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          EVERYTHING ON THE DOCKET IS ON TONIGHT, RIGHT? OKAY. THE FIRST DOCKET UP IS ACTUALLY TWO DOCKETS, IT IS NUMBER PZ-2024- 00241 80 LS GRAMEREY MULTIFAMILY AND PZ-2024- 00242 DP GRAMEREY. 
          >> I CAN READ THIS AND IF YOU WOULD LIKE. 
          >> DID EVENING. 
          FOR THE RECORD WITH NELSON AND FRANKENBERGER, WE ARE PRESENTED TALKING TO HIM ¿ BUCKINGHAM . WITH THE OFFICE AND SEVERAL OTHER MEMBERS OF THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM. AS THE PLAN COMMISSION WILL RECALL, IT WAS A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS MATTER BACK IN FEBRUARY. AND ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WAS BROUGHT UP THAT WAS -- ONE ITEM, BUT UNRELATED TO THE REQUEST WAS AN INDIVIDUAL WHO WAS TO THE WEST SIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT. 
          SEVERAL COMMENTS ABOUT ITEMS THEY FELT LIKE NEEDED TO BE ADDRESSED RELATED TO THAT. ERIC REACHED OUT TO, NOT ONLY HIM, BUT TO STAFF AND OUTLINED THOSE ISSUES AND FOLLOWED UP WITH HIM VIA EMAIL. AND SPOKE ON THE PHONE TWICE AS LATE AS LAST FRIDAY FOR ABOUT 45 MINUTES. JUST TO WALK THROUGH THOSE ITEMS AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE BEING ADDRESSED TO THE FROM A COMPLIANCE STANDPOINT, BUT GETTING ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK FROM HIM ON THE THINGS THAT WERE HAPPENING, ONE OF WHICH ACTUALLY, SERGEI HAD BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION. WAS A TREE HAD FALLEN OVER I THINK IN A STORM OVER THE FALL OR WINTER, AND THAT WAS TAKEN CARE OF ABOUT A WEEK AFTER THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAD MET LAST. THE OTHER ITEMS ARE BEING ADDRESSED TO THE SATISFACTION OF STAFF AND I JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PRESENTATION. THIS IS MORE INFORMATION OR SETTING THE TABLE FOR TODAY'S DISCUSSION. THE SITE THAT WE ARE DOING WITH HIS PART OF THE OVERALL GRAMEREY THAT THE FULL SITE HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED AS A, THE HOMES IDENTIFIED IN ORANGE, THESE ARE THE DEVELOPMENT PLANS. THIS WILL BE THE LAYOUT THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL SEE FOR THE TOWNHOME DEVELOPMENTS, HOWEVER, WE WILL BE BACK IN FRONT OF THE COMMISSION LATER THIS SUMMER WITH THE 80 LS, OR THE ARCHITECTURE FOR THOSE SUBJECT TOWNHOMES SO THE PLAN COMMISSION WILL SEE THAT AT THAT TIME. THE AREA WILL BE BE 64 OF THE ADDITION ¿ EXISTING 128 APARTMENTS THAT OCCUPY THIS PROPERTY TODAY. AND THOSE ARE THE GRAY BUILDINGS , 123 AND FOUR. LIKEWISE, THOSE BUILDINGS WILL BE BACK IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION THIS SUMMER FOR THE 80 LS AMENDMENT. WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO FOR THOSE FOUR BUILDINS IS THEY ARE GOING TO MARRY UP THE ARCHITECTURE ON THOSE BUILDINGS, THE EXTERIORS, SO THAT THEY COMPLEMENT THE NEW BUILDINGS THAT ARE BEING CONSTRUCTED ON THE SITE THAT ARE IDENTIFIED AS SEE, AND THOSE ARE THE NEW BUILDINGS. WITH REGARD TO THOSE NEW BUILDINGS ON THE SITE, AS IDENTIFIED IN THE STAFF REPORT, THE PETITIONER WORKED WITH -- IT WAS RACHEL ON STAFF, AND I KNOW SHE IS NOT PRESENT THIS EVENING, BUT SHE HAS COMMUNICATED THAT BUCKINGHAM SATISFIED ALL OF THE MAJOR OUTSTANDING COMMENTS THAT STAFF HAD AND THERE WERE A COUPLE OTHERS THAT I CAN SHARE WITH YOU AND THAT ONE WAS IN REGARD TO LIGHTING AND THE OTHER WAS A PROPOSED BICYCLE PARKING. THIS IS A REVISED BUILDING FROM THE INFORMATION THE SUBMITTAL MADE BACK AT PLAN COMMISSION AND THEY HAVE TAKEN AND ADDED MASONRY AND DONE COLOR VARIATION WITH STAFF TO THEIR SATISFACTION AND LIKEWISE, THIS IS ANOTHER THREE-STORY BUILDING FROM A DIFFERENT ANGLE, PERSPECTIVE ON THE SITE THAT WAS MODIFIED BASED ON THE REQUIREMENTS THAT STAFF WANTED TO SEE IMPLEMENTED ON THE SITE. THE OTHER TWO ITEMS THAT WERE OUTSTANDING WAS ONE WITH REGARD TO BICYCLE PARKING AND WHERE THE ORDINANCE SPECIFIES THAT BICYCLE PARKING IS ENCOURAGED IN CERTAIN AREAS. STAFF WANTED TO SEE THAT IMPLEMENTED WITH GREATER SPECIFICITY THAN WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY PROVIDED. SO THE PETITIONERS PROVIDED BICYCLE PARKING. IT IS TOUGH TO SEE ON HERE, BUT THIS IS AN EXHIBIT THAT STAFF HAS. BICYCLE PARKING WILL BE SPREAD THROUGHOUT THE SITE ADJACENT AND IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO ALL THE BUILDINGS. 
          NOT JUST IN ONE LOCATION. THERE IS A GARAGE THAT WILL BE PROVIDED ON ONE OF THE ACCESSORY BUILDINGS WHERE PARKING IS PROVIDED, SO IT WILL TAKE AND CONVERT WHAT WOULD OTHERWISE BE 
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A LEASABLE BLOCKER, BUT THIS IS IN ADDITION TO THAT AT OTHER LOCATIONS THROUGHOUT THE SITE WHERE BICYCLE PARKING WILL BE PROVIDED. AND LASTLY WAS WITH REGARD TO LIGHTING. THIS IS A SITE LIGHTING DIAGRAM SPECIFICALLY STAFF WANTED TO SEE A MURAL AREA ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE AMENITY BUILDING ADDRESSED ON HOW THAT WOULD BE LIGHTED. WE WILL GET INTO THAT GRANULAR LEVEL OF DETAIL ON THE SITE LIGHTING, AND THAT WAS THE AREA WHERE YOU SEE THE ARROWS HERE LEADING TO IT FROM THIS AREA OF THE AMENITY BUILDING THROUGH THE PATTERN AND LIGHTING FIXTURES USED AT THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION. WITH THAT, WE WILL BE BACK IN FRONT OF THE PLAN COMMISSION IN THE NEXT MEETING LATER IN APRIL FOR THE FINAL ADOPTION CONSIDERATION OF THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN. BUT THOSE ARE ALL THE OUTSTANDING ITEMS THAT STAFF HAD IDENTIFIED, AND WE ARE COMFORTABLE IN RELATING TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT EVERYTHING IS ADDRESSED TO THE SATISFACTION OF THE DEPARTMENT AND WOULD ASK FOR THE COMMITTEE TO FORWARD US BACK FOR FINAL ACTION TWO WEEKS FROM THIS EVENING. THANK YOU. 
          >> DEPARTMENT? THANK YOU. PETITIONER DID A GOOD JOB GOING OVER THE PROJECT. THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN DOES CLOSELY FOLLOW WHAT WAS THE CONCEPT PLAN AS PART OF THE PUD, AS DOES THE ARCHITECTURE. WE BELIEVE THE PLANS COMPLY WITH ALL OF THE PUD REQUIREMENTS AND THEY ADDED, LIKE YOU SAID, THE LONG-TERM BIKE PARKING. ALL OF OUR ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMENTS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED AND AS YOU MENTIONED, THEY ADDED THE RICK BACKED SECOND-FLOOR AND AND WINDOWS AND TRANSITIONAL MATERIALS HAVE BEEN PROVIDED AND THE DOWNSPOUT COLORS HAVE BEEN REVISED TO MATCH THE BUILDING COLOR. HE ALSO PRESENTED TONIGHT THE BAR LIGHT FOR THE FUTURE CLUBHOUSE MURAL. SO WE WILL REVIEW THAT BEFORE THE NEXT PLAN COMMISSION MEETING. AND THEY HAVE ADDRESSED ALL OF OUR OUTSTANDING COMMENTS. I THINK THE OTHER ITEM WAS ENGINEERING REQUESTED NATIVE PLANTINGS SIGNAGE. INDICATING NO SPRAIN MOWING LIMITS TO BE ADDED. BUT THEY'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH US ON ALL OF THE PROJECT COMMENTS THAT UP TO THIS POINT THEY HAVE ADDRESSED EVERYTHING, AND WE ARE COMFORTABLE WITH THEM GOING BACK TO THE PLAN COMMISSION. WE WOULD RECOMMEND A VERBAL RECOMMENDATION BACK TO THE PLAN COMMISSION FOR A FINAL VOTE. 
          >> THANK YOU, DEPARTMENT. COULD YOU JUST ADDRESS THE LONG-TERM PARKING UNDER ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION , ESPECIALLY WHERE IT SAYS 18 GRUDGES ARE PROVIDED AND THE FORMULA THERE TO COME OUT FOR THIS NUMBER SPACES RECOMMENDED VERSUS THE NUMBER OF SPACES PROVIDED? HELP ME UNDERSTAND . IT IS LOOKING 
          LIKE IT IS 100 SPACES SHORT. >> AGAIN, THIS WAS THE SITUATION WHERE THE ORDINANCE DOES NOT HAVE A STANDARD, BUT THE STANDARD OF THE ORDINANCE TODAY IS ZERO. BUT IT IS RECOMMENDED THAT THERE WOULD BE AS MANY AS 267. WE MET WITH RACHEL AND THE ALTERNATIVE TRANSPORTATION COORDINATOR, AND THEY WERE AGREEABLE ON A PLAN BEING MIRRORED WHICH SHOWS THE 167 
          PRESENT PARKING SPACES. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          >> JOHN, QUICK QUESTION REGARDING THE OUTSTANDING ISSUES WITH THE WEEKLY DEVELOPMENT . YOU SAID THAT ALL OF THOSE ITEMS WERE DISCUSSED, AND TO THE SATISFACTION OF THE PEOPLE THAT 
          CAME AND SPOKE AT THE MEETING. >> EVERYTHING HAS NOT BEEN FINALIZED , BUT I HAVE GOT THE REPORT HERE THAT WAS SHARED WITH STAFF REGARDING STREETLIGHTS AND THE ACTION THAT BUCKINGHAM IS TAKING REGARDING THE STREETLIGHT REPLACEMENT AND LANDSCAPING THAT WAS BUILT IN AN AREA OF DISTRESS AND THEY WILL ADDRESS THAT THIS SPRING WITH THE OVER SEEDING OF THE PARTICULAR AREAS THAT HAD NOT TAKEN ROOT AS STRONGLY AS THEY WOULD WANT TO. THAT IS PREDOMINANTLY THROUGHOUT CLOSER TO THE NEAREST AREA OF EXPANSION, GENERALLY CENTRALLY LOCATED AND NORTH. THERE WAS ANOTHER INDICATION OF TREES THAT NEEDED TO BE REPLACED . IT IS AN INDICATION THAT THOSE 27 TREES WILL BE REPLACED AT THE END OF THE PLANTING SEASON SO THAT THEY ARE NOT AS HEAVILY STRESSED OVER THE SUMMER IF WE PLANT THEM EARLY OR THEY PLANT THEM EARLY, RATHER. AND THEN THERE WERE SOME DAMAGE CURBS AND OTHER THINGS THAT THEY WERE GOING TO MONITOR AND OUTLINE ANYTHING THAT WOULD GET HER ENGINEERING ON A REPLACEMENT SITUATIN THAT IS -- THE CURBS THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE WITHIN THE CITY'S 
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RIGHT-OF-WAY. SO WHEN THEY SEEK PUBLIC WORKS APPROVAL THEY WILL GO TO ENGINEERING, AND ENGINEERING WILL DO THE INSPECTION AND ANYTHING FOUND TO BE SUBSTANDARD THEY WOULD HAVE TO MITIGATE, EITHER REPLACING OR REPAIRING BEFORE THEY GOT THE PERFORMANCE BONDS RELEASED BY ENGINEERING, BUT IT WAS JUST A NOTE AGAIN BROUGHT UP BY THE NEIGHBORS. THEY WANTED TO SAY WHAT HAPPENS? HOW DOES THIS GET FIXED? WE EXPLAINED TO THEM HOW IT WOULD GET FIXED AND THE LAST WAS WITH REGARD TO LOW AREAS ALONG ULLMAN DRIVE, THAT CONNECTION BETWEEN THE OLD NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE WEST AND HOW WE ARE PICKING UP STORM WATER ALONG THAT EDGE BECAUSE THERE IS EXISTING ULLMAN DRIVE, AND THEN THE SIDEWALK IN THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT FACE ULLMAN DRIVE. BUT OF COURSE, WE DEVELOPED IT AT THE SAME TIME SO THAT THERE WERE SOME LOW AREAS AND THE NEED TO PICK THAT UP, SUBSURFACE DRAINS ARE MAKING SURE THINGS ARE CREATED PROPERLY TO BRING THE STORM WATER OFF OF THE SHOULDER OF THE ROAD AND INTO THE SITE, DISTRIBUTED INTO THEIR STORMWATER NETWORK. THOSE WERE THE FIVE ITEMS THAT A NEIGHBOR BROUGHT UP. 
          >> I LIKE TO THINK BUCKINGHAM FOR THEIR GOOD FAITH EFFORT TO MAKE THINGS RIGHT, SO THANK YOU. 
          >> TO FOLLOW ON SHANNON'S COMMENT, I APPRECIATE THE MITIGATED MEASURES. YOU TALKED ABOUT THE TIMELINE IF YOU WILL FOR THE TREES IN THE FALL. SOME ELEMENTS IN THE SPRING, I GUESS THEY ALL HAVE A CLEARLY DEFINED TIMELINE SO THEY ARE JUST NOT OUT THERE SO THAT WE CAN PUT THOSE TO BED . 
          >> HEY, ERIK DIRKS WITH BUCKINGHAM. I WAS GOING TO STAND UP AND CLARIFY WHAT I THOUGHT I HEARD JOHN SAY, WHICH WAS THAT WE WOULD BE PLANTING 27 TREES IN THE FALL BUT WE ACTUALLY PLANTED THEM LAST FALL. WE ARE WAITING FOR THEM TO SEE IF THEY SURVIVE THE DORMANT SEASON AND THEN REEVALUATE. THERE ARE ALSO SEVERAL COMMON AREAS THAT WERE AERATED AND OVER SEEDED AS PART OF THAT EFFORT LAST FALL BEFORE THIS ISSUE CAME UP BEFORE PLAN COMMISSION. SO SOME OF THESE MEASURES WERE KIND OF ALREADY IN PLACE AND WE ARE WAITING TO GET THROUGH WINTER TO SEE HOW MUCH OF THAT MATERIAL COMES OUT OF THE WINTER DORMANCY. SO OUR SITE SUPERINTENDENT IS GOING TO BE DOING A WALK NEXT WEEK WITH THE WEEKLY HOMES REPRESENTATIVE TO IDENTIFY FRACTURED CURBS, WHICH ONE YOU KNOW, THE BUILDER BREAKS AND WHICH ONES ARE NORMAL WEAR AND TEAR COVERED BY MAINTENANCE BONDS. THAT IS HAPPENING NEXT WEEK AND WE ARE WAITING FOR THE FULL LEAF OUT OF THE TREES IN THE GREENING OF THE GRASS BUT WE ARE KIND OF PREPARED WITH QUOTES TO RE-OVERSEE THOSE AREAS OR ANY OTHER AREAS THAT DID NOT COME OUT OF DORMANCY. WE ARE WAITING FOR THE SPRING BLOOM TO ADDRESS THOSE . ON THE LIGHTS, WE RECEIVED THE PARTS. THOSE WERE SPECIAL ORDERED PARTS. I GOT AN UPDATE LATE LAST WEEK THAT THOSE PARTS THEN HAD TO BE POWDER COATED. SO THEY WERE SO SPECIAL IT TOOK US A LONG TIME TO GET THEM, AND THEY WERE SO SPECIAL THAT WE THEN NEEDED TO POWDER COAT THEM TO MATCH THE LIGHT FIXTURE. SO THE PARTS ARE IN HAND, AND THEY SHOULD BE REPAIRED. IF THEY HAVE NOT HAPPENED -- ASKED FOR AN UPDATE TODAY. IF IT HAS NOT HAPPENED BY TODAY, IT IS WITHIN THE NEXT WEEK OR TWO THAT THEY WILL BE REPAIRED. 
          >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT UPDATE. I REALLY APPRECIATE IT, AND 
          IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS. >> FINGERS CROSSED. 
          >> THAT IS RIGHT. >> ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT JIM BROUGHT UP WHEN ERIC WAS PROVIDING AN EXPLANATION. AS I INDICATED, OTHER SECTIONS OF THE DEVELOPMENT, WHETHER THAT IS A BLS OR SECTIONS TO THE SOUTH WILL BE IN FRONT OF THE PLAN COMMISSION LATER THIS YEAR AND WE CAN PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON THE RESOLUTION AND COMPLETENESS OF THOSE PERMITS. 
          >> THAT WOULD BE GREAT, THANK YOU. 
          >> I WOULD MOVE THAT WE SEND THIS ITEM BACK TO THE FULL PLAN COMMISSION WITH A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION. 
          >> OKAY, I'M GOING TO STOP THAT FOR A SECOND BECAUSE I HAVE ONE THING TO SAY. I WAS TRYING TO BE POLITE HERE. I JUST WANTED TO REACH OUT, AND I KNOW I THINK IT WAS BETWEEN TOP FIVE, BUT THE LAST MEETING, CHRISTINE IS NOT HERE TONIGHT, SHE ASKED YOU TO COME BACK AND ACTUALLY GIVE AN IDEA OF HOW MUCH GREEN SPACE THERE IS IN THIS WHOLE DEVELOPMENT. AND I DID NOT HEAR 
          YOU SAY THAT. >> I WILL BRING AN ANSWER IF THAT IS ACCEPTABLE. DID NOT HAVE A NUMBER. 
          >> OKAY, AND I DON'T KNOW ABOUT IF THIS IS THE POINT OR WHEN IT COMES BACK LATER ABOUT AMENITIES IN THE PLAY AREA. YOU KNOW, THAT FORSTER RECOMMENDED ENHANCING RESIDENT AMENITIES AND I HAD NOT 
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HEARD ABOUT THAT AND ALSO IN THE KIDS PLAY AREA, WILL YOU HAVE MORE INFORMATION ON THAT? WHEN IT COMES BACK? 
          >> WE CAN PROVIDE IT, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT INFORMATION WAS PROVIDED TO STAFF. DO NOT THINK WE HAVE GONE THROUGH ANOTHER GENERATION OF PROJECT DOCS COMMENTS. BUT WE WILL FOLLOW TO MAKE SURE THOSE THINGS HAVE BEEN DONE TO HIS SATISFACTION IN TWO 
          WEEKS. >> OKAY, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. 
          OKAY, NOW THE MOTION -- AND YOU SECOND IT? OKAY, MOVED AND SECONDED TO MOVE THIS FORWARD TO FULL PLANNING COMMISSION, BOTH OF THESE DOCKETS. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. OPPOSED? IT MOVES FORWARD 5-0. THROUGH ME OFF. 
          >> THANK YOU. 
          >>> THE NEXT DOCKET THIS EVENING IS FOR NINE ¿ PZ-2025-, 
          >> EXCUSE ME FOR A MOMENT. WITHOUT A QUORUM FOR A MOMENT, NOW YOU ARE BACK. THANKS SO MUCH.BENJAMIN 
          [3. Docket No. PZ-2025-00028 ADLS Amend: Jacquie’s Catering]
          >> ALL RIGHT, WE WILL DO THIS AGAIN. THE NEXT ITEM THIS EVENING IS PZ-2025- 00028 A BLS AMEND TWO. THE APPLICANT SEEKS DESIGN APPROVAL FOR BUILDING MODIFICATIONS, A NEW ADDITION AND REDESIGN OF THE PARKING LOT. THE SITE IS LOCATED AT 4306 W. 
