Oct 15, 2024 Carmel Plan Commission

[A. Call Meeting to Order]

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>>> GOOD EVENING, WELCOME TO THE MEETING OF THE PLAN COMMISSION. WOULD YOU PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MR. SECRETARY, WOULD YOU

[C. Roll Call]

[D. Declaration of Quorum]

[E. Approval of Minutes]

THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED. COMMUNICATIONS, BILLS,

[G. Reports, Announcements & Department Concerns]

>> NOTHING TO REPORT. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> WE JUST WANTED TO REPORT THE OUTCOME OF THE PROJECT THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. WE HAVE THE THREE ZONE WHICH WAS DISCUSSED THAT FOR DECEMBER 7TH. THE SPRING MILL SHOPS, THAT WAS DISCUSSED AND WILL ALSO BE CONTINUED. THIS SAYS NOVEMBER 7TH, IT WAS DECIDED THAT THEY WOULD TABLE IN NOVEMBER AS WELL AND COME BACK IN DECEMBER. AND THEN THE MERIDIAN TRAILS COMMITMENT AMENDMENT AND VARIANCES WERE SENT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION TONIGHT WITH A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION. WILL HEAR THAT AS OLD BUSINESS. THANK YOU.

>> THIS BRINGS US TO THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF OUR MEETING THIS EVENING. THE PLANNING COMMISSION RULES AND PROCEDURES ARE THAT THE PETITIONER WILL HAVE 20 MINUTES TO PRESENT AND WHEN THE PETITIONER IS DONE, THERE WILL BE TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT UP TO A TOTAL OF 20 MINUTES. AND THEN THE PETITIONER WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE REBUTTAL COMMENTS FROM FOR FIVE MINUTES. THE DEPARTMENT WILL ISSUE THE

[H.1. Docket No. PZ-2024-00140 OA: Gramercy PUD Ordinance Amendment.]

THE SITE IS LOCATED AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF CITY CENTER DRIVE AND KENDRA AVENUE. AND IS CURRENTLY ZONED -- ON BEHALF OF BUCKINGHAM PROPERTIES LLC. I WILL TURN IT OVER TO SEAN.

>> THANK YOU. FOR THE RECORD, I AM A LAND-USE PROFESSIONAL WITH THE LAW FIRM OF NELSON AND FRANKENBERGER. PRESENT TONIGHT ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT IS THE SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT OF DEVELOPMENT AT BUCKINGHAM. AND OTHER MEMBERS OF THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM. BY WAY OF GENERAL BACKGROUND, IN 2006, THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT. AND THAT PERMITTED A MIXED-USE DEVELOPMENT ON THE FORMER APARTMENT PROPERTY. AFTER ADOPTION IN 2006 THERE WERE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES IN THE ECONOMY AND HOUSING INDUSTRY THAT PREVENTED THE OVERALL PLAN FROM ADVANCING FORWARD. BY WAY OF EXAMPLE, WE RETURNED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN 2018 AND RECEIVED APPROVAL FOR THE WEST PLANNED DEVELOPMENT WHICH IS BEING DEVELOPED AND COMPLETED TODAY BY DAVID WEEKLY HOMES. AT THIS TIME, BUCKINGHAM IS PROPOSING AN AMENDMENT WITH A

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MULTI FAMILY APARTMENT BUILDINGS, THE RENOVATION OF TWO-STORY APARTMENT BUILDINGS DEDICATED PUBLIC PARK AND PLAZA SPACES, COMMON AREAS AND OPEN SPACE AND PEDESTRIAN AND VEHICULAR CONNECTIVITY. THE APPLICANT WILL BE REQUIRED TO RETURN TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AFTER ZONING CONSIDERATION FOR DEVELOPMENT PLANS FOR ALL BUILDING TYPES AS WELL AS THE FINAL SITE CONFIGURATION. I WANTED TO SHARE SOME OF THE IMAGERY THAT IS INCLUDED IN THE ORDINANCE.

THIS IMAGE IS IN THE CENTRAL AREA HERE NEAR THE COMMUNITY WHERE IT IS LOCATED WITHIN THE GRAMERCY DEVELOPMENT. RIGHT HERE IN THIS LOCATION. OTHER DEPARTMENT DEVELOPMENTS AND TOWNHOMES TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH. THAT IS THE MULTI-STORY BUILDING THAT INCLUDES STRUCTURED PARKING. AND CONDOMINIUMS ABOVE. THE NEXT IMAGE OF A TYPICAL APARTMENT BUILDING NORTH OF THE BUILDING YOU SEE THERE BETWEEN THERE AND CARMEL DRIVE. ATTACHED TO THE CITY CENTER DRIVE. THIS LAST EXHIBIT WOULD BE CHARACTERISTIC OF A TOWNHOME BUILDING WITH TOWNHOMES PROPOSED IN DIFFERENT LOCATIONS ACROSS THE PROJECT.

THESE ARE THREE EXAMPLES OF THE TOWNHOMES. EVERYTHING WILL COME BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS INDICATED IN THE STAFF REPORT THEY WILL ALSO BE REQUIRED TO RETURN BACK TO THE CRC DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION FOR APPROVAL BECAUSE OF THE ENGAGEMENT IN THAT SITUATION. THESE ARE JUST EXAMPLES THAT WERE SHARED EARLIER THIS YEAR. THEY ARE INCORPORATED IN THE ORDINANCE. REVIEWED FOR CONSISTENCY AND COMPLIANCE.

FINALLY, IN CONCLUSION, OUR TEAM HAD AN OFFICIAL NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 18TH WHERE WE PRESENTED THIS TO SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS AND ADDRESS THEIR

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MEETING WITH DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS, WE ALSO HAD A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING THAT WAS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS REQUEST THAT HIS APPEARING IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. SO THAT FOLKS WOULD BE AWARE OF THAT REQUEST. TO GET THAT INFORMATION TO YOU IN ADVANCE OF TONIGHT'S MEETING OR -- WE HAVE REVIEWED THE STAFF REPORT AND WE WILL WORK WITH THEM ON MODIFICATIONS REGARDING THE WORDING OF THE AMENDMENT SO THAT IT MATCHES UP WITH THE PROPOSED PLANS. IT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE PUBLIC HEARING THIS EVENING THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL LOOK FORWARD ON THE MATTER FOR REVIEW ON OCTOBER 7TH. WE SPOKE TO STAFF EARLIER TODAY AND WE ARE AWARE THAT THE DEPARTMENT REPORT IDENTIFIED THE DECEMBER MEETING DAY. IT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT IT WAS A MISSTATEMENT. NOT NECESSARILY AN ERROR. IT WAS A TYPO AND WE HAVE TALKED TO STAFF AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT WE ARE NOT IN DISAGREEMENT. THEY WOULD RECOMMEND IT FOR REVIEW OF YOUR -- WITH THAT, I WILL CONCLUDE THAT. AT THIS TIME AND IT THE CONCLUSION OF THE PUBLIC

