Aug 16, 2022 Carmel Plan Commission

[A. Call Meeting to Order]

[B. Pledge of Allegiance]

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ORDER THE AUGUST 16, 2022 MEETING OF THE CARMEL PLANNING COMMISSION AND I ASKED THAT WE ALL RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

[C. Roll Call]

THANK YOU. MR. SECRETARY WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLE-PROLL, PLEASE >>.

[D. Declaration of Quorum]

[E. Approval of Minutes]

>> WE HAVE A FORM. APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM OUR JULY MEETING?

>> SECOND. >> THIRD. >> THANK YOU MR. KIRSCH AND MRS. A COLA. ALL THOSE APPROVING OF CIRCULATING THE MINUTES SAY AYE. THE MINUTES APPROVED. EXPENDITURES OF LEGAL COUNSEL. FROM THE DEPARTMENT?

[G. Reports, Announcements & Department Concerns]

>> THANK YOU. WE JUST WANT TO GO OVER THE OUTCOME OF THE PROJECTS AT COMMITTEE. THE COMMITTEE WAS CANCELED LAST MONTH DUE TO NO ITEMS TO REVIEW AND THE RESIDENTIAL COMMITTEE JACKSON'S GRANT VILLAGE SECTION NUMBER 2 HAD A 4-TO ZERO FAVORABLE. WE WILL HEAR THAT TONIGHT AS OLD AS THIS. AND THEN UNDER PUBLIC HEARINGS, TWO OF THE FOUR ITEMS ARE TABLED TO OUR NEXT MEETING WHICH IS SEPTEMBER 20. THE FIRST ONE THAT IS TABLED WHICH WAS A RELATIVELY RECENT TABLING IS DOCKET NUMBER BZ ? 2022 ? 00119. DP/ADL S: FLORIDA ON SPRING MILL. THAT IS TABLED IF YOU ARE HERE FOR THAT TONIGHT IT WILL NOT BE HEARD TONIGHT WILL BE HEARD ON SEPTEMBER 20 AND THEN THE SECOND ITEM THAT WAS TABLED IS ITEM NUMBER FOUR, DOCKET NUMBER BZ- 2022- 00121 PPA: JOHNSON ADDITION, RE-PLAT LOTS 29 AND 30. JOHNSON REPLIES 29 AND 30 IS ALSO TABLED UNTIL SEPTEMBER 20. AND, THAT IS ALL THE UPDATES WE

[H. Public Hearings]

HAVE. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. THAT TAKES US TO THE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT ARE ON OUR AGENDA FOR THIS EVENING. THE COMMISSION'S ROLE FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS PROVIDE FOR UP TO 15 MINUTES FOR EACH PETITIONER TO MAKE THEIR PRESENTATION FOLLOWING THAT PRESENTATION THERE IS A BLOCK OF 20 MINUTES OF TIME ALLOCATED FOR REMONSTRANCE FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC IN FAVOR OF OR OPPOSITION TO THE PETITION FOLLOWING PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD THE PETITIONER WILL HAVE A 5 MINUTES TO RESPOND TO ANY OF THOSE COMMENTS SHOULD THE COMMISSIONER APPROVE AND THEN UPON THE CONCLUSIONOF THE DEPARTMENT REPORT THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE CLOSED. PUBLIC HEARINGS EXIST IN TONIGHT'S FORUM IN PERSON BUT PUBLIC INPUT COMES FROM A VARIETY OF SOURCES INCLUDING EMAIL, PERSONAL VISITS TO THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY SERVICES AND OTHER PLANS TO THE COMMISSION OR DEPARTMENT SO WE ASK TONIGHT THAT ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THE TWO PUBLIC HEARING SUBJECTS NOT REPEAT ANY INPUT THAT HAS BEEN PROVIDED PREVIOUSLY SO WE CAN PROVIDE MORE TIME FOR A VARIETY OF OPINIONS AND MORE REMONSTRATE HER'S TO BE HEARD. WE ALSO ASK FROM A DECORUM STANDPOINT NO OUTBURST OF APPLAUSE, CHEERING, JEERING OR OTHERWISE INTERRUPTING EACH OF OUR SPEAKERS AND THEY HAVE THE MICROPHONE. WITH THAT, OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING IS DOCKET PC-2022-00117 PUD: 96 AND HAVE HER STICK PUD REZONE. THE CURRENT ZONING IS S-2 RESIDENCE. THIS HAS BEEN FILED BY JIM SHINAVER AND JON DOBOSIEWICZ OF NELSON AND FRANKENBERGER ON BEHALF OF ESTRIDGE DEVELOPMENT MANAGEMENT LLC. CLINT ARE YOU GOING TO SPEAK FIRST? THE MICROPHONE IS YOURS AND YOUR TEAMS FOR UP TO THE NEXT 15 MINUTES AND EACH OF THE MEMBERS OF YOUR TEAM IF YOU APPROACH THE MICROPHONE IF YOU WOULD TRADUCE YOURSELF BY NAME BY THE RECORDING THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL, TOO.

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>> THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS CLINT MITCHELL MITCHELL I AM A RESIDENT OF CARMEL. WITH ME TONIGHT ARE ROGER FOSTER THE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT AND GINJIM SHIN NUMBER FROM NELSON FRANK AND BERGER. THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO OUR PLANS. WE ARE EXCITED TO BUILD ANOTHER FANTASTIC NEIGHBORHOOD IN CARMEL FROM ESTRICH. WE'VE BEEN BUILDING THE FINEST NEIGHBORHOOD SINCE 1967 55 YEARS THAT ESTRICH HAS MADE CARMEL HOME. WE BUILT OVER 8000 HOMES IN THAT TIME, IF THE NEIGHBORHOODS MANY OF THEM LIVE IN CARMEL AND SOME OF OUR EARLIEST NEIGHBORHOODS JUST MILES FROM THE SUBJECT SITE TONIGHT. I AM ALSO HAVE THE TWO ANNOUNCE TONIGHT THAT WE ARE BUILDING A NEW CORPORATE HEADQUARTER AND DESIGN STUDIO IN CARMEL WILL BE MOVING IN NEXT YEAR SO WE MADE CARMEL OUR HOME ALL THOSE YEARS AND WE ARE SET UP FOR MANY YEARS TO COME. I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU THE PROPOSED SITE. IT IT CAN BE FOUND ON TAB TO YOUR BROCHURE. THE SITE SITS ON 2.67 ACRES TO THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF 96TH ST. AND HAVE HER STICK ROAD. IT IS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF 96 STREET AND BETWEEN KEYSTONE PARKWAY AND WESTFIELD BOULEVARD. AS YOU APPROACH THE SITE FROM KEYSTONE YOU WILL NOTICE IT BEING MOSTLY COMMERCIAL AND AS YOU GO FURTHER WEST OLDER RESIDENTIAL AND NOW COMING MULTI FAMILY. DUE TO ESTROGENS COMMITMENT TO QUALITY, ATTENTION TO DETAIL AND REALLY THE OVERALL LOOK OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS WE OFTEN GET CALLED BY LANDOWNERS THAT WOULD LIKE US TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY. THE LAST 6 TO 9 MONTHS WE HAVE BEEN CALLED BY SEVERAL LANDOWNERS ON 96 STREET TO LOOK AT POTENTIALLY BUILDING THERE. AS WE LOOKED AT THE MOST MARKETED COMMERCIAL OR HIGH DENSITY MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT WE FOUND THAT THE SITE TONIGHT REALLY STARTED LOOKING AT IT AND IDENTIFIED IT AS APPROPRIATELY AND PROPERLY USED AS MORE MODERATE DENSITY FOR SALE TOWNHOMES. WE THOUGHT THAT SERVED AS REALLY APPROPRIATE TRANSITION FROM THE COMMERCIAL THAT STARTS ON 96TH ST. AND TRANSITIONING ON THE FOR-SALE TOWNHOMES TO BUFFER AND TRANSITION THE SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCES THAT ARE TO THE NORTH AND WEST OF THE SITE. TREE PRESERVATION IS ALSO VERY IMPORTANT. I KNOW A LOT OF US WILL TALK ABOUT THAT TONIGHT AND IT CERTAINLY IS ON THAT SITE. WHEN WE LOOKED AT IT WE FELT THAT A TOWNHOME PRODUCT WAS THE BEST WAY TO PRESERVE TREES ON THE SITE AND WE WILL TALK MORE ABOUT OUR PLANS LATER. CERTAINLY MORE PRESERVATION IS ACHIEVABLE THEN SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE HIGHER DENSITY, MULTIFAMILY OR COMMERCIAL ON-SITE. SHIFTING TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ITSELF THIS COULD BE FOUND IN TAB FOUR OF THE BROCHURE AND THIS IS OUR SITE PLAN. WE ARE PROPOSING 33 TOWNHOMES ON THE SITE AS A STANDARD FOR ANY DEVELOPMENT WE BUILD WITH AUTHENTIC ARCHITECTURE AT THE HIGHEST QUALITY OF MATERIALS FOR CITED ARCHITECTURE AND SIGNIFICANT ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING THAT WE PUT INTO THE PROJECTS. WE ALWAYS PUT A LOT OF THOUGHT INTO THE STREETSCAPES. WE THINK ABOUT VISUAL INTEREST THE DESIGN OF THE HOMES AND HOW THEY LOOK FROM THE STREET. IN THIS CASE WE HAVE STAGGERED THE BUILDINGS ALONG 96TH ST. TO CREATE VARIETY AND A HIGHLY ATTRACTIVE STREETSCAPES AND I WILL SHOW SOME RENDERINGS HERE IN JUST A MOMENT. THIS TOWN WILL CERTAINLY NOT LOOK LIKE COMMERCIAL OR MULTIFAMILY AND IT WON'T LOOK LIKE OTHER TOWNHOMES THAT ARE BUILT IN CARMEL EVEN. THE TOWNHOMES FACE OUTWARD IN ALL DIRECTIONS.

SO THAT THERE ARE NO GARAGE IS FACING THE STREET, FACING ANY NEIGHBORS CARED WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS BECAUSE OF THE FORESIGHTED ARCHITECTURE LIVE AND THE THREE SIDES THAT WOULD BE OUTWARD FACING. WE HAVE FRONTS OF ALL THE TOWNHOMES, THIS IS A VERY ATTRACTIVE SITE HERE. EVERYTHING ALONG 96TH ST. IS THE FRONT OF THE HOME DID THE SAME WITH WILD CHERRY LANE AND EVEN THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY HAS FRONTS OF HOMES WITH ALL OF THE GARAGES

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WE ARE ALSO PRESERVING OTHER LARGE AREAS ALONG HAVE HER STICK ROAD AND 96. I WILL POINT OUT A COUPLE OF AREAS AND CONTINUE WORKING WITH STAFF TO IDENTIFY ADDITIONAL AREAS OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR FURTHER TREE PRESERVATION. SOME OF IT IS NOT EXACTLY SHOWN HERE BUT I WILL WAIT IT OUT. THE DARK GREEN AREAS ARE WHERE WE HAVE IDENTIFIED KEY LEASES TO SAVE SOME OF THE LARGEST TREES AND HAVE THIS EFFECT PRESERVATION AS WELL AS THE NORTH PROPERTY BORDER. WHAT I MENTIONED IS ADDITIONAL THAT'S NOT SHOWING UP YET IS TO PRESERVE ALL ALONG ROUTES CHERRY LANE THE TREES THAT ARE THERE AND WE ARE SHOWING AT 25 OFF OF WILD CHERRIES. IT'S SIGNIFICANT. THERE ARE A LOT OF TREES THAT WE COULD SAVE INCLUDING THE CANOPY THAT GOES OVER WILD CHERRY AS WELL AS THE CANOPY ON HAVERSTICK ROAD. I WILL GO BRIEFLY TO THE RENDERING OF THE ARCHITECTURE. WE CALL THIS OUR BROWNSTONE ARCHITECTURE WHICH HAS BEEN EXTREMELY POPULAR. WE HAVE FURTHER DETAIL THAT WE HAVE PROVIDED IN THE BROCHURE IF YOU LOOK AT TAB SIX. I WASN'T INTENDING TO GO INTO THAT TONIGHT BUT WE WILL GET INTO IT IN MORE DETAIL AT THE COMMITTEE LEVEL. CERTAINLY FORESIGHTED ARCHITECTURE HIGH-QUALITY CEREALS AND AN EXCELLENT LOOK FROM ALL SIDES. THE TOWNHOMES HERE ARE THREE STORIES. THEY ARE, THE FIRST FLOOR IS SLIGHTLY SUNKEN INTO THE GROUND AND IT APPEARS MORE THAN A 2 AND A HALF STORY BUT IT HAS THREE STORIES OF LIVING WITH THE LOWEST LEVEL BEING GARAGE AND SOME LIVING. AS FAR AS THE PROCESS WE HAVE TAKEN TO THIS POINT, WE HAVE BEEN TALKING WITH NEIGHBORS FOR ABOUT THREE MONTHS NOW. WE HAVE HELD TO NEIGHBOR MEETINGS THE LATEST OF THOSE WAS AUGUST 4. RECENT NOTIFICATIONS TO EVERYONE WHO WOULD HAVE RECEIVED NOTIFICATION TONIGHT'S MEETING. WE HAD OUR CHAT REVIEW DISCUSSED TRAFFIC DRAINAGE AND TONIGHT WE LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING EVERYONE'S COMMENTS AND HAVING SOME BIG DISCUSSION AND REALLY BEING ABLE TO GET ALL STAKEHOLDERS AND PUT BEFORE WE MAKE ANY MODIFICATIONS TO OUR PLAN. THANK YOU FOR LETTING US PRESENT. WE ARE CERTAINLY

AVAILABLE LATER FOR QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU. PUBLIC HEARING CONTINUES. CAN I SEE A SHOW OF HANDS OF THOSE OF YOU WHO WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS PETITION THIS EVENING? I AM SEEING - 11 HANDS SO WE HAVE 20 MINUTES TO DIVIDE AMONG 11 HANDS AND I'LL MAKE THE MATH EASY. WE WILL DO 2 MINUTES PER SPEAKER. JOE WILL DO 22 MINUTE AND YOUR TIME WILL START IMMEDIATELY AFTER YOU HAVE FINISHED INTRODUCING YOURSELF AND WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ONE SPEAKER AT THE MICROPHONE AND WHILE THAT PERSON IS SPEAKING THE NEXT PERSON IN LINE BEHIND THEM TO TAKE UP A POSITION BEHIND THEM. SO WE HAVE MINIMAL DOWNTIME BETWEEN SPEAKERS. WHO WOULD LIKE TO BE FIRST AND SECOND? AS EACH OF YOU SPEAKS IF YOU WOULD INTRODUCE YOURSELF BY NAME AND THE AREA OF CARMEL

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>> GOOD EVENING. >> TURN ON THE MIC. >> YOU CAN KEEP IT ON.