          96TH STREET AND IS ZONED B-2 AND INDUSTRIAL AND IS ALSO LOCATED WITHIN THE OVERLAY DISTRICT . FILED BY TRAVIS MARTIN OF A DAVIS LLC, AND I APOLOGIZE IF I -- OH, DID I? 
          >> GOOD EVENING . I REPRESENT TO GENERAL CONTRACTOR AND I HAVE WITH ME BILL TERRY WITH Y ENGINEERING AND LANCER ARCHITECTURAL AND CHRIS WHO ACTUALLY WORKS FORTWO. 
          JACQUIE'S CATERING IS CURRENTLY LOCATED AT 4306 W. 96TH STREET AND CAUGHT FIRE BACK IN APRIL OF LAST YEAR AND BURN DOWN AND WE ARE ACTUALLY BUILDING THAT PLACE TOO. SHE RELOCATED TO 4306 W. 
          96TH STREET, STARTED THE INTERIOR REMODEL ON THAT WHILE WE WORK THROUGH THE ADLS PROCESS. WHAT WE HAVE COME BEFORE YOU TO REQUEST IS BASICALLY TO -- LOOK AT THAT. I WILL MANAGE THIS. SO THIS WOULD BE THE NEW EXTERIOR. THE BUILDING IS CURRENTLY REALLY OLD AND WHITE. IT IS KIND OF FADED. 
          THIS WOULD BE THE NEW EXTERIOR DESIGN. AS YOU CAN SEE, IT IS A DARK GRAY COLOR AND MATCHES ALMOST THE DODGE DEALERSHIP UP THE ROAD AND UTILIZING THE CURRENT SIGNED THAT ALREADY EXISTS, REFACE IT AND PAINT IT AND MAKE IT PRETTY. THE BIG AREA BACK HERE, THIS IS THE NEW COOLER STORAGE WHICH WILL ACTUALLY BE ENCLOSED. AND THEN ALL THE EC UNITS CAN GO UP ON TOP OF THE BACK OF THAT. BACK HERE IS THE HVAC STUFF FOR THE HOODS . SO THIS WOULD BE THE EXTERIOR DESIGN OF THE OVERALL PROJECT. 
          DO YOU WANT TO SHOW THEM THE INTERIOR LANDSCAPING? THIS IS MY FIRST TIME EVER HAVING TO DO THIS, SO JUST BEAR WITH ME. 
          >> IS THERE ANYWAY WE CAN MAKE THIS ANY -- OKAY. SO WE WILL START ON THE LAKE CITY SIDE. THIS IS THE EAST SIDE OVER HERE. 
          A BUNCH OF LANDSCAPING. I HAVE HAD TWO MEETINGS WITH CHRISTINA AND JESSE WITHIN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND JOHN THOMAS A COUPLE TIMES AS WELL. JUST GOT APPROVAL FROM DARREN TODAY ON 
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THE LANDSCAPING. WHAT IS SHOWN HAS BEEN APPROVED BY HIM. 
          BASICALLY WE HAVE CONNECTIVITY WITH LAKE CITY, WHICH IS PART OF -- THERE IS AN EXISTING EASEMENT THEREFORE THE WE WILL SAY CONNECTIVITY FROM LOTS, LIKE CITY, JACQUIE'S TO ESTES'S PROPERTY. WE HAVE TRASH SITTING HERE FOR TRASH. AND WE HAVE REVAMPED SOME OF THE PARKING AREA THROUGH HERE AND MADE IT SMALLER . HER VANS WOULD BE PARKED BEHIND THE STORE HERE. SO THERE WILL BE FOUR TRUCKS BEHIND THERE AND WE ADDED LANDSCAPING AT THE REAR AND WE DO HAVE A CURB COMING AROUND TO THE BACK OF THE BUILDING THERE. WE ALSO ADDED THIS LITTLE ASPHALT PORTION TO GET FROM THE WEST LOT THROUGH THIS, THEY CALL IT 97TH STREET, BUT IT IS BACK TO AN ASPHALT ROADWAY RATHER THAN JUST GRAVEL. WE HAVE REDUCED THE WEST SIDE OF THE GRAVEL AND ADDED MORE TREES AND A BUNCH OF SHRUBS, AND THAT IS WHERE HER REMAINING TWO UP TO FOUR VANS WILL BE PARKED AS WELL. THAT IS A LITTLE BIT OF A NUTSHELL OF WHAT IS GOING ON. WE DO HAVE SOME OUTSTANDING COMMENTS, BUT WE HAVE ADDRESSED EVERYTHING. 
          JUST WAITING TO HEAR BACK FROM CROSSROADS AND JOHN THOMAS. 
          SO THE OTHER THING IS, WITH ZACH ESTES. I KNOW THAT CHRISTINA WANTS AN AGREEMENT FOR CONNECTIVITY BACK HERE AS I HAVE TOLD CHRISTINA TWICE , AND SEVERAL TIMES IN AN EMAIL, IT IS HARD TO HAVE A CIRCULATION PLAN UP HERE WHEN YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON UP HERE. SO YOU DO NOT KNOW WHERE A BUILDING WILL BE PLACED OR WHERE THE PARKING IS, SO WE ARE -- GIVE ME ONE SECOND HERE. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN READ THAT, BUT THERE IS A FUTURE 50 FOOT EASEMENT AGREEMENT AND TEMPORARY ACCESS AGREEMENT HERE. 
          WE DO HAVE THOSE IN PLACE. I DO GO IN FRONT OF THE BZA ON PARKING BECAUSE WE ARE SHORT STAFFED . BUT IT IS NOT LIKE THE RITZ WHERE YOU HAVE A BALLROOM, THIS IS BASICALLY, SHE IS DOING CATERING, COOKING IN THERE IF YOU WANT TO GO AND DO YOUR NEXT CATERING SERVICE, YOU COME IN AND TASTE YOUR FOOD AND YOU LEAVE. IT IS NOT LIKE A CAFÉ ON THE STREET. SO THAT IS THE AGREEMENT THAT ZACH AND BRIAN HAVE AGREED TO IS THE 50 FOOT IN THE BACK AND GIVING HER THE TEMPORARY ACCESS AGREEMENT. SO WHEN HE DOES SELL THIS REMAINING PARCEL THIS WILL ONLY INAUDIBLE ] AND BE CONNECTED FOR CARS. SO -- 
          HOPEFULLY THAT MADE ALL SENSE. >> IS THAT ALL? 
          >> THE BUILDING ITSELF HOUSES FIVE OFFICES, A TASTING ROOM, STORAGE AND THEN THE BACK OF THE BUILDING AWAY IS ALL THE KITCHEN. SO THOSE TWO ARE BASICALLY SEPARATED. SO YOU HAVE THE KITCHEN AREA IN THE BACK AND THEN BASICALLY OFFICES AND STORAGE. 
          >> OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          DEPARTMENT? >> THANK YOU. SO THIS IS A PROJECT, I MEAN AS TRAMPAS MENTIONED, THERE WAS A FIRE THAT CAUSED JACQUIE'S TO MOVE TO THE NEW LOCATION IN THE BUILDING STAFF AND PLANNING STAFF BOTH HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE PETITIONER AND THEIR DESIGN TEAM, THE PROJECT TEAM TO TRY TO MOVE THIS THING ALONG AS FAST AS POSSIBLE. AND THROUGH KINDS OF FITS AND STARTS WE ARE IN A GOOD SPOT AT THIS POINT. AND THE REMODEING PERMIT HAS BEEN ISSUED BY BUILDING SAFETY. YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE SCRAMBLED IN THE LAST WEEK OR SO TO GET US AN UPDATED PACKET AND GETTING THE LANDSCAPE PLAN APPROVED. THERE ARE OUTSTANDING QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE AND MAYBE THEY CAN ADDRESS THOSE TONIGHT ON THE RECORD REGARDING THE LIGHTING. 
          WE THINK THAT WE ARE STILL SHORT THE DETAILS, AND NOT SURE THE PHOTOMETRIC PLAN MEETS THE STANDARDS . THE TRAIL , THE BIKE PATH THAT IS IN THE EASEMENT, IT STRADDLES THE RIGHT-OF-WAY, SO WE NEED AN EASEMENT AGREEMENT FOR THE PATH ITSELF . I MEAN, IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS OKAY WITH THE RESPONSE TONIGHT ON THE SITE CIRCULATION PLAN AND THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT SOME MORE 
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TONIGHT AS WELL. CONFIRMATION ABOUT FENCING OR NO FENCING AND CLEARLY THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT IS GOING TO HAVE THE LAST WORD WITH THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT PLAN. 
          SO I KNOW THAT WE HAVE NOT REALLY HAD A CHANCE TO GO THROUGH ALL THE DRAWINGS THAT WERE UPLOADED LATE LAST WEEK . 
          AND THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO CONTINUE THIS , AND THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN TALK FURTHER ABOUT AS WELL. SO THANK YOU. 
          >> THANK YOU, DEPARTMENT. A COUPLE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE EASEMENT. SO I WANT TO BE CLEAR AND I UNDERSTAND THIS PROPERLY, YOU KNOW, ACCORDING TO THE UDO, THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO PARK THEIR CATERING TRUCKS IN THE PARKING LOT OVERNIGHT, SO WHERE -- ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING THERE, IS THAT WHERE YOU ARE PARKING THEM? HOW WILL THEY BE SHIELDED FROM -- 
          >> THE TRUCKS WILL BE BACK HERE , THE FOUR TRUCKS AND THEN THE VANS WILL BE OVER HERE AT NIGHTTIME ON THE WEST SIDE. 
          >> SO WITH THE EASEMENT, THERE IS NO LANGUAGE, I DID NOT FIND ANYTHING IN THE PACKET THAT HAS ANY LANGUAGE THAT IS A COMMITMENT. AND I'M NOT REALLY COMFORTABLE. PERSONALLY I'M JUST NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. I DIDN'T SEE ANY IN THE 
          COMMITMENTS. DID I MISS IT ? >> THAT IS THE FIRST I HAVE HEARD OF A COMMITMENT WHEN I GOT THE PACKET FROM CHRISTINA IN THE TWO MONTHS THAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT, IS HAVING THAT. 
          >> PLEASE PROVIDE A RECORDED COMMITMENT NOT TO STORE THESE 
          VEHICLES IN THE PARKING LOT. >> SHE WILL PROVIDE A 
          COMMITMENT. >> ALSO TO THE EASEMENT QUESTION THAT YOU HAD, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE EASEMENT IN THE BACK AS WELL, THAT THERE ARE WRITTEN COMMITMENTS ABOUT THAT MEANT. 
          >> AS FAR AS THE AGREEMENTS? >> YEAH. 
          >> YOU CANNOT PUT AN EASEMENT ON THE SAME PIECE OF PROPERTY. 
          ESTES OWNS OF BOTH. >> THAT IS RIGHT. 
          >> THAT IS WHY THE AGREEMENT IS THERE AND BRIAN TOO, HE DID SPEAK TO CHRIS DANA AT LENGTH ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO. I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED WITH THAT CONVERSATION. I DON'T KNOW. 
          >> I MEAN, I THINK CHRISTINE'S REPORT WAS -- I MEAN IF -- I'M 
          NOT AWARE OF THAT CONVERSATION. >> ZACH ESTES DID TELL ME THAT THERE WAS A CONVERSATION. THEY DON'T MIND PROVIDING THE AGREEMENTS, BUT THEY DON'T WANT TO BE STRANGLEHOLD ON WHAT THEY CAN DO FOR ZACH'S REMAINING PARCEL . AS YOU MAY PUT A BUILDING RIGHT HERE, AND THEN YOU -- SO WHOEVER BUILDS HERE, AND ZACH UNDERSTANDS THIS POINT HERE AND THAT POINT THERE, HE KNOWS THAT THOSE ARE HIS TWO POINTS OF CONNECTIVITY TO THIS PARCEL TO THE NORTH. SO WHEN HE DOES DEVELOP, HE SAID THAT HE WILL HIRE ME, SO I KIND OF KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON. SO THAT IS WHERE THAT ALL FALLS INTO PLAY. SO IF THERE IS AN AGREEMENT, THAT HAS TO BE DONE BETWEEN ESTES AND THE CITY OF CARMEL, OR SOMEHOW IN THIS APPROVAL PROCESS, THEN I DON'T KNOW WHAT BRIAN AND CHRISTINA TALKED ABOUT. I WAS NOT ON THAT CALL. 
          >> OKAY, MAYBE WE CAN DISCUSS THAT AT THE NEXT MEETING THEN. 
          >> WE WOULD LIKE TO GET AT LEAST A CONDITIONAL APPROVAL TO GET JACQUIE'S OPEN SOONER THAN LATER. YEAH, SO -- ZACH SAID HE WOULD DO ANYTHING, HE JUST DOES NOT WANT TO DO EASEMENTS. THAT IS THE ONLY THING. HE JUST DOES NOT WANT TO PROVIDE ALL THAT INFORMATION, BUT HE IS WILLING TO DO WHAT WE DID HERE ON THE SKETCH, SHOWING THE 50 FOOT AND THE TEMPORARY. 
          >> COMMISSIONER MINNAAR? >> IT DOES REQUIRE PETITION AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD WORK WITH THE PETITIONER ON TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE LOCATIONS, ACCESS POINTS WOULD BE RESPECT DID AND ACCESS WOULD BE CONTINUED. SO I DON'T THINK WE 
          HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT . >> THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          >> THERE IS AN ACCESS AT THE NORTHEAST, THAT IS NOT AN ACCESS EASEMENT. THAT IS RECORDED AT LIKE CITY BACK 10 YEARS AGO. SO 
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THAT IS NOT WITHIN AN EASEMENT. THE ONLY THING, THIS IS NOT INAUDIBLE ] EASEMENT. WE ARE IN AGREEMENT. IT WAS ALSO TALKS ABOUT THE TRAIL , SO DOWN HERE HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW, THERE IS A 12 FOOT EASEMENT THAT ENCUMBERS THE TRAIL. SO WE WILL HAVE THAT DONE . I JUST GOT AN EMAIL WITH THE EXHIBIT AND THE DESCRIPTION FOR THAT , SO -- WHAT ELSE? LIGHTING. SO I GOT THIS BACK FROM RUSS MILLER. SO THERE ARE 18 FOOT POLES, SO IT WILL BE 20 FOOT TALL, THE TWO SIGNS WHERE THE TWO LIGHTS WILL HAVE ONE, IT IS ON THE WEST AND YOU WILL HAVE ONE ON THE EAST. 
          THE WALL PACKS, THOSE ARE GONE. IT IS KIND OF HARD TO READ. SO WE WILL NEED THE 0.3 FOOTCANDLES AT THE PROPERTY LINES. 
          >> TYPICALLY WE WOULD SEE WHAT THE FIXTURES LOOK LIKE, AND SO WE WILL JUST WORK WITH THEM . AND TO GET THOSE DETAILS. 
          >> THOSE DETAILS WERE UPLOADED TO PROJECT DOCS LAST WEEK. 
          >> WE WILL REVEAL -- REVIEW THOSE DETAILS AND SIGN OFF. 
          YEAH. >> LANDSCAPING APPROVED AND SIGNAGE WILL BE DONE BY OTHERS. 
          WE DO KNOW ABOUT THE THROW FAIR FUND, BECAUSE WE DO NOT DO THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF THE TRAIL SO THERE WILL BE A FUND PAID FOR BY JACQUIE'S. THAT WAS DONE WITH CHRISTINA'S APPROVAL, HER BLESSING. IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE WITH ALL THE UTILITIES, SO -- IT IS KIND OF A TOUGH SITE . EXTREMELY TOUGH SITE . 
          >> IT IS AN IMPROVEMENT THOUGH. >> YES, IT IS. 
          AND NO FENCING . >> THE ONLY SITE SIGNAGE ON THE 
          BUILDING? I-6? >> IT WILL BE RIGHT THERE. 
          >> OKAY, THANK YOU. MIKE IS -- UNDER THESE FOLKS MAY HAVE TO GO SEE THE BZA REGARDING THE PARKING. IS THE STAFF SUPPORTIVE, AND SUPPORTIVE, NEUTRAL ON THE PARKING TOPIC? 
          >> I THINK THAT WE ARE COMFORTABLE WITH YOU KNOW, THE INTENSITY OF USE AND HOW IT MEASURES UP WITH YOU KNOW, THE PARKING . YOU KNOW, PROBABLY THE BIGGEST ISSUE HAS BEEN , YOU KNOW, WITH THE TRUCK PARKING, MAKING SURE THAT IS WHY TO BE LOCATED YOU KNOW, NOT AS A SIGN, AND YOU KNOW, KIND OF TUCKED AWAY. IT SOUNDS LIKE WE ARE HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION 
          WITH THAT. >> JUST ONE OTHER THOUGHT OR QUESTION. IT LOOKS LIKE THE CONNECTIVITY TO THE PARKING ON THE WEST AND THE TEMPORARY EASEMENT THAT GOES UP TO 97TH STREET OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE, WAS THERE SOME NOTION THAT THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN CONNECTIVITY TO THE WEST INSTEAD OF THE NORTH? 
          >> THEY DO NOT OWN THE PROPERTY TO THE WEST. ESTES DOESN'T. 
          >> OKAY. WELL, I GUESS I'M THINKING OF YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE MADE CONNECTIONS TO THE BANK AND YOU DON'T ON THAT PROPERTY. I GUESS MAYBE THAT WAS ALREADY IN PLACE. I DID NOT KNOW, IF THIS IS A NEW CONNECTION, WAS THERE SOME OTHER WAY TO SKIN THAT CAT? 
          >> THE NORTHEAST, THAT WAS DONE IN 2015 DURING THE LAKE CITY PLANNING. THIS YEAR WAS JUST -- WE CANNOT GO TO THE WEST. WE HAD TO GET SANITARY EASEMENT . YOU CAN SEE THE DASHED LINES THAT GO BACK BEFORE THE STATION. BUT ZACH'S -- I HAVE HAD NUMEROUS CALLS WITH HIM. HE THOUGHT THIS WOULD BE THE BEST, TO GIVE THAT AGREEMENT IN A REAR RATHER THAN SOMETHING IN THE MIDDLE, BECAUSE HE DID NOT WANT SOMETHING PLACED IN THE MIDDLE AND HE HAS SOME THEY COME IN AND SAY I WANT TO BUILD A THREE-STORY APARTMENT OR NOT APARTMENT, BUT COMMERCIAL BUILDING OR WHATEVER. SO THAT IS WHY HE SAID LET'S MOVE THE 50 FOOT IN THE BACK AND GO FROM THERE. BUT YEAH, THEY DON'T OWN ANYTHING TO THE WEST AND THAT GETS BACK OUT TO 97TH STREET. WHEN THIS DOES DEVELOP, IF IT LOOKS RIGHT YOU WILL SEE PARKING STALLS , AND A DRIVE AISLE AND IT WILL CONNECT BACK UP TO THERE. 
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          >> WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT OWNERSHIP TO THE WEST. THERE IS SOME TYPE OF CROSS ACCESS THERE TODAY. 
          >> PEOPLE ARE DRIVING AND THAT IS WHAT WILL HAPPEN. AND IT WILL JUST BE JACQUIE'S EMPLOYEES THAT WILL BE USING THAT. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THE AERIAL, THIS IS LIKE A RACE TRACK FROM HERE OUT TO 96TH STREET AND THEY JUST FLY THROUGH HERE. WHICH I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE. YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IT THROUGH THERE. THEY JUST DRIVE THROUGH. 
          >> MADAM CHAIR, MAY I? SO WHEN YOU GO TO THE BZA TO PRESENT THE PARKING, THE PARKING VARIANCE, WILL YOU HAVE THOSE COMMITMENTS FROM JACQUIE'S? I WILL JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR. 
          >> YEAH, ZACH WILL BE HERE AND BRIAN AS WELL. 