HEARING. >> WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME APPEAR AND WE WILL GIVE YOU FIVE MINUTES OR SO. THERE ARE LIGHTS UP HERE. THEY WILL CHANGE COLORS, YOU WILL SEE, YOU WILL TURN TO YELLOW TO GIVE YOU A WARNING AND READ WHEN TIME IS UP. PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND GENERALLY, WHERE

YOU LIVE. THANK YOU. FIVE, YES. >> HELLO, I'M CARA PULLEY, I'M A RESIDENT AT HUNTERS GLEN WHICH IS RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THE PROPOSED CARMEL MARKETPLACE. OUR BOARD IS HAVING THEIR OWN MEETING THIS EVENING. I KIND OF WAS APPOINTED TO COME AND SPEAK TO YOU GUYS. I AM A LITTLE NERVOUS. SORRY. WE MAINLY HAVE CONCERNS WITH TRAFFIC. WITH THE CARMEL MARKETPLACE, WE ARE NOT OPPOSED TO DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA, WE WANTED TO BE NICE, WE WANT TO ENJOY IT OURSELVES. JUST IN THE CARMEL MARKETPLACE, THERE BEING ABOUT 818 ADDITIONAL UNITS WHETHER IT IS APARTMENTS, TOWNHOMES, CONDOS, FOR RENT. APARTMENTS FOR RENT.

IF EACH OF THOSE WERE A TWO-CAR FAMILY, SOME CAN BE MORE, SOME CAN BE LESS, THAT WOULD ADD AN ADDITIONAL 818 CARS IN THAT SMALL AREA, RIGHT THERE. OUR CONCERN IS THAT WE ARE NOT ABLE TO GET IN AND OUT OF OUR OWN COMMUNITY. IT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT A TRAFFIC STUDY WAS DONE AND I THINK THE DOCUMENT SAID 2006. A LOT HAS GONE INTO CARMEL SINCE 2006 WHEN THAT TRAFFIC STUDY WAS DONE. THE APARTMENTS AND DEVELOPMENT AT 116TH AND RIDGE LINE ROAD AND NOT TO MENTION THE ADDITIONAL APARTMENTS THAT WILL GO INTO GRAMERCY , THE GRAMERCY SECTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT. THE MAJORITY OF THE RESIDENTS WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW TRAFFIC IS GOING TO BE ADDRESSED. ERIC HAS BEEN VERY NICE, IF JEREMY IS HERE, I'M SORRY, I DON'T KNOW WHO YOU ARE. WORKING WITH JEREMY TO TRY AND GET HIM TO COME OUT AND MAYBE ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS FOR OUR COMMUNITY. WE DID WANTED TO BE ON RECORD THAT THIS IS SOMETHING WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT. THE OTHER THING THAT THE RESIDENTS ARE WANTING TO KNOW, I DON'T FALL INTO THIS RANGE YET, HUNTERS GLEN IS WHERE MOST OF THE RESIDENTS ARE 55+. THEY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR DAILY WALKS, TRYING TO GET ACROSS CARMEL DRIVE. THE SAFETY OF THAT FOR THEM WHEN THEY DON'T LIVE -- WALK AS FAST. THEY ARE WONDERING WHAT THE MARKETPLACE, THERE WOULD BE AGE RESTRICTED UNITS. HOW MANY OF THOSE WILL

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>> THANK YOU, YOU DID A GREAT JOB. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> DO YOU NEED ANYTHING ELSE FOR ME?

>> YOU DID GREAT. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND WE WILL SET THE

TIMER FOR FIVE MINUTES. >> HELLO, EVERYBODY, I AM A RESIDENT OF OUR COMMUNITY. I WOULD LIKE TO PIGGYBACK ONTO WHAT CAROL WAS SAYING ABOUT THE TRAFFIC ISSUE. ONE THING THAT CARA MADE CLEAR, THERE ARE TWO COMPONENTS TO THIS DEVELOPMENT.

THE HOUSING AND HUGE DEVELOPMENT THAT IS HAPPENING BEHIND WHERE WE LIVE. AND THIS IS THE OTHER THING, THE MARKETPLACE BEING BUILT RIGHT BESIDE WHERE WE LIVE. IMAGINE FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, WE ARE BEING ENCLOSED BY A GIGANTIC AMOUNT OF NEW DEVELOPMENT. I FEEL THAT MANY ARE JUST BASIC CONCERNS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN ADEQUATELY ADDRESSED. LET ME JUST TAG ONTO CARA'S COMMENT ABOUT TRAFFIC AND THE CARS. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE PRIDE OURSELVES ON HERE IN CARMEL IS OUR COMMITMENT TO BEING GREEN AND HEALTHY AND FIT AND ACTIVE AND TAKING CARE OF THE ENVIRONMENT AND NATURE . NO ONE HAS REALLY YET EXPLAINED TO ME HOW ADDING NOT JUST THE 800 CARS THAT CARA MENTIONED BUT THOUSANDS OF CARS WHEN YOU FACTOR IN THE TRAFFIC THAT WILL BE COMING FROM GRAMERCY HOUSING DEVELOPMENT DOWN KINZER RIGHT ADJACENT TO OUR COMMUNITY AREA.

IT IS NOT JUST 800 CARS RIGHT NEXT DOOR, IT IS THOUSANDS OF CARS THAT WILL BE IN AND OUT OF OUR TINY LITTLE AREA WITH ONE LITTLE ROUNDABOUT TO MANAGE THE INFLUX OF HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF CARS, PRESUMABLY MANY OF THEM MOVING AT THE SAME TIME OF DAY AND THAT WILL BE AROUND THE SAME TIME AS SCHOOL BUSES. WE HAVE NOT REALLY HEARD ANY ANSWERS ADDRESSING THAT YET.

PLEASE, WE WOULD LIKE TO HEAR MORE. FINALLY, HOLD ON, GIVE ME ONE SECOND. YES. THE MARKETPLACE BEING BUILT NEXT TO US, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ALSO HAVE CONCERNS OF HIS BUSINESSES BEING OPEN PAST 10:00 P.M. THERE IS A BRAND-NEW MARKETPLACE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM US . AN INDIAN SHOP AND MARKET AND RESTAURANT AND THEY ARE OPEN UNTIL MIDNIGHT.

THEY SERVE ALCOHOL AND WE WERE NOT REALLY GIVEN ANY HEADS UP ABOUT THAT, HOW WE FELT ABOUT THAT HAPPENING SO CLOSE TO WHERE WE LIVE. WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS NOT GOING TO BE NIGHTCLUBS AND WHATEVER MAKING NOISE RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO US. THAT SAID, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. OKAY, I SEE THAT WE HAVE ONE MORE.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME UP AND SPEAK? AGAIN, WE WILL GIVE YOU FIVE MINUTES. THE TIMER WILL TURN RED WHEN IT IS TIME TO STOP SPEAKING. PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF.

>> GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. MY NAME IS JOSIE COCA AND I AM A RESIDENT OF HUNTERS GLEN. SO SORRY, I WAS NOT AVAILABLE IN THE FIRST MEETING IN SEPTEMBER. THIS ONE, I AM LUCKY THAT I'M HERE. QUICKLY, I WILL FOLLOW WITH WHAT MY FELLOW RESIDENTS HAVE SAID. MY MAIN CONCERN HERE IS THAT FOR ME AND MANY OTHERS, WE HAD ZERO KNOWLEDGE ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON. NUMBER ONE QUESTION IS, IN THE LAST FEW YEARS THAT WE HAVE LIVED IN CARMEL, WE HAVE SEEN THE DRASTIC DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS TAKEN PLACE. ONLY UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY MIGHT THINK OF IMPROVING THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS AREA. MY ONLY CONCERN HERE IS, WHAT OR HOW IS OUR EXISTING HOMES GOING TO BE IN RELATION TO THIS PROJECT? THAT'S ALL I WANT TO KNOW. I'M NOT OPPOSED

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COMMISSION? >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> WE ARE HAVING MORTGAGES. OUR BANKS ARE OWNING THEM. HOW IS THAT RELATIONSHIP CONNECTED TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE OWNING OUR HOMES. YEAH. OWNING OUR HOMES, WE ARE JUST TENANTS.

>> THANK YOU. JOHN, DO YOU WANT TO RESPOND TO ANY OF THE

COMMENTS BROUGHT UP? >> YEAH, I CAN. IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC, BUCKINGHAM HAS BEEN HAVING DISCUSSIONS FOR NUMBER OF YEARS ABOUT THE FUTURE OF KINZER FROM WHERE IT EXTENDS TODAY THROUGH GRAMERCY INTO CARMEL DRIVE. THEY PROVIDED A TRAFFIC STUDY TO CARMEL ENGINEERING AND IT IS OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT INFORMATION WAS ACCEPTABLE TO CARMEL ENGINEERING AND THEY INCORPORATED THAT INTO THE ANALYSIS BEHIND THE TWO ROUNDABOUTS THAT ARE BEHIND CARMEL DRIVE. THE EXTENSION OF KINZER DRIVE INTO THE 501 PROPERTY APPROXIMATELY WHERE KINKO'S IS TODAY. THROUGH THE SITE. AND FINALLY, WITH REGARD TO UNDERSTANDING WHAT IS HAPPENING, BUCKINGHAM REACHED OUT EARLIER THIS YEAR WITH RESIDENTS BEGINNING BACK IN MARCH. WE HAD A SEPARATE OFFICIAL MEETING WHERE SEVERAL OF THE RESIDENTS WITHIN THE HUNTERS GLEN NEIGHBORHOOD RECEIVED -- FROM A NOTICE STAND POINT, BUCKINGHAM, WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR CREDIT FOR THAT.

THOSE DISCUSSIONS STARTED SEVERAL MONTHS AGO IN REGARDS TO THE QUESTIONS SURROUNDING CARMEL MARKETPLACE IN THAT VICINITY. JUST THOSE TWO ITEMS, I'M GLAD TO HAVE FURTHER DIALOGUE WITH THE COMMISSIONER ABOUT THESE ITEMS.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I WILL TURN TO THE DEPARTMENT FOR THE

DEPARTMENT REPORT. >> THANK YOU. I AM THE PARTNER OF PLANNING WITH COMMUNITY SERVICES. WE WOULD LIKE TO AMEND THE ORDINANCE. IN ORDER TO PROVIDE A SPECIFIC SITE PLAN TO FINISH OUT THE DEVELOPMENT ALONG KINZER AVENUE. THIS PLAN CONSISTS OF A COMBINATION OF TOWNHOMES, APARTMENTS, CONDOS, AND MIXED USED BUILDINGS. THE LANGUAGE WILL AMEND THE PART OF THE 2006 GRAMERCY PUD THAT NO LONGER APPLY. THE BULK OF THE WORK THAT WE HAVE DONE TOGETHER ON THE PUD AMENDMENT LANGUAGE IS AMENDING EXHIBIT G WHICH IS THE DESIGN AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OF THE ORIGINAL PUD. TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS NEW PLAN, THERE ARE SOME COMPONENTS OF THE 2006 PLAN THAT NEED TO BE REMOVED AND UPDATED. ONE WOULD BE MAPS THAT NEED TO BE UPDATED. THERE ARE MENTIONS OF TELEPHONE BOOTHS AROUND.

DESPITE THAT, THE EXHIBIT G IS A CONFERENCE OF COLLECTION OF ALL OF THE DESIGN PRINCIPLES THAT WE DESIRE TO IMPLEMENT ON THE PROJECTS THAT WE DO THROUGHOUT THE CITY. WE NEED TO KEEP AS PART OF THE PUD BECAUSE IT WILL PROVIDE US WITH SPECIFIC STANDARDS TO EVALUATE EACH OF THE PROJECTS THAT WILL COME BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR DEVELOPMENT PLANS AND A DLS APPROVAL. WE ARE FINE-TUNING THOSE CHANGES AND DO HOPE TO BE FINISHED FOR THE NEXT COMMITTEE MEETING. AS JOHN SAID, I PUT DECEMBER COMMITTEE MEETING IN THE RECOMMENDATION. THEY CAN GO TO THE NOVEMBER 7TH PLANNING COMMISSION PLANNING MEETING FOR FURTHER REVIEW. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I WILL START WITH COUNSELOR MINARD.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH, MADAM CHAIR. I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT HUNTERS GLEN SPECIFICALLY. SO, THIS CAME IN FRONT OF CITY COUNCIL AND WAS ALSO SENT TO THE LAND USE COMMITTEE. AT THE LAND-USE COMMITTEE, THE PRESIDENT OF YOUR AGE AWAY ATTENDED EVERY SINGLE MEETING AND WE DISCUSSED AND IRONED OUT AND TRIED TO MEET AND TRIED TO GET THE PETITIONER TO MEET EVERY DEMAND THAT YOUR -- LET ME TAKE THAT BACK. THE REQUEST TO THE BUILDER AND THE PETITIONER TO

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THERE WAS A LOT OF PUBLIC NOTICE ABOUT IT. IN FACT, THERE WERE PUBLIC HEARINGS ABOUT IT AS WELL IN THE LAND-USE MEETINGS, WE ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO COME AND ACTUALLY SPEAK.

