY FELT AND I DON'T KNOW IT IS EXACTLY 100,000 AT THIS 100,000 WOULD ALLOW THEM TO OFFER FREE ENTRY. I USED IT WITH MY FAMILY WHEN THEY WERE IN TOWN. SO THE FACT , THEN 50,000 NEXT YEAR SOUNDS LIKE A ROUND NUMBER I WANT TO BE SURE WE THINK THAT WILL DO THE JOB. 
          BECAUSE I THINK THERE IS VALUE TO NOT CHARGING RESIDENTS FOR ENTRY INTO A BUILDING THAT USE TAX DOLLARS TO BE BUILT , THAT WOULD BE MY ASSESSMENT. SO THEN ON THE PRIME LIFE ENRICHMENT. 
          WHAT THAT IS FOR? I DON'T MEAN TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT. I DON'T EITHER BUT I KNOW WE GAVE THEM 40 LAST YEAR, I BELIEVE. I COULD BE WRONG ON THE NUMBER, I LOOKED IT UP AND I THOUGHT IT WAS 40 LAST YEAR. IF THERE IS NOT A PLAN FOR ONGOING HOW TO UTILIZE THE FUNDS , I SUPPORT SENIOR SERVICES AND PRIME LIFE ENRICHMENT PLEASE DO NOT MISUNDERSTAND. WHAT HAPPENS NEXT YEAR? 40 LAST YEAR, 100 THIS YEAR, WHAT IS IT NEXT YEAR? IF YOU SAY YOU GIVE THEM 
          50 I DO NOT SEE A TREND. >> I BELIEVE THE REQUEST FROM BOTH WAS 150,000. I BELIEVE THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ONGOING 150,000 A YEAR AND A COMPROMISE WAS 100,000 UP FRONT, 50,000 ONGOING. AND AGAIN I BELIEVE THE ORIGINAL REQUEST WAS MORE OF THE ENDOWMENT TYPE SITUATION. 
          >> OKAY ALL RIGHT. MY LAST POINT I AM GOING TO MAKE IS IN THE SPIRIT OF WHO MIGHT BE READING THIS IN THE CURRENT OR HEARING ABOUT THIS IS WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF PUBLIC SAFETY, THE IMPORTANCE OF TAKING MONEY FROM SOMETHING OVER HERE SO WE HAVE MORE MONEY FOR PUBLIC SAFETY. I FIND IT A LITTLE IRONIC THAT WE OVER BUDGETED BY $3 MILLION? AND I WAS PART OF THE BUDGET SO WE DID A TERRIBLE 
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JOB WITH THE PUBLIC WILL HEAR THAT WE ARE TAKING $200,000 FROM THE BELOVED POLICE DEPARTMENT AND GIVING IT TO TWO OTHER ENTITIES. I NEED A REALLY GOOD EXPLANATION ON THAT , THAT 
          I WANT TO BE ON CAMERA. >> I CANNOT SPEAK TO THE BUDGETING HABITS OF THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION OF WHAT WAS PASSED PREVIOUS. THERE WAS A BIT OF OVER BUDGETING. WE HAVE BEEN UNDERSTAFFED, THIS YEAR WE HAVE NOT CAUGHT UP TO VACANCY SO FRANKLY WE ARE UNDER WHAT WE WOULD PROJECT TO SPEND FULL YEAR WHICH IS WHAT WE BUDGET FOR. FOR THE MAJORITY OF THIS YEAR WE WERE UNDERSTAFFED BY 12 POSITIONS SO THAT IS A REASON WHY THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF SURPLUS THERE. 
          >> THE ERNIE CONTINUES BECAUSE COUNSELOR GREEN WAS FIGHTING FOR THE DOLLARS BECAUSE WE WERE UNDERSTAFFED. THAT'S ALL I 
          HAVE. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR 
          COMMENTS? COUNCILOR SNYDER. >> TO SECOND COUNCILOR WORELL I CLEARLY LOVE BOTH OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS. I WAS ONE OF THE ONES THAT FACILITATED ASKING FOR MONEY FOR THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY. I WOULD AGREE HAVING THEM IN INDEPENDENT ORDINANCES WITH BE BETTER. I WANT TO MAKE CLEAR, YOU MENTIONED GRANTS SO THIS IS NOT A TYPICAL GRANT. THERE IS NO DELIVERABLE. IS PUTTING TOGETHER A HUGE PROPOSAL ASKING FOR THREE YEARS OF FUNDING WHILE SOME OF THE MONEY THEY HAVE RAISED WITH COMMITMENTS THEY HAVE THEY START CYCLING IN AND PART OF THAT IS IN THE ABSENCE OF ALL THINGS CARMEL WE LACK A WELCOME CENTER. 
          >> WHERE WE ARE IDENTIFYING THOSE DOLLARS AND IN MY MIND I WAS ORIGINALLY SOLVING FOR PROBABLY 6.5 MILLION AT YEAR END. WE HAVE THE 3.6 MILLION OF, FOR THE ROAD FUNDING THAT YOU MENTIONED. EARLIER DOING THE BUDGET WORKSHOP I MENTIONED I THOUGHT WE UNDERFUNDED OUR HEALTH INSURANCE BY ONE 2 MILLION THIS YEAR. I AM GETTING MORE COMFORTABLE AROUND THE $1 MILLION SHORTFALL AND THEN LASTLY, KIND OF THROUGH OUR DISCUSSION , FINDING OTHER DOLLARS THAT WE CAN USE FOR THE FIBER PROJECTS. SO IT WOULD NOT HAVE TO BE COMPLETELY OR PARTIALLY PAID FOR OUT OF THE BOND. I WAS GETTING TO THE TOTAL OF ABOUT 6.6 MILLION. THE LAST REPORT THAT I RAN LAST WEEK SHOWS THAT WE WERE CURRENTLY UNDER SPENDING GENERAL FUND APPROPRIATION BY $19 MILLION AS OF LAST WEEK. WE STILL HAD THREE PAYCHECKS TO PAY FOR CITY EMPLOYEES AND THAT WOULD BE A LARGE EXPENSE THAT IS NOT COME OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND YET, BUT AT THIS POINT I DO NOT SEE ANY REASON WHY WE WILL NOT HIT THE $6 MILLION NUMBER. IN THE PAST, THERE HAS NOT BEEN A REAL SOLID ENCUMBRANCE POLICY AND THAT IS SOMETHING I'M STRENGTHENING TO MAKE SURE, IT'S ONE THING TO LEAVE DOLLARS ENCUMBERED OR ROLLUP A PURCHASE ORDER AT THE END OF THE YEAR , WHENEVER WORK IS COMPLETED WE DON'T HAVE THE INVOICE OR COUNCIL GAVE A DEPARTMENT ONE TIME MONEY FOR A 
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ONE-TIME PROJECT AND IT HAS NOT BEEN EXECUTED. I THINK THERE HAS BEEN A PAST PRACTICE OF SOME DEPARTMENTS TO ENCUMBER AS MUCH AS 1/3 OF THE BUDGET TO MAKE THE NEXT YEAR EASIER AND THAT'S GOING TO STOP. LAST YEAR WE UNDER SPENT BY $6 MILLION, ALL GENERAL FUND APPROPRIATION. I WOULD SAY WILL BE AT LEAST THAT IF NOT HIGHER AT THE END OF THIS YEAR. 
          >> IT WOULD PROBABLY BE GOOD, FOR SOME REASON I THOUGHT IT WOULD HAPPEN AT THIS WERE LAST COUNCIL MEETING. PRESENTATION ON WHAT YOU WENT THROUGH. BECAUSE THERE WAS A BREAKDOWN OF HOW WE WILL COME OUT 6.5 MILLION AND I THOUGHT I FORWARDED AN EMAIL MAYBE TWO WEEKS AGO FROM YOU OR I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION YOU WOULD CLARIFY AND THEN SEND IT OUT TO EVERYBODY TO THE COUNCIL ON GAINING 6.5 MILLION AND HERE'S HOW THE MONEY GOES. FIBER OPTICS AND EVERYTHING. 
          >> ONE OTHER THING, I WON'T SAY IT THROWS A WRENCH INTO IT, BECAUSE THAT'S NEGATIVE, BUT THE POSITIVE IS THERE HAS BEEN AND I WILL NOT MENTION NAMES BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE HOW PUBLIC THIS IS. WE HAVE HAD AT LEAST ONE LEGISLATOR SAY HE WILL GO TO THAT AND AMEND THE LAW SO OUR EXCISE TAX ANSWER TAX WOULD GO INTO EFFECT ON JULY 1 SO THAT'S THE CASE WE WOULD PICK UP 1.8 OF THAT 6 MILLION. 
          >> OR TRY TO BRING PAVING LEVELS TO A MORE APPROPRIATE 
          AMOUNT. SO WITH THAT AND . >> WE HAVE TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT. WE CAN EITHER SEND TO FINANCE COMMITTEE OR KEEP IT WITH US AND THEN GET A PRESENTATION . 
          >> THE SENTIMENT IS NOBODY OPPOSES. MY PERSONAL SENTIMENT IS I DON'T WE GET THE TRANSFER, WE GET ENCUMBERED 100,000 AT THE END OF THE YEAR WITH YEAR END DEADLINES. 
          >> JUST A QUESTION FROM A PROCEDURAL STANDPOINT. 
          WOULD IT BE A POSSIBILITY TO SPLIT THAT ORDNANCE OR DOES HA HAVE TO THEN BE PUBLICLY NOTICED THEN HAVE TO GO? I'M JUST ASKING. 