          >> THAT IS GREAT. AND THIS MAY BE A QUESTION FOR LEGAL, BUT WHEN THIS, IF THIS VARIANCE IS ADOPTED AND IF IT IS ADOPTED, IF SOMEONE WERE TO -- MINNAAR DECIDES TO SELL OR CLOSE UP SHOP, WITH THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING, WOULD YOU HAVE TO GO BACK TO BZA FOR LESS PARKING OR IS THIS GRANDFATHERED IN AFTER 
          THAT? >> BASICALLY. 
          >> PLEASE, IF YOU DON'T MIND, THANK YOU. 
          AND THEN THE LAST QUESTION, YOU SAID IT WAS IN THE PACKET, THE FIXTURES FOR THE LIGHTING, THE POLLS AND ALL THAT? 
          >> YES, THAT WAS UPLOADED TO PROJECT DOCS LAST WEEK . I DON'T ¿ THEY ARE L.E.D. LIGHTS, REAL SMALL IS WHAT THEY ARE. I 
          SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT ¿ >> SO THIS IS NOT A RESTAURANT AT ALL, RIGHT. AND DID YOU CONFIRM ABOUT THE FENCING TODAY ? THERE IS NO FENCING? OKAY. AND YOU HAVE THE LANDSCAPING APPROVED? OKAY. AND THE SIGNAGE AND THE LIGHTING YOU ARE WORKING ON. GOING TO THE BZA , IF NOBODY HAS ANY OTHER COMMENTS, DOES 
          ANYONE WANT TO MAKE A MOTION. >> I WAS GOING TO ASK BUT MAYBE YOU TOUCHED ON IT AND I WAS LOOKING AT SOME OTHER NOTES, BUT ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT STAFF NOTED WAS TO PROVIDE ENGINEERING STAFF WITH A STORM WATER POLLUTION PREVENTION PLAN INAUDIBLE ] WHAT IS GOING ON THERE? 
          >> ON SMALL PROJECTS WE COMBINE THIS WITH THE DEMO IN THE ONE SHEET. CROSSROADS DOES NOT LIKE THAT. SO TODAY WE SEPARATED THEM APART. I HAVE THE DRAINAGE MEMO, IT IS BASICALLY A THREE-PAGE DRAIN REPORT ON MY EMAIL THAT CAME ACROSS AT 6:00. THAT WILL BE GOING TO CROSS OVER TO CROSSROADS. I SAT DOWN WITH JOHN THOMAS TWO WEEKS AGO AND BASICALLY FOLLOWED EVERYTHING THAT HE TOLD ME TO DO ON THE DRAINAGE MEMO. IT IS THE PRE-AND THE POST. WE DECREASED SMALL SITE LIKE THIS WAS -- BUT IT IS NOT A WALMART PARKING LOT 
          EITHER. >> ANYONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? 
          >> IS THE RECOMMENDATION STILL TO MOVE THIS TO THE MAY 
          COMMITTEE ? >> I MEAN THE STAFF REPORT HAS NOT REALLY CHANGED. I DO THINK , GIVEN THE ACTIVITY AND THE RECENT SUBMITTALS , YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE OUTSTANDING ISSUES HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED. I THINK THAT AS LONG AS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE CONDITIONS RELATED TO THE OUTSTANDING ISSUES OF PROJECT DOCS, WHICH THERE ARE STILL QUITE A FEW OF THOSE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A COUPLE WEEKS ¿ WELL, YEAH. WE WILL JUST CONTINUE TO WORK THROUGH THOSE WITH THEM IF THAT IS , IF THE PROJECT IS GOING TO GET APPROVED TONIGHT. AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THE CONDITION OF THE VARIANCE NEEDS TO BE GRANTED AS WELL. 
          >> SO WE COULD, IT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE TO MOVE THIS TO THE FULL PLAN COMMISSION , CONTINGENT UPON ALL OUTSTANDING ISSUES BEING RESOLVED PRIOR TO 
          THE COMMISSION MEETING? >> BECAUSE THIS IS AN ADLS COMMITMENT IT DOESN'T REALLY HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE PLAN 
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COMMISSION. I GUESS THAT COULD BE AN OPTION, THAT IF YOU WANTED TO SEND IT BACK TO THE FULL COMMISSION, GIVE US A COUPLE WEEKS TO WORK THROUGH SOME OF THESE. YOU KNOW, CHRISTINE AND JESSE HAVE BEEN THE PLANNERS ASSIGNED TO THIS. YOU KNOW, SHE HAS THE INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE AND COULD KIND OF GO THROUGH THE UPDATED PACKET AND KIND OF HELP FACILITATE RESOLUTION OF SOME OF THE OUTSTANDING ISSUES , OR YOU COULD JUST MAKE IT CONDITIONAL 
          APPROVAL TONIGHT. >> YOU REMIND ME OF WHEN THE BZA MEETING IS? THAT IS AFTER -- 
          >> YEAH, APRIL 28TH. 
          >> APRIL 28TH. 
          >> ALL RIGHT, DO YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION AGAIN? 
          >> I WILL MAKE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR FOR DISCUSSION IN CASE SOMEONE WANTS TO AMEND IT. SO I WOULD MOVE THAT WE CONDITIONALLY APPROVED THIS TONIGHT, SUBJECT TO ALL OUTSTANDING CONCERNS BEING RESOLVED BETWEEN THE PETITIONER AND THE DEPARTMENT. 
          >> AND THE BZA. >> AND THE BZA. 
          >> I WILL SECOND. >> YEAH, I AM INTRIGUED BY THE MOTION AND MOVING THIS FORWARD. THIS DOES GIVE TIME FOR CHRISTINA AND STAFF TO WORK WITH PETITIONER. AND I GUESS BY ALL MEANS, WORK THINGS OUT WITH HER AND GET THIS KIND OF IN GOOD SHAPE SO THAT BY THE TIME YOU GET TO THE BZA THERE IS ONLY ONE OUTSTANDING ISSUE. 
          >> OKAY, WHO IS THE SECOND? IT HAS BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED THAT THIS COMMITTEE APPROVED THIS ADLS THIS EVENING. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. OPPOSED? IT MOVES FORWARD, 5-0. 
          OKAY, THE NEXT ITEM THIS EVENING, THERE ARE 11 DOCKETS IN THIS COMBINED MEETING PART, AND I'M JUST GOING TO READ THE 
          DOCKET NUMBER. >> I THINK WE NEED TO DO NUMBER FOUR FOUR U.S. 421, ITEM NUMBER FOUR. 
          AND THEN WE CAN DO ALL 11 OF THE DOCKETS. 
          >> I'M SORRY, I HAD THEM BACKWARDS. 
          >> THAT IS OKAY. 
          [4. Docket No. PZ-2024-00222 PUD: US 421-WCD PUD Rezone.]
          >> OKAY. THE NEXT DOCKET THIS EVENING IS PZ-202400222 PUD U.S. 421 REZONED. IS THE PETITIONER READY? 
          >> YES, THANK YOU. AGAIN FOR THE RECORD WITH NELSON & FRANKENBERGER AND WE REPRESENT MIKE GORMAN AND NATE ANDERSON, SORRY. LOTS OF DIFFERENT NAMES. JIM SHIVAVER IS ALSO PRESENT THIS EVENING TO ADDRESS QUESTIONS. WHAT I WANTED TO DO THIS EVENING, THERE WERE A FEW ITEMS AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE PLAN COMMISSION MEETING, STAFF HAD YET TO RECEIVE AND THEY RECEIVED RESPONSES TO ALL THOSE ITEMS AGAIN. WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH STAFF AFTER THE HEARING THIS EVENING TO COME BACK TO YOU AT YOUR MAY COMMITTEE MEETING WITH THOSE ITEMS RESOLVED. AND IF WE USE THE STAFF REPORT AS A GUIDE, ONE OF WHICH JUST TO SET THE STAGE AGAIN FOR THE DISCUSSION, THE SITE IS LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF MICHIGAN ROAD NORTH OF 99TH STREET AND THIS IS RETAIL PARKWAY ALONG THE PERIMETER ALONG THE SOUTH AT FLOWER PARK DRIVE ON MICHIGAN ROAD AGAIN. 
          THE LAYOUT OF THE SITE THAT WE REVIEWED AT THE LAST MEETING IS SHOWING HERE. THERE ARE SEVEN TOTAL BUILDINGS THAT INCLUDE 
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MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT AND THESE THREE BUILDING SITUATED HERE ARE FOUR STORY BUILDINGS. THE FOUR BUILDING SITUATED HERE ARE THREE-STORY BUILDINGS AND THEN THERE IS A RETAIL SPACE OR COMMERCIAL SPACE THAT WOULD EXIST FOR ANY MICHIGAN ROAD. ONE OF THE ITEMS -- THE FIRST ITEM WAS IN REGARDS TO PROVIDING ARCHITECTURAL TEXT. THIS IS ONE OF THE VARIOUS ILLUSTRATIONS THAT WE PROVIDED AT THE LAST MEETING AND WALKED THROUGH WITH THE STAFF, WHAT THEY HAD REQUESTED WAS TEXT BE ADDED TO THE ORDINANCE IN ADDITION TO THE CHARACTER EXHIBITS TO PROVIDE FOR ARCHITECTURE THAT WAS OF THE CHARACTER AND QUALITY ILLUSTRATED HERE. THE ARCHITECT PUT THAT TOGETHER AND WE SUBMITTED TO STAFF AND WORKED WITH THEM IN THE COMING COUPLE WEEKS BEFORE WE TURN BACK TO THE NEXT MEETING. OUR GOAL WOULD BE TO HAVE THAT RESOLVED TO STAFF SATISFACTION BEFORE WE CAME TO YOUR NEXT MEETING. SO THAT WILL BE COMPLETED . THE NEXT ITEM, ITEM NUMBER TWO IS IN REGARDS TO SIDEWALKS AND PATHS AND WE HAVE SUBMITTED THAT TO STAFF AND THIS IS A SEPARATE EXHIBIT THAT THE PLAN COMMISSION HAS NOT SEEN. I WANT TO GET THAT OUT IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY AND THIS IS ONE THAT WE PROVIDED TO STAFF AT THE END OF LAST WEEK AFTER THE FIRST PLAN COMMISSION MEETING, AND THE AREA IN BLUE IDENTIFIES EXISTING SIDEWALKS HERE, POSITIONED ALONG THE NORTH. THE PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY PROVIDED ACROSS THE WATER AMENITY HERE AND THE DOTS OR THE IDENTIFICATION ON THE PLAN IDENTIFIES WHERE THEY WILL BE DIFFERENT PEDESTRIAN AMENITIES ON THE PLAN . THE THIRD QUESTION THAT CAME UP WAS IN REGARD TO THE PRESERVATION AREA THAT WOULD EXIST ALONG THE WESTERN PERIMETER OF THE SITE. THE QUESTION WAS, CAN WE MAKE IT BIGGER? THE PETITIONER CAN AND HAS IDENTIFIED THE 1.5 ACRE AREA, AND WE HAVE INCREASED THAT TO TWO ACRES AND WE INCREASED IT IN ADDITION TO BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE THE FOLLOWING. AND YOU DON'T SEE IT, BUT IT IS A BLOWUP OF WHERE THIS IS IDENTIFIED HERE AS A PEDESTRIAN AMENITY. SO AS A MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT, THEY HAVE CERTAIN OBLIGATIONS REGARDING ADA ACCESS , SO WE CANNOT PRODUCE A PATH THROUGH THE WOODED AREA, BUT WHAT WE ARE DOING, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THERE WOULD BE A SIDEWALK THAT CONNECTED ALL THE WAY AROUND THE BUILDING, AND THEN THIS ILLUSTRATION HERE SHOWS THE BACKSIDE OF THE BUILDING AND A COUPLE BALCONIES ON THE BUILDING, AND IT SHOWS US PROJECTING OUT INTO THAT SPACE WHAT AMENITIES FROM A PEDESTRIAN STANDPOINT WOULD BE INTRODUCED. SO IT IS NOT JUST THE RESIDENTS WHO LIVE IN THOSE UNITS THAT FACE THE SPACE THAT WOULD BE ENGAGED IN IT. THIS WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO ALL RESIDENTS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY SO THAT WE ARE ENGAGING THAT WOODED SPACE. 
          IF THEY DECIDE TO WALK INTO THE WOODS, THAT IS NOT A PROBLEM, THERE WILL NOT BE A DEFINED TRAIL OR PATH THAT PROJECTS INTO THAT SPACE. 
          THIS IS AN EXHIBIT THAT WE SHARED AT THE INITIAL MEETING BUT IT HELPS US IDENTIFY AND RESPOND TO THE NEXT QUESTION AND THE NEXT QUESTION WAS PROVIDING A CROSS-SECTION OF THE MAIN NORTH-SOUTH AND THE OTHER BOULEVARD THROUGH THE SITE . 
          THIS WILL BE OUTBACK LANE OR WHAT WE HAVE IDENTIFIED AS OUTBACK LANE WHICH IS ACTUALLY RETAIL PARKWAY. RETAIL PARKWAY WILL EXTEND INTO THE SITE IN TROUBLE THROUGH THE SITE AND CONNECT UP HERE WITH 99TH STREET. THIS WILL BE A PUBLICLY DEDICATED RIGHT-OF-WAY. ANOTHER STREET SEGMENT, WHICH IS THE ONE THAT YOU SEE NOT ILLUSTRATION IS HERE BETWEEN BUILDINGS B AND C. 
          AND THAT WILL BE THE BOULEVARD ILLUSTRATED HERE. STAFF HAD ASKED FOR AND WE PROVIDED AN ADDITIONAL ILLUSTRATION OF THE CROSS-SECTION OF THAT BOULEVARD. AND THE END RESULT WILL BE, AS YOU SEE THERE, CONSTRUCTED THROUGH THE SITE ON THE NORTH SOUTH PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY AND THE EAST-WEST PRIVATE DRIVE THAT EXISTS BETWEEN BUILDING B AND BUILDING C. THIS IS WHAT WE SHOULD LET THE LAST MEETING. THIS PROVIDES SPECIFICITY AND IT IS PROVIDED TO STAFF AND REVIEW AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO COORDINATE WITH STAFF AND COME BACK TO YOU WITH A FINAL SUBMITTAL ORDINANCE AS WELL AS EXHIBITS THAT SPEAK TO ADDRESSING THAT QUESTION. 
          THAT IDENTIFIED A RESPONSE TO ITEM 4 AND ITEM 6, AND I WILL LEAVE THIS NEXT ONE FOR THE CONCLUSION OF THE DISCUSSION. 
          BUT ANOTHER ITEM, THIS IS ITEM 7. PLEASE ADD A SIGNALIZED CROSSWALK TO ALLOW RESIDENTS TO SAFELY CROSS THE ROAD AND IN COMMUNICATIONS THAT OCCURRED WITH ENGINEERING AND THE CITY'S CHIEF INFRASTRUCTURE OFFICER, EDWARD ROSE IS AGREEABLE TO PROVIDING A CROSSWALK THAT WOULD EITHER BE LOCATED AT 99TH STREET HERE, OR AT RETAIL PARKWAY , IDENTIFIED HERE. THE CITY IS 
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CURRENTLY NEGOTIATING WITH THE STATE IN OBTAINING APPROVALS FOR CROSSWALKS TO BE AT 96 STREET AS WELL AS 116TH STREET. THOSE ARE OFF-LINE, BUT I WANTED TO INFORM THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THAT OCCURRING AND JEREMY SAID HE WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF AN ADDITIONAL CROSSWALK TO BE CONSTRUCTED AND WE WILL INCLUDE THAT IN OUR SUBMITTAL AND EITHER BE THE APPLICANT TO THE STATE OR THE CITY WILL BE THE APPLICANT TO THE STATE AND WE WILL SUPPORT THAT APPLICATION FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A CROSSWALK AT ONE OF THOSE TWO LOCATIONS AND IT WILL BE PART OF OUR PROJECT, OUR PROPOSAL. AGAIN, BUT IT DEPENDS ON HOW THE APPLICATION SEQUENCING FALLS. IT IS EITHER THE CITY OR THE PETITIONER OR THE STATE BUT WE WILL ANSWER THAT CAUSE. ITEM 8 WAS PLEASE INVESTIGATE A MINIMUM NUMBER OF AFFORDABLE UNITS WITHIN THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. EDWARD ROSE DOES NOT HAVE EXPERIENCE IN THAT SPACE. THEY MARKET RATE MULTIFAMILY AND THEY ARE NOT SEEKING ANY SUBSIDY OR PARTICIPATION FROM A LOCAL MUNICIPALITY OR THE COUNTY IN PRODUCING SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE BELOW MARKET RATE AND THEREFORE EDWARD ROSE IS NOT PROPOSING ANYTHING FROM AN AFFORDABLE , FEDERALLY REGULATED STANDPOINT. ITEM NUMBER NINE WAS PLEASE UPDATE THE PUD TO INAUDIBLE ] BICYCLE PARKING. AS I EXPLAINED IN THE OTHER PETITION, THE STANDARDS IN THE ORDINANCE ARE WE ENCOURAGE LONG-TERM BICYCLE PARKING. STAFF IS IN ESSENCE ASKING THE PETITIONER AND THE PETITIONER HAS AGREED TO CODIFY THAT AS A REQUIREMENT OTHER THAN ENCOURAGEMENT. IN THIS CASE, WE ARE PROPOSING TO PROVIDE THE REQUISITE NUMBER OF LONG-TERM BICYCLE PARKING SPACES THAT IS ENCOURAGED UNDER THE ORDINANCE. 
          THAT NUMBER, RATHER THAN A REDUCED NUMBER. LASTLY, STAFF HAD ASKED, AND THIS JUMPS BACK TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE, PROVIDING CONCEPTUAL RETAIL LAYOUT TO SHOW HOW IT COULD INTEGRATE WITH THE WALKABLE DESIGN OF THE APARTMENTS AND PROVIDE CERTAIN LAYOUT DESIGNS FOR THE RETAIL AREA. WE HAVE PROVIDED THAT IN TEXT AND WE PROVIDED EXHIBITS AS WELL AND USE RESTRICTIONS. AND TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT, I WANT TO FIRST BACKUP . THERE IT IS. 
          SO FIRST WE PROVIDED THIS PLAN THAT SHOWS PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY. WE HAVE CROSSWALKS DESIGNED AND SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES AND THERE IS AN EXISTING PATH ALONG MICHIGAN ROAD AND ALONG 99TH STREET. SO FROM A PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY STANDPOINT, THE COMMERCIAL AREA IS FULLY INTEGRATED INTO THE OVERALL PLAN. THAT IS PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY, AND THEN WE ALSO PROPOSED TO RESTRICT USES ON THE SITE SO WE DO NOT HAVE AUTOMOBILE RELATED USES. AUTOMOBILE SALES, THINGS LIKE THAT. THERE WILL NOT BE -- THIS IS, ¿ NOT CURRENTLY WRITTEN AND, WE WILL PROHIBIT A FREESTANDING BUILDING WITH A DRIVE-THROUGH SO WE GET AWAY FROM THINGS LIKE A SINGLE USE DRIVE-THROUGH. THERE MAY BE, AND WE HAVE PROVIDED OTHER EXAMPLES, WHERE THROUGHOUT CARMEL THERE ARE MULTIPLE TENANT BUILDINGS WITH THE ENDCAP WITH THE BUILDING ON IT RIGHT HERE ON RANGELINE.  WE HAVE THE BUILDING AT THE CORNER AND THERE IS A ENDCAP AT THAT AND OTHER EXAMPLES. AND STAFF WILL REVIEW THAT AND REPORT BACK TO THE PLAN COMMISSION THAT HAVE ADDRESSED THAT ITEM ALONG WITH THEM WHEN WE COME BACK IN MAY. A COUPLE OTHER THINGS RESULTED IN THESE EXAMPLES THAT WE PROVIDED TO STAFF AT DIFFERENT LOCATIONS . 