THERE IS NO NEED FOR THIS CIRCUMSTANCE I YOU SEE HERE TODAY. I DON'T MEAN TO REFER TO IT AS THAT. ALSO, TO YOUR TRAFFIC CONCERNS, THERE IS A PROJECT WHICH I WILL LET JOSH SPEAK ON. THERE IS A PROJECT IN PLACE THAT WILL BE HAPPENING ON CARMEL DRIVE THAT WILL HELP -- OUT OF YOUR SPECIFIC NEIGHBORHOOD. FOR HUNTERS GLEN, WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT CITY COUNCIL REALLY DID BEAT THEM UP . SORRY, ERIC, WE DID BEAT YOU UP PRETTY BADLY TO TRY AND HELP YOUR CONCERNS WITH YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD. SO, THEY DID A LOT OF CONCESSIONS AS FAR AS LOWERING THE BUILDING SIZE NEXT TO YOUR SIDE OF THE PROPERTY AND NOT ALLOWING THE INGRESS INTO YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT WAS ALL CONSIDERED. THERE WERE SEVERAL. I'M SURE THAT JOHN CAN SPEAK TO THAT BETTER THAN I COULD. WE REALLY DID TAKE THAT

INTO CONSIDERATION. >> JOHN, EXCUSE ME, JOSH, DID

YOU WANT TO MENTION -- >> I AM HAPPY TO JUMP IN. MAYBE JEFF CAN BACK ME UP. IN MY CAPACITY, I ALSO WORK IN THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT FOR THE CITY OF CARMEL. JEREMY IS VERY GOOD AT WHAT HE DOES. AND MY COMMENT WOULD BE, IT IS NOT REALLY THE PURVIEW OF THIS PANEL TO MAKE AN ASSESSMENT ABOUT TRAFFIC STUDIES. BUT THE COUNCILWOMAN IS ASKING ME TO TALK TO, IS NOT THE TRAFFIC STUDY ITSELF, WANT TO TIP MY HAT TO THE PURVIEW OF THE CITY ENGINEER WHICH JEFF CAN PICK UP WHERE I LEAVE OFF HERE. AND THE CITY ENGINEER IS NOT GOING TO MAKE A DECISION THAT IS A DETRIMENT TO OUR COMMUNITY.

HAVING SAID THAT, IT APPEARS THAT BOTH THE LONG-RANGE PLAN AND THE CITY'S FUNDING MECHANISM HAS SET US ON A TRAJECTORY TO INCREASE VEHICULAR AND PEDESTRIAN IN A COMPLETE STREET SCENARIO CONDUCTIVITY ALL THE WAY FROM HUNTERS GLEN ALL THE WAY TO KINGSVILLE. AND ADDRESS MANY OF WHAT WE AS CITY PLANNERS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT, BUT ALSO TO ADDRESS MANY OF THE CONCERNS AND QUESTIONS I HAVE HEARD.

NOW, TO TALK SPECIFICALLY TO A COUPLE OF POINTS, THEN I WILL SHUT UP. A COUPLE OF POINTS, I KNOW FROM A LAYPERSON'S PERSPECTIVE, SEEING THESE NUMBERS THAT YOU HAVE CALCULATED IS VERY INTIMIDATING AND SEEMS OFF THE RICHTER. LIKE I SAID, WE DEFAULT THIS BOARD AND THIS COMMISSION DEFAULT TO THE WISDOM OF THE CITY ENGINEER AND HIS MANAGING OF THE CITY'S RIGHT-OF-WAY. I DON'T HAVE THE TRAFFIC STUDY IN FRONT OF ME SO I CANNOT TELL YOU THE NUMBERS ON CARMEL DRIVE FOR INSTANCE.

THOSE NUMBERS HAVE GONE UP AND THAT ROAD WAS MASTER-PLANNED FOR THE NUMBERS THAT WE ARE SEEING TODAY, I WILL GO WITH YES. IT SEEMS LIKE OVERCOMPENSA LAST THING THAT I WILL ADD, JUST TO THAT POINT, THE CITY HAS HAD A LONG-STANDING POLICY OF NOT ENGINEERING ROADS FOR THE PERIOD OF HEAVY CONGESTION AND ENGINEERING THE ROADS FOR THE 24 HOURS OF USE DURING THE DAY. WE DO THAT UNDER THE PREMISE THAT WE ACCEPT THERE IS GOING TO BE SMALL WINDOWS WHERE IT IS UNCOMFORTABLE. BUT FOR ECONOMIC AND PUBLIC SAFETY PERSPECTIVES AND THE REASONS I WILL NOT GO INTO RAY HERE, WE HAVE ENGINEERED OUR SYSTEM TO

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>> THANK YOU. TO JOSH'S POINT, I WILL NOT TALK LONG EITHER. I APOLOGIZE. THE PROJECTS THAT WE ARE HOPING TO PASS IS A LOT OF MONEY. AND WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO, AS PART OF THE BOND ISSUANCE IS TO CREATE SAFETY IN ROUNDABOUTS. AND THAT IS RAISED CROSSWALKS AND BEACONS. THAT IS WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT. MAKING SURE THAT THE STUDY THAT IS DONE, THAT WE ARE PAYING ATTENTION TO THOSE THINGS. IN ORDER FOR US TO DO THIS, WE NEED TO DO IT RIGHT. WE ARE RELYING ON OUR CITY ENGINEER TO

GUIDE US. >> I SHOULD CLARIFY. BOTH ARE GOING TO WATCH THIS AT THIS POINT. JEREMY CASHMAN IS THE CHIEF INFRASTRUCTURE OFFICER FOR THE CITY. THE FORMER CITY ENGINEER. HE IS ALSO A REALLY SMART GUY. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY. I DO NOT WANT TO MISLEAD EVERYBODY. HE IS THE

CHIEF INFRASTRUCTURE OFFICER. >> THANK YOU, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM PLANNING COMMISSIONERS? JEFF?

>> I HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS. I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN BE ANY MORE ELOQUENT. I WOULD'VE STATED IF NOT SPOKEN OTHERWISE THAT THE CITY HAS A STRONG TRACK RECORD OF INVESTING IN INFRASTRUCTURE WHETHER IT IS CARS, TRUCKS, PEDESTRIANS, BICYCLES. I GUESS I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE COMMISSIONER OR WE CAN BRING FOLLOW-UP FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO THE PLANNING MEETING. AS FAR AS FEEDBACK GOES, I REALLY LIKED THE RENDERINGS I YOU SHOWED. I HAVE SET A HERE BEFORE. I'M NOT REALLY AN ARCHITECTURE GUY. WHAT YOU PROPOSED IN THE AREA -- WHERE DID MY NOTES GO? THE PLAZA. THAT IS WHAT I AM LOOKING AT. AREA D. I LOOKS INCREDIBLE. THAT'S GREAT. TAB SIX, IF IT IS AREA E, I THINK IT IS A LITTLE LACKING. PERHAPS THAT IS SOMETHING WHERE WE CAN GATHER FEEDBACK FROM OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE BETTER AT THIS THAN ME. MY GUT FEELING WAS THAT IT LOOKS LIKE A REGULAR TOWNHOUSE. I ENCOURAGE YOU TO STEP UP YOUR GAME. WHATEVER THAT MEANS. THAT IS VERY VAGUE.

