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>> GOOD EVENING I'M NOW CALLING TO ORDER THE MONDAY, JUNE 23RD, REGULAR MEETING OF THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS. WOULD YOU PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE .
>> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
>> THANK YOU. LET'S DO THE ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
>> SALIM NAJJAR? >> DENNIS LOCKWOOD ?
[D. Declaration of Quorum]
[E. Approval of Minutes and Findings of Facts of Previous Meetings]
>> PRESENT . >> CHRISTINE ZOCCOLA?
>> PRESENT . >> WE HAVE THE MINUTES FROM PREVIOUS MEETINGS, I ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
>> ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THOSE?
>> AYE . >> THAT UNANIMOUS. ANY COMMUNICATIONS BILLS OR EXPENDITURES TO REPORT ?
>> I HAVE NOTHING . >> ANY OTHER ANNOUNCEMENTS,
[H. (UV) Smith-Thompson Accessory Dwelling Use Variance.]
REPORTS, OR DEPARTMENT CONCERNS?>> NOTHING TO REPORT FOR ME . >> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU WE WILL MOVE TO PUBLIC HEARINGS . WE HAVE TWO THIS EVENING. THE FIRST IS THE SMITH THOMPSON ACCESSORY DWELLING USE VARIANCE. THE APPLICANT SEEKS THE USE OF AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT .
PEASY-2025 . IS LOCATED AT 170 60 HIGHLAND DRIVE. IT IS ZONED RESIDENTIAL AND FILED ON MOLLY SMITH ON BEHALF OF KAY AND DOUGLAS THOMPSON, OWNERS. CAN WE HAVE THE PETITIONER COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE? PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD WHEN YOU START. JUST PUSH THE BUTTON AT THE BASE OF THE MICROPHONE TO
TURN IT ON. THERE YOU GO . >> MY NAME IS MOLLY SMITH, I AM THE PETITIONER AND I AM THE DAUGHTER TO DOUG AND KAY THOMPSON, THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY. BASICALLY, MY GRANDPARENTS BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY IN 1949 AND WE HAVE BEEN THERE EVER SINCE. SO, MY FATHER WENT TO CARMEL ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND HIGH SCHOOL, AS DID I . NOW, MY PARENTS ARE AGING, AS WE ALL DO . SO, THE MAIN POINT OF THIS IS TO JUST BE CLOSE BY.
RIGHT NOW I AM HEARING ABOUT CALLS ABOUT EMERGENCY ROOM VISITS AFTER THEY HAPPEN AND I WOULD PREFER TO BE THERE TO HEAR WHAT IS GOING ON. IN THE WOODS BEHIND THE HOUSE , THERE IS A SPOT NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART . YOU CAN STILL SEE MY DAD'S PLAYHOUSE FROM WHEN HE WAS LITTLE. I'M SORRY , SO EITHER WAY THE PROPOSAL IS ROOTED IN LEGACY AND RESPONSIBILITY . I AM NOT LOOKING AT THIS LIGHTLY . I'M NOT TRYING TO GO IN AND PLACE DOWN THE TREES. SHOOT, I'VE WONDERED THOSE WORDS 36 YEARS SO I KNOW WHERE THE DEER LIVE AND WHERE THEY RANK IN THE WINTERTIME . I KNOW WHERE THE WOODCHUCKS LIVE . I KNOW THE TREES THAT ARE HEALTHY HAVE BEEN THERE FOREVER. I HAVE FOUND A LOCATION THAT DOES NOT IMPACT ANY OF THE LARGE LONG-STANDING TREES ON THE PROPERTY. IT DOES NOT HAVE ANY DEER FOOTPRINTS AT ANY POINT OF THE YEAR IN IT. AND, I MEAN, AT THIS POINT -- MY HUSBAND TRAVELS FOR WORK AND WHEN HE IS HOME -- HE WORKS AS A HIGH-VOLTAGE TEST TECHNICIAN. WHEN HE IS HOME, HE FINDS JOY IN HARVEST RATIONS AND WE HAVE MULTIPLE CARS AT THIS POINT . WE NEED PLACES TO STORE OUR CARS. THAT'S IT . IT'S NOT A JOB SITE OR WORKSITE . IT IS NOT ANYTHING EXCEPT A PRIVATE HOME THAT HAS CARS THAT WE THEN TAKE TO CAR SHOWS OR TWO DRIVES ON THE WEEKEND, OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT . THIS PLAN IS NOT MADE HASTILY AND IT COMES FROM YEARS OF THOUGHT WITH THE FULL UNDERSTANDING OF THE RESPONSIBILITY WE CARRY. NOT JUST TO OUR FAMILY BUT TO THE WOODS THEMSELVES AND TO OUR NEIGHBORS. AND TO THE COMMUNITY WE HAVE BEEN PART OF 75 YEARS
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NOW. SO, EITHER WAY, THIS IS MY SITE PLAN AND YOU CAN SEE MY PARENTS ' HOUSE IS UP HERE IN THE CORNER . THERE IS A CREEK THAT RUNS THROUGH THE PROPERTY AND SO I AM TALKING TO MULTIPLE ENGINEERS RIGHT NOW TO TALK ABOUT HOW LONG THE DISTANCE -- WE HAVE TO SEE WHAT IS THE WORST CASE SCENARIO FOR FLOODING FOR THE TIME SPAN. WE HAVE TO GET ENGINEERING TO NOT IMPACT THE FLOW OF THE CREEK EVEN A WORST CASE SITUATIONS . BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THE PROPOSED BUILD, WE ALSO HAVE TO HAVE -- WE ARE TALKING TO THE ENGINEERS ABOUT A RETENTION PLAN. SO ANY AREA THAT USED TO BE TREES IS GOING TO HAVE A DIFFERENT WATER RUNOFF , THAT'S JUST HOW IT IS . WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WATER RETENTION PLANS SO ANY WATER OFF THE ROOF DOESN'T POOL OR ERODE THE LAND THAT IS THERE . IT DOESN'T DO ANYTHING TO IMPACT ANYTHING AROUND IT NEGATIVELY. IT WILL NOT FLOOD OTHER PROPERTIES AND IT WILL BE LET OUT IN A CONTROLLED ENVIRONMENT SO IT DOESN'T IMPACT ANYTHING LONG-TERM. THE BUILDING ITSELF WILL HAVE THE TALLEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING WITHIN THE 18 SEAT REGULATIONS FOR AN ADU OF A PROPERTY THIS SIZE. AGAIN, IT IS LITERALLY FOR MY TWO YOUNG BOYS, MY HUSBAND, ME , AND THE CARS WE TAKE OUT ON THE WEEKENDS. MY PARENTS HAVE SUPPORTED ME FOR EVERYTHING I HAVE DONE. I WANT TO BE THERE, NOW, TO SUPPORT THEM . THAT IS REALLY WHAT THIS DOING ANYTHING HALFWAY . I HAVE TALKED TO, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE TO LOOK AT WAYS TO PREVENT CHANGES TO THE LANDSCAPE INTO THE WILDLIFE THAT LIVES THERE. AND , IT'S NOT MY GOAL TO COME IN AND CHANGE ANYTHING, IT IS TO BE THERE TO HELP MY PARENTS. SO, THAT IS THAT .>> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH . IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS PETITION?
>> ALL RIGHT, IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO OPPOSE OR SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THIS PROPOSITION?