          THEN THAT'S FINE. I'M NOT GOING TO ADVOCATE FOR THAT. I JUST WANTED THE UNDERSTAND IT. THANK YOU. 
          >> I THINK THE REASON IT'S IN ONE ORDNANCE AND WE WERE ASKED TO SPONSOR THIS BY THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH IS BECAUSE OF THE REQUIREMENT OF NOTICING IT'S COMING FROM THE SAME ACCOUNT. IT'S GOING INTO THE SAME FUND. 
          THE PUBLIC HEARINGS, SO THIS WOULD REQUIRE TWO SEPARATE NOTICES THE CITY WOULD HAVE TO PAY FOR. REQUIRE TWO SEPARATE PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR FUNDS THAT ARE COMING FROM ONE FUND TO ANOTHER. THAT'S WHY THEY'RE INCLUDED IN ONE APPROPRIATION ORDNANCE. 
          BECAUSE WE WERE ONLY MAKING ONE APPROPRIATION. 
          FROM ONE FUND TO ANOTHER. THAT'S WHY IT'S AN APPROPRIATION ORDNANCE. 
          I THINK IT'S WHY IT'S DONE THAT WAY. 
          >> I THINK AS, I DON'T KNOW HOW THE REST OF MY COLLEAGUES AGREE, BUT AS POLICY, WHEN YOU'RE VOTING ON $200,000, I THINK IN THE SPIRIT OF TRANSPARENCY, IT SHOULD BE DONE AS SEPARATE VOTES WHERE WE'RE NOT TIEING ONE ORGANIZATION TO THE OTHER. 
          >> IS THAT HOW YOU GUYS DO THE 
          ARTS FUNDING? >> I DON'T KNOW. 
          IF I WERE TO MAKE A MOTION OR AMENDMENT AND SAID I MOVE TO GIVE THE HISTORY MUSEUM $105. 
          $100,005. COULD I DO THAT AND IT HAS TO BE VOTED ON SEPARATELY. I'M JUST ASK FROM A PROCESS. 
          I DIDN'T AMBUSH ANYBODY. I SENT TO GREEN EARLIER TODAY 
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AND I THINK -- I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAD A CHANCE TO CHECK. 
          >> GOOD EVENING. SAMANTHA KARN. 
          I'LL TAKE THE FALL FOR HOW THIS WAS DRAFTED. 
          MY OFFICE DRAFTED IT AND WE CAN CERTAINLY SEPARATE IT GOING FORWARD SO EACH ORGANIZATION IS SEPARATED OUT AND YOU CAN VOTE ON EACH ONE OF THOSE. 
          IF YOU WERE TO CHANGE THE AMOUNT TONIGHT, WE WOULD HAVE TO AMEND THE CURRENT ORDNANCE. 
          I SUSPECT AT THAT POINT WE WOULD SUSPEND THE RULES TO VOTE ON 
          THAT. >> I'M NOT GOING TO DO THAT, BUT I WANTED TO KNOW. SO IT COULD BE DONE. 
          BUT THANK YOU. 
          >> COUNSELOR. 
          >> IF WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THIS POSITION ON THIS SPECIFIC ORDNANCE, I THINK WE ALSO NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT HOW WE HANDLE THE ARTS GRANTS ORDNANCES BECAUSE I BELIEVE IT'S DONE IN ONE ORDNANCE AND WE SHOULD LOOK AT THOSE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS AS WELL THAT WE PROVIDE THIS TYPE OF FUNDING FOR. 
          >> HANG ON. THIS IS A TRANSFER. 
          SO THIS WAS NOT BUDGETED. THIS IS MOVING MONEY AROUND. 
          I VIEW THIS VERY DIFFERENTLY THAN WHAT YOU'RE SPEAKING. 
          >> YEAH, APPROPRIATION ORDNANCE. 
          >> COUNSELOR SCHNEIDER. 
          >> JUST TO CLARIFY THIS. THE MONEY FOR VARIOUS ARTS GOES, IS SPENT BY A COMMITTEE THOUGH, RIGHT? COMMISSION. 
          NOT A DEPARTMENT. BUT IN THIS, I THINK THE DIFFERENCE IS IT'S NOT, IT'S DIRECTLY IN THEORY OR IT'S GOING INTO A DEPARTMENT WITH A DEPARTMENT. I SEE BOTH OF YOUR POINTS OF VIEW. ON THIS ONE, I THINK IT IS, FOR ME, IT'S MORE JUST ABOUT BEING AT THE END OF THE YEAR IN LARGE SUMS OF MONEY. OF COURSE, I SUPPORT BOTH OF THEM. BUT IF, FOR SOME REASON, WE HAD ONE THAT HALF OF US DIDN'T AGREE WITH, I WOULDN'T KNOW HOW TO HANDLE. WHAT IF WE WERE HERE AND HALF OF US DIDN'T LIKE THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY. 
          THEN IT KILLS THEMTHEM BECAUSE THERE'S NO TIME. 
          >> YOU DO THROUGH AMENDMENT. 
          >> WELL THEN WHY COULDN'T WE -- 
          >> YEAH, SO -- 
          >> I THINK WHAT SAMANTHA SAID WAS WE'D HAVE TO HAVE PROBABLY 
          RENOTICE EVERYTHING. >> JUST GOING THE CLARIFY THIS QUESTION HERE BECAUSE ONCE WE FIND OUT WHAT THAT REAL NUMBER IS, FRANKLY, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I THINK THERE'S MORE DISCUSSION THAT COULD BE HAD. 
          THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY HAS ASKED FOR $150,000 IN '25, '26, AND '27. 
          RUNNING A MASSIVE SURPLUS, MAYBE IT'S WORTH NOT DOING IT FOR THREE÷÷ YEARS IN A ROW AND FIGURING OUT A WAY TO JUST TAKE CARE OF IT AND THEN WE MOVE ON TO OTHER THINGS. I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S WHAT I WOULD ADVOCATE FOR, THAT'S THE RIGHT WAY TO DO IT. JUST THAT'S ONE REASON WHY I'D LIKE TO WAIT UNTIL WE HAVE YOUR REAL DATA IN FRONT OF US. 
          THAT'S IT. 
          >> ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WE NEED TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING? ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, I'LL START THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 8:08. 
          IF ANYONE WANTS TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS, PLEASE COME UP TO THE PODIUM. ALL RIGHT. 
          NOT SEEING ANYBODY MAKING ANY MOVEMENT TO THE PODIUM. 
          CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 8:09. 
          WE CAN EITHER HAVE A MOTION SUSPEND THE RULES OR PUT IT IN THE FINANCE COMMITTEE AND THEN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS. 
          SO COUNSELOR -- 
          >> YOU COULD ENCUMBER THE FUNDS AND WE'RE NOT IN A RUSH. 
          ONCE THEY GET TRANSFERRED, I CAN ENCUMBER THE FUNDS OVER AT MACK. MY -- 
          >> OKAY, SO -- 
          >> MY YEAR END DEADLINES IN TERMS OF WHEN WE CAN CUT CHECKS THEN GET IT IN FRONT OF COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL. 
          THAT'S WHERE WE GET A LITTLE NERVOUS. 
          >> SO 13A, WE COULD HOLD OFF BUT 14B IS MORE TIME SENSITIVE. YOU NEED US TO TRANSFER THE MONEY LATER ON IN THIS AGENDA. 
          >> I MEAN, WE STILL HAVE TIME WITH THE DECEMBER 16TH COUNCIL MEETING TO ACHIEVE ALL THAT. 
          IF COUNCIL WANTS TO WAIT UNTIL I BRING HIM MORE INFORMATION I THINK TO COUNSELOR SCHNEIDER'S POINT. WE'RE KIND OF SAYING DO WE WANT TO TRANSFER THIS $200,000 BEFORE WE HAVE THE FULL PICTURE AND I THINK THE DECEMBER 16TH MEETING GIVES 
          US PLENTY OF TIME. >> IS THIS SOMETHING WHERE WE NEED TO SEND IT THE FINANCE AND MEET OR HOLD UNTIL THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING AND GET OUR QUESTIONED ANSWERED? 
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WHAT DO YOU THINK? I DON'T KNOW. 
          >> ALL MY DATA POINTS ARE GOING TO COME AT THE NEXT MEETING UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING GROSSLY, YOU KNOW, OUT OF WHACK. 
          I DON'T SEE ANY ISSUE. 
          >> ALL RIGHT. I'LL JUST TABLE IT. 
          WE HAD THE PUBLIC HEARING. SO WE'LL BRING IT UP AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING AND HAVE THE DISCUSSION AT THAT TIME. 
          [13.b. First Reading of Ordinance D-2749-24; An Ordinance of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Authorizing and Approving an Appropriation of Unexpected Funds from the Operating Balance of the Local Road and Street Fund (202); Sponsor(s): Councilor(s) Ayers, Green and Worrell.]
SO, ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. 
          MOVING ON TO 13B. FIRST READING OF -- AUTHORIZING APPROVING APPROPRIATION OF UNEXPECTED FUNDS OF LOCAL ROAD AND STREET FUND. 
          202 ERROR, GREEN AND WOR RELL. COULD I GET A MOTION TO INTRODUCE? 
          >> MOVE TO INTRODUCE. ALL RIGHT, COULD YOU READ THE SYNOPSIS, PLEASE? 
          >> THIS ORDNANCE PROEP RATES -- FOR SIDEWALKS AND DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS, PROJECT IN 
          AMEN, NEW YORK NEIGHBORHOOD. >> 
          ZACH, YOU WANT TO EXPLAIN? >> I NEED TO OFFER AN EXPLANATION AS WELL AS SOME MINOR AMENDMENTS TO THIS. 
          ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING IS TAKING ABOUT $72,000 THAT WAS ENCUMBERED BACK IN I THINK STARTING IN 2018 AND ROLLED FORWARD AND BASICALLY WHEN WE CLOSE A PURCHASE ORDER OR INCUMBERANCE, THOSE DOLLARS GO BACK TO THE FUND BUT AREN'T APPROPRIATED. THIS IS ASKING TO INCREASE THE FUNDS ON THIS PROJECT. IF I CAN MENTION SOME PROPOSED VERY SLIGHT EDITS HERE. 
          I THINK IT WOULD BE CLEARER IN THAT SYNOPSIS IF INSTEAD OF SAYING 2018 INCUMBER, THAT SHOULD SAY THE 2024 BUDGET. 
          WE'RE ADDING IT TO THE 2024 BUDGET. 
          THE FACT THAT IT CAME FROM 2018 INCOUPLE BRANSS PROBABLY ISN'T RELEVANT HERE. 
          AND THEN ON LINES 37, 41, AND 45, THERE IS AN R IN FRONT OF THOSE ACCOUNT NUMBERS. THAT'S OUR ACCOUNTING LINGO FOR ENCUMBERED DOLLARS THAT ARE ROLLED. 
          IT JUST NEEDS TO BE PUT IN THE CURRENT YEAR. 
          SO IF YOU'LL STRIKE THE RS IN FRONT OF THE ACCOUNT CODES THERE. 37, 41, AND 45. 
          >> COUNSELOR SCHNEIDER. 
          >> I THINK IT'S GOOD YOU HAD THE 2018 IN THERE. I THINK THAT'S WHAT DIFFERENTIATES IT FROM THE LAST ORDNANCE. 
          IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN COMMITTED TO FOR SIX YEARS. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT DISTINCTION. IT'S NOT THE SAME OR I'M NOT GOING TO BRING UP THE SAME ISSUE BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN. 
          >> AND PERHAPS THE SOLUTION THERE IS INSTEAD OF REPLACING THE 2018 ENCUMBRANCES, ORDNANCE APPROPRIATES 719 FROM 2018 ENCUMBRANCES IN THE 2024 BUDGET. SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD CHECK BOTH BOXES I THINK. 
          >> MR. SCHNEIDER, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING 
          ELSE? >> THAT'S RIGHT. 
          I NEED TO DO A PUBLIC HEARING. 
          >> BUT I'M MOVING US ALONG. 
          >> THANK YOU. 
          >> JEFF'S DONE. I'LL GO AHEAD AND START THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 8:14. IF ANYBODY WANTS TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS, PLEASE GO TO THE PODIUM. ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE SOMEBODY STAND UP THERE, NO? ALL RIGHT. GOT ME EXCITED. 
          CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 
          8:15. >> MOVE TO APPROVE. 
          >> MOVE TO APPROVE. SUSPEND THE RULES. 
          >> WHY ARE WE -- 
          >> IT'S AN ORDINANCE. YEAH. 
          FOR FIRST READ, DON'T WE NEED TO 
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          SUSPEND THE RULES? >> YES. 
          >> OH, OH. 
          >> YEAH. 
          >> PRESIDENT GREEN, DO WE ALSO NEED TO MAEK A MOTION TO AMEND THE ORDINANCE? 
          >> YEAH, GOOD, COUNSELOR SCHNEIDER. 
          HOW ABOUT WE AMEND THEN SUSPEND. 
          >> I MOVE. 
          >> I LIKE -- HOW ABOUT WE MEND THEN SUSPEND? 
          >> I MOVE TO APPROVE AS AMENDED WITH THE TITLE CHANGE AS OUR CFO AND LEGAL PROPOSED OR SEE BEST FIT THERE AND TO REMOVE THE RS ON THE LINES INDICATED WHICH WERE 37, 41, AND 45. 
          >> IS THERE A SECOND TO AMEND? ALL RIGHT. 
          ANY DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDMENT? PLEASE VOTE. 
          >> I LOST MY SERVER CONNECTION. WE'LL NEED TO TAKE A VOICE VOTE. I'M SORRY. 
          >> COUNSELOR MENARD. 
          >> ALL RIGHT. IT'S BEEN AMENDED. 
          ALL RIGHT, SO MOTION, WE NEED A MOTION TO 
          SUSPEND. >> MOTION TO SUSPEND THE RULES AND VOTE ON THIS THIS EVENING. 
          >> SECOND. 
          >> ALL RIGHT, DISCUSSION, PLEASE VOTE. 
          TAKE COUNSELOR. 
          >> AYE. 
          >> AYE. 
          >> GO AHEAD. SO WE'RE GOOD. 
          ALL RIGHT, SO NOW WE GOT A MOTION TO SUSPEND. 
          NOW IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AMENDED VERSION? 
          >> I MOVE WE APPROVE THE AMENDED VERSION. 
          >> SECOND. 
          >> ALL RIGHT, DISCUSSION. ALL RIGHT. 
          >> BUT YOU HAVE TO STILL, THANK YOU. 
          >> AS A SIDE BAR. 
          >> NO, I THINK THAT WAS THE OLD ONE. 
          IS THIS -- JESSICA, WE READY OR SHOULD WE JUST DO VOICE VOTE? ALL RIGHT. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          >> BEFORE YOU GO ON, I JUST WANTED TO TELL YOU, ZACH, ONE OF THE THINGS I NOTICED WHEN II THIS, I THOUGHT IT WAS RAND FOR SOUTH AFRICAN DOLLARS SO THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION AND THAT'S AN AYE FOR ME. 
          >> AYE. 
          >> AYE. THAT'S APPROVED, 9- 0, THANK YOU. 
          >> MR. PRESIDENT, COULD I JUST CLARIFY WE DID AN AMENDMENT, SUSPENSION AND AN APPROVAL OF THE AMENDED ONE AND ALL THREE, UNLESS SOMEBODY 
          [14.a. First Reading of Ordinance D-2751-24; An Ordinance of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Amending and Creating Law Enforcement Aid Funds; Sponsor: Councilor Worrell.]
CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY JUST IN CASE. 
          OKAY. THANK YOU. 
          >> YEP. MOVING ON TO ITEM 14, NEW BUSINESS. FIRST READING OF D-7524. 
          THE CITY OF CARAMEL, INDIANA, AMENDING AND CREATING A LAW ENFORCEMENT AID FUND. 
          >> MOVE TO INTRODUCE. 
          >> ALL RIGHT. COULD YOU READ THE SYNOPSIS? 
          >> THIS CREATES FUND 910 AND AMENDED 911 IN ORDER TO MANAGE FORFEITURE MONEY. 
          >> CPD MANAGES AA NUMBER DIFFERENT FUNDS. 
          ONE IS OUR 911 LAW ENFORCEMENT AID FUND WHICH FUNDS THE OPERATIONS FOR OUR DRUG TASK FORCE. THERE'S ALSO A REVENUE ACCOUNT ATTACHED TO THAT. 
          SO WHEN THE DRUG TASK FORCE BRINGS IN FORFEITURES AND UP UNTIL NOW WHEN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WHICH OPERATES SEPARATELY OF THE POLICE FORCE BRINGS IN FORFEITURES, SO THIS FUND OR THIS ORDINANCE ESTABLISHES A 910 ACCOUNT WHICH WOULD THEN ALLOW THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO KIND OF OPERATE ITS OWN REVENUE ACCOUNT. THAT IS THE PURPOSE OF IT. 
          >> ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS FOR CHIEF? THERE'S NO QUESTIONS. COUNSELOR. 
          >> JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, HOW MUCH FUNDS DO WE USUALLY COLLECT ON AN ANNUAL BASES FOR THESE? 
          >> SO, IT MIGHT BE A BETTER QUESTION FOR MAJOR RYAN MYERS WHO'S WITH ME. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, IT JUST DEPENDS. FORFEITURES COME AND GO. 
          SOMETIMES DRUG TASK FORCE IS VERY LARGE. 
          THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, OUR CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS DIVISION JUST CLOSED A BIG FORFEITURE WHICH WE EXPECT TO 
          [02:20:01]
BRING IN A COUPLE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE MAKES IT TO THE RIGHT ACCOUNT. THAT WAS THE MAIN DRIVER FOR ESTABLISHING THIS ACCOUNT. I DON'T KNOW THE MAIN AVERAGE BUT I CAN GET THAT TO YOU LATER. 
          >> I JUST WANT TO GIVE CREDIT TO MAJOR MYER WHO CARRIED THE BALL ON THIS AND IS A MEMBER OF THE DRUG TASK FORCE AND IS PUTTING IN THE WORK AND THE TIME. 
          SO THANK YOU, AND SITTING THROUGH THIS MEETING. 
          >> ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER, COUNSELOR? 
          >> JUST A PROCEDURAL QUESTION. WHEN IT SPLITS FROM A BUDGET PROCESS, WE JUST WENT THROUGH, DO YOU GUYS APPROPRIATE ALL THE MONEY THAT'S COLLECTED FROM THIS? 
          >> WE DON'T TYPICALLY APPROPRIATE ALL THE MONEY. JUST FOR WHAT WE PLAN TO NEED. 
          IC CODE GOVERNS, AUTHORIZES VERY LIMITED EXPENDITURES WITH FORFEITURES TO WE HAVE TO KIND OF PLAN IN ADVANCE. 