>> I DID NOT REALIZE IT WAS AN ELMO! [LAUGHTER] SORRY, I AM OLD AND I'M NOT GOOD WITH ELECTRONIC STUFF THANK YOU. MY NAME IS MICHELLE SPURR AND I LIVE ON HAVERSTICK ROAD AND IM REMONSTRATED AGAINST THE PROPOSED PROJECT. WE REQUEST YOU REJECT TO REZONE TO S-2 THE REASON WHY IS IT IS TOO DENSE IT PROMOTES DEFORESTATION AND IT IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AS YOU MAY HAVE NOTICED THIS PARTICULAR AREA OF LAND IS TOTALLY WOODED. SO, IN TERMS OF THEM DOING THE PROJECT, IT WILL REQUIRE BASICALLY REMOVING ALMOST ALL OF THE TREES. WE DISCUSSED A 15 FOOT BUFFER ON THE NORTH SIDE AND THAT IS E AND THAT IS A UTILITY EASEMENT AND FOR THE TREES THAT ARE E THERE THE 15 FEET WILL NOT BE ENOUGH. IN THE PAST HOUR NEIGHBORHOOD HAS WORKED WITH DEVELOPERS AND WE ARE NOT ANTI- ARE NOT ANTI- DEVELOPMENT FOR THE PROPERTY. IN THE 90S WE WORKED WITH ESTRICH ON THE BOOK SPRINTVENT PROJECT AND WE WERE ABLE TO WITH THE ESTRICH INSTEAD OF HAVING THE DENSE SMALL HOUSES THEY INITIALLY WANTED TO PUT ON THE PROPERTY WE WERE ABLE TO HAVE A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT HOUSES. THEY WERE SMALLER THEY HAD A BIGGER LOT LINE AS WELL IS IN THE ORCHARD WHERE WE WERE BIGGER HOUSES WITH LARGER LOTS. WE ARE NOT ANTI-WORKING WITH SOMEONE LIKE ESTRICH. IN ADDITION SEVERAL OF US WITH THE EARLY 90S AND EARLY 2000'S WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WHICH I BELIEVE WAS PASSED IN 2009 THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS WILLING THEY WERE ABLE TO GIVE IN ON THE RANGE LINE TO CHANGE THE ZONING SO THAT THE PITTMAN PROJECT COULD BE BUILT WHICH WAS CALLED SEASONS. THEY WERE ABLE TO BUILD THREE-STORY APARTMENTS IN EXCHANGE FOR THAT WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION WE AGREED WE WOULD NOT REMONSTRATED AGAINST THAT IF THEY AGREE TO USE 96 STREET S-2. MY TIME IS UP. I REQUEST THAT YOU DO NOT USE S-2 WHICH WOULD KEEP IT

CONSISTENT WITH THE REST OF THE PROPERTY. >> THANK YOU.

>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: MINES GOING TO BE MUCH SHORTER BECAUSE MICHELLE TOOK MY ISSUES. MY NAME IS JOYCE SULLIVAN AND I AM THE CHESTER FINN NEIGHBORHOOD PRESIDENT AND I BELIEVE ALSO THE BIGGEST CONCERN IS WE WANT TO KEEP IT ZONED S-2 SO IT IT STAYS IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREA I UNDERSTAND THAT A SINGLE HOMEOWNER CAN COME AND BUILD WITHIN 35 WHICH IS THE S-2 ZONING IF THEY'RE GOING TO COME IN AND BUILD THEIR THE NOT GOING TO BUILD PROPERTY LINE TO PROPERTY LINE TO THE GOING TO PUT THE HOUSE IN THE CENTER OF THE LOT LEAVING A WIDE BUFFER FOR THE NEIGHBORS AROUND THEM BEING A BETTER NEIGHBOR. WHAT IS TO STOP THE DEVELOPER FROM RAISING THE ELEVATION OF THE LAND THAT IS ALREADY THERE AND THEN BUILDING AT 32 FEET SO THEY COME IN BUT IN FILTER IT GOES UP 10 FEET AND NOW THEY ARE TOWERING ABOVE OUR HOMES? BASICALLY WE BELIEVE THE NEW COMP PLAN IS INVASIVE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE ARE BEING SQUEEZED BY DEVELOPMENT ON ALL SIDES. WE ASK THAT IT STAYS TAYS ZONED THE CURRENT S-2

RESIDENTIAL. >> THANK YOU. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: MATTHEW PIERCE. I LIVE ABOUT FIVE HOUSES NORTH OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT ALONG ALAN POTAS. I HAVE A COUPLE OF REBUTTAL UTTAL ITEMS THAT WERE ADDRESSED. FOR ONE I THINK THE COMPANY IN TOUTING A 55 YEAR HISTORY THERE WAS ALSO ALSO BANKRUPTCY IN THERE SO FOR ONE I HAVE CONCERNS OF A DEVELOPMENT STARTING AND NOT BEING INITIATIVE. ATIVE. ALSO, THE AREAS THAT WERE MARKED AS TREE PRESERVATION I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY WOULD BE PRESERVED BECAUSE THE BUILDING SEEMS TO GO UP RIGHT AGAINST THOSE AREAS. I THINK THINGS HAVE BEEN MENTIONED LIKE TECH REVIEWS BUT WE HAVE NOT SEEN ANY KIND OF PRODUCTS. WE ASKED FOR TRAFFIC STUDIES BUT WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN A RESULT OF THAT. ALSO IN TERMS OF ITEMS

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ISSUES- >> CHAIR: I NEED TO CUT YOU OFF IN RESPECT OF A TWO MINUTE

LIMIT FOR EVERYONE. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: I HAVE COPIES FOR EVERYONE OF WHAT I

WAS NOT ABLE TO GO OVER. THANK YOU. >> CHAIR: THANK YOU.

>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: MY NAME IS MEGAN OKAY I AM A RESIDENT OF WILD CHERRY LANE. OUR HOME IS LOCATED DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM HER PROPERTY AND THERE IS A PLAN TO BUILD 35 TOWNHOMES. IN REVIEWING THE PROPOSAL WE WERE IMMEDIATELY CONCERNED. TO THE NORTH OF THE PROPERTY THERE BUILDING 15 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. THESE BUILDINGS ARE PLANTED THREE STORIES AND THEIR WINDOWS AND BALCONIES WILL HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO LOOK DIRECTLY INTO OUR PROPERTY AND HOME. ORDINANCE NUMBER 26.04 DISCUSSES THE PERIMETER FOUR YARDS AND THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY WITH MULTIFAMILY HOUSING AGAINST PROPERTY WITH SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSING AND 25 FEET. ESTRICH PROPOSES THAT THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED TO THE WEST AGAINST WILD CHERRY LANE. WE WOULD STRONGLY ARGUE THAT WITH AN ENTRANCE ALONG 96 STREET AND TOWNHOMES FACING 96 STREET THAT THE NORTH STREET OF THE PROPERTY SHOULD BE CONSIDERED THE RACK OF THE PROPERTY BE A 25 FOOT BUFFER BETWEEN THEIR PROPERTY AND THE NEIGHBORS.

THIS WOULD POTENTIALLY PRESERVE MORE OF THE MATURE TREES AND WOULD PROVIDE THE NEIGHBORS WITH MORE PRIVACY AND SECURITY AGAINST A THREE-STORY DEVELOPMENT. MY HUSBAND AND I MOVED TO CARMEL TO HOPE TO START A FAMILY HERE AND WE HOPE THAT THIS WAS A CITY THAT INVESTED IN ITS PEOPLE AND ENVIRONMENT. WE INVESTED A LOT INTO OUR HOME IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS SO YOU CAN UNDERSTAND HOW WE WOULD BE CONCERNED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION. WE FEEL THAT WE SHOULD BE ATTEMPTING TO PRESERVE THE QUALITY AND INTEGRITY OF OUR ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOODS WITH CONCENTRATION ON DEVELOPMENTS THAT WORK WITHIN THE TREE CANOPY RATHER THAN ELIMINATING IT PRETTY MUCH COMPLETELY. THE PROPERTY IS ZONED S2 FOR REASON AND WE FEEL LIKE IT SHOULD

REMAIN AS SUCH. THANK YOU. > THANK YOU! >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: MY NAME IS NANCY TATUM I LIVE IN LEXINGTON FARMS NORTH 105TH ST.. FIRST OF ALL, ESTRICH DOES BUILD BEAUTIFUL HOMES. HOWEVER, I WOULD REQUEST THAT THEY TAKE THESE 33 TOWNHOMES AND MOVE THIS IDEA TO A SITE WHERE YOU WOULD NOT HAVE TO CUT DOWN TREES. THERE ARE PLENTY OF PLACES THAT WOULD BE A BETTER OPTION. I DON'T KNOW IF I SHOULD HAVE TAKEN THE DRAWING LITERALLY BUT I THINK I COUNTED 35 TREES THAT WERE ON THAT DRAWING. IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE AN IDEA THAT YOU'RE GOING TO LEAVE A FEW MORE THAN THAT BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS IT DOES

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PLACE THAT IS MORE MORE OPEN. THANK YOU. >> CHAIR: THANK YOU.

>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: HELLO. MY NAME IS JESSICA IRVINE I LIVE IN WALDEN POND AND THAT'S 99 AND HAVE HER STICK. I AM A LIFELINE CARMEL RESIDENT OF 30 YEARS I ATTENDED ORCHARD PARK ELEMENTARY AND JUNIOR HIGH WHEN IT WAS THE JUNIOR HIGH INSTEAD OF THE MIDDLE SCHOOL. I'M A RECENT GRADUATE WITH MY MASTERS IN PUBLIC AFFAIRS WITH CONCENTRATION ON ENVIRONMENTAL POLICY AND SUSTAINABILITY. I ALSO WORKED FOR THE STATE ENVIRONMENTAL DEPARTMENT AND I UNDERSTAND THE LONG TERM ENVIRONMENTAL AND ECONOMIC CONSEQUENCES OF REMOVING GREEN SPACES ESPECIALLY AGAINST THE COMMITTEE'S WISHES. I AM VOICING MY OPPOSITION OF THE ZONING CHANGE OF 96 AND HAVERSTICK WHICH WOULD ALLOW 35 HOMETOWNS IN A PLACE OF OLD-GROWTH TREES PAID THIS PLAY SERVES AS A CRITICAL HABITAT FOR WILDLIFE AND PLACE FOR RESIDENTS. THIS WOULD TAKE AWAY FROM THE CHARM OF THE AREA BY MAKING IT MORE URBANIZED WITH LESS GREEN SPACE. MOST OF MY TIME LIVING IN CARMEL HAS BEEN IN THE HOMEPLACE AREA OR SOUTH OF 106 FROM WESTFIELD BOULEVARD. DURING MY TIME I WITNESSED SIGNIFICANT DEVELOPMENT OF THE COMMUNITY MUCH OF WHICH I LIKE BUT OVERALL IS A SENTIMENT WITH TOO MUCH DEVELOPMENT. CAN'T WE SAVE SOME GREEN SPACES SOME HABITAT FOR THE READERS? PROTECTION AGAINST A WARMING CLIMATE? RESIDENTS IN MY AREA WERE FORCED TO PARK WHERE THE ORCHARD PARK ELEMENTARY BUILDING IS BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THAT MIGHT PULL THROUGH. WE WANT TO PRESERVE GREEN SPACE IN THE AREA. THE CITY OF CARMEL APPROVED A CLIMATE ACTION PLAN BUT CUTTING DOWN OLD-GROWTH TREES SLAPS THE FACE OF THIS PLAN. I URGE YOU FOR YOUR

CONSIDERATION. >> CHAIR: THANK YOU. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: GOOD EVENING. HONORABLE COMMISSION MEMBERS. LIVE JUST NORTH OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AT 96TH AND HAVERSTICK AND I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK DIRECTLY TO THE ISSUE OF THE GREEN SPACE AS SOME PEOPLE ALREADY HAVE. TO START WITH I TAKE TO HEART COMMISSIONER COUNCILMAN KEVIN ?WOODY? RIDER! THAT THE PROPERTY COULD RIGHT NOW CLEAR-CUT THE PROPERTY. THAT WOULD BE A TRAGEDY I KNOW WELL THAT IT COULD HAVE BEEN LEGALLY. THE COMMISSION ALREADY HAS IN HAND SOME POINT SENT IN AND I WILL PASS OVER THE ISSUE OF THE FACT THAT OVER 2 AND A HALF ACRES OF GREEN SPACE ABSORBS TONS OF POLLUTION EVERY YEAR AND NEVER MIND THAT THE GREEN SPACE ABATES OVERWHELMING NOISE NOT UNLIKE THE BUSINESSES NEARBY BUT I 65 WHICH IS 1/4 OF A MILE SOUTH OF 96 STREET. ALSO, AS MY PET ASSESSOR POINTED OUT, THE AREA STANDS AS HABITAT FOR BIRDS THE PILOTED WOODPECKER WHICH IS PROTECTED AND THE INDIANA BROWN BAT WHICH IS NOT ONLY PROTECTED BUT ENDANGERED GOOD LET ME ADD A NEW POINT. CONSIDER THIS.

THIS IS THE ISSUE OF THE COOLING PROVIDED BY MATURE TREES. LAST MONTH IN JULY SET A NEW RECORD IN THE CONTIGUOUS UNITED STATES FOR OVERNIGHT WARMTH. NIGHTS HAVE WARMED ON AN AVERAGE OF TWO DEGREES FAHRENHEIT OVER THE LAST 30 YEARS. WE DON'T JUST COOL OFF AT NIGHT ANYMORE LIKE WE USE TO. A BIG PART OF THE PROBLEM IS THE LOSS OF COOLING GREEN SPACE. BY THE WAY I LOVE THE WORK THAT OUR URBAN FOREST OR MR. MENON DOES. HE PLANTS A LOT OF TREES BUT THE SMALL REES AS SUGGESTED EARLI THEY TAKE YEARS AND YEARS TO GROW AND IT WILL BE A LONG TIME BEFORE THEY CAN PROVIDE THE BENEFITS OF THE MATURE CANOPY.

LET ME ALSO POINT OUT IN CONNECTION WITH THE CARMEL GREEN INITIATIVE THIS INITIATIVE IS PART OF WHAT MAKES CARMEL A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE AND WITHDRAW PEOPLE TO THE CITY AND THAT'S WHY I WOULD ASK YOU TO NOT RESIDE OVER THE BROAD VERBALIZATION OF CARMEL

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SIGNIFICANT WRITTEN STUFF IN CONNECTION WITH THIS. I ASK YOU TO THINK HARD ABOUT THIS BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF STRESS, ANXIETY, DEPRESSION AND CONNECTION WITH THE FACT THAT

WE ARE LOSING GREEN SPACE. YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU.

>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: I APOLOGIZE IF THIS IS DISJOINTED I WROTE THIS WITH 3 MINUTES IN MIND.

MY NAME IS JULIAN AND I AM A RESIDENT OF PLEASANTLY WEST THIS FIRST STREET NORTH OF 96TH ST. ON HAVERSTICK. AS A CHILD I PLAYED HIDE AND GO SEEK AND VARIOUS OTHER GAMES WITH MY FRIENDS IN THE EXACT PATCH OF WOODS THAT WE ARE ALL HERE TO DISCUSS. I EXPLORED, IMAGINED AND TRAINED IN THOSE WOODS THINGS THAT KIDS SHOULD BE ENCOURAGED AND ABLE TO DO ESPECIALLY IN A WORLD OF EVER INCREASING SCREEN TIME WHICH WE SEEM TO BE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT DOING VERY LITTLE TO ACTUALLY CHANGE. I'VE LIVED IN MY HOUSE FOR 20 YEARS NOW AND IN A SHORT TIME I WILL COMPLETE THE PURCHASE OF THAT HOUSE FOR MY MOTHER I CAN RAISE MY FAMILY AND IT JUST AS I WAS. WAS. WE DO NOT HAVE MUCH GREEN SPACE LEFT LET ALONEE WITH ACTUAL TREE COVER AND BIODIVERSITY. I WATCH THE TREE FIELD AND GIANT OAK TREE ON 96TH AND 99TH ST.

HE STRIPPED AWAY TO MAKE SPACE OF WHAT IS NOW THE SEASONS OF CARMEL APARTMENT COMPLEX. I WATCHED FOR STREET GET TAKEN OUT TO BUILD MAPLE DRIVE AND THE HOUSES THAT SIT THERE NOW WITH BARELY ANY YARD NOR GRASS TO SPEAK OF GIVING WAY TO HOUSING THAT MIGHT AS WELL RESEMBLE A SPRUCED UP IN MODERN WHO BUILT WITH CHARACTERS APOLOGIES FOR ANYONE WHO LIVES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE IT WILL GET UGLY AT ALL Í THERE IS LEFT TO RELY ON MARKETING THAT THEY LOOK LIKE THE NEIGHBORHOOD FROM THE HORRIFIC FILM OF DOCTOR SEUSS'S CAT IN THE HAT.