>> YES . OKAY, GO ON UP TO THE MICROPHONE. AGAIN, STATE YOUR NAME JUST FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. THANK YOU . YOU WILL HAVE TWO MINUTES . THE GREEN LIGHT WILL BE ON AND THEN IT WILL GO TO YELLOW AND RED WHEN YOU ARE OUT OF TIME.
>> ALL RIGHT . >> GOOD EVENING, KAROLINE'S STUART . I'M NOT HERE TO OPPOSE THIS AND I AM NOT TRYING TO BE CONFRONTATIONAL . WE WANT TO PROPOSE FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION THAT WE LIVE WEST OF THE PROPERTY AND ITS CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY LINE WITH NO WOODS. WE ARE ASKING YOU TO CONSIDER THE 75 FEET . IT IS VERY CLOSE TO US ESPECIALLY IF TREES GO DOWN IN THE FALL OR WINTER . IF YOU ARE CONSIDERING PRIVACY, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU CONSIDER AND APPRECIATE THE WOODS . IT'S NOT A SUBDIVISION AND PEOPLE GO THERE AND LIVE THERE BECAUSE THEY APPRECIATE MORE LAND AND PRIVACY. WE ARE A LITTLE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE PROXIMITY OF THE BUILDINGS. IT IS NOT HERE TO SAY NO . WE DO RESPECT THE FAMILY LAND AND EVERYTHING YOU GUYS HAVE BUILT AND YOUR FAMILY HISTORY . ALL WE ASK IS THAT YOU CONSIDER THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE HOMES BECAUSE THERE ARE NO MORE WORDS PASS OUR PROPERTY LINE . IF YOU ARE LOOKING TO
HAVE PRIVACY AS WELL -- >> IF YOU HAVE MORE TO CONTINUE,
ADDRESSED THE BOARD . >> THIS IS TO ASKED TO CONSIDER THE DISTANCE . WE ARE PROPOSING MORE THAN 75 FEET IF THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED . JUST FOR THE PRIVACY AND OUT OF RESPECT FOR
THE PROPERTIES . >> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.
>> IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? I DIDN'T SEE ANYONE .
>> OKAY, PETITIONER, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME UP AND SPEAK TO
THAT? THANK YOU. >> YOU WILL HAVE FIVE MINUTES TO
RESPOND. >> SO , THE ACTUAL RULES AND REGULATIONS FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD ARE FIVE FEET OFF OF THE
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PROPERTY LINE. SO, I FELT LIKE 75 FEET WAS FAIRLY APPROPRIATE .WE CAN ALWAYS TALK FURTHER. IT COMES DOWN TO THE 100 YEAR PLAN AND IT COMES DOWN TO WHERE I CAN BUILD, HONESTLY. IF WE WANT TO TALK FURTHER ABOUT ROTATING THE HOUSE AND GETTING IT FARTHER AWAY, THAT'S FINE . I'M NOT HERE TO TRY TO CAUSE PROBLEMS OR HAVE A NEIGHBOR WHO HATES ME BECAUSE THAT MAKES THINGS BAD.
SO, WE CAN ABSOLUTELY TALK ABOUT THINGS FURTHER , THAT IS TOTALLY FINE . I NEED TO GET MORE INFORMATION AS FAR AS WHERE I'M ALLOWED TO BUILD WITH FLOOD PLANES AND RETENTION WATERS AND RULES AND REGULATIONS FOR CROSING THE CREEK AND ALL OF THAT BEFORE I CAN GIVE YOU A FINAL, THIS IS WHERE THINGS WILL BE. SO, I CAN'T GET MUCH INFORMATION UNTIL I GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS. SO, THAT IS THAT .
>> THANK YOU . >> LET'S GO TO THE DEPARTMENT
REPORT, PLEASE . >> THANK YOU. THIS SITE IS NOT LOCATED IN THE SUBDIVISION AND THERE IS NO HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION . THE PETITIONER HAS WORKED CLOSELY WITH US TO MEET THE STANDARDS FOR MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT, SETBACK, AND THINGS LIKE THAT . PLANNING STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF THIS REQUEST. ANY DIVERSITY OF HOUSING TYPES IN THE COMMUNITY IS A POSITIVE THING . THE PETITIONER CONTINUES TO WORK ON TECHNICAL REVIEW COMMENTS AND WE ASKED THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE CONDITIONAL OF APPROVAL APPROVED THIS EVENING. THEY ARE WORKING WITH THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, AS STATED REGARDING THE DRIVEWAY ACROSS THE CREEK AND DRAINAGE PLANS. WE DO HAVE POSITIVE CONSIDERATION FOR THE USE VARIANCE REQUEST WITH THE PETITIONER ADDRESSING REMAINING TECHNICAL REVIEW CONTENTS AS WELL AS THE INFORMATION OF FACT.
>> THANK YOU. BOARD MEMBERS, ANY QUESTIONS?
>> FIRST OF ALL, PETITIONER, WELL DONE . YOU HAVE PUT A LOT OF THOUGHT INTO THIS. I LOVE SEEING FAMILIES TAKING CARE OF FAMILY AND SO YOU HAVE GOOD MOTIVATION BEHIND THIS. AND , AS FAR AS THE 75 FEET VERSUS WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO DO, THAT WOULD NOT BE, IN ANY WAY IMPACTING THE APPROVAL OF THIS FOR ME . I THINK YOU HAVE PUT A TON OF THOUGHT INTO THIS . STAFF WOULD HAVE TOLD YOU IF ANYTHING WAS WAY TOO CLOSE. ANYWHERE ELSE IT WOULD BE FIVE OR 10 FEET OFF THE PROPERTY LINE . IF YOU COULD WORK SOMETHING OUT, GREAT, BUT THAT'S NOT A CONDITION OF
APPROVAL FOR ME. SO, WELL DONE. >> I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD. I @ THE SENTIMENTS. YEAH, THE CHANGE IN THE DISTANCE FROM THE PROPERTY LINE IS ENTIRELY -- UNLESS HE GOES OUTSIDE OF OUR STANDARDS, IT'S UP TO YOU. SO I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION .
>> SO MOVED. MOVED TO APPROVE WITH THE CONDITIONS ADDRESSED IN
THE RECOMMENDATION. >> ADDRESSING THE TECHNICAL REVIEW COMMENTS AND THE ADOPTION OF THE FINDINGS OF FACT?
>> MOTION AND SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR ?
[H. (SE) Cain Short Term Residential Rental.]
>> AYE. >> THE MOTION PASSES AND YOU ARE APPROVED TO DO THAT. THE NEXT AND LAST AGENDA ITEM FOR THIS EVENING WITH A SHORT-TERM RESIDENTIAL RENTAL. THE REQUEST FOR AN ST RR UNIT. DOCKET PEASY 2025 -0099-S E . EXCEPTION APPROVAL REQUIRED FOR SHORT-TERM RESIDENTIAL RENTAL USE. THIS SITE LOCATED AT 10470 ROCK SLEEP BEND . IT IS ZONED S 1 RESIDENCE FILED BY STEPHANIE GILBERT ON BEHALF OF VIVIAN KANE, THE OWNER. WOULD THE PETITIONER LIKE TO COME UP AND PRESENT PLEASE?
>> YOUR MICROPHONE IS ON, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.