SORRY FOR THAT. I JUST WANTED TO OFFER YOU THAT. THE ONE THING I WROTE DOWN AS YOU TALKED ABOUT YOUR PRESENTATION, THE COMMUNITY IS TO BE WALKABLE AND PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY. I AM KIND OF CURIOUS, MAYBE YOU HAVE ALREADY HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS. I WAS CURIOUS, CAN THERE BE SOME TYPE OF CONNECTION TO HUNTERS GLEN IF THEY ARE RECEPTIVE TO THAT.

JUST ASKING THE QUESTION. THE NOTION THAT THERE IS A STREET ENTRANCE ON THE SIDEWALK, IS THERE SOME WAY TO ENGAGE FOLKS WITH THE DEVELOPMENT SO THAT IT IS AVAILABLE TO ALL? I WILL

STAND DOWN. >> THE PUBLIC PORTION IS

CLOSED. >> I JUST WANTED TO ASK THE QUESTION. YOUR FEEDBACK IN THE COMMITTEE MEETING. THE OTHER THING I THINK ABOUT, JUST IF THERE ARE PEDESTRIAN OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE NOT THERE TODAY THROUGH THOSE TYPES OF CONNECTIONS, CAN WE ELIMINATE THREE LEFT TURNS OUT OF THE PLACE WHERE SOMEONE CAN WALK TO MORE EASILY? JUST A GENERAL QUESTION. THIS IS WAY TOO FAR INTO THE WEEDS. ARE YOU BUILDING OVER SOME KIND OF OPEN DRAIN? YOU HAVE PROBABLY WORKED THAT INTO THE FUTURE ENGINEERING. YOU CAN TELL ME MORE A COMMITTEE. BECAUSE OF THE PLAZA THAT IS BUILT, THE ACCESS FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE EASTERN PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT, I DON'T KNOW IF IT HAS A NAME. GRAMERCY EAST EAST. THEY DO NOT HAVE VERY GOOD ACCESS TO KINZER TO GET TO THE ROUNDABOUTS. IT IS RIGHT IN AND WRITE OUT ONLY AT 126. IS THERE SOMETHING I'M MISSING THERE? IS THERE SOME WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT THE REMAINING PIECE OF THE DEVELOPMENT HAS

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>> WILL TAKE THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND WE WILL IDENTIFY ON THERE. THERE ARE FIVE OR SIX DIFFERENT POINTS WITH THE DRIVE AND STREET CONNECTIONS ON THE EXISTING AREA OF GRAMERCY. WE WILL PICK THAT UP AGAIN. THAT IS GOOD FOR US TO BRING TO

COMMITTEE. >> THANKS.

>> THANK YOU, JEFF. I WANT TO ECHO JEFF'S COMMENT ABOUT THE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS. PARTICULARLY IN TOWNHOMES, SINCE IT LOOKS LIKE THERE MIGHT BE MORE THAN ONE BUILDER, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THOSE WELL DEFINED. SAME WITH THE LANDSCAPING. WE BROUGHT UP SOME OF THE BUILDINGS FROM RIGHT UP THE STREET, THAT IS GREAT. THERE MIGHT NOT BE STREET TREES. WE WANT TO GO THROUGH THOSE PIECES AS WELL JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION

MEMBERS? DO I HAVE A MOTION? >> MOVED TO SEND THIS TO THE COMMITTEE MEETING ON NOVEMBER 7TH.

>> ALL IN FAVOR OF SENDING THIS TO THE COMMITTEE FOR NOVEMBER

7TH? >> WHAT RESOLUTION AFTER THAT?

>> RETURNING HERE FOR THE FULL PLAN. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY

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>> GOOD EVENING. AS NOTED, I HAVE APPEARED BEFORE YOU. THE LAST TIME WAS APPROXIMATELY A YEAR AGO. THANK YOU. GIVING REFERENCE AGAIN FOR THE LOCATION, NORTH END, THE ADJACENT DEVELOPMENT IS NOTED HERE. AS YOU MOVE EAST ALONG SMOKY ROAD THIS INDICATES THE GARDEN. THIS IS THE SITE WHICH THE TWO WAIVERS THAT WE ARE REQUESTING THIS EVENING FOR REVIEW IN REGARD TO THE PARKING MATERIAL AND THE PARKING IN THE FLOODPLAIN ASKING THAT IT BE NOT THE GRASS PAVERS WE CAME BEFORE YOU WITH, INSTEAD, GRAVEL, REVIEWED BY THE FORMER CITY ENGINEER NOW CHIEF INFRASTRUCTURE OFFICER. AND ARE ENGINEERED, CHARLIE MADDOX WITH CROSSROAD ENGINEERS, NOTED THAT THE MATERIAL IS NOT CONDUCIVE TO ARC TIME AND WOULD NOT WORK WELL WITH REPEATED DRIVING OVER AND IF YOU RECALL, THE GREATEST NOTION FOR THIS IS THAT WE HAVE FIELD TRIPS ATTENDING AND IT IS NOT CONDUCIVE FOR SCHOOL BUS PARKING SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE AS WE LEARN ABOUT APPROPRIATE MATERIALS WHICH IS WHY WE ARE COMING BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING TO REQUEST THE ADDITIONAL WAIVER. THIS IS THE CURRENT BUILDOUT AND THE PARKING IS 14 SPACES AS DRAWN. AND THE UPDATED SITE PLAN SHOWS THE GRAVEL WITH A FRENCH DRAIN THAT REMAINS ON-SITE WITH INFILTRATION HERE OFF TO THE EAST.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IS THERE ANYBODY HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? I SEE NO ONE.I WILL NOW RETURN TO THE

DEPARTMENT FOR THEIR REPORT. >> THANK YOU. THE SITE AND

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THEY ALSO HAD A WAIVER TO ALLOW THE PARKING LOT IN THE FLOODPLAIN. THEY HAD AGREED TO USE THE PERMEABLE PAVEMENT SINCE THEY WERE ADDING A PARKING LOT AND A FLOODPLAIN.