I WATCH CITY HISTORICADESTROY HISTORIC GRAIN SILO WHICH WAS PART OF OUR GROWTH OF THE CITY WHEN WE WERE KNOWN AS THE TOWN OF BETHLEHEM LONG BEFORE ANY OF US WERE AROUND TO BUILD THE OFFICE BUILDING I LIVE FROM IN MIDTOWN. IF THIS CONTINUES ITS ONLY AMOUNT OF TIME BEFORE THE REMAINING TREES GET TAKEN FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS WE TAKE ONE STEP CLOSER TO BECOMING JUST ANOTHER CONCRETE JUNGLE SUBURB WHILE US ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE CITY AT LEAST BECAUSE AGAIN THERE IS THE CUT. WE WOULD NOT RUFFLE THE FEATHERS OF THOSE LIVING ON THE EAST OR WEST SIDE TO TAKE AWAY THE GREEN SPACE. GOVERNMENT AUTHORITIES DRIVE FROM THE CONSENT OF THE GOVERNED NOT THE WILL OF CORPORATIONS OR I COULD NOT POSSIBLY DISAGREE. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: MY NAME IS COLE ALEXIS. I HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT OF WILD CHERRY LANE FOR 34 YEAS NOW. I AM SPEAKING AGAINST THE DEVELOPMENT. THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE. I HAVE GIVEN YOU SOME WRITTEN FEEDBACK. I'M NOT GOING TO TRY TO TOUCH ON THOSE POINTS. I AM GOING TO USE MY TIME IN ORDER TO HIGHLIGHT A FEW THINGS THAT I HAVE NOT HEARD YET DISCUSSED.

I WOULD LIKE TO RESPOND TO ESTROGENS CLAIMED THAT THEY BEEN WORKING WITH US FOR THREE MONTHS. I DON'T THINK THAT IS THE CASE. I BELIEVE THEY MAY HAVE PLACED A PHONE PHONE CALL OR TWO OR THREE GETTING A HOLD OF IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS IN THE AREA SAYING DETAILS WOULD BE FORTHCOMING. THERE IS NO INFORMATION PROVIDED AT THAT TIME IN ORDER TO ALERT THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IN FACT I AM VERY SURE THAT THE FIRST FACE-TO-FACE MEETING THAT WE HAD WAS APPROXIMATELY FOUR WEEKS AGO. AND WE ASKED AT THAT TIME FOR THEM TO DELAY THEIR PRESENTATION TONIGHT IN ORDER TO GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS AND ORGANIZE. THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE SEEN THE TURNOUT THAT YOU DO WITH LESS THAN FOUR WEEKS OF TIME IN ORDER TO RESPOND I THINK SHOULD BE AN INDICATION THAT THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH OUR COMMUNICATION AT THIS POINT. PAT RICE IS SOMEBODY WHO USED TO SERVE IN YOUR SHOES AND SHE

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>> MR. ALEXIS, I'M SORRY, YOU ARE BEYOND YOUR TIME LIMIT AT THIS POINT.

>> CAN I PROVIDE YOU GUYS A COPY OF THE PLAT? THESE ARE THE FOUR LOTS THAT THEY ARE LOOKING TO DEVELOP. EVERY BODY ELSE IN WILD CHERRY CORNER IS A ONE ACRE LOT. THEY HAVE SOLD MUCH OF THIS OFF TO THE STREET TO PROVIDE FOR A LARGER STREET WHERE THEY HAVE LESS THAN THREE ACRES TO GO. THEY ARE LOOKING TO PUT 33 HOMES ON LESS THAN THREE LOTS JUST LETTING YOU

KNOW WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. THANK YOU. > THANK YOU. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: HELLO MY NAME IS TOBY MILLER I LIVE ON PLEASANT TREE WEST TO THE NORTH I DON'T REMEMBER RECEIVING ANY COMMUNICATION. I ONLY HEARD OF THIS PROPOSED PROJECT BECAUSE OF SOCIAL MEDIA AND FOLKS KNOCKING ON DOORS TALKING ABOUT IT. I AM NOT SPECIFICALLY AGAINST DEVELOPMENT. I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE SMART DEVELOPMENT. ENT. THIS ISN'T FITTING THE DNA OF THE NEIGHBORHOODD. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE RENDERINGS THEY ARE GREAT LOOKING BUILDINGS BUT I DON'T THINK THEY FIT AT ALL IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. THE PUD TALKS ABOUT A MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT OF 35 OR 36 FEET. I WENT INTO THE DRAWINGS AND ELEVATIONS ON THE DOCKET AND SCALING THEM UP TO THE TOP OF THE ROOF IS 44. I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHERE THE 36 FEET IS TO THE EVITE FROM THE SIDEWALK? IS IT THAT IS THE CASE THE BUILDINGS ARE TOO TALL AND I THINK THE BUILDINGS ARE OUT OF CHARACTER. IF THESE WERE TWO-STORY TOWNHOMES THIS WOULD BE AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT CONVERSATION. THE APARTMENT PROJECT THERE ON THE EAST SIDE HAS TWO-STORY TOWNHOMES IN THE BACK AND I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK THAT IS OUT OF CHARACTER FOR BUT THE THREE-STORY TOWNHOMES JUST DON'T FIT. THE INFORMATION ON THE DOCKET ALSO TALKED ABOUT THIS AREA BEING ADJACENT TO LET ME FIND THE WORDING CLOSE PROXIMITY TO INTENSE RETAIL OFFICE AND MULTIFAMILY USES ALONG THE 96 CORRIDOR ON EITHER SIDE OF THE STONE. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING INTENSE ABOUT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD LET ALONE RETAIL.

WERE NOT EVEN CLOSE TO ANYTHING THAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER INTENSE RETAIL FOR THIS TO BE A TRANSITION FROM RETAIL MARTIAL TO A RESIDENTIAL SCALE IT JUST DOES NOT FIT. THE CURRENT SONY HAS A 35 FOOT SET SETBACK AND THE SETBACK IS PROPOSED AS 25 FEET ON ONE SIDE 15 ON ANOTHER AND IT'S NOWHERE CLOSE TO WHAT THE REZONING IS WEIRD IF YOU LIVE WITHIN THE REZONING REQUIREMENTS AND HE SET UP A BEAUTY AND YOU'RE NOT TERRIBLY DIFFERENT I CAN SEE APPROVING IT BUT A RESULT LIKE THIS IS A BIG STEP AND I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED AND I WOULD

MUCH RATHER SIT STAY WITH THE S-2 ZONING. THANK YOU. >> CHAIR: THANK YOU. I COUNTED 11 HANDS EARLIER AN ACCOUNT 10 SPEAKERS THAT WE HAVE HEARD FROM TONIGHT. IS THERE ANYONE

I HAVE MISSED? >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: A AND JOHN MAKELA AND I LIVE ON CRESTVIEW DRIVE. I HAVE THREE KIDS THAT ARE ATTENDING THE MEETING WITH ME TODAY ALL OF THEM HAVE THE SAME OPINION THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THIS AREA ZONED AS S-2. I WANT TO QUICKLY ADDRESS NOT WHAT A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE HAVE BROUGHT UP I WANT TO ADDRESS THE TERMINOLOGY THAT ESTRICH HAS STARTED USING IN THE COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE GROUP SO FAR. YOU HEARD ABOUT EVERYONE TODAY TALK ABOUT OUR HOME, HISTORY AND FAMILY. WHEN ESTRICH COMES IN AND TALKS ABOUT BUFFER HOMES AND TOWNHOME PRODUCTS STARTS TO COME OFF VERY DIFFERENTLY THAN THE WAY ALL OF US FEEL ABOUT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. WE HAVE HEAVY COMMERCIAL AREA BEHIND AND IN

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>> CHAIR: THANK YOU. THAT CONCLUDES THE PUBLIC INPUT SESSION. WITH OUR RULES OF PROCEDURE WE NOW GIVE THE PETITIONER TO 5 MINUTES TO RESPOND TO ANY OF THESE

COMMENTS IF THE PETITIONER SO CHOOSES. >> SPEAKER: GOOD EVENING MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. FOR THE RECORD, WE BROKE UP THE RESPONSIBILITIES AND TOOK NOTE AS THE PUBLIC SPOKE. I KNOW THAT YOU ASKED THE PUBLIC NOT TO REITERATE TOPICS BROUGHT UP IN WRITING SO SOME OF THESE COMMENTS MIGHT OVERLAP TO SOME OF THE THINGS YOU RECEIVED IN WRITING THAT YOU WON'T SEE HER TONIGHT. THAT MIGHT BE THE CASE. TO START OFF WITH, I WOULD ENCOURAGE EVERYONE IF THEY HAVEN'T OBTAINED A COPY OF THE STAFF REPORT. THERE WERE COMMENTS MADE THIS EVENING ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT THE CITY HAS IN PLACE TODAY THERE IS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT THAT IS BEING CONSIDERED FOR THE COUNCIL CURRENTLY. BUT THERE WERE COMMENTS ABOUT WHAT AGREEMENTS WERE MADE YEARS AGO IN THE AREA SHOULD REMAIN RESIDENTIAL AND IN ADDITION TO THE STAFF REPORT THIS IS THE LAND USE MAP FROM THE CURRENT C3 2009 PLAN SO OF SOME OF THIS IS OBSERVATION THAT WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE. THIS IS THE COMPREHENSIVE LANDING FOR THIS PAREA OF THE COMMUNITY THAT IS CURRENTLY A POLICY OF THE CITY OF CARMEL. IT IDENTIFIES THE AREA IN BLUE AS A FUTURE COMMERCIAL. STAFF IDENTIFIED THIS IN THE STAFF REPORT SO IF YOU READ THE STAFF REPORT BEARS MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO REVIEW THE STAFF REPORT AND SEE THAT IT IDENTIFIES PARCELS OFF OF 196 STREET OF BEING PARCELS THAT ARE CONSIDERED FOR FUTRE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. ALONG THE EASTERN PERIMETER IS HOWEVER SICK. THOSE AREAS EAST OF HOWEVER SICK HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED COMMERCIALLY. THERE IS A JEWELRY STORE AND OTHER AUTOMOBILE RELATED USES ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE STREET AS WELL AS COMMERCIAL ON THE SOUTH SIDE. IF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THIS THERE'S APPROXIMATELY 300 UNIT APARTMENT COMPLEX TITLED THE EDGE THAT'S BEING DEVELOPED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF 96 STREET. IF YOU'VE GONE BY THEIR YOU CAN SEE CONCRETE AND STEEL GOING UP FOR THREE AND FOUR STORY BUILDINGS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF ONE HER 45TH ST. PROXIMALLY 300 UNITS WHICH IS TWICE THE DENSITY THAT IS PROPOSED FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT AND INDICATED WITH THE DENSITY IT IS MODERATE TO THE MODERATE DENSITY IS SUPPORTED BY STAFF YOUR PROFESSIONAL PLANNING STAFF IS PREPARED TO REPORT TO YOU.

STAFF LEAVES IT'S AN APPROPRIATE TRANSITION FROM 96 STREET WHICH IS THEIR VIEW NOT MINE AND STAFF REPORT IDENTIFIED THAT IT HAS A COMMERCIAL CHARACTER ALONG SEGMENT OF 96 STREET FROM WESTFIELD BOULEVARD OVER TO KEYSTONE. AGAIN, THAT'S MY OBSERVATION BASED ON WHAT'S IN THE CURRENT THINNING DOCUMENT THAT THE CITY HAS NOT THE EDITORIAL ON WHAT IS PRESENT IN THAT VICINITY TODAY. ESTRICH BELIEVES THIS PROPOSAL OF A MODERN INTENSITY WOULD BE A GOOD TRANSITION ALONG 96 STREET. WORK WITH STAFF. WE HAVE RECEIVED INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC AND I THINK THERE'S COMMENTS ABOUT THE INTERACTION AND WHAT WE HAVE DONE OR WHAT ESTRICH HAS DONE HE REACHED OUT TO PAT RICE INITIALLY AT THE REQUEST OF STAFF BECAUSE PAT HAD PREVIOUSLY BEEN ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND TO CLINT REACHED OUT TO HER AND THEY HAD A MEETING IN THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT OF WILD CHERRY LANE A FEW WEEKS AGO AND IN ADDITION TO THAT HAD A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO AT THE TOWNSHIP FOR THE BUILDING AT COLLEGE AND 106 STREET. WE NOTIFIED EVERYBODY THAT WE SENT NOTICE OUT TO THAT IT IS A TRADITIONAL PROCESS THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS IN PLACE. THIS RADIUS BETWEEN SOCIAL MEDIA AND OTHER AVENUES WE FEEL LIKE THERE IS A GOOD MESSAGE OUT THERE FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE INTERESTED IN THE PRODUCT AND THEY WOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE. JUST A COUPLE OTHER ITEMS WITH REGARDS TO TREE PRESERVATION, STAFF HAS SUGGESTED MODIFICATION TO THE PLAN THAT

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THANK YOU. >> CHAIR: THANK YOU. WE WILL NOW GO TO THE DEPARTMENT

REPORT. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU. FOR THE RECORD ALEXIA LOPEZ WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY SERVICES. I WILL START WITH TALKING ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WHICH IS WHAT WE LOOK TO FIRST WHEN WE ARE REZONING A PROPERTY TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT IS ADOPTED TODAY NOT NECESSARILY THE ONE GOING TO THE PROCESS I THINK THAT ONE DOES REFERENCE THE SUB AREA PLAN. THERE IS A SUB AREA PLAN FOR 96 STREET AND WESTFIELD BOULEVARD THAT WENT THROUGH THE PUBLIC PROCESS IN 2009. IT ALLOWS FOR EMPLOYMENT USES ALONG THIS SECTION 95TH ST. AND CALLS FOR PRESERVATION AND INSTALLATION OF TREE CANOPY.

IT TALKS ABOUT BUFFERING STABLE NEIGHBORHOODS FROM REDEVELOPMENT AND UTILIZING TRADITIONAL LAND USES AND FORMS TO SOFTEN IMPACTS OF POTENTIALLY LARGE-SCALE OFFICE DEVELOPMENT SOUTH OF 96 STREET. THIS IS A LONG-TERM VISION FOR THE AREA NORTH AND WEST OF THE SITE THE COMP PLAN ALSO CALLS FOR EMPLOYMENT USES ALONG 96 STREET ABOUT 2 TO 3 PROPERTIES DEEP EAST OF THE SITE IS EXISTED COMMERCIAL AREA SOUTH OF THE INDIANAPOLIS PLAN OF OFFICE AND COMMERCIAL. WE BELIEVE THAT THEY SUPPORT THE PD REZONE. IF THEIR SENSITIVITY TO ADJACENT AREAS AND APPROPRIATE TRANSMISSIONS WITH REASONABLE TREE PRESERVATION WE BELIEVE TOWNHOMES COULD BE A GOOD FIT FOR THE SITE IF AS IT WOULD KEEP A RESIDENTIAL USE IN THE AREA INSTEAD OF A COMMERCIAL USE OR OFFICE USE AND IT OFFERS A MODERATE DENSITY DEVELOPMENT THAT IS ONLY THREE STORIES. HOWEVER, APPROPRIATE TRANSITIONS AND TREE PRESERVATION WILL BE IMPORTANT TO ENSURE SENSITIVITY TO ADJACENT SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES. NOW GETTING INTO THE PUD AND SITE PLAN. AS IT STATED THE PROPOSED TOWNHOMES ARE LOCATED ALSO TO 96 STREET WHICH WILL ALLOW THE PARKING TO BE BEHIND.