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>> STEPHANIE GILBERT . >> THANK YOU . I HAD A POWERPOINT SITUATION GOING ON AND IT HAS BEEN CONDENSED IN MY PHONE, SO BEAR WITH ME. SO, AGAIN, STEPHANIE GILBERT. I AM ON BEHALF OF VIVIAN KANE , THE OWNER ACT 17404 ROCK SLEEP BEND IN CARMEL. THE ZONING IS S-1 RESIDENTIAL . SHARED RENTALS TARGETING GUESTS, EXECUTIVE TRAVELERS, SPIRITUAL LEADERS, HIGH-END SPORTS FAMILY GETAWAYS AND WEDDING GROUPS. COMPLIANCE IS WHY I HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH VIVIAN AND CHECKING ALL THE BOXES, IF YOU WILL, AS ARE RESULT OF THE FULL BZA PACKET PRESENTED . SHE IS LOOKING AT THE OVERALL GUEST EXPERIENCE TO BE HIGH-END AND HIGH LEVEL TARGETING ELITE GROUPS. AS SUCH, ENSURING HER HOME IS 110 PERCENT COMPLIANT . SO VIDEO DOORBELLS AND SECURITY MEASURES TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION, ABSOLUTELY. SO, SHE IS COMMITTED TO EXCEEDING EXPECT HAITIANS . WORKING WITH VIVIAN ON HER BEHALF , WE ARE THE ALL EXPECTATIONS FOR STRR.
RESPECTFUL OF NEIGHBORS AND THE GUIDELINES AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO VIVIAN . ON-SITE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT WITH WALK-THROUGHS AND ALL GUESTS PROVIDED . I SINCERELY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND THOUGHTFUL CONSIDERATION, VIVIAN KANE .
>> HELLO, MY NAME IS VIVIAN KANE. I AM THE PROUD OWNER OF BEING IN WINDSOR TO WINDSOR GROVE. I HAVE WORKED VERY HARD ALL MY LIFE. I HAVE NOT BEEN PRIVILEGED ONE IOTA. MY PARENTS DIED WHEN I WAS 18 MONTHS OLD AND THERE'S A BIG HOLE IN MY HEART. I DON'T HAVE FAMILY. I HAVE ONE SON AND MY HUSBAND PASSED AWAY. SO, WHAT PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND IS THAT ALICIA TOPOL AND JAKE YOU AND TERESA ESTRADA AND REED HOYER AND DAVE CRUTCHFIELD, IRENA CLAD BACK. BRIDGET AND MARK AND HIS TERESA ESTRADA, YOU DON'T KNOW MY PAIN . MY NAME IS VIVIAN KANE . I AM THE HONE OWNER , BUSINESS OWNER AND A PROUD BLACK WOMAN LIVING IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD . I HAVE VERY HIGH STANDARDS AND I HAVE WORKED VERY HARD TO BE AT THIS POINT IN MY LIFE. LET'S LOOK AT 25, 25 , 25. I HAVE BEEN AN ENTREPRENEUR 25 YEARS. NOT ONLY IN CARMEL BUT INDIANAPOLIS. I HAVE BEEN A PERSON IN THESE COUNTIES OVER 25 YEARS. I WAS MARRIED 25 YEARS BEFORE MY HUSBAND PASSED AWAY IN 2021. I AM LEFT WITH ONE SON. AND NOT I'M IN I YOU GRADUATE IN 2000 WITH A TRIPLE MBA . NO PARENTS AND I WORKED HARD TO GET THROUGH SCHOOL. SCHOOL WAS NOT ENJOYABLE FOR ME AS A GRADUATE OR UNDERGRADUATE. I HAVE A TRIPLE MBA IN THREE YEARS AND THAT IS HARD WORK . SO, OVER THE LAST 25 YEARS, I HAVE EDUCATED THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF CHILDREN WITH MONTESSORI TOOLS. I HAVE A PROPRIETARY SYSTEM TO WORK WITH CHILDREN WITH AUTISM THAT MAKES THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE . THE TOOLS I'VE CREATED, THEY ARE ABLE TO GO TO SCHOOL AND LEARN IN WAYS THEY HAVE NOT BEFORE. THAT IS ONE OF THE MOST CHALLENGING POPULATIONS THAT DON'T GET THE SERVICES BUT I TAKE PRIDE IN WORKING WITH CHILDREN THAT ARE UNDERPRIVILEGED. NOT ONLY THAT , BUT OVER THE PAST 25 YEARS, I HAVE BROUGHT IN OVER $75 MILLION TO THIS ECONOMY IN THE TRI-STATE. I'VE EMPLOYED HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE. I HAVE EDUCATED TEACHERS . I HAVE EDUCATED PSYCHOLOGISTS TO WORK
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WITH OUR CHILDREN AND BEHAVIORAL HEALTH. OCCUPATIONAL THERAPY AND SPEECH THERAPY. I'M NOT AN MD AND I OWN THE COMPANY AND I DO USE THOSE SERVICES TO HELP CHILDREN WITH AUTISM. LIKE YOU , MOST OF YOU ARE DOCTORS . WHEN I LOOK YOU UP -->> MS. KANE, PLEASE ADDRESS THE BOARD.
>> YES, THANK YOU. >> LIKE THE COMMUNITY THAT ARE PETITIONING AGAINST ME . I'M NOT YOUR TYPICAL AFRICAN AMERICAN . I COME WITH GREAT STRENGTH AND GREAT PRIDE. SO THE NOISE AND RIFFRAFF IS NOT MY CHARACTER. I HAVE CONTRACTS THE PEOPLE NEED TO SIGN . I AM WILLING TO BE COMPLIANT ANY WAY POSSIBLE AND TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR. THE COMPANY IS CALLED SALT AND POWER RESERVE . IT IS MY HOME . I OFFER SOMETHING INTENTIONAL. A PEACEFUL HIGH QUALITY SPACE THAT BRINGS IN FAITH-BASED LEADERS AND SPORTS FAMILIES. IT'S REFLECTION OF MY VALUES AND AN EFFORT TO CREATE SOMETHING ROOTED IN HOSPITALITY.
I FOLLOW EVERY STEP AND I BEEN TRANSPARENT, RESPECTFUL AND COMMITTED TO MAINTAINING PEACE IN THE COMMITTEE. AS A -- COMMUNITY. BEFORE ANYONE NEW IN 2024, I REACHED OUT TO MY I'M LOOKING FOR WAYS TO RETIRE BECAUSE I'VE HAD A STROKE. I HAVE BEEN IN THE HEALTH CENTER AND CAN NO LONGER BE THE ENTREPRENEUR I WAS . I'M ON A PATH WHERE I NEED TO HAVE INCOME. WHERE MY LIFE IS EASIER WITH LESS STRESS . THE STRESS OF HAVING 25 EMPLOYEES AT THREE LOCATIONS AND AN EMPLOYEE -- PAYROLL OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OVER THE COURSE OF THE YEARS, I CANNOT DO IT ANYMORE. AND, MY HUSBAND IS NOT ALIVE. I HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT I CAN DO FOR MYSELF. THIS IS THE ONLY PROPERTY I OWN . THIS IS MY RESIDENCE. THIS IS MY HOME .
IT'S MY ONLY HOME. IS NOT JUST WHERE I LIVE, IT'S HOW I LIVE.