          AND WE WANTED TO GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM THE PLAN COMMISSION. THIS IS AN ILLUSTRATED PLAN OF THE SITE AND THEY WOULD BE PULLED UP TO MICHIGAN ROAD WITH ONE OF THE THINGS WE AGREED TO, THE BUILDINGS WILL BE PULLED UP TO THE RIGHT-OF-WAY, SO THERE WILL NOT BE PARKING BETWEEN THE BUILDING AND THE STREET. STAFF HAD INTRODUCED US AN IDEA THAT WE CONSIDERED NOT FRONTING MICHIGAN ROAD THAT INTERNAL TO THE SITE, AND THEY ALSO RECOMMENDED THAT WE PROVIDE SOME TERMINUS TO THE VEHICULAR WALK, THE CONNECTION THAT IS HERE IN THE BOULEVARD, SO WE ARE BEGINNING TO THINK ABOUT HOW WE DO THAT AND HOW WE ADDRESS IT. ONE OF THE ITEMS WAS TO ELIMINATE THE POTENTIAL FOR THERE TO BE A FREESTANDING BUILDING WITH A DRIVE-THROUGH AND THE OTHER WAS TO PERHAPS PROVIDE A PUBLIC PLAZA SPACE. WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT 2500 SQUARE FEET. I CANNOT TELL YOU WHERE IT IS LOCATED TODAY BECAUSE WE DO NOT HAVE A COMMERCIAL DESIGNER DESIGNING HOW IT ORIENTS, BUT THE THOUGHT PROCESS WAS TO ENHANCE THE CONNECTIVITY AND THE 
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ENGAGEMENT OF RESIDENCE OR EXCUSE ME, PEOPLE NOT IN VEHICLES. I THINK THE INCLUSION INTO THE REQUIREMENT FOR A 2500 SQUARE FOOT PLAZA SPACE ATTACHED TO THIS WOULD BE APPROPRIATE, AND THEN AGAIN, WE WANTED TO GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON WHETHER OR NOT YOU THOUGHT A POSITIONING OF BUILDINGS FRONTING MICHIGAN ROAD WAS THE RIGHT APPROACH OR INTERNAL TO THE SITE YOU KNOW, ON THE NORTH OR SOUTH DRIVES FACING MULTIFAMILY WAS ANOTHER CONSIDERATION. AS YOU LOOK UP AND DOWN 96 STREET, THE STANDARDS OF THE OVERLAY ONLY PERMITTED TWO ROWS OF PARKING BETWEEN THE BUILDING AND THE STREET AND PREDOMINANTLY, I THINK WITH SOME EXCEPTIONS , MOST BUSINESSES DO THAT.  THEY HAVE ONE OR TWO ROWS OF PARKING BETWEEN THE BUILDING AND MICHIGAN ROAD. SOME ARE PULLED RIGHT UP TO THE STREET, BUT I THINK THAT IS THE EXCEPTION TO THE RULE, BECAUSE THE REQUIREMENT WAS A MAXIMUM OF TWO ROWS OF PARKING. BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT JUST CAME ABOUT YESTERDAY AND WE WANTED TO PAY RESPECT TO STAFFS COMMENT IN THAT REGARD AND GET FEEDBACK SO THAT IT COULD HELP FORM OUR DISCUSSION GOING FORWARD AS TO HOW BEST TO ADDRESS THAT SPACE . 
          THE PLANNING COMMISSION KNOWS THIS AND THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS THAT WE WILL , IN THE EVENT OF APPROVAL, THE PETITIONER OR THE END-USER FOR THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION WOULD HAVE TO RETURN BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION WITH BOTH DEVELOPMENT PLAN REVIEW AND ADLS. AND THE REVIEW REQUIRES PUBLIC NOTICE, SO WE WILL NGAGE AGAIN THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS AS PART OF THAT DISCUSSION AND THEN THE ADLS WOULD COVER THE OTHER ITEMS, BUT AGAIN, IF WE INCORPORATE PUBLIC PLAZA SPACE DEFINITIVE REQUIREMENTS ABOUT WHERE THOSE BUILDINGS ARE PLACED ON THE SITE WHETHER IT IS ALONG MICHIGAN ROAD OR OTHERWISE, THEY WOULD BE PART OF THE DISCUSSION AND THAT IS WHERE WE WOULD LIKE SOME FEEDBACK FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE. WE UNDERSTAND WE ARE NOT DONE AND WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR A RECOMMENDATION THIS EVENING. WE WERE ASKED TO RETURN BACK TO THE COMMITTEE FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION ON MAY FIRST. OUR GOAL, OUR TASK BETWEEN NOW AND THEN WOULD BE TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH ALEXI AND PROVIDE YOU, IN ADVANCE OF THAT MAY MEETING, WHEN THE AGENDA COMES OUT, SO 10 OR 11 DAYS IN ADVANCE OF THE MEETING, WE WOULD PROVIDE AN UPDATED ORDINANCE THAT SHOWS DIFFERENCES BETWEEN WHAT YOU SAW IN THE LAST PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING IN THE FINAL EXHIBIT OR THE FINAL ORDINANCE, RATHER. AND ANY NEW EXHIBITS THAT WE HAD THAT WOULD HELP EXPLAIN WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT OR REVISIONS MADE TO THOSE PLANS THAT WERE SUBMITTED AT THE LAST PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. WITH THAT, I WOULD BE GLAD TO ENTER INTO A DIALOGUE ABOUT ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS. AND ONE LAST THING BECAUSE ], I ASKED STAFF AND STAFF AGREED AND WE HAVE TWO FOLKS AVAILABLE, VIRTUALLY. SO YOU CAN SEE THEIR PICTURES ON THE BACK OF THE SCREEN ALONG WITH JOHN BLAKEY AND THE OTHER PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBER. THEY ARE HERE TO THE EXTENT THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE INFORMATION PROVIDED WITH THE MARKET ANALYSISAND OTHER INFORMATION WHEN WE HAD THE, WHAT I WILL CALL MORE FUNDAMENTAL DISCUSSION ABOUT MULTIFAMILY ON THE REAL ESTATE. WE WANTED TO HAVE THEM AVAILABLE IF YOU HAD QUESTIONS. THEY WILL LIKELY NOT BE PRESENT AT THE MAY MEETING. IF YOU DO HAVE QUESTIONS, NOT THAT YOU CANNOT ASK THEM, BUT WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU WOULD EITHER HAVE THOSE QUESTIONS AVAILABLE NOW. AND YOU COULD PROVIDE THEM TO US IN LIKE AN EMAIL TO STAFF AND WE COULD GET RESPONSES BACK FROM THEM . 
          THEY ARE OUT OF CHICAGO, SO WE MAKE EFFICIENT USE OF THEIR TIME. THANKS. 
          >> THANK YOU, DEPARTMENT? THANK YOU. FOR THE RECORD, LEXI LOPEZ WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING OFFICE. AS THE PETITIONER STATED, WE DO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THEM ON THE REMAINING COMMENTS. WE JUST MET YESTERDAY ABOUT SOME OF THOSE AND THEY SUBMITTED SOME ADDITIONAL ITEMS FOR YOUR REVIEW FOR THIS EVENING AS WELL INCLUDING THE SIDEWALK AND PATH EXHIBIT WHICH IS HELPFUL BECAUSE WE CAN SEE WHERE WE WILL BE GETTING THE SIDEWALKS VERSUS THE 10 FOOT PATH. THEY DID . TO INCREASE THE MINIMUM TREE PRESERVATION UP TO TWO ACRES. I BELIEVE THERE IS ABOUT THREE ACRES OUT THERE TODAY. OF EXISTING FORESTED AREA. SO I THINK WHEN THEY ORIGINALLY PROPOSED THE 1.5, WE WERE HOPING FOR MORE THAN HALF THE TREES THERE. AND THEY HAVE ADDED THE OUTDOOR SEATING AREA ALONG THE FOREST . THEY ADDRESSED OTHER COMMENTS INCLUDING THE SIGNALIZED CROSSWALK ACROSS MICHIGAN ROAD. WE ARE GLAD THEY WILL TRY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT WITH THE STATE. AND UPDATING THE PUD TO REQUIRE THE LONG-TERM BIKE PARKING INSTEAD OF ENCOURAGING IT, WHICH IS WHAT THE UDO DOES TODAY. SOME ITEMS WE ARE REVIEWING INCLUDE THE ARCHITECTURE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE BUILDINGS. THEY DID SUBMIT THE STREET CROSS-SECTION FOR THE BOULEVARD, AND ONE ADDITIONAL 
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COMMENT WE HAD ON THAT, IT MOSTLY MATCHES THE CITY'S CROSS-SECTION FOR A BOULEVARD, BUT THE TREEPLANTING STRIP IN THE MIDDLE IS A LITTLE SMALLER, SO I WAS WONDERING IF THEY COULD ADD TWO FEET TO THAT. NORMALLY 12 FEET IS WHAT IS RECOMMENDED. 
          NORMALLY THEY ARE AT NINE. IF WE COULD GET IT TO A 62 FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY AND 11 FOOT TREE AREA THERE . WHEN YOU HAVE A MEDIUM LIKE THAT YOU REALLY DO NEED MORE SOLID THE SOIL VOLUME BECAUSE YOU HAVE TWO LANES OF PAVEMENT ON EITHER SIDE AND THE TREES NEED MORE ROOM FOR THEIR TREES TO GROW. AND SO THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT A LITTLE LARGER IF THEY COULD. 
          AND THEN WE ALSO TALKED AT OUR MEETING YESTERDAY ABOUT I WILL CALL IT A PRIVATE STREET KIND OF, ON THE WEST THERE. YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WILL FUNCTION LIKE A STREET AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ANY STREET FEATURES THAT WE WANT TO SEE THERE ARE IMPLEMENTED. IT WAS SUGGESTED TO HAVE A CROSS-SECTION TO SHOW THAT WE WILL HAVE PERPENDICULAR PARKING, THE LANE WIDTH, AND THEN YOU KNOW, SIDEWALK, AND WILL THERE BE STREET TREES AND STUFF LIKE THAT? JUST TO KNOW WHAT WE ARE GETTING WHEN THEY COME THROUGH FOR THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN. AND THEN THE RETAIL LAYOUT, I WAS HOPING WE COULD TALK ABOUT THAT THIS EVENING. I APPRECIATE THAT THEY HAVE GIVEN US A FIRST STAB AT THAT, WHAT IT COULD LOOK LIKE, AND WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM PUSH THAT CONCEPT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER. WE REALLY WANT TO SEE IT INCORPORATED WITH THE EXISTING AND THE PROPOSED APARTMENTS THERE. I THINK THAT THEY WERE THINKING MAYBE WE WANTED TO SEE MORE ALONG MICHIGAN ROAD AND WE WERE KIND OF THINKING MORE TYING IT BACK TO THE APARTMENTS AND HOW DO WE INTEGRATE THAT BETTER AND HOW DO WE DRAW THOSE RESIDENTS INTO THE RETAIL AREA AND CONTINUE THAT NICE WALKABLE BOULEVARD THAT WE SEE. ONE IDEA WAS TO MAYBE SEE THE BOULEVARD STREET THAT ENDS AT THE RETAIL OUTLET. MAYBE THERE IS A LARGE GREEN WALKWAY FOR THE PEDESTRIANS TO DRAW THAT IN, OR THAT COULD BE INACTIVATED SPACE OR SOME SORT OF PLAZA AREA, AND THEN STILL BE ABLE TO HAVE PARKING ON THE SIDES AND THEN WE CAN LOOK AT WHERE TO PLACE A BUILDING. BUT YOU KNOW, IMAGES THAT COME TO MIND OBVIOUSLY ARE MIDTOWN. EVERYBODY LOVES MIDTOWN PLAZA AND THE ACTIVE SPACE, NOT JUST OUTDOOR SEATING FOR RESTAURANTS. THERE ARE A COUPLE OTHERS THAT I LOOK UP, JOHN. THERE IS A BREWERY IN WESTFIELD, AND IT IS A STANDALONE BUILDING AND THEY HAVE SOME PARKING BUT THEY HAVE A NEAT LITTLE INTERIOR COURTYARD, WHICH IS KIND OF ACTIVATED WITH SEATS AROUND IT AND THEN A GREEN SPACE FOR YOUR OUTDOOR GAMES OR THINGS LIKE THAT. AND THEN PROVIDENCE HOME MERIDIAN MIGHT BE SOMETHING ELSE TO LOOK AT. IT IS MOSTLY ACTIVE SEATING BUT I THINK THERE IS A DEDICATED PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY BETWEEN TWO BUILDINGS THAT HAS OUTDOOR SEATING PLUS THE WALKWAY AREA. SO LOOKING FOR SOME IT MAY BE SUGGESTIONS TOO FROM THE COMMITTEE ABOUT HOW WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. BUT I THINK TAKING WHAT THEY HAVE PROPOSED SHOWED US TODAY, AND TAKING THAT A STEP FURTHER TO GET US A GOOD CONCEPT THAT WE CAN HOLD A FUTURE RETAILER TWO. SO WE ARE CONTINUING TO WORK THROUGH THESE AND I APPRECIATE PETITIONER WORKING WITH US ON A LOT OF OUR COMMENTS AND RIGHT NOW WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU DISCUSS IT AND SEND IT TO THE NEXT COMMITTEE MEETING IN MAY. THINK YOU. -- THANK YOU. 
          >> OKAY, THANK YOU. WHO WANTS TO GO? 
          >> I WILL DO A QUICK -- WHAT IS THE APPROXIMATE LAND SIZE OF THE 
          RETAIL AREA? >> TWO ACRES. 
          >> IT IS ABOUT TWO ACRES? AND TO YOUR EARLIER POINT, THE BUSINESS ACROSS THE STREET ON MICHIGAN ROAD, THAT STRETCHED DIRECTLY ACROSS AND THAT IS TWO LANES OF PARKING, AND THEN THE BUILDING. 
          >> YES, GENERALLY. >> BUT RIGHT ACROSS FROM THAT IT 
          IS. >> IS THAT THE ELLIPSE 
          >> I-9. >> CHICK-FIL-A? 
          >> CHICK-FIL-A 
          PARKING AND ELLIPSE >> CRUMBLE COOKIE. NOT THAT I KNOW THAT SPACE VERY WELL. 
          NEVER BEEN, BUT MY POINT BEING, RIGHT ACROSS FROM THIS PROPOSED COMMERCIAL OR RETAIL THERE IS WHAT YOU ARE DESCRIBING EARLIER. 
          TWO ROWS OF PARKING, AND THEN THE STRIP OF BUILDING, RETAIL. 
          >> AND OUR MAIN OBJECTIVE WOULD BE TO GET IN A POSITION THAT STAFF IS COMFORTABLE ALONG WITH MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY FOR THE END USER TO DESIGN A SITE PLAN THAT IS STILL 
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BOTH FEASIBLE FOR THEM FROM A STANDPOINT -- WE ARE TRYING TO INTEGRATE DESTINATION USERS AND THEY ARE GOING TO WANT TO HAVE VISIBILITY AND I AM MOVING AT LEAST THE SIGNAGE, AND SO SOME OTHER SITUATIONS LIKE THE PLANNING COMMISSION ARE REPRESENTED WITH THAT EDWARD ROSE IS INVOLVED WITH NEAR MAIN STREET AND OLD MERIDIAN. IF YOU TRAVEL MAIN STREET AS YOU GET CLOSER TO MERIDIAN STREET, THIS IS ONE OF THE EXAMPLES -- THIS MAY BE ONE OF THOSE EXAMPLES -- IT IS NOT THAT ONE THIS, SO IMAGINE IF YOU CAN , LET'S LAY IT OUT HERE, THAT MIGHT REPRESENT AS AN EXAMPLE. THIS IS A SITUATION WHERE THERE WOULD BE ONE BUILDING ALONG THE MICHIGAN ROAD FRONTAGE. AND THE BUILDING POSITION HERE, AND THAT DRIVE HERE COMING IN LIKE HERE. SO WHAT WE WANT TO TRY TO DO IS MARRY UP SOME WRITTEN STANDARDS LIKE THE 2500 SQUARE FOOT SPACE . WHEN YOU IMAGINE A PARKING SPACE IS ABOUT 200 SQUARE FEET, SO WE GET INTO A SITUATION WHERE THERE IS SOME MEANINGFUL OUTDOOR SPACE THAT IS PULLING PEOPLE, IF YOU WILL, FROM THAT ENVIRONMENT THAT WE JUST ILLUSTRATED IN THE IMAGERY HERE.  LIKE THIS IMAGE IS STANDING AT THAT T, WHERE IT GOES INTO THE COMMERCIAL SPACE. I'M STANDING AND LOOKING TO THE WEST AND THIS IS WHAT I'M LOOKING AT, AND THE IDEA BEING, AND THIS IS A LEGITIMATE DISCUSSION, DO WE HAVE THIS RETAIL BUILDING HAVE ITS PRIMARY PRESENCE TOWARDS MICHIGAN ROAD , OR DO WE HAVE THE PRIMARY PRESENCE , IF THAT IS ACTUALLY A THING, BECAUSE IT COULD BE A SITUATION LIKE SOME OF THE OTHER BUILDINGS HAVE ENTRANCES AND THESE DO I THINK IN THIS SITUATION. SOME HAVE ENTRANCES ON BOTH THE PARKING LOT SIDE AND THE STREET SIDE OF THE BUILDING. I THINK THAT IS ANOTHER OPTION. 
          AND OTHER EXAMPLES HAVE BEEN -- WERE PROVIDED BY EDWARD ROSE AND THOSE WERE EXAMPLES AND OTHER LOCATIONS IN CARMEL , LIKE THIS IS THE ONE FROM THE OF AUNT OVER HERE. AND THIS IS GRAHAM BOULEVARD. THIS IS MAIN STREET AND THE ROUNDABOUT RIGHT HERE. 
          THIS IS THE MULTITENANT BUILDING AND I THINK THERE IS AN EYE DOCTOR AND A COUPLE OTHER RETAIL USES IN THAT. IMAGINE THIS IS 99TH STREET AND THIS IS MICHIGAN ROAD. THE BUILDING HAS A STRONG PRESENCE TOWARDS MICHIGAN ROAD, OR DO WE FLIP IT AROUND AND THE BUILDING HAS A STRONG PRESENCE INTERIOR TO THE SITE? THAT IS THE QUESTION THAT WE ARE STRUGGLING WITH, I THINK.  SO IT IS JUST A COUPLE DIFFERENT OPTIONS. 
          >> SO MY THOUGHT, NOT NECESSARILY ADVOCATING, BUT A THOUGHT, WHAT ABOUT THE RESIDENTIAL IS HERE, THE RETAIL IS UP HERE. YOU WANT A WALKWAY UP INTO IT. I HAVE TO TALK WITH MY HANDS, I'M SORRY. YOU HAD A GATHERING SPACE HERE AND YOU COULD DRIVE ALL THE WAY AROUND IT. SO THAT THE WALKWAY IS FREE FROM CROSS TRAFFIC, BUT YOU CAN STILL ENTER THE RETAIL FROM EITHER SIDE AND YOU HAVE PARKING ON EITHER SIDE. 
          >> IT MAY BE SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU SEE HERE BUT THE INTERVENING SPACE IS THE PUBLIC GATHERING AREA AND THERE IS ANOTHER EXIT AND ENTRANCE FROM RIGHT DOWN HERE, AND SO THERE IS A PARKING FIELD HERE, HERE AND THEN THE PUBLIC ALSO SPACE WE MIGHT TRY TO INTEGRATE SOMETHING WHERE THERE IS A PASS-THROUGH IN THE PARKING AREA. BUT CLEARLY, WHETHER THAT IS A RAISED PEDESTRIAN AREA IS SOMETHING WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT TYPICAL PARKING LOT TRAFFIC, BUT CONNECTIVITY IS IMPORTANT. AND AGAIN, WE CANNOT SHARE WITH YOU THE FINAL DESIGN. BUT WE ARE TRYING TO IMPLEMENT THOSE ITEMS, PEDESTRIAN GATHERING SPACE IN BUILDINGS PULLED UP TO THE STREET AND THOSE THINGS. 
          >> SO ONE FINAL THOUGHT. THE BIG GLOBE FROM RCI? WILL THAT BE A 
          FEATURE IN THAT AREA? >> WE HAD NOT PLANNED ON IT AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT IS ATTACHED TO THE PURCHASE AGREEMENT. UNLESS SOMEBODY REALLY LIKES IT, WE WILL WORK ON THAT SUGGESTION. 
          >> THAT IS A RECOGNIZABLE ICON IN THAT AREA AND IT WOULD BE A NICE FEATURE TO INCORPORATE SOMEWHERE. 