THE UNITS IN EACH BUILDING ARE STAGGERED PROVIDING A NICE VARIATION ALONG THE STREETSCAPE. PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY WILL BE PROVIDED BY ADDING A SIDEWALK ALONG WILD CHERRY LANE AS WELL AS A PATH AROUND HAVERSTICK AND THIS WOULD BE TRANSFERRED TO THEIR PORTION OF THE STREET THEY WOULD NOT EXTEND IT OFF OF THEIR PROPERTY BUT FOR THEIR MISSION THEY WOULD INSTALL THE SIDEWALK AND PATH. THE PUD INCLUDES ARCHITECTURE CHARACTER TO BE TOWNHOMES AND REQUIRES ALL STRUCTURES TO BE DEVELOPED IN SUBSTANTIAL COMPLIANCE WITH THAT IMAGERY SUBJECT TO A DLS APPROVAL. THIS MEANS THAT WHAT WE HAVE SEEN IN THIS BEAUTY IS WHAT WE CAN EXPECT TO BE BUILT AND AGAIN THEY WOULD NEED TO COME BACK WITH A DEVELOPMENT PLAN ADL APPROVAL. FOUNDATION PLANTINGS ENTRIES WILL BE REQUIRED. A 15 FOOT BUFFER YARD AND TREE PRESERVATION AREA IS PROPOSED ALONG THE NORTHERN PERIMETER AND STAFF HAS ASKED FOR THE AMOUNT OF TREE PRESERVATION TO BE INCREASED. IT'S OUR BELIEF THAT IT'S UNREASONABLE TO ASK FOR ALL THE TREES TO BE PRESERVED AS THIS IS A FULLY WOODED SITE WHOEVER IT SEEMS ONLY A SMALL AMOUNT ARE PROPOSED TO BE PRESERVED TODAY. WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE A LARGER WIDER AREA OF TREE PRESERVATION THAT WOULD SAVE MORE TREES AND IMPROVE THE HEALTH OF THE TREES IN THOSE AREAS. WE CONTINUE TO REVIEW THE PUD AND WORK WITH THE PETITIONER ON ALL THE REVIEW COMMENTS AS IT MOVES ON TO THE COMMITTEE. WE DO HAVE MANY

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AND DISCUSSION. THANK YOU. >> CHAIR: THANK YOU. THAT CONCLUDES THE PUBLIC HEARING OF THIS PETITION. WE WILL OPEN IT UP TO QUESTIONS FROM MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. WE ARE

STARTING WITH MR. KEVIN ?WOODY? RIDER. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: HOW ABOUT A COMMENT I'M GOING TO MAKE A QUICK STATEMENT WHEN I SHOW UP PUBLIC MEETINGS AND MANY TIMES START OFF WITH A FEW INVITED ME TO TELL YOU WHAT YOU WANT TO HEAR YOU INVITED THE WRONG PERSON I COMMENTS ON THE TRUTH. AND I SAID CLEARCUTTING IT WAS IN INSUPPORT I'M SAYING IT COULD HAPPEN. IN MY 15 YEARS I HAVE GREAT RESPECT FOR 10 OF THE 11 SPEAKERS THAT GOT UP AND SPOKE PASSIONATELY ABOUT WHAT THEY BELIEVE IN TONIGHT. IN MY 15 YEARS I NEVER HAD ANYBODY GET UP AND CRITICIZE OTHER PEOPLE'S HOMES AND MAKE FUN OF AN ENTIRE STREET. THOSE COMMENTS FELL ON DEAF EARS FROM ONE OF THE 11. I WAS EXTREMELY DISAPPOINTED IN THAT.

>> CHAIR: CHRISTINE? >> COUNCIL MEMBER: I'M GOING TO START WITH THE OBVIOUS WHICH IS THE TREE PRESERVATION. SO, IT LOOKS LIKE THIS IS REALLY A UNIQUE LOT AS FAR AS THE TREES THRIVING THEY ARE MATURE. WE HAVE HAD OTHER LOTS COME THROUGH DEVELOPMENT WHERE PEOPLE HAVE GONE AND CLEAR CUT IT BEFORE AND IN THIS CASE IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'VE BEEN WELL CARE FOR AND THEY ARE THRIVING. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE TREE PRESERVATION IN THE TEXT OF THE PUD. YOU DO A GREAT JOB OF EXPLAINING WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO AS FAR AS TREE PRESERVATION BUT I WANT TO SEE WHERE YOU ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO DO IT, IT'S GOING TO BE IN THERE CLEARLY NEEDS TO BE MORE. WE SEE LANDSCAPING BUT I THINK THAT'S ALL NEW LANDSCAPING. I LIKE TO SEE SOME TREE PRESERVATION ESPECIALLY ON THE NORTH. I KNOW YOU SAID THAT YOU WOULD DO AN EVALUATION BUT EVEN GOING THROUGH WITH AN ARBORIST AND LOOKING AT EACH TREE AND MARKING WHICH ONES CAN BE SAVED AND IT MIGHT REQUIRE A LITTLE BIT OF AN ADJUSTMENT ON YOUR CONCEPT PLAN. I AM HOPING YOU CAN BRING THAT TO RESIDENTIAL COMMITTEE AS WELL AS AN INTERIOR LANDSCAPING PLAN. I COULD NOT REALLY TELL EXACTLY WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED TO BE PLANTED. I KNOW IT'S SHRUBS EVERY 120 FEET AND I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT THAT PLAN LOOKS LIKE.

AS FAR AS TRAFFIC I MEAN EVERYBODY IS RIGHT TRAFFIC ON THE 96 WILL BE TERRIBLE ESPECIALLY AFTER THE APARTMENTS GET BUILT. I NOTICE RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE 10 PARKING SPOT ALONG 96 STREET. IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE IT MIGHT ADD SOME DIFFICULTY TO THE TRAFFIC OR YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE PULLING IN AND PULLING OUT AND DO YOU NEED THOSE 10 SPACES? CAN YOU REMOVE THOSE 10 SPACES? THE FLEXIBILITY TO REMOVE THE PATH COULD MEAN YOU COULD HAVE MORE TREE PRESERVATION ALONG 96 STREET. I GUESS I'M JUST LOOKING FOR MORE TREE PRESERVATION, MORE DETAIL INTO INTERIOR LANDSCAPING AND I WANT TO SEE HOW WE GET THIS CLOSER TO BEING

THE REQUIREMENTS OF S-2. >> SPEAKER: I WILL ADDRESS A COUPLE OF THOSE AND WE CERTAINLY GET A LOT OF THAT IN COMMITTEE AS WELL. I DID PULL THE SITE PLAN BACK UP IF WE CAN SHOW THAT. CERTAINLY, IT HAS BEEN EVERY DISCUSSION WE HAVE HAD WITH NEIGHBORS INDIVIDUALLY THE TWO MEETINGS WE HAVE HAD WITH STAFF THE TREES HAVE BEEN A BIG TOPIC AND WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT WAYS THAT WE CAN PRESERVE MORE THAN IT HAS SHOWN. THE DARK GREEN AREAS ARE WHERE WE CURRENTLY SHOW THE PRESERVATION IN PLACE. THE NORTH BORDER AS WELL. WE INTEND TO PRESERVE THAT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. I AGREE THEY APPEAR AS NEW PLANTINGS.

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>> CHAIR: ON THE NORTH? THAT IS THE TREE PRESERVATION IS IT 15 FEET?

>> SPEAKER: IT IS 15 FEET. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: THAT MIGHT NOT BE ENOUGH ROOM.

>> SPEAKER: I WILL GET BACK TO THE TREE PRESERVATION. INTERIOR PLANTINGS WE ARE SHOWING A LOT OF THE INTERIOR PLANTINGS HERE ALREADY. WE WILL HAVE ADDITIONAL SPECIFIC DRAWINGS FOR THE LANDSCAPING AS WE GO FURTHER THROUGH COMMITTEE AND AS FAR AS PARKING GOES, WE HAVE BEEN ASKED TO PROVIDE ON STREET PARKING AS ADDITIONAL PARKING. THIS IS NOT A FINALIZE DRAWING. WE DO CURRENTLY SHOW MORE PARKING THAN NEEDED SO WE WILL CONTINUE WORKING WITH ENGINEERING AND STAFF ON THE APPROPRIATE LOCATIONS FOR PARKING. WE DO SHOW MORE THAN THE MINIMUM REQUIRED IN THE PUD AND THE SITE PLAN. I WANT TO GET BACK TO THE TREES FOR A SECOND. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE BEEN TALKING WITH THE STAFF AND REALLY TAKING TO HEART THE COMMENTS THAT WE HAVE GOTTEN AND ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WAYS AND OUR PLAN WAS TO CONTINUE WORK ON THE ACTUAL ENGINEERING OF THIS TO PRESENT IT TO COMMITTEE BUT WAYS THAT WE CAN INCREASE THE BUFFER HAS SIGNIFICANTLY MORE PRESERVATION AND THIS ACTUALLY REDUCES THE DENSITY OR THE NUMBER OF UNITS AS WELL. I WANT TO SHOW IT BECAUSE IT REALLY THIS WEEK WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON IT IN PREPARATION OF COMMITTEE AND IT'S NOT WHAT WE INCLUDED IN THE PUBLIC FILING. THIS, THE GREEN HERE WOULD BE TREE PRESERVATION AREAS. SOME THAT WE HAD BEFORE THERE ARE SOME ADDITIONAL SHOWN INCLUDING A BIT MORE ON HAVERSTICK AND WILD CHERRY. THE BIG INCREASE HERE IS TO THE NORTH. WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS MAYBE HARD TO TELL AS GRAPHICALLY PLEASING AS THE OTHER DRAWING. GIVE ACTUALLY ELIMINATED TWO BUILDINGS A TOTAL OF FOUR UNIT IN THIS AREA AND IN THIS AREA. WE HAVE DONE THAT BY CREATING DRY DETENTION INSTEAD OF SUBSTANTIAL UNDERGROUND DETENTION THAT WAS REQUIRED OR OUR SITE PLAN REQUIRED. THIS STILL HAS A SMALL AMOUNT OF UNDERGROUND RETENTION BUT THE PREVIOUS ONE I SHOWED THE ONLY DETENTION WAS UNDERGROUND. WHAT WE HAVE BEEN WORKING TOWARDS IS FINDING THAT THIS WOULD REMOVE A BUILDING THAT WOULD BE AT THIS PROPERTY AND THEN AT THIS PROPERTY AS WELL IN WHICH WE UNDERSTAND THAT IT WAS A CERTAINLY MAJOR ISSUE OF THE PEOPLE WHO SPOKE. THIS HOLDS A WIDER BUFFER TO THE NORTH SIDE AND ACTUALLY FROM HERE TO HERE IT IS A SUBSTANTIAL BUILDING BECAUSE THE CLOSEST BUILDING WOULD NOT

BE UNTIL HERE. >> THAT IS A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION FOR SURE. DO YOU KNOW AND MAYBE YOU COULD BRING THIS TO RESIDENTIAL COMMITTEE AS FAR AS THE TREES THAT WOULD BE IN THAT AREA? THERE'S CLEARLY SOME TREES THAT ARE REALLY SPECIAL. IF WE COULD WHIP AROUND AND SAVE ALL OF THOSE IF YOU COULD WRING THAT TO THE RESIDENTIAL COMMITTEE WE

COULD BRING THAT TO US MORE CLOSELY. >> WHEN IT GETS TO THE TIME OF US DOING IT WE WILL HAVE AN ARBORIST MARKED AREA SPECIFICALLY OF WHAT WE CAN SAVE. I AM SURE THERE ARE SOME REALLY GOOD TREES IN THE AREAS WE WILL PRESERVE AND THERE'S SOME IN THE MIDDLE THAT WILL BE PRESERVED BUT WE HAVE EVERY INTENTION AND MOTIVATION TO KEEP THE BEST TREES AND HAVE THE LARGEST AREAS. THIS IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE MODIFIED A LITTLE BIT AS WE GO BECAUSE WERE TRYING TO FIND WAYS TO MAKE A FEW OF THESE AREAS MORE

SUBSTANTIAL IN ONE PLACE AS OPPOSED TO HAVING SMALL AREAS. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: WE WILL TALK

MORE AT COMMITTEE. THANK YOU. >> CHAIR: JEFF? >> COUNCIL MEMBER: IT'S A CONSISTENT THING I HAD SOME THOUGHTS ABOUT THE TREE PRESERVATION AND I WILL NOT TRY TO BELABOR IT MORE. ONE THING STEPPING BACK IN THE STAFF ALREADY ADDRESSED THIS AT SOME DEGREE BUT WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THIS LAST WEEK AND EVEN REVIEWING NOTES AGAIN TODAY I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I FELT COMFORTABLE THAT THIS WAS THE RIGHT USE AND LOCATION FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS AND IT REALLY WAS STARING AT THE EXISTING C3 PLAN AND THINKING ABOUT THE PENDING CHANGES THAT ARE COMING AND THE NOTION THAT THE TOWNHOMES ARE TRADITIONAL TRANSITIONAL USE AND A RESIDENTIAL USE INSTEAD OF A POTENTIAL COMPONENT LIKE THE

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>> CHAIR: I GUESS HEARING THIS MY QUESTION WOULD BE THE SCREEN BEING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE EXHIBIT WOULD BE UNDERGROUND DETENTION OR PLANNED AS AN SILLY UNDERWATER DETENTION MY QUESTION IS COULD UNDERGROUND DETENTION COULD BE UNDER THE STREET SYSTEM SO AGAIN TO CONTINUE TO PRESERVE TREES HERE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS COMPONENT THCOULD MEAN CLEAR TR CLEARING. IN AN EFFORT TO CLEAR THE TREES ARE THERE ANY OTHER OPTIONS THAT YOU COULD CONSIDER THAT COULD BE AT AN UNREASONABLE EXPENSE THAT COULD CONTINUE TO IDENTIFY THOSE TREE PRESERVATION AREAS AND CAN THEY BE PRESERVED? I'VE ARTIE HEARD ABOUT TRAFFIC AND I WOULD ARGUE TO THEIR CREDIT THAT THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT THE CITY HAS INVESTED SIGNIFICANTLY INTO THE TRANSPORTATION EFFORT YOU TRAFFIC ON 96 STREET WAS A BREEZE TO WHAT IT WAS FIVE OR SIX OR SEVEN YEARS AGO WHEN USED TO WAIT 87 MINUTES TO GET THROUGH 96 AND KEYSTONE. I AM CONFIDENT THAT THE CITY CAN HANDLE ANY TRAFFIC ISSUES THAT ARE BEFORE US WHETHER IT IS THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT COMES OR SOMETHING ELSE. I THINK ONE NUANCED ELEMENT THAT I NOTICED IS THE ON STREET PARKING DOES PRESENT A LITTLE BIT OF A CAUSE FOR CONCERN FOR ME. I DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS SOMETHING THAT THE CITY HAD AS FAR AS THEIR INITIATIVE. I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR MORE ABOUT IT YOU'RE THE ONE CONCERN I HAVE IS THE PARKING IN THIS LAME TAPER AND FOLKS BACKING IN AND OUT OF THOSE, A LOT OF THINGS HAPPENING AT ONE TIME. YOU MENTIONED THIS WAS OVER PARKED AND I WONDER WHAT THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS ARE. IS THERE AT THE NEED TO PARK VEHICLES BEHIND ROGERS TO MEET THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS? SURE LOOKS LIKE IT WOULD BE HARD AND MAYBE YOU CAN ANSWER IT NOW OR ADDRESS IT TO THE COMMITTEE.

ONE OF THE THINGS I NOTICED IS THERE'S SOME ELEVATIONS THAT SAY PARK STREET ELEVATION AND POPULAR ELEVATION GOOD ARE THEY BUILT SOMEWHERE ELSE? IS THERE SOMEWHERE WE CAN SEE THESE?

WHERE'S THE SAT? >> CERTAINLY DID A LOVE FOR YOU TO SEE THEM. HALF THE PROJECT IS BUILT AND THE RENDERING WE WILL HAVE A RENDERING THAT MORE APPROPRIATELY GOES AROUND THE ROUNDABOUT THAT WE WILL BE BUILDING. THE RENDERING WAS FROM PARK STREET IN WESTFIELD DOWNTOWN WESTFIELD TO WHERE THE RESTAURANT ROAD IS 24 UNITS WE OPENED UP A YEAR AGO WE SOLD OUT IN LESS THAN A YEAR AND ABOUT HALF OF THE BUILDINGS ARE BUILT AND WE HAVE GOTTEN LOTS OF COMMENTS FROM NEIGHBORS AND PEOPLE WITHIN WESTFIELD THAT SAY THEY LOOK EVEN BETTER-THAN-EXPECTED FROM THE RENDERING AND CERTAINLY WE WOULD LOVE FOR THEM TO DRIVE BY AND SEE THEM THERE. WE HAVE NOTED A FEW CHANGES IN THE BROCHURE AND WE WOULD BE ADDING BRICK AND SOME OTHER FEATURES ON THE BACK AND SIDES.