THE INCOME ALLOWS ME TO PAY BILLS, STAY HOME AND PLAN FOR RETIREMENT. I DO NOT HAVE A BACKUP PROPERTY OR OTHER STRINGS OF INCOME TO FALL BACK ON. I WANT TO DO THINGS THE RIGHT WAY BUT I FEEL I AM TARGETED . I FEEL MY GUESTS HAVE BEEN MADE TO FEEL UNWELCOME . I HAVE HAD GUESTS COME TO MY HOME ON MY PROPERTY LINE YELLING AT MY GUESTS TO GET THEIR ATTENTION TO ASK THEM QUESTIONS. TO INVADE MY PRIVACY AND TO TAKE VIDEO OF ME AND PICTURES OF ME AND HARASS MY CONTRACTORS . MY PRIVACY HAS BEEN INVADED AND I DON'T FEEL SAFE IN MY OWN NEIGHBORHOOD . I FEEL LIKE I WALK ON EGGSHELLS. IT'S NOT MY GOLD TO BRING DOWN PROPERTY VALUE. AS A MATTER OF FACT , I RAISED PROPERTY VALUE.
I PAID $1.75 MILLION FOR THAT HOME AND IT'S THE HIGHEST INCOME HOME. WHEN YOU DO COMPS, IT BRINGS UP THE HOME VALUES AND I DON'T WANT TO LOSE THAT IN THE COMMUNITY AND IT PACKS ME TOO . I AM VERY PERSNICKETY ABOUT THE QUALITY OF THE PEOPLE I BRING BECAUSE I DON'T WANT MY NEIGHBORS TO FEEL UNSAFE OR FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE TO SPY ON ME TO KEEP ME IN LINE . I WANT TO FEEL TRUSTED AND I WANT TO FEEL COMFORTABLE. BOTH SIDES OF MY NEIGHBORS IN CAHOOTS SPY AND THEY HAVE VIDEOS IN MY HOME.
THEY APPROACH MY GUESTS . I AM NOT DIFFICULT TO DEAL WITH. I HAVE NOTICES HERE WHERE THEY YELL AT MY CONTRACTORS. THEY TELL ME, YOUR NEIGHBOR IS UNHAPPY AND I GO TO MY NEIGHBORS AND ASK WHAT I CAN DO? I GIVE THEM MY PHONE NUMBER AND I SAY IF YOU HAVE WESTERNS, IS IT OH K ? DO YOU LIKE WHAT YOU SEE? THEY SAY YES. I AM REASONABLE . I AM HIGH INTEGRITY. THE WAY THEY HAVE SAID THE PEOPLE LOITER . I HAVE PICTURES OF MY HOME AND WHEN MY GUESTS ARE THERE ON A FREE WEEKEND , I ABLE TO SEE THE OUTSIDES OF MY HOME AND HEAR THE NOISES ON MY PROPERTY AND I'M ABLE TO USE ONE OR TWO NOISE DEVICES BECAUSE I TOO DO CARE ABOUT BEING SAFE. I DO CARE ABOUT MY NEIGHBORS BEING HAPPY
AND FEELING SAFE. >> THEY ASK, WHY DIDN'T YOU
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COME TO ME ? WELL, I WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS. STEPHANIE SUBMITTED ALL OF MY INFORMATION BEFORE GOING PUBLIC . I CONSPIRED WITH THE HOA BACK IN NOVEMBER OF 2024 . THEN MS. STEPHANIE FOLLOWED UP AGAIN HERE RECENTLY AS PART OF THE PROCESS TO BE ABLE TO BE APPROVED. SO, THIS IS MY LIVELIHOOD AND I DON'T WANT IT TO BE TAKEN AWAY . OTHER THAN THAT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE I WOULD DO. I HAVE ALREADY HAD STRESS, I CAN'T DO IT ANYMORE. I'M NOT HERE TO FIGHT. I WORKED HARD AND FOUGHT ALL MY LIFE BECAUSE I DID NOT HAVE THE SUPPORT OF PARENTS.WORKING MY WAY THROUGH COLLEGE AND OPENING BUSINESSES BECAUSE I WANT TO BE A SUCCESSFUL ENTREPRENEUR. I WANTED FOOT REINS ON HOW MUCH MONEY AND WHERE I LIVE. I JUST WANT TO RETIRE IN PEACE AND BE COEXISTING AND STAY IN MY HOME.
THAT IS THE ONLY WAY RIGHT NOW I CAN DO IT BECAUSE I NO LONGER -- IT IS TIME FOR ME TO STEP DOWN. SO, I AM ASKING , ALLOW ME TO HAVE THAT PEACEFUL RETIREMENT THAT I FEEL MY NEIGHBORS ARE TRYING TO TAKE AWAY FOR ME AND MY HOA IS TRYING TO TAKE AWAY.
THEY DON'T WANT ME THERE AND THEY WANT ME TO MOVE OUT OF MY HOUSE. I DON'T FEEL SAFE AND I FEEL TARGETED AND DISCRIMINATED AGAINST . I'VE BEEN IN THE COMMUNITY 25 YEARS CONTRIBUTING MONEY , JOBS, EDUCATION , MEDICAL ACROSS ALL PLATFORMS. I HAVE MADE SOME MISTAKES , I PROBABLY HAVE . BUT I HAVE LISTENED AND I HAVE LEARNED AND I HAVE MADE CORRECTIONS . I COME HERE WITH SINCERITY AND HONESTY, PURE AND SIMPLE . THOSE ARE MY MOTTOS. HONESTY AND INTEGRITY, PURE AND SIMPLE , THAT'S MY
MOTTO, THANK YOU . >> THANK YOU .
>> OKAY, DO WE HAVE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN
SUPPORT OF THIS PETITION? >> OKAY, DO WE HAVE ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION ? ALL RIGHT, KEEP YOUR HANDS UP, I
NEED TO COUNT, PLEASE. >> I SEE SEVEN . YOU WILL EACH
GET ONE MINUTE . >> OKAY, ALL RIGHT . YEAH , SO I THINK THAT IS THE OPTION . IF YOU HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO SAY THE SAME THING, THEN YEAH , MAYBE WE COULD CUT THEM THE NUMBERS . I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE YOU 2 TO 3 MINUTES, THAT WOULD BE THE GOAL . SO, WHOEVER WOULD LIKE TO GO FIRST, COME ON UP AND REMEMBER TO STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. THEN, WHO WOULD EVER LIKE TO GO NEXT, START LINING UP HERE TO BE READY, THANK YOU .
>> YOU WILL BE SHOCKED, TWO OR THREE MINUTES IS A LONG TIME.
>> OKAY . >> HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GETTING UP, LET'S SEE. JUST THREE OF YOU ?
>> FIVE ? >> SO, YEAH, THREE MINUTES EACH
IS FINE . >> MY NAME IS TERESA ESTRADA AND I LIVE ON ROCK SLEEP END. NOT NEXT-DOOR BUT ACROSS THE CUL-DE-SAC AT LOT 12. I'M ALSO ON THE BOARD OF THE HOMEOWNERS .