          >> MADAM CHAIR, IF I MAY? SO IS IT SO OUT OF THE REALM OF POSSIBILITY TO MAKE FRONTAGE ON BOTH SIDES? I MEAN, I DON'T -- I'M NOT AN ARCHITECT, BUT SURELY IT IS NOT OR IT IS IN THE REALM OF POSSIBILITY TO HAVE IT -- AESTHETICALLY PLEASING ON THE BACK FACING THE MULTI-UNITS, AND ALSO BE PLEASING FROM MICHIGAN 
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ROAD. 
          >> WE JUST HAVE TO BE ABLE TO PARK IT AND THAT IS THE OVERALL CHALLENGE TOO. ONE OF THE SUGGESTIONS WAS THAT MAYBE WHERE WE HAVE PARALLEL PARKING INTEGRATED ON THIS BUILDING SITE, MAYBE WE INTEGRATE IT ON THIS SITE AS WELL. IT IS JUST THE DEPTH SITUATION THEIR RESULTS IN THE AERIAL PHOTOS THAT WE WERE SHOWING YOU OF OTHER LOCATIONS WHERE WE CANNOT DO BOTH. WE CANNOT PARK IT AND PUT A BUILDING ON THE SITE AND HAVE ADEQUATE SPACE FOR CIRCULATION. 
          >> I CAN TELL YOU, DRIVING DOWN MICHIGAN ROAD , IT IS NOT ALWAYS ATTRACTIVE. SO IF I HAD MY DRUTHERS, I WOULD LIKE IT TO BE MORE VISUALLY APPEALING ON WELCOMING PEOPLE INTO CARMEL FROM THAT POINT AND THEN MAYBE JUST MAKING REALLY STRICT ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS FOR THE BACK OF THE BUILDING FACING THE -- BECAUSE I KNOW IT IS IMPORTANT TO YOU THAT THIS AREA BE BEAUTIFIED AND I THINK IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR HER THAT IT LOOKS AESTHETICALLY PLEASING FROM MICHIGAN ROAD . 
          >> IT ALSO ALLOWS US TO PUT THE PUBLIC GATHERING SPACE ON WHAT I WILL CALL THE PROTECTED SIDE, AND THERE MAY BE VARYING OPINIONS, BUT I THINK THE PUBLIC GATHERING SPACE -- THE PREFERENCE WOULD BE THAT WOULD BE LOCATED IN AN AREA SHIELDED FROM MICHIGAN ROAD AND ALL THE TRAFFIC THAN IT WOULD BE INTEGRATED INTO BEING ADJACENT TO IT AND EVERYBODY MIGHT HAVE A DIFFERENT GATHERING SPACE HERE AND HAVE THE BUILDINGS PULLED UP TO MICHIGAN ROAD WITHOUT PARKING IN FRONT OF THAT, AND DO OUR BEST OR THE DESIGNERS WITH FUTURE USE WILL PROVIDE ACCESS TO BOTH SIDES OF THE BUILDING SO THERE IS A FRONT DOOR PRESENCE ALONG MICHIGAN ROAD AND A WELCOMING PRESENCE ALONG THE WEST SIDE THAT ADDRESSES THAT PUBLIC SPACE. 
          >> I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO, SINCE WE DO HAVE OUR TWO GENTS ON LINE, JUST TO DISCUSS FOR A FEW MINUTES, NOT VERY LONG, BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS TO DO, BUT MAYBE DISCUSS THE -- OH MY GOODNESS, SORRY. SAYING HURRY UP AND I CANNOT THINK OF THE WORD, THE PROJECT, THE STUDY THAT YOU DID ACCORDING -- 
          >> TWO WORDS, TWO SYLLABLES.  REAL QUICKLY, JUST SO THAT THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS. 
          >> ARE YOU ASKING -- >> START? 
          >> A BRIEF SUMMARY? >> YUP. I AM WITH ACE AND YOUNG. 
          I AM OUR U.S. CLIENT DATA SOLUTIONS LEAD AN MULTIFAMILY 
          SPECIALIST. >> AND I AM FROM THE CHICAGO OFFICE. I LEAD THE INDUSTRIAL MARKET INTELLIGENCE GROUP , SO WE CONDUCTED THE ANALYSIS ON THE CURRENT ZONING FOR INDUSTRIAL USES AND THEN ALSO TAPPED INTO THE NEED FOR MORE HOUSING IN THE AREA. I AM AN INDUSTRIAL HOMER, SO ANY CHANCE I HAVE TO MAKE A BUSINESS CASE TO GET INDUSTRIAL BELT, I TRY TO MAKE IT. WE CONDUCTED THE STUDY ON THE INDUSTRIAL FRONT IN A WAY THAT YOU KNOW, TOOK INTO EFFECT ANY LARGE ACTUATION IN INVENTORY SINCE COVID AND THE CURRENT STANDING , THE CONSIDERABLE JUMP IN TILT UP AND MIDDLE PANELING, INDUSTRIAL USES AND THE LAND BASES WITH THE CIS CURRENT HEADQUARTERS AND IT IS A LOT OF WHAT WE DEDUCED THAT KIND OF RULED OUT THE INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT OPTION HERE. JUST FROM A COST BASIS AND WHAT YOU WOULD NEED TO GET ANY TYPE OF RETURN ON THE INVESTMENT . YOU KNOW, EXCEEDED 40% OR 50% OF CURRENT HIGH WATERMARK RENTS IN INDIANAPOLIS AREA. SO TO DO THAT AT SCALE WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT AND WE OUTLINED THAT IN THE STUDY THAT WE CONDUCTED. 
          >> AND FROM A MULTIFAMILY PERSPECTIVE, WE EXAMINED THE CARMEL MULTIFAMILY MARKET AND OVER THE -- SINCE 2019 WE HAVE SEEN INVENTORY INCREASE BY 20%, BUT WE HAVE ALSO SEEN DEMAND 
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SURPASS THAT BY INCREASING WITH OCCUPANCY FOR A MULTIFAMILY, INCREASING 22%, INDICATING THAT THERE IS STRONG DEMAND ACROSS THE MARKET AS I'M SURE YOU ARE AWARE. IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE ALSO DISCOVERED THAT THE STRONG PERFORMANCE FOR MULTIFAMILY ASSETS NEAR THE SITE WITH OCCUPANCY LEVELS AT FULL CAPACITY FOR A RECENT DELIVERY WITHIN A ONE MILE RADIUS OF THE SITE . IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE INCREASE IN THE SUPPLY ACROSS MULTIFAMILY MARKET HELPS STABILIZE RENTS, BUT ALSO WE WANTED TO KNOW , WITH POPULATION GROWTH PROJECTED TO BE CLOSE TO 11% BY 2030, THERE WILL BE INCREASED DEMAND FOR MULTIFAMILY GOING FORWARD, AND RIGHT NOW THERE IS ONLY ABOUT 1%, 1% OR 2% UNDER CONSTRUCTION, SO THERE WILL BE A NEED FOR MULTIFAMILY HOUSING IN THE NEAR FUTURE. 
          >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT BRIEF EXPLANATION. 
          >> THANK YOU. >> I THINK IN TERMS OF THE COMMITTEE DISCUSSION IT SHOULD BE NOTED , IT IS A PRETTY BIG DECISION TO TAKE 20 ACRES OUT OF THE I-1 FROM CARMEL. IT IS BECOMING THE DINOSAUR OF ZONING IN OUR CITY. SO GRANTED, IT WAS NOT IN TRUE INDUSTRIAL USE PRIOR TO THIS DECISION, BUT IT IS BECOMING LESS AND LESS OF A ZONING CLASS YOU CAN FIND IN THE CITY. AND YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE BUSINESSES THAT WERE VERY ACTIVE DURING COVID AND GROWING DURING COVID. THERE IS ACTIVE DEVELOPMENT HAPPENING IN THE SURROUNDING CITIES AND SO IT IS NOT SAYING I AM NOT SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROJECT OR THE USE AND THE ARCHITECTURE IS GREAT AND THE NEED FOR HOUSING IS STILL THERE FOR OUR CITY. BUT I DO THINK IT IS A BIG DECISION TO TAKE THAT MUCH ACREAGE OUT OF I-1. 
          >> I DO NOT DISAGREE THAT IT IS AN IMPORTANT DECISION THAT WILL END UP IN FRONT OF THIS BODY AND COUNSEL. I THINK THAT THE SMALLER PICTURE QUESTION, JOHN, CAN YOU SHOW THE GOOD-LOOKING CROSS-SECTION YOU SHARED EARLIER ? I DON'T KNOW IT WAS IN THE PACKETS. CAN YOU PUT THAT ON DISPLAY FOR ME? 
          >> I WOULD CALL IT THE 3-D RENDERING OF THE STREET SECTION 
          PEOPLE WALKING ON THE SIDEWALK . >> THIS ONE? 
          >> THAT IS IT. CAN YOU AGAIN DESCRIBE TO US THIS LOCATION IS -- IF YOUR BACK WAS AT THE RETAIL LOT LOOKING WEST -- 
          >> I'M STANDING RIGHT THERE LOOKING WEST. THE BUILDING IN THE BACKGROUND IS THE ONE THAT IS FOUR STORIES AND STAIR STEPS WHERE THE ROOFTOP AMENITIES ARE HERE AND HERE AND THAT -- THE PUBLIC WALK THAT GOES THROUGH THE REST OF THE SITE IS THE THREE-STORY BUILDING IN THE BACKGROUND. THE THREE-STORY IN THE BACKGROUND IS THE BUILDING RIGHT HERE. 
          >> GREAT. REALLY LIKE THE WAY IT LOOKS. CAN YOU DESCRIBE HOW IT IS THE SAME OR DIFFERENT FOR THE PERPENDICULAR STREET THAT RUNS 
          NORTH-SOUTH? >> IT IS THE SAME. 
          >> OKAY. 
          >> THE PUBLIC STREET WOULD BE THE STREET THAT CONNECTS THE OTHER TWO PUBLIC STREETS TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH, SO THERE IS INTERCONNECTIVITY BETWEEN 99 AND THE PARK WAY. 
          >> AGAIN. THE NOTION THAT THE RETAIL SITES, SHOULD WE HAVE THE BUILDINGS FRONT MICHIGAN ROAD, SHOULD WE HAVE THEM BE MORE ENGAGED WITH THE APARTMENT SIDE, SO THAT FOLKS CAN ACTIVELY WALK FROM HERE ON A STREET SECTION THAT LOOKS LIKE THIS TO THE RETAIL SITES OR WHATEVER THEY MIGHT BE, IT WILL BE I GUESS A TOUGH QUESTION TO FIGURE OUT AS WE GO FORWARD, HOWEVER, THERE ARE PLENTY OF OTHER SITES THAT FOLKS MAY ENGAGE WITH ON MICHIGAN ROAD, WHETHER IT IS CHICK-FIL-A OR OTHER SITES ACROSS THE STREET THAT IS THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING OF MICHIGAN ROAD. IS THAT AN EITHER OR THING OR BOTH? SIGNALIZED 
          INTERSECTIONS BEING CONSIDERED? >> LET ME AT YOUR NEXT COMMITTEE MEETING GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT. THAT WAS THE DIRECTION THAT WAS PROVIDED FROM THE DISCUSSION WITH JEREMY. I DO NOT KNOW WHETHER IT WAS ONLY ONE BECAUSE THAT IS THE BEST THING, OR ONLY ONE BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT MAKES SENSE. I APOLOGIZE I DON'T HAVE 
          THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION. >> MAYBE CURIOSITY MORE THAN ANYTHING. IF THE CITY IS PURSUING CROSSINGS AT 96 STREET AND 116TH , JUST CURIOUS IF THAT SHOULD BE ON THE TABLE, AND 
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POTENTIALLY ANOTHER YOU KNOW, MAYBE THEY ARE PURSUING OTHER SIGNALIZED INTERSECTIONS TOO. WE DON'T WANT THEM TO HAVE TO COME BACK AND IMMEDIATELY DO SOMETHING NOT LONG AFTER IMPROVEMENTS ARE MADE I GUESS IS ALL I AM SAYING. 
          AND I GUESS I DON'T KNOW, I GUESS SINCE YOU GOT PLENTY OF -- MAYBE -- I WILL SAY UNEDUCATED OR MINOR EDUCATED OPINIONS ON WHAT THE RETAIL SITE SHOULD LOOK LIKE, PERHAPS THE BUILDINGS CAN BE ROTATED AND GO THE LONG WAY OR ALONG 99TH AND ALONG THE INTERNAL STREET AND HAVE AGAIN, THAT PUBLIC ACCESS AND INTO THE PUBLIC SPACE INTO THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE AND SOMEHOW IT WOULD HAVE ENOUGH PARKING IN THE MIDDLE. 
          >> WE ARE LOOKING AT ALL THOSE OPTIONS. 
          >> I DO LIKE THE PUBLIC PARALLEL PARKING ON THE UNNAMED STREET I GUESS, WHATEVER THAT IS. 
          >> JOHN, DID YOU SAY EARLIER YOU HAD MODIFIED ANY OF THE B-3 USES? THERE ARE A TON OF USES THAT THESE COULD BE -- 
          >> WE HAVE AND WE ARE PROPOSING TO PROHIBIT ¿ I WILL PUT THIS UP, THIS IS WHAT WE PROVIDED STAFF FOR THEIR CONSIDERATION, THAT WE WOULD PROHIBIT ALL AGRICULTURAL USES, ALL INDUSTRIAL USES, AUTOMOBILE SERVICE STATIONS AND A GAS STATION INCLUDING FUEL, AUTOMOBILE BOAT SALES, TRUCK REPAIR, COMMERCIAL KENNEL, FUNERAL HOME, LUMBER, BUILDING MATERIAL SALES, MOBILE HOME SALES AND TWO STUDIOS, AND AGAIN, WHAT YOU DON'T SEE HERE AND WHAT I DISCOVERED EARLIER WAS ANY FREESTANDING USE THAT INCLUDED A DRIVE THROUGH. 
          WHETHER IT IS A BANK OR A RESTAURANT. THERE COULD BE A DRIVE-THROUGH ATTACHED TO A MULTITENANT BUILDING, BUT NO FREESTANDING USE WHERE YOU TYPICALLY HAVE CIRCULATION ALL AROUND THE BUILDING WITH A DRIVE-THROUGH, LIKE -- 
          >> RIGHT. SO IT IS ¿ THIS IS NOT A DONE DEAL, I'M WELL AWARE OF IT, BUT IT DOES NOT LOOK LIKE THERE WILL BE SMALL BUILDINGS THERE IN THE END. REALLY THEY HAVE ONE OR TWO BUILDINGS THAT PRETTY MUCH -- WITH MULTITENANT USES. SMACKING THE BELL CURVE IT IS 99% CERTAIN THAT THERE ARE IS ROOM FOR A THIRD . 
          >> I THINK IT WOULD BE HARD FOR YOU ALL TO NOT HAVE SOME KIND OF PRESENCE AND I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER ON MICHIGAN ROAD THAT THE PEOPLE YOU KNOW, THAT EVERYTHING -- PEOPLE KNOW IT IS THERE AND 
          SUCH. >> I APPRECIATE THAT. I THINK YOU MENTIONED IT AT THE PUBLIC HEARING, THAT SAME COMMENT. 
          THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SIGNAGE ALONG THE CORRIDOR. BUT THE THREE BUILDINGS CLOSEST TO MICHIGAN ARE OWNED IN THESE BUILDINGS, THOSE ARE FOUR STORY BUILDINGS. THERE ARE NOT FOUR STORY BUILDINGS ALONG SO WHEN YOU STOP AT ONE OF THE TWO LIGHTS UP HERE TO THE NORTH OR DOWN HERE, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO MISS THIS BUILDING REGARDLES OF WHEN THE COMMERCIAL COMES IN, YOU WILL STILL SEE THE BUILDING WHEN YOU HAVE SEEN THE ARCHITECTURE, SO IT DOES NOT FADE INTO THE -- 
          >> SO COULD YOU HAVE A SIGN ON THE FOURTH FLOOR TYPE THING? 
          >> THERE COULD BE A SIGN ON THE BUILDING. 
          >> ONE SIGN, RIGHT? I MEAN, I'M ASKING. 
          >> THERE COULD BE, IT IS A U, SO THERE COULD BE A SIGN ON THE BUILDING AND IF THERE WERE A #ALONG MICHIGAN ROAD, IT COULD IDENTIFY TENANTS IN THE COMMERCIAL AREA AND OR THIS BUILDING. THAT SIGN IS NOT SIX FEET, IT IS NOT MUCH TALLER THAN SIX FEET. I KNOW JUST BECAUSE THAT IS THE PREVAILING STANDARD FOR GROUND SIGNS IN THE CITY. IT MIGHT GET ANOTHER COUPLE EXTRA FEET BECAUSE IT IS A DESIGNATED SIGN ALONG MICHIGAN ROAD, BUT AGAIN, RATHER THAN THE FOUR STORY BUILDING. 
          >> HOW TALL COULD BE RETAIL BE? >> IT IS RESTRICTED AT 60 FOOT 
          TALL. >> OKAY. 
          >> BACK TO WHAT WAS IT -- WAS IT IN THE PUD, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE? FOR THE RETAIL? 
          >> THERE IS NOT A MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE, THERE IS A DESIGNATION IN THE ORDINANCE THAT IT IS AREA A AND AREA B. SO IT IS TWO ACRES AND THERE IS NOT A PROVISION THAT SPECIFIES THAT A BUILDING ON THE PROPERTY BE OF A CERTAIN SIZE. THE CAP IS ON BUILDING HEIGHT. THERE IS NOT A BUILDING MINIMUM OR BUILDING MAXIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE IN THE UDO OR THE PROPOSAL. 
          >> I WILL POST THIS TO THE FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU BELIEVE IT IS NECESSARY TO DRILL DOWN ON A SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE 
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FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING AND THE NUMBER OF BUILDINGS THAT CAN 
          BE PUT ON THERE? >> NOT RIGHT NOW. 
          >> I MEAN NOT TONIGHT, BUT -- >> WELL, YEAH. I THINK THAT YOU WILL HAVE TO VERY WELL DEFINED THIS IN THE UDO WHEN IT IS DONE. 
          YES, I DO. THIS WILL BE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND THIS HIGH. 
          BUT NOT TONIGHT. 
          >> I DON'T THINK WE ARE GIVING YOU A WHOLE LOT OF HELP HERE. 
          >> NO, I THINK THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED SOME GOOD FEEDBACK ON THE PARKING SITUATION AND HOW WE POSITION THE SITE SO THAT YOU HAVE A BUILDING ALONG THE FRONTAGE AND PEDESTRIAN SPACE ON 
          THE PROTECTED SIDE . >> RIGHT, RIGHT. IT IS JUST EXCITING THAT SOMETHING COULD COME IN AND BE DIFFERENT AND KIND OF BE A FACTOR. SO I KIND OF -- I DO WANT A PRESENCE ON MICHIGAN ROAD, NOT NECESSARILY PARKING. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT, BUT THE CONCEPT IS PRETTY COOL, SO THANK YOU. 
          DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? >> ONE OTHER QUICK QUESTION OR COMMENT, AND IF YOU NEED TO TAKE IT UNDER CONSIDERATION, BY ALL MEANS, YOU GUYS PROVIDE IN THE ORDINANCE ESSENTIALLY COMMITMENTS TO THE ARCHITECTURE THAT IS IN THE APPENDICES OR THE ATTACHMENTS THAT WE HAVE SEEN THOSE CONCEPTS. THE STREET CROSS-SECTION THAT TALKS ABOUT -- I WILL READ IT, THE BOULEVARD SHOWN IS A CONCEPT PLAN, THE CONCEPT PLAN THAT WE SAW TODAY WILL BECOME A PIECE OF THAT. I GUESS WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS YOU KNOW, I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING FROM MY FELLOW PLANNING COMMISSIONERS IS THAT THEY REALLY LIKE THE WAY THIS LOOKS AND THERE HAS BEEN A SIGNIFICANT EFFORT TO PROVIDE INCREDIBLE LOOKING ARCHITECTURE AND THEN JUST HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT THOSE AWESOME ELEMENTS STICK AND DO NOT GET KIND OF VALUE ENGINEERED OUT OF THE STREET CROSS-SECTION? 