THIS WOULD ALLOW THE WATER TO BE FILTERED AND INFILTRATED INTO THE GROUND INSTEAD OF RUNNING OFF INTO THE NEARBY CREEK. SINCE THE APPROVAL THEY HAVE WORKED WITH THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AND CHANGED THE PERMEABLE PAVEMENT TO A GRAVEL PARKING LOT WITH A FRENCH DRAIN SURROUNDING THE TWO SIDES THAT REBECCA SHOWED. THIS IS NOT WHAT WAS APPROVED WITH THE ORIGINAL WAIVER THAT IS WHY THEY ARE BACK BEFORE YOU TONIGHT REQUESTING A NEW WAIVER. FOR THE PARKING OF THE FLOODPLAIN WITHOUT PERMEABLE PAVEMENT AND ALSO BECAUSE IT IS GRAVEL, THAT IS TRIGGERING THE SECOND WAIVER THAT WE REQUIRE ASPHALT AND CONCRETE FOR OUR PARKING LOTS. THE FRENCH DRAIN AROUND THE EDGE SHOULD ALLOW SOME INFILTRATION AND THE PETITIONER BELIEVES THAT GRAVEL IS MORE DURABLE THAN GRASS PAVERS. WE WOULD RECOMMEND THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVED

THE ITEM THIS EVENING. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED. FIRST UP, JOSH?

>> MADAM CHAIR, I WILL LEAD WITH WHATEVER THE CITY ENGINEER SAYS AND THEN I MOVE THAT WE SUSPEND THE RULES AND PROCEDURES AND VOTE ON THIS IMMEDIATELY.

>> I SECOND THAT. >> BEFORE WE VOTE ON THAT, DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? A MOTION AND A SECOND TO SUSPEND THE RULES OF PROCEDURE. ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT, RULES OF PROCEDURE HAVE BEEN SUSPENDED.

>> MADAM VICE PRESIDENT, A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE

MOTION AS PRESENTED. >> SECOND MOTION? ADAM WILL SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED?

[Items I.1. - I.3.]

THE APPLICANT SEEKS APPROVAL FOR COMMITMENT AMENDMENTS AND TWO VARIANCES TO ALLOW A NEW 55+ AGE RESTRICTED HOUSING DEVELOPMENT. IT IS ZONED B 1 ON BEHALF OF STEVE PITTMAN AND JUSTICE COMPANIES. JOHN, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO YOU.

>> THANK YOU. WE REPRESENT THE JUSTICE COMMUNITIES AND THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM I WISH THEY WERE HERE TO ADDRESS QUESTIONS OF THE COMMITTEE. WE ARE IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION A MONTH AGO AND ATTENDED THE COMMITTEE MEETING ON OCTOBER 1ST. WE LEFT THE COMMITTEE MEETING WITH A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COMMITTEE WITH A FEW ITEMS THAT WE RETURNED BACK TO YOU WITH INFORMATION. THOSE WERE SUBMITTED TO STOP LAST THURSDAY. DUE TO SOME VACATIONS ON US NOT FOLLOWING ALONG CLOSELY, THEY WERE SUBMITTED TO THE COMMITTEE THIS AFTERNOON. I WILL READ WHAT THEY INCLUDED. WITHOUT GOING INTO GREATER DETAIL. OUTREACH THAT THE JUSTICE DID WITH ST. VINCENT IN TERMS OF PROVIDING THE ABILITY TO HAVE PARKING AT HOLIDAY TIMES IF THERE WAS A NEED. DETERMINING IF THERE WERE IDEAS ABOUT MORE ENVIRONMENTAL FRIENDLY DEVELOPMENT. THEY MET ON SITE TODAY. THERE WAS ALSO OTHER INFORMATION PROVIDED REGARDING INFORMATION ON ACTIVITIES AND WELLNESS. THIS IS WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION SHOULD'VE RECEIVED. ASSOCIATED WITH THE SAME. THERE IS A REQUEST TO REACH OUT TO THE PARKS DIRECTOR ABOUT WHAT INTERCONNECTIONS AND CONNECTIVITY WE CAN PROVIDE TO THEIR FACILITIES AND JUSTICE HAS REACHED OUT. REST ASSURED, WE WILL MAKE THAT CONTACT AND JUSTICE WILL BE BACK IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION WITH A DEVELOPMENT PLAN LATER THIS YEAR AND IF NOT, THE FIRST

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THS IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY OUTLINED IN YELLOW. COMPRISED OF THE THREE HOMES THAT YOU SEE IDENTIFIED THERE IN WHITE. IN THE ADJOINING AREA. WE WORKED IN A COLLABORATIVE MANNER WITH THEM TO ADDRESS THEIR CONCERNS ARE RESULTED IN THEIR COMMUNICATION TO YOU EARLIER TODAY. IN SUPPORT OF AND THINKING JUSTICE FOR THE ACTIONS THAT THEY UNDERTOOK AS WELL AS STEVE PITTMAN WORKING WITH THEM TO ADDRESS THEIR CONCERNS. FINALLY, THERE WERE SOME OUTSTANDING QUESTIONS THAT EVEN AROSE BEFORE THE COMMITTEE MEETING REGARDING PARKING. WHEN WE CAME TO THE COMMITTEE MEETING WE PREVIOUSLY HAD PROVIDED STAFF WITH A DOCUMENT THAT WAS PRESENTED IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION WITH RESEARCH. ASKED TO DO WITH YOU WHAT IS THE BEST PRACTICE FROM A PARKING PERSPECTIVE NATIONALLY, THEY DID THE RESEARCH AND PROVIDED IT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. THEY WERE ALSO ASKED TO PROVIDE INFORMATION REGARDING THEIR EXPERIENCE IN THE MARKETPLACE.

A LONG-STANDING MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY THAT PROVIDES THIS TYPE OF HOUSING WITHIN NOT ONLY CARMEL AND OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT ARE ADJACENT. THEIR EXPERIENCE IN OTHER COMMUNITIES RANGED BETWEEN A 1.08 PARKING SPACES PER DWELLING AND THE 1.3 FIGURE IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THEY ARE ASKING FOR IN THE SITUATION REGARDING THAT. THAT SPEAKS TO WHAT THEIR EXPERIENCE IS WITHIN CARMEL. INFORMATION THEY PROVIDED RELATIVE TO BEST PRACTICES WAS .75 TO 1.3 IN TERMS OF THE PARKING RATIO FOR THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT. THEY ARE AT THE VERY HIGH END OF THAT SITUATION IN TERMS OF THE INDUSTRY STANDARD. ADDITIONALLY WHEN WE FIRST SAT DOWN WITH STAFF, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS USE CATEGORY THAT WAS PART OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE FOR 40 YEARS.