WE ONLY FOUND OUT ABOUT THE REQUEST AND I THINK MAY OR APRIL, SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE . AND WHEN I LOOKED AT THE COVENANTS , WE ARE A NEW BOARD THAT JUST TOOK OVER FROM THE DEVELOPER AND SO WE WERE LOOKING AT IT AND IT SAID NO LOT MAY BE USED FOR SPECIAL USE THAT IS NOT INCIDENTAL FOR SINGLE-FAMILY DWELLING. WE THOUGHT THAT COVERED THAT WITH SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS BUT WE ARE HAVING LAWYERS LOOK AT IT AND WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF CHANGING THE WORDING AND DOING A VOTE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD . TWO OF THE MEMBERS WENT AROUND AN INTERVIEW DID NEIGHBORS TO FIND OUT WHAT PEOPLE FELT ABOUT THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL. FOR EVERYONE THEY WERE ABLE TO REACH WHICH WAS ONLY ONE PERSON AND NOT LIVE IN, EVERYONE WAS AGAINST HAVING SHORT-TERM RENTALS . WE FEEL WE HAVE MOVED INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE WE LIKE THE QUIET ATMOSPHERE. WE DON'T WANT PARTIES ON THE WEEKENDS OR LOTS OF EXTRA TRAFFIC. I AM NOT AGAINST THAT
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SHE IS TRYING TO LOOK FOR HIGH-END CUSTOMERS BETTER FOCUSES ON MAKING IT RATE FOR HER CUSTOMERS AND NOT PAYING ATTENTION TO WHAT HER NEIGHBORS WANT. WE HAD THREE RENTALS THIS MONTH ALONE AND THE NOISE FROM TWO OF THEM WAS CONSIDERABLE AND I COULD HEAR FROM INSIDE MY HOME WITH THE DOORS CLOSED. THE THIRD ONE, MY DAUGHTER AND I THOUGHT SOMEONE WAS IN PAIN OR SOMETHING BUT IT WAS THE RENTERS OUTSIDE OF OUR HOUSE MAKING WEIRD NOISES. LIKE A SCREAMING KID OR SOMETHING MAKING A DOG NOISE, I DON'T KNOW. ANYWAY, THAT AND JUST HAVING EXTRA TRAFFIC . IF YOU LIVE IN A CUL-DE-SAC , YOU ARE WANTING THAT SORT OF SECURITY THAT COMES WITH A DEAD END WITHOUT HIGH TRAFFIC .HAVING SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN A CUL-DE-SAC IN A NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE OURS -- AND I DON'T DOUBT VIVIAN'S WORK ETHIC. I HAVE NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT. IT'S NOT A GANG UP, IT'S JUST THAT EVERYONE WE SPOKE TO IS OTHERWISE AGAIN SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE WANT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. I FEEL SURE WE WILL PASS A RULE AGAINST IT. MY OTHER ISSUE IS NOT PERSONAL OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT . I DON'T THINK ANYONE IS SPYING BUT WE HAVE HAD ISSUES WITH NOISE . I AM FRIENDLY AND WE HAVE A FRIENDLY NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE TRY TO CONNECT WITH PEOPLE . I DIDN'T INTRODUCE MYSELF WHEN SHE MOVED IN AND I HAVE TRIED TO CONTACT HER MULTIPLE TIMES WHEN HER DOG WAS LOOSE. SHE DID NOT ANSWER THE DOOR OR THE PHONE AND I DON'T KNOW HOW TO REACH HER. I TRIED TO BE FRIENDLY. WE HAVE HAD SO MUCH PROBLEMS WHERE SHE DOES NOT ADDRESS OUR CONCERNS OTHERWISE
IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. >> THANK YOU.
>> ALL RIGHT, NEXT . >> I AM TERRY ANDERSON AND I
LIVE IN PINELAKE'S STAKES . >> SAY THAT AGAIN NOW THAT YOU
ARE AT THE MICROPHONE . >> I AM TERRY HENDERSON FROM PINELAKE'S STAKES. OUR YARDS ADJOINING. HER BACKYARD ADJOINS WITH MY BACKYARD AND THAT IS CLOSE. I TOO AM RETIRED AND HAVE LOOKED FORWARD TO A PEACEFUL, QUIET RETIREMENT. IT IS NOT THAT WAY ANYMORE. AND, WHOEVER WAS IN THERE BEFORE MADE A LOT OF NOISE TO THE POINT OF HOW LONG ARE WE GOING TO WAIT TWO WEEKS -- UNTIL WE CALL THE POLICE AND I DON'T WANT TO GET TO THAT AGAIN. I DON'T KNOW IF SHE LIVES IN THIS HOUSE OR IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD BUT SOMEPLACE ELSE . I TOO DO NOT KNOW HOW TO CALL SOMEONE TO REGISTER A COMPLAINT. WHAT I WANT TO KNOW IS IF THERE HOA WAS MADE AWARE OF THIS PROGRAM AND IF SO, WHAT DO THEY DO AND WHAT DO THEY RECOMMEND? THE THING WITH THE LEAP DINGHY ELITE PEOPLE, THEY ARE JUST AS NOISY AS NON-ELITE PEOPLE. THEY STILL PARTY AND MAKE NOISE AND HAVE FUN. WHEN YOU ARE TRYING TO GO TO SLEEP WHERE AT ONE OF THE LAST RENTALS, A LADY CAME TO SEE MY WIFE AND THEY SPENT THE ENTIRE DAY TOGETHER LISTENING TO NOISE. IT WAS A GROUP OF BACHELORETTES AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN IF THERE HAD BEEN MEN . YOU THROW A LITTLE BOOZE IN THERE AND HE GETS LOUDER AND MORE RAMBUNCTIOUS. I KNOW WINDS THE FOURTH OF JULY THAT MORE THAN LIKELY, PEOPLE WILL HAVE FIREWORKS. I HAVE GRANDKIDS AND I HAVE A DOG. I DON'T WANT THOSE IN MY YARD. I WAS ASKED IF I WAS GOING TO COME TO THIS BECAUSE THEY WANTED PEOPLE TO STATE OUR PURPOSE OF TRYING TO AVOID THIS FROM HAPPENING.
>> I TOO JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS THAT WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH THIS RENTAL HOUSE PROGRAM A WEEK AND A HALF AGO WHEN THE LADY WAS VISITING OUR HOME. THIS CAME IN OUR MAIL THE SAME DAY SHE WAS THERE AND SO THAT IS MY COMMENT .
>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> HELLO , MY NAME IS HELEN LANGE. I AM AT ONE 408 ROCK SLEEP AND NEXT-DOOR TO MS. VIVIAN KING. I LIVE THERE WITH MY HUSBAND AND FOUR CHILDREN.
AND , WHEN VIVIAN MOVED IN, WE WERE FRIENDLY TOWARDS HER AND I EVEN DROVE HER TO THE AIRPORT ONE DAY WHEN SHE DIDN'T HAVE HER UBER. WE TRY TO BE FRIENDLY AND THIS IS NOTHING PERSONAL.