          >> THEN WILL YOU APPROPRIATE THE TWO FUNDS, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WILL APPROPRIATE BOTH 910 AND 911 MOVING FORWARD? 
          >> AS PART OF THE BUDGET PROCESS, COUNCIL DID APPROPRIATE DOLLARS TO FUND 911. 
          AFTER THIS GETS ESTABLISHED, AFTER DOLLARS GET IN THERE, WE'LL HAVE TO COME BACK WITH A SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATION TO APPROPRIATE THE DOLLARS IN THIS NEW FUND. 
          >> ALL RIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IF NOT, LOOKING FOR A MOTION TO SUSPEND. 
          >> TO SUSPEND THE RULES THIS EVENING. 
          >> SECOND. 
          >> DISCUSSION. 
          >> PLEASE VOTE. 
          >> AYE. 
          >> AYE. 
          >> AYE. 
          >> ALL RIGHT. SUSPENDED RULE VOTED 90. 
          MOVE TO APPROVE? 
          >> MOVE TO APPROVE. 
          >> SECOND. >> DISCUSSION. 
          PLEASE VOTE. APPROVED, 90. 
          [14.b. Resolution CC-12-02-24-01; A Resolution of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Approving a Transfer of Funds from the Carmel Police Department Budget (Fund 1100) into the Marketing and Communications Department Budget (Fund 1203); Sponsor(s): Councilor(s) Green and Taylor.]
THANK YOU. MOVING ON TO 14B. 
          RESOLUTION CC-12-02-24-01. RESOLUTION COMMON COUNCIL CITY OF CARAMEL, INDIANA, APPROVING OF TRANSFER FUNDS TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. INTO MARKETING COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT BUDGET FUND 1203 SPONSORS COUNSELOR GREEN AND TAYLOR. COUNSELOR TAYLOR, CAN YOU READ THE SYNOPSIS, PLEASE? CAN I GET A MOTION TO INTRODUCE? 
          >> COUNSELOR TAYLOR, CAN YOU READ THE SYNOPSIS? 14B. 
          >> TRANSFERS, $40,000. FOR THE 2024 BUDGET, THE 2024 MARKETING AND COMMUNICATIONS 
          BUDGET. >> WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED 
          [14.c. Resolution CC-12-02-24-02; A Resolution of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Approving a Transfer of Funds Within the Human Resources Department Budget (#1201); Sponsor(s): Councilor(s) Green and Aasen.]
THIS. WE'LL JUST HOLD ON TO THIS WITH THE ORDINANCE. 
          RESOLUTION 12-02. THE CITY OF CARAMEL APPROVING OF TRANSFER FUNDS WITHIN THE HUMAN RESOURCES DEPARTMENT BUDGET. NUMBER 1201 SPONSORS COUNSELOR GREEN AND OSEN. 
          CAN I GET A MOTION TO INTRODUCE? PLEASE READ THE SYNOPSIS. 
          >> THIS TRANSFERS IN THE HUMAN RESOURCES DEPARTMENT BUDGET. 
          >> ALL RIGHT. ZACH, COULD YOU PLEASE KIND OF DESCRIBE THE TRANSFER, THE MAKE UP AND THE INFORMATION? 
          >> YEAH. CERTAINLY. 
          THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I THINK IT'S BETTER IF I DESCRIBE ANOTHER TRANSFER THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE RELATED TO THE HR DEPARTMENT ON NEXT, ON THE NEXT AGENDA AS PART OF A BIGGER PACKAGE HERE. 
          SO ESSENTIALLY, THE HR DEPARTMENT YOU KNOW, IS FUNDED FOR 2024. IT WAS NOT CONTEMPLATED AT THAT TIME THAT THE PAYROLL FUNCTION WOULD BE EXECUTED BY THAT DEPARTMENT DURING THIS CALENDAR YEAR. THAT WAS A DECISION MADE PRIOR TO ME COMING ON BOARD. I CAME ON BOARD IN APRIL. PRIOR TO ME STARTING PAYROLL HAD ALREADY MOVED OUT OF FINANCE AND OVER TO THE HR DEPARTMENT. AND SO THAT IS ONE FACTOR AND WE HAVE A PAYROLL ADMINISTRATOR WHO DOES THE CITY'S PAYROLL AS WELL AS A CONTRACT EXPENSE FOR ADP. THAT'S ONE GROUP OF EXPENSES. THE OTHER EXPENSE THAT WAS NOT CONTEMPLATED IS THAT WE HAD AN INTERIM HR DIRECTOR FOR A 
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FEW MONTHS AND BASICALLY NEEDED DOLLARS MOVED TO PAY OUT EXPENSES ON CONSULTING FEES RATHER THAN ON THE FULL- TIME APPROPRIATION. 
          SO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE IS $104,000 OF MOVING WITHIN THE HR BUDGET TO BASICALLY TAKE DOLLARS THEY HAD AVAILABLE FIRST TO FILL THOSE GAPS AND THEN THE TRANSFER YOU'LL SEE ON DECEMBER 16TH IS A TRANSFER FROM THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT WHERE WE DID, WE WERE APPROPRIATED DOLLARS FOR THE ADP CONTRACT AS WELL AS PAYROLL ADMINISTRATORS BENEFITS SALARIES. YOU'LL SEE THE TRANSFER COMING FORWARD NEXT MEETING TO TRANSFER THOSE DOLLARS, PLEASE. 
          >> ANY QUESTIONS? 
          >> YOU'RE SAYING THE NEXT MEETING WE'LL HAVE MORE MEETING MOVED INTO -- 
          >> I'D HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK TO SEE IF IT'S THOSE EXACT ACCOUNT LINES. 
          IF YOU GIVE ME A SECOND -- 
          >> AGAIN, KIND OF PROCESS. AS LONG AS WE'RE ALL LEARNING, I GUESS I CAN BE OKAY WITH IT, BUT DON'T KNOW WHY WE'RE NOT DOING THESE AT ONCE WHEN THEY'RE WITHIN THE SAME LINE ITEMS. WHY? 
          >> PARDON ME? 
          >> WHY HAVE THEY -- WHY IS IT GOING OVER MULTIPLE MEETINGS? 
          >> BASICALLY BECAUSE THE, MY GOAL IS TO GET AS MANY OF THESE CLEANED UP AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. 
          HOWEVER, THE TRANSFER FROM FINANCE DEPARTMENT TO HR HAS TO BE PUBLICLY NOTICED SO THAT'S SLOWED IT DOWN BY ABOUT THREE WEEKS. THAT'S WHY THE OTHER PART IS LAGGING. 
          >> SO THE CONSULTING FEES FOR THE INTERIM IS, DOES 25,000 COVER ALL THAT OR IS THERE GOING -- WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS I DON'T WANT TO PARTIALLY FUND SOMEBODY'S PAY. 
          >> YEAH, IT'S ALREADY, IT IS ALREADY NEGATIVE, IF YOU WILL. 
          >> I THINK MY POINT IS I PERSONALLY, MAYBE THIS AN EXTRA THING OR IF YOU'RE DOING TO DO THESE MID YEAR AS YOU SEE THE PROBLEMS POP UP, JUST DO THEM AT ONCE. 
          MAKES THINGS A LITTLE EASIER TO JUST KIND OF UNDERSTAND INSTEAD OF NOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TWO HR TRANSFERS. AND THEN THE BIG QUESTION WOULD BE LIKE WHY DID WE DO NO TRAINING? THERE'S $90,000 OF THE TRAINING THAT WASN'T DONE. IS THAT A DISSERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY? JUST SO WE HAVE TIME TO ACTUALLY GET THOSE QUESTIONS IN. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ZACH. LOOKING FOR A 
          MOTION. >> MOVE TO APPROVE. 
          DISCUSSION PLEASE VOTE. APPROVE 9-0. 
          [14.d. Resolution CC-12-02-24-03; A Resolution of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Authorizing a Transfer of Funds Within the 2024 Carmel Police Department Budget; Sponsor(s): Councilor(s) Minnaar, Worrell and Joshi.]
MOVING ON TO 14D. RESOLUTION CC-12- 02, RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF CARAMEL AUTHORIZING A TRANSFER OF FUND WITHIN THE 2024 POLICE DEPARTMENT BUDGET. SPONSORS. 
          >> MOVE INTRODUCE. >> SECOND. 
          >> ALL RIGHT. 
          >> TRANSFERS $55,000 FROM LINE ITEM INTO THE OTHER CONTRACTUAL SERVICES LINE ITEM WITHIN THE 2024 POLICE DEPARTMENT BUDGET. 
          >> ALL RIGHT, CHIEF. 
          >> THIS WAS WE USED THIS TO PAY THE CHIEF. 
          HE WAS HIRED ON A CONTRACTUAL BASIS. 
          THAT WAS NOT OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION PLANNED FOR IN 2024 SO THIS MAKES THIS LINE. LOOKING FOR A MOTION. 
          [14.e. Resolution CC-12-02-24-04; A Resolution of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Approving a Transfer of Funds within the Mayor’s Office Budget (#1160); Sponsor(s): Councilor(s) Green and Aasen.]
          >> SECOND. APPROVED 9-0. MOVING ON TO E. 
          PROVING THE TRANSFER OF FUNDS WITHIN THE MAYOR'S OFFICE BUDGET. 
          SPONSORS. >> MOVE TO INTRODUCE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          >> THIS TRANSFERS $197,500 WITHIN THE 2024 MAYOR'S OFFICE 
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BUDGET. 
          >> WHAT'S THE MONEY FOR? 