HERE IS EVERYTHING THAT IS LUMPED INTO THAT CATEGORY. 15 YEARS AGO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND COUNCIL ADOPTED STANDARDS TO CONTINUE THE RETIREMENT COMMUNITY. WITHIN THAT, THERE IS A SEPARATE BREAKDOWN FOR PARKING STANDARDS. THE PARKING STANDARD FOR IN THE INDEPENDENT UNIT LIVING IS ONE PARKING SPACE PER DWELLING. YOU WOULD BE APPLYING A STANDARD IN YOUR ORDINANCE TODAY THAT WILL REQUIRE ONE PARKING SPACE PER DWELLING UNIT. THIS IS BECAUSE OF THE SITUATION THAT SPEAKS TO THIS USE IN TERMS OF BEDS. A COUPLE COULD HAVE MORE THAN ONE BED IN THE DWELLING UNIT. BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE STANDARD WAS SET UP, THERE HAS TO BE TWO BEDS WHICH WILL BE APPLICABLE TO THIS END IS REALLY NOT AN APPROPRIATE STANDARD IN THE INDEPENDENT LIVING TYPE OF SITUATION. NOT A NURSING FACILITY OR ASSISTED LIVING. WE ARE AT ONE END OF THE SPECTRUM IN TERMS OF PARKING WHERE THE ORDINANCE ALLOWS 1.3. FINALLY, IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE HAVE DONE RESEARCH ON OTHER PROJECTS IN THE PAST. THEY ARE NOT AGE RESTRICTED, THEY ARE COMMUNITIES ALONG ILLINOIS STREET AND THE PARKING THERE IS 1.4 AND 1.6 WITH AN AVERAGE OF 1.54 PARKING SPACES PER DWELLING UNIT. WHILE THE CITY HAS NOT UNDERTAKEN A PROCESS BY WHICH IT HAS DONE A COMMUNITYWIDE SURVEY TO DETERMINE IF WE SHOULD REDUCE THE COUNT FROM TWO PARKING SPACES PER DWELLING, OBVIOUSLY, THERE IS EVIDENCE THAT DIFFERENT PROJECTS HAVE PROVIDED INFORMATION THAT LED STAFF TO A RECOMMENDATION OF SUPPORT AT A REDUCED COUNT. WE ARE AGE RESTRICTED. AT ONE .5 INDUSTRY STANDARDS. WE ARE ASKING FOR A CONSIDERATION OF ROUGHLY 1.3 FOUR THE PARKING RATIO COUNT. THAT WAS THE ONE UPSTANDING ISSUE THAT WE FELT WAS NOT NECESSARILY OUTSTANDING BUT THERE WERE A COUPLE OF MEMBERS PRESENT TONIGHT THAT WERE AT THAT MEETING. WE WANTED TO GET THAT BACK OUT IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY. WITH SUPPORT OF YOUR DECISION. WITH THAT, I WILL CONCLUDE AND I WILL BE HAPPY TO ADDRESS QUESTIONS. WE

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>> BEFORE I DO THE DEPARTMENT REPORT, WOULD YOU GIVE THE

COMMITTEE REPORT? >> I WILL TURN TO THE

DEPARTMENT REPORT. >> THANK YOU. THE PETITIONER HAS ADDRESSED ALL OF THE OUTSTANDING COMMENTS. WE ARE IN SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT. BASED ON THE TRAFFIC STUDY, WE ARE COMFORTABLE WITH THIS CHANGE OF USE FROM AN OFFICE BUILDING TO A RESIDENTIAL BUILDING. THE GENERATION COMPARISON SHOWS THAT THE PROJECT WILL PRODUCE FEWER TRIPS IN AND OUT OF THE SITE DURING A.M. AND P.M. DURING PEAK TRAFFIC HOURS. THE OFFICE BUILDING WOULD'VE PRODUCED ABOUT 140 TRIPS BOTH IN THE A.M. AND P.M. AND THE APARTMENTS PRODUCE ONLY 33 IN THE A.M. AND 42 IN THE P.M. THAT IS A BIG DIFFERENCE.

PARKING HAS BEEN A CONCERN AS JOHN BROUGHT UP, DURING THE PROCESS, I DID PREPARE A QUICK CHART OF SOME OTHER APARTMENT PRODUCTS IN THE COMMUNITY. YEAH. THAT SHOWS THAT THE AVERAGE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE REDEVELOPMENT PROJECTS, IT IS ABOUT 1.69 SPACES PER UNIT. IF YOU INCLUDE THE MORE RECENT PROJECTS IT AVERAGES 1.66. THOSE ARE MOSTLY -- THOSE ARE NOT 55+. THOSE ARE JUST MARKET RATE APARTMENT PROJECTS. THE BUFFER PRESERVATION ALONG THE WEST AND SOUTH AND THE LOCATION OF THE BUILDING CLOSER TO ILLINOIS STREET SETBACK FROM THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES AND DESIGN FROM THE BUILDING WILL ALL HELP MAKE THIS A GOOD PROJECT THAT WILL BE APPROPRIATE AT THIS CORNER OF ILLINOIS AND 106TH STREET. WE WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL TONIGHT OF THE COMMITMENT AMENDMENT AND THE VARIANCES KNOWING THAT THE PROJECT WILL COME BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THE DETAILED SITE PLAN AND BUILDING DESIGN APPROVAL. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY COMMENTS FROM THE PLANNING

COMMISSION MEMBERS? >> I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR. I AM IN FAVOR OF MOVING FROM BUSINESS TO RESIDENTIAL. IN FAVOR OF THESE THREE DOCKET ITEMS. IT LEAVES A NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES STILL NEGOTIABLE. YES OR NO?

>> NO. JOHN, DO YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THE PARKING SPACES? WE HAVE SETTLED ON IT. DO YOU WANT TO REPEAT YOUR QUESTION?

>> IF WE APPROVE THESE TONIGHT, IS THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES

STILL NEGOTIABLE? >> YOU WILL HAVE TO MEET THE MINIMUM NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES, WE CAN PROVIDE MORE IF WE FOUND IT WAS NECESSARY OR AVAILABLE IN THE SITE PLAN.

>> WE WILL APPROVE THE ZONING CHANGES TONIGHT. AND FOR THE RECORD, I WILL MAKE IT KNOWN THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE 1.3 B

HIGHER. >> UNDERSTOOD. ANY OTHER --

YES, ADAM. >> WOODLAND TERRACE ALSO IS PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, CORRECT? WITH THE PARKING SPACE AGREEMENT BEING 9.4. DID WE GET MUCH NEGATIVE FEEDBACK IN TERMS OF PARKING FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT? DO WE KNOW?

ENGINEERING? ANYONE? >> I CAN SPEAK ON IT. IF THERE IS ANY KIND OF EVENT, THEY HOST EVENTS AND FUNCTIONS TO BRING THE COMMUNITY IN. THEY ARE SHORT ON PARKING. I CANNOT

SPEAK ON THAT TODAY. >> MAYBE THE JUSTICE CAN SPEAK TO HOW THE PARKING IS WORKING OUT I WOODLAND. IS IT

SUFFICIENT PARKING? >> GOOD EVENING. TO ADDRESS YOUR QUESTION ON WOODLAND TERRACE AT CARMEL, THAT IS A 186 UNIT BUILDING. IT ALSO MAINTAINED A STAFF OF 100

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>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT I APPRECIATE THE GOOD FAITH BETWEEN THE PARKS DIRECTOR AND THE TRAILS AROUND THE ACTUAL COMPLEX ITSELF. IT IS BETTER TO KEEP SENIORS ACTIVE. SINCE I AM IN THAT AGE GROUP, I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT MYSELF.