HOWEVER , WE FOUND OUT SHE HAS BEEN RENTING OUT HOMES WITH THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL BEFORE THIS HEARING TODAY. WE ARE GREATLY
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DISMAYED AND DISAPPOINTED AND DISTURBED TO LEARN THAT SHE IS RENTING OUT HER HOME. AND , WE DID FIND THESE ONLINE. YOU KNOW, THE DIFFERENT RENTAL HOMES . AND , WE WERE QUITE DISMAYED . WE DID NOT CHOOSE TO LIVE IN CARMEL INDIANA IN THIS PARTICULAR WINTER GROVE NEIGHBORHOOD AND BUILD OUR HOUSE TO LIVE NEXT TO A HOTEL. SO, I TOO HAVE WORKED HARD TO GET TO WHERE I AM HERE TODAY. AND, I BELIEVE WE SHOULD BE COMPLIANT WITH THE RULES THAT CARMEL PUTS FORTH, INCLUDING HAVING THE SHORT-TERM PERMIT BEFORE ACTUALLY RENTING THE HOME OUT ON HOLIDAY WEEKENDS. THE WEEKENDS WHERE THE NOISE COMPLAINT WAS SO LOUD, WE DID SPEAK TO PEOPLE IN THE GREEN AS WELL AND THEY COULDN'T DO THEIR WORK EVEN WITH THE WINDOWS CLOSED. IT WAS A BACHELORETTE PARTY AND I DON'T BLAME THE BACHELORETTES AT ALL BUT IT WAS VERY LOUD. THIS I FOUND ON THE AIRBNB WEBSITE .>> THIS HOME AT 9:00 IS MY HOME AND THIS HOME AT 6:00 IS VIVIAN'S HOME. OUR DRIVEWAYS LITERALLY TOUCH EACH OTHER AND WE ARE BOTH ON THE LINE ABOUT A FOOT APART. THIS HERE IS WHERE MY CHILDREN PLAY BASKETBALL, RIGHT HERE WHERE MY CHILD PLAYS BASKETBALL . AND, THIS IS WHERE THE CARS ARE. AS YOU CAN SEE , THERE ARE TIMES WHERE PEOPLE ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE BACKUP AND OUR CHILDREN ARE THERE. I AM A PEDIATRICIAN AND I WORKED HARD TO BE THE PEDIATRICIAN. MY HUSBAND IS A MEDICAL DIRECTOR OF TRAUMA. WE CARE ABOUT CHILDREN, NOT JUST OUR CHILDREN BUT ALL CHILDREN. I STRONGLY OPPOSE SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD DUE TO THE INABILITY TO CHECK IF THE STRANGERS ARE TRANSIENT OR VIOLENT . I HAVE A 11-YEAR-OLD BOY AND A 10-YEAR-OLD BOY WAS MOLESTED AND MURDERED BY A NEIGHBORHOOD PREVIOUSLY CONVICTED OF CHILD MOLESTING. WE CAN CHECK ON THE WEBSITE. SO, YES , THAT WOULD BE MY ENDING.
WE CANNOT CHECK WHEN THEY ARE TRANSIENT.
>> THANK YOU. >> HELLO, MY NAME IS ALICIA TOPOL AND I'M ON THE OTHER SIDE OF MISS KANE'S PROPERTY AT 14 769 ROCK SLEEP BEND. I WANT TO RAISE MY SERIOUS CONCERN FOR HAVING THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL , ESPECIALLY IF AS IT IS LISTED ON THE AIRBNB'S AS A PARTY RENTAL. THIS HAS BROUGHT MULTIPLE DISRUPTIVE AND UNSAFE HATERS AND INCIDENTS TO HER OTHERWISE QUIET AND FAMILY ORIENTED NEIGHBORHOOD. I STRONGLY URGE YOU TO DENY THIS PERMIT . THERE'S A PATTERN OF IGNORING LOCAL REGULATIONS AND DISRUPTING OUR NEIGHBORHOOD . THERE'S A PATTERN OF DISRESPECT AND IRRESPONSIBILITY . THEY HAVE LISTED THIS PROPERTY AND RENTED IT THREE TIMES WITH MULTIPLE FUTURE BOOKINGS AS YOU SAW IN HELEN'S INFORMATION. MEMORIAL DAY AND AFTERWARDS FOR THE BACHELORETTE PARTY, BOTH WERE VERY LOUD PARTIES. THE FIRST WAS A NOISE COMPLAINT WITH MUSIC PLAYED AT 11:20 WHEN THE NOISE COMPLAINT WAS FILED . THE OTHER ONE, WE TALKED TO THE PARTYGOERS AND ASKED THEM EARLIER IN THE DAY TO TURN THEIR MUSIC DOWN. THE BACHELORETTE PARTY, SIMILARLY. MY HUSBAND WAS IN THE BACK AND THEY IDENTIFIED THEMSELVES AS A BACHELORETTE PARTY. IT WAS SO DISRUPTIVE TO MY NINE , SIX AND TWO-YEAR-OLD. MY OLDER CHILDREN PLAYING IN THE POOL COULD NOT HEAR MY HUSBAND WHEN HE WAS TALKING TO THEM.
SIMILARLY, SAFETY IS OF THE UTMOST IMPORTANCE. IT WAS AGAIN RENTED WITHOUT THE APPROVED PERMIT THIS PAST WEEK. THEY HAVE BEEN PROMOTING AND RENTING THIS WITHOUT HAVING THIS HEARING AND UNTIL THEY RECEIVE THE NOTICE TO REMOVE THE PROPERTY FROM THE LISTING AGENCIES. WE RECENTLY RELOCATED FROM PITTSBURGH AND WHEN I WAS LOOKING TO RELOCATE, I SPECIFICALLY SOUGHT OUT CARMEL . MY JOB IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE AND I DRIVE 45 MINUTES EVERY DAY TO GO TO FRANCISCAN HEALTH AND I'M ALSO A PHYSICIAN. THIS IS NOT ABOUT DISCRIMINATION, THIS IS ABOUT SEARCHING FOR PLACES WE WANTED TO RAISE OUR THREE YOUNG CHILDREN . WE SEARCHED THIS
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PLACE BECAUSE IT'S NATIONALLY KNOWN FOR BEING SAFE WITH GREAT EDUCATION AND BEING FAMILY-ORIENTED. THAT IS NOT WHAT A SHORT-TERM RENTAL PROMOTES . I WANTED A PLACE WE COULD GROW AS A YOUNG FAMILY AND IMPROVE OUR PROPERTY VALUES. NOT HAVE A TRANSIENT NATURE THAT JEOPARDIZES SAFETY , CLEANLINESS, AND PEACE THAT WE WANTED FOR OUR FAMILY. EVEN WITH THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL UP NORTH WHERE THERE WAS DRUG OVERDOSES AND POLICE HAD TO BE CALLED . THAT'S WHAT I FEAR IN OUR FUTURE. AGAIN, IT DOESN'T MATTER ABOUT ELITE . WHEN THEY SEE A HOUSE THAT CAN BE RENTED FOR OVER 12 PEOPLE, THAT SCREAMS PARTY HOUSE AND IT HAS BEEN USED FOR THAT ON MULTIPLE LOCATIONS.I STRONGLY RECOMMEND YOU DECLINE THIS AS A PERMIT . THERE ARE OTHER SAFETY CONCERNS AND ISSUES WE HAVE SUBMITTED IN OUR LETTERS
TO SUPPORT THAT. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU .
>> ALL RIGHT, LAST UP. >> HI , MY NAME IS BLAINE AND I LIVE AT WINDSOR GROVE DOWN THE ROAD LITTLE BIT FROM THE CUL-DE-SAC . WE CAME HERE A FEW YEARS AGO FROM SOUTH FLORIDA .
WE CAME FOR TWO REASONS . BECAUSE IN SOUTH FLORIDA , THE SCHOOLS ARE NOT SO GREAT AND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. I CAN TELL YOU FROM FIRST-HAND EXPERIENCE THAT IT DOESN'T HAPPEN OVERNIGHT , IT GOES SLOWLY . ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU WAKE UP IN EVERY OTHER HOUSE IS SHORT-TERM RENTAL. AND , YOU CAN'T RAISE A FAMILY . YOU DON'T KNOW WHO IS THERE AND IT IS REALLY KIND OF FRIGHTENING .
THAT'S NOT WHAT WE SIGNED UP FOR. WE DIDN'T SIGN UP TO LIVE BY HOTEL . THAT'S WHY THERE IS ZONING, RIGHT? NOBODY WANTS PERFECT STRANGERS IN AND AROUND THEIR HOUSE AFTER THEY HAVE WORKED REALLY HARD TO GET WHERE THEY WANT TO BE AND THEY BY THEIR DREAM HOME AND THERE FOREVER HOME. IT IS NOT WHAT WE THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO GET. AND, I DON'T THINK THAT IT IS GOOD FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD LONG-TERM . IT'S GOOD IN THE SHORT TERM BUT WHEN YOU WALK YOUR DOG AT 7:00 IN THE MORNING AND THERE IS STILL A PARTY GOING ON AND PEOPLE ARE STILL DRUNK AND HIGH, IT'S NOT SO GREAT, THAT'S ALL.