ADDITIONAL, WHAT WE SUBMITTED WAS AN END THAT WOULD BE CLOSE TO THE NEXT BUILDING SO IT COULD NOT HAVE WINDOWS AND WE WILL BE HAVING WINDOWS ON EVERY SIDE OF THE BUILDING. YOU MIGHT HAVE NOTICED THAT THAT WE HAVE SOME IN WESTFIELD THAT IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT ENHANCING

THEM AT THIS SITE. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. I WILL CERTAINLY SWING BY AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT. I GUESS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AGAIN YOU CAN BRING ANSWERS TO THE COMMITTEE. DO

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>> CHAIR: CARRY? >> COUNCIL MEMBER: I WANT TO START OFF BY SAYING I THINK THERE IS A DIRECT CORRELATION BETWEEN THE NUMBER OF DEMONSTRATIVE'S DEAD COMING TO A MEETING AND POOR COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE NEIGHBORS AND DEVELOPER.

TONIGHT WAS A HUGE TURNOUT. I AM DISAPPOINTED OF THE ELECTIVE COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE DEVELOPER AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE PERCEIVED BLACK OF COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE DEVELOPER AND THE NEIGHBORS I THINK A LOT OF THIS COULD HAVE BEEN RESOLVED IF IT WAS TALKED THROUGH AND PEOPLE WERE GIVEN THE CHANCE TO SPEAK THEIR MIND AND SPEAK THEIR PIECE. I WANT TO START OFF BY SAYING THAT. SO, WHAT THE ILLUSTRATION YOU HAD OUT BEFORE YOU DELETED SOME

OF THESE BUILDINGS? SEVEN AND EIGHT ARE GONE? >> SPEAKER: YES, I WILL SHOW BOTH PORT. BUT WE TOOK OUT IN THE NEXT ONE IS SEVEN AND EIGHT. THIS IS SHOWING GREEN SPACE THAT HAS UNDERGROUND DETENTION AND IT AND WE ARE ACTUALLY FILLING UNDERGROUND AND YOU CAN'T TELL IT BUT IN EVERY PLACE POSSIBLE TO GET THE REQUIRED DETENTION. I WILL NOW PUT UP THE REVISED ONE THAT I SHOWED. ESSENTIALLY IN PLACE OF THE BUILDING ARE DIGITAL TREE PRESERVATION. THE GREEN AREA HERE, WE DO HAVE A SKINNIER BUT LONGER DRIED

ATTENTION INSTEAD OF THE UNDERGROUND DETENTION. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: SEVEN AND EIGHT ARE GONE? THE OTHER THING OBVIOUSLY WE WON'T TALK ABOUT TREE PRESERVATION I FEEL STRONGLY THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE A HUGE BUFFER IN BETWEEN ADJACENT NEIGHBORS AND THE OTHER THING I LIKE TO SEE IS THE REMAINING BUILDINGS AGAINST THE RESIDENTIAL OR TWO STORIES INSTEAD OF THREE STORIES. BUILDING NINE AND SIX I THINK THAT WOULD BE A MUCH BETTER TRANSITION AND THEN ALSO A MUCH LARGER TREE PRESERVATION AREA THERE ON THE BORDER. LET'S

SEE, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? NO, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. >> CHAIR: ALLEN?

>> COUNCIL MEMBER: THANK YOU. I'M REAL BIG ON DOING WHAT YOU SAY ARE GOING TO DO AND THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO ME. WHEN I HEAR THINGS CLINT LIKE, THIS IS NOT A HIGH DENSITY MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENTS AND I LOOK AT IT AND I'M THINKING YOU CAN SAY A LOT WITH WORDS AND BEAUTY IS IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER. I'M NOT SURE IF IT FOLLOWS ALONG WITH THAT DEFINITION OR NOT BUT WHAT I AM SURE OF IS I AM GOING TO BEAT THIS HORSE. THIS PROJECT, IF YOU'RE GOING TO BRING IT INTO THE RESIDENTIAL COMMITTEE NEEDS A DEFINITIVE TREE PRESERVATION PLAN. WHAT I READ ON THIS AND I'M NOT SURE WHY THIS WAS DONE BUT IN YOUR PRESENTATION MATERIALS YOU BRING IN ONE ILLUSTRATIVE SITE PLAN AND NOW YOU ARE BRINGING IN ANOTHER ONE. IT IS CONFUSING. IT CONFUSES THE COMMISSION AND THE PUBLIC AND WHEN I READ EXISTING TREES NEED TO BE PRESERVED AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, I'M NOT SURE JUST WHAT THAT MEANS I'M NOT TRY TO BE FUNNY ABOUT THAT. I THINK IF IT'S SOMETHING YOU BROUGHT IN AND THE PROJECT NEEDS, A WRITTEN PLAN THAT SAYS THIS IS WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO AND IF THIS TREE I'M NOT TELLING YOU

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MEET ON THE SIXTH. >> CHAIR: DEBBIE? >> COUNCIL MEMBER: TWO QUICK ONES. YOUR ORIGINAL RENDERING IN THIS ONE, WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE DIMENSION OF THE TREE PRESERVATION? WAS IT 15 FEET IN THE ORIGINAL ONE AND WHAT IS

IT IN THIS ONE? ON THE NORTH EDGE. >> SPEAKER: BELIEVE IN THIS AREA IT WOULD BE 15 FEET. WE HAVEN'T MEASURED IT BUT IT WOULD BE 60 OR 70 FEET TO THE BUILDING FROM THE PROPERTY LINE TO THE CLOSEST BUILDING. SUBSTANTIALLY MORE ALONG HERE.

>> COUNCIL MEMBER: THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL DEPTH NORTH TO SOUTH IN THE TWO RENDERINGS? NEWTON.

>> SPEAKER: THERE IS FROM THE CENTER OF THE PROJECT. THESE TWO BUILDINGS ARE IN THE SAME

POSITION AS BEFORE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: ONE COMMENT WAS ARE YOU INTENDING TO BACKFILL AND RAISE THE HEIGHT? I GUESS IF THIS IS GROUND-LEVEL ARE YOU INTENDING TO RAISE THE GROUND-LEVEL OR IS THIS CONTENTION ON THE GROUND-LEVEL STAYING GROUND-LEVEL?

>> SPEAKER: THE DRAWINGS SHOW FROM THE FOUNDATION HEIGHT AND WE ARE I THINK WHEN CARMEL MEASURES IT UNDER THE 35 FEET. WE ARE GOING TO PUT NOT ONLY THE FOUNDATION BUT THIS FIRST LEVEL WILL BE A FEW FEET BELOW THE GRADE. WERE NOT GOING TO RAISE IT ABOVE. IT WOULD BE

THE EXACT OPPOSITE. >> CHAIR: SUE? >> COUNCIL MEMBER: I WISH YOU WOULD HAVE BROUGHT IN THE REVISED DRAWING AND SPOKE OF THEM AND NOT BROUGHT UP LATER WITH ALL THE DEMONSTRATORS WITH THEIR CONCERNS. YOU WILL BE COMING TO MY COMMITTEE AND SO I HAVE A LIST OF QUESTIONS THAT WE CAN DISCUSS. I DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT VEHICULAR ENTRANCE ON 96 STREET AS THE DEPARTMENT ASKED FOR, SOME MORE WOODLAND EVALUATION. A LITTLE BIT MORE ON TIGHTENING UP THE BEAUTY AND BUCKLING IT UP. SOME OF THE PHRASES IN IT LIKE ELLEN SAID, AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE WE NEED DEFINITIVE ANSWERS THERE. I THINK I AM GOING TO STOP HERE UNTIL WE COME TO COMMITTEE BUT I THINK I READ SOMEWHERE WHERE IT IS SAID THERE IS 75 PERCENT LAND COVERAGE IN THE PUD. IS THAT BUILDING COVERAGE IN THE PROPERTY? I'M TRYING TO GET MY ARMS AROUND HOW THIS WILL LOOK. I WANT TO SEE HOW THE NEIGHBOR TO THE NORTH ESPECIALLY THE ONE THAT SPOKE TO MY WHAT KIND OF SITE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE AND I THANK YOU ARE HEARING TONIGHT THAT WE NEED A MUCH BIGGER TREE PRESERVATION LINE ON THE NORTH AND I WOULDN'T MIND YOU TAKING MORE BUILDINGS OUT THERE. I THINK THIS IS ANOTHER DENSE PROJECT IN AN ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOOD WITH LARGE PROPERTIES AND I THINK THERE'S MORE THAT COULD BE DONE

AND WE SHOULD DISCUSS AT COMMITTEE. >> CHAIR: JOSH?

>> COUNCIL MEMBER: THANK YOU MR. PRESIDENT. I WANT TO CLEAR UP A COUPLE OF THINGS QUICK.

JEFF IS SO POLITE AND SPEAKS OF ONE OF MY ROLES IN THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AND I WANT TO SAY I'M NOT THE CITY ENGINEER HE WEARS MATCHING SOCKS AND HIS SPIRIT IS NOT AS

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JACKSON'S GRANT BROUGHT IN A PUD LOOKED AT THE TOPOGRAPHY NOT AS A LIABILITY BUT ASSET.

I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR ALL OF THESE PEOPLE BUT MY GUESS IS THAT IF WE COULD, SHOW ME AN EXHIBIT OF WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE WITH FIVE HOUSES OR FIVE HOUSES ON IT. SHOW ME WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE GROUNDCOVER. MY THOUGHT IS IT LOOKS DEVASTATING IF WE KEEP IT AS S-2. IF YOU CAN GO THROUGH THE COMMENTS WHEN WILL THE LAND AS AN ASSET AND FIGURE OUT A WAY THAT WE CAN DO IT AS A SEMI-DENSE DEVELOPMENT BUT MAY BE MORE RESPONSIBLY. MY GUESS IS THAT THESE PEOPLE DON'T CARE ABOUT THE STORIES THEY CARE ABOUT THE HEIGHT SO IS THINK ABOUT THAT OLD MOVIE, BEING JOHN MALKOVICH WHERE THERE'S AND A HALF FLOOR IN THERE SO IT MADE THE BUILDING SO MANY STORIES TALL BUT IT WAS ONLY ONE. IT DOESN'T MATTER IT COULD BE FIVE OR SIX STORIES BUT I WANT TO KNOW HOW HIGH IT IS AND MY GUESS IS THAT WE COULD PROBABLY PUSH THE HEIGHT THING IF WE WERE CONDENSING EVERYTHING INTO AN AREA THAT WAS LESS OFFENSIVE TO THE PROPERTY AS AN ASSET. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? THANK YOU FOR INDULGING ME.

>> CHAIR: WE HAVE A COUPLE OF REMAINING QUESTIONS. PARKING. I BELIEVE YOUR MATERIALS INDICATE THAT THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL 115 PARKING SPACES HERE DOES EVERY UNIT HAVE ITS

OWN TWO-CAR GARAGE? SO THERE'S 58 SPACES? >> SPEAKER: THAT'S CORRECT.

>> COUNCIL MEMBER: 50 ADDITIONAL ON STREET PARKING SPACES DO THEY INCLUDE

DRIVEWAYS BUT ARE THEY PARALLEL PARKING SPACES? >> SPEAKER: IF THERE IS ENOUGH ROOM WE HAVE SOME PARKING BEHIND THE GARAGE BUT MANY OF THEM BECAUSE THE CONFIGURATION DOES NOT ALLOW THAT, WITH PARKING ALONG THIS PRIVATE STREET AND THIS WOULD BE CONSIDERED OFFSTREET PARKING AND YOU'VE SEEN IT ALREADY ALONG 96 STREET. THERE'S A FEW PLACES INTERIOR I BELIEVE WE ARE SHOWING A TOTAL OF 60 ADDITIONAL EMISSION 50. WE ARE

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A NECESSARY NUMBER. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: THAT SOUNDS EXTRAORDINARILY GENEROUS. THAT MEANS LET'S CALL IT 30 UNITS. EVERYBODY CAN HAVE TWO CARS IN THEIR OWN GARAGE SOME PEOPLE HAVE CARS IN THE DRIVEWAY AND WE WOULD STILL HAVE APPROXIMATELY 50 SPACES AVAILABLE FOR A HELL OF A SUPER BOWL PARTY. AND SO THE STRIP THAT YOU HIGHLIGHTED IF THOSE SPACES ARE NINE OR 10 FEET WIDE THAT'S NINE OR 10 FEET OF TREE PRESERVATION AREA THAT CAN EXIST AND I WILL TAKE TREE PRESERVATION OVER THOSE 16 PARKING SPACES OR WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK. SO, I'M NOT SURE, YOU NEED AREA FOR YOUR UNDERGROUND

ATTENTION I GET THAT. >> WE HAVE LOOKED AT THIS BUFFER AND ELIMINATING THE PARKING SPACES OR MOVING THE BUILDINGS AWAY S AWAY BUT IN THIS CASE BEING ABLE TO REMOVE THEM OR MOVE THEM FURTHER AWAY ON THE DIFFERENT BUILDING WE ARE LOOKING AT ALL THOSE

DIFFERENT OPTIONS. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: YOU SAID THE CITY IS ENCOURAGING THE SPACES ALONG 96 STREET AND WHAT I ENVISION THERE IS SIMILAR TO THE ON STREET PARKING THAT'S ACROSS THE STREET FROM BAR LOUIE AND THE OLIVIA BUILDING CLOSE TO YOUR OFFICE RIGHT NOW AND THAT SEEMS TO WORK WELL EVEN AS CARS COME OFF OF MAIN STREET AND THE ROUNDABOUT AND SETS THE TABLE FOR THE EVENTUAL WIDENING OF 96 STREET ACCORDING TO THE COP PLAN AND THOROUGHFARE PLAN. WHETHER THAT CREATES THE SAME SITUATION AND THAT IS NINE OR 10 FEET AGAIN THAT IS PREVENTING ADDITIONAL TREE AREA IS A TRADE-OFF THAT I WOULD LIKE TO LEARN ABOUT MORE AT THE COMMITTEE LEVEL. DOES THE DEPARTMENT KNOW WHAT THE EXISTING ZONING IS OR THE CITY OF INDIANAPOLIS COMP PLAN CALLS FOR FOR LAND ACROSS THE STREET

TO THE SOUTH? >> SPEAKER: YES. I DIDN'T LOOK AT THE ZONING BUT I LOOKED UP THE COMP PLAN FOR INDIANAPOLIS AND I THINK IT'S ALL OFFICE. THE WHOLE SECTION SOUTH OF 96

BETWEEN 465 IS OFFICE IN THEIR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. >> SPEAKER: TODAY IT'S LIKE COMMERCIAL SINGLE-FAMILY RANCHES THAT COULD BE A MIXTURE OF SINGLE-FAMILY USES AND LIKE COMMERCIAL TODAY. MEDICAL OR INSURANCE AGENTS THOSE KINDS OF THINGS ON THE SOUTH SIDE?

>> COUNCIL MEMBER: OFFICE COMMERCIAL IS THE USE CATEGORY THAT IT IS NOW.

>> COUNCIL MEMBER: THANK YOU. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: CAN I ASK ONE QUICK ONE? I'M GOING TO SPEAK IN NON-ARCHITECTURAL LAY TERMS. IF ON BUILDING NUMBER 9 OR UNIT NUMBER 9 UNIT NUMBER 9 IF YOU'RE GOING TO REMOVE SEVEN AND EIGHT CONSIDER WHEN YOU GO TO THE RESIDENTIAL COMMITTEE TAKING THE NORTHERNMOST UNIT ON NINE AND MACHINE IT OVER AND DOWN TO BE ADJACENT TO THE WEST, TAKING THE NORTHERNMOST UNIT ON SIX AND MACHINE IT EAST AND DOWN TO BE ADJACENT TO THE NORTHERNMOST UNIT ON THE EAST WITH THAT STILL GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF TREES WITHIN THE COMPLEX? WOULD IT ALSO THEN ALLOW YOU TO INCREASE THE WIDTH , DENSITY OR DEPTH OF THE TREE LINE TO THE ENTIRE NORTH OF THE PROPERTY?

>> SPEAKER: ARE YOU DESCRIBING MAKING A SINGLE UNIT HERE TAKING A UNIT FROM HERE AND

HAVING IT A SINGLE UNIT? >> COUNCIL MEMBER: THERE OR THE ONE ADJACENT TO SIX. TAKE YOUR PIN UP TO SIX AND THEN THEY'LL MOVE IT. IF YOU TOOK THAT ONE DOWN AND JUST MOVED IT DOWN SO THAT IT IS NOW ADJACENT TO THE EAST SIDE TO WHAT IS NOW THE SECOND ONE DOWN ON SIX. I AM

JUST ASKING. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: I THINK SHE'S ASKING TO DO THIS.