          >> YEAH, AND SO, MAKING IT UP AS WE GO ALONG. IF I CAN OFFER ONE AMENDMENT TO THIS FIRST. IT'S LOWER. 
          ON THE, ON LINE 38, IT SAYS $35,000 ON FURNITURE AND FIXTURES. 
          THAT SHOULD BE 10,000 CURRENTLY THE AMOUNT WE'RE TRANSFERRING DOES NOT MATCH THE AMOUNT THAT'S RECEIVING. IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN 10,000 DL. 
          BIG PICTURE THOUGH. COUNCIL EARLIER THIS YEAR APPROVED THE CREATION OF THE CHIEF OF STAFF POSITION WITHIN THE MAYOR'S OFFICE. HOWEVER, DOLLARS WERE NEVER PROVIDED TO PAY THAT SALARY. 
          THAT HAS BEEN THE COST OF THAT HAS BEEN ABSORBED BY THE MAYOR'S OFFICE WITHIN THE EXISTING APPROPRIATION OVERALL BUT DOLLARS ARE NEEDED TO BASICALLY ORDER TO FUND THAT NOW. 
          SO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS A TOTAL OF 185,000 BEING MOVED INTO FULL- TIME REGULAR. FYI, THAT IS LARGER THAN THE CURRENT AND OR FORMER CHIEF OF STAFF'S SALARY, HOWEVER, WHENEVER A CASHOUT OF A CERTAIN AMOUNT HENCE THE NEED FOR MORE THAN JUST A ACTUAL SALARY. 
          AND ALSO, REMOVING 2500 FOR OFFICE SUPPLIES AS WELL AS $10,000 FOR FURNITURE AND FIXTURES. 
          10,000 FOR LIGHTING AND THE MONITORS AND OTHER AUDIO- VISUAL TYPE HOOK UPS FOR THE OFFICE. 
          >> COUNSELOR SCHNEIDER. 
          >> PROBABLY WOULD HAVE BEEN OKAY BEFORE YOU SAID THE LAST WORDS. ALREADY WRITTEN A IPO FOR $19,052.95 FOR AUDIO-VISUAL. 
          ARE YOU SAYING IT TAKES MORE THAN $20,000 IN AP EQUIPMENT FOR AN OFFICE? 
          >> I'D HAVE TO LOOK INTO THAT PO SO I COULD GIVE YOU AN INTELLIGENT -- 
          >> IT SAYS ON THERE, CHIEF OF STAFF'S OFFICE. 
          SO, WE HAD, THERE WERE A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW MUCH THE BUILDING REMODELS COST AND THERE'S STILL QUESTIONS IF THERE'S STILL REQUESTS COMING IN. I JUST, NOT GOING TO FIGHT IT. 
          I WANT CLARIFICATION ON EVERYTHING. 
          >> AND I WOULD SAY BASED UPON THE JUSTIFICATION OR THE DESCRIPTION THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED THERE, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE, THE ENTIRE OFFICE SUITE WAS RENOVATED FROM KIND OF THE LOBBY SPACE BACK TO AND INCLUDING THE OFFICE FOR THE DEPUTY CHIEF OF STAFF, THE CHIEF OF STAFF AND KIND OF THE CONVERSION FROM THE MAYOR'S OFFICE TO BECOMING THE CONFERENCE ROOM/EMERGENCY OPERATIONS BACK UP CENTER AS WELL AS WHAT'S NOW THE  OFFICE ITSELF.  
          >> YEAH BUT THAT WAS $47,882 FOR THE MAYOR'S CONFERENCE ROOM. WHAT I'M SAYING IS THERE'STHERE'S -- EVERYTHING YOU'RE SAYING, THERE HAS BEEN MONEY SPENT FOR. 
          I CAN GIVE YOU THAT PO NUMBER, TOO. MAYOR'S OFFICE, AV, 2581. SO AND THEN THERE'S FURNITURE ASSOCIATED WITH ALL OF THIS. 
          AS WELL. SO PAYING FOR IT TWICE? I MEAN -- I DON'T SEE HOW THIS STUFF IS NEEDED BUT IT'S ALREADY BEEN PAID FOR ONCE THIS YEAR. HOW MUCH MORE AV IS NEEDED? 
          >> AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE THE PURCHASE ORDER YOU'RE LOOKING AT, IS THAT STILL AN OPEN PURCHASE ORDER OR HAS THAT BEEN -- THAT WAS HOW WE WENT ABOUT BUYING THIS IN THE FIRST PLACE AND THIS IS NOW -- PUTTING MONEY IN PLACE. 
          >> THEN THE NUMBERS DON'T JIVE. 
          YOU SIGNED IT. YOU AND SETH SIGNED IT. 
          >> YEAH. JUST TO CLARIFY. 
          >> ON 72624. 
          >> YEAH. I THINK WHAT YOU'RE POINTING OUT IS, THERE WERE ORIGINALLY DOLLARS IN FURNITURE, IN 
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FIXTURES THAT WERE AVAILABLE TO ABSORB MOST BUT NOT ALL OF THIS. THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S JUST UNDER I THINK TEN GRAND NEGATIVE. 
          AND THE GOAL IS TO FIX THAT NEGATIVE AS PART OF OUR FISCAL YEAR CLOSE OUT. 
          >> THEN WHEN IT WAS REQUESTED FOR A BREAKDOWN OF EVERYTHING, THIS WAS, Y'ALL KNOW MY FEELING ON LASER FISH. 
          THIS WAS 12 HOURS FINDING ALL THESE INVOICES BECAUSE YOU GUYS WOULDN'T PROVIDE THEM. AND YOU SENT AN E- MAIL THAT DOES NOT JIVE WITH INVOICES FOUND. 
          AGAIN, I'M SURE NO ONE HAS DONE ANYTHING WRONG, BUT JUST WANT IT TO BE CRYSTAL CLEAR SO WE KNOW WHAT GOT SPENT ON EACH INDIVIDUAL THING. I GUESS MY FRUSTRATION IS AGAIN, YOU SEEM TO ME LIKE SIMPLE QUESTIONS AND IF YOU GUYS HAVE THE SOFTWARE TO PULL EVERY INVOICE WRITTEN TO AVI SYSTEMS, THEN, ANY OF THESE CONTRACTORS, THEN THEY SHOULD BE EASILY SENT TO US. 
          SO WE JUST KNOW WHAT WAS SPENT ON THIS BUILDING. 
          I DON'T REALLY CARE. THIS BUILDING WAS BUILT IN 1989. IT NEEDS A LOT OF IMPROVEMENT BUT WHEN ASKED THE QUESTION HOW MUCH WAS SPENT, I JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO GIVE AN ACCURATE ANSWER. 
          >> I APOLOGIZE. I DID RESPOND BACK TO THAT. 
          >> YOU SENT AN E- MAIL THAT HAD WALLPAPER, OLD REMEDIATION, AND PLUMBING. 
          NOT A SINGLE THING ABOUT FURNITURE, REMODEL, PAINTING. 
          IN THESE VARIOUS ROOMS. I'VE COMPARED THE E- MAIL YOU'VE SENT TO THESE INVOICES AND THEY DON'T MATCH UP. AGAIN, I'M NOT SAYING ANYTHING HAS BEEN DONE WRONG. I'M JUST SAYING I WANT THE FULL PICTURE. 
          >> YOU HAVE SOMETHING? 
          >> I WAS JUST GOING TO TRY AND HELP. 
          SO ZACH DID SEND A, AN E- MAIL WITH A SUMMARY OF 364,000 OR 365,000 AND MATT, YOU AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT EARLIER TODAY. 
          THAT'S THE E- MAIL YOU'RE 
          PROBABLY REFERRING TO. >> THAT'S CORRECT. 
          >> AND THEN MATT HAS SEEN SOME ADDITIONAL -- 
          >> ON THIS BUILDING, MY TOTAL COMES, AND THE PO S I FOUND, TOTAL 422,859. 57 BUT THERE'S NOTHING THIS THESE POS THAT REFERENCE OLD REMEDIATION, PLUMBING, OR WALLPAPER. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE WAS IT REALLY 422 PLUS 369? ASKED ABOUT THE ONE THING AND I'D RATHER NOT GET DEEPER SO WE KNOW WHAT IT MEANS. 
          AGAIN, OLD BUILDING. WHAT I DON'T LIKE DOING IS LYING TO PEOPLE WHEN THEY ASK ME A QUESTION. AND I'M NOT DOUBTING YOU BUT I WOULD WANT TO LOOK AT THOSE, THE 400 WHATEVER TOTAL, 469, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          JUST TO MAKE SURE WHAT WAS IT, WAS IT THIS BUILDING? WAS IT WORK ON THE PAVEMENT THAT WAS DONE AROUND THE -- 
          >> MAYOR'S CONFERENCE ROOM, MAYOR'S CONFERENCE ROOM, MAYOR'S OFFICE. MAYOR'S OFFICE. 
          MAC OFFICES. COMMON AREAS. 
          MAYOR'S OFFICE. MAYOR'S OFFICE. ENGINEERING. CIO OFFICE. 
          WHAT IT SAYS ON ALL THE POS. AGAIN, I THINK WE SHOULD PROBABLY JUST TERMINATE AND YOU SAY LET ME GATHER ALL THE INFORMATION. BECAUSE I'VE GOT IT DOWN TO THE, JUST TOOK THE INFORMATION OFF 
          THE PO. >> ALL RIGHT. 
          COUNSELOR LOTT. 