          >> THIS IS ONE OF THE ELEMENTS THAT IS ATTACHED TO THE PUD AND THERE IS SUBSTANTIAL COMPLIANCE REQUIRED WITH THE PLAN THAT YOU SEE HERE. THIS IS THE REQUIREMENT WHERE WE COMMITTED TO A PUBLIC STREET AND THIS IS THE AREA WHERE THEY WILL SUBSTANTIATE THE CLAIM THE REQUIREMENT FOR AND THE OTHER BOULEVARD TREATMENT AND THE ARCHITECTURAL TEXT THAT STAFF IS ASKING FOR IS TO CONNECT THE EXHIBITS WITH THE FINAL BUILD PRODUCT, BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT, THEY ARE FAR ENOUGH ALONG WITH THE ENGINEERING OR THE ARCHITECTURE FOR THE SITE THAT THIS IS WHAT WE ARE DELIVERING, BUT WE DO NOT HAVE -- WE ARE NOT 100% OF THE WAY THERE. THIS IS A CHARACTER EXHIBIT AND THE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS ARE GOING TO IDENTIFY LIMITATIONS TO HOW MUCH THAT CAN VARY. WITH STAFF SAYING -- BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT WRITTEN INTO THE ORDINANCE THAT IS THE EXACT DESIGN OF THE BUILDING BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT THERE FROM THE ARCHITECTURAL STANDPOINT. IT MIGHT BE THAT YOU KNOW, THIS ELEMENT VARIES AND IS OVER A COUPLE FEET THIS WAY OR THAT WAY AND WE DON'T WANT TO BE CAUGHT IN A SITUATION WHERE SOMEBODY COMES BACK LATER, IT IS NOT EXACTLY WHAT THE PICTURE SHOWED, THAT IS INTENTIONAL. 
          >> AND I THINK TO ANSWER JEFF'S QUESTION TOO, WE WILL BUILD IN THAT STREET CROSS-SECTION. 
          >> THAT IS PART OF THE -- THAT IS AN ATTACHMENT TO THE 
          ORDINANCE. >> THAT IS WHAT I'M GETTING AT, BUT THE RENDERING YOU SHOWED A MOMENT AGO IN THE BACKGROUND OR TOWARDS THE REAR OF THAT UP AGAINST THE BUILDING, IT LOOKS LIKE ¿ MAYBE IT IS NOT AS SHARP AS WE ALL HOPED IS ALL THAT I'M 
          GETTING THAT . >> WE WILL HAVE SOME SPECIFICITY IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY AND DRIVEWAY IMPROVEMENTS TO CALL THAT OUT. 
          >> THANKS. 
          >> WE WILL MAKE SURE IT IS ACCEPTABLE TO ENGINEERING. 
          >> I FOLLOW YOU, THE DETAIL. >> I WOULD MOVE THAT WE SEND THIS ITEM TO THE NEXT PLANNING COMMISSION COMMITTEE MEETING 
          >> I SECOND. SUBJECT TO CONSIDERATION OF INCORPORATING THE GLOBE AS A FEATURE ITEM. 
          >> FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO -- >> WE WILL DO OUR BEST. 
          >> TO CLEARLY AUTHORIZE. >> THAT MEETING IS MAY SIXTH? 
          >> SECOND? >> THE SIXTH, MAY SIX. 
          >> TUESDAY MAY SIXTH. 
          >> THANK YOU. 
          >> I GUESS IT HAS BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED THAT WE WILL FORWARD THIS TO THE NEXT FULL COMMITTEE MEETING. ALL IN FAVOR? OPPOSED? IT MOVES FORWARD 5-0. 
          >> TO THE FOLKS ONLINE WHO SPOKE TO THE MARKET ANALYSIS, THANK 
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YOU FOR JOINING US TODAY. 
          >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.  THANK YOU FOR HAVING US. 
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          >> OKAY, FINAL DOCKET TONIGHT, 11 DOCKETS, AND I'M JUST GOING TO READ THE DOCKET NUMBERS IN. PZ-2025-00012, PRIMARY PLAT DEMAND AND PZ-2025-00014 ADLS, AND THIS IS THE NORTH END. AND 15, ADLS ON THE NORTH AND AND DOCKET NUMBER PZ-2025-000 30 UDO AND PZ-2025-000 31, ANOTHER UDO. DOCKET NUMBER PZ-2025-000 32, ANOTHER UDO. ALL THE REST OF THESE ARE UDO'S. PC 2025 -- PZ-2025-000 THREE 00034 AND DOCKET NUMBER PZ-2025-000 35. 
          DOCKET NUMBER PZ-2025-000 36, AND LASTLY, DOCKET NUMBER PZ-2025-000 37. 
          ARE YOU READY TO GO? >> YOU BET. I AM DAN MORIARTY INAUDIBLE ] PLANNING. WITH ME TONIGHT IS JAMES BRAUN, OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT AND NICK ALEXANDER, MY PARTNER WHO IS THE ARCHITECT FOR THE OLDTOWN PROJECT AND JUSTIN MOFFAT, OF COURSE AND FROM AVENUE AND OLDTOWN. APPRECIATE YOUR TIME TONIGHT. THERE IS A LOT OF INFORMATION HERE, SO I WILL TRY TO GET THROUGH AS QUICKLY AS I CAN AND AS CLEARLY AS I CAN. 
          SOME OF THE SLIDES YOU WILL SEE ARE FROM THE LAST PRESENTATION I THINK Y'ALL SAW, SO I THOUGHT I WOULD RECAP THAT QUICKLY JUST TO REMIND YOU OF THE SUBJECT FOR TONIGHT AS YOU KNOW, WE ARE AT THE NORTH AND PROJECT THAT WE HAVE BECOME FAMILIAR WITH OVER THE YEARS. THIS IS AN AERIAL RENDERING YOU SAW LAST TIME.  IT SHOWS THE OLDTOWN TOWNHOMES AND THEN THE MONON OVER TO THE SIDE AND THIS IS THE RETENTION DRAINAGE AREA HERE AND COURSE, 31 THE IN STREET HERE. AS YOU KNOW, THE OLDTOWN HAS GONE TO GREAT EFFORT TO MAKE THIS A VERY WELCOMING AND INCLUSIVE DEVELOPMENT . THEY HAVE DONE SOME VERY INNOVATIVE THINGS WITH THE RESTAURANT AND THE GARDEN, ETC. AND WE ARE ALL PROUD OF THAT. IT IS A VALUE TO THE COMMUNITY. SORRY, I HAVE BEEN TALKING ALL DAY. I TOLD HIM I WOULD HAVE TO TAP OUT AT SOME POINT. AND HE WILL HAVE TO TAKE OVER. THIS SHOWS -- I HAVE A LITTLE BIT BETTER DIAGRAM OF THIS LATER, BUT EVENTUALLY THIS SHOWS THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL PROPERTIES INVOLVED, THERE IS THE OLDTOWN , THE TOWNHOME PROPERTY AND A DEDICATED . THAT GETS EXTENDED THAT IS SHOWN KIND OF RED THERE AND THEN THE VIVA BENE PROPERTY IN THE BLUE AND WHERE IT TOUCHES UP HERE. THIS IS A LITTLE BIT CLEARER PICTURE THAN WE HAD LAST TIME AND IT JUST SHOWS YOU THE BUILDINGS THAT POP OUT A BIT AND OF COURSE THIS IS THE VIVA BENE BUILDING AND THE TOWNHOMES WITH THE ROAD. 
          THE ONLY THING I WANT TO SHOW ON HERE FOR FUTURE REFERENCE, THE TRAILHEAD DRY AND YOU WILL SEE HAPPENS KIND OF IN THIS AREA. 
          BUT OF COURSE THE MONON TRAIL EXTENDS AT AN ANGLE THE WHOLE PROPERTY AND THIS IS THE WOODED PARK AREA THAT FILLS IN THIS WHOLE AREA. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HIT THE COMMENTS FROM 
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THE STAFF FROM OUR LAST HEARING. THIS WAS THE LIST, AND SO OUR EXHIBITS REALLY GO THROUGH THIS BULLET POINT BY BULLET POINT AND GIVE YOU A RESPONSE TO THOSE. WE HAVE RECEIVED ON THE PROJECT DOCS, I THINK ALL OF THE , AT LEAST A FAIR AMOUNT OF COMMENTS FROM ALL OF THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS THAT WE HAVE GONE THROUGH AND TRY TO ANSWER AS MANY AS POSSIBLE. CHARLIE MADDOX FROM CROSSROADS IS HERE TALK ABOUT ANY OF THE QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. AND THINKING YOU DO NOT WANT TO HIT A LOT OF INDIVIDUAL POINTS BUT ANYTHING YOU WANT TO HIT, BE SURE TO ASK AND WE WILL TRY TO ANSWER WESTERNS. THESE HIGH-LEVEL ONES THAT WERE BROUGHT UP IN THE LAST MEETING, WE TALKED ABOUT THE TRAILHEAD CONNECTION, WE TALKED ABOUT THE ANTI-MONOTONY OF THE TOWNHOMES IN TRYING TO IMPROVE THE VARIETY THERE. WE TALKED ABOUT THE VIVA BENE BUILDING AND SOME OF THE DETAILING THERE. WE TALKED ABOUT LIGHTING AND SEVERAL LANDSCAPING COMMENTS . THE BASE BUILDING LANDSCAPING ABOUT THE TOWNHOMES, THE STREET TREES , THE COMMON AREA TREES, AND THE LANDSCAPING ALONG U.S. 31. THERE ARE SOME ADDITIONAL WAIVERS RELATED TO WETLANDS THAT CHARLIE IS WORKING THROUGH ENGINEERING WITH AND I THINK THEY ARE STILL DEFINING WHAT THOSE NEED TO BE AND THEY HAVE TO DO WITH I THINK DISTANCES FROM THE WETLANDS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE AND THEN OF COURSE ADDRESSING ALL THE PROJECT DOCS COMMENTS OUT THERE. WE DO HAVE COPIES OF THOSE AND AS I SAID, WE TRIED TO RESPOND TO EACH OF THOSE AS BEST WE CAN. AND IN THE COMMENTS WE HAVE SEEN SO FAR, THERE IS NOTHING , SHOULD NOT SAY NOTHING, BUT THERE ARE VERY FEW THINGS, MANY WE WERE NOT ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE. I WILL ANSWER A FEW OF THE ONES ON THE LIST HERE , THE EXHIBITS. 
          SOMEONE ASKED LAST TIME FOR A RENDERING OF WHAT THIS WOULD LOOK LIKE FROM THE MONON AND THIS IS A PHOTOGRAPH TAKEN OUTSIDE OF THE TUNNEL IF YOU REMEMBER THE TUNNEL UP THERE ON THAT END. THOSE ARE THE EXISTING TREES ALONG THERE. YOU CAN SEE IT IS QUITE HEAVILY WOODED IN THAT AREA IS NOT PART OF OUR SITE. THAT IS NOTHING THAT WOULD BE DISRUPTED BY ANY OF THE WORK WE ARE DOING. 
          ONE OF THE SECOND QUESTIONS WAS ABOUT THE TRAILHEAD, AND THE IMPORTANT THING TO NOTE HERE IS THIS WAS THE NOTION THAT WE CAME UP WITH AND WORKED WITH RYAN WIRE FROM OLDTOWN AND RELATED TO HOW A TRAILHEAD MIGHT WORK. I THINK THAT THE PARKS DEPARTMENT PROBABLY WILL HAVE FEELINGS ABOUT THIS AND WHAT THEY MIGHT WANT TO SEE AND ADDITIONAL YOU KNOW, COMBINATIONS OF SOME TYPE. 
          THIS ESSENTIALLY SHOWS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR SOME EXERCISE EQUIPMENT MAY BE ALONG THE MONON THERE AND A NEW CONNECTION WITH KIND OF A GATHERING SPOT TO THE SOUTH HERE THAT KIND OF LOOKS OVER THAT DRAINAGE AREA AND THE PARK AREA THAT WE HAVE TO THE SELF. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THAT TRAIL ALSO CONNECTS NORTH AND SOUTH AND THEN BACK AROUND THE PARKING. SO YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO WALK FROM SMOKY ROW TO THE MONON AND IT IS ALL INTERCONNECTED OR RIDE YOUR BIKE, ETC.  IF I'M RUSHING THROUGH THIS AND YOU WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT ANYTHING FURTHER, PLEASE LET ME KNOW. 
          THESE ARE THE RENDERINGS FROM LAST TIME. I WANTED TO GIVE YOU A REMINDER OF WHAT THE TOWNHOME ELEVATIONS LOOK LIKE. THERE IS A LOT OF CHATTER ON SOCIAL MEDIA ABOUT STOP SIGNS AND I THINK EVEN HENRY REMINDED THEM OF THIS, THIS IS THE OVER 55 SECTION, BUT WE HAVE TAKEN THOSE COMMENTS FROM STAFF AND THIS WAS THE BACK OF THE FACILITY. BASICALLY THE DESIGN HAS NOT CHANGED SIGNIFICANTLY, OTHER THAN MAYBE COLOR AS HE TALKED ABOUT WITH THE MONOTONY AND THERE ARE VARIATIONS OF COLOR AND THAT STREETSCAPE AS YOU COME TO THE ROUNDABOUT DOWN THERE, AS YOU CAN SEE , THERE ARE SETS OF UNITS AND THERE IS ANOTHER SECTION OF THE PROPERTY SHOWING THE ENTRANCE STEPS. I THINK SOMEONE ASKED LAST TIME ABOUT ACCESSING THE FIRST FOUR UNITS AND THERE IS AN ENTRANCE AROUND THE FIRST FLOOR UNITS AND THERE IS FHA ACCESS THROUGH THE GROUND FLOOR UNITS FROM THE BACK. THE 
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PROPER SLOPES AND THAT SORT OF THING. OF COURSE, THE UPSTAIRS UNITS WOULD NOT BE FHA ACCESSIBLE, BUT THAT IS AGAIN, NOT INTENDED TO BE OVER 55 NECESSARILY. I WOULD LIVE THERE, I AM OVER 55. A COUPLE MORE SHOTS OF SOME ANTI-MONOTONY HELP I GUESS YOU WOULD SAY WITH SOME ADDITIONAL BRICK AND CHANGE IN COLORS. AND AGAIN, THESE PICTURES ARE ALL IN YOUR PACKET IF YOU WANTED TO ASK OR TALK ABOUT ANY OF THOSE IN MORE DETAIL. AND THE VIVA BENE PRIMARY COMMENT WAS REDUCING THE KNOW, A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF THIS WAS A STUCCO PRODUCT AS YOU CAN SEE HERE. THE OTHER ONE AGAIN, A SIGNIFICANT PART OF THESE WERE STUCCO. SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS , IN CONJUNCTION WITH OTHER COMMENTS FROM STAFF, WE TRIED TO SUMMARIZE HERE AT LEAST THE PRIMARY ONES THAT CAME OUT OF PROJECT DOCS. THE FIRST MOVE WAS JUST REPLACING WITH LAP SIDING AND WHAT I WOULD CALL THE RECEIVING ELEVATIONS, PARTS THAT POP OUT . THESE DAYS HERE WOULD STILL BE PROVIDING MATERIAL , SO IF YOU REMEMBER THE PERSPECTIVE, I WILL PULL THIS BACK FOR A SECOND. SEE HOW THESE BRICK AND THE DAYS COME OUT A BIT FROM THE FAÇADE? THOSE WOULD STILL BE ACCEPTABLE TO THE COMMITTEE. 
          THIS WOULD STILL BE ETHOS . AND THEN THE SPACE BETWEEN THE POP OUTS IS ALL WHITE LIGHT SIDING. 
          AND IN CONJUNCTION WITH THAT, THERE WERE COMMENTS FROM STAFF ABOUT MAKING WINDOW HEADS CONSISTENT , WHICH WE HAVE DONE. 
          THERE WAS ALSO A COMMENT ABOUT MAKING THE BASE MATERIAL, I AM SORRY, IT IS SO HARD TO READ AT THIS SCALE, BUT BELOW THE WINDOWS WE HAD A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT -- ONE HAD LIGHT BRICK AND ONE HAD DARK BRICK AND ONE HAD STONE. AND TRYING TO RESPOND TO THAT ZONING DEAL ABOUT EVERY 50 FEET IT IS SUPPOSED TO CHANGE. BUT GETTING THROUGH THIS REVIEW WITH STAFF, I THINK WE ALL AGREE THAT THE CONSISTENCY, THERE IS NO VARIATION IN THE BUILDING IN THE SHAPE OF THE BUILDING. AND JUST HAVING THE CONSISTENCY IS A BETTER MOVE THAN HAVING THAT KIND OF RANDOM VARIETY. SO THEY ARE MINOR THINGS, LIKE THE HEADERS. WE HAVE SOME SINGLE, DOUBLE AND TRIPLE HEADERS WITH THE WINDOWS AND WE MADE THEM ALL THE SAME. THAT SORT OF THING. BUT THE SAME WITH THE BASE MATERIAL. WE MADE IT CONSISTENT FROM WINDOW TO WINDOW WITH BRICK INSTEAD OF TWO COLORS OF BRICK OR STONE. ONE OTHER THING, AND AGAIN, I HAVE GOT ALL THE ELEVATIONS HERE AND THE CHANGES HAVE ALL BEEN REVISED. AND AGAIN, I AM MORE THAN HAPPY TO REVIEW WHICHEVER PARTICULAR ONE YOU MIGHT WANT TO -- THE ONES THAT STAFF ASKED FOR SOME SPECIFIC CHANGES RELATED TO THE GARAGE LEVEL . 
          AND IF YOU CAN SEE, WE HAVE TRIED TO LABEL WHERE THESE ELEVATIONS ARE, BECAUSE IT IS HARD TO FOLLOW. THERE ARE SO MANY THAT FACE SOUTH. BUT LIKE THIS ELEVATION HERE OR I'M SORRY, THIS ELEVATION OVER HERE IN THE MIDDLE WHERE THE GARAGE BIKE ROOM ARE, WE ADDED SOME WINDOWS AND IT WAS REQUESTED BY STAFF WITH A BLANK WALL BEFORE. 
          SO THAT WAS THAT . AND THEN THE LAST THING , THE LAST COMMENT FROM STAFF THAT THEY SUGGESTED THAT WE CONSIDER AT LEAST SCORING THE BUILDING FROM A LEAD GREEN BUILDING PERSPECTIVE JUST TO SEE. WHILE THE OWNER, WE DO NOT INTEND TO PROBABLY PURSUE A FORMAL DESIGNATION OR FOR GREEN BUILDING, WE DID TAKE -- THIS IS A NATIONAL GREEN BUILDING. IT IS MORE RESIDENTIAL ORIENTED AND THEY HAVE A MULTIFAMILY SECTION SO TO SPEAK, AND IT IS 174 PAGES OF SCORECARD. SO THEN AGAIN, I DO NOT BRING COPIES FOR EVERYBODY BUT I WENT THROUGH THE CATEGORIES AND SCORED THE BUILDING BASED UPON GOING THROUGH THIS WITH A COUPLE BUILDINGS WITH ONE IN SOUTH BEND AND BASED UPON WHAT WE HAVE 
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LEARNED THERE, I WENT THROUGH AND SCORED THIS BUILDING BASED ON THE SYSTEM THAT WE COULD EASILY SCORE A SILVER LEVEL . 
          YOU KNOW, THEY GO , THIS LOOKS THE SAME AND THEY GO BRONZE, SILVER, GOLD, PLATINUM, SO WE WOULD BE AT THE SECOND HIGHEST LEVEL OF SUSTAINABLE STANDARDS IF THE OWNER WERE TO CHOOSE TO FOLLOW THIS. 
          SO THE LAST THING, LET'S SEE HERE, SO AGAIN, ALL THE ELEVATIONS ARE HERE WITH ALL THE REVISIONS AND IF ANYONE CARES TO LOOK AT A PARTICULAR ITEM OR A PARTICULAR AREA, EACH HAS BEEN REVISED WITH THOSE ITEMS WE TALKED ABOUT A SECOND AGO. AND THESE WILL BE -- APOLOGIZE THESE WERE NOT READY BY THE DEADLINE FRIDAY. BUT THEY WILL BE UPLOADED HERE AND THEY DID NOT GO UP TODAY, THEY WILL BE TOMORROW. AND BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THOSE IN MORE DETAIL. WHEN THE LAST THINGS WAS LIGHTING I THINK ON THAT LIST. AND AGAIN, SORRY THIS IS HARD TO READ, BUT THE INTENT IS TO CONTINUE THE LIGHTING SCHEME ALREADY DEVELOPED IN THE PROJECT, SO 25 FOOT STREETLIGHTS I BELIEVE. 