>> COUNCIL MEMBER: I'M CALLING IT MACHINE THERE'S PROBABLY ANOTHER WORD FOR IT BUT SLIDING

IT OVER AND BRING IT DOWN IS ELIMINATING SEVEN AND EIGHT. >> THESE ARE GARAGE DOOR ENTRANCES AND I THINK FROM WHAT I'M SAYING IS COULD BE AN ISSUE AND WILL CERTAINLY LOOK AT HOW

WE CAN FURTHER ADDRESS THAT NORTHERN BUFFER. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: I'M ONLY BRINGING IT UP AS AN OPTION ON HOW TO REDUCE THE TREE LINE TO THE ENTIRE NORTHERN EDGE OF THE

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INDULGING ME FOR A SECOND QUESTION. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: IT'S BEEN

MENTIONED. >> SPEAKER: AS WE TALK ABOUT THIS THE TREE PRESERVATION SHOULD BE THE GOAL AND ASSUMING THIS IS A TREE THAT'S WORTH PRESERVING? I BELIEVE THEY ARE, MANY OR MOST OR ALL OF THEM BUT UNTIL WE HAVE THAT TREE INVENTORY WE DON'T KNOW THAT FOR CERTAIN. EVEN THEN, MAYBE THERE ARE AREAS OF THE SITE THAT ARE MORE DESIRABLE TO PRESERVE AND AREAS THAT ARE LESS. UNDERSTANDING THAT DETAIL HELPS US UNDERSTAND THE SIDING AND THE MASK OF THE BUILDING ITSELF AND THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL IN COMMITTEE.

>> WE'VE HEARD IT FROM SEVERAL NOW WE WILL COME WITH AN INVENTORY AND WRITTEN PLAN ON HOW ARE GOING TO BE SPECIFIC ABOUT ADDRESSING TREE PRESERVATION.

>> CHAIR: THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE PETITIONER? IS THERE A MOTION

ON HOW WE WISH TO SEND THIS TO THE RESIDENTIAL COMMITTEE? >> COUNCIL MEMBER: A MOVE THAT WE SEND THIS TO THE RESIDENTIAL COMMITTEE WITH THE FULL PLANNING COMMISSION.

>> COUNCIL MEMBER: SECOND. >> CHAIR: THANK YOU BOTH ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION TO SEND THIS TO THE RESIDENTIAL COMMITTEE WHICH MEETS NEXT ON SEPTEMBER 6 TO BE WORKED ON BY THAT COMMITTEE UNTIL THE COMMITTEE RETURNS IT TO THE FULL COMMISSION WITH THE RECOMMENDATION SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE PAID ANY OPPOSED? SO THEN IT SHOULD BE. FOR THOSE OF YOU IN THE AUDIENCE AS THIS REMAINS IN THE RESIDENTIAL COMMITTEE THOSE WILL LARGELY BE WORKING SESSIONS PAID MORE Q&A SUCH AS YOU HAVE HEARD TONIGHT IDEA GENERATION, THAT KIND OF THING BETWEEN MEMBERS OF THAT COMMITTEE AND THE PETITIONER AND THEIR TEAM. THE PUBLIC HEARING, HOWEVER IS CLOSED ABOUT 50 MINUTES AGO. YOUR LETTERS CONTINUE TO BE OPEN CONTINUE TO SUBMIT THEM THAT WAY BUT THE WORKING SESSION AND THE COMMITTEE WILL BE BETWEEN THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS AND THE PETITIONER AND AGAIN IT WILL STAY AT THE COMMITTEE AND TELL THE COMMITTEE IS SATISFIED AND READY TO RETURN TO THIS BODY WITH EITHER A FAVORABLE OR

UNFAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION. GENTLEMEN, THANK YOU. >>> I ASKED THAT THE FOLKS WERE NOT STAYING FOR OUR EXCITING SECOND PETITION PLEASE EXIT THE ROOM QUICKLY AND QUIETLY. WE APPRECIATE YOUR INPUT. AND, MR. COOTS, I SAW YOU OUT AT THE HALL IF YOU WANT TO GET SET AT THE MITURNING OVE THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING THIS EVENING IS DOCKET PC ? 2022 ? 00108 L DES THE GOATS. THE APPLICANT SEEKS DESIGN APPROVAL FOR REMODEL ON 0.2 ACRES. THE SITE IS LOCATED AT 220 2ND ST. SOUTHWEST IN FRANK HAWKINS ADDITION LOT 1.

THE SITE IS ZONED B-2 AND IS WITHIN THE OLD TOWN OVERLAY, CHARACTER SUB AREA. FILED BY BEN BEMIS OF CEC INCORPORATED ON BEHALF OF KEVIN PAUL, OWNER. AND, DAVE IS BACK WITH US TO

SPEAK FOR THE PETITIONER. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. MY NAME IS DAVE KOO.

PMY OFFICE ADDRESS IN WHEELER 255 E. CARMEL DOCTOR CARMEL. HERE THIS EVENING REPRESENTING TOMAHAWK HOLDINGS INK THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 2 22ND ST. SW. ALSO PRESENT THIS EVENING THE REPRESENTATIVE TOMAHAWK HOLDING INK KEVIN PAUL AND DAN MORIARTY WHO IS THE ARCHITECT ON THE PROJECT WITH STUDIO M AND ALSO PRESENT FROM THE CEC CIVIL AND ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANTS SEAN JONES. I KNOW YOU ARE ALL FAMILIAR WITH WHY WE ARE HERE. I THOUGHT WE WOULD BREAK THIS UP INTO A COUPLE OF SEGMENTS. I WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO YOU BRIEFLY ABOUT AS A PART OF THE PUBLIC HEARING WHY WE ARE HERE AND HOW WE GOT HERE AND THEN DAN WILL GO THROUGH THE RELEVANT PORTIONS OF THE A DLS PLAN THAT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED AND REVIEWED BY TECH AND IS BEFORE YOU AS A PART OF THE PROCESS THAT WE WENT THROUGH AFTER THE PLANNING

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AND ALSO, SINCE WE SUBMITTED TO THE DEPARTMENT THE ELEVATIONS FOR THE WESTSIDE OF THE BUILDING THAT FACES MR. COHEN'S PROPERTY, WE MET WITH MR. COHEN AT HIS HOUSE, AT THE AREA AND HE ASKED US TO LOOK OUT THE WINDOW AND LET ME SHOW YOU WHAT I SEE OF YOUR BUILDING AND WE HAVE AGREED TO CHANGE THAT ELEVATION TO ENCLOSE IT AND SCREEN IT OR SHIELD IT FROM HIS VIEW. WITH THAT I'M GOING TO ASK DAN THAT YOU GO THROUGH THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN AND I WILL SPEAK RECENTLY TO THE SIGNING AND LIGHTING ISSUE HERE THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL LIGHTS TO THE BUILDING EXTERIOR WISE. THERE IS NO ADDITIONAL SIGNS BESIDES WHAT IS THERE EXISTING ON THE SOUTH WALL IN THE EAST WALL OF THE OLD PORTION OF THE BUILDING. AFTER THE BUILDING IS BUILT AND PERMITTED THERE MAY BE SOME NEED TO COME BACK AND/OR MOVE A SIGN TO MAKE IT MORE CENTRALLY LOCATED. BUT THAT IS NOT CONTEMPLATED AT THIS POINT. SO, DAN, IF YOU

WILL. >> CHAIR: I THINK THE BOOMER MIGHT NEED SOME AV ASSISTANCE TO GET THIS TO SHOW. OKAY. I AM SORRY. OH. YEAH, YOU ARE RIGHT. ALTHOUGH HE COULD TEASE

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ALL THE WAY DOWN. >> LIKE THAT. OKAY. THERE WE GO. I'M GOING TO HAVE TO STAND LIKE THIS OR SOMETHING. STAND ON ONE FOOT. WELL, I'LL BE! MAYBE NOW IS WHEN WE SHOW THE

DOCUMENTARY ABOUT ROUNDABOUT? >> OR MAYBE HENRY TALKING ABOUT TIF THAT WOULD BE GOOD.

I APOLOGIZE. >> DO YOU WANT TO TRY THE OVERHEAD CAMERA? THERE WE GO.

GREAT, THANK YOU. CAN WE SEE THAT ON OUR SITE MONITORS? GREAT, THANK YOU.

>> LET'S MAKE THIS FIGURE. IS THAT A LITTLE BETTER? >> SPEAKER: I AM DAN MORIARTY FROM STUDIO M AND I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE ARCHITECTURE TONIGHT. AS YOU ALL KNOW THIS HAS BEEN A PROJECT THAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT IN DETAIL FOR SOME TIME. THE, THIS SHOWS THE EXTENT OF THE CURRENT EDITION AS PLANNED. YOU WILL NOTICE THAT THE BUILDING HAS BEEN PULLED BACK. IT'S BEEN PULLED BACK FROM THIS PROPERTY LINE RIGHT HERE TO MISS THE STORM SEWER THAT IS CURRENTLY ALONG WITH THAT PART THERE. THAT IS A CITY SEWER THAT WE HAVE TALKED TO JEREMY CASHMAN ABOUT PEER ONE OF THE LAST TIMES THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE SEEN THE PLAN, THE FOOTING WAS CLOSER TO THE PROPERTY WHICH WAS I THINK ONE OF THE REASONS FOR THAT IS THAT WE WERE TRYING TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF THE OUTDOOR AREA THAT EXISTED AROUND THE PLAN WAS TO DISCOURAGE ANY OUTSIDE GATHERINGS AND CALL THEM UNLAWFUL OUTSIDE GATHERINGS ABOUT THE FACILITY. THEN, ONCE WE GOT THE A DLS PROCESS REALIZED JEREMY AND THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT HAD ASKED TO MOVE THE BUILDING BACK TO ALLOW THE SEWER TO STAY IN PLACE. THAT IS THE GENESIS OF THAT SETBACK YOU NOW SEE ALONG AS THAT WAS 12 FEET FROM THE

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ANSWER? WILL TURN IT BACK OVER. >> CHAIR: THANK YOU.

>> SPEAKER: DO YOU WANT ME TO LEAVE THIS UP HERE? >> CHAIR: IN THE COUPLE OF MINUTES WE HAVE LEFT THERE WERE A COUPLE OF OTHER COUNSEL ADDITIONS TO THE BED NAMING HOURS OF OPERATION AND ALL EXTERIOR ACTIVITIES WOULD CEASE AT 7 PM AND ALCOHOL SERVICE STOP AT 7:00 ACTIVITIES MOVE INSIDE BY 7:30 AND THAT DURING THE WEEK DAY, SUNDAY TO THURSDAY HOURS OF OPERATION WOULD END AT 11:30 P.M. FRIDAY, SATURDAY AND HOLIDAYS AT 12:30 P.M. AND THAT WAS CONSISTENT WITH OTHER BUSINESSES OF LIKE ACTIVITIES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THE COUNCIL INCLUDED THAT AS A PPROVISION OF THE REZONE ORDINANCE. NO OUTDOOR SPEAKERS ARE PERMITTED AND OF WORSE NOT PLANNED AND AS I TOLD YOU EARLIER NO ADDITIONAL LIGHTING TO THE EXTERIOR. SO WITH THAT, THAT WOULD CONCLUDE OUR PRESENTATION AND WE WILL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT MAY EXIST OVER THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION. THANK YOU.

>> CHAIR: THANK YOU PER THE PUBLIC HEARING CONTINUES WITH COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC. IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS PETITION? I CAN SEE ONE, TWO? THREE? ANYONE ELSE? WE HAVE A 20 MINUTE BLOCK OF TIME IS MISS BROWN, IS 4 MINUTES ENOUGH?

>> SPEAKER: MORE THAN ENOUGH. >> CHAIR: GREAT. WE WILL DO 4 MINUTES MAXIMUM PER SPEAKER

TIMES THREE SPEAKERS. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: I HADN'T PLANNED ON SPEAKING BUT I THINK

THIS IS AN IMPROVEMENT. >> CHAIR: WOULD YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF?

>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: ALLISON BROWN. ORIGINAL SITUATION THAT WAS PERTAINING TO THE NEIGHBORS. I THOUGHT TO SPEAK TONIGHT BECAUSE THERE WAS SOME REFERENCE TO THE FLAT ROOF OR BLACK ROOF IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND I'M THINKING IF YOU HAVE ALL OF THAT ROOF SPACE SHOULDN'T THERE BE SOLAR

MOUNTED THERE TO RUN? THANK YOU. >> CHAIR: THANK YOU.

>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: HELLO. JANE FLACK. WE LIVED DIRECTLY BEHIND THIS PROPERTY. I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU. YOU HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB OF TAKING OUR REQUESTS AND HELPING THE SITUATION TO ALLEVIATE THE ISSUES. I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION, IS THE FENCE GOING TO

STAY? OKAY THAT'S ALL I WANT TO KNOW. THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> CHAIR: THANK YOU.

>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: I LIVE OVER ON CLARK STREET. MY FAMILY LOVES THIS PLACE WHEN IT WAS OPEN AND I AM HAPPY THAT IT MIGHT GET REOPENED. I WOULD ASK THAT IF AT ALL POSSIBLE THEY ARE ALLOWED TO STAY OPEN A LITTLE BIT LATER BEARING IN MIND THAT THIS PLACE DOES A BUT AND IT'S RIGHT THERE ON MIDTOWN IS SUPPOSED TO BE A VIBRANT AND LIVELY PLACE CLOSING A 7:00 OR 8:00 OR ANYWHERE AHEAD OF 12 SEEMS TO BE A LITTLE DRACONIAN TO ME. THANK YOU.

>> CHAIR: THANK YOU. I WILL CLARIFY THAT THAT AGREEMENT WAS STRUCK BETWEEN THE PETITIONER AND ANOTHER BODY OF CARMEL GOVERNMENT THREE OF SEVEN MEMBERS ARE PRESENT TONIGHT SO YOUR SUGGESTION IS BEING HEARD BY THAT BODY. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK?

DAVE, IF YOU CARE TO RESPOND TO ANYTHING THAT YOU JUST HEARD? >> SPEAKER: I DON'T THINK THERE

IS ANY ADDITIONAL SPONSOR RESPONSE MR. CHAIRMAN. >> CHAIR: THANK YOU.

DEPARTMENT REPORT? >> SPEAKER: FOR THE RECORD I AM RACHEL KIESLING PLANNER WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY SERVICES. TONIGHT WE HAVE THE GOAT DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND ADL

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THE NEW CENTRAL ENTRYWAY SPACE HAS BEEN EXPANDED AS DAN SPOKE TO. THIS WILL ALLOW FOR BETTER PATRON AND EMPLOYEE FLOW FROM THE EXISTING BUILDING TO THE ADDITION PORTION. A NEW FLOOR PLAN HAS BEEN PROVIDED WHICH WAS NEEDED WHICH SHOWS ABOUT 87 NEW SEATS IN THE ADDITION.