          >> JUST A BROADER QUESTION. THIS CAME UP IN THE FINANCE MEETING. THE CONCEPT OF A RUBBER STAMP, THE CONCEPT THAT WE ARE APPROVING APPROPRIATIONS THAT WERE OVERSPENT TO MAKE UP THE SPENDING THAT'S ALREADY OCCURRED. 
          LIKE THIS ONE IS A GOOD EXAMPLE. 
          BOTH CATEGORIES ARE NOW FILLING NEGATIVE NUMBERS ON BOOKS. SOME OF THEM, WE'VE APPROVED AS FAR AS THINGS WE KNEW ABOUT THAT WE KNEW THEY WERE COMING. I REALLY STRUGGLE, LIKE THIS ONE SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE WE KNEW WHEN WE APPROVED THE POSITION THAT THERE WOULD BE A BUDGET SHORTFALL BASED ON THE APPROPRIATIONS. 
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I APPLAUD THE MAYOR'S OFFICE FOR FINDING SAVINGS WITHIN THEIR OWN BUDGET TO COVER THAT. 
          IT FEELS FROM A FINANCIAL STANDPOINT, IT ELIMINATES OUR CONVERSATION ON THE BUDGET TO DELINEATE LINE ITEMS IF WE'RE JUST GOING TO RUBBER STAMP AT THE END APPROVALS BASED ON THE SPENDING NEEDS BASED ON THE DEPARTMENT WHEN THEY'RE THERE. I KNOW THIS THIS YEAR IS DIFFERENT BECAUSE THE BUDGET WAS WRITTEN BY A DIFFERENT ADMINISTRATION, DIFFERENT COUNCIL. WE'RE A NEW ADMINISTRATION, DIFFERENT PROCESS. 
          I'M COMFORTABLE THAT I'M NOT COMFORTABLE APPROVING TRANSFERS FOR LINE ITEMS WHEN THE OVERSPENDING CAN BE KNOWN AHEAD OF HIM. 
          CAN WE HIT THESE EARLIER. THE CONCEPT OF YOUR FIXES, HOW DO WE ENSURE WE'RE DOING THAT SO THAT A DOLLAR ISN'T SPENT THAT HASN'T BEEN APPROPRIATED. 
          THAT'S OUR GOAL AS A FISCAL AGENT. 
          THEN SAY WELL, BECAUSE WE'RE AFRAID OF AN AUDIT AT THE END OF THE YEAR OR NEXT YEAR, THAT'S A PROBLEM. THAT'S A MATERIAL BREACH OF OUR FIDUCIARY DUTY TO OVERSEE THE WAY YOU'RE APPROPRIATING. 
          I UNDERSTAND IT'S PAST PRACTICE, BUT I IMPLORE YOU AS A MAN WHO IS IS BIGGER AND MORE SOPHISTICATED BUDGET AND MORE ACCURATE TO NIP THIS IN THE BUD, NOT DO THIS AGAIN NEXT YEAR BECAUSE THE AUDIT SHOULD POTENTIALLY SHOW FINDINGS THAT WE'RE SPENDING MONEY WE DON'T HAVE THEN FIXING IT. THAT'S A PROBLEM. 
          >> AND I'LL SAY, UNFORTUNATELY, THAT'S NOT THE TYPE OF STUFF THAT STATE BOARD OF ACCOUNTS LOOKS FOR, FRANKLY, AS LONG AS IT'S FINE BY THE END OF THE YEAR. 
          THIS WOULD NEVER -- 
          >> I GET IT. I'M SAYING THAT FROM A FISCAL OVERSIGHT AS A CO- EQUAL BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT, ENSURING WE'RE SPENDING MONEY ON WHAT WE SHOULD AFTER SPENDING 30 MINUTES TALKING ABOUT A POSITION THAT CAN'T BE ADDED. WE'RE SPENDING MONEY THAT'S BEING POSITIONED INTO A BUDGET ITEM. AGAIN, THIS YEAR DIFFERENT. 
          MOVING FORWARD, I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO APPROVE A TRANSFER UNLESS IT IS BROUGHT TO US AHEAD OF TIME OR EVEN DURING THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE POSITION LIKE HEY, WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO MAKE CUTS IN BUDGET. WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK WITH A TRANSFER. IT GETS TO THE CONCEPT THAT ALL OF THE WORK WAS PUT INTO THE BUDGET THIS YEAR WAS APPROVED. MANAGING THE CITY. 
          THAT MONEY NEEDS TO BE USED FOR WHAT IT WAS INTENDED TO BE USED FOR AND IF THERE'S GOING TO BE A CHANGE TO THAT THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF THE YEAR, AS SOON AS WE KNOW ABOUT IT, WE SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT IT. 
          >> THAT'S MY COMMITMENT FOR NEXT YEAR IS THAT I WON'T GO INTO MY FULL SPIEL, BUT AS SOMEBODY WHO IS OVER ALL TRANSFERS AT THE STATE LEVEL, I WOULDN'T WANT TO BE BACKED INTO A CORNER WHERE SOMEBODY'S ALREADY MADE MY DECISION FOR ME. THAT THIS HAS BEEN OVERSPENT. 
          YOU REALLY DON'T HAVE THAT MANY OPTIONS AT THIS POINT. 
          >> WE CAN JUST NOT APPROVE IT IS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. 
          THAT MAY NOT HAPPEN THIS YEAR, BUT IT MAY HAPPEN NEXT YEAR. IT MAY HAPPEN THIS YEAR, BUT KNOWING WHAT IS GOING ON IS IMPORTANT. 
          >> AND SO ON LATER THIS MONTH, I'LL BE ROLLING OUT KIND OF A REVISED COMPREHENSIVE TRANSFER POLICY FOR ALL CITY DEPARTMENTS. 
          FIRST RULE FIGHT CLUB FOR TRANSFERS IS, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY, WE ASK FOR PERMISSION FIRST. AS OPPOSED TO FORGIVENESS IF IT'S EVEN THAT AT THE END OF THE YEAR. 
          I'M SURE THERE WILL BE SOME UNFORESEEN EMERGENCY WHERE I'LL BE COMING AND ASKING FOR FORGIVENESS, BUT THINGS LIKE THIS WHERE YEAH, CLEANING UP THE SALARY STUFF FOR A POSITION THAT WAS APPROVED JANUARY, I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHEN. THERE'S NO REASON WHY SOME OF THESE COULDN'T BE DONE EARLIER. 
          WAS JUST THE SAY THE PROCESS AND THE MANAGEMENT STYLE THAT I KIND OF INHERITED WHEN I BECAME CFO THEN TOOK ME A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO GET ACCLIMATED. AGAIN, WE JUST TAKE THESE TO COUNCIL AT THE END OF THE YEAR. 
          THEY HAVE TO CLEAN IT UP. 
          >> OKAY. I DON'T LIKE IT. 
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I WOULDN'T WANT THAT DONE TO ME. 
          >> THE LIKELIHOOD THIS WILL HAPPEN IN THE NEXT YEAR AFTER THIS COUNCIL, THIS NEW COUNCIL AND THE NEW ADMINISTRATION OWN THE BUDGET, YOU KNOW, SHOULD DRAMATICALLY IMPROVE. 
          COUNSELOR AUSTIN THEN TAYLOR. 
          >> COUNSELOR LOCKE IS RIGHT. THERE WAS A SITUATION WHEN I WAS ON PLANT COMMISSION WHERE THEY ASKED FOR A VARIANCE FOR A BUILDING THAT HAD ALREADY BEEN BUILT IN THE CRC. 
          THEY WANTED TO CHANGE THE VARIANCE FOR LOT COVERAGE AND IF THE PLANT COMMISSION WERE TO VOTE NO, WHAT DO YOU DO? TEAR DOWN THE BUILDING? TO GO INTO WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN FINANCE COMMITTEE, THE SOLUTION ISN'T TO TAKE AWAY THE COUNCIL'S ABILITY TO APPROVE IT. IT'S GET THE MONEY TRANSFERRED BEFORE IT GOES INTO THE NEGATIVE THEN WE DON'T RUN INTO THIS ISSUE. I'M PROBABLY GOING TO SUGGEST IN THE NEXT YEAR THAT MAYBE ON A QUARTERLY LEVEL, WE HAVE AN UPDATE ON THE CITY'S BUDGET SO WE CAN HAVE AN IDEA OF WHERE THAT IS. PERHAPS PUT THAT AS AN AGENDA ITEM THAT WE COULD CODIFY. 
          BUT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE THERE, BUT YEAH, I MEAN, WE'LL CUT YOU SOME SLACK BECAUSE THIS IS YOUR FIRST YEAR AND NEW ADMINISTRATION. 
          >> THANK YOU. 
          >> COUNSELOR TAYLOR THEN WOREL. 
          >> FIRST, IT'S IMPORTANT TO BE CLEAR TO THE PUBLIC AND TRANSPARENT TO THE PUBLIC THAT THESE TAX DOLLARS HAVE BEEN COLLECTED FROM THE PUBLIC. WE JUST PASSED A BUDGET FOR WHICH WE UNAPPROPRIATED OVER $3 MILLION THAT WE'LL BE COLLECTING FROM TAXPAYERS BUT NOT DEPLOYING NEXT YEAR THROUGH A BUDGET. OTHER UNAPPROPRIATED DOLLARS THAT GO TO OUR GENERAL FUND THAT WE JUST COLLECT AND NOT USE. THAT'S WHY WHEN WE'REGOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS, THAT'S WHY I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT WHY WE'RE IMPLEMENTING A WHEEL AND SURTAX WHEN IT WAS OBVIOUS THAT WE COULD UNAPPROPRIATE ALMOST $3 MILLION FROM THE BUDGET WHICH WE'RE COLLECTING FROM TAXPAYERS NO MATTER WHAT THEN NOT DEPLOY IT. IT WAS OBVIOUS TO ME WE COULD COME UP WITH THAT $3 MILLION ELSEWHERE. SO IT'S VERY CLEAR, VERY IMPORTANT FOR THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND THAT IF WE CHOOSE TO NOT APPROPRIATE DOLLARS, DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE NOT COLLECTING IT FROM THE TAXPAYERS. 