>> ANY OTHER -- >> YOU MAKE A GOOD POINT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE NUMBER OF STAFF THAT YOU NEED I WOODLAND TERRACE. SINCE THIS IS JUST STRAIGHT APARTMENTS, WOULDN'T IT BE MORE APPROPRIATE TO MATCH WHAT THE CITY HAS WITH THE OTHER TO COMPARE IT TO WOODLAND TERRACE, WOULDN'T YOU AGREE? THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT IN ASSISTED LIVING AND NOT IN NURSING. THEY ARE LIVING INDEPENDENTLY. YOU BROUGHT IT UP, THE YOU DL . THESE ARE STRICTLY APARTMENTS BEING PART

OF THE CCR CRITICAL -- >> THE 1.3 RATIO AND RESPECTIVELY I THINK THAT WE ARE GETTING CLOSER TO THE AVERAGE FOR A NON- AGE RESTRICTED COMMUNITY IF WE WERE AT 9.4 PARKING SPACES WHICH THEY WOULD NOT PROPOSE. IT WOULD NOT MEET THEIR NEEDS AND THEIR EXPERIENCE IS THE INDUSTRY STANDARD. I THINK WE ARE ASKING FOR THE REDUCTION OF PARKING SPACES THAT WE ARE. WE ARE BEING RESPECTABLE TO THE BEST PRACTICES PROVIDING PARKING.

>> INDEPENDENT LIVING AS LONG AS IT IS AGE RESTRICTED FALLS UNDER THAT CATEGORY? THAT IS THE PART I AM STRUGGLING WITH.

IT IS NOT A CONTINUING CARE FACILITY. I'M NOT SAYING THAT EVEN MATTERS HERE. PARKING OUGHT TO BE COMPARED TO APARTMENTS IN THAT TYPE OF INSTITUTION. THAT'S ALL.

>> WHEN WE LOOKED AT IT, WE DO NOT HAVE AN INDEPENDENT OR 55+ SPECIFIC CATEGORY. JOHN HAD MENTIONED EARLIER WE DO HAVE THE CONTINUING CARE COMMUNITY PARKING REQUIREMENTS AND THAT DOES BREAK IT OUT TO ONE SPACE PER INDEPENDENT LIVING UNIT REQUIRED. AND THEN IT GOES ON. THIS WAS CLASSIFIED UNDER THE THREE LEVELS OF CARE. CLASSIFIED UNDER THE NURSING RETIREMENT CONVALESCENT FACILITY. IN THAT DEFINITION, THAT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST AS JOHN STATED, USES, BEFORE WE HAD THE CRC CATEGORY. ONE OF THE CATEGORIES IS SWEETS FOR THE ELDERLY. THAT IS ONE SPACE PER BED AND ONE SPACE PER EMPLOYEE. IF IT WERE MULTI FAMILY APARTMENTS, IT IS ONE SPACE PER DWELLING UNIT. BECAUSE IT IS UNDER THE NURSING RETIREMENT FACILITY, THE VARIANCE IS ONE SPACE PER BED

AND ONE PER EMPLOYEE. >> THE SECTION THAT STAFF IS REFERRING TO UNDER PARKING STANDARDS, IF IT WAS CLASSIFIED AS HIGH-END, ONE SPACE PER INDEPENDENT LIVING UNIT AND THAT IS AT THE HIGH-END. ONE PER DWELLING UNIT IS AT THE HIGH END FOR THAT PARTICULAR USE AND IT IS NOT BROKEN DOWN UNDER THE DEFINITION OF NURSING RETIREMENT WHICH IF IT WAS, IT WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH OTHER SECTIONS WHICH WE HAVE HERE.

>> WITH REGARDS TO PARKING, YOU KNOW YOUR BUSINESS, YOU FEEL LIKE THIS IS SUFFICIENT FOR WHAT YOU WILL BE OPERATING? IS

WHAT I'M HEARING. >> YES.

>> GO AHEAD, JEFF. >> MADAME VICE PRESIDENT, I WAS

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>> I ECHO EVERYTHING THAT JEFF JUST SAID.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION REAL QUICK. ON THE WALL YOU ARE BUILDING, YOU DID NOT MOVE INTO INTERIOR, YOU LEFT IT OUTSIDE.

IS THAT WHERE WAS LEFT? >> THE IMAGE ON THE DIAGRAM DID NOT CHANGE. THE FINAL LOCATION WILL BE DETERMINED WITH INPUT FROM THE URBAN FOREST DEPARTMENT WITH COMMITMENT ON THE EXACT LOCATION SO WE CAN AVOID THE TREES THAT HE BELIEVES TO BE THE NEEDED TREES THAT ARE AVOIDED.

>> IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE WILL WEIGH IN? I DO NOT WANT TO BLOCK ALL OF THE BEAUTIFUL TREES.

>> THERE WILL BE A PLAN THAT SHOWS THE EXACT LOCATION.

>> OKAY. THE OUTSTANDING ISSUE IS DECIDING ON THE COLOR? IS THAT IT? YES, COUNSELOR MINARD.

>> WHAT ABOUT PUTTING IN A LITTLE COFFEE SHOP? I'M JUST CURIOUS. IS THAT SOMETHING YOU WOULD CONSIDER? A TINY LITTLE

COFFEE SHOP. >> YOU THREW ME FOR A LOOP. I WANT TO LOOK IF WE HAVE AUTHORIZATION TO USE THAT AS A PERMITTED USE. WE HAVE TO COME BACK AND SEEK THE PLANNING COMMISSION AUTHORIZATION AGAIN. JIM WILL GIVE ME AN ANSWER.

>> THANK YOU, JIM. >> CAFETERIA, COFFEE, OR SANDWICH SHOP IS AN AUTHORIZED ACCESSORY USE THAT CAN BE IN

THE 6000 SQUARE FEET. >> I DON'T KNOW, IF I WAS LIVING THERE, LITTLE PLACE TO GO AND GRAB A CUP OF COFFEE, I DON'T KNOW, JUST A THOUGHT. SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.

>> THANK YOU. >> YOU ARE WELCOME.

>> YES, DEBBIE? >> I WOULD LIKE A PLACE TO

PARK. >> WE CAN PUT UP A SIGN.

>> RESERVE SPOT. I AM MOVE APPROVAL OF THE THREE DOCKET ITEMS AS PREVIOUSLY READ BY THE CHAIR.

>> I SECOND. >> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED TO HEARING NONE. CONGRATULATIONS, THIS HAS BEEN APPROVED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE HAVE

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