          THIS IS THE SAME HEAD THAT THEY USED ON THE REST OF THE DEVELOPMENT HERE FOR THE STREETLIGHTING AND THESE ARE SCONCES FOR THE BUILDING AND I THINK STAFF ASKED ABOUT SEEING A CUT SHEET FOR BUILDING LIGHTING AND THESE ARE THE ONLY COUPLE FIXTURES WE HAD. AGAIN, IT IS NOT INTENDED TO BE, THERE IS NOT INTENDED TO BE A GREAT DEAL OF EXTERIOR LIGHTING BEING A RESIDENTIAL FACILITY. 
          AND THERE IS, I CANNOT GET IT IN TIME FOR THE MEETING, BUT THEY DID PREPARE A PHOTOMETRIC PLAN FOR THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT THAT WILL BE LOADED TOMORROW TO PROJECT DOCS. AND THEN THE LAST THING I WAS GOING TO TOUCH ON IN TERMS OF NUMBERS, AND THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THEM HERE, BUT THE LAST TIME, IF YOU REMEMBER, THERE IS A NUMBER OF VARIANCES AND WAIVERS THAT WERE ALREADY APPROVED FOR THE NORTH END DEVELOPMENT. MANY OF THOSE WERE BUILDING SPECIFIC THE WAY THAT THEY WERE WORDED. SO WE HAD PREVIOUSLY MET WITH STAFF , AS YOU KNOW, THIS PROCESS STARTED AND WE TRIED TO IDENTIFY, BECAUSE WE ARE ZONED URBAN RESIDENTIAL, I THINK THAT I WENT THROUGH THE REASONING LAST TIME THAT YOU KNOW, AND TALK TO STAFF. I MEAN, URBAN RESIDENTIAL IS THOUGHT OF AS DOWNTOWN ZONING STREETSCAPE, SCALE WALK ABILITY . YOU KNOW, SIDEWALK WALKING TYPE OF ZONING AND THIS IS JUST NOT THAT. I MEAN, IT IS A GREEN , A VERY NATURAL BEAUTIFUL SITE AND THE MONON IS THERE BUT IT CREATES A NUMBER OF TECHNICAL VARIANCES THAT WE NEED TO GET TO COMPLY WITH OUR -- WITH ZONING. 
          AND I TRIED TO GROUP THOSE INTO THREE GROUPS. THIS IS THE SAME SHEET YOU SAW LAST TIME AND GROUP ONE IS THAT, WHAT I WOULD CALL THE RIVER RESIDENTIAL VARIANCES AND THOSE ARE LINKS TO FRONT YARD SETBACK, UP TO 20 FEET IS REQUIRED AND WE HAVE MORE THAN 50 FEET IN SPOTS AND PRIMARILY IT IS BECAUSE AGAIN, WE HAVE THIS TRAPEZOIDAL SITE WITH MULTIPLE FRONT YARDS IN THE WAY BECAUSE THIS IS OUR ¿ THIS IS OUR DEDICATED STREET. SO YOU CAN MAKE A PRETTY GOOD ARGUMENT THAT THIS IS THE FRONT YARD, AND WE HAVE ALSO GOT MERIDIAN STREET HERE. WHICH AGAIN, IS A MAJOR STREET AND THE MONON TRAIL. THAT REQUIRES A VARIANCE AND THE SECOND ONE WAS THE MINIMUM SIX FOOT SIDE YARD SETBACK FOR PARKING REQUIRED REQUESTING ZERO BECAUSE OF THE COMMON TRAIL. IF YOU REMEMBER THE COLOR DIAGRAM HERE, BLUE IS VIVA BENE, YELLOW , EXCEPT FOR THE BUILDING, SORRY, I SHOULD NOT HAVE REPEATED THAT COLOR, BUT THIS YELLOW OUT HERE IS ACTUALLY COMMON AREA BETWEEN THE TWO PROJECTS AND THAT IS THE TRAILS. 
          SO THAT YELLOW BAND THAT YOU SEE IN THE TRAILHEAD IS RIGHT HERE. 
          SO THIS YELLOW BAND SEPARATES BOTH SITES REALLY, AT LEAST PRIMARILY THE VIVA BENE SITE FROM THE SURROUNDINGS. THE ZONING REQUIRES A SIX FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER FOR THE 
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PARKING, BUT WE HAVE GOT A COMMON ZONE. SO AGAIN, THE PROPERTY LINE IS ON THE PARKING LOT AND THEN WE HAVE ] 20 FOOT COMMON ZONE THERE, FULL LANDSCAPING. IN ONE OF THE COMMENTS IN THE STAFF REPORT WAS ABOUT LANDSCAPING AND INAUDIBLE ] 31 AND JAMES IS PREPARING NEW LANDSCAPE PLANS NOW THAT OUR TENANTS COMPLY WITH THE REQUEST TO PROVIDE MORE STREET TREES AND PROVIDE THE LANDSCAPING AND 31 BECAUSE IT IS RIGHT ON THE STATE PROPERTY, OR IF IT DOES START TO BLEED OVER TO STATE PROPERTY WE MIGHT HAVE TO GET APPROVAL FROM DOT TO PLANT IN CERTAIN AREAS WHICH IS FINE, JUST SOMETHING WE CANNOT PROMISE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE IT IS IN DOT'S REVIEW , AND THE LAST ONE WAS THE FOUNDATION PLANNING I THINK ON THE TOWNHOMES, WHICH AGAIN, WE CAN INTEND TO COMPLY WITH. 
          THE SECOND GROUP OF VARIANCES RELATE TO MONON OVERLAY BECAUSE TECHNICALLY OUR SITE TOUCHES THE MONON IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER AND ALL OF IT IS SUBJECT TO THOSE GUIDELINES. BUT AGAIN, I THINK IT IS , IN TERMS OF THE INTENT OF THE MONON GUIDELINES AND WHAT THEY RELATE TO PROJECTS THAT RAN THROUGH MONON AND ARE CREATING A STREETSCAPE INTERACT GIVE ZONE THAT AS YOU MOVE ON AND OFF THE TRAIL, THAT SORT OF THING. ONE IS A PARKING SETBACK, THEY DON'T WANT ANY PARKING ON MONON, WHICH MAKES SENSE , AT LEAST RIGHT ON THE MONON, SO WE ARE, WE ARE ¿ WE HAVE SOME THAT IS BETWEEN THE BUILDING HERE AND THE MONON RIGHT HERE. THERE ARE PARK SPACES SO THAT WOULD NEED A VARIANCE BECAUSE IT IS TECHNICALLY BETWEEN THE BUILDING AND THE MONON. THE SECOND ONE HAS A 15,000 SQUARE FOOT MAXIMUM BUILDING FOR RENT LISTED , WHICH AGAIN, I THINK HAS TO DO WITH PENETRATION BETWEEN THE SURROUNDINGSAND THE MONON. YOU DON'T WANT A 400 FOOT LONG BUILDING WHERE YOU CANNOT GET ON AND OFF, I ASSUME IS THE INTENT OF THAT CLAUSE. AND SINCE WE ARE REALLY NOT ON THE MONON EXCEPT FOR THAT ONE POINT WITH THE TRAILHEAD, WE FEEL LIKE THAT IS A GOOD REQUEST. AND THEN THE LAST GROUP IS THE URBAN RESIDENTIAL ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS. SO THERE IS URBAN RESIDENTIAL ZONING AND THEN ALSO URBAN RESIDENTIAL ARCHITECTURAL AND SUGGESTIONS I GUESS YOU WOULD SAY OR REQUIREMENTS, AND THAT IS THE LAST GROUP. ONE OF THOSE IS, WE TALKED ABOUT THE CHANGE IN THE DESIGN EVERY 50 FEET AND AGAIN, I THINK INTENDED TOWARDS SCALE AND TOWARDS FRIDAY, WALKING ON AN URBAN STREET LIKE MAINSTREET AND SECOND IS THE LOT IS WIDER THAN 200 FEET REQUIRING TWO SEPARATE BUILDINGS AND WELL, I GUESS AGAIN, THIS WAS ONE LOT AND IT HAS BEEN SUBDIVIDED INTO COMMON ZONE YOU KNOW, THE VIVA BENE AND THE RIGHT-OF-WAY FOR THE ROAD AND THE OLD TOWN SITE. SO REALLY THERE IS WHAT, NINE BUILDINGS IN A WAY, BUT TECHNICALLY THERE IS ONLY ONE ON THE VIVA BENE SITE, SO THAT . WIRES A VARIANCE. THE BUILDINGS OVER THREE STORIES SHALL BE SETBACK 12 FEET FROM THE FOURTH LEVEL, WHICH AGAIN, I THINK IS A SCALE THING FOR THE MAINSTREET OF TRYING TO MINIMIZE THE HEIGHT ALONG WALKABLE, A WALKABLE STREET. AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS THE REQUESTED 1.25 DWELLING SPACES PER UNIT OR I'M SORRY, PARK SPACES PER UNIT, NOT DWELLING, PARKING SPACES PER UNIT AND WE HAD FOUND FROM VIVA BENE'S PROPERTY MANAGEMENT TEAM THAT I UNDERSTAND WAS 80% OR SOMETHING? 75% SINGLE RESIDENCE THAT MAKE UP THE DEMOGRAPHIC . SINGLE CARS . SO THEY FEEL LIKE THE 1.25 PER UNIT AS OPPOSED TO 1.5 IS PROVEN IN THE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS TO BE MORE THAN ATTIC IT FOR THE TARGET RESIDENT. SO WITH ALL OF THAT, I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM CHARLIE OR JAMES OR THE OWNERSHIP, GLAD TO STEP ASIDE. 
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          >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APARTMENT? 
          >> THANK YOU. 
          >> THE PETITIONER WENT THROUGH A LOT OF ITEMS THERE AND GIVE US NEW MATERIAL THIS EVENING. I BELIEVE THEY ARE ALSO UPLOADING THAT TO PROJECT DOCS SO THAT WE CAN DO A THOROUGH REVIEW. WE HAVE NOT HAD A CHANCE -- WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED THOSE YET UNTIL TODAY I BELIEVE TO BE ABLE TO REVIEW THE NEW ITEMS, SO WE WILL TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE AND CHECK OFF SOME OF OUR COMMENTS AND PROJECT DOCS AND SOME OF THE COMMENTS LISTED IN THE DEPARTMENT REPORT . BASED ON WHAT I DID SEE THIS EVENING, I HAVE A COUPLE OTHER QUESTIONS I GUESS THAT CAME UP, SO IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE ADDRESSED THE LARGE CONCRETE WALL ON VIVA BENE AT GROUND LEVEL , DID YOU GET IT ON ALL SIDES, OR JUST ONE? 
          >> WE GOT THEM ON ALL SIDES. 
          >> OKAY.  I WAS NOT SURE. I KNOW IT KIND OF SLOPES DOWN AND IT GETS FROM -- IT GETS TALLER ON ONE SIDE AND THEN IT IS FULL, LIKE 12 FEET I THINK. 
          >> ARE TALKING ABOUT ALONG HERE ? 
          >> YES. >> YEAH, OKAY, WE CAN LOOK AT 
          THAT AND REDISTRIBUTE SOME. >> IF THERE IS ANYTHING YOU CAN DO ARCHITECTURALLY OR SHOWING LANDSCAPING ALONG THERE. 
          >> DEFINITELY. OUR ORIGINAL PLAN WAS TO STORE IT IN THE ARCHITECT -- 
          >> THE ARCHITECTS -- WERE GOING TO LANDSCAPE THAT IS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. BUT ADDING A WINDOW OR TWO IS FINE. 
          >> OKAY, GREAT. AND KNOW THAT YOU SAID YOU ARE GOING TO SUBMIT NEW LANDSCAPING BECAUSE THAT WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT I SAW TONIGHT LOOKING AT THE BUILDIN AND MAKE SURE THAT WE SHOW THAT FOR ALL THE BUILDINGS IF WE CAN, LANDSCAPED ALONG U.S. 31. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THOSE TREES IN THE COMMON AREA AND ANY TREES THAT CAN BE ADDED ALONG THE STREET TO YOU KNOW, ACT AS A STREET TREE. AND THEN THE PARKING GARAGE, BECAUSE IT IS KIND OF THAT -- IT IS EXPOSED, YOU WILL HAVE SCREENS I BELIEVE, AND I WAS LOOKING FOR WHAT THOSE SCREENS MIGHT LOOK LIKE SO THAT WE COULD GET SOMETHING ARCHITECTURALLY SIGNIFICANT, NOT JUST AN INDUSTRIAL LOOKING SCREEN. 
          >> YEAH, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT AND WE CAN DEFINITELY INAUDIBLE ] WE NEED TO WORK UP TO THE VIVA BENE  CONSTRUCTION GUYS AND FIND OUT WHAT WE CAN BUY.  OBVIOUSLY, WE WANT IT TO LOOK NICE AND TO LOOK REASONABLE . YOU KNOW, IN KEEPING WITH THE QUALITY OF THE DEVELOPMENT. THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT SCREENS OUT THERE BUT UNCERTAINTY RIGHT NOW IN PRICING 
          AS YOU CAN IMAGINE. >> YEAH. 
          >> BUT SPECIALTY ITEMS LIKE THAT THAT MIGHT COME FROM OTHER COUNTRIES IN TARIFFS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. WE ARE PROBABLY TWO YEARS AWAY FROM INSTALLING THOSE, SO WE WOULD CERTAINLY WORK WITH YOU TO MAKE SURE YOU ARE COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT IS FINELY PURCHASED OR FOUND TO BE SELECTED . 
          >> YEAH, IF YOU CAN PROVIDE SOME EXAMPLES OF OPTIONS THAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT. 
          >> WE HAVE GOT A COUPLE. 
          >> AND THEN THERE WILL BE A POOL WITH VIVA BENE, CORRECT? THERE WILL BE A POOL? I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE SHOW THAT ON THE SITE PLAN AND THOSE DETAILS. 
          'S THE LANDSCAPING PLAN, AND IT IS NOT DOES. 
          >> AND THEN THE MONON CONNECTION, DID YOU LOCATE IT THERE FOR ANY PARTICULAR REASON? I DID NOT KNOW IF IT WOULD JUST CONTINUE NORTH AND CONNECT AT THE VERY TOP OR IF THERE IS A GRADING ISSUE OR -- 
          FOR THE TRAILHEAD? >> I'M GOING TO DIVE IN, JUSTIN MOFFAT . LOOKING FOR THAT TRAILHEAD DESIGN. THIS ULTIMATELY WILL LAND WITH THE PARKS DEPARTMENT. THIS IS NOT A DECISION WE ARE DEFIED TO MAKE. WE HAD A SERIES OF CONVERSATIONS SCHEDULED WITH THE PARKS DEPARTMENT TO START TO LOOK AT HOW THIS PLAYS OUT. A LOT OF IT HAS TO DO WITH GRADES AND A LOT OF IT HAS TO DO WITH THE EXPERIENCE THAT WE WANT PEOPLE TO HAVE IN THIS SPACE. INITIALLY THE GOAL WAS WHEN WE PLANNED PHASE I AND LOOK AT THE CONNECTIONS, THE IDEA WAS, THE HOPE WAS, CAN WE CONNECT WITH HAGAN BERG TRAIL? BUT THERE IS ABOUT A 20 FOOT GRADE DROP AS YOU TRAVEL WEST. YOU KNOW, IT IS JUST -- I PUSHED, AND IT WAS AN UNREASONABLE REQUEST OF THE TEAM 
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BUT I KEPT PUSHING TO SEE IF THERE WAS YOU KNOW, ELEVATED WORD WALK, ETC. THAT WE COULD PURSUE AND IT WAS NOT FEASIBLE TO CONNECT SO WE HAVE BEEN HAVING DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHAT THAT SEPARATION LOOKS LIKE AND THEY DO NOT WANT TOO MANY INGRESS OR EGRESS POINTS ON THE MONON TOO CLOSE TOGETHER SO THEY WANT A LITTLE MORE SEPARATION AND THEN SO WE LOOKED AT THE POSSIBILITY OF CONNECT BEEN RIGHT WHEN YOU COME OUT THE TUNNEL, RIGHT UP HERE, BUT AS PART OF THE STRATEGY TO KIND OF HIM IN THE SITE FROM U.S. 31. WE ARE LOOKING AT USING MOUNDING THEIR AND ADDITIONAL SCREENING TO KIND OF PROTECT THE SITE AND THIS EXPERIENCE WE WOULD LIKE TO CREATE HERE FROM 31. AND SO OUR HOPE WAS TO PUSH FURTHER SOUTH TO USE THIS AREA AS A PLANTING AND SCREENING AREA AND THEN MORE OF AN EXPERIENCE HERE. THE GOAL OF THIS, THIS IS A STORM WATER BMP BUT PLANTED WITH WATER PLANTS AND FOUR SEASON COLOR. IT IS REALLY PRETTY AND THE HOPE IS THAT WE HAVE A COMMUNITY GATHERING SPACE THAT LOOKS OUT AT GREEN SPACE AND SO, THE IDEA WAS WE WOULD COME OFF OF HERE AND THERE IS A BLUFF HERE AT THE TOP OF THIS BMP WHERE YOU CAN COME OFF THE TRAIL AND IF YOU GO TO THE RIGHT AND HAVE MORE OF AN ACTIVE SPACE WHERE THE FITNESS EQUIPMENT WOULD BE, YOU GO LEFT AND HAVE MORE OF A QUIET TRANQUIL SPACE. AND SO THAT WAS THE DESIGN THEORY. BUT WE HAVE A COMMITMENT THROUGH PARKS AND RECREATION IMPACT FEE AGREEMENT WHERE WE WILL INSTALL THIS FOR PUBLIC BENEFIT. THAT WAS ADOPTED WITH THE INITIAL PHASE I OF THE PROJECT, SO WE HAVE SOME CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS TO THE PARKS DEPARTMENT, AND WORKING THAT OUT WILL REALLY BE AT THEIR DISCRETION, NOT OURS. WE HAVE THE MINIMUM COMMITMENTS, BUT I, ULTIMATELY I'M NOT TRYING TO SAY NOT UNDER A PLANNING COMMISSION PURVIEW, BUT REALLY BECAUSE IT IS PARKS INFRASTRUCTURE, WE REALLY HAVE TO WORK WITH THEM TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE OKAY WITH THE FINAL DESIGN. 
          >> SO YOU DON'T THINK YOU WILL HAVE A FINAL DESIGN WITH THIS 
          INAUDIBLE ] >> NO, MA'AM. 
          >> OKAY. 
          >> THOSE WERE MY COMMENTS FROM WHAT I SAW TONIGHT THAT I WILL LOOK FORWARD TO REVIEWING THE NEXT SUBMITTAL AND HOPEFULLY KNOCKING OFF SOME OF THOSE OTHER COMMENTS IN PROJECT DOCKS. I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR SOME DISCUSSION FROM THE COMMITTEE AND WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT IT GO TO THE NEXT COMMITTEE MEETING IN MAY. THANK YOU. 
          >> OKAY, I'M GOING TO OPEN IT UP TO THE COMMITTEE AND JONATHAN? WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING? YOU HAVE BEEN PATIENTLY SITTING ALL NIGHT. 
          >> YES, CAN YOU HEAR ME ? CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? 
          >> YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU FINE. 