>> THANK YOU. >> PETITIONER, YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO RESPOND FOR FIVE MINUTES, IF YOU WOULD LIKE.
>> YES, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO SHOW SOMETHING ON THE SCREEN.
JUST PUT IT ON THE TABLE IN THIS LITTLE SPACE HERE .
>> YES . >> IN THE RED LINES .
>> YOU CAN LOOK UP HERE TOO TO SEE IF IT IS FRAMED IN THERE.
>> SO, WHEN THEY MENTIONED ABOUT PARTYGOERS , I HAVE RING AND I'M ABLE TO MONITOR THE PROPERTY AND I TAKE SNAPSHOTS OF WHAT'S GOING ON. HOW DOES IT LOOK ON THE OUTSIDE AND HOW DOES IT LOOK ON THE INSIDE? I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE THAT OR NOT . THAT IS THE FRONT LAWN AT 9:00 OR 10:00 IN THE MORNING. IT IS PEACEFUL AND QUIET AND THERE'S NO ONE PARKING IN THE STREET.
THEY CAN ALL PARK IN THE DRIVEWAY AND THERE IS NO
LOITERING AS THEY CLAIM TO BE. >> I TAKE PICTURES QUITE A BIT.
EVEN TO THE POINT WHERE I TAKE PICTURES AT NIGHT TO SEE WHAT
THE CLIENTS ARE DOING. >> PICTURES DURING THE DAYTIME AND IN THE AFTERNOON. I AM CONSTANTLY MONITORING . THERE IS NOISE MONITORING AS WELL. SOME OF THE TIMS THEY SAY THEY CALLED AT 11:00 AT NIGHT , I WAS THERE AND THAT WAS A FALSE REPORT . THERE HAS BEEN FALSE REPORTING ON MY BEHALF AND THINGS EXAGGERATED. I HAVE DOCUMENTATION ABOUT MY DOG. I WAS HOME AND WORKING FROM HOME BECAUSE I DON'T GO TO THE OFFICE AS MUCH ANYMORE . I HAD TO LEAVE MY MEETING WITH A FALSE REPORT WITH THE POLICE SHOWING UP THE AND MY DOG HAD NOT BEEN OUTSIDE THAT WHOLE DAY , I HAD BEEN WORKING. I HAVE A LETTER
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HERE THAT STATE -- I'M SORRY, I HAD TO LEAVE FOR AN EMERGENCY BUT NOT TELLING MY PEOPLE WHAT I HAD TO DO. I HAD TO MISS A MEETING ON ZOOM BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE MAKING FALSE REPORTS AND I HAD TO TALK TO THE AUTHORITIES ABOUT THE INCIDENT . SO THE FRIVOLOUS AND METICULOUS EXAGGERATION AND FALSIFYING DOCUMENTS, THAT HAS BEEN A REGULAR PART OF MY LIFE. THE PARTYGOERS, IT IS A POOL . THE POOL BRINGS FUN . THE POOL BRINGS MUSIC , BUT YOU CAN ALSO HAVE MONITORING DEVICES THAT YOU CAN LET YOUR TEAM KNOW TO EXPECT A PHONE CALL BUT I DO HAVE A PROPERTY MANAGER THAT WILL SHOW UP. I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO VAPING OR SMOKING IN MY HOME AND THE PROPERTY IS SMOKE-FREE . I FEEL SOME OF THESE THINGS HAVE BEEN FABRICATED, AND EXAGGERATED IN CAHOOTS SO I DO NOT GET THE SUPPORT. BUT, I HONESTLY FEEL I AM RESPONSIBLE FOR WHO COMES INTO MY HOME . HOW I SCREEN. I HAVE CONTRACTS AND PRESCREENING, MY PROPERTY MANAGER DOES THAT FOR ME. IF THERE IS ANY ISSUES, LIKE I SAID, THEY VIDEOTAPE ME WITH A CONTRACTOR SOLVING A PROBLEM WITH THE PLUMBING ISSUE AND USING THAT TO SAY, WHAT WAS I DOING? WHY ARE YOU SPYING ON ME WITH A CONTRACTOR? THAT'S AN INVASION OF MY PRIVACY AND THEN YOU MAKE IT PUBLIC. THAT'S AN INVASION OF PRIVACY. THE ONLY WAY FOR PIECES TO COME TO SOME TYPE OF AN AGREEMENT IN ALL HONESTY AND SINCERITY. THANK YOU.>> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU . >> WE WILL GO TO THE DEPARTMENT
REPORT. >> THANK YOU . BEFORE YOU HAVE -- YOU HAVE THE REPORT . THE SHORT-TERM RESIDENTIAL RENTAL ORDINANCE WAS CREATED TO BENEFIT THE GENERAL PUBLIC BY MINIMIZING ADVERSE IMPACTS ON ESTABLISHED RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE OWNERS AND RESIDENTS OF PROPERTIES IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS . IT ALSO, IN THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE STATES THAT A SPECIAL EXCEPTION , THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION FOR ONE SHALL NOT BE GENERALLY ENTITLED TO FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION. ALSO IN THAT ORDINANCE, THERE ARE CRITERIA FOR THE BASIS OF REVIEW. THINGS LIKE THE PARKING , ACCESS TO THE STREET, PROTECTIVE RESTRICTIONS, AND COVENANTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT . ALSO THERE ARE CRITERIA FOR THE BASIS OF APPROVAL OR REJECTION THAT YOU, AS A BOARD, WOULD REFER TO . AS FAR AS FINAL COMMENTS GO, THE CODE ENFORCEMENT DEPARTMENT IS AWARE OF THE HOME BEING RENTED OUT FOR SHORT-TERM RENTALS ON THE NON-FREEBIE DATES IN THE VIOLATION LETTER HAS BEEN SENT .
ALSO THE CARMEL POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS DOCUMENTED SIX INCIDENTS OR COMPLAINTS REPORTED JUST THIS YEAR. THERE ARE CONCERNS BY EVERYONE, MOSTLY ABOUT THE NOISE AND TRAFFIC. AND , IF THIS IS ANY INDICATION OF HOW THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL WILL BE RUN, THERE IS A VALID CONCERN . WITH THAT BEING SAID, DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY SERVICES RECOMMENDS NEGATIVE CONSIDERATION OF THIS AS WELL AS NEGATIVE CONSIDERATION OF FACTS TO BE WRITTEN UP BY THE BZA ATTORNEY .
>> BOARD, COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS. MR. RIDER?