          WE'RE COLLECTING THAT MONEY FROM YOU AND NOW IT'S SITTING IN AN ACCOUNT EARNING INTEREST AND NOT BEING DEPLOYED WHEN WE UNAPPROPRIATE IT. 
          IT GOES TO THE GENERAL FUND. WHAT I WAS JUST GOING TO REQUEST IS THAT SINCE THERE'S A LOT OF UNANSWERED QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SPENDING FOR THE REMODELING ON CITY HALL, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE MOVE THIS ITEM TOTO COMMITTEE. 
          I CALL THAT WE MOVE THIS TO COMMITTEE THEN AT COMMITTEE ON DECEMBER 10TH, I THOUGHT WE WERE HAVING ONE ON -- 
          >> OR WE COULD TABLE IT. 
          >> SO FINANCE AND RULES IS CANCELED ON 10TH EVEN THOUGH WE MET TODAY? 
          >> WE SAID THAT WE WERE MOVING THE FULL AGENDA TO TODAY INSTEAD OF KEEPING THE 12TH OR WHENEVER IT WAS. 
          >> I NEVER GOT THE DECLINE THEN. 
          >> IT WAS TODAY. NO, IT WENT ON ON TEXT JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE SAW IT. 
          >> IF WE'RE TRANSFERRING ONE TO ANOTHER, WE NEED TO GET OUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED BEFORE WE APPROVE. 
          >> THAT'S TAKEN AND WE CAN HOLD ON TO IT. COUNSELOR WOREL. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          >> I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY, DIDN'T MEAN TO START AN INQUEST HERE. I WAS REALLY TRYING TO JUST SUBTLY POINT OUT THAT WE DO THESE TRANSFERS AND FRANKLY, I JUST WANTED A BETTER UNDERSTANDING. DIDN'T MEAN TO CALL OUT ALL OF THIS, ALTHOUGH I HOPE YOU CAN NOW THAT IT'S OUT THERE, YOU CAN RECONCILE IT ALL AND THANK YOU. 
          THE OTHER COUNSELORS I THINK HAVING ACCURATE DATA IS JUST AS IMPORTANT AND I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT ALL OF THIS STUFF WAS NEEDED AND CONTRACTORS, EVERYTHING, A PRICE WAS GIVEN THEN IT WAS WE'LL FIGURE OUT OU TO PAY FOR THIS LATER. 
          I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S ALL RECONCILED. 
          SO COUNSELOR LOCKE'S POINT. WE DON'T HAVE TO FUND SOMETHING AND WHILE THAT MAY BE A HORRIBLE IDEA AND WHILE WE MAY GET FINED, THAT'S A DECISION WE GET TO MAKE. AND SOMETIMES ON SOME THINGS, IT MAYBE WEIGHING THE FINE VERSUS THE WHAT WE FEEL IS 
          [02:50:01]
UNACCEPTABLE IS A CONVERSATION THAT NEEDS TO BE HAD. SO I DO THINK THAT DECISION NEEDS TO BE REMAIN WITH US. 
          BECAUSE IT IS THE COUNCIL'S DECISION TO MAKE AND WE CAN MAKE A GOOD DECISION OR A BAD DECISION BUT IT IS ONE THAT, IT IS A TOOL IN OUR SHED THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED. 
          [14.f. Resolution CC-12-02-24-05; A Resolution of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Approving a Transfer of Funds within the Marketing and Community Relations Department Budget (#1203); Sponsor(s): Councilor(s) Green and Aasen.]
SO I DO APPRECIATE EVERYBODY. THANK YOU. 
          >> ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON TO ITEM F. 
          RESOLUTION CC-12-02-24-05. RESOLUTION CITY OF CARAMEL, INDIANA, APPROVING TRANSFER OF FUNDS WITH THE MARKETING COMMUNITY RELATIONS DEPARTMENT BUDGET NUMBER 
          1203. >> MOVE TO INTRODUCE. 
          >> SECOND. 
          >> ALL RIGHT, COUNSELOR. 
          >> THIS TRANSFERS 275,000 WITHIN THE COMMITTEE RELATIONS 
          BUDGET. >> ALL RIGHT. ZACH. 
          >> IF YOU LIKED THAT ONE. SO, LET ME START BY, I, WE DID AS LATE AS TODAY KIND OF NEGOTIATE THIS ONE DOWN A LITTLE BIT. WHILE THE TOTAL LISTED IS $275,000, IT CAN BE LOWERED BY 45,000. 
          DOWN TO $230,000. THAT WOULD NEED TO BE DONE IN THE SYNOPSIS AS WELL AS LINES 10 AND 14. 
          AND I CAN KIND OF MENTION WHERE TO TAKE THE 45,000 FROM. 
          BUT ESSENTIALLY, THIS YEAR WHEN WE LOOKED AT MAX BUDGET, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE ADDED POSITIONS THIS YEAR COMPARED TO WHERE THEY STARTED THIS YEAR WITH BEING MORE HEAVY ON CONTRACTED ASSISTANCE AND SO WE'VE GOT THE TRANSFER INTO FULL- TIME REGULAR TO COVER THOSE SALARIES. AND THEN ALSO THE TRANSFER FOR OTHER PROFESSIONAL FEES ON THE NEXT PAGE, WE HAVE THE ESSENTIALLY, WE HAD 50,000 COMBINED FOR FURNITURE AND FIXTURED. WE CAN LOWER THAT TO $45,000. 
          HENCE THE $45,000 DIFFERENCE THERE. 
          >> ALL RIGHT. 
          >> IN THE INTEREST OF FULLY ADDRESSING THE ISSUES THAT ARE ABOUT TO BE BROUGHT UP, I RECOMMEND WE TABLE THIS AND HOLD ON TO IT. 
          >> NEED TO BE OUT OF HERE BY MIDNIGHT. 
          >> ALL RIGHT. 
          >> THAT'S GOOD. SHOULD WE DO -- 
          >> ALL RIGHT. COUNSELOR. 
          >> YES. THANK YOU. 
          BUT IN ORDER TO DEAL WITH THIS, WE NEED BETTER COMMUNICATION SO THE FIRST THING THAT POPPED INTO MY MIND, HOW DO YOU TAKE A $45,000 TRANSFER AND TURN IT INTO FIVE. HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN? I DON'T GET THAT AT ALL. AND THAT'S ONE THING. 
          WHAT IS THIS FOR? WHAT'S THE HEAD COUNT? I SAT IN YOUR OFFICE, WE WENT THROUGH HEAD COUNTS AND I'M LOST AND FRANKLY, SOMEONE, IF WE HAD DEALT WITH THIS, I WOULD HAVE WANTED TO ASK SOMEONE FROM MAC TO BE HERE. IF THEY'RE ASKING FOR $275,000, THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN SOMEONE HERE. JUST LIKE SOME OF THESE OTHER DEPARTMENT HEADS HAVE SUFFERED THROUGH THIS THING TONIGHT. 
          >> I'LL SAY -- DON'T FAULT THE KELLY FOR THAT. 
          SHE ASKED ME IF I THOUGHT SHE NEEDED TO BE HERE AND I DIDN'T READ THE ROOM AND I SAID NO, I THINK IT'S A NO BRAINER. SO, ANY WAY. 
          >> THAT IS ON YOU. 
          >> I WILL SAY THE REASON THAT THAT 50,000 IS REDUCING BY 45 TO 5 IS THEY DID READ THE ROOM. 
          AND ORIGINALLY, THEY WERE REQUESTING TO MAKE AA FURNITURE PURCHASE AT YEAR END. THEY'VE NOT SPENT THAT NEGATIVE YET. 
          WE WENT BACK TO THEM AND SAID YOU KNOW, I JUST DON'T THINK COUNCIL IS GIVEN HOW THE BUDGET WORKSHOPS WENT, I DON'T THINK AND THE BUDGET, I DON'T THINK YOU GUYS SHOULD, WE AGREED THEY SHOULDN'T BE ASKING FOR 50,000 HENCE THE REDUCTION TO FIVE. THEY'RE GOING TO, IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO WORK SPACES, DESKS. THEY'VE GOT PEOPLE USING PARTS OF DESKS. YOU KNOW, ONE DESK WITH THE CREDENZA OVER HERE AND THE ACTUAL DESK PART OVER HERE. 
          AND SOMEBODY ELSE IS USING THE BRIDGE BETWEEN THE TWO. 
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AS A MAKESHIFT SPACE. AND SO, WE GOT IT DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY, BUT I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DESKS, WORKSTATIONS FOR SIX PEOPLE. 
          [14.g. Resolution CC-12-02-24-06; A Resolution of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Approving a Transfer of Funds Between the Grant Fund (#900) and the General Fund (#101); Sponsor(s): Councilor(s) Green and Aasen.]
YES, I'LL BRING, HAPPY TO BRING THIS BACK NEXT TIME. 
          >> THANK YOU. MOVING ON TO THE NEXT RESOLUTION G. CC-12-02-24-04. RESOLUTION THE CITY OF CARAMEL, INDIANA APPROVING A TRANSFER OF FUND BETWEEN GRANT FUND NUMBER 100. 