          >> YEAH, SO YOU KNOW, JUSTIN, I APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK ON THE TRAIL CONNECTION YOU KNOW. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE DETAILS ON YOU KNOW. SOME QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP AS EVERYONE WAS REPRESENTING THIS EVENING, YOU KNOW, THE FITNESS I THINK FITNESS EQUIPMENT AND OTHER AMENITIES WERE MENTIONED EITHER ADJACENT TO THE MONON OR POTENTIALLY WITHIN THE MONON RIGHT OF WAY. BUT YOU KNOW, WOULD LIKE TO SEE ALL OF THOSE DETAILS FLESHED OUT AND I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU WILL BE WORKING WITH MICHAEL AND HIS TEAM ON YOU KNOW, ALL OF THOSE DETAILS, BUT WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT FLESHED OUT. AND I DO APPRECIATE THE REDUCTION ON THE ARCHITECTURAL SIDE. I THINK THE BUILDINGS ARE COMING ALONG NICELY AND REALLY REFLECT YOU KNOW, BOTH WHAT WE WANT FOR THE COMMUNITY, BUT ALSO REPRESENT WHAT YOU HAVE DONE WITH PHASE 1 OF THE PROJECT. I DO HAVE, I KNOW IT IS NOT UP FOR PURVIEW HERE, BUT I HAVE A LITTLE HESITATION WITH VARIANCE FOR PARKING BETWEEN THE MONON IN THE BUILDING. YOU KNOW, THAT STANDARD IS THERE FOR A REASON AND I THINK THAT YOU KNOW, PROTECTING THE MONON FROM ANY TYPE OF VEHICULAR PARKING OR YOU KNOW, DIMINISHING ANY TYPE OF THAT NATURAL AESTHETIC ALONG THE MONON IS IMPORTANT, BUT NOT UNDER OUR PURVIEW, BUT JUST SOMETHING THAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT. BUT THOSE ARE REALLY THE TWO MAIN COMMENTS THAT I HAVE THAT THE CONNECTION TO THE MONON AND JUST APPRECIATE YOUR WORK ON THE ARCHITECTURE. 
          >> THANK YOU. >> I JUST THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT -- MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND THIS CORRECTLY, BUT TO EMPHASIZE THAT ALL OF THE VARIANCES BEING 
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SOUGHT ARE BECAUSE THE PROPERTY IS TRIANGULAR AND THERE IS JUST A LITTLE BIT OF IT THAT TOUCHES THE MONON WHICH MAKES ALL OF THOSE RESTRICTIONS APPLICABLE. BUT YET THE PROJECT DOES NOT FULLY FACE THE MONON, ONLY ABOUT LITTLE BIT THE CORNER. SO I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND WHY THESE VARIANCES ARE NOT AS SHOCKING AS THEY LOOK WHEN YOU SEE HOW LONG THE LIST READS. 
          AND I HAVE NO PROBLEMS WITH THE VARIANCES BEING SOUGHT. 
          >> THE MONON OVERLAY VARIANCES, THERE ARE ONLY TWO OF THOSE, SO THE REST ARE RELATED TO THE UR ZONING MOSTLY. AND BECAUSE THIS IS A COMBO COMMITTEE, THE VARIANCES ARE UNDER THE PURVIEW OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION TONIGHT FOR THIS PROJECT, SO YOU CAN NEGOTIATE AND TALK ABOUT THEM AND THEY WILL ULTIMATELY BE THE ONES TO APPROVE THE VARIANCES. 
          >> FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU SO MUCH, JUSTIN, DAN AND COMPANY FOR ALL THE HARD WORK YOU PUT INTO THIS, ESPECIALLY THANK YOU, DAN FOR BRINGING UP THE CONVERSATIONS ON SOCIAL MEDIA ABOUT THE STEPS . IT JUST GOES TO SHOW YOU THAT IF YOU READ THE ARTICLE YOU WOULD HAVE ACTUALLY SEEN THAT WAS NOT PERTAINING TO VIVA BENE PROJECT, SO A COUPLE THINGS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO ASK ABOUT AND THIS IS PROBABLY MORE FOR VIVA BENE. AND JUSTIN TOO. I JUST THESE COULD BE COMBINATION QUESTIONS, BUT WHEN THIS PROJECT IS FINISHED, I GUESS WHO IS GOING TO BE THE LONG-TERM OWNER OF VIVA BENE? WILL IT BE VIVA BENE OR WILL YOU WAIT UNTIL IT STABILIZES AND THEN SELL IT? HOW IS THAT GOING TO WORK? BECAUSE I SPOKE TO ABOUT THIS AND I WOULD LIKE TO APOLOGIZE FOR MY SNAFU WHILE I WAS ONLINE WITH YOU GUYS A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, BUT I MADE THE COMMENT THAT I -- JUSTIN IS A GREAT PARTNER WITH THE CITY AND HE LIVES HERE AND I WANT TO BE SURE THAT IS THE KIND OF 
          PARTNER WE ARE WORKING WITH. >> ABSOLUTELY. YES, AS WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE LAST MEETING, WE HAVE A YOU KNOW, KIND OF A SHARED VALUE WITH OLD TOWN WHEN IT COMES TO THE LONG-TERM PERSPECTIVE FOR THIS REAL ESTATE AND THE PROJECT INTO THE FUTURE AND IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE WE ARE NOT AS PROMINENT HERE IN CARMEL, BUT WE ARE IN KEYSTONE CROSSING, SO WE ARE NATIVE TO INDIANAPOLIS AND REALLY DO SEE THIS AS BEING OUR YOU KNOW, OUR CROWN JEWEL IN OUR BACKYARD, IF YOU WILL. SO WE INTEND TO HANG ONTO THIS AS LONG AS WE CAN. 
          >> I JUST WANTED TO ADD TO THAT, FOR THE PROCESS WE HAVE GONE THROUGH, WE HAVE HAD THIS CONVERSATIONS A FEW TIMES IN THE LAST WEEK WITH PEOPLE THAT HAVE ASKED QUESTIONS, THE GENERAL PUBLIC AND PEOPLE ASSOCIATED WITH THE SENIOR COMMISSION IN CARMEL. JUST CURIOUSABOUT THE PROJECT WANTING TO KNOW MORE INFORMATION AND ALL FRIENDLY DIALOGUE, BUT AS WE STARTED PLANNING THE NORTH END, ONE OF THE GOALS WAS INTERGENERATIONAL LIVING AND LOOKING AT DIFFERENT PRODUCT TYPES, HOUSING PRODUCT TYPES THAT WOULD SERVE DIFFERENT POPULATIONS AND WE HAVE REALLY HELD OUR GROUND THAT WE WANT SOMETHING DIFFERENTIATED THAT SERVES THE SENIOR POPULATION. THAT HAS BEEN A GOAL FROM THE BEGINNING. WE STARTED THIS IN 2019 AND A LOT OF UPS AND DOWNS THROUGH THE LAST FIVE OR SIX YEARS. BUT ULTIMATELY WE DID A PRETTY BROAD SEARCHED TO FIND A BROUGHT ¿ QUALIFIED PARTNER AND WE WERE UNDER CONTRACT WITH A WELL-CAPITALIZED NATIONAL GROUP AND THEY WERE IN A CULTURAL FIT AND WE GOT A SENSE THAT THEY WERE PRIMARILY CHASINGTHE EXIT , BUILD IT, FLIP IT, AND WE DECIDED TO MOVE ON FROM THAT GROUP. WE REALLY WANTED TO FIND A PARTNER THAT HAD A LOCAL VIBE AND WE SOUGHT OUT THE AVENUE SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT REASON, SO WE APPROACHED THEM AND SAID WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY AND WE THINK IT FITS WITH WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO DO NATIONALLY AND HAPPENS TO BE IN OUR BACKYARD. SO YEAH, WE WERE EXCITED. THEY WERE INTERESTED IN THE OPPORTUNITY ALONGSIDE US. 
          >> YOU KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT THE HOUSE OF THE DG AND YOUR PROJECT WITH THE NONTYPICAL ADULTS, SO THAT MEANS A LOT TO ME. HEARING THAT FROM YOU MEANS A LOT AND I THINK THE CONSTITUENCY WOULD BE HAPPY TO HEAR THAT AS WELL AND I HAVE NO ISSUES WITH TRAILHEAD, JUST LIKE JONATHAN SAID. I KNOW WORKING WITH MICHAEL WILL BE A BEAUTIFUL, AMAZING TRANSITION TO THE MONON TRAIL. SO I HAVE NO ISSUES WITH THAT, BUT BE READY FOR MATT TO BEAT YOU UP IN LAND USE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND THANK YOU TO DAN FOR MAKING THIS BUILDING NOT LOOK SO MONOLITHIC. SO GOOD JOB TO YOU TOO. 
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          >> IN JUST, I WOULD LIKE TO ECHO JONATHAN'S COMMENT . AS I LOOK AT THIS, AND ONE WHO USES THE MONON TRAIL A LOT. IF YOU ARE ABLE TO SEE THE PARKING LOT FROM THE MONON, YOU COULD HAVE -- YOU COULD BE INVITING PEOPLE TO PARK THERE THAT YOU ARE NOT INTENDING TO PARK THERE BECAUSE FREQUENT USERS OF THE MONON LOVE TO FIND THAT THERE IS ANY PLACE TO PARK THEIR CAR AND THEN GO WALK 14 
          MILES ON MONON. >> THIS ACTUALLY DOVETAILS WITH -- I'M GOING TO SHARE THIS AGAIN AS A REMINDER. SO THE TUNNELS JUST TO BE RIGHT OFF THE PAGE HERE, AND SO THAT PLANNED VIEW THAT WE LOOKED AT IS APPROXIMATELY -- HERE IS THE EXIT TO THE TUNNEL. IT IS ABOUT RIGHT HERE. SO I MENTIONED EARLIER, ONE OF THE GOALS OF MOVING THE TRAILHEAD SOUTH YEAR, THIS LOCATION WHICH IS AROUND 300 FEET SOUTH OF THE TRAIL OR EXCUSE ME, THE TUNNEL, ONE OF THE GOALS WAS TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL'S TRAINING FROM U.S. 31 AND FOR THE PARKING AREA. SO YOU KNOW, THERE IS SOME DEBATE OVER WHETHER THIS IS REALLY A MONON FRONT SIGHT BECAUSE WE HAVE THIS SLIVER OF SITE HERE THAT CONNECTS TO BE MONON AND THE BUILDING STOPS DOWN HERE. 
          BUT WE OWN THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY UP HERE. AND SO THEREFORE IT IS NOW MONON OVERLAID, AND SO THIS BUILDING ITSELF IS 150 FEET OFF THE MONON TRAIL BUT THE BUILDING IS NOT MONON ADJACENT. THERE IS A STORMWATER DMV BETWEEN BUT OUR GOAL UP HERE WAS TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL SCREENING AND LANDSCAPING AND MOUNDING TO AGAIN, HIDE THE PARK BUT ALSO HIDE U.S. 31. THAT IS WHY WE PUSHED ALL THIS ACTIVATION OFF THE TRAIL DOWN HERE. SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE MONON OVERLAID AND THE CAR IS VISIBLE FROM THE TRAIL, THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT SEPARATION 'S BETWEEN THE MONON AND PARKING SO WE ARE USING THAT SPACE TO PROVIDE MOUNDING AND FIT PLANTING. IT IS NOT SOMETHING YOU WOULD EXPERIENCE FROM THEIR AND THAT WAS THE GOAL WITH ALSO WHY WE PUSHED THE PARK SPACE FURTHER SOUTH. 
          >> SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER AN EXACT NUMBER, BUT SO I CAN GET A FEEL, WOULD THAT BE PARK FOR FIVE CARS OR 15? 
          >> THIS AREA IS ABOUT 20 CARS TOTAL. IT IS REALLY THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, NOT THE PRIMARY PARK. THE PRIMARY PARKING ¿ AN ACTUAL DIAGRAM, THE ACTUAL PARKING IS OVER HERE AND THEN UNDERNEATH THE BUILDING, VERY FEW SPACES OVER HERE, BUT WE NEEDED 
          ADDITIONAL PARKING ADD IN. >> BUT THAT COUNTS TOWARDS THE 
          PARKING COUNT. >> WE CANNOT DELETE IT. 
          >> I'M SAYING ¿ I'M CURIOUS TO THE MONON THERE, THAT DELETES SOME OF THE PARKING COUNT FOR THE -- VIVA BENE . 
          >> THERE ARE ALL SORTS OF TOOLS WE CAN USE AND THIS IS PRIVATE PARKING AND WE WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO LABEL THE SPACES AS SUCH. IT WOULD BE UNLIKELY SOMEONE WOULD PARK IN A PRIVATELY RESERVED SPACE THAT IS MARKED AS SUCH IN A TOTAL WEIGHT ZONE. WE HAVE A HEALTHY SETBACK FROM THE TRAIL AND WE WILL USE THE DIRT AND THE MOUNDING HERE. WE WILL HIDE IT. MY PRIMARY CONCERN IS NOT PEOPLE PARK IN THERE, IT IS THAT I DON'T WANT TO SEE IT FROM THE MONON AND THAT IS WHERE I HAVE BEEN FOCUSED, HOW DO I MOUND AND SCREEN IT? BUT IT IS NOT LIKE 10 FEET OFF THE TRAIL, IT IS 100 FEET OFF THE TRAIL. 
          >> THE OTHER EXHIBIT YOU SHOWED THAT HAS THE TRAILHEAD EXHIBIT, IF YOU WILL, YOU MENTIONED JUSTIN WORKING WITH CARMEL CLAY PARKS AND MAYBE SOME TYPE OF CREDIT AGREEMENT, THAT IS FOR THE TRAILHEAD PIECE ITSELF? IS THAT CORRECT? 
          >> WHEN WE DID THE AGREEMENT, I THINK IT IS 2020 OR 2021, IT WAS TO WAIVE THE IMPACT FEES FOR THERE IS AN URBAN FARM SPACE IN THE STORMWATER AREA , AND ALL OF THAT IS IN A COMMUNITY TRUST AND WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE PARKS DEPARTMENT THAT IF FOR SOME REASON IT IS NO LONGER USED AND THERE IS LIKE AN 18 MONTH PERIOD, IF IT IS NO LONGER USED THE OWNERSHIP WERE TRANSFERRED TO THE PARKS DEPARTMENT. 
          >> WE HAVE PERMANENT COMMUNITY ASSETS AND THIS PIECE UP HERE WAS NOT PART OF THAT ORIGINAL AGREEMENT AND WE ARE ADDING IT IN. WE ARE ADDING ADDITIONAL SPACE. 
          >> IT MAKES SENSE I GUESS MY FOLLOW-UP THOUGHT OR QUESTION TO THAT IS SO -- I GET THAT THERE ARE STILL DETAILS TO WORK OUT, 
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BUT IS YOUR GOAL TO CONSTRUCT THAT WITH THE REMAINDER OF THE DEVELOPMENT SO THAT IT IS THERE? YOU KNOW, CUT THE RIBBON, SO TO 
          SPEAK ? IS THAT FAIR TO SAY? >> YES. AND SEPARATE FROM THIS AGREEMENT OR THIS APPROVAL THAT WE ARE SEEKING NOW, WE ARE STILL CONSTRUCTING IT. WE ALREADY HAVE BEEN GIVEN THE IMPACT FEE WAIVERS. WE ARE OBLIGATED TO BUILD THIS. AND SO , AND I'M NOT SURE PROCEDURALLY, I UNDERSTAND THIS IS CORRECT, BUT IN MY MINDS EYE, THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CURRENT PROPOSAL THAT IS -- THAT WE ARE DISCUSSING. THIS WAS AN OBLIGATION FOR US TO GET THIS BUILT, BUT IT MADE SENSE THAT WE WOULD DO THE PLANNING IN CONJUNCTION WITH THIS PHASE, BECAUSE WE DID NOT KNOW EXACTLY HOW ALL THE SIDEWALKS AND PATHS WOULD TIE INTO PHASE 1 AND NOW THAT WE HAVE THE BUILDING SHIPS, WE CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO WEAVE THE PATHS TOGETHER. 
          >> AND I GUESS ONE FOLLOW-UP LIST AND THAT I'M TRYING TO GET TO -- OKAY, THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING ABOUT THE TRAILHEAD. 
          THESE OTHER TRAILS ADJACENT TO THE BUILDINGS AND ON THE SITE ¿ IT LOOK LIKE THEY WERE ON THE SITE TO ME. IT LOOKS LIKE THOSE ARE, YOU KNOW, YOUR ALL'S TO MAINTAINING THEIR NOT BECOMING BARCLAYS PARKS ASSETS. AND I GUESS -- THANKS FOR INDULGING MY QUESTIONS THERE. THE NOTION THAT THE TRAIL COMES AROUND, COMES TO THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE SITE, PERHAPS WE COULD GO TO THE OTHER EXHIBIT TO SEE THE BIGGER PICTURE OF THAT. YES. THAT ONE. 
          AS IT COMES TO THE SOUTH AND NEAR BUILDINGS B, F AND G, THE WRAPAROUND. IS ANY OF THAT CONNECT TO THE DRIVEWAY THAT 
          COMES UP TO THE SOUTH? >> THE DRIVEWAY THAT IS THERE IS ADJACENT TO THE URBAN FARM SPACE AND HAS A CULVERT. THERE IS A DITCH THROUGH THERE AND WE ARE REMOVING THAT BECAUSE IT BLOCKS THE FLOW OF THE STORM WATER THAT COMES DOWN UNDER 31 AND THROUGH. 
          AND THEN WE ARE REPLACING THAT WITH A FOOTBRIDGE THAT COMES OFF OF THIS. AGAIN, OFF THE PROJECT SITE THAT WE ARE SEEKING APPROVAL FOR, BUT IT IS PART OF THIS PROJECT. WE HAVE COMMITTED TO A TRAIL. THIS IS PART OF THE PARKS RECREATION IMPACT FEE WAIVER THAT CONNECTS FROM THIS PARK SPACE AND WHINES THROUGH AND CONNECTS TO THE FARM SO THERE WOULD BE A PEDESTRIAN PATH THROUGHOUT THE SITE. 
          >> GLAD TO HEAR THAT. I GUESS I HAVE A LIST AND FOR LEXI.  THE STAFF REPORT THAT WE GOT, IT HAS IN BOLD TEXT, THREE OTHER WAIVERS THAT ARE NOT PART OF THE DOCKET WE READ HIM. HAD WE AMEND THAT? OR WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN THERE? 
          >> YES, GOOD QUESTION. SO THE PLAN WAS THAT THEY WILL HAVE THOSE FILED AND THE PUBLIC NOTICE COMPLETED SO THAT THEY CAN BE HEARD ONCE THIS GOES BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          >> AND WE ARE ABLE TO GET THEM CAUGHT UP SO TO SPEAK? 
          >> THAT IS THE IDEA, SO WE CAN IF THIS WERE TO GO TO THE MAY COMMITTEE, THEN IDEALLY THINGS WOULD BE WRAPPED UP AND IT COULD GO TO THE PLAN COMMISSION FOR THE FINAL VOTE AND AT THAT TIME YOU HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THOSE EXTRA WAIVERS. 
          'S NECK ONE OF THE ELEMENTS ON HERE MENTIONS THE DEAD END STREETS AND THE HAMMERHEAD, WHICH WOULD BE CONSIDERED FOR WAIVER AND IS CULDESAC LENGTH INCLUDED IN THAT OR IS IT NOT APPLICABLE WITH HOW IT WRAPS AROUND THE CIRCLE? 
          >> GOOD QUESTION. >> IF IT SHOULD BE ADDED, LET'S MAKE SURE THAT WE DO NOT PERMIT THAT. 
          >> LET ME LOOK INTO THAT ONE BECAUSE WE HAVE THE CIRCLE THERE. BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, THERE IS NORMALLY A CULDESAC MAXIMUM LENGTH. I WILL DOUBLE CHECK THAT. 
          >> OKAY. 
          THAT IS ALL THAT WE HAVE GOT, THANKS. 
          >> IF I COULD JUMP IN TOO ABOUT THE TRAILHEAD. THE REASON I WAS BRINGING IT UP, IT WAS ALSO A COMMITMENT AS PART OF THE PRIMARY PLAT THAT IT WOULD GO UP AND CONNECT TO THE MONON, SO WE WANTED TO SEE THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT WAS HAPPENING. 
          >> AND I CERTAINLY DO NOT WANT TO AVOID THE DIALOGUE, BUT I WOULD ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE AGREEMENT WITH THE PARKS DEPARTMENT COULD BE MONTHS AND HOW WE PLAN THAT OUT. 
          >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS? DO I HAVE A MOTION? 
          >> I MOVE WE CONTINUE THIS ITEM TO THE NEXT COMMITTEE MEETING. 
          >> I MOVE WE CONTINUE ALL OF THE DOCKET ITEMS THAT WERE READ HIM PREVIOUSLY TO THE NEXT COMMITTEE MEETING. 
          >> SECOND. 
          >> IT HAS BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED TO TAKE ALL DOCUMENTS HERE AND MOVE THEM TO THE MAY SIX COMMITTEE MEETING FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. OPPOSED? 
          >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.