THIS IS REDUCED FROM THE ORIGINAL PLAN OF ABOUT 124 NEW SEATS. SO, THAT'S ABOUT 87 LESS SEATS IN THIS NEW VERSION. AND JUST FOR REFERENCE THERE'S ABOUT 70 CE IN THE EXISTING PORTION WHICH INCLUDES AN INSIDE AND UNDER THE PERGOLA PATIO AREA. THERE WILL BE SIX NEW BATHROOM STALLS INSTALLED. INSTALLED AS PART OF THIS NEW ADDITION. WE ARE WORKING THROUGH REVIEW COMMENTS WITH THE PETITIONER ON PROJECT DOCS WHICH IS OUR ELECTRONIC REVIEW SYSTEM AND THERE STILL SOME OUTSTANDING ITEMS TO RESOLVE SUCH AS POTENTIAL HVAC LOCATION AND SCREENING, DUMPSTER SCREENING, DRAINAGE INFORMATION AND WE ARE HOPEFUL THAT SOME OF THE ITEMS CAN BE TAKEN CARE OF WITH SLIGHT MODIFICATION SUCH AS THE NORTH BUILDING SETBACK WHICH WE MENTIONED TONIGHT AND ALSO THE ROOF DESIGN IN ORDER TO REDUCE POTENTIAL VARIANCES NEEDED. THAT ROOF SPECIFICATION IS ONE OF THE ITEMS IN THE CHARACTER SUB AREA IN THE OLD TOWN SUB OVERLAY. I THINK WE CAN HANDLE ALL THOSE. BECAUSE THE SITE IS STILL IN THE OLD TOWN OVERLAY WE WERE EXPECTING SOME ITEMS TO REQUIRE VARIANCES SUCH AS THE LOCK COVERAGE. I DO NEED TO CLARIFY WHAT MR. COOTS SAID EARLIER THE OLD TOWN OVERLAY DOES SUPERSEDE THE B-2 ZONING WHICH IS WHY THE VARIANCE IS NEEDED FOR THE LOCK COVERAGE. LIKE I SAID IN THE DEPARTMENT REPORT WE WERE EXPECTING THIS BUILDING ADDITION TO COVER MOST OF THE OUTSIDE AREA PEER THAT WAS THE VIABLE SOLUTION THAT WAS DETERMINED AT THE REZONING PROCESS. SO, WE WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT VARIANT TO GO OVER THE ALLOWED LOT COVERAGE. WITH THAT, WE DO RECOMMEND THIS GO TO THE COMMERCIAL COMMITTE ON SEPTEMBER 6 AND RETURNED TO THE FULL LANEY COMMISSION FOR A FINAL VOTE. THANK YOU.

>> CHAIR: THANK YOU. THAT CLOSES THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS POSITION AT 7:54.

DISCUSSION FROM THE COMMISSION? MR. HILL. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: YES, THANKS.

I WANT TO ASK OR SAY OUT LOUD BECAUSE I DIDN'T HEAR IT PACIFICALLY STATED. THIS

SOLVES THE RESTROOM ISSUE, YES? >> SPEAKER: I DON'T KNOW IF I WANT TO COMMIT TO SOLVING THE EXACT ISSUE THAT THIS WILL CERTAINLY HELP IMMENSELY BY

PROVIDING ADDITIONAL FACILITIES IN THE RESTROOM. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: MAY ASK A QUESTION? WHAT IS THE ROLE ON THE NUMBER OF TOILETS THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO BE IN THIS

BUILDING? >> SPEAKER: I DO NOT KNOW THAT NUMBER PER BUILDING CODE. I AM

HOPING THAT DAN DOES. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: THIS IS A STATE THING? DAN, YOU CAN

ANSWER THIS QUESTION? >> SPEAKER: IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, THE STATEMENT DELETED THE PLUMBING REQUIREMENT ACTION FROM THE BUILDING CODE. AND IN TRUE INDIANA FASHION IF IT WERE

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>> CHAIR: I'M SORRY, DAN FAST-FORWARD I WON'T TAKE UP ANY MORE TIME IF YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD THIS YOU BUILD STUFF ALL OVER THE PLACE IF YOU ARE GOING TO DO THIS IN A MORE

PROGRESSIVE LACE WHAT WOULD BE THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION? >> SPEAKER: THE ONE THAT MEETS THE INTERNATIONAL PLUMBING CODE WHICH IS WHAT ALMOST EVERY STATE FOLLOWS AND I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK IT UP AS WE ARE TALKING BUT I BELIEVE IT IS ONE PER 35 WOMEN AND ONE PER 50 OF MEN.

DIVIDE THE SEATS IN HALF AND PLAN ACCORDINGLY. ARE THERE TWO IN THE EXISTING? TWO IN THE EXISTING IN THE NEW SIX WILL BE WELL BEYOND WHAT THE PLUMBING CODE REQUIRES.

>> SPEAKER: AT MR. PRESIDENT IF I COULD ADD TO THAT? 38 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE, YES, THIS IS THE

PROPER AMOUNT OF BATHROOMS FOR THAT AMOUNT OF SPACE. >> CHAIR: COUNCILOR KEVIN ?WOODY? RIDER THANK YOU FOR YOUR EXPERT OPINION.[LAUGHTER] IT FEELS LIKE IT'S OUTSIDE OF THE COVERAGE AREA BUT GIVEN THE SENSITIVITY WITH THE RESTROOMS IF DURING CONSTRUCTION OR TEMPORARY RESTROOMS AND PORTALS CAN WE MAKE SURE THEY WERE POSITIONED AWAY FROM

RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES? ALAN? >> COUNCIL MEMBER: THANK YOU MR. PRESIDENT. RACHEL, WHEN THIS COMES TO COMMITTEE JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE OUR DUCKS IN A ROW CAN YOU CHECK TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER I AGREE WITH YOUR EXPERTISE ON TOILET, MR. KEVIN ?WOODY? RIDER IF YOU COULD FIND OUT EXACTLY WHAT THE RULE IS FOR INDIANA AND IN REGARDS TO THE TOILET? THAT WAS CONJECTURE I JUST WANT TO KNOW FOR SURE WHAT THAT CONJECTURE IS HERE. DAVE, YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU DIDN'T HAVE ANY PLANS TO MOVE ANY SIGNAGE. DO YOU HAVE ANY PLANS FOR ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE? OKAY. ALSO, I APOLOGIZE, THEY MAY HAVE BEEN INTO THE RESTRICTIONS THAT WERE IN PLACE ARE THERE RESTRICTIONS IN PLACE FOR TIMES OF DELIVERY AND TRASH PICKUP?

>> SPEAKER: IT WAS NOT MENTIONED. NUMBER IT WOULD BE TYPICAL CITY STANDARD COVERED BY THE CARMEL ZONING ORDINANCES. THE TRASH LOCATION DOESN'T CHANGE. THE SAME AS IT IS TODAY THE SAME MIXTURE ENCLOSURE AND IN FACT PICKUP TIME WOULD BE THE SAME AS IN

THE AREA. >> SPEAKER: AGAIN MY THINKING WAS IN REGARDS TO DELIVERIES BUT SINCE THIS WOULD BE DELIVERIES ON A RESIDENTIAL STREET PER SE THAT TRUCKS WOULD HAVE TO BE THERE AND I WAS THINKING ABOUT THE SENSITIVITY TO THOSE WHO LIVE THERE STILL TO HAVING TRUCKS BLOCKED AT CERTAIN TIMES IT MAY BE CONVENIENT TO HAVE DELIVERIES

TO THE FACILITY AND THE MORE OFF PEAK TIMES. >> KEVIN CAN ADDRESS HOW HE

CAN CONTROL THIS. >> SPEAKER: THIS IS KEVIN PAUL THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY FOR FOOD, BEER AND WINE AND LIQUOR LIQUOR DELIVERIES WEEK FOUR DATED IT WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THAT OF THE SOCIAL CANTINA ACROSS FROM US. IT WOULD HAPPEN AT THE SAME TIME FOR LOGISTICS BOTH FOR THE DISTRIBUTORS AND THE EASE OF AND I'M NOT GOING TO EXAGGERATE, THERE'S A MILLION AMAZON TRUCKS ON THAT ROAD EVERY SINGLE DAY ALL DAY LONG.

THE GARBAGE PICKUP IS THE SAME AS THE RESIDENTIAL HOUSES BUT WE GET AN EXTRA PICKUP EVERY

FRIDAY THAT THEY DO AT SUN KING AND THE OTHER PROPERTIES. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: THANK YOU.

ONE LAST THING THAT WAS A CONCERN I KNOW THERE WILL BE AN ENTRANCE ON 2ND ST., SOUTHWEST AND THERE WILL BE TWO ADDITIONAL ENTRANCES AND EXITS TO THIS FACILITY IS THAT

CORRECT? >> SPEAKER: THE MAIN ENTRANCE WILL BE THE NEW ENTRANCE ON MILAN BOULEVARD IN THE ENTRANCE WERE TALKING ABOUT TO THE SOUTH IS SERVICE AND GARBAGE TO THE

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>> COUNCIL MEMBER: THAT WOULD BE AN EXIT ONTO 2ND ST., SOUTHWEST? YOU CAN ACCESS THE SECOND STREET EXIT BECAUSE THERE'S FIVE PARKING SPACES ALONG SECOND STREET SOUTHWEST

THERE. THE EXIT IS AIMED AT THE MONA. >> THOSE ENTRANCES AND EXITS

WOULD BE AWAY FROM THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION? >> CORRECT.

>> ALL RIGHT. THANKS. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: FOR BIKE PARKING SPACES ARE PROVIDED?

IN THAT AND IT CONFORMS TO THE CODE? >> SPEAKER: WITH ALL OF THE BOULEVARD IMPROVEMENTS ALONG THE AREA THERE ARE A MULTITUDE OF BIKE PARKING SPACES IN THE

GENERAL VICINITY. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: OKAY, THAT WAS MY NEXT QUESTION WHAT ARE THE PUBLIC BIKE PARKING FACILITIES? IS THERE ANY ROOM TO ADD MORE BIKE PARKING ON THIS SITE? WE JUST GOT DONE TALKING ABOUT AN 80 PERCENT LOT COVERAGE.

>> SPEAKER: THE PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE ALONG THE BOULEVARD IS THAT THE STORM SEWER WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IS FORCING THE BUILDING TO THE WEST SLIGHTLY IS THE CITY STORM SEWER BUT IT'S ON OUR GROUNDS. SO, THE CITY ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT HAS ASKED US NOT TO DO ANYTHING ON TOP OF THEIR STORM SEWER LINE. I DON'T KNOW IF BIKE PARKING ON THAT AREA IS AN ISSUE WITH THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT BUT THERE IS SPACE THERE AMONG THE LANDSCAPING THAT USED TO BE AND

THERE'S ALSO FENCING ALONG THEIR. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: THE FENCING, IT IS IT INTERIOR TO THE STORM SEWER? YOU'VE GOT THE GREENWAY AND IN THE STORM SEWER AND IN

THE FENCING? >> SPEAKER: SEAN? I THINK WE WERE OUT THERE THE OTHER DAY AND I THINK THE FENCE RUNS RIGHT ALONG THE EDGE OF THE STORM SEWER.

>> COUNCIL MEMBER: I GUESS WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS IF THAT STORM SEWER PRESENTS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR MORE BIKE PARKING OR IF THE FENCE ENCLOSES IT SO THAT WE CAN'T.

>> SPEAKER: THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT STORM SEWERS AND QUESTION THAT ARE INVOLVED.

ONE RUNS EAST TO WEST BETWEEN THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY SITE AND THE GOAT SITE AND THAT'S ALREADY THERE. THAT'S OFF THE PROPERTY ON A 10 FOOT EASEMENT AND THAT'S GOT THE FENCE. IF THAT IS THE FENCE THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THAT STORM SEWER IS NORTH OF THE FENCE AND IN PLACE. ONE THAT RUNS NORTH-SOUTH IS PART OF THE MONA NONDEVELOPMENT AS RACHEL HAD SAID AND IS BETWEEN, YOU GO TO ELEVATION ON THE MOMENT ON TRAIL AND IT IS THERE. ON KEVIN'S PROPERTY BUT AS IT A CITY SEWER. DON'T ASK ME HOW THAT HAPPENS BUT THEY DON'T WANT TO MOVE IT, TO GO THROUGH THE EXPENSE OR MASS OF MOVING IT SO WE AGREED TO MOVE THE BUILDING BACK TO MIX THE SEWER BUT THERE'S NO BUILDING BACK THERE. AM I CONFUSED ON YOUR

QUESTION? >> COUNCIL MEMBER: I UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING THAT YOU JUST EXPLAINED BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ROOM TO ADD PRACTICAL BIKE PARKING OUTSIDE THE FENCE

IN THE AREA ENCLOSED BY THE FENCE. >> SPEAKER: A COUPLE THINGS FIRST. THE FENCE THAT EXISTS THERE THAT GOES NORTH TO SOUTH WAS PUT THERE TO KEEP PEOPLE OFF OF THE LOT. THAT WILL GO AWAY AND BECOME LANDSCAPING. WHERE THE STORM SEWER OPENING IS THERE WERE TWO PADS OF CEMENT ON HER PROPERTY AND WE PUT FOR BIKE RACKS ON THE LEFT SIDE OR THE SOUTH SIDE AND THERE'S ROOM TO PUT FOR MORE ON THE NORTH SIDE SO IT WILL BE A LITTLE MORE SYMMETRICAL. WE HAD PLANNED TO DO THAT ANYWAY. OUR CUSTOMERS ASKED THE BIKE

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PLENTY. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: I DON'T WANT TO ASK YOU TO DO SOME THING

THAT IT WAS NOT RECOMMENDED BUT WE CAN DO IT. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: MR.

PRESIDENT? >> CHAIR: MR. KEVIN ?WOODY? RIDER?

>> COUNCIL MEMBER: I WAS ASKED IF THERE'S ANY PLAN COMMITMENTS I'M GOING TO ASK IF THERE'S A CITY ATTORNEY HERE. BOTH OF THEM ARE HERE. NOTHING WAS UNSIGHTED AND NOTHING AUTOMATICALLY CHANGES AND THE ONLY WAY TO CHANGE IT IS TO COME BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL?

>> CHAIR: THAT'S CORRECT. LET ME CORRECT MY ANSWER. IT DEPENDS ON THE COMMITMENT. IT MAY COME IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR NOTIFICATION PROCESS OR IF THERE IS ADDITIONAL REZONED IT CAN GO FOR BOTH PLANNING COMMISSION AND IT WILL BE AT

LEAST ONE LAYER OF REVIEW MOST LIKELY, TOO. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: CORRECT BUT THE FINAL SAY IN THAT WOULD HAVE TO COME FROM THE CITY COUNCIL?

>> COUNCIL MEMBER: MR. CHAIRMAN I WOULD MOVE THAT THIS GO TO THE COMMERCIAL COMMITTEE ON 6 SEPTEMBER AND RETURN BACK TO THE FULL PLANNING COMMISSION FOR A FINAL APPROVAL.

>> COUNCIL MEMBER: SECOND. >> CHAIR: THANK YOU BOTH. ALL IN FAVOR TO SEND THIS TO THE COMMERCIAL COMMITTEE SEPTEMBER 6 WITH FINAL APPROVAL RESERVE TO THE FULL COMMISSION SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THAT'S WHAT WILL HAPPEN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE HAVE ONE

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>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU. LET ME GET MYSELF ORGANIZED HERE. I'M GOING TO USE THIS UP HERE.

GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS DOUG WAGONER OF THE SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT OF THE RESIDUAL DEVELOPMENT OF REPUBLIC DEVELOPMENT IN JACKSON STATE REAL ESTATE COMPANY. WITH ME TONIGHT IS JOHN MCKENZIE THE PRESIDENT AND OWNER OF MCKINSEY COLLECTIONS WHO IS BUILDING THE TOWNHOMES THAT YOU ARE REVIEWING AND HOPEFULLY APPROVING TONIGHT. AS EVERYONE SAID THE LOCATION OF OUR SITE IS THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF 116TH AND SPRINGVILLE. WE ARE IMMEDIATELY SOUTH OF THE JACKSON'S GRANT COMMUNITY AND YOU CAN SEE ON THE MAP IT IS THE AREA THAT IS SURROUNDED IN GREEN. WE ARE HERE TONIGHT SEEKING A DP LDL US APPROVAL OF THE 52 TOWNHOMES AND THE CLUBHOUSE AMENITY. THE SITE PLAN SHOWS THE OVERALL SITE TODAY WE ARE LOOKING AT THE 83 ACRE SITE IS SECTION NUMBER 2 IDENTIFIED BY THE BLUE BUILDINGS WHICH ARE THE TOWNHOMES AND THE RED BUILDING WHICH IS THE CLUBHOUSE FACILITY. IN TRYING TO STAY BRIEF TONIGHT I AM GOING TO SHOW YOU NEW DOCUMENTS THAT WERE PREPARED AND PRESENTED TO THE RESIDENTIAL COMMITTEE AS OPPOSED TO GOING BACK TO THE ORIGINAL LAYOUT. WE DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS SO I DON'T HAVE THE CLUBHOUSE IN HERE OR THE LANDSCAPING SO THOSE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS ON THAT I'LL TRY TO ANSWER THEM WITHOUT EXHIBIT. THE FIRST EXHIBIT I HAVE TODAY IS A FIVE UNIT COLOR RENDERING OF THE TOWNHOMES. THIS WAS NOT PROVIDED IN THE EARLIER PRESENTATION WE ONLY HAD THE THREE UNIT BUILDING SHOWING. IT DID NOT HAVE AS MANY COLOR VARIATIONS SO IT SHOWS A VARIETY OF COLORS. IT WAS ONE OF THE REQUESTS WE WERE ASKING FOR. NEXT IS THE REAR ELEVATION OF THE BUILDINGS. THE MAIN THING TO SEE ON THIS IS WE HAVE A ONE-STORY BRICK WRAPPED ON THE FULL REAR OF THE BUILDING AND WE ADDED SOME ADDITIONAL WINDOWS TO THE SECOND STORY WHICH ARE HERE. THIS WAS ORIGINALLY MORE OF A BLANK WALL AND I CAN SHOW YOU THIS IS THE ORIGINAL SUBMITTAL WHERE YOU CAN SEE THE BLANK WALL IN THE SECOND STORY AND WE

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YOU CAN SEE ON THE FAR RIGHT THE DOUBLE DOOR THAT WAS PRETTY PROMINENT IN THE GREENS VERSUS THE DOUBLE DOOR WHICH IS A DIFFERENT LAYOUT. IT DOES NOT HAVE THE TRIM AND IT APPEARS TO HAVE A DIFFERENT LOOK. ON THE FAR LEFT THERE IS THE ACTUAL DOOR WITH THE SKYLIGHT. THE WINDOWS YOU'VE GOT TRIPLE WINDOWS HERE DOUBLE WINDOWS HERE AND BIGGER DOUBLE WINDOWS HERE. WE TRIED TO REVISE THE WINDOWS AND THE DOORS AS WELL AS WE HAVE REVISED THE ROOFING ABOVE THE FRONT PORCHES. THIS ONE HAS A HIP ROOF AND IN THE MIDDLE UNIT WE HAVE LOWERED DOWN THE ROOF LINE SO THE GUTTER BOARD IS LOWER AND PROVIDED DIFFERENT LOOK ON THE MIDDLE UNIT AND ON THE FAR LEFT THERE IS MORE OF THE TYPICAL SHED ROOF. AGAIN WE'VE GOT A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS GOING ON WHICH WERE REQUESTED BY STAFF TO TRY TO WAKE UP THAT FRONT ELEVATION AND MAKE THE UNITS THEMSELVES APPEAR TO BE MORE UNIQUE. THIS IS THE REAR OF THE SAME THREE UNIT BUILDING. I WILL MENTION THAT ON THIS ONE THE SIDE ELEVATION, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SHOWS UP ON BOTH SIDES IS A PUNCH OUT WINDOW. THIS WAS ONE OF THE LAST CHANGES MADE AND WE ADDED A PUNCH OUT WINDOW TO WAKE UP THAT LONG VIEW ON THE SIDE ELEVATION IN THE DINING ROOM OF THE TOWNHOME. THE SAME THING SHOWS ON THE OTHER AND THE PUNCH OUT WINDOW AND ON THE REAR ELEVATION YOU CAN PROBABLY SEE IT BETTER, THOSE FOR WINDOWS THAT WERE ADDED ON THE BEDROOM WALL UP THERE I THINK IT SHOWS THE ANGLED LOOK THAT WE HAD ON THAT COLOR ELEVATION IT MADE THEM LOOK LARGER THAN WHAT THEY ARE THAT THEY WILL BE 18 INCH WINDOWS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE BEDROOM LEAVING AMPLE SPACE FOR A KING SIZE BED BETWEEN THE WINDOWS. THEN WE MOVE ON TO THE COLOR PALETTE. WE ORIGINALLY OFFERED THREE COLOR PALETTE BECAUSE WE WERE SHOWING ONLY THE THREE UNIT BUILDING AT THAT TIME WHEN WE INTRODUCE THE FIVE UNIT BUILDING WE WERE ASKED TO PROVIDE A FOURTH AND FIFTH COLOR PALETTE. I WILL GO THROUGH ALL FIVE QUICKLY. YOU WILL NOTICE THE BRICKS WILL CHANGE AND THE SIDE THE MAIN BODY OF THE HOME THE SIDING COLOR WHICH IS APPEAR CHANGES YOU WILL NOTICE THAT THE BLACK FOX WHICH IS THE TRIM COLOR WILL REMAIN CONSISTENT. WE'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF CONSISTENCY ON THE TIES THAT KEEPS THE UNITS TOGETHER. THAT'S UNIT NUMBER 1. THIS IS UNIT NUMBER 2 ON THIS ONE WE WOULD ACTUALLY USE BLACK FOX AS BOTH THE BODY COLOR AND TRIM COLOR. THIS IS UNIT THREE. THIS IS A LITTLE LIGHTER BRICK AND A GRAYISH BODY AND THEN NUMBER 4 IS A DARKER BRICK WITH A DARKER PEWTER COLLAR ON THE SIDING AND UNIT FIVE A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT COLORATION OF THE BRICK AND THE BODY OF THE HOME.

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THERE'S A LOT OF WORK BEING DONE. WE WENT BACK TO THE FAIRGROUND COMMITTEE AND WE IDENTIFIED WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS THE EIGHT WORST VIOLATORS WE PROCEEDED TO CORRESPOND WITH THEM AND THAT CORRESPONDENCE INCLUDED A FIRST LETTER THAT WENT TO EACH HOMEOWNER IN A SECOND LETTER WHICH WAS A REGISTERED LETTER AND ALL OF THIS WAS IN DISCUSSION WITH DARREN MINTON. ALL OF THAT OCCURRED PRIOR TO THE JUNE HEARING DATE. AND AFTER THAT DATE IN DISCUSSION WITH THE COMMITTEE IT WAS GREAT THAT WE HAD DONE A LOT OF MUNICATION AND WE ACTUALLY HAD IN THE TIME IDENTIFY THE NIGHT HOMEOWNER AND OF THE NINE WE HAD THREE COMPLIANT AND SIX NONCOMPLIANT. IT WAS A CHALLENGE TO THE MUNICATION. LET'S START

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THEN WE BACK DOWN AND WE SAID LOOK, WE REALLY WANT TO SEE COMPLIANT. AS NEIGHBOR TO NEIGHBOR AND HOMEOWNER TO HOMEOWNER YOU ENCROACHED IN A COMMON AREA THAT IS NOT YOUR PROPERTY IT'S THE HOMEOWNER PROPERTY AND WE NEED TO GET OFF OF IT. A LOT OF THESE ARE MOWING ISSUES AND WE NEED TO QUIT MOWING. WHAT WE HAVE DONE AS A HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION AND AS A DEVELOPER, FIRST, WE CAME IN AND IDENTIFIED THE CORNERS OF THESE LOCATIONS WE COULD IDENTIFY THE PROPERTY LINE AND WE HAVE SINCE GONE IN LAST WEEK AND INSTALLED THESE TREE PRESERVATION SIGNS. THIS WAS PROVIDED BY DARREN AND IS THE SAME SIGN THAT CARMEL USES AND ITS MANY OF THEM BEHIND THE HOMES ARE NONCOMPLIANT. IT HELPS TO IDENTIFY THIS IS WHERE YOU HAVE TO STOP MOWING AND EVERYTHING IN FRONT OF IT YOU HAVE TO LET IT GO. THERE ARE A FEW HOMEOWNERS WHO HAD HARDSCAPE ISSUES IN THE TREE PRESERVATION EASEMENT AND THOSE HAVE TO COME OUT AS WELL. THAT WAS TAKEN AND LAID OUT IN THE LETTER. AFTER THE INSTALLATION OF THE SIGNS IN 30 DAYS WE WILL GO BACK AND INSPECT AGAIN. IF THEY HAVE NOT STARTED TO GET COMPLIANCE WHICH EVERY HOMEOWNER HAS SAID THAT THEY WILL, WE WILL TAKE TOUGHER STEPS WHERE WE ACTUALLY GO IN AND INSTALL A FENCE BACK BEHIND THE PROPERTY. IF THEY HAVE NOT GOTTEN THE HARDSCAPE OUT WE WILL TAKE THOSE OUT AT OUR EXPENSE AND TURN IT AROUND AND INVOICE THEM BACK INTO THE SPECIAL ASSESSMENT. TRYING TO GET HARDER WERE TRYING TO GET COMPLIANCE AND THE ONE HOMEOWNER THAT WAS THE WORST COMPLIANT I'M HAPPY TO SAY HAS MADE SIGNIFICANT STEPS IN GETTING ALL THE HARDSCAPE DOWN. HE HASN'T GOT THE WALKOUT YET BUT HE SAID HE'D GET THAT DONE. I THINK WE'VE HAD SOME GREAT STEPS MOVING FORWARD IN THIS AREA AND THEN TO FINISH IT OFF GETTING BACK TO JACKSON'S GRAND VILLAGE THAT'S ALL IN JACKSON'S GRANT VILLAGE. WE HAVE COMMITTED TO INSTALL THREE SIGNS IF YOU LOOK AT THE RED DOTS THIS IS THE TOWNHOME BUILDING HERE WE'VE GOT ONE IN THE BACK OF THE TOWNHOME ONE IN THE FRONT OF THE TOWNHOME AND THEN ONE WHICH WOULD BE IN THE FUTURE SECTION OF THE RETAIL COMPONENT OF JACKSON GRAND VILLAGE. IF YOU SLIP OVER TO THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE WE GOT THREE LOTS RIGHT HERE THAT BACKUP TO A TREE PRESERVATION AREA AND DARREN HE TYPICALLY SAYS HE PUT A SIGN ON THE CORNERS OF THE LOT. WE GOT TO SIGNS COMING IN HERE TO PROPERLY IDENTIFY THE TREE PRESERVATION EASEMENT BEHIND THE RESIDENTIAL LOTS. THESE ARE A PROACTIVE STEP WHICH WE DID NOT DO INITIALLY WITH JACKSON'S GRANT SO WERE TRYING TO LEARN FROM OUR MISTAKES AND GET A BETTER JOB DONE. WITH THAT I THINK IT'S EVERYTHING WE'VE COVERED THROUGH THE COMMITTEE. AND, IF WE'VE GOT ANY QUESTIONS WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM OTHERWISE WE RESPECTIVELY ASK FOR A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION.

>> CHAIR: THANK YOU. WE HEAR FROM THE COMMITTEE CHAIR. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: WITH AS MUCH INPUT FROM THE STAFF AND THE COMMITTEE, THE PETITIONER HAVE TO SAY CAME VERY WELL PREPARED TO THE COMMITTEE MEETING AND WORK IN GREAT DETAIL TO MEET ALL OF OUR REQUESTS. I THINK EVERYTHING IS DONE AND READY TO GO. WE ARE ALL VERY HAPPY WITH THE CHANGES MADE AND THE FINAL PRODUCT CONCERNS AND WE ALL RECOMMEND THIS TO MOVE FORWARD.

>> CHAIR: THANK YOU. FROM THE DEPARTMENT? >> SPEAKER: WE HAD TO RESIDENTIAL COMMITTEE MEETINGS AND THE COMMISSIONER MADE SEVERAL CHANGES THAT THEY WENT THROUGH THIS EVENING. THE SITE PLAN IS IN LINE WITH THE CONCEPT PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED WITH THE PUD. THEY HAVE MADE CHANGES TO THE ARCHITECTURE PROVIDING THE FOUR AND FIVE UNIT ELEVATIONS AND REVISE THE LANDSCAPE PLAN TO SHOW MORE SHRUBS ON THE SIDE OF THE END UNITS AND ADDED TREES TO THE LOT IN THE FRONT AND REAR OWNERS. AT THIS POINT THEY

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>> CHAIR: THANK YOU. DISCUSSION FROM THE COMMISSION?

>> COUNCIL MEMBER: ONE QUESTION. I HEARD WITH YOUR DISCUSSION ABOUT THE PARKING SUMMARY AND I AM PARAPHRASING AND NOT TRYING TO PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH, SOMETHING RELATED TO WE SATISFY THE PARKING NEEDS IF WE ALLOW ON STREET PARKING AND IT WILL BE ON ONE SIDE. IS

THERE A PARKING RESTRICTION NEEDED TO SATISFY THAT? >> SPEAKER: NUMBER I'M SORRY, TYPICALLY ON THE SINGLE-FAMILY LOTS THERE 75 FOOT WIDE LOTS AND YOU PUT A DRIVEWAY ON EACH ONE OF THOSE LOTS WITH THE MAILBOX THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A LOT OF PARKING ON THE STREET ON THAT SIDE JUST BY THE VIRTUE OF THE DEVELOPMENT IS SELF. I DON'T THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A SPECIFIC RESTRICTION ON THAT BUT THE OTHER SIDE WITH THE TOWNHOME SPACE THERE'S NO DRIVEWAYS IT JUST OPENS IT UP FOR GOOD PARKING AT THOSE LOCATIONS. AGAIN, THOSE WERE PART OF THE SUMMARY BUT WE CALCULATED A LITTLE OVER 40 IN THAT AND THAT IS PARKING VERY EFFICIENTLY UNLESS WE STRIPE IT WHICH WE WOULDN'T DOING WE WOULDN'T GET THAT DAY THEY

WOULDN'T BE EFFICIENTLY PARKED. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE VERY COMPREHENSIVE EXPLANATION REGARDING THE TREE STUFF WHICH IS NOT ON THE CORNER OF JACKSON'S KSON'S RANCH TO THE REST OF MY COMMITTEE MEMBERS IT WAS IMPORTANT TO ME THAT WE HAD THEM FOLLOW THROUGH ON WHAT THEY SAID THEY WERE GOING TO DO BEFORE WE BROKE OFFICE AND SET NEW GOALS ON A CORNER SO, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND, SINCE I AM TALKING, THIS ONE PARCEL THAT IS ON 116TH ST. WANT THIS MAKE A GREAT AMENITY AREA FOR YOU

GUYS? AT 1.1 IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S A DEAL. >> SPEAKER: IS UNFORTUNATE. WE TRIED TO WORK WITH MISS CUNNINGHAM EARLY ON IN THE PROCESS AND WE WERE ASKED BY STAFF TO CONTACT HER AND MAKE SURE SHE WAS NOT LEFT BEHIND. WE OFFERED TO ZONE HER PROPERTY FOR HER FREE OF CHARGE WITH A FIRST RIGHT OF REFUSAL IF SHE HAD AN OFFER THEY DRAWN. SHE PRETTY MUCH REBOOTED EVERYTHING THAT WE TRIED, THE LIFE ESTATE, WE MADE AN OFFER AND EVERYTHING. SHE SAID THAT SHE SIX FOOT FENCE SCREENING ME SO WE COMMITTED TO PUTTING A SIX FOOT FENCE ALONG THE LANDSCAPING BUFFER AND PROPERTY AND HAVE LEFT HER ALONE.

UNFORTUNATELY, SHE DID PASS. HER DAUGHTERS STILL LIVE THERE PAND THEY ELECT TO PUT IT UP FO SALE. AT THAT PRICE, WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN A LOT OF INTEREST. GOING THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS FOR A FEW MORE TOWNHOMES WE ENDED UP GOING IN THERE AND IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM TO BE WORTH

THE EFFORT FOR US, UNFORTUNATELY. >> SPEAKER: I COULDN'T HELP BUT SINCE YOU'RE HERE AND APPRECIATE THE ANSWER AND I'M SORRY TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT.

>> CHAIR: IS THERE A MOTION? >> COUNCIL MEMBER: THERE IS A MOVE TO APPROVE.

>> CHAIR: THANK YOU PRESIDENT KEVIN RIDER. MS. HALL, ALL IMPROVED DULY APPROVED BELIEF FAVOR OF APPROVING THE DOCKET, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. ANY OPPOSED? IT IS APPROVED.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU DOUG. AND THERE IS NO

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