          >> MOVE TO INTRODUCE. 
          >> TRANSFER $5,000 FROM THE GRANT FUND 900 TO THE GENERAL FUND TO REIMBURSE PREVIOUSLY APPROPRIATED EXPENDITURES. 
          >> AND THIS ONE IS AS SIMPLE AS IT READS. 
          ESSENTIALLY, WE ARE REIMBURSING THE GENERAL FUND FOR SOME EXPENSES AND PAYING THAT OUT OF THE GRANT FUND. OR THE PARDON ME, YEAH, THE GRANT FUND FOR FESTIVAL AND COMMUNITY EVENT RELATED EXPENSES. 
          IT'S JUST A TRANSFER BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND. 
          IT'S NOT REAPPROPRIATING IT. 
          >> ALL RIGHT. COUNSELOR LOCKE. 
          >> JUST PROCESS. SOURCE OF THE GRANT FUNDS. 
          WHERE DID IT COME FROM? THEN JUST LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S TRANSFERRING FROM THE GRANT TO THE MAC LINE ITEM FOR FESTIVALS. SO -- 
          >> YEAH, I'D HAVE TO DETERMINE THE SOURCE. 
          I'M NOT SURE OF THE SOURCE. I KNOW IT'S, I'LL PUT IT LIKE THIS. IT IS VERY COMMON FOR, WHEN WE GET GRANTS, WE PUT THEM IN A GRANT FUND THEN MOVE THOSE REVENUES OVER TO THE GENERAL FUND AND THEN INCREASE THE APPROPRIATION FOR THAT. BUT IN TERMS OF WHAT THE SOURCE OF THE GRANT WAS, I'D HAVE TO -- 
          >> THESE ARE LIKE, IT'S A GRANT FROM TO BE APPLIED FOR AND GOT FROM A -- WE DON'T KNOW. 
          WE HAVE NO IDEA. 
          >> I DON'T THINK WE'RE TALKING FEDERAL FUNDING HERE. 
          I THINK THIS IS LIKE A PRIVATE GRANT DONATION TYPE SITUATION. 
          >> ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? 
          LOOKING FOR A MOTION. >> MOVE TO APPROVE. 
          >> SECOND. 
          >> DISCUSSION. PLEASE VOTE. 
          >> IT WAS GIVEN FOR A SPECIFIC PURPOSE AND NOW WE'RE 
          [14.h. Resolution CC-12-02-24-07; A Resolution of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Approving a Transfer of Funds Within the Motor Vehicle Highway Fund (#201) Engineering Department Budget (#2200); Sponsor(s): Councilor(s) Snyder, Taylor and Worrell.]
JUST REIMBURSING THE GENERAL FUND FOR THAT EXPENSE. 
          MOVING ON TO ITEM H. RESOLUTION CC-12-02-24-07. 
          APPROVING TO TRANSFER FUNDS BEEN THE MOTOR VEHICLE FUND, ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT BUDGET NUMBER 2200 SPONSORS COUNSELORS SCHNEIDER, TAYLOR, AND WOREL. 
          GET A MOTION TO INTRODUCE? 
          >> INTRODUCE. ALL RIGHT. 
          >> IN THE 2024 MOTOR VEHICLE HIGHWAY 
          FUND. >> DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING. 
          ASKING FOR PERMISSION TO TRANSFER THIS MONEY. 
          HAVE NOT UNDERSPENT YET. PTO PAYOUT. 
          ANY QUESTIONS, COUNSELOR? 
          >> JUST A COMMENT. YOU GAVE US A FULL EXPLANATION, ANSWERED QUESTIONS, THAT MAKES THIS SO MUCH BETTER. I GOT TO GIVE YOU THE FACT THAT YOU ENDED UP BEING THE LAST ONE ON THE AGENDA, NO OFFENSE, BUT MAN, YOU DIDN'T DESERVE THAT SO THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. 
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IS AN ANNOUNCEMENT? ANY BUSINESS OR ANNOUNCEMENTS? 
          MOVING ON. >> I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          >> EARLIER THIS YEAR, I WILL PHRASES CAREFULLY. BECAUSE I DO 
          NOT WANT TO GET IN TROUBLE. >> ALL RIGHT. 
          AN INCIDENT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH BODIES ON THE GROUND. AND THIS WHOLE DIOCESE RIVETED. NOBODY COMMUNICATED ANYTHING WITH US ABOUT IT. WE WERE TOLD THAT WOULD NOT HAPPEN AGAIN. 
          AND THEN I■ GET A TEXT MESSAGE DURING THIS MEETING, DO NOT FORGET TO ASK ABOUT SOMETHING THAT WAS DISCOVERED. 
          VERY CLOSE, VERY CLOSE TO HERE. I WANT TO KNOW WHETHER THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN ADDRESS OR NOT. 
          >> WITHOUT A LITTLE MORE DETAIL, I AM NOT SURE. 
          >> A BODY DISCOVERED DOWN THE ROAD. 
          >> UNDERSTOOD . >> TERESA AND I BOTH GOT EMAILS AND PHONE CALLS. ONE WAS A NEXT-DOOR NEIGHBOR OF WHAT WAS FOUND. AND IT WAS FOUND ON CITY PROPERTY. I FEEL LIKE THAT SHOULD BE BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION. 
          >> YET BUT I APOLOGIZE THAT DID NOT MAKE IT TO YOU. 
          >> IT IS EMBARRASSING. THE DEAD BODY WAS FOUND IN THE HOUSE 
          NEXT TO THEM. >> I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR ON THE RECORD. THERE IS NO EXPECTATION . 
          >> I JUST DOUBLED ESTIMATE BECAUSE OF WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS SO SIMILAR -- CONTROVERSY, SO TO SPEAK THAT I WANT TO BE 
          CLEAR. >> THERE WOULD BE NONE IF WE 
          JUST WERE INFORMED. >> BECAUSE MY TEXT READS, WHAT YOU KNOW ABOUT THE DEAD BODY FOUND NEXT-DOOR? 
          >> TO THAT POINT, THERE IS , WE WERE TALKING TO THE MAYOR LAST WEEK. WE GET THE RAVE ALERTS FOR THERE WAS ANOTHER ALERTING SYSTEM SHE THOUGHT SHE WAS ADDED TO AS A COUNSELOR FOR THESE EVENTS WE WOULD HAVE AND WE WOULD GET MESSAGES ON. THIS GENERAL PUBLIC SAFETY EVENT BUT I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE -- . 
          SUPPOSEDLY THERE IS ANOTHER LEARNING SYSTEM WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET SIGNED UP FOR AS COUNSELORS. THAT TOO GETS 
          BESIDES THE RAVE ALERTS. >> I THINK YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS, CHIEF HAD A COUPLE OF TIMES I HAVE CALLED AND ASKED YOU QUESTIONS. THAT IS WHERE WE WILL START. 
          AND MUCH TO COUNSELOR SNYDER'S POINT THAT I WOULD RATHER HAVE A KEY BIT OF INFORMATION TO BE ABLE TO GIVE TO A CONSTITUENT RATHER THAN SPECULATE AND THEN HAVE TO CALL YOU AT 10:00 AT NIGHT LIKE I HAVE DONE BEFORE BUT I KNOW WE HAVE DISCUSSED IT. I THINK IT WOULD BE PRUDENT IF THESE TYPES OF THINGS, TO COUNSELOR SNYDER'S POINT . ROME IS GREAT HYSTERIA. WE WANT TO PREVENT THAT AT ALL COSTS. 20. 
          >> THANK YOU. I THINK EVEN IF IT IS SOMETHING YOU CANNOT TALK ABOUT, THERE WAS THIS INCIDENT BUT I'M NOT SURE OF THE DETAILS RIGHT NOW, BUT I WANT YOU TO BE AWARE OF IT. 
          FAST-FORWARD THE COMMENT TO WHOEVER YOU WANT TO MAKE COMMENTS OF. BUT NOT EVEN KNOWING ABOUT IT, I GUESS, THAT DOES NOT PUT US IN A GOOD POSITION. 
          >> THE TEXT WE GET , CAN WE SHARE THESE PUBLICLY? 
          >> THEY ARE PUBLIC. WHAT? LET'S JUST -- I AM SAYING, WE GOT , THIS COMES OUT AND IT TEXT AND IT HAS DETAILED. 
          >> THEY DON'T KNOW ENOUGH INFORMATION. 
          >> I NEED TO GET WITH YOU AND FIGURE OUT WHAT SUBSCRIPTION 
          [17. ANNOUNCEMENTS]
YOU HAVE TO GET THOSE TEXT ALERTS SO I CAN PASS THOSE 
          ALONG TO THE COUNSELORS . >> ANYTHING ELSE? ANY 
          ANNOUNCEMENTS? >> ONE REAL QUICK THAT I 
          APOLOGIZE. >> THE MAYOR ADVISORY COMMITTEE IS HOLDING THE AGE FRIENDLY BRAIN. OUT OF THE CONFERENCE AT THE PUBLIC LIBRARY. ON THURSDAY. ON WEDNESDAY , AT 
          [03:05:03]
9:30 A.M. UNTIL 4:30. IN A LARGE COMMUNITY ROOM. THE KEYNOTE SPEAKER WILL BE DR. -- RESEARCH SCIENTIST AT THE UNIVERSITY CENTER FOR AGING RESEARCH AND -- INSTITUTE. SO HOPEFULLY, THOSE
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