>> ANY TIME , I'M GOING TO START THIS WITH GRACE. I'M SORRY ABOUT PAST ISSUES AND HEALTH ISSUES AND DIFFICULTIES IN YOUR LIFE , BUT THOSE HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS PETITION. WE DON'T CONSIDER THAT IN THIS SITUATION . WE ALSO HAVE PEOPLE SITTING OVER HERE WHO HAVE INVESTED THEIR LIFE SAVINGS INTO VERY NICE HOMES. THE LARGEST INVESTMENT IN MOST PEOPLE'S LIVES IS THEIR HOME. AND, OUR JOB IS TO PROTECT THE INTEGRITY OF NEIGHBORHOODS AND THEIR HOMES . WE DON'T ENFORCE COVENANTS, BUT WE DO PROTECT -- IF I WAS LOOKING FOR A PERFECT
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EXAMPLE OF A SHORT-TERM RENTAL NOT TO APPROVE, THIS WOULD BE IT. YOU KNOW YOU ARE BREAKING THE RULES BUT YOU ARE STILL RENTING, YOU RENTED LAST WEEK. YOU SHOULD HAVE STOPPED. I MEAN , ONCE YOU KNOW YOU ARE BREAKING THE RULES AND TRYING TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT , AT THAT POINT IN TIME, YOU STOP UNTIL SUCH TIME AS YOU GET PERMISSION OR NOT. YOU KNOW, TO -- AND , TO MAKE IT -- IT'S NOT ABOUT EMOTIONS . IT'S NOT ABOUT WHETHER YOU AGREE WITH WHAT THEY ARE DOING, THEY ARE PROTECTING THEIR HOME, THE SAME AS YOU WOULD, THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE. YOU ARE NOT BEEN ATTACKED AND THIS IS NOT A RACIAL ISSUE. THIS IS NOT ANYBODY GOING AFTER YOU, PERSONALLY , THEY ARE PROTECTING THEIR HOME AND THEIR INVESTMENT AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND , WE TECHNICALLY -- YOU REFERRED TO IT AS A BUSINESS BUT WE DON'T RUN BUSINESSES AND NEIGHBORHOODS, IT IS AGAINST OUR CODE IN CARMEL. WE DON'T RUN BUSINESSES AND NEIGHBORHOODS.IT'S -- I AM IFFY ON SHORT-TERM RENTALS SINCE I STARTED, BUT THERE ARE PLACES IT CAN HAPPEN. IN THE MIDDLE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD IS NOT ONE OF THEM. MY NEIGHBORHOOD IS A PLACE IT STARTED AND I LIVE ON COAL CREEK NEIGHBORHOOD ON THE EAST SIDE.
WE HAD A VERY DIFFICULT SITUATION AND WE WENT TO ALL THE NEIGHBORS BECAUSE YOU NEED TO GET ABOVE 80% OR WHATEVER. WE CHANGED OUR COVENANTS AND YOU HAVE TO OWN YOUR HOME THREE YEARS BEFORE YOU CAN RENT IT AND INVESTORS DON'T WANT TO OWN HOME THREE YEARS BEFORE THEY CAN RENTED AND IT STOPPED
INSTITUTIONAL INVESTORS. >> I AM DISAPPOINTED YOU WERE TRYING TO USE -- TO FIND EXCUSES FOR BREAKING THE RULES AND THERE AREN'T ANY EXCUSES FOR BREAKING THE RULES. YOU ARE ASKING FORGIVENESS INSTEAD OF PERMISSION AND IT IS TOO LATE FOR MY VOTE. IF YOU HAD STOP WHEN YOU KNEW YOU WERE BREAKING THE RULES AND YOU WERE COMING IN TO GET A PERMIT, I WOULD CONSIDER IT . BUT, IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, A SHORT-TERM RENTAL DOESN'T WORK . A SHORT-TERM RENTAL WORKS IF YOU ARE ON A MAIN ROAD AND BY YOURSELF AND NOT PART OF A NEIGHBORHOOD. WITH NEIGHBORS ALL AROUND YOU , ESPECIALLY IF IT'S A PARTY HOUSE . IT'S NOT A PLACE TO COME AND VISIT FAMILY FOR A FAMILY REUNION. YOU ARE SELLING IT AS A PARTY HOUSE. I AM NOT ASKING FOR COMMENTS , THIS IS NOT A COMMENTS SECTION .
THAT'S MY OPINION AND YOU CAN'T CHANGE THAT. SO, THERE IS NO WAY THAT THIS SHOULD BE ALLOWED IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD . I AM SORRY IT HAS HAPPENED TO YOU AND I HOPE THINGS WORK OUT FOR YOU , BUT I AM VOTING AGAINST THIS TONIGHT.
>> WELL, I AM GOING TO ECHO MUCH OF WHAT RIDER HAS SAID . FOR ME, THE COMPLETE DISREGARD OF THE RULES IS VERY TELLING WHEN THERE HAVE BEEN SO MANY COMPLAINTS FROM SO MANY DIFFERENT PEOPLE AND ARE CARMEL POLICE HAVE HAD TO RESPOND . THERE IS BEEN REALLY NO RESPONSE TO THE COMPLAINTS AND JUST RENTING IT OUT WHEN YOU KNOW YOU ARE GOING TO BE HERE TO HAVE A HEARING THAT WAS SET. THAT IS REALLY TELLING TO ME AS TO HOW THIS WOULD BE RUN. I AGREE THIS IS IN A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WOULD NECESSARILY FIT IN BUT WITH EVERYTHING THAT HAS HAPPENED TO DATE , IT BRINGS UP SO MANY SAFETY CONCERNS. CONCERNS ABOUT THE NOISE AND CONCERNS ABOUT WHO IS RENTING, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT IS CLOSE TO WHERE CHILDREN ARE PLAYING. I WILL ALSO BE VOTING
AGAINST THIS. >> I'M NOT SURE I CAN ADD MUCH MORE THAN WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN SAID. BASICALLY -- I AM OF THE OPINION OF WHAT HAS BEEN EXPRESSED. THE THING THAT BOTHERS ME IS THE FACT THAT THERE WAS ONGOING RENTAL OF THE PROPERTY WHEN BASICALLY YOU WERE TOLD TO STOP. THAT HAS BEEN KIND OF BOTHERING ME SINCE I'VE BEEN READING THROUGH ALL OF THIS INFORMATION. SO, I CANNOT IN GOOD CONSCIOUS VOTE IN FAVOR OF
THIS EITHER. >> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU EVERYONE . I AGREE WITH THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE BY MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS. ALSO, THE ORIGINAL APPLICATIONS ARE NOT CONSIDERED GENERALLY FOR APPROVAL . ON TOP OF THAT , THE
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REASONS FOR APPROVAL OR REJECTION OR FOR COST/BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY AND THE ANTICIPATED EFFECT ON SURROUNDING PROPERTIES . THE COMPATIBILITY WITH EXISTING USES AND HOW IT WILL IMPACT NEIGHBORHOOD INTEGRITY. BASED ON ALL OF THAT, I WILL BE VOTING TO DENY THIS PETITION AS WELL.>> I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, YOU KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT THE MOTION PROCESS. IN MY 17 YEARS , WE MAKE MOTIONS IN THE POSITIVE AND THEN WE VOTE FOR OR AGAINST, IS THAT WHERE
YOU ARE GOING ? >> YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION IN THE NEGATIVE BECAUSE WE ARE DEALING WITH NEGATIVE CONSEQUENCES OF A
PARTICULAR PETITION . >> IF I CAN DO NEGATIVE, I WILL BUT I WILL SAY IT IN THE POSITIVE AND THEN VOTE AGAINST
IT. >> FOR WHEN WE DID THAT , THEY
MADE US DO IT NEGATIVE AND I. >> I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR TO THE BOARD I AM MAKING A MOTION THAT IS POSITIVE SO KNOW WHEN YOU VOTE . I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE PETITION.
>> SECOND. >> THANK YOU. THE MOTION HAS BEEN MADE AND SECONDED. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT ? OKAY . ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE .
>> ALL RIGHT, THAT IS DENIED. >> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU . THIS MEETING IS ADJ
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